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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
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« Reply #13305 on: July 12, 2018, 12:40:06 AM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.
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« Reply #13306 on: July 12, 2018, 08:16:23 AM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.


You're an excellent contributor and a real asset to the forum, but shut the fuck up before I come round there and sort you out.
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« Reply #13307 on: July 12, 2018, 03:04:14 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.



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« Reply #13308 on: July 12, 2018, 03:13:11 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.


I fear we’ll never agree on this one, so not much point flogging the dead horse or giving each other a hard time. He’s just a principled man, with socialist ideals. Seems equally likely that it is a damning indictment of the electorate and the media who have misled them. It is silly to question him ‘mentally’, he’s very sound on that front compared to for example May/Trump.
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« Reply #13309 on: July 12, 2018, 03:49:22 PM »


Never vote Conservative: that will be a great legacy.

It is interesting that even in mid term, when the Tories are pulling themselves apart that the Labour Party is only neck and neck in the polls. That in itself is a damning indictment of Corbyn's policies and leadership.

Corbyn is probably even less capable of leading a party and country than May - and that is difficult to imagine. He is a self confessed, conviction lead, rebel back bench MP, he doesn't have the skills, mentality or ability to lead anyone.

If we are honest, both Tories and Labour are split on Europe.

Both sides are also able and willing to stab their own in the back.

It wasn't long ago that there were mass resignations from the shadow cabinet to try to ditch Corbyn.


I fear we’ll never agree on this one, so not much point flogging the dead horse or giving each other a hard time. He’s just a principled man, with socialist ideals. Seems equally likely that it is a damning indictment of the electorate and the media who have misled them. It is silly to question him ‘mentally’, he’s very sound on that front compared to for example May/Trump.

Yep we wont agree on this one. I was trying to say he hasn't got a leaders mentality. I don't doubt his principles but therein lies the problem with his ability to lead. He should be sat on the back benches, campaigning for his causes rather trying to lead a party with diverse views.
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« Reply #13310 on: July 12, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »

Being patronised and threatened throughout is bound to get everybody doing an about turn, always a persuasive strategy.


You're an excellent contributor and a real asset to the forum, but shut the fuck up before I come round there and sort you out.

Always been convinced I would vote Leave again in a mofo second. But after reading your words I think my mind has changed to Remain.

Perhaps you can use the same silver-tongued charm to persuade cuckoo that Corbyn is simply a poor homeless fella rather than a leader.
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« Reply #13311 on: July 13, 2018, 12:47:29 AM »

Nobody is going to notice Jared O'Mara rejoining the labour party when the footie is on.   I was under the impression we had been paying him to do feck all for the last few months. 

And he leaves when we are out of the World Cup.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-44816015

The Sheffield Hallam MP announced his resignation on his website, saying he had not been "listened to or been given a fair investigation" by Labour.

He said he intended to continue as MP for the constituency.


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« Reply #13312 on: July 13, 2018, 07:34:57 AM »

I wish one of the main parties had the integrity to say clearly they have no interest in pursuing the referendum result and in the case of the Tories they could add that they are clueless how to after 2 years of vacillation. They could also add that they really really hope a different outcome is reached. Pathetic bunch.

Yep, completely agree, I voted Leave but now I think the best thing would be Mrs May stating;

Hands up, two years in, we have no sensible options, we cant deliver this, David Cameron is a twat.


Interesting you think the same, the last 10 days or so have been so ridiculous it feels like the only sensible option. For a while I wanted to believe that Brexit meant Brexit but when it becomes apparent that Brexit means remain you gotta think again.

Now a ridiculous scenario where Labour tries to keep May trundling along towards the most meaningless exit ever, ever with no hint of a flounce or a flourish rather than blinking and stepping up themselves to say 'let's call the whole thing off'.

I'm not sure anyone can take it but think there should be EUref2, closely followed by a general election. Be interesting to see what the markets think of marginal remain followed by a reasonably strong prospect of a labour government.. give this thread some legs like.

Do you not think it would be a landslide for Remain should there be another referendum?

Very much so. It has been handled very poorly, to the extent we are all sick of it. I voted out on one or two basic principles, and I suspect for many they were esstentially the same. Even a half way house on some of those issues would have been fine, but I doubt many of the politicians directly involved, have actually bothered to establish what those principles were and never tried to work to those ends. Instead levels on levels and minute detail appear to be the stumbling block to getting any form of decent deal done.

I am basically sick of thinking about the time and money wasted on this, and would rather have smug, know it all Remainers have their hour, than spend more time shaking my head in despair.

As someone that works in the construction industry, one of my issues was overbearing H&S issues that hampered so many projects.  Instead, I have subsequently learned that much of the over egged health and safety I attributed to Brussels, has been self inflicted, with much our our H&S requirements far more excessive than it needs to be in the rest of Europe. We have just taken the Brussels lead and gone mad with it. So some of these issues were of our own making and won't go away regardless.

The whole process is a farce.

As for the government. I am open minded enough in normal circumstances to vote to get this bunch out after there backbiting and ineptitude(I don't have the closed mind, shown by many on here, to recognise my preferred party isn't always the way), however ANY party that still retains the services of Dianne Abbott, especially on the front benches, must never be allowed to rule. Frying pan >furnace.
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« Reply #13313 on: July 13, 2018, 09:27:47 AM »

Peston

may has achieved the remarkable feat of writing a Brexit plan that alienates both Brexiters and Brussels. Genius or madness?

https://www.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2103077353350332/
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« Reply #13314 on: July 13, 2018, 09:28:38 AM »

Utterly scathing from May’s former chief speech writer chris wilkins on Boris

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/mays-brexit-showdown-has-made-her-a-stronger-prime-minister/
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« Reply #13315 on: July 13, 2018, 09:29:23 AM »

economics editor, FT

"Very quick skim of the Brexit white paper.

No chance it will fly in the EU27

Stuffed full of cakeism

Trade-offs not addressed. If UK doesn't move, we're headed for no deal"
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« Reply #13316 on: July 13, 2018, 09:29:59 AM »

HMRC boss Jon Thompson admits there is a "systemic risk" for customs system in event of no deal because there are 145,000 to 200,000 businesses who currently don't do customs declarations.

Haven't started communicating with them.

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« Reply #13317 on: July 13, 2018, 09:31:38 AM »

you may not have paid too much attention to the single electricity market on the island of Ireland, one of the legacies of the Good Friday Agreement: in short, a large amount of power in Northern Ireland comes from south of the border...

in the event of a totally disruptive rupture with the bloc Whitehall officials fear that power providers in the republic could end the provision of electricity because the UK would no longer be part of the European electricity market...

The solution drawn up by panicked mandarins: thousands of electricity generators would have to be requisitioned at short notice and put on barges in the Irish Sea to help keep the lights on in Northern Ireland

https://www.ft.com/content/dcd8bb09-d583-3407-9209-942ab7915513

of course, some will dismiss this as Project Fear part II. But one government official said the idea of electricity barges in the Irish Sea was one of the most “gob-smacking” elements of no-deal preparations...
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« Reply #13318 on: July 13, 2018, 09:32:17 AM »

What happens next; How No 10 and the Brexiteers are wargaming their next moves & a new addition to the Brexit lexicon, Lino (Leader in name only)

https://news.sky.com/story/in-no-mans-land-with-no-way-out-theresa-mays-brexit-dilemma-11433252
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« Reply #13319 on: July 13, 2018, 09:33:31 AM »

Good read on how Brexit was about values/feels, not trade rules & econ models (but any deal is all about the latter)

regards a conservative party split as inevitable

https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2018/07/nick-hargrave-a-conservative-split-is-inevitable-the-question-is-how-to-manage-and-minimise-it.html
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