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Title: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
Yes another Diary is going to be started, and yes to all the diary haters its going in "The Rail"!
I know most people have started their's on Jan 1st but i have been mulling over whether to do one or not as maybe i'm not as well known as some on here but hey ho.

I thought that with Cos never updating and Vinny now being loved up there was room for one more diary on blonde and hopefully it will be an interactive diary so feel free to comment on anything within.

So why start a Diary?
Well i would like to think I have had a fairly interesting life good and bad and have dug myself out of quite a few holes along the way and maybe some people will read bits of my life and relate it to their own. I also wanted to hold an open diary related to the property industry which I work in as a Manager of an Estate Agent in Essex and have done for 10 years now and am willing to answer any questions along the way or try to help out where I can whether that be advice or even putting people in touch with others in my industry that can help with house selling/buying, mortgages, insurance etc (not a spam) but if someones stuck i will try to help out.
Obviously i will also be updating my diary on my poker exploits which currently consist of playing the DTD300 probably 7months per year, Lutons Friday 100 on average once per month (when Vinny can be bothered to drag himself away from his new burd), maybe 2-3 Ukipts per year and my most recent adventure where having seen Pleno's staking thread  (BITB) i didnt really want staking but was happy to take some advice and have someone to work with on my online mtt game in exchange for a % share of my nett profit per month playing small stakes 10-40 euro tourneys.
This is prob my favourite bit of poker atm as i have never really enjoyed playing online till this year and so far it has gone really well but i am prepared to embrace the variance as last month i only managed a really small sample of 150mtts over a 20night period but considering i work and have a 5month old baby and wife to consider as well as my poker trips didnt think it was so bad!!!
Anyway thats long enough for my first post so feel free to flame away but also to post any questions or comments along the way as i go through my story.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 02:06:03 PM
Ps thx to Cambridge Alex for my title having sat with him and Stato in the cash game at DTD yesterday, personally i would have thought that with Stato being a "Countdown Champion" he would have come up with a title but alas it was the current "Monte Carlo" Champion who came up with the goods.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 15, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
Wiiiiiiiii.

Def got potential to do really well, done ridicuously well in your short online career so far and def think tournaments are 100% for you.

Hope Edinburgh was fun and now you have time to put some serious grinding in. Speak soon!

Lots of old school degen stories pls.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Skippy on August 15, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
Ah, so it's true. Thought you were levelling yesterday when you sat next to me.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 15, 2011, 02:20:58 PM
Ps thx to Cambridge Alex for my title having sat with him and Stato in the cash game at DTD yesterday, personally i would have thought that with Stato being a "Countdown Champion" he would have come up with a title but alas it was the current "Monte Carlo" Champion who came up with the goods.

Pleeeease! I told you yesterday how I feel about this kind of thing!

Gl with this, will be an avid reader.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on August 15, 2011, 02:23:15 PM

We need to know about your alias, (A-K = Eso Kral in Lithuania?), & how the babby is coming along, what make it is, & it's name.

Then you may begin.

Should be an excellent read, Sir, you have always struck me as someone who writes with some eloquence.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
(http://www.thesite.org/content/2/c4/07/16/diaries-more.gif) ftw, IMO


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 02:31:49 PM
The Life of an Estate Agent is always interesting!!

Ok today i arrive back in the office having been off since Weds to go and play the side event on Thursday and Main event Friday at Edinburgh
[ ] went well as i finshed 25th in the side event and bust the main shipping my 12 bigs with  Aspades 5s from the C/o and the button wakes up to  Ad Qd  gg me so instead of staying up north i headed to DTD to try and get a seat in the Grand prix (will post on this later in PHA)

1st phone call of the morning is a buyer who offered full asking price (you have to worry when they do this in a recession) on saturday only to pull out today    gg £8000 fee for the office
2nd phone call is the next door neighbour of an empty property we have sold saying she saw a man in the property and as its supposed to be a vacant probate sale can i go and have a look  :o so having told one of my colleagues to stay by his phone in case there is someone there i venture down to this £450000 empty derilict house and enter immediately seeing a rucksack in the back room and as i call out for anyone in to come out hear footsteps upstairs FML, down the stairs comes a foreign 6ft2" vagrant with a laptop under his arm lol i say im gonna have to ask you to leaveand btw how did you get in to which he replies in an eastern european accent "through the window".
Luckily (for him) he quietly packs up his stuff and heads for the front door shutting it behind him leaving behind his claw hammer placed by his rucksack (lucky escape?)

Just an average day so far!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 02:33:24 PM

We need to know about your alias, (A-K = Eso Kral in Lithuania?), & how the babby is coming along, what make it is, & it's name.

Then you may begin.

Should be an excellent read, Sir, you have always struck me as someone who writes with some eloquence.
Ok will post from the start about me later on when im home just for you Tikka!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2011, 02:39:52 PM
tl;dr

And please don't use that great story I told you about degeneracy and the Chinese mafia, in a pathetic attempt to pass it off as your own story.

Thanks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 02:49:40 PM
Ps thx to Cambridge Alex for my title having sat with him and Stato in the cash game at DTD yesterday, personally i would have thought that with Stato being a "Countdown Champion" he would have come up with a title but alas it was the current "Monte Carlo" Champion who came up with the goods.

Pleeeease! I told you yesterday how I feel about this kind of thing!

Gl with this, will be an avid reader.
@Poshboy   ok ok you win - nice I-pad though  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: titaniumbean on August 15, 2011, 02:52:59 PM
Finally a proper diary  ;angel;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2011, 03:43:32 PM
Chances of going busto by crimbo?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 15, 2011, 03:49:40 PM
Yes another Diary is going to be started, and yes to all the diary haters its going in "The Rail"!
I know most people have started their's on Jan 1st but i have been mulling over whether to do one or not as maybe i'm not as well known as some on here but hey ho.

I thought that with Cos never updating and Vinny now being loved up there was room for one more diary on blonde and hopefully it will be an interactive diary so feel free to comment on anything within.

So why start a Diary?
Well i would like to think I have had a fairly interesting life good and bad and have dug myself out of quite a few holes along the way and maybe some people will read bits of my life and relate it to their own. I also wanted to hold an open diary related to the property industry which I work in as a Manager of an Estate Agent in Essex and have done for 10 years now and am willing to answer any questions along the way or try to help out where I can whether that be advice or even putting people in touch with others in my industry that can help with house selling/buying, mortgages, insurance etc (not a spam) but if someones stuck i will try to help out.
Obviously i will also be updating my diary on my poker exploits which currently consist of playing the DTD300 probably 7months per year, Lutons Friday 100 on average once per month (when Vinny can be bothered to drag himself away from his new burd), maybe 2-3 Ukipts per year and my most recent adventure where having seen Pleno's staking thread  (BITB) i didnt really want staking but was happy to take some advice and have someone to work with on my online mtt game in exchange for a % share of my nett profit per month playing small stakes 10-40 euro tourneys.
This is prob my favourite bit of poker atm as i have never really enjoyed playing online till this year and so far it has gone really well but i am prepared to embrace the variance as last month i only managed a really small sample of 150mtts over a 20night period but considering i work and have a 5month old baby and wife to consider as well as my poker trips didnt think it was so bad!!!
Anyway thats long enough for my first post so feel free to flame away but also to post any questions or comments along the way as i go through my story.

Please paragraph better in future posts. Kthnxbye


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
Chances of going busto by crimbo?
No danger of that on here you need to look at Alex or Cos's diaries for that type of degeneracy!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2011, 04:08:08 PM
Chances of going busto by crimbo?
No danger of that on here you need to look at Alex or Cos's diaries for that type of degeneracy!

Sigh, get a roulette addiction imo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2011, 04:13:39 PM
Sold many houses in the last 45 mins?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 04:43:35 PM
Sold many houses in the last 45 mins?
As i said in my op i am currently an ESTATE AGENT we dont sell many houses in 45 days!  >:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 15, 2011, 04:46:26 PM
Where do you do housing stuff? Just in the UK?

Where do you think is a good place to invest atm?

Where you going to be living in 1/5/15 years?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2011, 04:47:43 PM
I have a legit question. In January my tenants have been living in my house for a year. I currently employ a house manager who i pay 8% pcm to sort out all the stuff i can't be bothered with, who decides if I can up their rent up or not? are there many hoops to jump through?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 05:30:23 PM
Where do you do housing stuff? Just in the UK?
I manage an office on the coast just by Southend 15miles east of London in a town called Thorpe Bay, yeah just UK the overseas market died a death when all the people in Essex could not remortgage their ex-council house in Dagenham (or Dargeenham as they like to say) to buy a place in spain  
Where do you think is a good place to invest atm?
IMO Eastern Europe is probably one of the best in the smaller countries that have more growth potential or you just need to be on the right side of a good estate agent who can let you know if a nice deal comes up and can tip you the wink  ;)
Where you going to be living in 1/5/15 years?
1year i will be in my nice house in Leigh on Sea / 5 years probs still in UK or dependant on how our property investments have done maybe Slovakia / 15 Years i plan to have retired and will be either living off our porfolio and spending time abroad with a base in my wife's homeland of Slovakia which actually has great potential but they dont really get the buying and selling bit they tend to pass the houses through the family.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
I have a legit question. In January my tenants have been living in my house for a year. I currently employ a house manager who i pay 8% pcm to sort out all the stuff i can't be bothered with, who decides if I can up their rent up or not? are there many hoops to jump through?
Firstly i would try to neg the house manager down a bit and say you have been offered similar services for 5% which is fairly standard in my area and it is up to you at the end of the agreement to decide if you would like to up your rental.
The best thing to do would be to ring 2-3 different letting agents and tell them your a landlord and ask them what their most popular request for property is from prospective tenants if this is what you have   whoop whoop also get them round to value the property for rental and then if your under renting it when you resign your exisiting tenant tell them you need to up the rent a bit to cover costs etc etc. However what you need to remember is that if they call you bluff and say GTFO were leaving you may have asked them for an extra £50 per calendar month and if you dont have a tenant ready to move in two months of it empty is about a year of that extra nifty you were asking for so its a gamble.
I would say if your mortgage is fixed for a period of time and they are GOOD tenants this is worth more than the extra 50 minus 8% netting 46 but thats just my opinion and what we do with our tenants.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
Ah, so it's true. Thought you were levelling yesterday when you sat next to me.
Hi DAVID   I never Level  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 15, 2011, 05:54:22 PM
age ?..real name? did we sit same table Monte Carlo day one?

oh and good read so far looking forward to this..

oh and do you wanna buy a house in Leicester i wanna sell?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 05:59:45 PM
age ?..real name? did we sit same table Monte Carlo day one?

oh and good read so far looking forward to this..

oh and do you wanna buy a house in Leicester i wanna sell?
Hi,  we know each other and spoke this weekend at DTD when you binked your seat but didnt sit together at the monte carlo.
My real name is Richard Blacklock we spoke at the bar and i introduced myself to you when you had said it would be good for all blondes to say hi.
A house in Leicester yeah sounds good i can probs put that one on the credit card  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 15, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
age ?..real name? did we sit same table Monte Carlo day one?

oh and good read so far looking forward to this..

oh and do you wanna buy a house in Leicester i wanna sell?
Hi,  we know each other and spoke this weekend at DTD when you binked your seat but didnt sit together at the monte carlo.
My real name is Richard Blacklock we spoke at the bar and i introduced myself to you when you had said it would be good for all blondes to say hi.
A house in Leicester yeah sounds good i can probs put that one on the credit card  :D
mate so sorry
i am so so bad with names and faces .....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 15, 2011, 06:41:42 PM
I have a legit question. In January my tenants have been living in my house for a year. I currently employ a house manager who i pay 8% pcm to sort out all the stuff i can't be bothered with, who decides if I can up their rent up or not? are there many hoops to jump through?
.

which managing agent do u use??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 15, 2011, 06:46:37 PM
hello rich

just a few Qs about property as i am trying to force my mum to rent our home out and buy another property


do you think its the best time to invest in property atm?

also which type of property (students, professionals, lower class, family etc etc) is the best to invest in considering you dont have a huge amount of capital atm 10k>? or is it better to save up for a better deposit?

if you had 30k to invest in property would you
get one ok house 180k( average price around lincoln for 4 bed house)
or two 90k houses





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 15, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
As I've mentioned before I bought a house with two people, it didn't go well and I moved out after a month and didn't want anything more to do with it, they continue to pay it however have missed multiple payments, I can't get off the mortgage as they would have to remortgage it and no bank would touch it, I also had problems as I foolisly had direct debits in my name which I cancelled but then just paid them all off so with all that my credit rating is smashed. Anyway, as you know I now grinds the poker and thus have no proof of income, so with all that said I'm pretty much fooked yeah :) How tough will it be for me to even rent a property do you think ? I know you can't run a business from a rented property but I assume there's obv a way around this as far as pokers concerned as obv some ppl must.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on August 15, 2011, 07:10:45 PM
About time Rich. Bookmarked.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:20:56 PM
age ?..real name? did we sit same table Monte Carlo day one?

oh and good read so far looking forward to this..

oh and do you wanna buy a house in Leicester i wanna sell?
Hi,  we know each other and spoke this weekend at DTD when you binked your seat but didnt sit together at the monte carlo.
My real name is Richard Blacklock we spoke at the bar and i introduced myself to you when you had said it would be good for all blondes to say hi.
A house in Leicester yeah sounds good i can probs put that one on the credit card  :D
mate so sorry
i am so so bad with names and faces .....
No problems bud


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 15, 2011, 08:23:57 PM
grinding tonight?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 15, 2011, 08:29:52 PM
age ?..real name? did we sit same table Monte Carlo day one?

oh and good read so far looking forward to this..

oh and do you wanna buy a house in Leicester i wanna sell?
Hi,  we know each other and spoke this weekend at DTD when you binked your seat but didnt sit together at the monte carlo.
My real name is Richard Blacklock we spoke at the bar and i introduced myself to you when you had said it would be good for all blondes to say hi.
A house in Leicester yeah sounds good i can probs put that one on the credit card  :D
mate so sorry
i am so so bad with names and faces .....
No problems bud
next time you see me slap me on my bal head and say its meee.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:33:37 PM
hello rich

just a few Qs about property as i am trying to force my mum to rent our home out and buy another property

Hi Paul


do you think its the best time to invest in property atm?
Well a deal is a deal whenever you buy it so if its at the right price its not a bad time to invest but i would be doing my research to make sure im not paying over the odds, with all the uncertainty in the markets its still price sensitive.  

also which type of property (students, professionals, lower class, family etc etc) is the best to invest in considering you dont have a huge amount of capital atm 10k>? or is it better to save up for a better deposit?
The bigger the deposit the better the rate you will get from the lender its amazing the difference can be from 10  - 15% so i would work out the difference and  probs save it as the market is unlikely to move upwards at the moment so you dont risk losing money or the gap getting wider by waiting   eg you save an extra 10k and in that time the property you were looking to buy rises by 8% and was worth 160k so you saved 10k but have to pay an extra £12800 more so your actually 2800 worse off.

if you had 30k to invest in property would you
get one ok house 180k( average price around lincoln for 4 bed house)
or two 90k houses
I would buy 2 houses as if your looking long term ie 5-10 years then if the market jumps you have 2 lots of jumps plus you have to be running really bad if you bought 2 bad props that you cant rent out whereas if your big house is not rented out you have maximum pain, oh and if you buy 2 flats at 90k your rental yield is most likely going to be better.





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on August 15, 2011, 08:41:47 PM
Looking forward to the diary Richard.

On the property/ BTL front is it possible to leverage your money if you have no verifiable source of income?

i.e. Could you get 50% LTV (i.e stump up £80K cash deposit on a £160K property(ies) based on projected rent more than covering interest only mortgage, or do you need a "job" as well


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2011, 08:44:39 PM
Love the new diary and looking forward to this on a daily basis especially after meeting you the other week.

It may well just be me but I have trouble reading the text in blue, or red for that matter.

Work away...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:49:19 PM
As I've mentioned before I bought a house with two people, it didn't go well and I moved out after a month and didn't want anything more to do with it, they continue to pay it however have missed multiple payments, I can't get off the mortgage as they would have to remortgage it and no bank would touch it, I also had problems as I foolisly had direct debits in my name which I cancelled but then just paid them all off so with all that my credit rating is smashed. Anyway, as you know I now grinds the poker and thus have no proof of income, so with all that said I'm pretty much fooked yeah :) How tough will it be for me to even rent a property do you think ? I know you can't run a business from a rented property but I assume there's obv a way around this as far as pokers concerned as obv some ppl must.
Hey Raymondo,
Ok your situ will be like many poker players, in your case you need to get your credit report and make sure your repairing it to improve your credit rating. If its that bad and you cant get any credit at the moment even if you dont need it take some pre paid credit card which charges a small fee per year which they take monthly and it shows as a loan on your rating to improve your rating.
If you cant get off the mortgage and they have missed payments then this obv goes against you which is not good as lenders are very fickle at the moment so they cherry pick who to lend to and require healthy deposits. In terms of proof of income when your personal rating is repaired and you have a good deposit if you have a creative mortgage consultant they can normally help out, it may cost a few hundo in drinks but its worth it.
I know people who can afford the mortgage but cant prove it and have managed to get them houses they wanted but it is very deposit and credit score biased.
With rentals some agents are maybe more flexible than others so it may be worth while wading through them and finding out what they need to do before recommending you as a tenant plus if you know someone who has there own business and may be willing to say that you work for them just to get you started or if your buying with someone else you can put the property in their name but make sure before they exchange contracts on it you have a good DECLARATION OF TRUST lodged with a solicitor that outlines what your both putting into the property and what shares in the property you each own when it is to be sold to protect yourself.

How is the pokerz going now, you prefer this year or last year in terms of grinding?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:50:19 PM
About time Rich. Bookmarked.
Ty  snap


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:54:33 PM
grinding tonight?
Hi M8,
No unfortunately my grind this week is   Weds Thurs Sunday as the OUTLAWS are over for 2 weeks from Slovakia so having disappeared to Edinburgh for 4days i need to do some normal life stuff first but if your around and fancy a chat or session whilst playing lmk.
I will send you a couple of hands to look through and will get round to the pokerstars thing 2moro  4sure!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 08:56:45 PM
Love the new diary and looking forward to this on a daily basis especially after meeting you the other week.

It may well just be me but I have trouble reading the text in blue, or red for that matter.

Work away...
Thanks Ralph it was good to meet you and put a face to an avatar as well, just for you i will keep this as normal.  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 09:01:40 PM
Looking forward to the diary Richard.

On the property/ BTL front is it possible to leverage your money if you have no verifiable source of income?

i.e. Could you get 50% LTV (i.e stump up £80K cash deposit on a £160K property(ies) based on projected rent more than covering interest only mortgage, or do you need a "job" as well
If your genuinely looking for a property and have this issue pls pm me your contact details, ie name and number and i will gladly get in contact or put you in touch with someone who can help and if it means collecting paperwork etc im at DTD once a month or hook up with other regs on here so something can always be sorted, but in answer to your question if its a buy to let most lenders want at least 125% on the mortgage payment as the rent so if the property qualifies this way then proof of income need not be an issue however the set up fees are really extortionate for buy to lets so it may be worth looking at other options.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on August 15, 2011, 09:09:56 PM
Cheers Richard. Monies locked up until next May, looking at options for after then. I'll do a bit more research locally into rental incomes/property values. I'll probably bump into you at DtD in the meantime.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Ok before I go back thorugh how I started off playing poker and my general degeneracy in my twenties I will talk a bit about my life now.
For those who dont know me  My name is Richard Blacklock and i am 37 years old living in Leigh on Sea in Essex with my AMAZING wife Petra and our little baby boy Maxwell Andrew Blacklock and overall life is pretty good, we have our tough times as all do but i would like to think that were a pretty good team and have to be as all of Petra's family live back in Slovakia so its kinda us against the world.
I met Petra 5 1/2 years ago when she was a valet at the Westcliff casino in Southend where i had been playing for about 2years and i looked at her and thought she was unbelievably beautifull and we started chatting before after a couple of weeks i plucked up the courage to ask her out, only to be told that she was not allowed to date customers. Never one to give up at the first objection i eventually convinced her to come on a date and we just really clicked and depite her only really coming to England to learn the language and improve her life back home luckily for me our relationship grew and we got engaged a year and a half later and married a further 18months on but more of that later.
Petra left the casino 6months after we metand with a little help and a few nudges we managed to get her a job as a studio assistant at a local photographers working with a well respected photographer who trained her and within 2 years she was the main photographer for the company and imo is a great photographer with amazing vision and creativity.
As you will see i am immensely proud of her achievements over here and as a new mum and as you will see from photo's to come im definatley batting out of my league.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 15, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
As I've mentioned before I bought a house with two people, it didn't go well and I moved out after a month and didn't want anything more to do with it, they continue to pay it however have missed multiple payments, I can't get off the mortgage as they would have to remortgage it and no bank would touch it, I also had problems as I foolisly had direct debits in my name which I cancelled but then just paid them all off so with all that my credit rating is smashed. Anyway, as you know I now grinds the poker and thus have no proof of income, so with all that said I'm pretty much fooked yeah :) How tough will it be for me to even rent a property do you think ? I know you can't run a business from a rented property but I assume there's obv a way around this as far as pokers concerned as obv some ppl must.
Hey Raymondo,
Ok your situ will be like many poker players, in your case you need to get your credit report and make sure your repairing it to improve your credit rating. If its that bad and you cant get any credit at the moment even if you dont need it take some pre paid credit card which charges a small fee per year which they take monthly and it shows as a loan on your rating to improve your rating.
If you cant get off the mortgage and they have missed payments then this obv goes against you which is not good as lenders are very fickle at the moment so they cherry pick who to lend to and require healthy deposits. In terms of proof of income when your personal rating is repaired and you have a good deposit if you have a creative mortgage consultant they can normally help out, it may cost a few hundo in drinks but its worth it.
I know people who can afford the mortgage but cant prove it and have managed to get them houses they wanted but it is very deposit and credit score biased.
With rentals some agents are maybe more flexible than others so it may be worth while wading through them and finding out what they need to do before recommending you as a tenant plus if you know someone who has there own business and may be willing to say that you work for them just to get you started or if your buying with someone else you can put the property in their name but make sure before they exchange contracts on it you have a good DECLARATION OF TRUST lodged with a solicitor that outlines what your both putting into the property and what shares in the property you each own when it is to be sold to protect yourself.

How is the pokerz going now, you prefer this year or last year in terms of grinding?

It'll be two years before I'm looking to do anything so hopefully can repair credit in the meantime plus the housing market might improve.

Poker is good thanks, as far as comparing this year to last, I was playing 45mans last year and making more money but longterm cash is much better and much more interesting.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2011, 09:56:19 PM
Come on, hurry up with the pics of your 17 year old wife pls.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 10:09:39 PM
Come on, hurry up with the pics of your 17 year old wife pls.
Well tvm after your amazing IT lesson earlier i cant seem to get any photos up so will need the boss to look at shrinking them so that they upload, which means Vinnyfish you will have to wait till tomorrow to see my 17 year old wife!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2011, 10:11:18 PM
Come on, hurry up with the pics of your 17 year old wife pls.
Well tvm after your amazing IT lesson earlier i cant seem to get any photos up so will need the boss to look at shrinking them so that they upload, which means Vinnyfish you will have to wait till tomorrow to see my 17 year old wife!

You want me to post some of my pics of Petra?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Come on, hurry up with the pics of your 17 year old wife pls.
Well tvm after your amazing IT lesson earlier i cant seem to get any photos up so will need the boss to look at shrinking them so that they upload, which means Vinnyfish you will have to wait till tomorrow to see my 17 year old wife!

You want me to post some of my pics of Petra?
If your in them surely they will be to BIG to upload  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
Come on, hurry up with the pics of your 17 year old wife pls.
Well tvm after your amazing IT lesson earlier i cant seem to get any photos up so will need the boss to look at shrinking them so that they upload, which means Vinnyfish you will have to wait till tomorrow to see my 17 year old wife!

You want me to post some of my pics of Petra?
If your in them surely they will be to BIG to upload  ;)

Yeah, good point mate, I think I remember her mentioning BIG ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2011, 10:22:43 PM

We need to know about your alias, (A-K = Eso Kral in Lithuania?), & how the babby is coming along, what make it is, & it's name.

Then you may begin.

Should be an excellent read, Sir, you have always struck me as someone who writes with some eloquence.
As you asked sir,  Eso Kral is actually Slovak for Ace King and it had a nice ring to it so i have used it ever since.
Baby Maxwell is coming on well tyvm and is now really building some character and getting bigger by the day but once i can upload some photos you will see the wee man.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 15, 2011, 11:59:47 PM
Don't ever diss the GreekStein diaries.

Hurry up with the pics.

Dunno if I mentioned to you, but my dad is in property and I know how much dodgyness goes on amongst estate agents. One guy he uses makes an abs killing. Does the Kral bat straight down the line?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on August 16, 2011, 12:32:46 AM
Beat me to it..  If you were using another estate agent (who was unaware you knew the score), what tricks would you be expecting him to pull?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on August 16, 2011, 12:53:56 AM
An old friend of mine made a fortune out of dodgy deals.

Some of his family worked as estate agents, the rest worked as property developers.

It was mainly his family telling him that there was a bargain available and then forgetting to tell anyone else who might be interested.

They did it all back in the 90's so they're all millionaires now thanks to the property boom.

Mbn.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Amatay on August 16, 2011, 06:25:29 AM
I'm using an estate agent to rent out my property for at least a yr whilst i go travelling with Cos. Anything is need to know/be aware of? Cheers.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 16, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
I have a legit question. In January my tenants have been living in my house for a year. I currently employ a house manager who i pay 8% pcm to sort out all the stuff i can't be bothered with, who decides if I can up their rent up or not? are there many hoops to jump through?
.

which managing agent do u use??


I use Frankeys based in silver street. She is normally 10% but got a deal. Pretty fit as well which helps negotiations.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 10:38:40 AM
Don't ever diss the GreekStein diaries.

Hurry up with the pics.

Dunno if I mentioned to you, but my dad is in property and I know how much dodgyness goes on amongst estate agents. One guy he uses makes an abs killing. Does the Kral bat straight down the line?

I would say that i have never knowingly ripped off a vendor by undervalueing a property but i have negotiated hard for buyers and have had buyers who have been very gratefull for Eso's negotiating skills  ;)
Oh and i would never buy from my own firm! You need to keep a good reputation so if i want to buy its always through other contacts i have built up.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 11:16:23 AM
Beat me to it..  If you were using another estate agent (who was unaware you knew the score), what tricks would you be expecting him to pull?
I think they would be really trying to get your price down if not sold in 4 weeks but thats not bad advice if you really want to sell as you have a shelf life of 4-6weeks before your property starts to look stale, however not everyone can afford to reduce.
They would defo be looking to convince you a certain offer is the best they can get and thats if you decline it you may regret it in the future if the market turns worse.

Most agents are only underhand with probate properties or props with development potential where they buy themselves or sell to a client they know without the pproperty ever coming to the market and taking a healthy drink from said developer for finding the property.
Mainstream houses sell if they are on at the right price at the time.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 11:17:59 AM
An old friend of mine made a fortune out of dodgy deals.

Some of his family worked as estate agents, the rest worked as property developers.

It was mainly his family telling him that there was a bargain available and then forgetting to tell anyone else who might be interested.

They did it all back in the 90's so they're all millionaires now thanks to the property boom.

Mbn.
This^ is how many independant agents made their money in fact having your own agencey was just a front for being a developer and probably is now if you can turn 4 properties a year you can make a lot of money in the right areas.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 11:34:43 AM
If you buy a property on a normal mortgage, how long do you have to 'live' in it before you decide to move out and let it??
Ok i cant advocate on my diary that you commit mortgage fraud incase an INTERNET POLICEMAN is watching, however if you were buying a property on a normal mortgage and then suddenly lost your job and spoke to the lender and told them that you had no option but to move out and rent the property out i think they would probably be fine as long as you have adequate insurance or switch you to whatever their BTL rate will be. Or if you didnt really care then you could theoretically just buy the prop on a residential basis and then rent it out and hope they dont find out.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 11:57:55 AM
I grew up in Walsall but was never really academic at school as from my early teens i was a county footballer and was on schoolboy forms at Leeds United, infact i walked around the school with an air of "i dont need education as i will be a top footballer" and was quite disruptive so the school told me that as long as i didnt disrupt the other kids education i could have one week off per month to go and train with the youth's and reserves at Leeds which was amazing and i remember jumping on a train at 14 years of age and being told someone would meet me at the station and take me to my hotel.

Low and behold it was only Vinny Jones waiting at the station for me and taking me to training on a daily basis obv thats where he would leave and go into the first team dressing room whilst i went down the corridor with the youths but it was still great all the same, another time Chris Kamara (he had the biggest big toes i had ever seen!) was my taxi driver.

I was a goalkeeper and unfortunately since the age of 14 i have been the same 5ft 7 and 3/4" and in those days (1990) you could get away with being 6ft but on my 16th birthday i was told i would not be given a YTS contract and they were releasing me but they had circulated my details to other clubs and had arranged a trial with Kidderminster Harriers in the Vauxhall Conference who had a YTS scheme even in the 5th division as it were then, so off i went and snap accepted YTS contact offered plus my digs paid for and was happy to be living my dream for a while longer and they thought i may even grow as i was only 16!!

2 Years later i was still the same height and had nopt played for the first team but was reserve team captain and we pretty much smashed the league as we were against non pro teams and i got to play at some good grounds in the FA youth cup and i was released from full time but given a part time contract and started to realise that playing football was probably not going to be the career for me. So i stayed on part time for another 2 years and got paid for playing sunday football in the top league in Birmingham as well a soccer coaching at the local leisure centre and started to think of what to do next...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 16, 2011, 12:02:35 PM
Thread is a fail without pics of petra.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 12:03:07 PM
Thread is a fail without pics of petra.
this will be rectified later!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on August 16, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Are you a Chartered Surveyor?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 12:35:19 PM
Are you a Chartered Surveyor?
No sorry Guy just a poor Estate Agent as you dont need any qualifications to do what i do.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 16, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
I have a legit question. In January my tenants have been living in my house for a year. I currently employ a house manager who i pay 8% pcm to sort out all the stuff i can't be bothered with, who decides if I can up their rent up or not? are there many hoops to jump through?
Firstly i would try to neg the house manager down a bit and say you have been offered similar services for 5% which is fairly standard in my area and it is up to you at the end of the agreement to decide if you would like to up your rental.
The best thing to do would be to ring 2-3 different letting agents and tell them your a landlord and ask them what their most popular request for property is from prospective tenants if this is what you have   whoop whoop also get them round to value the property for rental and then if your under renting it when you resign your exisiting tenant tell them you need to up the rent a bit to cover costs etc etc. However what you need to remember is that if they call you bluff and say GTFO were leaving you may have asked them for an extra £50 per calendar month and if you dont have a tenant ready to move in two months of it empty is about a year of that extra nifty you were asking for so its a gamble.
I would say if your mortgage is fixed for a period of time and they are GOOD tenants this is worth more than the extra 50 minus 8% netting 46 but thats just my opinion and what we do with our tenants.

Cheers for the info AK, They are pretty good tenants tbh but my house is in a proper decent location and i had a tonne of offers when i put it on the market. Will wait and see for now.

Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 08:55:04 PM
Ok i need some help uploading photos to my diary, Vinny kindly talked me through how to add them but all the photos on my laptop are all 1.5mb plus so wont upload
Anyone know what to do???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Claw75 on August 16, 2011, 09:13:20 PM
surprised vinny hasn't asked this yet.....

top 5 players in luton pls.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: KarmaDope on August 16, 2011, 09:20:36 PM
Ok i need some help uploading photos to my diary, Vinny kindly talked me through how to add them but all the photos on my laptop are all 1.5mb plus so wont upload
Anyone know what to do???

1. Open photo in paint.

2. Click "SAVE AS"

3. In drop down menu where it says file type, choose JPEG

4. Slightly change the title so you have 2 copies of said photo on computer.

5. Upload the new, smaller file to http://www.imageshack.us

6. Copy link of uploaded photo to here.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on August 16, 2011, 09:36:18 PM
Ok i need some help uploading photos to my diary, Vinny kindly talked me through how to add them but all the photos on my laptop are all 1.5mb plus so wont upload
Anyone know what to do???

Go here http://photobucket.com/ , upload whatever , click forum code (auto copies) paste here.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: skolsuper on August 16, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
Thread is a fail without pics of petra.

QFT

Other than that tho thread is awesome, TY Eso


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 10:06:28 PM
Thread is a fail without pics of petra.

QFT

Other than that tho thread is awesome, TY Eso
WOW  Keys ITT it could have only got better if he was in on page 1 hey ho must have been sleeping


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
surprised vinny hasn't asked this yet.....

top 5 players in luton pls.

Hey claw, obv i dont play there that mcuh but it would be something like this

1 Claw
2 RU Holding
3 Holdy
4 Sicilian
5 British Gas
If yoou said top 50 my occasional dinner partner would get a listing..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
Thx Sharples and Pokerfan will look into this tomorrow and finally get some pics up to please Vinny  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 16, 2011, 11:32:21 PM
one of the nice guys in poker, sat with Rich at the dtd deepstack a couple of times and railed me on day 2 for a min cash, not been dtd much, work commitments, death in the family but got some property from it, will speak on advice on where i go in privvy next time i see you, playin Goliath for fun and charity, and playin Megastack flight 1 on Sat 20th Aug, glad ur Family is ok, Petra missing me on fb? Take care see ya soon.......... Top Lad


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 16, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
one of the nice guys in poker, sat with Rich at the dtd deepstack a couple of times and railed me on day 2 for a min cash, not been dtd much, work commitments, death in the family but got some property from it, will speak on advice on where i go in privvy next time i see you, playin Goliath for fun and charity, and playin Megastack flight 1 on Sat 20th Aug, glad ur Family is ok, Petra missing me on fb? Take care see ya soon.......... Top Lad

Megastack at Stoke.......... loads of oaties


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 11:03:38 AM
one of the nice guys in poker, sat with Rich at the dtd deepstack a couple of times and railed me on day 2 for a min cash, not been dtd much, work commitments, death in the family but got some property from it, will speak on advice on where i go in privvy next time i see you, playin Goliath for fun and charity, and playin Megastack flight 1 on Sat 20th Aug, glad ur Family is ok, Petra missing me on fb? Take care see ya soon.......... Top Lad
Yeah feel free to grab me anytime for a chat m8   cu soon  and thx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
Whilst working at the leisure centre it was probably where my Degen life started as for the first time since i was 16 i was earning more than 100 per week and like most it started with a win. Whilst playing football i had bet on the football and even though i was only 16-17 i looked older (in before "you still do") and had no problems getting served at clubs or in the bookies and had had some small wins, however on receipt of my first full months money from the leisure centre i decided i would go and join the "old stanley casino" in Walsall town centre only to be told i had to wait 48 hours before i could go in.

So 48 hours later back i went in my suit shirt and tie as im sure in the James Bond movies this is what you wear to get in only to forget that this is Walsall and people only wear suits for funerals weddings and more commonly court appearances, obviously the tie came off pretty sharpish and for those who know or remember the old casino it had a tiny bar at the top end then some poker tables and slots with a small area leading to gaming floor so i thought lets have a drink first and ordered a budweiser before casually trying to walk to the gaming area only to be told that no alcoholic drinks were allowed on the floor.

I finished my drink and ventured to the gaming floor watching all the games like a kid in a sweet shop not knowing what or how to play any of them but sure i would be sat playing in a short while, i bottled it at first and played Blackjack behind another player who seemed to know what he was doing and i went infront (easy game) before a seat came available on the last box sooff i went.

All of a sudden people were tutting at me and shaking their heads as i drew cards on 13/14/15/16 against the dealers 2/3/4/5 etc until an asian guy called Masood said look let me tell you how to play!!  Fairly quickly i recovered my losses and by kicking out time at 4am i was losing £30 having had a few drinks, a few spins on roulette and tipped the valets not bad i thought for a nights entertainment if only over the next 10 years it only cost me £30 for the same fun.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 17, 2011, 11:29:33 AM
popcorn is out.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 12:16:21 PM
I  returned the next night and i actually came out level after drinks etc and on my 3rd consecutive night bumped into a old schoolfriend whom we shall call Paul who was playing the Blackjack and we caught up over a few hours and each shoe seemed profitable and we ended the night to the "last 3 spins" playing £150 on 2 of the 3 dozens on roulette winning all 3spins and waiting in the queue i knew it had been a profitable night but was surprised to find that having walked in with £150 i was cashing up £2500 and i left with a smile on my face a wedge in my pocket and a knowing glance from the pit bosses and managers.

I was at work the next day coaching kids soccer on the astro turf at the leisure centre in Sutton Coldfield and could not wait to finish as i knew that the casino opened at 2pm and i finished my shift at 12noon having opened up the centre at 6am (lack of sleep ftw) so a quick workout and shower and off to Walsall we went only this time there was hardly anyone in except old boys drinking copius ammounts of free tea and coffee with their sandwich for lunch thrown in.

7 hours later and my recently loaned by the casino £2500 was down to £200 and i couldnt understand how the dealer could pull 21 so many times when last night they bust and despite covering half the wheel on roulette it always came in the opposite half so i took a break from the tables to go to the cash point and went back to reclaim my money alas it was not meant to be and at 8.30 i left the casino sweaty with a sick feeling in my stomach. If only then i learnt you cant beat the house games it would have saved me a lot of money and even more hurt to members of my family who had no idea how deep i would eventually get in..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 17, 2011, 01:02:09 PM
Beginning to think petra doesn't actually exist.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 01:35:27 PM
Beginning to think petra doesn't actually exist.
look after your lack of help on the photo front i had to resort to others and hopefully there will be some images to please the masses 10 people who read this diary later


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 17, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Beginning to think petra doesn't actually exist.
+1

great read tho so far


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on August 17, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
Excellent read so far Rich. Please use the occasional comma, though? The voice in my head is out of breath. :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redarmi on August 17, 2011, 06:19:50 PM
+1 really interesting.  


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
Excellent read so far Rich. Please use the occasional comma, though? The voice in my head is out of breath. :P
Thx for all the +feedback so far
@Zero,  which bit of i was a footballer, and didnt really try at school, did you not get,   ;D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 17, 2011, 08:38:10 PM
I remember the Royal casino quite well, and was always down Wyndley (if that is the leisure centre you worked at?). Enjoying the diary!
Google Poker Refugees and get the Europe market lol.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
I remember the Royal casino quite well, and was always down Wyndley (if that is the leisure centre you worked at?). Enjoying the diary!
Google Poker Refugees and get the Europe market lol.
TYTY  just grinding a few mtts at moment then need to try and work out this photo lark and then poss next installment tonight or morning.
Ps you were right about both locations Richard   ;applause;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on August 17, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Beginning to think petra doesn't actually exist.

great read, but starting to think this too


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Claw75 on August 17, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
surprised vinny hasn't asked this yet.....

top 5 players in luton pls.

Hey claw, obv i dont play there that mcuh but it would be something like this

1 Claw
2 RU Holding
3 Holdy
4 Sicilian
5 British Gas
If yoou said top 50 my occasional dinner partner would get a listing..

bit harsh including michelle in your otherwise comedy line up imo - she's actually pretty good and she's gonna take down the main event this weekend innit ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:55:30 AM
Still no photos but thats cos i finished playing to late to try and get them on but im not playing tonight so i promise there will be some up later.

Anyway over the next few weeks i carried on donating to the casino taking out £200 per time which was a decent amount of money in the early 90s and i was reloading when required, and i was slowly starting to get addicted with the buzz and not even the winning or losing actually mattering.

Work was ok i was now working in the refurbished Gym and was doing a qualification to be a personal trainer so i could set up my own business for all the rich Sutton Coldfield housewives with nothing to do during the day except me  ;) when i met the first possible future Mrs Eso who was an 18yr old blonde singer by the name of Sarah (all names changed obv) we starting going out and being 21 with my very own Citroen AX GT in white ofc i was quite a catch. She was a real looker and very talented and in the end was very unlucky not to make it big in the charts, Sarah didnt really know where i went 3-4nights per week and as it was early days probably didnt care but i was starting to become dodgy and had taken my first credit card and maxed it out and followed it up with another followed by a loan to pay off the credit cards ..... rinse repeat and i was never able to win like i had that first night. Yeah ofc i had wins but mostly losses and i was starting to spiral out of control.

One day at the casino the owner a big tall hulking guy called Phil asked me to go and have a chat in his office and i soon found out that he wanted a personal trainer, so we embarked on a 1year journey where i trained him 3hour long sessions per week at £20 per hour and then 4 days per week i gave him some business worth approx 500 per day so effectively i paid him to train but he showed me a different side of the business as he was so well known and due to the clientel that frequented the royal casino he could pretty much walk into most of the restaurants in town and eat and drink for free 7 days and nights per week which was obviously the catalyst to his weight problem.

One Friday afternoon i was already losing £200 and was sat at the bar when about 30 people suddenly sat by the bar at these kidney shaped tables and started to play a game that i didnt understand (in before " you still dont " thx Vinny) but my friend Paul was playing and he said to come and sit behind him and watch and he showed me his cards from time to time explaining what was going on and that next time i should play....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on August 18, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
I know! The game was bridge?

Good diary keep it up.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 10:17:54 AM
So the following friday at about 4pm i arrived for the first of 2 games they held on a friday which was a £5 rebuy non dealer dealt and as a newbie i was told i didnt have to shuffle or deal the first time  phew.
Obviously i luckboxed my way to the last 16 players and then comically nearly folded a straight flush forgetting it beats the A flush despite having a hand chart on the wall directly infront of me until Paul nudged my as i held my cards looking like i was going to fold and sailed to the final table. Unfortunately there was no 1st win as i proceeded to spew off my big chip lead in a similar way to today, and was so easy to read obv if i bet i had it and when i checked i didnt and a tall Greek gent called Saeed taught me a lesson as he played every pot i was in and took all of my chips over that hour.

On the gambling side i was losing heavily and had now added horses and dogs to my addiction, but Sarah was still in tow and had no knowledge of my problems but my Dad had started to get wind and was wondering why people were phoning asking after me and why all of sudden i was receiving masses of letters that i just didnt open and stuck them in a draw "its nothing i would tell him" and claim it was all about the personal training business etc etc

The next course of events is something that im not to proud of and wont go into that much detail on but it was the closest that i have ever come to going to prison as when someone in the casino approached me and offered the chance to solve some of my money worries for no risk to me and by doing something that all his mates had we could get a couple of grand i took the chance and watched 2 hours later as he got carted off in a police car and i went back to the casino absolutely bricking it.

2 hours later when the casino announced over the tannoy "can Richard Blacklock please come to reception" i knew it was either the police or my Dad and wasnt to sure which one i hoped it would be, anyways it was the police after they had been to our family home and Dad had told them i could be found down the casino or Ladbrokes.  I dont remember the chaps name who got me involved but fair play to him as he didnt squeel and kept his side of the story but the next day interview i had to have at the police station was the most nerve racking thing i have ever been through especially when the first thin the copper said in the interview room was "Is there anything you would like to tell us before we start?".

Im pretty sure i went red and stumbled my way through the interview but was let out and to my knowledge the other chap served a bit of time and i was on the slippery slope a bit further...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 10:36:12 AM
Poker at the Stanley casino had some characters some of them still around today
Mickey Wernick - in these days even The Worm played the £5 rebuy
Ash "the cash" Pervais - i think he made an appearance on LNP
Paul Jackson - was always one of the better players there
Anon (state in america) - still the same today
Anon (Raul moat lookalike) - had a pony tail in those days and had some massive spin ups on the magic wheel turning 100 to 20k on a few occasions
also some other comical people
Maggie Fryer - always played 10/6 and if it was suited it was all going in obviously 10/6 at stanley became known as "the fryer" even today i think of it when dealt it.
Wallop - an old boy who when in a pot used to bang his fist on the table and shout "wallop" when he had a good hand - he was fairly exploitable
Kath P -  a big greek lady who used to bring a carrier bag of sweets to every comp and they would go round the tables one by one
I later found out that one of the pit bosses got sacked as it was common for them to come and grab a sweet from time to time but this gent inparticular used to grab a sweet but deposit 4-5 pony chips in the bag on each occasion that then were cashed and split up weekly in a secret rendezvous.
Micky P - had obviously won a big pot once requiring a 7 so in walsall when you called in a 7 you would "send me a micky p" dealer!
I started to really enjoy poker but was still losing eveywhere else and had already been bailed out once by my Dad who told me he would not do this again (more on this as we go on) when they intriduced a game that would change my world for unfortunately only 1month before some idiot with a big mouth lt on what was happening, the game was "Carribean Poker" the 5 card house poker game where the dealer only opens AK+ and you have to beat his hand...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 12:38:38 PM
LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!!
When your losing and find that you can make a steady stream of money at no risk why would you tell anyone? Well one day Paul said lets play Caribbean poker and i said why to which he replied " you will see!"
The Dealer dealt our hands and his own and after a few hands Paul leaned across to me and said have you seen it, obviously i had not so he told me to watch how the dealer dealt his own hand and to lean back slightly so i did and to my amazement we could actually see all the dealers whole cards as he turned the corners up as he dealt.

Happy Days so for 4 weeks we only ever played Caribbean when he dealt and won a good few thousand each not going for the big hits but taking a steady stream of money on a daily basis, it was just a case of being around on his shift and then staying for a few hands after he left whilst throwing in the odd loser as well every 10 hands or so.

Unfortunately Paul told someone else and this got back to the management and we were both pulled to one side and told we were barred from playing Caribbean when this dealer was on but it didnt matter as they had retrained his dealing skills now  :(  if only Paul could have kept quiet i would have been out of the hole for a few weeks.

I was losing heavily now and was earning around £15k per year from my personal training and gym job but was in debt to the tune of around 10k with the banks and my initial bail out from my Dad which was 12k a figure that was written in a little red book as we callled it, and i was to pay money off the red book as and when i had it or if anything happened to my Dad this would be accounted for to make things fair for my brother.

Credit was now becoming hard to come by as i had bounced payments so the bank and credit card company didnt wish to extend my credit line so i found out that the casino would let you cash 3 cheques per day with a bankers card and with a chq gtee limit of £100 this was a funding stream that if used correctly ie  start cashing on a Thursday i would have till Tuesday before the bank would put a stop to this line of credit...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 18, 2011, 01:48:49 PM
absolute degen... keep going..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
Well i was still doing chunks in all over the place but my relationship didnt suffer in fact we were getting on really well and Sarah had no idea that i was losing money as i was always the same person with a pound or 3k in my pocket. The personal training side was doing ok but i could not find enough clients to do 3 sessions per week and pay the ££ so iwas starting to think of alternatives as i had found i was enjoying selling the benefits to clients and getting them signed up more that i was training them so sales seemed like a good way of earning my money.

Gambling wise was terrible until one night when playing Roulette all my numbers started to come in, now i was a sucker for Tier with 8/11/30/36/23 my abs favs and if it came 16 it was probably a losing spin similarly if it came 28/29/7 or 0 section it was most likely a good winner also. This particular night all MY numbers were coming in and before long £200 became £1000 became £5000 and i stopped playing, i dont know why and you never know whether i would have carried on winning or done the lot but i cashed up and made my way out where Paul stopped me and asked if he could borrow a grand till he got paid at the end of that week. We were pretty tight so i was comfortable with this as through the ups and downs money had often changed hands.

Now there have been a few stories on here some recently where people have been nipped i learnt the hard way firstly through the hurt caused to my family most importantly my Dad who is no longer with us and i will come on to this later but also thorugh lending when i had and being promised money back only to never see it again so now im definately in the camp of never a lender nor a borrower be!

Obviously Paul never turned up or returned calls which i ended up finding really disappointing as whilst 1k is even today a lot of money in the scheme of things its not that much, whats more disappointing was the fact that it was when i needed the money and another batch of missed payments happened with the phone calls before i went back to my Dad again for help only this time it was a case of "once more and your out on your ear son".

My relationship was still going strong and we were starting to talk of engagement but i couldnt save money and was still frittering it away so when an opportunity came to go and stay in Southern California for 6 months coaching kids Soccer it was too good an opportunity to miss plus it would give me a chance to save some money for a ring and decide what path my career should take next, it was around this time that the Royal Casino was closing as they were going to knock it down as part of the towns redevelopment and the new Grosvenor Casino at Junction 10 was born.
Off to America we go....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 18, 2011, 03:20:23 PM
This is a great read Rich and I can certainly relate to the degen stuff, been there/done that.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 18, 2011, 03:46:03 PM
Awesome read so far mate, keep it up!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 18, 2011, 03:47:50 PM
Keep going Rich, great read.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 18, 2011, 03:49:29 PM
whos paul?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 03:56:02 PM
whos paul?


not The Ho


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
Awesome read so far mate, keep it up!
TY JK isnt it about time urs was upto date????


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 04:03:39 PM
WORK UPDATE

Today is not a bad day in the office, obv im on my own hence posting loads on here but also sold a cute little bungalow that i put on the market 3weeks ago and then had a sale fall through but when i tied it up first time i had 2 offers so snap called the other lady and she had not found so resold it to her for a couple of grand less.
Then i have a 3rd viewing on a property tonight at 6.30 which must turn in to a sale tomorrow!!
Ship the commission  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 18, 2011, 04:25:38 PM
do i get a %?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 04:27:57 PM
do i get a %?
yeah your on your standard eso tariff  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 18, 2011, 04:38:04 PM
This is a great read Rich and I can certainly relate to the degen stuff, been there/done that.

I am reading this, thinking that you are writing most gamblers life's diaries lol

Epic


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 18, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
 Petra is inflatable imo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 18, 2011, 05:54:48 PM
really enjoying reading this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: maccol on August 18, 2011, 06:22:54 PM
really enjoying reading this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 18, 2011, 06:40:19 PM


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bigtadger on August 18, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
if say someone has errrrrr £100k to invest in a property with you is it possible you can turn it around making say a nice 5/10 % in the space of a certain period ! im asking because thae bank gives me £300 a month interest on it and i fell im wasting oppertunities to do something with it , suppose if im lead the right way and it worked you would get the commision and a nice back hander, sorry to be a bit nieve but what can you earn without the tax man getting his filthy paws on it ????


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Pinchop73 on August 18, 2011, 07:25:22 PM
With that sort of lump you can easily get 9% with the right people, no need to go into the housing market.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 18, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
Petra is inflatable imo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Mitch on August 18, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
Good stuff mate, never knew you had this dark side to you.

Now where are the fucking pics?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 08:57:27 PM
if say someone has errrrrr £100k to invest in a property with you is it possible you can turn it around making say a nice 5/10 % in the space of a certain period ! im asking because thae bank gives me £300 a month interest on it and i fell im wasting oppertunities to do something with it , suppose if im lead the right way and it worked you would get the commision and a nice back hander, sorry to be a bit nieve but what can you earn without the tax man getting his filthy paws on it ????
Depending on how long you are prepared to lock up your 100k and obv your credit history i would buy 3-4 flats in decent rentable areas and take some profit each month plus if you have bought correctly you can have an exit strategy to get out of the flats without paying cgt if you play it right. This is what i would do but would certainly be prepared to lock it up for like45 years with the market the way it is, or start with a small refurb make a bit move on to the next one rinse repeat over and over but declare the prop as your main residence all the time so as long as you have 6months or a creative accountant you minmise any taxes.
GL with your venture!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
Petra on our wedding day!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:21:35 PM
Just so you know i was there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Our Little Family with Maxwell


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: nirvana on August 18, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Good read this.

Batting above average there :-) but did she clean your flat before you got married ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
Anyone know how i make the photos appear bigger??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 18, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
go to www.imageshack.us upload photo, pick size you want, copy code and paste in thread.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:39:37 PM
Max's Christening, just so Vinny knows he exists as well!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
go to www.imageshack.us upload photo, pick size you want, copy code and paste in thread.
What size do you recommend Rich and where do you copy the code to???
TIA


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:43:04 PM
Good read this.

Batting above average there :-) but did she clean your flat before you got married ?
Hey Nirvana i think you need to a certain Scottish Celtic fans diary to find pics of Molly Maid  ;)
Oh and always bat at least 2-3scores higher than yourself imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 18, 2011, 09:45:01 PM
640x480 upload, no need to register then after you upload it will give you a load of codes, copy "forum" code, paste into a post here.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 09:50:59 PM
640x480 upload, no need to register then after you upload it will give you a load of codes, copy "forum" code, paste into a post here.
tyty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 18, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
wow i am so shocked

good read (Y)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 18, 2011, 11:35:29 PM
whattttttttttttalife


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 18, 2011, 11:40:19 PM
What was ur fav pit game?
Biggest spin up?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 18, 2011, 11:53:31 PM
Best read ever, can relate to most of it. Kids who play poker these days will think it's written in foreign language


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2011, 11:59:03 PM
whattttttttttttalife
prefer yours  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 12:03:17 AM
What was ur fav pit game?
The ex degen in me would defo say Roulette there was nothing like the buzz of watching the ballknowing which section you wanted and waiting waiting  drop bounce stop stop FML

Biggest spin up?
Probs a story i will come to in a bit £100 to 15k in 20 spins   shoulda been a life changer



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 12:04:59 AM
Best read ever, can relate to most of it. Kids who play poker these days will think it's written in foreign language
Thx Dave   out of interest whats your biggest spin up and on what?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 19, 2011, 12:15:08 AM
Best read ever, can relate to most of it. Kids who play poker these days will think it's written in foreign language
Thx Dave   out of interest whats your biggest spin up and on what?

2k in bf to 200k in 24 days playing PLO- less than 10k hands- went from 2-5 to 50-100 in no time- Jan 09 I think

Non poker- had a few 5 figure spinups- hit 32 quite big a couple times, went from having 0 in pocket to 10k at dogs by call in a bet in, then going 4 on bounce

All a while ago tho haha- spinning days are over


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on August 19, 2011, 01:45:42 AM
Wow what a diary, just read the lot from start to finish tonight and what a start to a diary  ;hattip;

Congrats on coming out the other side and doing so well for yourself sir


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: hatthehole on August 19, 2011, 03:51:47 AM
great read.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: taximan007 on August 19, 2011, 04:34:23 AM
Echo what others say, riveting stuff


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 19, 2011, 09:39:04 AM
i think he peaked too early..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 10:17:46 AM
i think he peaked too early..
lol if only u knew!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
Thx all for feedback so far, its nice to hear as like others have said previously you never can tell when writing this stuff whether anyone is bothered or will read it.

The one thing that i have learnt over time is that "you should never regret the things you have done only the things you have not" and i am also a believer that all the things that happened to me good and bad have made me the person i am today!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
COMING TO AMERICA

Late spring of 1995 a year after the world cup in America was when i set off for Southern California to hook up with 4 english guys who had set up a soccer coaching company over there and various soccer coaches or school teachers went out for various lengths of time to work the soccer camps staying with the families and then after the Saturday morning "coach the dads" session travelling to a beach or driving across state for a weekend in Vegas all crashing in 1 or 2 rooms.

I left Sarah who was now on the verge of a record deal and my sole objective was to save enough money so that when i came back i could buy a decent engagement ring as back in the uk i couldnt save a bean, so off i left a tearfull Sarah and my Dad for 6 months thinking it would be a nice break and may just sort out this gambling problem i had.

California was amazing as a 22year old, great weather loads of spare time and fun filled weekend oh and the girls digged the english accent but i wasnt there to have fun  ;)    It was nice not to think about where to get some cash or what section of the wheel was coming up next etc etc and on our alternate weekend visits to Vegas i didnt do to much damage it was more fun than anything and the hardest decision i had to make was in my final 2 weeks there was being offered the job at a college coaching the girls under 19 soccer team   tough life hey, alas i declined and came back to get engaged with some money in my pocket and a great tan whilst knowing i didnt want to be in fitness but in sales pref in the fitness industry so this would be my next goal..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
BACK IN THE UK
Well i got engaged, was still working at the Gym and was busy getting interviews with sports and fitness sales roles and life seemed to be rosy. Sarah was a great girl and if you heard her sing you just stopped and listened whilst turning heads wherever she went and her family loved me and were busy planning this big wedding as she was there little princess i suppose.

Whatever i tried i just could not get a sports company to give me a chance, getting to final interviews on my presentation and personality only to be told yeah your great but have no experience and all i could think was getting into a sales role so when a Brewery (i know hardly a fitness company) offered me the role of regional sales executive selling to the cash and carry businesses in the south of the country. I snap accepted and moved down to Gants Hill where my mum lived and drove up friday nights to spend back in the midlands before driving down first thing monday to start my week.

It was during these next 18months my problem resurfaced as i was on the road and was earning more money plus my credit had improved which meant credit card companies and the bank were happy to give me some play money!! Being in sales on the road once my calls for the day had been done the rest of the day was mine which for me meant leaving really early being at my first call by 8.30am finished all my calls by midday and thenback home sat in a bookies in or around Gants Hill punting away.

I must have dropped 20k in the first year in terms of loans c/cards salary and all this came at a time when i was trying to buy a flat down south in Hornchurch just by the station that was a reposession but fortunately managed to get it through pdq and Sarah moved in.
This meant i had to duck and dive a bit more as she was around and was getting wary of my mood swings and the mounting letters coming in daily.

I would have classed myself as a mug punter basically rocking up to a bookies and having 20-25 bets per day on whatever i fancied and the shops must have loved seeing me like most other punters in there, somedays i would change shops to spread the money around and it was on one of these occasions that i bumped into a character who was only betting dogs at Romford or Crayford and we got chatting. His phone rang every now and again and then up to the counter he went and occasionally he would say back trap 5 here or do 6 5 reversed and i started to win.

So Thursdays and Saturdays became a case of me meeting him and he told me he put bets on for a big punter who cant get on himself and i could follow his bets as long as he got on first ...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 19, 2011, 12:40:34 PM
Will know both the putter oner and big punter- pm names pls


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 12:57:11 PM
Anyone who has ever spent any time in a bookies will probably relate to this next bit as wherever they are the same characters are around
We had in our shop
PEN MAN - an interesting character who obviously didnt care much for the health of the horses as he always did reversed forecasts on the jumps and would stand by the television watching and if a horses was in front of his 2 or splitting them he would jab at the said animal with his parker pen praying for it to fall at the last and when it did obviously the pen had helped!!

THE SHOUTER - waits until the horse or dog he has selected is no more than 5yds from the winning line before shouting "Go on my son" or "Oi Oi call a copper"   you know the type

NEVER BACK A LOSER - probably bets 4 horses in the race and seems to have every winner and then proceeds to show you his winning slip, like i care when i had a £100 on the nag that came second!!

THE LEANER - this guy defies all the balance rules and you will find him directly infront of the telly if its a tight finish he starts to lean sideways until he is basically levitating like David Blaine

Im sure there are many more but these were the first ones that came to mind.

Anyway my dog man was coming up with the goods and on my visits back north i had got a contact at Perry Barr so we shared info and thoughts and landed some good touches and also had a few scams along the way more on the Romford ones later on but at Perry BArr we used to pay the Hare Driver £100 if we were going for a touch and when i say pay it meant we told him the dog we were gong with and he had a free £100 bet to control the speed of the Hare so that if we needed the dog to lead he made sure the hare was not too far infront  and vica versa, but we also had help from other trainers and if anyones ever been to Perry Barr they will know the 3rd bend is basically a car park corner so we would have a youth waiting with a carrier bag of rubbish and we would signal if our dog was not leading off the 2nd to throw it over so the race would be stopped and we got our monies back.
The problem was i just couldnt stop betting on anything else so was still losing overall and1 year later I had got bored of the farming type selling role and wanted to develop new business instead so had got a different job back in Birmingham and despite having some bad credit now was able to secure a non mainstream mortgage at a higher rate and we moved back up North... 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 12:59:49 PM
Will know both the putter oner and big punter- pm names pls
pm sent


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on August 19, 2011, 01:06:25 PM

THE LEANER - this guy defies all the balance rules and you will find him directly infront of the telly if its a tight finish he starts to lean sideways until he is basically levitating like David Blaine
 

Simply amazing!!

Unfortunately the internet has denied today's gamblers the privelege of meeting some of these incredible characters.

Great read mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 01:20:34 PM

THE LEANER - this guy defies all the balance rules and you will find him directly infront of the telly if its a tight finish he starts to lean sideways until he is basically levitating like David Blaine
 

Simply amazing!!

Unfortunately the internet has denied today's gamblers the privelege of meeting some of these incredible characters.

Great read mate.
thx m8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 19, 2011, 01:21:50 PM
Was brilliant post always on betfair forums about betting shop characters- am sure someone could dig it out for us


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 19, 2011, 01:28:47 PM
http://www.smashiton.com/others/Betfair_Great_posts.htm

On right hand side- if someone could copy and paste the good ones


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 19, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
THE BIRD MAN

walks in bookies with best picks sorted in mind , talks to locals , and reads RP , changes all his picks , does his dough and three of his original picks romp home , says to all who will listen i don't believe my luck today , does ex the same next time in..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
http://www.smashiton.com/others/Betfair_Great_posts.htm

On right hand side- if someone could copy and paste the good ones
Brilliant   we all know them


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on August 19, 2011, 01:39:08 PM
i love this diary.

I still sometimes rock up to the bookies just for these characters. They are a rare breed these days. My favourite is playing the roulette and catching someone railing, they always sharply look away as if they are'nt watching.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 19, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
AM I TOO EARLY 29 Jul 00:12 MR.5P DOUBLES

A few years ago a big punter in the betting shop used to do footie and dog accas all short favs ,anyway he was waiting for the last dog in the bookies ,all waiting to cheer it on ,came to about 30000 ,of course the dog gets beat , then the old guy in the shop starts going mad screaming throwing his pen ,the big punter says nothing the old guy screams out I HAD 10P GOING ON THAT EFFING DOG.



This guy annoys me more than anything.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 19, 2011, 01:49:21 PM
Its like you are writing my memoirs. Great Stuff!

Bringing back loads of memories, I remember when i was 15, lifting up the pillows on my nans couch, looking for coin, then going to the bookies and playing rapido, seeing some right characters as you mention. Not that bad now obv, but i have been at work since 9 and have already placed 3 bets..

Looking forward to when you say how you stopped. Could be some beneficial advice in there!

Keep it up.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on August 19, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
Poker at the Stanley casino had some characters some of them still around today
Mickey Wernick - in these days even The Worm played the £5 rebuy
Ash "the cash" Pervais - i think he made an appearance on LNP
Paul Jackson - was always one of the better players there
Anon (state in america) - still the same today
Anon (Raul moat lookalike) - had a pony tail in those days and had some massive spin ups on the magic wheel turning 100 to 20k on a few occasions
also some other comical people
Maggie Fryer - always played 10/6 and if it was suited it was all going in obviously 10/6 at stanley became known as "the fryer" even today i think of it when dealt it.
Wallop - an old boy who when in a pot used to bang his fist on the table and shout "wallop" when he had a good hand - he was fairly exploitable
Kath P -  a big greek lady who used to bring a carrier bag of sweets to every comp and they would go round the tables one by one
I later found out that one of the pit bosses got sacked as it was common for them to come and grab a sweet from time to time but this gent inparticular used to grab a sweet but deposit 4-5 pony chips in the bag on each occasion that then were cashed and split up weekly in a secret rendezvous.
Micky P - had obviously won a big pot once requiring a 7 so in walsall when you called in a 7 you would "send me a micky p" dealer!
I started to really enjoy poker but was still losing eveywhere else and had already been bailed out once by my Dad who told me he would not do this again (more on this as we go on) when they intriduced a game that would change my world for unfortunately only 1month before some idiot with a big mouth lt on what was happening, the game was "Carribean Poker" the 5 card house poker game where the dealer only opens AK+ and you have to beat his hand...


he he, i remember a lot of those people, good times.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 02:05:21 PM
Poker at the Stanley casino had some characters some of them still around today
Mickey Wernick - in these days even The Worm played the £5 rebuy
Ash "the cash" Pervais - i think he made an appearance on LNP
Paul Jackson - was always one of the better players there
Anon (state in america) - still the same today
Anon (Raul moat lookalike) - had a pony tail in those days and had some massive spin ups on the magic wheel turning 100 to 20k on a few occasions
also some other comical people
Maggie Fryer - always played 10/6 and if it was suited it was all going in obviously 10/6 at stanley became known as "the fryer" even today i think of it when dealt it.
Wallop - an old boy who when in a pot used to bang his fist on the table and shout "wallop" when he had a good hand - he was fairly exploitable
Kath P -  a big greek lady who used to bring a carrier bag of sweets to every comp and they would go round the tables one by one
I later found out that one of the pit bosses got sacked as it was common for them to come and grab a sweet from time to time but this gent inparticular used to grab a sweet but deposit 4-5 pony chips in the bag on each occasion that then were cashed and split up weekly in a secret rendezvous.
Micky P - had obviously won a big pot once requiring a 7 so in walsall when you called in a 7 you would "send me a micky p" dealer!
I started to really enjoy poker but was still losing eveywhere else and had already been bailed out once by my Dad who told me he would not do this again (more on this as we go on) when they intriduced a game that would change my world for unfortunately only 1month before some idiot with a big mouth lt on what was happening, the game was "Carribean Poker" the 5 card house poker game where the dealer only opens AK+ and you have to beat his hand...


he he, i remember a lot of those people, good times.
Would i Know you?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 19, 2011, 02:05:50 PM
eso kral = paul mckenna?

(http://www.tvscoop.tv/paul-mckenna.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 02:08:54 PM
eso kral = paul mckenna?

(http://www.tvscoop.tv/paul-mckenna.jpg)
loooooooooooooool its only taken a year and a half of updates for someone to get me
Dont worry my friend "I can make you thin"  x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 02:14:01 PM
Its like you are writing my memoirs. Great Stuff!

Bringing back loads of memories, I remember when i was 15, lifting up the pillows on my nans couch, looking for coin, then going to the bookies and playing rapido, seeing some right characters as you mention. Not that bad now obv, but i have been at work since 9 and have already placed 3 bets..

Looking forward to when you say how you stopped. Could be some beneficial advice in there!

Keep it up.
Didnt say I'd stopped did I?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on August 19, 2011, 02:16:33 PM
Poker at the Stanley casino had some characters some of them still around today
Mickey Wernick - in these days even The Worm played the £5 rebuy
Ash "the cash" Pervais - i think he made an appearance on LNP
Paul Jackson - was always one of the better players there
Anon (state in america) - still the same today
Anon (Raul moat lookalike) - had a pony tail in those days and had some massive spin ups on the magic wheel turning 100 to 20k on a few occasions
also some other comical people
Maggie Fryer - always played 10/6 and if it was suited it was all going in obviously 10/6 at stanley became known as "the fryer" even today i think of it when dealt it.
Wallop - an old boy who when in a pot used to bang his fist on the table and shout "wallop" when he had a good hand - he was fairly exploitable
Kath P -  a big greek lady who used to bring a carrier bag of sweets to every comp and they would go round the tables one by one
I later found out that one of the pit bosses got sacked as it was common for them to come and grab a sweet from time to time but this gent inparticular used to grab a sweet but deposit 4-5 pony chips in the bag on each occasion that then were cashed and split up weekly in a secret rendezvous.
Micky P - had obviously won a big pot once requiring a 7 so in walsall when you called in a 7 you would "send me a micky p" dealer!
I started to really enjoy poker but was still losing eveywhere else and had already been bailed out once by my Dad who told me he would not do this again (more on this as we go on) when they intriduced a game that would change my world for unfortunately only 1month before some idiot with a big mouth lt on what was happening, the game was "Carribean Poker" the 5 card house poker game where the dealer only opens AK+ and you have to beat his hand...


he he, i remember a lot of those people, good times.
Would i Know you?

You'll possibly know my face, i didn't go all the time but fairly regular, i'm not very sociable either so i tend not to stand out. You didn't mention Sammy 'the card rack', possibly the worst loser ever but always funny with it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 02:30:33 PM
Poker at the Stanley casino had some characters some of them still around today
Mickey Wernick - in these days even The Worm played the £5 rebuy
Ash "the cash" Pervais - i think he made an appearance on LNP
Paul Jackson - was always one of the better players there
Anon (state in america) - still the same today
Anon (Raul moat lookalike) - had a pony tail in those days and had some massive spin ups on the magic wheel turning 100 to 20k on a few occasions
also some other comical people
Maggie Fryer - always played 10/6 and if it was suited it was all going in obviously 10/6 at stanley became known as "the fryer" even today i think of it when dealt it.
Wallop - an old boy who when in a pot used to bang his fist on the table and shout "wallop" when he had a good hand - he was fairly exploitable
Kath P -  a big greek lady who used to bring a carrier bag of sweets to every comp and they would go round the tables one by one
I later found out that one of the pit bosses got sacked as it was common for them to come and grab a sweet from time to time but this gent inparticular used to grab a sweet but deposit 4-5 pony chips in the bag on each occasion that then were cashed and split up weekly in a secret rendezvous.
Micky P - had obviously won a big pot once requiring a 7 so in walsall when you called in a 7 you would "send me a micky p" dealer!
I started to really enjoy poker but was still losing eveywhere else and had already been bailed out once by my Dad who told me he would not do this again (more on this as we go on) when they intriduced a game that would change my world for unfortunately only 1month before some idiot with a big mouth lt on what was happening, the game was "Carribean Poker" the 5 card house poker game where the dealer only opens AK+ and you have to beat his hand...


he he, i remember a lot of those people, good times.
Would i Know you?

You'll possibly know my face, i didn't go all the time but fairly regular, i'm not very sociable either so i tend not to stand out. You didn't mention Sammy 'the card rack', possibly the worst loser ever but always funny with it.
Oh yeah i remember him now along with Grainger who i think is still around!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ruholding on August 19, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
surprised vinny hasn't asked this yet.....

top 5 players in luton pls.

Hey claw, obv i dont play there that mcuh but it would be something like this

1 Claw
2 RU Holding
3 Holdy
4 Sicilian
5 British Gas
If yoou said top 50 my occasional dinner partner would get a listing..

bit harsh including michelle in your otherwise comedy line up imo - she's actually pretty good and she's gonna take down the main event this weekend innit ;)



correct order should be be me on top of claw75 then british gas obv.  how did holdorfold do at nottingham


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 19, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
Enjoying the diary fella, also was you at DeeTeeDee last saturday for the 12 o'clock flight of GP4..?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
Enjoying the diary fella, also was you at DeeTeeDee last saturday for the 12 o'clock flight of GP4..?
yeah that was me, why were you on my table?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 19, 2011, 04:18:46 PM
Think i got moved to your table when there was around 40 odd left, was your exit hand 10's into chip leaders Kings?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
Think i got moved to your table when there was around 40 odd left, was your exit hand 10's into chip leaders Kings?
Close 10's into AA  yeah it was pretty tez we had a bit of history and i should have folded as i still had 40k back and i never fold out worse  :(
You got a seat?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 19, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
Yeh i managed to bink one pal, did you..? i was 2 seats to ya left and the guy in the middle i think was your friend.. You looked like brothers to be honest and i'm sure you mentioned that you use to share a flat together.. Soz if i got this totally wrong..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 19, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Rushed home from Golf to catch up on a  fantastic diary,  did not know u were in to Fitness, had two health clubs in 2001, u could have worked for me, sold now damm, one in Southern Ireland and One in Hinckley, we could have had so much fun, Memberships were good then and the extras that came with it!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 19, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
Yeh i managed to bink one pal, did you..? i was 2 seats to ya left and the guy in the middle i think was your friend.. You looked like brothers to be honest and i'm sure you mentioned that you use to share a flat together.. Soz if i got this totally wrong..
Ahhhhhhh actually i had never met that guy before (Heston Blooming whasisface lookalike) he was good buds with the guy that bust me but we were all talking for quite a while so it looked that way.

GL 2moro though, unfortunately i played the weekend trying to bink one and Sunday night my AK couldnt defeat JQ when it got a bit shippy and i departed 3 tables out and i tried twice online both late night ones AA loses to KK and squeezed shipped AQ into a min raise and 3 cold callers behind and the last caller looked me up for 92% of his stack with 78o    ;grr;

GL though see you at the deepstack if your there!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 19, 2011, 05:53:55 PM
Unlucky in not getting a seat and yeh we'll catch up at a deepstack..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Claw75 on August 19, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
eso kral = paul mckenna?

(http://www.tvscoop.tv/paul-mckenna.jpg)

haha i was gonna do that tonight!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 19, 2011, 08:41:20 PM
Cba to look back and find where you said it but....

Earlier itt you said something along the lines of whether you win or lose it doesn't really effect you and you feel like you are the same person whether you have £1 or £3k in your pocket. Do you really believe that ? I'm not saying it's not the case, maybe it is, just it's something I say a lot myself but tbh I'm full of shit and just delude myself and although I've not gambled anywhere near the levels you have it does get a bit frustrating, mines more just simply wasting money more than gambling it away, although I'm guilty of that as well. I noticed you mentioned in a later post that "she was noticing my mood swings", I've never regretted anything I've done with regards to money but it does get me down a bit when I'm skint and can't afford to even do normal things when a short while ago I was burning money for fun, I find myself in this spot pretty regularly and although it doesn't bother me enough to make me change it definitely does have an effect on my mood, not permanently mind, just when I look at my bank balance  ;D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2011, 11:15:13 AM
Cba to look back and find where you said it but....

Earlier itt you said something along the lines of whether you win or lose it doesn't really effect you and you feel like you are the same person whether you have £1 or £3k in your pocket. Do you really believe that ? I'm not saying it's not the case, maybe it is, just it's something I say a lot myself but tbh I'm full of shit and just delude myself and although I've not gambled anywhere near the levels you have it does get a bit frustrating, mines more just simply wasting money more than gambling it away, although I'm guilty of that as well. I noticed you mentioned in a later post that "she was noticing my mood swings", I've never regretted anything I've done with regards to money but it does get me down a bit when I'm skint and can't afford to even do normal things when a short while ago I was burning money for fun, I find myself in this spot pretty regularly and although it doesn't bother me enough to make me change it definitely does have an effect on my mood, not permanently mind, just when I look at my bank balance  ;D
Raymondo,
First time around i think i used to let it affect me and after a losing day would be moody but after then i was the same person and kinda became immune to it, in fact later on winning or losing defo didnt matter it was actually easier to have lost the lot in your pocket as it was going to happen anyway.
Plus in my situation i was holding down a good job which partly enabled me to come out of the other side but my head was constantly immersed with figure so my game face and the way i ran my office needed to be constant, i think for you not letting it effect you must be good in a way as your chosen career means being able to distance yourself from the swings and ££ involved can only be a good thing imo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
ITS GRIM UP NORTH!

Back up in the midlands i had taken the job as Midlands sales manager for a corporate car rental brokerage and had set up a new office in Birmingham for them and myself and Sarah had moved to Tamworth to a 5year old house, the year we had owned the flat we had made 5k and in property terms that seemed like a fortune if only we had not kept that to rent out and still bought our little modern 2 bed as well.

I was still punting my brains away mainly horses and dogs and had lost my contact with the dog man and within 3 months had lost 10k and then Sarah found out from a few phone calls that had come in from banks etc. This time as Sarah knew my Dad was willing to help out but only on a basis that i sought some help and also that Sarah's parents were informed and everyone was put in the picture.

So on a Thursday night Dad, Sarah and myself went to a Gamblers Anonymous meeting where they were taken into one room with the families and i was with the gamblers, around the room we went people standing up or sitting saying their first name and then " I am a compulsive gambler and i have not had a bet for " anything from 6months up to 18years and then it was my turn. Always up for a laugh i started off by saying "Hi my names Richard and i am most likely a compulsive gambler and i have not had a bet since the 4.38 at Monmore" which was met with silence followed by stares and then questions about why i was there that day.

Obviously i was only there as i had to and if i was turning up on my own definately would not have gone, GA was not for me infact i found it very Cult like. Im sure it has worked for some, many infact but not me and I did everything i could to make it not work for example they teach the families to take all your money away from you and access to it and you have to be given money that needs to be accounted for with receipts for what you have spent and the change in your pocket should then tally with the £10 or £20 you started with.

I would syphon off pennies, pounds by getting receipts which then got spun up on sprts betting and because i was having to be selective became quite succesfull spinning up £5 to just under £2000 before one day Sarah went out in my car and found all the money tucked away at the bottom of the golf bag and back to scratch it was along with the embarrassment of turning up at my next GA meeting ( yes i was still going ) and having to tell them i had gambled so back to week one i went. At this rate i would never get my tie pin for getting to 1 year!!

I now had what i thought would be my dream job working in the fitness industry selling Gym equipment for a big American Firm and it may well have been good if i wasnt still trying to beat the bookies but the wedding plans were still coming along and Sarah's family were still happy to commit large amounts of money as they wanted Sarah's day to be special and we were 4 months from getting married when one day whilst in the bookies just around the corner from home i bumped into a gorgeous girl working behind the counter called Kelly...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
Kelly was a brunette with a devilish streak in her and having met her once i didnt see her again for 3months when she was again working in the same bookies only this time Alan the manager came over to me and said that she had been looking out for me in other shops and all she knew was i had driven off the first time we met in a Red Golf Gti (company car).
I was only 4 weeks away from getting married but being impulsive all i knew was i wanted to take her out so a date was arranged and the next week we met up 40 miles away from where i lived and had a meal, unbeknown to me when picking her up 35 miles way from home and driving 5miles i had driven past one of our bridesmaids who had followed us and called Sarah who was now on her way over FML.

Anyway long story short on leaving the pub Sarah pulled up alongside the car and after telling her "its not what you think" and driving off it was pretty clear there would be no wedding!!

Within 3 months the property had been sold, i was renting a property in the east midlands and was then working for the bookies that Kelly worked for as a relief manager and was obviously going to end in disaster as this was in a time before the slip catcher system so i was always looking for an opportunity to have a bet which at the start was with competitors but then ended up with my own firm and again i was on a slippery slope.

The job lasted 2 years before Kelly and I drifted apart and I moved back down to Gants Hill, Ilford with a car and a few grand and i decided to let life take me where it would which was mainly William Hills across the roundabout and to Southend to play in this dungeon of a card room below sea level with the occasional forray to the midlands Jnc 10 or Luton to do the double header sat aft £10 rebuy and even after binking you could still get in the £10 pot limit rebuy but by now i had no access to credit as it was shot to pieces so was purely a cash person. I didnt do too much damage during this time as had to live within my means but had some memorable touches including my biggest ever placepot win which was £5k nearly landed a £12k touch the week after but had a banker in the last leg that was a field of 8 and was 9/4 fav with 3 rags in the field luckily for me i rang a friend and laid it for a place to win me £3k but i dont think i have ever been so disappointed winning £3k for a £40 outlay it felt like i lost £9k.

6 Months later i had run out of money and needed a job so started looking for sales roles but with a chequered CV nobody was interested as it just looked like i flitted around and changed jobs every 6months so the only sales roles available to me were in order of preference Estate Agent, Car Sales, Double glazing sales (nothing wrong with the other 2 obv) so i managed to secure a job working for a big corporate agent as a sles negotiator working in Ilford and the next chapter began...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on August 20, 2011, 02:25:43 PM
This awesome.

Best tip received (price)
Best tip given
Most expensive meal you have paid for. (may include vinni)

More to follow.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
This awesome.     THX

Best tip received (price)
3 spring to mind    A dog at Perry Barr years ago we spread the money around in loads of shops around Walsall and Birmingham and stuck it in doubles and trebles with non runners and none of the faces were at the track so the course layers let it drift to 6/1.
My favourite tip and biggest individual horse bet was on (posted on here)  Kiss a Prince 5/1 which was the stables xmas winner, it was tipped up after but never in the same way but reckon it will win around lingfield later this year.
Finally 2 years ago in the non league Chelmsford i got told that Chelmsford who had just qualified for the playoffs had all put there season bonuses on themselves to lose the last game of the season so again filled the boots in dribs and drabs and at half time they were winning 2-0 only to lose i think 5-3 in the end  6/4

Best tip given
Defo  Kiss a Prince last xmas   cant remember who said it but when it won someone posted "thank god i dont have to explain to the kids that santa is a degen"!!!

Most expensive meal you have paid for. (may include vinni)
TBH although i know Cos and a few others on here i have never been out with them to really expensive restaurants so Vinny's starter and main will be it plus thats more in ££ cos you have to sit and listen to him for an hour which any shrink would get loadsa money for  ;)

More to follow.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on August 21, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
WELL DONE WITH UR DIARY MATE..

good read, funny and str forward.

go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

 ;topman; ;topman;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2011, 07:36:52 PM
WELL DONE WITH UR DIARY MATE..

good read, funny and str forward.

go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...

 ;topman; ;topman;
TY Frankie  cant wait for yours  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 11:32:10 AM
Unlucky in not getting a seat and yeh we'll catch up at a deepstack..
@ Leatherman dont know if you saw but the guy who busted me in that satellite went on to win the whole thing he took the 30k   mbn


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 12:03:45 PM
SELLING HOUSES FOR FUN

I started off with my new firm and really hit the ground running, although Ilford the area i worked itself was not great it was quite a cushy job and my manager Derek was a punter who played the occasional game of poker so we had many trips for pokerz and also to evening racing at lingfield etc.
Workwise was good and poker wise i was still travelling around to different venues mentioned before with quite a few cashes mainly at old Luton in their regular tourneys where i even managed a 3way chop in the afternoon tourney followed by an outright win in the evening tourney which was nice but i still couldnt walk past the magic wheel without playing and most profits were wiped out in a few spins.
One Saturday evening i decided to take a drive to the midlands to play the evening comp at Jnc 10 and as i walked in really early hoping to get some food i saw Paul on the roulette he had two racks of £25s in front of him so had caught the wheel really big, so as soon as he had a losing spin off we went for some food and he gave me the £1k he owed plus £500 on top and our gambling relationship was back on.

Now that i was in work my Dad really wanted me to start paying some money off the "Red Book" so the only way he knew he would get the money was to take control of my finances, which when your a gambler is difficult as your cash is your lifeblood. I wanted to try and make it work for my Dad so we had a joint account and i was paid an allowance per month and if i spunked that away on the first day i couldnt ask for more so i actually for the first time in years started to realise the value of money plus i was saving some money at the same time and was being selective as to what i punted on which meant i had more winners than losers.

Life stayed like this for just over a year and at work i was flying and had been promoted to Branch Valuer so now i got to put houses on the market as well as sell them which double my commission and i was being talked about as being the next branch manager when an office came free so life was fairly rosy and then i received a call from my brother to say my dad had been taken to hospital as he had been passing blood and was i able to come up.

Obviously i snap left work drove up to the midlands and within a short space of time it was established that Dad had not told us of the problem and he had found out that he had the dreaded "Big C" and needed an operation that should be straight forward and then would need to be monitored.

I also was back speaking to Kelly and we were talking of getting back together which would be hard as my life was down south now and she would never up sticks and move so we embarked on a doomed from the start medium distance relationship...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 12:06:17 PM
Poker Diary entry

Binked a seat last night for deepstack in 2 weeks in first sat played.
Now means i will play with 2 bullets as would have bought in anyways so gonna play for a stack on friday and reload sat if required!!

Gotta feeling gonna go deep this month so GL me and BITB


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 22, 2011, 12:07:38 PM
Yes pal i was on the rail standing next to his pal (hewston thingy) lookalike.. Chatted to him also about you and i mentioned that i belived the story about you two being flat mates and he laughed his ass off.. He also said that you was nice chap and a good player.. He was buzzing because he had 20% in Tom who was chip leader and a worthy winner imo.. The second chip leader who had around 700K less than Tom wouldn't shift and said he wanted 30K min.. So Tom who wanted to lock up the deal gave 2K off his winnings to lock it up, said the money was really important to him and he didn't want to risk getting bummed.. (fair play to him imo) Also it was good news for my pal who i was railing, not only was he a Golden Chip winner for 15K but because the chip leaders wanted to finish the deal they gave him 10K and he snapped accepted as he had 4 bigs left.. lol (mbn)
 So glad i turned down his offer of swapping 10%.. grrrr!!! lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 12:38:59 PM
6 Months Later

Im now running an office within 18months which is virtually unheard of, still managing to live on a life float of £500 per month to include petrol and all gambling/poker, still with Kelly and am spending 3nights in Leicestershire and rest in Gants Hill and Dad seemed to be ok and the hospital are saying he needs a yearly check up but they think they caught it early so i was bound to press the self destruct button soon.

My credit had improved enough that i was able to buy a house in Coalville, Leicestershire and had actually saved up a 5% deposit to put down plus my legals and the bank lending me the money liked me enough to give me a good credit card which i accepted and loaded some money to Betfair and was backing and laying on days off but with no plan or pattern just whatever i fancied and the bug had started to get hold of me again.

The house went through and Kelly was happy, Dad was proud i was back on the ladder but i was keeping a secret about my finances as my credit card was maxed out but i could afford to up my allowance to pay it off when one day the nice ladies in the bank offered me a loan of £10k. Now i didnt need 10k or anything for that matter but i took them up on their kind offer of 5K with 3k going off the credit card and 2k into my bank account, all i remember was it was the friday before a bank holiday weekend and St Helens were playing Wigan on the monday so it was a 5/6 your choice kind of affair. IDK what the result was but my 1k stayed with the bookies and i lost the other 1k over the weekend so back to square 1 i was.

As soon as the bank opened on Tuesday i went straight in and told the girls some extra building work had shown up so i needed to top up the loan, now as i was showing £5k per month going in and they knew where i worked they credited my account and paid off the loan then topped up the difference to give me some more cash to the total of £10k so about £4.7k was added to my account. It didnt last long infact was probably done within a couple of weeks at the end i was trying to spin up some money on betfair and had layed and bet my way from £100 to 4k then put the whole lot on a basketball match late at night expecting to log in the next day and see another 10% added to my total but alas my 1/10 shot didnt win and i was bang in trouble but earning good money so knew i would get out of it as i always did.

The opportunity came when Kelly's grandparents decided they wanted to sell their home they had lived in since new in a sought after village and we placed our modern house up sale which sold in a week and as i was now a compulsive liar (these things go hand in hand when you have a gambling problem) i told Kelly we were putting down x deposit when in rality it was much less so i could pay off my debts and start again and yet again iwas free of debt, earning enough to cover my outgoings and do some work to the house and only i knew whilst all the time managing to hold down a really good job yet i knew it wouldnt be long before i had punted my way into trouble again...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 22, 2011, 12:41:32 PM
Why are you not on facebook yet? Is it because you have no friends?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
THE HOUSING BOOM BUT NOT FOR ME!!

I class myself as lucky in many ways but despite being an agent my timing is pretty rubbish as i missed the property boom due to punting my life away and then not having the ability to buy due to poor credit.

Kelly found out about the money owed on the house when a statement came through the door and it took a load of explaining and she was so pissed off due to the house needing loads of work that it started to put pressure on our relationship and i found at that time in my life i turned to the one thing i knew which was punting and was like Fck it cos when your in that casino/bookies/card room no-one really knows who is up against it or doing well and it was my release from all the pressure despite it heaping more pressure on in other areas.

To make it up to Kelly i took out a 2nd loan on the property so we could get the kitchen done/ buy her a car/ get a boob job (her not me) but i had lost the kitchen money before i had even stripped out the old one so i secretly took the worst piece of finance i have ever taken with the kitchen company and took the finance on an 8k kitchen (more later) but within 6months i was spending hardly anytime in the midlands as my relationship was crap so was paying for a house i never lived in and was driving up and down the motorway to play poker at Walsall as leaving work at 6pm i could get to their good comps by 9pm or Luton by 7.30 and was doing ok in poker then losing most of it before i got to the door and then driving back down south for work the next day. I was at my unhealthiest ever eating meals at 10pm plus the obligatory sandwich sweets redbull for the drive home coupled with 2hours sleep in the car park before shaving in the office and doing a full days work and as i was in my mid 20s could manage this for 4days on the trot then i would have 2 days to recover.
I was a mess!!!

When we eventually split up it was messy and by the time all the charges for early redemption had been applied to my accounts i was left with £456 having had 50k deposit 18months earlier plus i owed a loan credit card and this poxy 8k loan on the kitchen at an exorbitant rate which ended up costing me 20k to pay back in total so i hope the people living in my old home really enjoyed that kitchen and Kelly's new fella enjoyed the boobs as i never really got to use either of them!!  :(

My Dad had expected to see some of the cash from the sale of the house paid off the red book so was obv disappointed to find only £456 and it took some explaining but i was accomplished at this by now and i was earning £60k plus so promised to pay monthly but like most promises in those days they didnt mean a lot.

The only way i could get hold of money now was to win it or borrow it from non mainstream ways and it was at this stage in my journey where i think i was at my luckiest but it was more of a lucky to be alive...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2011, 01:12:50 PM
Why are you not on facebook yet? Is it because you have no friends?
You would try to poke me!  again


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 22, 2011, 03:19:34 PM
i had a small gambling habit when i was 20ish....

 but nothing like this.. i can relate to some of it ...but its a fantastic honest read ..please don't stop..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: maldini32 on August 22, 2011, 04:48:04 PM
Best Diary I've ever read on here.

Amazing.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: nirvana on August 22, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
Rich, I'll say again that this is a great read - what is your motivation for getting this written down ? Just nosy :-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 23, 2011, 09:44:58 AM
Rich, I'll say again that this is a great read - what is your motivation for getting this written down ? Just nosy :-)
Hey Glen,
Funny you should ask as over the weekend i was thinking wtf am i writing it all down for, then realised i actually wanted to start a diary to keep a track of a few things and give myself a challenge and instead of just writing Hi this is me off we go   blah blah blah thought it would be better to go from the start as either A) peeps on here can relate B) some maybe are in a hole now C) makes it a good start before i get really boring and become like george talking about bad beats or Pleno <3 talking about his dog!
There are a few things that i want to do in the diary once i get to the here and now so just wanted to get from AtoB first before starting at C if you know what i mean.
Thx for the compliment though  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 23, 2011, 09:51:25 AM
gfy you degenerate prick



















































<3 you really


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 23, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
WORK UPDATE
We didnt sell a house today but we didnt lose any either so all in all it wasnt a bad day!!
It was quite busy though so it felt really good in the office!!

Going to see the new planet of the apes film tonight and Petra's folks are looking after Maxwell so all is good.

See now my diary is like Pleno's  ;)

Next Degen update tomorrow!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on August 23, 2011, 08:38:57 PM
i had a small gambling habit when i was 20ish....

 but nothing like this.. i can relate to some of it ...but its a fantastic honest read ..please don't stop..

This. Fantastic read. Love the addition of punctuation.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 24, 2011, 09:19:34 AM
More Please....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
RUMBLESTRIPS AND REDBULL

So i'm now running an estate agency in Loughton for the same firm and due to the housing boom in early 2000's we are doing record sales but I'm potless with no hope of getting a mortgage again for the forseeable future and loans and credit cards coming out of my ears which are accruing charges left right and centre due to missed payments as when your gambling your life away like any drud addiction, the money to feed your habit is more important than life expenses.

My health was pretty rubbish for reasons previously stated and all i could think of was betting during the day and then leaving work to get to Walsall for the card comps and i would prior to the comp starting regularly lose 200-300 on the roulette before sitting in the comp and tilting off, playing again during the break and after having won or loss beofre setting off on the long drive down south.

Where i firstly class myself lucky to be alive is that on countless occasions despite having had 1-2 cans of Redbull my body was that tired that i would doze off at the wheel and it was only as the car would hit the rumble strips i would wake up just in time to steer away from the hard should and subsequent grass verge or the central reservation. In addition to this i would sometimes wake up right up the backside of a car or lorry infront of me having accelerated whilst asleep again waking in time before hitting them, this was scary but my addiction kept me doing it night after night.

By now i was immune to the phone calls or letters coming through the door daily and in most cases i never even opened them just put them in a drawer and burying my head in the sand, my Dad could never work out how i coped with the pressure of running a good business coupled with juggling finances and finding the time to drive and play poker and gamble but you just do.

I had some consistent results in the local comps but my mind was never on them as i was usually watching the numbers coming up on the magic wheel cursing and bemoaning my luck as it came up 8/11/29/7/0/36/36/30 and telling anyone on the table who would listen that my numbers were coming up and i was sat in this £30 f/out but no-one really cared, and i had now found a game slightly closer to home at the Westcliff Casino in Southend so was playing there as well...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 24, 2011, 12:24:22 PM
I had some consistent results in the local comps but my mind was never on them as i was usually watching the numbers coming up on the magic wheel cursing and bemoaning my luck as it came up 8/11/29/7/0/36/36/30 and telling anyone on the table who would listen that my numbers were coming up and i was sat in this £30 f/out but no-one really cared, and i had now found a game slightly closer to home at the Westcliff Casino in Southend so was playing there as well...

You liked 36 so much you bet it twice.. 29,7,30 also 3 of mine. need to get 20,14 and 22 involved though for the big bucks!

Many times the rumble strips have acted as my alarm clock, although i sometimes go over them when i am awake..

Great read. Keep up the good work.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 12:53:54 PM
LIFE CHANGING WINS!!!

As a gambler there are probably only a few occasions where you are in a position to win a life changing amount of money for a small outlay and i was in that position at Jnc 10 one night during a poker festival.

I think it was the final event of the festival probably a £100 side event whilst the main event final was gong on and i was sat to the left of Ram Vaswani in the days when "The Hendon Mob" were the only group of players to look up to, obv they had all the run good in those days and my AK was no match for AQ and as i got knocked out a Thai girl called Pham who used to date one of the players but was pretty degen herself called me over saying i needed to play roulette vs this dealer as he kept spinning the ball in the same section.

FML i was skint had no access to getting any money and had £140 in my pocket and needed to put petrol in the car, so wondering why no-one was on this table and checking out the numbers obv put my £100 down to receive 20 £5 chips to which i said "singles please".
The dealer replied "sorry its a five pound table" well this was going to have to work out quickly then.

I let the dealer spin a few times without placing a bet and yes he seemed to spin the same section 3-4 spins on the trot before moving to the other side of the wheel and as a frequent visitor realised he must be anew dealer due to the fact i didnt recognise his face. So off we went with my £100 being place on Tier section but £5 on numbers 1 & 6 just in case, BINK 16 FML as followers from the start will know 16 is the worst possible number for me infact i was lucky i even covered it and looking down it could have been game over but luckily for me i had a split with 13 so i was losing on the first spin but as Pham had said he stayed true to his tendancies and the next 3 spins sailed into Tier with the next spin giving me £5 s/up and £5 split and on we went.

After the 3rd spin i started to take chips off the table and put them in my pocket which i now realise in this instance was a BIG mistake but at the time putting 200-300-500 per spin in my pocket was the bigger objective and after the first spin of number 16 a small crowd had gathered around the table with players following me in.

I decided to carry on until my first losing spin and then would stop and this happened on the 20th spin which was 3 spins after they had taken this poor young kid off the wheel and replaced him with a pitboss, heading straight to the cash desk i had no idea how much money was in my pockets and just kept placing bundles of lovely pink £100 chips on the top until my pockets were empty bar my last £40  ;)

That £15'000 said the lady and the queue of people behind looked at me like i was Donald Trump (this was Walsall) remember so i cashed in and gave £200 to Pham as a thank you and £100 to an interesting fella called Con Cronin and went to sit in the 1-2 PLO...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 12:55:36 PM
I had some consistent results in the local comps but my mind was never on them as i was usually watching the numbers coming up on the magic wheel cursing and bemoaning my luck as it came up 8/11/29/7/0/36/36/30 and telling anyone on the table who would listen that my numbers were coming up and i was sat in this £30 f/out but no-one really cared, and i had now found a game slightly closer to home at the Westcliff Casino in Southend so was playing there as well...

You liked 36 so much you bet it twice.. 29,7,30 also 3 of mine. need to get 20,14 and 22 involved though for the big bucks!

Many times the rumble strips have acted as my alarm clock, although i sometimes go over them when i am awake..

Great read. Keep up the good work.
That was the order of numbers coming up so 36 doubled always happy days as i was told always press the last number if you had money on it for the occasions when it doubles or triples wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 24, 2011, 01:07:18 PM
lol incred


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
Having no base up North it meant staying in hotels and on this occasion i was staying at the Posthouse hotel and having got back to my room at early o'clock and due to be in Loughton after the festival at 8.30 am it meant leaving at 5.30 to gtee it down the m6/m1 so when the alarm went off up i jumped checked my 2 x £5k sealed bags and 4 x £1k bags were still on the bedside table and got in the shower.

I think i got to about Coventry on the M1 before i thought F**k it and turned straight back round driving to Walsall Manor Hospital to phone my employers up (just in case they caller id'd me) and tell them that i had been admitted to hospital with some chest pains and they were keeping me in for a few days, they were concerned and said let them know when i would be back in and i was free for a few days and i drove back to the hotel checking in for another few days of degeneracy just spending money like it was going out of fashion, busting out of tourneys and sitting in dealers choice games playing games i didnt know or understand until 15k became 10k and my extra 4day holiday was over...

It turned out to be an interesting few days as sat in the omaha game one night, the legend Mickey Wernick was on his uppers and asked if he could borrow a couple of hundo as he had done his last bullet as i was holding i said yes but wanted to know when i would get it back as i had learnt that if i liked them i would lend once and get an agreed payback date if the money came back if they needed i would lend again and if not then even if i had the cash i wouldnt lend. Mickey said a week friday would be the return date and true to his word i received the money and having been on his uppers Mickey then preceeded to win the Sunday afternoon comp in Walsall headed down to Luton and won the evening comp there finally reaching his destination of the Vic where the festival was on and he won a side event early in the week followed by a chop or outright win in the main event (cant remember) either way it was a phenominal week and one which ended with him winning the european rankings on the way to many cashes that year.

I wasnt really interested in Poker then and still didnt play higher than £100 f/outs as was enticed by the other games around and having made my way down south and lied through my teeth about how the hospital had said i had just drunk too much redbull and was completely drained so my body had just shut down i then had a very fortunate escape with 10k in my pocket one that i have never repeated...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 24, 2011, 01:53:05 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on August 24, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently

100% true.

He sometimes takes a while to find the money, but he has always paid in full, & when he's been overdue - quite often - he adds a sweeetener on top when the money eventually comes through. I must have lent him a good few bob down the years, but he repaid every single penny.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 24, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
Something has always bothered me .... why did players always give Con money?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: I KNOW IT on August 24, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently

100% true.

He sometimes takes a while to find the money, but he has always paid in full, & when he's been overdue - quite often - he adds a sweeetener on top when the money eventually comes through. I must have lent him a good few bob down the years, but he repaid every single penny.

When Mickey is carrying he can be very generous........


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 02:23:52 PM
NEVER RUN OUT OF PETROL

Having worked the day i had completely forgotten i needed petrol and having ebarked on the short journey down the m11 towards gants hill and 1/2 mile before i reached the speed camera that must earn London Borough of Redbridge hundreds of thousands per year my care ground to a halt oh and its raining.

So out i get and start to walk down the motorway knowing the closest garage is as you come off towards Gants Hill about 2miles away i see a red car pull in and wait for me.   Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   as i approach the car i realise there are 4 guys sat in it and they say in broken english with a thick european tone "Do you want lift to garage" obv its pretty difficult to say no as im wet through in a suit with 10k in my pocket but all im thinking of is getting out of this in one piece so in i get.

Keeping conversation to minimum we get to the Esso garage and i purchase a green petrol can, fill it up and they are still waiting. It turns out they work on one of these car valeting places in an old garage but live in Walthamstow which is now completely in the wrong direction so i offer the fella driving £20 to say thanks for picking me up but i cant possibly take them out of their way to which he snap declines the money and says look get in we dont have anything else to do so jump in, obv i have to jump in and they take me upto the Loughton turn to turn around and drop me back to the car and wait to make sure my car starts even running down the grass verge to pick up the green petrol can i tossed down the side as i will never need it again and i make him take the £20 to have a drink before getting in my car locking it from the inside and going home feeling like an absolute Luckbox!!

The rest of my money didnt last long its funny how quickly you can spend it when you have it and when i had next ran out i took to borrowing from sources i would never recommend even my enemies (if i had any) to borrow from...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 24, 2011, 02:26:31 PM
one more post today pls


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 02:27:13 PM
Something has always bothered me .... why did players always give Con money?
He never did any harm to me, i saw his faults very early on and i would never lend him money but in life if i had a tenner and i could see someone else needed it more than me i would happily give it to them and this was one of those occasions.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 24, 2011, 02:28:58 PM
Something has always bothered me .... why did players always give Con money?
He never did any harm to me, i saw his faults very early on and i would never lend him money but in life if i had a tenner and i could see someone else needed it more than me i would happily give it to them and this was one of those occasions.


But he is/was minted lol, I have never seen him borrow money but he was always given it? lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on August 24, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
Just sat and read this from start to finish - absolute genius.  I'm a similar age and can relate to so many of the characters, stories, spin ups, coups - but whilst more than happy to share them over a few beers not sure I'd post them on a diary.  Keep it up mate, I am hooked.  Out of interest, did you get married here or Slovakia - my best mate married a Slovak, Gabi and I was best man and had the most amazing wedding in Bratislava in 2007, was brilliant.  My sSlovak now stretchs to Dobra Dobra - prob not how you spell it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
one more post today pls
QUOTING BEFORE HE DELETES IT ^^^^   Vinny and Greeky must be jealous they dont get Dubai asking for more!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on August 24, 2011, 02:47:06 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend

Lol, he must have carried that newspaper for nigh 20 years.

He sometimes brings in an A4 manilla envelope, with all sorts of newspsaper cuttings in it. And he always tells the story of "the worst outdraw ever ever ever" in the 1991 WSOP, when the case 6 or whatever did him.

If there was one thing I could change about MW, it's his addiction to telling bad-beat stories, but there are worse faults to have. I have to bite my tongue when the youngsters serial mock him on the Updates, I think that's rather sad.

GREAT Diary Mr Slovakian A-K, loving it, keep it coming.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
MONEY LENDING

Needing to fund my habit if i had no money i had no-one to turn to interms of banks or friends or family as they had all been nipped and knew they were lending money that would be used for the wrong reasons but i had through my job met and dealt with many property investors who didnt know my past and only knew me as Richard the Agent.

So i took a big gamble and turned to a Chinese investor who had recently bought a property through us that he had made some money on and i asked him if he knew anyone who would lend some money for a 2 month period obv i knew it would cost and bluffed that i was buying a property in the midlands and didnt want to miss out on it but was a few thousand short on the deposit.

He said he would lend me the money but the interest on what i borrowed was 20% per month so on the 5k i had to pay 1k at the end of the calendar month and if i didnt pay the balance at the end of the next month it was another 1k obv if i paid him 3k the balance was 3k and the inerest would be £600 next month and so on till the figure was clear. He also made it pretty clear that if i didnt pay someone would be knocking on the door and it wouldnt be him!!

The next day he turns up with 5k and im now indebted to him, I was earning good money and had winning days as well so it was a case of making sure i had the grand at the end of the month and topped it up and within 3 months i had cleared this off and had some spare capital so i knew he would lend again and over the next year or so if i was ever light or needed to find money quickly he was a good source to have and he knew i was never ever late with a payment until....  one day i was at the end of my money in the bank and there was probably 20 days left till payday plus Cheltenham was coming up and being a sucker for the big meetings borrowed the most i had ever lent off him which was 10k.

Now this figure is quite scary as that means finding 2k in interest per month plus a bit off the capital plus im paying rent my other debts inlcuding the kitchen loan still and my 20k bank loan but being commission paid i know 1month in advance what i will be paid but after that its down to getting deals through. The first month was fine as i had had a bumper month and managed to pay off 4k so the balance was 8k but the next month i just about scraped the 2k together knocking a couple of other payments instead as HSBC dont put you in the concrete that builds motorway bridges if you knock them.

But my commission for the following month was abysmal and knowing what i was going to earn that month meant it was going to be a very difficult phone call and subsequent visit for someone....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 03:12:53 PM
Just sat and read this from start to finish - absolute genius.  I'm a similar age and can relate to so many of the characters, stories, spin ups, coups - but whilst more than happy to share them over a few beers not sure I'd post them on a diary.  Keep it up mate, I am hooked.  Out of interest, did you get married here or Slovakia - my best mate married a Slovak, Gabi and I was best man and had the most amazing wedding in Bratislava in 2007, was brilliant.  My sSlovak now stretchs to Dobra Dobra - prob not how you spell it.
Lolz nearly Claypole, yeah we got married on May 9th 2009 and got married at the Cerveny Kamen (Red Rock) Castle just outside of Bratislava with 45 English people travelling over who spoke no Slovak obv and 50 Slovaks who spoke no English but more of that later in the diary as it was paid for courtesy of a season long football acca from the lovely Totesport even though they tried to welch out of the £9k payment for an £80 bet on a technicality..

Slovak weddings pwn ours hands down you start eating drinking and dancing at 3-4pm in afternoon and the ceremony finishes at 5-6am when the band stop playing and the bride and groom are always the last to leave!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DungBeetle on August 24, 2011, 03:20:32 PM
This really is an excellent read - well done! :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 03:26:34 PM
This really is an excellent read - well done! :)
Thx dont worry i get really boring in about 2 years when i lost 3 fingers for non payment and got a king charles cavalier (tri colour) obv  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on August 24, 2011, 03:27:19 PM
You gotta finish the story now haha


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redarmi on August 24, 2011, 03:28:59 PM
I haven't been this excited about a next installment since The Wire......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 24, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
abso immense stuff, was hand in hand with you until your last entry, now you have massively knocked it up a few levels. Can't wait til the next part.

Eso Kral the Movie


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 24, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
I haven't been this excited about a next installment since The Shield......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 04:02:54 PM
Just sat and read this from start to finish - absolute genius.  I'm a similar age and can relate to so many of the characters, stories, spin ups, coups - but whilst more than happy to share them over a few beers not sure I'd post them on a diary.  Keep it up mate, I am hooked.  Out of interest, did you get married here or Slovakia - my best mate married a Slovak, Gabi and I was best man and had the most amazing wedding in Bratislava in 2007, was brilliant.  My sSlovak now stretchs to Dobra Dobra - prob not how you spell it.
Just re-read this cheeky 47 is in no way similar age  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 04:04:51 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend

Lol, he must have carried that newspaper for nigh 20 years.

He sometimes brings in an A4 manilla envelope, with all sorts of newspsaper cuttings in it. And he always tells the story of "the worst outdraw ever ever ever" in the 1991 WSOP, when the case 6 or whatever did him.

If there was one thing I could change about MW, it's his addiction to telling bad-beat stories, but there are worse faults to have. I have to bite my tongue when the youngsters serial mock him on the Updates, I think that's rather sad.

GREAT Diary Mr Slovakian A-K, loving it, keep it coming.
Thx Tikay yeah forgot about the envelope


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 04:06:24 PM
You gotta finish the story now haha
Just like women Dave keep em wanting more!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on August 24, 2011, 04:43:51 PM
Just sat and read this from start to finish - absolute genius.  I'm a similar age and can relate to so many of the characters, stories, spin ups, coups - but whilst more than happy to share them over a few beers not sure I'd post them on a diary.  Keep it up mate, I am hooked.  Out of interest, did you get married here or Slovakia - my best mate married a Slovak, Gabi and I was best man and had the most amazing wedding in Bratislava in 2007, was brilliant.  My sSlovak now stretchs to Dobra Dobra - prob not how you spell it.
Lolz nearly Claypole, yeah we got married on May 9th 2009 and got married at the Cerveny Kamen (Red Rock) Castle just outside of Bratislava with 45 English people travelling over who spoke no Slovak obv and 50 Slovaks who spoke no English but more of that later in the diary as it was paid for courtesy of a season long football acca from the lovely Totesport even though they tried to welch out of the £9k payment for an £80 bet on a technicality..

Slovak weddings pwn ours hands down you start eating drinking and dancing at 3-4pm in afternoon and the ceremony finishes at 5-6am when the band stop playing and the bride and groom are always the last to leave!!

Ewan Gabs got married in Castle, I was a typical male best man so don't know if it was that one - from memory it was fab, but did't feel like what we would call a castle.  We had the same, 45 Brits and we took over The Raddisson in the square - and all made it a week trip - it was incred.  You're right about the wedding - loads of little traditional things and Ewan had to put his foot dowen and limit gabs to two or three of them - I remember them smashing something and having to clean it up tohgether and some ridiculous ceromony with hats and shit at the end of the night - we were all battered and in absolute etitices and Gabs hasnt properly forgiven us to this day for videos we made with me commentating going "What the f*** is all this about and Ewan looks a cock in that hat".  Love Slovakia and - in a sweeping sterotypical judgement all Slovakians lol - great bunch of people from my experiences and fit as which helps


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Brings back memories
I will try and post the short version of my Wedding when we get to it in the diary but we had all the traditions and yes you break a plate and have to sweep it up to music whilst your wife holds the dustpan and your hoisted above heads on chairs wearing a farmers hat to symbolize bringing the food to the table and the wife wears a maids bonnet to show she will look after the home and kids and then you drink a shot of Slivovice (potent stuff)
Incred weddings i think we served 4 meals at ours which is pretty standard and you pre order the alcohol normally allowing 1 litre of wine per person and 1 litre spirits per person!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: titaniumbean on August 24, 2011, 05:28:09 PM
Goood read. want moarrrr imo


Loughton ftw!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 24, 2011, 05:53:17 PM
not been so intersted in a thread.....ever

more more and more.......please


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on August 24, 2011, 05:59:09 PM
Been reading this and it's amazing! Met Esso Kral at the P4H a few months back and would never have guessed at such a degenerate past lol

Absolutely jaw dropping some of this and an amazing, honest read!! Keep it comin!

Very much + 1

We should never  judge a book by it's cover.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 24, 2011, 06:07:13 PM
Been reading this and it's amazing! Met Esso Kral at the P4H a few months back and would never have guessed at such a degenerate past lol

Absolutely jaw dropping some of this and an amazing, honest read!! Keep it comin!

Very much + 1

We should never  judge a book by it's cover.

Next up, Lucky's diary of being in the Bloods.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on August 24, 2011, 06:20:32 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend

Lol, he must have carried that newspaper for nigh 20 years.

He sometimes brings in an A4 manilla envelope, with all sorts of newspsaper cuttings in it. And he always tells the story of "the worst outdraw ever ever ever" in the 1991 WSOP, when the case 6 or whatever did him.

If there was one thing I could change about MW, it's his addiction to telling bad-beat stories, but there are worse faults to have. I have to bite my tongue when the youngsters serial mock him on the Updates, I think that's rather sad.

GREAT Diary Mr Slovakian A-K, loving it, keep it coming.


this is my fav clip of mickey, see how the pot size changes.  YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNIWl8sarNs


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on August 24, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
Just read this from the start (been on holiday) and I know it's been said by others but what a great read.

It was me with the Degan Santa comment BTW - I still remember that tip too :)

Looking forward to reading more.

Do you know anything about the American property market? I viewed a couple of properties over there last week and I'm very tempted.

Stuart


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on August 24, 2011, 08:14:31 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend

Lol, he must have carried that newspaper for nigh 20 years.

He sometimes brings in an A4 manilla envelope, with all sorts of newspsaper cuttings in it. And he always tells the story of "the worst outdraw ever ever ever" in the 1991 WSOP, when the case 6 or whatever did him.

If there was one thing I could change about MW, it's his addiction to telling bad-beat stories, but there are worse faults to have. I have to bite my tongue when the youngsters serial mock him on the Updates, I think that's rather sad.

GREAT Diary Mr Slovakian A-K, loving it, keep it coming.


this is my fav clip of mickey, see how the pot size changes.  YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNIWl8sarNs

Gr8 find, Rick, that typifies Mickey when he has just taken a beat.

Loved the looks on the faces of Flushy & Graham Pound, *eyes glaze over, look for an escape*.......



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
Always heard good things with regards to Mickey and lending/borrowing- been told he is very fair, and obviously he is old school punter- used to be bookie at dogs when John Shipley was the biggest punter there apparently
I love Mickey to bits especially when he takes you to the side to tell you the stories about his Gold and Ruby ring that has been in and out of hock more times thanTikay says EPIC on Sky poker and shows you the newspaper article of when he was one of the first uk players to go to vegas!!  Legend

Lol, he must have carried that newspaper for nigh 20 years.

He sometimes brings in an A4 manilla envelope, with all sorts of newspsaper cuttings in it. And he always tells the story of "the worst outdraw ever ever ever" in the 1991 WSOP, when the case 6 or whatever did him.

If there was one thing I could change about MW, it's his addiction to telling bad-beat stories, but there are worse faults to have. I have to bite my tongue when the youngsters serial mock him on the Updates, I think that's rather sad.

GREAT Diary Mr Slovakian A-K, loving it, keep it coming.


this is my fav clip of mickey, see how the pot size changes.  YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNIWl8sarNs
Brilliant find, just dont tell George there is a thread where video'd bad beats can be posted!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on August 25, 2011, 12:28:48 AM
incred diary.

BoB



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 25, 2011, 01:56:38 PM
Next post tomorrow as today is day off work and just got back from taking Petra's folks to bus station at Victoria so they can go on the coach back to Slovakia.  24 Hours journey but they cant fly as one of them has a balance problem so bus it is, rather them than me.
Obv they all cry so gonna do some family stuff this aft and will post next few chapters during day tomorrow, footie tonight with the boys from office so always a good craic!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 25, 2011, 01:58:51 PM
We need the next installment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on August 25, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
Sick slowroll....

I opened it up thinking it would be another epic story, still at least something to look forward to tomorrow :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 25, 2011, 07:25:09 PM
Sick slowroll....

I opened it up thinking it would be another epic story, still at least something to look forward to tomorrow :D



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 26, 2011, 10:12:02 AM
The wait is killing me.. ;-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 10:41:34 AM
ESCAPE TO THE FRENCH FOREIGN LEGION!!

During the month i knew i was not going to be able to pay the interest let alone any of the balance and had tried to spin up some money for the first 2 weeks of the month but to no avail.  To be honest i was absolutely bricking it as having spoken to other people about the lender i heard when people didnt pay he was a nasty character and i genuinely feared abouot having some bones broken, i seriously contemplated just running away and starting again and even took the time to buy a book on the french foreign legion as although i was currently out of shape i knew it wouldnt take long to get in shape to pass the physical and maybe a few years away would sort me out and save some money but i had one last option.

I turned up at Grosvenor Walsall for a mini festival and played the £200 event like a scared bunny it was my last money of the month and if i didnt come top 3 what i would be paid a week later would not be enough to pay the interest on the debt and when i busted i felt physically sick, so it was a choice of running or turning up on my dads doorstep for one last shot and if he said no i was going to disappear.

I knocked the door and as soon as my dad opened it, i know he knew why i would be there as it was a Sunday morning i had slept in my car and looked scruffy, unshaven and desperate.  "Hi Dad, thought i would pop in as was in a festival last night" was my opening gambit and we sat down to catch up as when i was gambling heavily i used to not ring him or ignore his phone calls so he knew pretty much that i was going to be sat here in trouble.

We chewed the cud for a while and after an hour i broke down and confessed that i was in trouble and feared for my health if he could not help me one last time, hoping that the thought of his son being hurt would tug the heart strings enough for him to help out. I was a pretty devious character in those days and although i knew this really hurt my dad and depsite the fact i knew his health was not amazing or his own financial circumstances all in needed was the knowledge i would get hold of the money.

"How much and to who do you owe?" he said to which i replied its a property investor and 12k now i only owed 8k plus the 1600 interest but being a complete idiot and not wanting to beat my problem a little surplus on top would give me a starting roll to try and spin up and he looked at me with a tear in his eye and said "I'm sorry son but i said to myself last time i wouldnt and im going to stick to my guns"...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 26, 2011, 10:58:18 AM
Oh shit, this is amazing stuff!

Don't know if its the way ya write or just because i feel like i can really relate, but this is fantastic reading!

I have never actually read a book from start to finish but stuff like this makes me want to nip to Waterstones and pick up a thriller.

This pisses all over other diaries imo.

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 11:10:55 AM
Despite everything i said Dad was not going to lend the money to me and i left the house and apologised for letting him down and told him that i would have no option but to disappear but i would try and contact him as and when i could.  I got in the car and drove off and was about to get on the M6 to head south when my phone rang  and it was Dad asking me to go back to his house.

Now i am not proud of many of the things i did in my past and hurting my Dad the way i did for many years still does not sit right with me and later in my story i will talk about him in more detail as he was a truly great man, however all the things that i did then make me the person i am today and i dont regret my past as for example if i was 6ft 2 i would have 99% sure been a professional footballer and therefore would have shared the experiences i have in my life and therefore would not have met Petra and had the chance to have Maxwell.

Back at the house the red book was out again and Dad had added up the figures and it came to a good 20k of money that i had received and my brother had not although this would be reduced to 12k as my brother was getting married and Dad was giving him 8k towards it so my figure would come down accordingly.  Dad was working as a chauffeur for a cosmetic surgery company ferrying around mainly women from around the country to have boob jobs (nice life) and back after the op but didnt earn lots of money and his savings were tied up so he said he would take a loan out on my behalf and i had to pay double for the first few months to be ahead of the loan incase i then had a mishap, which obviously i agreed to and he then said that he wanted to meet the investor to tell them that on no occasion was i to ever be leant to again.

I was never going to let this happen so told him i would contact the guy and come back to him but thought he would only want to deal with me, 2 days later at midnight my Dad met me in the early hours of the morning on his way to pick up a patient form Southampton and he handed me the money in an envelope and said that if this ever happened again he would only have one son left.  I went back to my flat in Hornchurch a relieved man and met up with the investor the next day to pay him off and then went out and got smashed feeling so lucky to not have to run away and cause more hurt...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 26, 2011, 11:13:27 AM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 26, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Oh shit, this is amazing stuff!

Don't know if its the way ya write or just because i feel like i can really relate, but this is fantastic reading!

I have never actually read a book from start to finish but stuff like this makes me want to nip to Waterstones and pick up a thriller.

This pisses all over other diaries imo.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_96a1B-Ccw1c/TOeRYQCXcUI/AAAAAAAABPU/GCuC0oKbfe4/s1600/oliver.jpg)

My diary is much better imo, just about to update it from yday KK<<<<<AA, AK<<<AA, AK<<<<KK, gripping stuff  ;whistle;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on August 26, 2011, 11:37:17 AM
The honesty in this is truly amazing Rich. Thank you so much for sharing it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Bongo on August 26, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
The honesty in this is truly amazing Rich. Thank you so much for sharing it.

Big +1 here :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bookiebasher on August 26, 2011, 11:47:21 AM
Fascinating read Rich , keep it coming !


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 11:48:31 AM
2 WEEKS LATER

I had won a few quid here and there on sports, and a few colleagues had invited me for a night out at Harlow dogs which was local to them and we rocked up on a Weds night for a meal and couple of drinks. Having been to the track 2 of the boys wanted to buy a greyhound or two that we could run at the track and hopefully have a few touches on, so on Friday night we went back and had dinner with a trainer called Tommy Wade who said he had a couple of cheap dogs that were for sale and would be perfect and he also said that some of his owners were not really gamblers so was happy to tip us the wink when these dogs were trying and we parted with £1500 between the 3 of us for 2 dogs that had not run before at the track.

Mick had already been to his kennels so i felt at ease with this and as he left Tommy told us to back his dog in the first as it was expected to win. I stuck £200 on at 6/4 and half my dogs investment was paid back as it led round the first and won by 4 lengths, it later transpired that Tommy was reknowned for winning the first race and they were usually shorties in the betting.

As it turned out one of the dogs was rubbish and the other one had trialled better and was due for its first run on a saturday night in the second lowest grade but Tommy expected it to win, the unfortunate thing about Harlow dogs in those days was they knew which punters backed which trainers dogs and you had to work it like a military operation to get a decent amount of money on so with 4 bookies betting plus one without the fav we all waited for the show but had been told the tissue was 5's.

It opened up at 5's as per the tissue and Tommy had told us that it had had a live kill that morning and was then locked in a dark kennel so would be raring to go when the traps opened and all we needed to do was lead at the first bend. All four of us waited and then in a synchronised fashion stepped forward first of all putting £400 on at 5's and then a further £300 including £100 for Tommy at 3's before it got scrubbed due to the bookies themselves trying to lay with the others.

As the traps opened he flew out and it was all over at the first bend and i think Tommy had to explain on the improved time from the trials as it had won by to far to be normal improvement, but as a gambling kennel this was just a formality and we used some of the winnings to purchase another dog from a car park in Romford...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 12:11:08 PM
Mick had bumped into a fella who was about to be sent down and owned a few dogs that ran at Romford and needed to sell them so we purchased our most expensive dog (not that much in dog terms) who was called Moat Buddy for around £1800 now Moat was a massive dog who needed to lead or he lost interest, i cant remember the exact weight but i think he was 32kilos and dwarfed most greyhounds and had won a weak A1 (top grade) race at Romford but was prob A2 class realistically.

You cant hide a dogs previous form but Buddy was useless at Harlow and for any that know the track its cambered on the bends and dogs that have never run there before tend to just run off at the bends so as Buddy was a bang leader we were pretty disappointed with his times.

From being top grade at Romford he opened up in A7 at Harlow and was 4/7 on his debut at those prices we never had a bean on and although he should have pissed it he ran off at the bend got knocked over and finished last, he didnt win a race till we switched him to another trainer who trained at Catford and despite being told he had slightly split his webbing we found out he was down to run and he won his last race at 10/1 for us before after one more run i think we retired him due to injury.

I became immersed in the dogs at Harlow and got the videos for all the meetings along with the advance cards to really study up as you could always find one or two that looked to be good things, but although i was winning at Harlow i was still losing elsewhere and it didnt take long before i was back on the phone to the money lender to bring me some ££££

Due to the fact i was a good payer and had a good job if i needed money it was nice to know that having made a call normally within 2 hours a car would turn up and i would just be handed some money and i never thought at that time about the paying back bit so i collected my 5k from the window of the car and said i would see him at the end of the month...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Tonji on August 26, 2011, 12:18:09 PM
The honesty in this is truly amazing Rich. Thank you so much for sharing it.


Tremendous  ;hattip;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 26, 2011, 12:29:38 PM
 ;tightend; ;applause; gripping read rich!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 26, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
I need the day to go fast today can't wait to get home to read this .......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 26, 2011, 12:47:37 PM
Omg I am in the q at screwfix reading this it's amazing read ......balls my order just came thru


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 26, 2011, 12:53:07 PM
It's ok there a que at burger van.....
Hello my name is lee and I'm addicted to this thread


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Delboy on August 26, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
;tightend; ;applause; gripping read rich!

Absolutely!

Keep it coming 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
SOMETIMES IM A LUCKBOX

A few months passed and i was making my payments to my dad and and servicing the debt to the investor when we had a really bad month and again i knew i would struggle to meet my ends meet so was trying to work out what to knock as i owed 3.5k to the investor needed to pay £600 to my dad plus all my other debts (yes i was still paying for the kitchen in my old house that i hadnt owned for 2years) but even though i had little or no free money i would still gamble and i remember it was a day off as usual i was up early and had got the racing post to read through and been to the gym and was sat in my local William Hills putting on a few placepots to try and win a few quid.

PLACEPOTS FTW
The meeting was Goodwood not a big meeting but i had done a couple of straight line bets and a perm (for those that dont know a place pot is where you need to get a horse placed in the first six races at the meeting and if there are 4 runners you need the winner, 5/6/7 runners first 2places, 8-15 runners your horse in the first 3 and 16 runners as long as its a handicap first 4 places. There is a pool of money created from the bettors and at the end the money left is divided into this figure minus the tote deduction giving a dividend to the £) and by the 4th race it was going to pay fairly well and i was running to a line of £8 with 2 bankers in the last 2 races and my perm had doubled up twice with 3runners in the 5th race and 2 in the last.

It was likely to pay good as the favourites were not placed and when i sailed through the 5th race with my banker which was in the perm also i walked up to Ladbrokes as they can show you on the screen how much is running onto the horses in the next race so you can work out what it will pay to pretty much the £.  Going into the last race i really wanted the banker horse to come in as that meant i scooped both bits of the bet but i need'nt have worried as they both came in the first 3 and i sat quietly in my chair working out how much was on each horse taking out the deduction to find that i would be collecting just under £6750 for an outlay of £38.

Obviously the bookies didnt hold that amount of money and offered a cheque which i snap refused and i waited till the next day to collect the cash before driving straight round to the investors to pay the 3.5k plus 20% interest telling myself this would be the last time i would put myself in that position again...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 26, 2011, 01:33:26 PM
It's just scary to read this, absolutely brutal. Gripping read though.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 26, 2011, 01:55:00 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 26, 2011, 01:58:49 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?

And the millions of companies you see advertising with higher interest rates than your loanshark?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 26, 2011, 02:00:16 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?

Old Rich
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 26, 2011, 02:07:42 PM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 02:17:28 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?
Well people who go to them for money do know the consequences of non payment but at the same time the people lending probs dont want someone who wont be able to pay therefore a long long stay in hospital is not good for them.
Its mostly gonna be degens who borrow of them though as why pay 20% monthly??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 26, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?
Well people who go to them for money do know the consequences of non payment but at the same time the people lending probs dont want someone who wont be able to pay therefore a long long stay in hospital is not good for them.
Its mostly gonna be degens who borrow of them though as why pay 20% monthly??

In 20 years time if Maxwell said he was gonna be a moneylender would you be ok with it?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on August 26, 2011, 02:27:27 PM
20% per month is actually very good for instant access to cash.

An arranged overdraft with Halifax costs £1 per day "to make it easy for our customers".

Doesn't take a genius to work out that that's bloody expensive if you slip over by a few quid by mistake.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 02:38:36 PM
Rich, what do you think of these moneylenders/loansharks?
Well people who go to them for money do know the consequences of non payment but at the same time the people lending probs dont want someone who wont be able to pay therefore a long long stay in hospital is not good for them.
Its mostly gonna be degens who borrow of them though as why pay 20% monthly??

In 20 years time if Maxwell said he was gonna be a moneylender would you be ok with it?
If you mean he is the one doing the lending then i would say yes as i know some business people who sometimes need to lay their hands on good amounts of money and although it may cost them if its not for degen reasons then it makes sense to do it.
Obv i wouldnt be happy to find out he was a leg breaker but thats not gonna happen cos as soon as he can hold a mouse he starts to work with Pleno  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on August 26, 2011, 02:52:38 PM
do you want him to be a footballer?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
COMING OF AGE

By now i was approaching the age of 30 and had probably for the first time in 10 years realised i had nothing to show for my life except a trail of destruction and hurt but i was still gambling when i had a day off and playing poker around either Southend, Walsall or Luton with the occasional visit to Brighton for a side event at a festival but the game at Southend was where i played mostly and they had a £20 rebuy every Weds and Sunday that i played in.

The card room itself was downstairs with no air con and small round tables like they used to have at Old Luton unless you made the final table in which case you sat on a dealer dealt table, it used to be a good mix of people in there and there were always 60-70 runners so a good pot was built with most players going there happy to pull up £100+ and sometimes you would see the real degens with £240 worth of buyins and the last 3 hands used to be carnage.

Not long after i started playing there they moved the room to the smaller side of the casino ( they hold 2 of the 3 licences granted for Southend and presumably are keeping the one active just incase any real development and a marina are put in on the front itself, whereby they will open a 3rd casino in the town) which was a bigger room with no air con that in the winter is freezing cold and in the summer boiling hot.  The games were ok and due to the fact that in a long while i didnt have a g/f or significant other i would venture down and play the comp plus the house games before, during the break and after busting the comp and in the early days i made the odd final but normally had blinded away to get there and then bust out in 6-9th place for a small profit.

I had started to read books like the Harrington books but you could never really apply them to our game as the comps were never really deep enough so like today many local donkaments became shove fests and you need to win 4-5 60/40's or vica versa from 20 players down to make a f/t.

The cash game consisted of the same 5-6 players waiting for value and at that time the winners in the game were Rob Huntley, John Gale (not the famous one), Ian turner and Paul Siddle who the old boys saw as an internet player but he was IMO the best player of them all. I never really played cash with them as in those days i felt out of my league and also was just a tournament donkey and one day whilst playing the comp i laid eyes on someone who would change my life forever!!!

Petra was a valet at the casino fetching drinks for the players and when i first saw her i thought she was stunning and had that sexy eastern european accent as she asked you what you wanted, loads of players used to try and chat her up or ask her out and she always said the same thing "sorry im not allowed to date customers". I just carried on and was now playing pretty much exclusively at Southend with a bit of Luton and was on one of the worst runs i had been through in tournaments and because i was trying to be disciplined had started a diary to check what i won and lost on during the year.

I was about to have a break from poker as on the 16th feb i had played 25 tournaments and out of the 25 had gone deep in 20 of which i had lost in 14 of them to 2 outers on the turn or river (in before anyone says im sounding like george) when with 10 days to go till payday and with £250 to last till then i decided to give it one last shot at the £20 rebuy.....



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 03:22:20 PM
do you want him to be a footballer?
I would be more than happy for him to be a footballer but i think i would guide him that he needs an education as well, cos there are no gtees even when you get signed only 1/10-15 kids that are yts (in my day) or academy students probs ever make it and when you dont you struggle to replace that buzz.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on August 26, 2011, 03:25:42 PM
It's just scary to read this, absolutely brutal. Gripping read though.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: dik9 on August 26, 2011, 03:43:18 PM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 03:47:30 PM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.
I remember the China Palace well and fortunately for me i was always on my own dime in there. Nice food though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 26, 2011, 04:38:34 PM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.
I remember the China Palace well and fortunately for me i was always on my own dime in there. Nice food though!!

+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.

Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 26, 2011, 04:54:57 PM


+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.
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Sounds like you should start a diary!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 26, 2011, 04:57:55 PM


+1 on the food

Back in the early 90's there used to be an old chinese chap called Alwyn (spelling?) who took a shine to me at China Palace and always insisted on me joining him for dinner which the casino used to comp for him and after a while they extended the offer of food to me. This all came to an abrupt end when they banned me for turning my last £15 into just shy of £10k. This really peed me off as I'd done circa £150k in 2 years there.Rich I think we were introduced briefly at DtD a couple of months back but I'm surprised I never knew you before as Walsall used to be one of my haunts.

Brilliant thread this by the way.
Sounds like you should start a diary!!
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I could never write as well as you plus I was never that much of a degen. It was all my own money, just didn't know the value of it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on August 26, 2011, 06:22:18 PM
diary is amazing. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 26, 2011, 08:18:49 PM
Gripping stuff Rich.

I have  known a fair few people who have got themselves in deep doodoo with Far-Eastern moneylenders and it's not funny at all. At one point there were around half a dozen of them who used to hang around in Gala Nottm. waiting for folk to go busto on the tables. It was so blatantly open that I was always amazed the management stood for it.



There's one I know of now who's in big big trouble from these guys. Obv it's his fault he fucked up so consistently (degens gonna degen) but he's now in so deep that all his avenues for making payments/getting out are dried up it's very worrying that something real bad will happen to him or his loved ones. It's come close already.

I have to be careful what I say here, but remember the murders of the family of 4 in Northampton? The image of the suspect involved is quite familiar to me from my days at China Palace, never gambled himself and had a completely different name. The casino itself was run by Triads but not on the face of it, our GM was paid off by them and if ever the head triad wanted a private meeting he just used to click his fingers and the GM would offer him his office. Casino's should never allow money lenders, but there is/was a dark side to them that no one would see.

There were a couple of people from that era around ten years ago who died in mysterious road-accidents after having disagreements or differences of opinion with that group. Mr Kau who was a regular in all of the Nottm. Gala tourneys and cash-games for one. Of course it might well have been mere coincidence.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on August 27, 2011, 03:50:20 AM
Definitely one of the most thought provoking threads I have read on any forum!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 27, 2011, 11:27:57 AM
When i first played with you in a tourney you 4 bet jammed 89 of hearts then u got looked up by ak

as you lost you mumbled to me i know how to fold ak

would you ever ak in that spot? or in a tourney


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 27, 2011, 11:48:23 AM
one more "episode" before i have to leave to play apat....please


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 12:46:08 PM
When i first played with you in a tourney you 4 bet jammed 89 of hearts then u got looked up by ak

as you lost you mumbled to me i know how to fold ak

would you ever ak in that spot? or in a tourney
I thought the only time we played together was day 2 when i was shortie and having raise folded twice had to raise call it off against R.Hortons AQ but i get there otr, then you raise utg with AKhh and i overjam AA and you say "i'm never folding this against you having seen your 89"  rotflmfao

Edit as writing this i remember now    yeah it was like level 8 or something and i was chipped up but had not been on table long, i think that was more of a fml as your correct i never put AK down in that spot with the pot laying 2-1 infact it was a terra bad push tbh looking back.

You turned to me and said "Do you play on the internet"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 27, 2011, 12:59:10 PM
Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 01:01:35 PM
Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.
Hi Herbie, nice to see you back m8.  Your correct in your assumption but i never did and was never really in a relationship and didnt have kids till 5months ago, and since i have been with Petra have calmed down a bit.

You in Notts next weekend?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 27, 2011, 02:44:35 PM
Please come say hello to me next weekend at deepstack names and faces and all that


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 03:04:54 PM
£100 TO £10'000 IN 11 LOCAL TOURNAMENTS

So i sat in the £20 rebuy on a weds night and things seemed to change as approaching the FT i had plenty of chips and was pushing the bubble in fact i didnt want the bubble to burst as i was accumulating and skated into the final table as CL, let the shorties knock each other out and then 4 handed with the blinds pretty high and now only being a losing flip from being shortie so we dealt and took £1200 each and called it a night.  I went back for what was beginners night £5r on Thursday and bust out then final tabled the next 9 tournaments in a row and in 7 of them either won it outright or dealt for figures i was happy with.

My views on F/T deals are im happy to do them if i think its correct for me at the time if not play on.  As we stand today despite only making 1 FT in the DTD300 i dont think i would deal unless as a shortie i was offered an obscene deal, so when im on the ft next week please remind me of this!!!  ;)

Not being a person who liked to keep money in banks at the time due to only being able to withdraw £300 at a time i resorted to keeping it in bundles of £1000 and putting it in socks, underwear infact anywhere around the flat so i could draw on it if required.  Work was ok but i didnt really enjoy the office i worked in as had moved office to Chadwell Heath and it was a horrible area due to the fact you couldnt have confidence in buyers so we would sell each house to 2-3 different parties and then hope 1 was able to get a mortgage offer and the deal through.

Due to the fact i was holding some cash all of a sudden i was putting £500 doubles on the football and winning and my roll was growing and as i approached the start of March i had approx 15k in the flat when after final tabling another donkament whilst cashing in at the cash desk and counting out my money Petra was stood by the side of me waiting to cash her tips for the night and said "Are you Rich?".....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 03:06:11 PM
Please come say hello to me next weekend at deepstack names and faces and all that
Will do defo, remember on page 2-4 you said and i quote "come and slap me bald heeeeeeeed and say its meeeeeeeeeeee"  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 27, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
Absolutely amazing read mate. Keep up the good work! Ill come say hi if I ever see you at DTD


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 03:33:15 PM
Absolutely amazing read mate. Keep up the good work! Ill come say hi if I ever see you at DTD
Yeah cool we met at Gala Notts when you were dealing that mad omaha game and i was stood behind Mitch and Cos knocking it in every hand.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 27, 2011, 03:37:19 PM
Absolutely amazing read mate. Keep up the good work! Ill come say hi if I ever see you at DTD
Yeah cool we met at Gala Notts when you were dealing that mad omaha game and i was stood behind Mitch and Cos knocking it in every hand.

Mitch knocked it in, I won.

Just wanted to say it because it'll probably be the only time ever it happens that way round.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Absolutely amazing read mate. Keep up the good work! Ill come say hi if I ever see you at DTD
Yeah cool we met at Gala Notts when you were dealing that mad omaha game and i was stood behind Mitch and Cos knocking it in every hand.

Mitch knocked it in, I won.

Just wanted to say it because it'll probably be the only time ever it happens that way round.
^^ can confirm in live pokerz scandal  greekstein did win and Mitch knocked in his own and Cos's £££


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 27, 2011, 03:42:29 PM
Oh yeah forgot about that night lol. Probably my funniest moment ever dealing.

Cos facing a £200 pot bet on a random flop. Stares at me for around 30 seconds before I tell him that its on him. "I know, Im getting a read". 15 seconds later he looks me dead in the eyes, says "I think your bluffing, I call".

I laughed pretty damn hard lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 27, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoImizvsj5w
 
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
Oh yeah forgot about that night lol. Probably my funniest moment ever dealing.

Cos facing a £200 pot bet on a random flop. Stares at me for around 30 seconds before I tell him that its on him. "I know, Im getting a read". 15 seconds later he looks me dead in the eyes, says "I think your bluffing, I call".

I laughed pretty damn hard lol
Cos is a legend, it will be such a shame if he is not at his own leaving bash weekend imo!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on August 27, 2011, 04:30:08 PM
Oh yeah forgot about that night lol. Probably my funniest moment ever dealing.

Cos facing a £200 pot bet on a random flop. Stares at me for around 30 seconds before I tell him that its on him. "I know, Im getting a read". 15 seconds later he looks me dead in the eyes, says "I think your bluffing, I call".

I laughed pretty damn hard lol
Cos is a legend, it will be such a shame if he is not at his own leaving bash weekend imo!
Just make a Cos , Guy Fawkes style and get a pic in every boozer with the fittest birds in there.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 04:30:49 PM
Oh yeah forgot about that night lol. Probably my funniest moment ever dealing.

Cos facing a £200 pot bet on a random flop. Stares at me for around 30 seconds before I tell him that its on him. "I know, Im getting a read". 15 seconds later he looks me dead in the eyes, says "I think your bluffing, I call".

I laughed pretty damn hard lol
Cos is a legend, it will be such a shame if he is not at his own leaving bash weekend imo!
Just make a Cos , Guy Fawkes style and get a pic in every boozer with the fittest fattest birds in there.
fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 27, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.
Hi Herbie, nice to see you back m8.  Your correct in your assumption but i never did and was never really in a relationship and didnt have kids till 5months ago, and since i have been with Petra have calmed down a bit.

You in Notts next weekend?
Bury my mum Thursday and Catharines birthday Saturday but am still thinking I could play Friday night, but even that's a bit doubtful honestly.  Really enjoyed reading this during the ban. Ty very much


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2011, 06:50:46 PM
Lol. Going toe to toe with the Ho.
Great read Richard. Super stuff and gripping. Did you ever take a kicking coz most of the lenders threaten family as it's hard for you to make a payment from a hospital bed. Threatening a degen  gamble has very little effect but put the kids and wife in the mix it's suprising how often they magic up some money.
Hi Herbie, nice to see you back m8.  Your correct in your assumption but i never did and was never really in a relationship and didnt have kids till 5months ago, and since i have been with Petra have calmed down a bit.

You in Notts next weekend?
Bury my mum Thursday and Catharines birthday Saturday but am still thinking I could play Friday night, but even that's a bit doubtful honestly.  Really enjoyed reading this during the ban. Ty very much
Your welcome m8, be good to see you but sounds like you have a lot on next weekend. Been there myself m8 as you will see if you keep reading......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 28, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
Hi Rich, been following this epic, Remebered last night where u got Eso Kral from whilst playing the side event at Cov last night, got it in 6 x and held up on each occasion, day 2 today and chip Daddy, mbn, Jason, thoughts are with you next week pal.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 28, 2011, 08:36:55 AM
Ty flush. Good luck today. Anyone know where the blogs are for Goliath and apat. Can't find anything in live events


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Doobs on August 28, 2011, 09:47:42 AM
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/en/Prizes/LiveEventBlog/

Simon Deadman leading


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 28, 2011, 09:49:58 AM
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/en/Prizes/LiveEventBlog/

Simon Deadman leading

GOGOGOGOGO Simon.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on August 28, 2011, 09:52:18 AM
Ty flush. Good luck today. Anyone know where the blogs are for Goliath and apat. Can't find anything in live events

APAT do their own,http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?board=15.0 .    day 1b here http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=9502.0;topicseen.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 28, 2011, 01:03:01 PM
http://www.grosvenorukpokertour.com/en/Prizes/LiveEventBlog/

Simon Deadman leading

GOGOGOGOGO Simon.
This ^^^  it used to be more fun waiting for the Deadman Spew though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 28, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
Defo better watching him crush and get chips!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on August 28, 2011, 03:21:22 PM

Petra was stood by the side of me waiting to cash her tips for the night and said "Are you Rich?".....


Whenever a good looking bird asks me this question I always find that "yes" is the best line to get me where I want to be.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on August 28, 2011, 04:38:18 PM

Petra was stood by the side of me waiting to cash her tips for the night and said "Are you Rich?".....


Whenever a good looking bird asks me this question I always find that "yes" is the best line to get me where I want to be.

nh


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on August 29, 2011, 06:30:53 AM
Enthralling read mate. just read the whole lot in one go and feel a little.bit sick every time u tell a tale.

Few questions....

What advice would.you.give to a first.time buyer whos self employed for 1 year?

Any.ways around getting a mortgage?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
Hi Rich, been following this epic, Remebered last night where u got Eso Kral from whilst playing the side event at Cov last night, got it in 6 x and held up on each occasion, day 2 today and chip Daddy, mbn, Jason, thoughts are with you next week pal.
Thx   how did day2 go?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Enthralling read mate. just read the whole lot in one go and feel a little.bit sick every time u tell a tale.

Few questions....

What advice would.you.give to a first.time buyer whos self employed for 1 year?

Any.ways around getting a mortgage?


pm sent Girgles


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2011, 11:40:55 AM
Forward to me one time?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 29, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
waiting!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2011, 11:45:52 AM
ARE YOU RICH?

"Well by name yes" i replied and Petra said "What like Richie Rich?", (see told you it would get like Pleno's diary) and off we went. For the next few weeks we exchanged pleasantries whenever i was playing there and when there all i could think of was 'How can someone so beautiful look so miserable?
One night whilst sat in a cash game another person involved in property passed me a property magazine they had been working on so i could give them some feedback and when Petra came over for drinks she asked if she could have a read whilst on her break.
"Only if you put your number in it for me" and when i got home that night i checked and checked but she hadnt  :(

1 week later and after a few more conversations i plucked up the courage to ask her out and i got macked off with the same line i had heard before "sorry i am not allowed to date customers", now working in sales you should never give up at the first objection which is what 80% of sales people do as if you try to overcome the objection and ask again 80% of customers give up!!
So when she came over later and no-one was listening i said i know she couldnt date customers but if she could would she come out with me to which she replied yes and it was now just a case of how i would convince her to.

I wont go into the lengths that it took as even my hero Pleno will disown me but 1 week later we went out on a date and carried on seeing each other whenever we could, anyone who has ever dated a casino or the like employee will now they obv work till ealry hours so when you have a mainstream job you get a few hours here and there.

In the early days i was still playing poker every night and gambling on sports horses you name it and in true gambler fashion you kinda resent spending money that in your eyes is the fuel on normal life stuff like food and clothes but i found a balance.  It was quite hard when playing poker to listen to the comments  as she was working but i soon learnt to bite my tongue as no-one in the card room knew we were dating and we wanted to keep it that way for now but it was difficult all the same.
Probably the worst i heard was when one of the young guys there who played snooker at a very high level and only drank milk asked for a glass and when Petra bought over the glass a player who was pretty low life  said "oh i will have a glass of milk then please if your producing" and as her english was not 100% she never got the joke and a few mins later brings over a glass.
That night after we met up i explained what  he had said and Petra said if she had know she would have accidently tripped as she got to the table and spilt it all over him, whilst the comments were hard i soon learnt to say nothing and remember it was me who was going home with her at 4.30 when she finshed...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 29, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
I reckon a few people will be using the "if you could, would you" line at DTD over the next coming weeks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 29, 2011, 11:53:49 AM
Definatley been in this position mate. Was dating a dealer from one of the casinos not long back. Definately had to hold back on more than a few occasions


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on August 29, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
Definatley been in this position mate. Was dating a dealer from one of the casinos not long back. Definately had to hold back on more than a few occasions

How big was he??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 29, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Definatley been in this position mate. Was dating a dealer from one of the casinos not long back. Definately had to hold back on more than a few occasions

How big was he??

Youve lost me XD. Am I slow?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on August 29, 2011, 12:14:56 PM
Definatley been in this position mate. Was dating a dealer from one of the casinos not long back. Definately had to hold back on more than a few occasions

How big was he??

Youve lost me XD. Am I slow?

Yes.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
ITS EASY TO SPEND MONEY!!

Well when your batting out of your league and your out to impress you need some new threads ( even Alex bought some new jeans after winning the Monte Carlo) and its amazing how quickly money goes when your having fun and 15k rapidly became 10k which became 5k and hovered around that figure for a while.

My brother was about to get married to a girl he had been with for 8 years and 3weeks before the wedding it was my Dads 60th birthday and he wanted us all to get together for a meal, we dont have a massive family - Mum and Dad split up when we were 12 and they didnt speak much at all as after 1 hour together on Christmas day you could see why they had split up. My Mum is Maltese and half of her brothers and sisters (8 total) live in England and the other half still in Malta but this was on my Dads side where there is only one other set of relatives (my Dads cousin and her family) who would be there for this meal.

Petra and i had been dating (courting for you Tikay) for about 2months and she was pretty nervous although she had no reason to be as they most definately approved and everything went well with my Dad pulling me to one side telling me she was a keeper and he was glad i was starting to get back on my own 2 feet.

My brother and I didnt really get on at the time as due to the fact he lived in the midlands and i had left home at 16 and only been back for probs 6months total was around to see the pain I had caused my Dad over the years and with Dad suffered from 2 heart attacks and having had triple heart bypass along with the more recent bladder cancer i could understand his dislike of me but he had still asked me to be his best man and I am sure he would say I did a great job on the day which went really well with again Petra being a real hit amongst family and friends.

After 4months Petra's rent on a shared house was up and i could leave my place when i wanted and we agreed although it was early to move in together in Southend and see how we got on with no pressure and if it didnt work it was only a lttle flat by the sea at £425 pcm so wouldnt cost a lot to get out of it and in we moved.

I was still gambling nearly within my means and had been banned from the Westcliff Casino as we told them we were moving in together and they looked through the traffic book to see i only really played poker there so there was no value letting me carry on playing there nad i had resorted to "The Rendezvous" casino down the road and Luton again but i was on rocky terms with my Dad as he wanted me to up my payments on the book due to the fact he had now retired and wanted to build up his nest egg.  I cant remember how it happened but one day we got to a point where we agreed that we would not be speaking again ( obv it was a money discussion) and i remember thinking ok i really need to stand on my own 2 feet and prove to my Dad that i could do this without having to lean on him and although we were both really hurt by this I actually believe without this happening I would have carried on down the rocky road...



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2011, 12:48:46 PM
Definatley been in this position mate. Was dating a dealer from one of the casinos not long back. Definately had to hold back on more than a few occasions

How big was he??

Youve lost me XD. Am I slow?
I think Craig wants to know what HIS name was you were dating so he can make sure he wasnt being 2timed!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 29, 2011, 01:45:00 PM
I actually had to text Sean to ask what Craig meant LOL. In my defence, Sean dated her too lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 29, 2011, 02:04:31 PM
Pic of petra needed that's bigger than 0.5cm by 0.5cm. Kthx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
In my defence, Sean dated her too lol

Mugs


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 29, 2011, 02:08:47 PM
Pic of petra needed that's bigger than 0.5cm by 0.5cm. Kthx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
Pic of petra's fit friend who is single and likes married men needed that's bigger than 0.5cm by 0.5cm. Kthx

FYP


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on August 29, 2011, 05:05:31 PM
Both pics will do.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Both pics will do.

together preferably ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 29, 2011, 06:01:06 PM
Pic of Petra's single fit friend, who likes men with a penis that's not larger than 0.5cm x 0.5cm. Thanks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 29, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Pic of Petra's single fit friend, who likes men with a penis that's not larger than 0.5cm x 0.5cm. Thanks.
Lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 29, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Hi Rich, been following this epic, Remebered last night where u got Eso Kral from whilst playing the side event at Cov last night, got it in 6 x and held up on each occasion, day 2 today and chip Daddy, mbn, Jason, thoughts are with you next week pal.
Thx   how did day2 go?

cashed but not as big as i wanted had 300k utg shoves with Snowmen for 120k i snap with qq in bb (mbn) turned straight on me, shove ak walk into kk, built back up then shove 100k 10 4 on button and walk into qq. cashed and trebled cash on cash tables.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 29, 2011, 11:11:26 PM
and i know what Petra looks likes, easily bribed!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on August 30, 2011, 02:11:23 PM
Going to Wimbledon dogs tonight. I am a complete newb. What do you suggest i do to try and maximise my chances of doing well. Any beginner tips? Aside from the obvious of leave it alone!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on August 30, 2011, 02:13:57 PM
Going to Wimbledon dogs tonight. I am a complete newb. What do you suggest i do to try and maximise my chances of doing well. Any beginner tips? Aside from the obvious of leave it alone!

a good aftershave, new threads, good manners and no corny chat up lines.......u'll do fine :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Sighmuns on August 30, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
Hey Eso, just thought I'd echo all the others and say thanks for making the effort to share all this, a seriously riveting read.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on August 30, 2011, 05:42:10 PM
In my defence, Sean dated her too lol

Mugs

*Jugs


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on August 30, 2011, 06:13:22 PM

Fair


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on August 30, 2011, 06:51:24 PM

Wp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 30, 2011, 08:01:12 PM
Going to Wimbledon dogs tonight. I am a complete newb. What do you suggest i do to try and maximise my chances of doing well. Any beginner tips? Aside from the obvious of leave it alone!
Sorry if its to late Ant but i would just play forecasts and tricasts prob £6 per race and get drunk  a couple of returns and you have a free night  GL ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 30, 2011, 08:02:37 PM
Hey Eso, just thought I'd echo all the others and say thanks for making the effort to share all this, a seriously riveting read.
Thx Greg, will put next chapter up tomorrow and some photos for the rest tomorrow night..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on August 30, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
Going to Wimbledon dogs tonight. I am a complete newb. What do you suggest i do to try and maximise my chances of doing well. Any beginner tips? Aside from the obvious of leave it alone!
Sorry if its to late Ant but i would just play forecasts and tricasts prob £6 per race and get drunk  a couple of returns and you have a free night  GL ;)

Sound advice.

Lost 80 pounds. Not the end of the world but wish I saw your advice sooner! 25/1 shot won the big race tonight, had loads of people going mental here with a cheeky punt on that!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Redbull on August 30, 2011, 11:36:51 PM
Very good and honest blog. Keep it coming!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 30, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
Hey Eso, just thought I'd echo all the others and say thanks for making the effort to share all this, a seriously riveting read.
Thx Greg, will put next chapter up tomorrow and some photos for the rest tomorrow night..

The following conversation took place over dinner last night in Malta*

Greg: Started reading that Eso Kral diary today

Vinny: Yeah? What you think?

Greg: It's shit

Vinny: Yeah, I know, I agree

Greg: Can I post it's shit?

Vinny: NO!!

Greg: Why?

Vinny: Cause he will stop taking me out for dinner. Post summit like ' Hi mate, just started reading, and it's awesome' other wise he will know that we have been discussing it, and he will get the hump.

Greg: Sigh, OK Vinny. Another beer?

Vinny: Yeah, cheers.

















* Some of the above conversation may or may not be true ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 31, 2011, 07:44:35 AM
ffs i never logged on last night
logged on before work expecting at least 3 more entries .....shit diary now.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 31, 2011, 09:05:06 AM
Hey Eso, just thought I'd echo all the others and say thanks for making the effort to share all this, a seriously riveting read.
Thx Greg, will put next chapter up tomorrow and some photos for the rest tomorrow night..

The following conversation took place over dinner last night in Malta*

Greg: Started reading that Eso Kral diary today

Vinny: Yeah? What you think?

Greg: It's shit

Vinny: Yeah, I know, I agree

Greg: Can I post it's shit?

Vinny: NO!!

Greg: Why?

Vinny: Cause he will stop taking me out for dinner. Post summit like ' Hi mate, just started reading, and it's awesome' other wise he will know that we have been discussing it, and he will get the hump.

Greg: Sigh, OK Vinny. Another beer?

Vinny: Yeah, cheers.

















* Some of the above conversation may or may not be true ;)
Look we both know i only started this diary so that whilst you were in Malta people would start reading mine and when you decide to come back they can revert back to yours "the second best diary behing Alex's"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 31, 2011, 04:57:33 PM
THE NEXT 2 YEARS

As i have been brutally honest about my past i see no reason to stop now as one of the topics i will go through in a short while has touched a few on here recently.

The next 2 years i kept myself to myself and unfortunately for the degen story lovers i didnt get myself in any holes mainly down to the fact that in my time with Petra she had told me about how hard life was in Slovakia and how until she had come to England she had never even had a Mcdonalds.  Petra had made things very clear from the off that she didnt want to be a with a gambler and to have to worry about money and as i was seriously batting out of my league she seemed to change my way of thinking and i started to learn the value of money, yes i was having a punt but nothing that put my normal life at risk but despite the fact i was paying off my debts which at the height of my addiction i had unsecured debts of circa £60'000 all down to gambling!!

It took me 3 1/2 years to pay them all off and i only got one reduction of £1500 on one of them when i settled early after a football win but i did it and now i wanted to try a re-establish contact with my Dad, however he was having none of it and flatly refused any contact despite my brother and one other relative saying they thought it would be good for us. By this time Petra and myself had got engaged and for 6months i tried to contact him by writing even sending him an invite to our Slovak wedding but all i got told was he is not interested and i received a letter saying he would not be attending our wedding.

Then a month later, out of the blue i received a phone call from Dad saying he would like to meet me for lunch if i fancied a drive up so off i went. I dont know why but i had a feeling my Dad had chosen this moment to bring me back into his life for a reason that was soon to be revealed...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 31, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
Thank feck that this has taken a more positive turn. Keep the updates coming mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on August 31, 2011, 05:08:24 PM
Thank feck that this has taken a more positive turn. Keep the updates coming mate.

Think your timing might be off Boldie... I'm guessing there are more negatives to come shortly before some positives....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on August 31, 2011, 05:13:33 PM
Thank feck that this has taken a more positive turn. Keep the updates coming mate.

Think your timing might be off Boldie... I'm guessing there are more negatives to come shortly before some positives....


Yeah, suppose so....hope they won't all be self inflicted again though...I almost wince every time I open this diary, but simply have to read it.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 31, 2011, 05:18:12 PM
MY DAD

He was a really generous person to family and friends with not just monetry things but the most important comodity of all "Time" and he was liked by all.  Initially he was an engineer working for Rolls Royce on aircraft engines before working his way up to MD of a big organisation until after a couple of heart attacks and a triple heart bypass he found himself like many "Too Old" for companies to look at him so he started taking downward steps and working towards his retirement.

He was a very frugal man and most of all wanted his two sons to benefit from his hard work like he had his father but wanted us to appreciate it and not waste it which if timings were a year or so different would have been the case.

We met up for a pub lunch on a sunday afternoon in July and considering how we left each other the previous conversation it was very relaxed, we chatted about Petra and how the wedding plans were coming along and how i was and if i was still gambling and i didnt lie i told him that i did but it didnt consume my life as before and that meeting Petra had changed me and my life.

Dad told me he was no longer working and had taken full retirement but had helped them out on the odd occasion where they had no drivers to ferry around twenty something girls who had just moved to a C or D cup but the main reason was he didnt feel well and that despite phone calls and a few visits to the consultant they saw no reason in his bloods to investigate further a pain that had started in Dads hamstring. His consultant had prescribed him some physio in the form of massage which was due to start the next week but i think deep down my Dad knew things were changing within him and this was the real reason we were speaking again.

2 weeks later we were now talking on the phone and had arranged for Petra to come up to the Midlands to see my Dad again as he had only met her on two occasions which were his 60th and my brothers wedding and neither of them did he get the chance to really engage in conversation with her.  Dad had now had 3 sets of massage but the pain in his leg had got worse in fact it was now a dull ache and the physio had told him he should already be seeing improvements and as this was not the case she referred him back to the consultant and said it was impossible for his pain to be muscular which is what Dad had said all along.

After the meeting with Petra he told me that i was very lucky and thanked her for getting me on the straight and narrow but despite our last visit being only a couple of weeks previous it took him a good minute to get in and  out of the car and he was in discomfort although he tried not to show it.

Another trip to the consultants was required...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 31, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Thank feck that this has taken a more positive turn. Keep the updates coming mate.

Think your timing might be off Boldie... I'm guessing there are more negatives to come shortly before some positives....
Might be true but dont worry i think this helps me writing it down and there are more than a few who will relate to the next updates.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 12:03:38 PM
PAYING FOR THE HONEYMOON COURTESY OF TOTESPORT!!

On or just before my Dad and I started to rebuild our relationship was the start of the 2007/8 football season and for the previous 3 years i had some small success placing season long match bets putting 4 or 5 in a line and doing some acca's and had showed a profit on each occasion. This year i had bought the Racing Post as i do each day and looked through the gazzillion pages on the upcoming footie season marking out a few bets to have and was prepared to lay out about 600-700 on different acca's to give me a bit of interest for the season, i also found that this meant i didnt get to involved week to week as if you had a chance to scoop at christmas time you had an interest and didnt need to bet week to week.

This year i had 3 bets running 2 small lines totalling around £1300 return with Hills and a Totesport bet place in Chadwell Heath that was an £80 match bet acca on 7 teams to finish higher than others with the then return on an "any to come" basis split each way onto MK Dons to win league 2 at 9/1 paying a 1/4odds 4places.

Going into the last 6 weeks of the season it was neck and neck on the bottom part of the bet between MK Dons and Peterborough and out of the 7 match bets 5 were safe, 1 was mathematically safe but needed to stay out of administration and the last part of the bet was  Bury to finish above Macclesfield and with a few games to go it was pretty tight iirc Bury were at home v Macc about 4 games before the end and if they lost Macc would have gone above but it was 2-2 i think and then Bury pulled away and MK Dons carried on winning so it had only cost me a couple of hundred in laying off on miracle results and i knew i was collecting  ;D

It worked out on the match bet i had just over £1400 to come back meaning i had £700 each way onto MK at 9/1  happy days i thought a £9275 return for £80 however my mood change when i went to collect on the first Sunday after the season had finished.
I proudly handed over my slip and waited as the cashier put it through the machine and said "£1460 to come back on that one but you will have to wait for my manager to come back" to which i replied i think you need to check it again as its closer to 10 grand mate!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
30mins later and im sat there drinking a coffee and in spite have not laid out a penny in bets for the day even though i wanted to!! ** I actually think its all a conspiracy when you go to collect more than a grand in shops and they tell you that you need to wait for the safe to open as when i ran a betting shop i used to hide the money behind the counter and if we ever got turned over i would have told them they got away with the lot and then took the money myself, maybe its just me but i think they secretly want you to have a few punts whilst you wait in the hope you do a few hundo back ** rant over

When the manager came back in he sat down and said that when the season finished he checked the bet and rang his security dept who told him that the bottom part of the bet was void as they dont do "any to come" bets and the only part they could pay was the top part.  I really needed that money and was tempted to say give me the £1400 then i though F**k it and snap declined saying can i have the dept number so i can raise it with them, i then photo'd all their rule boards in the shop and spent an hour writing down the diff sections and went away to investigate further.

I found the rule they were claiming voided the bottom part but from memory it said "any to come bets are not accepted on ante post events and if taken in error will be settled on the SP" so i decided to give them one more chance on the phone before i put it in writing to them. The person on the phone was useless but gave me the name of the top person and i wrote to everyone i could at Totesport quoting their own rules and the main arguement on my bet was that this bet was placed on the Friday night before the football season started so if they could prove that the price had changed from then till 3pm that next day i would take that price otherwise i wanted paying in full within 7 days or i would approach Ibas and the Racing post.

3 days later i received a phone call from the head of customer services saying i could come and collect my cheque that day to which i told them i wanted cash and would give them a 3 hours to collect it.

Normally when i have a big win i defo tip the cashiers but on this occasion i didnt give them a penny just walked out with my cash and went straight to the travel agents to book our Safari in Tanzania followed by a two week beach break in Zanzibar  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 01, 2011, 12:44:37 PM
Awesome, wp :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 01, 2011, 12:46:05 PM
Cole south posted sick pics from safari in Tanzania and beach holiday in Zanzibar- looked amazing


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 01:11:18 PM
BAD NEWS!

The consulatant according to my Dad was useless and still would not refer him for more tests and it was only when Dad's doctor sent a letter saying that further investigation was required and if he was not reffered by the consultant he would take it further himself that a date was finally given for a Scan to be done.

On arrival at the hospital it got worse and they said that Dads notes had been lost and therefore they could not conduct the appt and would contact him with an alternative date. Now no-one can prove what would have happened and but at worst he would have had a bit longer for some treatment as when finally 3months after approaching his consultant telling him he felt things were changing within him and following a thourough investigation my Dad was told the news that he knew and i think had known from when he first tried to reestablish our relationship that the Cancer from his bladder had come back and spread through the wall of his bladder to his bloodstream so it was now secondary cancer attacking his body and the best prognosis they could give would be 6 months with some chemo and 3-4 without.

The news was given to us at the start of November which meant that eveyone knew it would be Dad's last Christmas with us and meant that despite us rebuilding our relationship he would not be able or possibly even be around to be at our wedding the next May.
Dad was a strong man and took his illness with great dignity and as an organised person had within 2-3 weeks got his house in order with a box of all investments paperwork and bank accounts to be handed to his choice of solicitor when he passed and he was adamant that because he had too much money ( 20k of isa's and bonds and £19k in the bank) meaning he didnt get any help with care unpaid that he would limit his own care as he knew if he had nothing himself it would all be free, so why should he be penalised for being frugal.

Christmas was terrible and anyone who has seen someone go through the end of this terrible disease will know, you lose appetite even someone cooking can make you nauseous and the drugs mount up but have to be taken at certain times so even if you were able to sleep you had to be awake in 2 hours time. He didnt want to watch the telly as his view was whats the point in watching the news when nothing affected him.  It was a tough time but he never complained once and instructed us that he would be disappointed if we even thought about cancelling the wedding even if he left us a week before.

Towards the end he needed more care than he was accepting nad i was 150miles away so only got up on days off and weekends and my brother was there most nights and we looked at some respite care, but Dad didnt want to pay £500 per week until we convinced him to try it for 2weeks and if he didnt like it we would bring him back home.  One of the reasons he didnt want to leave home was that he had 2 old cats which he had inherited from my failed relationship with Sarah the singer and although they went outside they were never far away from my Dad and one of his dying wishes was one of the hardes things i have ever had to do!!!

The day he was carried out of his house to be taken to the care home for  2 weeks of respite care, was the day when i knew he actually gave up as you could just see it in his face.... :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 01:15:44 PM
Cole south posted sick pics from safari in Tanzania and beach holiday in Zanzibar- looked amazing
Was fantastic and could thoroughly recommend it, we safari'd for 7days and stayed at La Gemma Dell Est in Zanzibar
After i get to the wedding part will post some photos and a video, and for Cos/Vinnys info there will be no lots of Petra Bikini shots  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on September 01, 2011, 01:59:50 PM
Gripping stuff.

You know how to story tell and I think you are one of the writers of eastenders with the amount of cliff hanger endings you do! :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 01, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
Cole south posted sick pics from safari in Tanzania and beach holiday in Zanzibar- looked amazing
Was fantastic and could thoroughly recommend it, we safari'd for 7days and stayed at La Gemma Dell Est in Zanzibar
After i get to the wedding part will post some photos and
 a video, and for Cos/Vinnys info there will be no lots of Petra Bikini shots  ;)

Yeah been planning to go for a while now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 02:29:20 PM
Cole south posted sick pics from safari in Tanzania and beach holiday in Zanzibar- looked amazing
Was fantastic and could thoroughly recommend it, we safari'd for 7days and stayed at La Gemma Dell Est in Zanzibar
After i get to the wedding part will post some photos and
 a video, and for Cos/Vinnys info there will be no lots of Petra Bikini shots  ;)

Yeah been planning to go for a while now
I am sure Dubai style is a massive step above what we experienced  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 02:31:59 PM
Gripping stuff.

You know how to story tell and I think you are one of the writers of eastenders with the amount of cliff hanger endings you do! :)
Thx Ant, maybe i missed my vocation in life   :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on September 01, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
Great read Richard. It's rapidly become my favourite thread.

I'll always remember one of my dads last jokes.

He was been wheeled into the back of an ambulance when one of the ambulance women was trying to cheer him up by suggesting his heart problems had been caused by too much wine, women and song.

As quick as a flash and whilst clearly distressed, he said "OK, I'll give up singing."


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 01, 2011, 04:16:16 PM
Great read Richard. It's rapidly become my favourite thread.

I'll always remember one of my dads last jokes.

He was been wheeled into the back of an ambulance when one of the ambulance women was trying to cheer him up by suggesting his heart problems had been caused by too much wine, women and song.

As quick as a flash and whilst clearly distressed, he said "OK, I'll give up singing."
Thx Alan but im disappointed its only rapidly becoming your favourite  ;grr;

See you at DTD this weekend?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on September 01, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
Great read Richard. It's rapidly become my favourite thread.

I'll always remember one of my dads last jokes.

He was been wheeled into the back of an ambulance when one of the ambulance women was trying to cheer him up by suggesting his heart problems had been caused by too much wine, women and song.

As quick as a flash and whilst clearly distressed, he said "OK, I'll give up singing."
Thx Alan but im disappointed its only rapidly becoming your favourite  ;grr;

See you at DTD this weekend?

Its there already Richard.

Yes, hope to be at DTD too.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on September 01, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
do u still get cravings to play on the wheel of doom?

also do u still play pit games? even for small stakes


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Boba Fett on September 01, 2011, 07:32:58 PM
Whats the most ridic/strange thing youve had a bet on?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 01, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
a lump in my throat reading this  brings alot when i lost my gran..



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on September 01, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
this diary is incred.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on September 01, 2011, 08:49:53 PM
My dad went along a  very similar path to yours Rich although he was considerably older.

Like your dad he preferred to stay at home in familiar surroundings rather than go into an old folks' home and I used to visit him for an hour or so a couple of times a day to make sure he was okay and to fix him something to eat at teatime although it got more and more difficult to tempt him as his appetite waned.

I remember when he first got hospitalized by our GP after he had fallen over and was put in a temporary ward whilst being assessed. He had no appetite due to as yet undiagnosed cancer and was in a bed for a few days opposite some old boy who devoured every morsel of every meal put in front of him which drove him almost to distraction.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
do u still get cravings to play on the wheel of doom?
No not really i quite like watching if in a Casino and really funk for peeps to win espec if i know them but it does not get me excited now  :)

also do u still play pit games? even for small stakes
At Christmas i take my offices out for a meal and give them the choice and they always pick the casino for the night out, for £35 they get a 4 course meal 3 free drinks and £10 for the roulette last 2 years we went we all club together and lump on and agree to keep playing till busto or each has £50 at which point they stop and the girls go home with £50 and the boys drink and go home with nothing!
This is the only time i play pit games and if i was out socially i might play 20-40 on Blackjack but thats probs a twice a year thing.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:04:04 AM
Whats the most ridic/strange thing youve had a bet on?

I always have a study and punt on Eurovision Song contest but away from that its mainly mainstream, i have never bet on a pie eating contest  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
this diary is incred.
TYTY obv my viewing numbers will drop as were only a few pages from today and then i will have to talk about drving to work along the seafront or the like!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:10:57 AM
a lump in my throat reading this  brings alot when i lost my gran..


yeah i knew a few people would be touched m8, absolutely tez disease but i shall keep my thoughts to myself on whether or not they really want to find a cure!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:13:41 AM
My dad went along a  very similar path to yours Rich although he was considerably older.

Like your dad he preferred to stay at home in familiar surroundings rather than go into an old folks' home and I used to visit him for an hour or so a couple of times a day to make sure he was okay and to fix him something to eat at teatime although it got more and more difficult to tempt him as his appetite waned.

I remember when he first got hospitalized by our GP after he had fallen over and was put in a temporary ward whilst being assessed. He had no appetite due to as yet undiagnosed cancer and was in a bed for a few days opposite some old boy who devoured every morsel of every meal put in front of him which drove him almost to distraction.
That must have been tough for your Dad, my dad towards the end only wanted a few mouthfulls of fastfood so that he never had to endure the cooking smells that put him off and then could have a bit to eat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:44:06 AM
2 WEEKS RESPITE

Dad settled in well into the home on the first day and had his own room even managing to eat a bit of his dinner and i left telling him i would be up to see him on Thursday (my day off) and gave him a big hug. He was always a portly fellow and looked a cross between Reg Holdsworth and Alec Gilroy from Coronation Street so seeing the weight fall off him was really hard, over the next few days i spoke to him on the phone and a few friends visited him but he was losing strength and they started to up his morphine which was given intravenously.

By thursday he was pretty much out of it but woke for a few mins whilst my brother and myself were there and the look in his eyes told you he was ready, he told us that his wish was for the cats to be put down and to be cremated and scattered with him and we agreed which was upsetting as whilst the cats were old they still were ok but these were my Dads wishes and wanted him to feel ok.

I left in tears and wondered if he would still make it through to my next visit on Sunday. Sunday came and the care home had told me he was not really awake much now and again they had increased his pain relief, i had driven up from down south and sat with him for a few hours drip feeding him via a swab some water and just watching him. His breathing was now eratic and he didnt open his eyes until i left when i whispered in his ear to wait until i could come back with Petra the following Thursday and i will never forget how he opened his eyes and nodded and i broke down as i hugged him and told him i was sorry for the hurt i had caused him over the years he just smiled and gave me a kiss.

Leaving the home i wasnt sure if i would see him again and i cried most of the way down the M1, i stopped at Luton G for the sunday late afternoon comp and donked out in a few hands as after starting the comp i regretted it and drove home knowing that the next visit up north would most likely be even worse....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2011, 11:46:20 AM
Ok cant finish the rest today as it brings back so many emotions and im currently sat at work so need to tie up a deal or two before leaving at 2pm to get to DTD  :)

Firing 2 bullets if required this month

GL to me obv and all other blondes playing!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 02, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
F'ing hell, tears in my eyes reading that.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: class on September 02, 2011, 12:56:20 PM
Great read this Richard.  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on September 02, 2011, 01:01:45 PM
F'ing hell, tears in my eyes reading that.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 02, 2011, 01:30:09 PM
F'ing hell, tears in my eyes reading that.

....and pretending I'm yawning in the office. Not a good look.

You really put your feelings down well on this diary and your openness and honesty are really appreciated.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 02, 2011, 01:56:39 PM
Wanted to say something but can't find the right words as this is still raw to me. Great stuff and I probably agreewith your views on finding a cure (although we may be wrong)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 02, 2011, 05:01:42 PM
i also want to say something but i am so bad at putting my feelings into words......



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 02, 2011, 05:37:08 PM
Bloody hell Rich, instead of Playing poker at Stoke this weekend i might bin it and come to dtd to give u a hug.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on September 02, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
F'ing hell, tears in my eyes reading that.

brings back memories when my dad passed away :'(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 03, 2011, 02:33:17 AM
Wanted to say something but can't find the right words as this is still raw to me. Great stuff and I probably agreewith your views on finding a cure (although we may be wrong)

This....dad had two secondary tumours found in his face yesterday, hearing going, sight going - it's just horrible to watch. I've cried slot last few days, but smiled too. I hope his radiotherapy today has eased the pain and he can get his sight back tonsay goodbye properly. Reading you're diary is tough at moment, but equally I love it as it's a bit of a release - and see the similarities....I played a $3k schedule and bricked tonight!

Keep it coming....a great read and so honest.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 03, 2011, 02:40:26 AM
My Dad was diagnosed with lung cancer in Feb 2008- ended up getting diagnosed with secondary brain cancer whilst in hospital having a blood transfusion in Nov 2009- he was given days to live but managed to regain consciousness and was talking, eating ok- we managed to get him home and he eventually died Xmas eve 2009 in the lounge- watching him deteriorate and die literally in front of my eyes, to the extent of seeing his last agonizing breath, with my mum devastated and feeling totally helpless,was the worst experience of my life and something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 03, 2011, 02:46:47 AM
My Dad was diagnosed with lung cancer in Feb 2008- ended up getting diagnosed with secondary brain cancer whilst in hospital having a blood transfusion in Nov 2009- he was given days to live but managed to regain consciousness and was talking, eating ok- we managed to get him home and he eventually died Xmas eve 2009 in the lounge- watching him deteriorate and die literally in front of my eyes, to the extent of seeing his last agonizing breath, with my mum devastated and feeling totally helpless,was the worst experience of my life and something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy

I didnt know Dave, so many people affected by it.  I feel grateful to have had 18 months and lots of good times since dad was diagnosed. Were hijacking Richs thread, butnthink I told you story of why I had 5% of you in high roller last year - completely down to the old man. Do a win for him Sunday....and you of course. Talk soon.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 03, 2011, 02:49:22 AM
Yeah it's crazy how similar the stories are- think Flushy told me the bit about your old man and how you was showing him how blonde and %s work- great story all round

Will try my best mate. Take care, all the best your end- pokers only work, life far more important


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 03, 2011, 02:53:31 AM
Yeah it's crazy how similar the stories are- think Flushy told me the bit about your old man and how you was showing him how blonde and %s work- great story all round

Will try my best mate. Take care, all the best your end- pokers only work, life far more important

Cheers, yeah told Flushy pissed in XS lol - I'm off again now in floods so going to get some sleep before hopefully seeing him tommorow. I busted high roller sat at end of shit schedule....on the plus side my 74 yo mum had her first final table in a $0.25 45 manner at the same time as we watched the tennis lololol.

Poker is only work, butnhope you getbsome scores next few weeks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 03, 2011, 07:34:05 AM
Thoughts with Claypole and anyone else going through a similar experience either patients or fAmily


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TightEnd on September 03, 2011, 05:00:34 PM
I'll have to follow that Eso Kral

He asks me to check his coupon

£25 accumulator on 7 matches today to have more than 2 goals

I tick them off one by one

£2218 in the bag!


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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2011, 05:07:10 PM
WAL, congrats.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 03, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
class


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 03, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Sick tekkers!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 03, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
Teach Me...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 04, 2011, 03:57:37 AM
Our hero about to ship the 100f at DTD.

3handed atm, 5k ftw to add to his spoils from earlier...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on September 04, 2011, 03:58:16 AM
GOGOGOGO, nice day.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on September 04, 2011, 04:07:44 AM
GOGOGOGO, nice day.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on September 04, 2011, 06:05:33 AM
Wp today mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 04, 2011, 07:54:15 AM
Nice result Rich x2


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on September 04, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
You da man.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:06:19 AM
Wanted to say something but can't find the right words as this is still raw to me. Great stuff and I probably agreewith your views on finding a cure (although we may be wrong)

This....dad had two secondary tumours found in his face yesterday, hearing going, sight going - it's just horrible to watch. I've cried slot last few days, but smiled too. I hope his radiotherapy today has eased the pain and he can get his sight back tonsay goodbye properly. Reading you're diary is tough at moment, but equally I love it as it's a bit of a release - and see the similarities....I played a $3k schedule and bricked tonight!

Keep it coming....a great read and so honest.
Thx Claypole  thoughts with you and family mate, all you can do is be there for him!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:25:21 AM
DTD REPORT   so far.....

Ok i drive up friday aft leaving Leigh on Sea at 2.30pm and eventually reach dtd @ 7.15 what a rubbish journey M1 was already blocked so took M11/A1M route and a plane decides to crash on a field.

Great starting table but i think i made a mistake and took the fact i was prepared to fire 2 bulletts and peeled really loosely in and oop but had a couple of good spots and then i get moved just as i was on a roll. So we start again and i pick up 66 getting flatted by the button i lead the flop and c/r the turn and still dont get it through and give up which leaves me shortish.

Eventually i raise the C/o with  Tc 8c (how can i lose?) and get flatted by a nice lady otb and the bb we flop 235cc and i lead call it off and am in tez shape against the bb with  Ac Kc no red 8 or 10 and it's off to a satellite to see if i can get in cheaply for Sat.  Im sat on Georges table and reg in level6 with 25bigs, hand before the break i find AA and raise after 4 limpers and win the pot.

In the next 2orbits i pick up Aces once, Kings twice and AK once and win some nice pots and am chipped up to 33k, George looks at me and says sit back as 30ish probs wins a seat but there are still 25 to get knocked out, also on the table was Leatherman (top fella) and after a short while i get moved and then lose when KK cant hold for 50% of my stack vs 55 this leaves me with 12bigs and 12-15 out of the seats but my table is really passive and people are flatting left right and centre.

George now comes to the table and sits direct to my right and 1st time were in the blinds it goes limp utg and utg+1 goerge makes up and i shove with  5d 7d both limpers fold and George says "I knew you would do that so now i will have to look at my cards"  >:( and knowing me when he spies the  Aspades (best in the deck) knows this is most likely good and calls, oh yeah he even has a 7 to go with it FML and i dont do a get there so go back to the hotel as despite being up here for the weekend i have to get up at 5.30am and leave at 6am to take care of a bit of business in Southend, pick up some bits for Petra as were away in Wales for the week next week and then pick up my new company car (nothing flash but its new and free) and then i drive back up to Notts for Day1b


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Day1b

Again the journey is rubbbbbbash and i leave Notts at 6.30am do my stuff down south and drive back to Dtd leaving at 12.30 reaching Notts at 3.15, i have place 1 bet on the footie as most will know  :)    (this is all i play on the footie really and spend 25-50 per week on the same bet and land about 8 per year) but im determined not to check the scores till the first break and then at 4.30 and full time so i can concentrate on the pokerz.

My table looks good as i sit down and sort myself out a voice says "Are you Richard? i mean Eso Kral?" i reply yes and realise its Geordie Neil so we shake hands and he says "Your famous now are'nt you?" and obv the whole table now start looking at me thinking  do we know him/ has he binked anything????

Play solid and get down to 13k really quickly then penultimate hand before the break i find AA utg+2 and we have a bit of elevation getting 2 callers and we flop AJ8hh i lead 1/2 pot and they both fold, very next hand and break is called (no one ever wants to play the last hand) so i raise 33utg to 375 at 75/150 and it folds to bb who dwells and raises to 875 so i peel with the intention of no set no bet and flop A23sss bb leads 1100 i flat obv funking for no spade   turn is  5h he checks and i check it back and the river is  2c he checks again and i bet 2800 he snap calls me with  Ks Kh and i see the break with 23k


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:48:16 AM
Level 4 is no good as at 4.30pm i check my bet and i need one gols in 2 matches and decide i will stick to my guns and not check till 4.55 at which point i check and find Notts county have scored to go 2-1 up and its all down to the Burton-Plymouth match
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   they might not have been paid this month but they tried till the last minute and a 90+1 goal means my £25 returns £2200ish so i decide to have a bit of fun with tighty and give him the slip telling him i cant get internet access on my phone can he please check the scores.

5 mins later he comes back and says "if they are all in, will you sponsor the blonde October update for the deepstack" and those who know me know i always throw in 20-30 as i love the updates even though  i dont read them till sunday or monday and i say yes as its good Karma!!!

I immediately weigh Tighty in with £200 as come October i might have degenned it away  ;) and were back to the game.  Level 5 i raise/fold to all ins twice and then hero a nice tight guy to my right with a lovely facial tell with 77 on a board of 10 6 2 calling the c bet, check check the K turn and calling the 3/4 pot bet on the 8 river and were back to over 20k.

I find AA at 150/300 and make it 700utg+2 and get 3 callers and flop and lovely K83 rainbow and i think not even Paul Grummit can have 2 pair here so lead for 1300 only Paul calls otb we see a turn of  Td and i exercise some pot control  an dgive him the chance to bluff as he often will and call his 1300 bet on the  2h river i bet 280 and he pays me off with a K and we have 28k coming to the end of level 6


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TightEnd on September 04, 2011, 11:54:38 AM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
My exit hand is good/bad whichever way you want to look at it

My image is pretty tight i have not shown down any weak holding so when it folds to me in the C/o i raise  Kh 5h and get flatted by an agro kid otb who is chipped up but has commented on the fact he likes my raise sizing.

Flop is  Ts Qs 2h and i lead for 1/2pot and he flats which i expect him to do with anything and nothing, the turn is Aspades which i think is a really good card for me to rep so i bet again leaving myself a nearly pot sized bluff for the river if i dont catch a red jack. Secretly i actually want to see a spade (foolish thought) as i decide i am betting the river regardless and when the  7s rolls off i put in my 3rd barrell and he snaps me off with  Qc Ks  :( and says as i muck "Did you have AJ?" obv i say say "yes nice catch" and walk away thinking FML he puts me onthe Ace and i'm funking for a spade that gives him the nuts when if its a non spade i get it through.

So off to the INCREDIBLE 100 we go and i join late level 4 and 30ish bigs, it does not go well when AK loses to AQ and then with 5mins left of last level of late reg 2 really bad players limp, a good player applies the limpers tax and gets flatted otb now i look down at  5c 7c and make a loose peel but i know the 2 limpers are defo calling and i see a floptastic  4c 6c Qd i ship first to act and the o/r calls with  Ac Kc and i dont do a get there. So i go to the toilet and when i come out there are 30 seconds left of the last level and im walking to the door thinking nah lets go back to the hotel and get some sleep and come back tomoz for the £150.

Obv being the Degen i am i think nah if i buy in now with 20 seconds left im obv gonna do a bink...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 04, 2011, 12:09:05 PM
WAL - congrats on a great day.....nine team roll ups for the degen win


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 04, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
WAL - congrats on a great day.....nine team roll ups for the degen win

And of course thanks for you're lovely comments - trying to keep the thread up beat and degen focused so didnt mean to ignore  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 12:21:34 PM
So i re-enter and go outside thinking i fill find my table when i get back.
After the break i return to find my stack at 9500 ish which i question and they tell me i was BB last hand before the break so were already under it  >:(

Im pretty comfortable playing short stacked so push some spots and dont really remember too many hands cos i just have a feeling whatever happens im gonna do a win, on each break i use the same urinal and same wash hand basin and dryer (superstitions ftw) and when we get 3 tables out i just under average but got a beautifull shoving stack which im using.

I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

As we approach the bubble im in a bit of danger till i over ship my 20bb stack over 2 seperate raises and get them both through and Cambridge (Monte Carlo Champion) Alex comes over and offers me £100 for 10% of my action meaning i would have to finish 5th for him to lose a tenner and 4the to make £40 i decline although it was a nice compliment and we go about our business.

With 12 players left a player i have played with a bit this weekend raises and i shove with  Aspades Td and he calls with  Ahrt 4h and hits his flush leaving me with 9000 and in the s/b next hand at blinds of 4000/8000.  Annoying guy now shoves utg and i call blind with 50% of my stack in and he proudly flips 77 but he cant hold against my 57o as i flop the straight now i know from this point 1bb im defo gonna do a win i open ship  9d 3d next hand and 3bigs and get it thorugh then i ship  Kd 3d and annoying guy calls 99%off his stack with QJ and i hold now were back to 80k.

I make the final table with 180k and watch the shorties get knocked out the ladder a couple of spots before getting busy again and after some good calls and good holds were 3 handed at 4am with Mr Mcloskey and an unknown but nice kid, i get to 50% of chips in play at 1point then try to 4bet bluff v bb with 6high and have to fold depsite getting massive odds to call but still having 290k back and i decide its better for me to be happy shipping this stack when i want!!

At 15k/30k Mark makes it 63k otb and i shove all in with QJ and he dwell calls with A9 hit the J on the flop and he hits a 9 so were not safe till i turn the str8 and back in the game, 2 hands later i raise/call the button with A9 and lose to his Q10 so i back shipping again and win 5pots in a row at 15/30 and 20/40 to get back to 550k when we agree to do a 3way chop for £3300 each  ;)

So so far we have had a £5500 return on the weekend, but its not over yet.......

 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 12:26:36 PM
Im writing this from the tourist information centre in Notts and as i have had a great weekend and am on an up i will not post the next real chapter until some time next week.

Petra myself and Maxwell are going to Wales tomorrow for the week on a sun £9.50 holiday   Value ftw and were going to a place that when i was a kid growing up in the midlands my Dad used to take us to in mid Wales as it was the closest beaches in times before everyone went abroad so might not get chance to post much.

Really looking forward to it thought to see how things have changed since i was a kid.

Thanks to everyone for their kind comments on this diary and face to face at DTD its really nice to hear people enjoy the diary, there are some really good Blondes out there.

Be lucky everyone and now going to read the update as apparently tighty came up trumps for me on Friday night and then gonna final table my second tourney this weekend at DTD..............


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 12:29:13 PM
WAL - congrats on a great day.....nine team roll ups for the degen win

And of course thanks for you're lovely comments - trying to keep the thread up beat and degen focused so didnt mean to ignore  :)
NP maybe see you Luton soon for a meal with Celtic?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on September 04, 2011, 12:57:20 PM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 04, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
really nice to meet you properly yesterday mate and well done on the BinkBink's good weekend ...so far and gl today mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 04, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;

 ;applause; ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;danafish;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 04, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
WAL - congrats on a great day.....nine team roll ups for the degen win

And of course thanks for you're lovely comments - trying to keep the thread up beat and degen focused so didnt mean to ignore  :)
NP maybe see you Luton soon for a meal with Celtic?

Yes for sure - not sure when back in London, but Ill speak to Vinny this week and we'll get a date in


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
really nice to meet you properly yesterday mate and well done on the BinkBink's good weekend ...so far and gl today mate
yeah you to mate, see you soon.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:22:03 PM
Back home now! Ok no bink todaybut had fun and had a great table draw as i was sat to the left of Tikay  ;) i will update you on his play next time im on here.
As i said im away for a week now in Wales but will try to get on and update if i can and then im back up to DTD next weekend for the Sky Poker thingy.

Thx to Alex for the rail on Sat night and very wp Bobalike in the deepstack.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Chili on September 04, 2011, 11:26:39 PM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;

 ;applause; ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;danafish;

 ;dingdell; ;dingdell; boys gonna be boys  ;topofclass;  glad to be of service I suppose.

After Richard alerted me to the possible merits of reading his diary :) I did so when I got home about 3.30am & read away for 2 hours until I couldnt control my eyes any longer. 

TYTYTYTYTYTYTY It is amazingly honest and I, like so many others can relate to so much of it - either from my life or my utterly degen father's life (might get him to read this).  It does go to show how we shouldn't put people in boxes when we meet them, its great when they surprise the crap out of you :)

So so sorry about your dad, I don't do talking on the phone hardly ever - but I rang mine tonight. Cheers luv x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2011, 11:32:29 PM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;

 ;applause; ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;danafish;

 ;dingdell; ;dingdell; boys gonna be boys  ;topofclass;  glad to be of service I suppose.

After Richard alerted me to the possible merits of reading his diary :) I did so when I got home about 3.30am & read away for 2 hours until I couldnt control my eyes any longer. 

TYTYTYTYTYTYTY It is amazingly honest and I, like so many others can relate to so much of it - either from my life or my utterly degen father's life (might get him to read this).  It does go to show how we shouldn't put people in boxes when we meet them, its great when they surprise the crap out of you :)

So so sorry about your dad, I don't do talking on the phone hardly ever - but I rang mine tonight. Cheers luv x
Well if your reading this and posting you obv didnt grind your shortstack further than mine  :(   glad you enjoyed the read, keep upto date but next time you will need the tissues handy me thinks unless your hard as nails.
See you next weekend...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Chili on September 04, 2011, 11:37:47 PM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;

 ;applause; ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;danafish;

 ;dingdell; ;dingdell; boys gonna be boys  ;topofclass;  glad to be of service I suppose.

After Richard alerted me to the possible merits of reading his diary :) I did so when I got home about 3.30am & read away for 2 hours until I couldnt control my eyes any longer. 

TYTYTYTYTYTYTY It is amazingly honest and I, like so many others can relate to so much of it - either from my life or my utterly degen father's life (might get him to read this).  It does go to show how we shouldn't put people in boxes when we meet them, its great when they surprise the crap out of you :)

So so sorry about your dad, I don't do talking on the phone hardly ever - but I rang mine tonight. Cheers luv x
Well if your reading this and posting you obv didnt grind your shortstack further than mine  :(   glad you enjoyed the read, keep upto date but next time you will need the tissues handy me thinks unless your hard as nails.
See you next weekend...

nah I don't have your Jackson 5 skills lol.  Had a great weekend though, great talking with you & I hope you learned some lessons from me on how to play a bubble situation skillfully :)

Unless your coming to Cyprus with me at the weekend, then I'll see you in a month.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 04, 2011, 11:48:01 PM
Maria you're tez


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Chili on September 05, 2011, 12:01:46 AM
Maria you're tez

Oiii you want some lessons too?  Don't be jealous now sweety.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 05, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
I get moved to Chilli's table (bow chicka bow wow  ;D ) and were chatting away and i have never seen such a card rack in my life, does this girl ever not have Aces??

 ;whistle;

 ;applause; ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;tightend; ;applause; rotflmfao ;danafish;

 ;dingdell; ;dingdell; boys gonna be boys  ;topofclass;  glad to be of service I suppose.

After Richard alerted me to the possible merits of reading his diary :) I did so when I got home about 3.30am & read away for 2 hours until I couldnt control my eyes any longer. 

TYTYTYTYTYTYTY It is amazingly honest and I, like so many others can relate to so much of it - either from my life or my utterly degen father's life (might get him to read this).  It does go to show how we shouldn't put people in boxes when we meet them, its great when they surprise the crap out of you :)

So so sorry about your dad, I don't do talking on the phone hardly ever - but I rang mine tonight. Cheers luv x
Well if your reading this and posting you obv didnt grind your shortstack further than mine  :(   glad you enjoyed the read, keep upto date but next time you will need the tissues handy me thinks unless your hard as nails.
See you next weekend...

nah I don't have your Jackson 5 skills lol.  Had a great weekend though, great talking with you & I hope you learned some lessons from me on how to play a bubble situation skillfully :)

Unless your coming to Cyprus with me at the weekend, then I'll see you in a month.
Sounds like a nice idea  ;D  qouted as not sure on the other diaries the boys have been invited to Cyprus for a week with Chilli!!!
Mrs Eso says not poss though so mid Wales it is  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on September 05, 2011, 12:17:11 PM
Great read!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 05, 2011, 08:29:29 PM
Well after a 6hour drive and 2 stops for Maxwell and Bentley (our dog) we get to Wales and its pissing it down :-(  it is just like when me and my brother were kids as were staying in a park by the sea so hopefully the weather might improve if not i might have to degen the weekend winnings away at the arcade ;-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 05, 2011, 09:56:20 PM
Hi Rich where you staying, I spent a lot of time in Mid Wales as kid, practically grew up there hunting and fishing with my dad.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 05, 2011, 10:12:01 PM
Hi Andy  were staying just outside of Aberystwyth but will be going to Tywyn and Aberdovey where my Dad used to take us during the course of the week, nice and chilled :-)  vwp the weekend m8 next time top 3!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 05, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
Hi Andy  were staying just outside of Aberystwyth but will be going to Tywyn and Aberdovey where my Dad used to take us during the course of the week, nice and chilled :-)  vwp the weekend m8 next time top 3!

Cheers mate, I'll just have to try harder.

We spent most of our time at a place called Llanbedr which is inbetween Barmouth and Harlech.

Have a great break.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 10, 2011, 12:19:26 PM
Ok lets get this diary back on track...

Had a great 4 days in wales, apart from the weather it was nice and relaxed and to spend time with Petra and Maxwell as normally when i go to work they are just waking up and when i get in Maxwell is about to have a bath and go sleep plus travelling to Notts once or twice a month for the live pokers takes even more time away from the family.

Had 1 bet all week which was to late a dog on betfair i thought was too short on Sky but it won  >:(, then on friday we leave at 9.30 am and on first service break for Max i read the paper to find a horse i tipped a while ago running at 4.10pm with 2 more stops needed i know i will be back around 3.45 subject to traffic and on getting near home i stop to place a £20 ew plus £20 win on sirius prospect at 18/1 and a further £20 e/w at sp and get home just in time to see it win well
oioi oioi ship the £1210 total return and i then have 2hours at home before leaving to get to Luton for a drink with Celtic and to play the £100 fo on the way to DTD for the Sky Poker event today.

Starting table is ok till Alex MFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFkin Martin sits 3 to my right and i was going to sit quietly until Vinny introduces us which means were probs gonna have a cock waving contest, i win the first one to set up my table image 5betting  4d 5d against tight Dave and watching him laydown AK after some terrible speach play that anyone else would have snap shoved allin obv i show.

Then i do a massive get there after the break raising the c/o with  8d 9c  flopping  Jc Kd 8c  cbet which is called  turn 2c i check and villain bets allin i stare at him he looks uncomfortable as you do when you have KJ for top 2 i call it off as its only 30% of my stack and hit my flush   yeah yeah im a fish on a heater!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 10, 2011, 12:30:05 PM
Then have a really interesting hand with Alex and if i had met him the week before i would have slow rolled him to the max but i had only met him 1hr previous.

I raise UTG with  2d 2h to 450 at 1/200   Alex flats and the bb makes it 975, i dwell 4bet to 2350 hoping Alex folds but he flats and the bb gets out of the way.
flop is  Qc 4c 3s and i cbet 2950 which Alex flats and in rolls the  2c  i keep the lead raising to 4500 which he flats again and i house up on the  4s now i know Alex due to the past hour or so wont give me any credit for much so i check and after a short while he sets me in, I snap which Vinny says i should have dwell called the clock on myself before showing one 2 which would have been good.

After getting the CL on the FT when i hold JJ v AK i then lose 2 races v shorties and lose 6handed in a massive pot when the gin card comes on the turn and i only min cash.

Ok going to DTD now so GL me and all other Blondes playing and i will carry on with my story on Monday to catch us upto date before i have to start thinking of ideas to keep my readership up  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 10, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Given any thought to that great idea for your diary, I gave you last night?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Claw75 on September 10, 2011, 01:07:13 PM

Starting table is ok till Alex MFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFkin Martin sits 3 to my right

sick rubz!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: AlexMartin on September 10, 2011, 01:27:27 PM
haha, nice to meet you, just finished grinding :) You will be pleased to know i lost that bet with Adam and duly done in £700 with him recording his first ever luton g victory. fml. You are a very good poker player and an exceptional spewtard, will def be reading this fully later today and in the future.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TightEnd on September 10, 2011, 10:46:45 PM
Sky Poker Tour Grand Final

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iTDqyLhrk2g/TmuFw89IbPI/AAAAAAAAGak/Y8qnb6dqVrU/s512/IMG_3734.JPG)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 12:21:06 PM
Weekend Trip Report

Didnt book a win in the poker as in the main event peaked a 22k then at 2/400 made the correct long term play vs Paul Jackson even though this time i was good (will probs post on pha) and ended up getting my 12 bigs in first with 88 and getting called by another shortie behind with AJ and Barry Carter insta reshipping with KK  gg me.

Played the Super 50 a bit loose and couldnt find a fold with Kings when should have folded the turn v an agro eastern european player to find he had trips, then drove to Luton for the £50 deepstack and finshed 17/67 when it got shooty at 600/1200 100 i took a shot against sicilian calling off my 18500 with AQ to his mid pos shove and he had AK.

Booked a small win on the footie to break even the weekend inc poker and travel so not all bad, and also met Simon Galloway at Luton and The Lad @ Nottingham  top fellas imo

Now going to get back on track with the main diary...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 12:53:21 PM
March 18th 2009

I received a phone call at 11.30am from the Care Home and they said i should come up north as they felt my Dad was in the final stages so i called Petra and we headed up to Walsall meeting my brother at the home.  Dad was now morphined up to the hilt and had not spoken or opened his eyes since the Sunday when i left him, his breathing was eratic and 2-3 times that afternoon it looked as if he stopped breathing before going again.

We stayed till 9pm that night when the Nurses told us to go as we were staying 1 mile away at my brothers and they would call us if there was any change, it was really distressing and i dont think anything can set you up for seeing a loved one at deaths door.
Needless to say i didnt sleep much weds night as i was expecting the phone to ring and did not want to miss the call so at 9am when there was no call we headed back to the home to find Dad in the same condition as yesterday, the nurses told us that today would be the day.

They left us alone and its amazing how they can pinpoint the date when a sufferer will pass away, i guess its experience of seeing it so many times.  I will never forget the peacefullness in the room which consisted of Dad, Iain (my brother) Petra and myself and at about 11.45 Iain went to get us all a coffee.

I have not spoken about my brother much in the thread as for a large period of my life due to my degen tendancies we didnt get on but he is a top guy really and is very superstitious and on the day Dad was diagnosed as being terminal had seen a single magpie and on 3 other occasions after this date had again seen single magpies when bad things had happened, now im not that much of a believer of this kind of thing but he is and has since had a big wrap around tattoo of my Dad's resting place and 2 magpies on the lower half of one of his legs.

When he came back with the coffee he told us that as he walked back to the room he saw a magpie in a window and he had docked his cap to him and said "morning mr magpie where is your wife" as you do!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 12, 2011, 12:58:53 PM
sick read.
really sick


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 01:08:24 PM
Not long after he came back Dad's breathing really seemed to be struggling and Petra was sat at the end of the room with my Brother and myself either side of the bed each holding onto one of his hands.  I had heard of the Death Rattle but obviously never really experienced it and as Dad breathed in and out there was a distinct hollow rattle as if his body was empty.

Just after midday with us still holding his hands he stopped breathing and my brother and i looked at each other and started to cry, then 20 seconds later he started to breathe again alas this was only to last another minute or so as then he stopped again and now we were holding his hands and Iain and I had linked our spare hands together so we were like a triangle as Dad took his last breath and then stopped.  :'(

We all broke down and i suddenly had this massive feeling of guilt come over me and in tears i apologised to my brother for all the hurt i had caused whilst we shared a brotherly hug in the knowledge Dad was no longer in any pain.

Its was 5 minutes before we notified the Nurses and they came to do whatever it is they do before leaving us with him for another hour where we just sat in silence, Its quite wierd as no-one ever tells you what you need to do next but somehow it all falls into place and after paying a visit to the doctor who had pushed for my Dad to be seen again and again where he informed us that he would stand up against what he felt was negligence on the hospital and consultants behalf we went home to Dads knowing although Dad was gone we now had instructions from him as to the next step which was the cats...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 01:09:11 PM
sick read.
really sick
Thx Lil Dave will introduce myself to you next time your at DTD


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: The Lad on September 12, 2011, 01:25:24 PM
Weekend Trip Report

Didnt book a win in the poker as in the main event peaked a 22k then at 2/400 made the correct long term play vs Paul Jackson even though this time i was good (will probs post on pha) and ended up getting my 12 bigs in first with 88 and getting called by another shortie behind with AJ and Barry Carter insta reshipping with KK  gg me.

Played the Super 50 a bit loose and couldnt find a fold with Kings when should have folded the turn v an agro eastern european player to find he had trips, then drove to Luton for the £50 deepstack and finshed 17/67 when it got shooty at 600/1200 100 i took a shot against sicilian calling off my 18500 with AQ to his mid pos shove and he had AK.

Booked a small win on the footie to break even the weekend inc poker and travel so not all bad, and also met Simon Galloway at Luton and The Lad @ Nottingham  top fellas imo

Now going to get back on track with the main diary...


Was good to meet you Richard over the weekend,top guy, top Diary...sigh at you not calling Paul in that hand ! would of saved me knocking him out ;ashamed;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
THE CATS

As i had mentioned earlier from one of my Gambling related failed relationships i got my Dad to inherit the two cats  Finley and Sooty (brother and sister)  Finley was a really Fat old girl but sooty was a bit helthier and still quite slinky but Dads instructions were that due to their age and the fact they didnt react well to strangers he wanted them to be euthanised and cremated with him and we did not want to go against his wishes so we made a phone call to the vets and they were booked to come out on the Friday.

This experience was almost as hard as being with my Dad on the 19th as i had had these Cats since they were a few weeks old and holding them whilst the Vets put them to sleep left me in tears again but this was for Dad now and thats all that mattered.
They were taken away to be cremated with there ashes being returned in time to go in with my Dad and for them to be scattered together at the same resting place at Bretby Crematorium where Dad's parents were scattered.

The funeral was organised and took pace 4 weeks before our wedding and it was an amazing turn out with people spanning 50 years of his life turning up all telling us what a great man he was but we decided to wait until his Birthday on the 20th april before scattering Dad in a private manner with just us and a couple of family members present, i also due to the distance form Essex to Bretby asked my brother if he minded having a few of his ashes scattered at a nice place by a tree on the seafront where i could visit and i drive past the tree every day on the way to work sometimes stopping off for a few mins for a silent chat. It feels sometimes like I just want/need the reassurance he is at peace with his and my own life now if that makes any sense?

So with only a few weeks to the wedding and arranging for 40+ people to travel to Slovakia all we needed now was an Airline firm to go bust....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
Weekend Trip Report

Didnt book a win in the poker as in the main event peaked a 22k then at 2/400 made the correct long term play vs Paul Jackson even though this time i was good (will probs post on pha) and ended up getting my 12 bigs in first with 88 and getting called by another shortie behind with AJ and Barry Carter insta reshipping with KK  gg me.

Played the Super 50 a bit loose and couldnt find a fold with Kings when should have folded the turn v an agro eastern european player to find he had trips, then drove to Luton for the £50 deepstack and finshed 17/67 when it got shooty at 600/1200 100 i took a shot against sicilian calling off my 18500 with AQ to his mid pos shove and he had AK.

Booked a small win on the footie to break even the weekend inc poker and travel so not all bad, and also met Simon Galloway at Luton and The Lad @ Nottingham  top fellas imo

Now going to get back on track with the main diary...


Was good to meet you Richard over the weekend,top guy, top Diary...sigh at you not calling Paul in that hand ! would of saved me knocking him out ;ashamed;
Loool much better for your career to knock the boss out  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 12, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
sick read.
really sick
Thx Lil Dave will introduce myself to you next time your at DTD

yes please do. Hopefully going to be up this friday actually


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
sick read.
really sick
Thx Lil Dave will introduce myself to you next time your at DTD

yes please do. Hopefully going to be up this friday actually
sry wont be around till deepstack weekend now, gl this weekend though!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2011, 02:14:48 PM
Weekend Trip Report

Didnt book a win in the poker as in the main event peaked a 22k then at 2/400 made the correct long term play vs Paul Jackson even though this time i was good (will probs post on pha) and ended up getting my 12 bigs in first with 88 and getting called by another shortie behind with AJ and Barry Carter insta reshipping with KK  gg me.

Played the Super 50 a bit loose and couldnt find a fold with Kings when should have folded the turn v an agro eastern european player to find he had trips, then drove to Luton for the £50 deepstack and finshed 17/67 when it got shooty at 600/1200 100 i took a shot against sicilian calling off my 18500 with AQ to his mid pos shove and he had AK.

Booked a small win on the footie to break even the weekend inc poker and travel so not all bad, and also met Simon Galloway at Luton and The Lad @ Nottingham  top fellas imo

Now going to get back on track with the main diary...

Wondered what you had in that exit hand vs JT . KK is hard to fold as he was very Loose. I tried to bluff you with Q7 when you had AA oin that KK88K board earlier :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
Weekend Trip Report

Didnt book a win in the poker as in the main event peaked a 22k then at 2/400 made the correct long term play vs Paul Jackson even though this time i was good (will probs post on pha) and ended up getting my 12 bigs in first with 88 and getting called by another shortie behind with AJ and Barry Carter insta reshipping with KK  gg me.

Played the Super 50 a bit loose and couldnt find a fold with Kings when should have folded the turn v an agro eastern european player to find he had trips, then drove to Luton for the £50 deepstack and finshed 17/67 when it got shooty at 600/1200 100 i took a shot against sicilian calling off my 18500 with AQ to his mid pos shove and he had AK.

Booked a small win on the footie to break even the weekend inc poker and travel so not all bad, and also met Simon Galloway at Luton and The Lad @ Nottingham  top fellas imo

Now going to get back on track with the main diary...

Wondered what you had in that exit hand vs JT . KK is hard to fold as he was very Loose. I tried to bluff you with Q7 when you had AA oin that KK88K board earlier :)
Hi Simon, srry didnt say hello i was going to if i made the next break as i knew it was you from the updates.  Yeah he played so many hands and i felt due to his activeness he was prepared to 3barrel even his flush draws.  Hey ho   will defo say hi in person next time i see you  GLGL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 02:22:52 PM
Given any thought to that great idea for your diary, I gave you last night?
Yeah fantastic idea thx Celtic i will definately be doing it once i am upto date

Your amazing Vinny and thx for the offer of half the money as it was your idea!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
haha, nice to meet you, just finished grinding :) You will be pleased to know i lost that bet with Adam and duly done in £700 with him recording his first ever luton g victory. fml. You are a very good poker player and an exceptional spewtard, will def be reading this fully later today and in the future.


Haha   obv i would have rather have won and saved you £700 but you can afford it.
Thx for the compliments or maybe you just levelled me again!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on September 12, 2011, 03:31:32 PM
Just read the lot - really good story and very well written! I think we've only played together once but I seem to remember you raise/calling off 20bbs with 89s and getting there vs TT :P

Not gunna be at DTD till the december monte carlo but i'll definitely come and say hi



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 03:34:20 PM
Just read the lot - really good story and very well written! I think we've only played together once but I seem to remember you raise/calling off 20bbs with 89s and getting there vs TT :P

Not gunna be at DTD till the december monte carlo but i'll definitely come and say hi


Yeah that sounds like me  ;)  we did sit together one other time at DTD with Willie Tann sat between us.
See you at the Monte Carlo    GLGL till then

edit just remembered that was the time and realised you had the TT  ;D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 12, 2011, 05:47:44 PM
Not cried much since my mums funeral but that just bought a lot of emotion back.

That waiting moment for them to stop breathing is the worst. There was 8 of us in the room totally clueless. We all looked blankly at one another and my auntie Carol said "that's it. I'll go get a nurse." As soon as she left the room my mum started breathing again. After 15 mins more silence I looked round the room at all the people with tears in their eyes. I could not bare the silence so just says "cheer up you lot. We all feel pretty bad right now but how bad do you think Carol is feeling trying to kill mum off early?". That broke some tension and my mum passed away a couple of minutes later.

This is great stuff rich


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 05:57:53 PM
Not cried much since my mums funeral but that just bought a lot of emotion back.

That waiting moment for them to stop breathing is the worst. There was 8 of us in the room totally clueless. We all looked blankly at one another and my auntie Carol said "that's it. I'll go get a nurse." As soon as she left the room my mum started breathing again. After 15 mins more silence I looked round the room at all the people with tears in their eyes. I could not bare the silence so just says "cheer up you lot. We all feel pretty bad right now but how bad do you think Carol is feeling trying to kill mum off early?". That broke some tension and my mum passed away a couple of minutes later.

This is great stuff rich
Hi Jason, i knew this would touch a nerve with you especially being so close to your Mum and i think most people will agree that the first anniversaries   ie first birthday/ first mother or fathers day/ first year from actually passing away are the toughest to get through.
Hope you and the family are ok m8 and i look forward to seeing you at the deepstack!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on September 12, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
Amazing stuff Rich. I just sat there with tears in my eyes. Really appreciate the honestly in this, it cant be easy digging up these kinds of things.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 12, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
Yea very emotional. Will be back on the poker soon. Now the oldest has started school and the twins nursery my wife ain't having the "I'm a full time stay at home dad" any longer. And as she is my 50 % manager she has been telling me that my hendonmob ain't getting any flags if I don't play lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 12, 2011, 07:56:54 PM
brilliantly honest story great reading...

brings back memories of when we lost my gran,

 i spent most of the night at the hospice went home to shower had a sleep came back  and missed her passing by five Min's i was heartbroken...still am.

i wish i could write like you ..you tell an amazing story ...please don't stop.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 09:11:08 PM
Amazing stuff Rich. I just sat there with tears in my eyes. Really appreciate the honestly in this, it cant be easy digging up these kinds of things.
Thx JK, TBH it probs makes it easier and its nice to hear +feedback from everyone.

Just working on something now to keep my readers happy when im upto date and then there is no degen activity left

keep em peeled  ::)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
Yea very emotional. Will be back on the poker soon. Now the oldest has started school and the twins nursery my wife ain't having the "I'm a full time stay at home dad" any longer. And as she is my 50 % manager she has been telling me that my hendonmob ain't getting any flags if I don't play lol
Yeah i heard THM had to lay off a member of staff who used to update your flags weekly, they said they will re-advertise the position once you venture out again  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 09:15:41 PM
brilliantly honest story great reading...

brings back memories of when we lost my gran,

 i spent most of the night at the hospice went home to shower had a sleep came back  and missed her passing by five Min's i was heartbroken...still am.

i wish i could write like you ..you tell an amazing story ...please don't stop.


Dont worry there is no stopping yet, one of the things i was happy about was that i was able to be there with my Dad when he went so i truly understand where your coming from mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
TIKAY UPDATE

I forgot to mention this in the past week but Tikay reminded me this weekend i needed to post this...

If anyone is sat at a table with Grandad in the next 6months fear not he will definately have it if he is betting or as he would say "back raising" as last weekend in the £150 at DTD being sat immediately to the left of the big man in the space of 2 hours i saw

1) Tikay do his yearly bluff and show against a young hoodie

2) 1 x Hero call with bottom pair

3) A value bet, well i think Tikay thought it was a value bet but it was really turning his hand into a bluff

4) Finally when he got moved from our table not only did our table cheer but his new table cheered him over knowing not only was the value there but he had chips too..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on September 12, 2011, 09:32:13 PM
Shush.

I gave Chinese Frankie a little lesson yesterday in how to play poo-poo on an A-K-9 flop, too. Frankie said "OK, show us the 3", so I did. Never showed him the 2, though, that woulda been a step too far.

Hope you enjoyed the Sky Poker event, thanks for coming along.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on September 12, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
TIKAY UPDATE

I forgot to mention this in the past week but Tikay reminded me this weekend i needed to post this...

If anyone is sat at a table with Grandad in the next 6months fear not he will definately have it if he is betting or as he would say "back raising" as last weekend in the £150 at DTD being sat immediately to the left of the big man in the space of 2 hours i saw

1) Tikay do his yearly bluff and show against a young hoodie

2) 1 x Hero call with bottom pair

3) A value bet, well i think Tikay thought it was a value bet but it was really turning his hand into a bluff

4) Finally when he got moved from our table not only did our table cheer but his new table cheered him over knowing not only was the value there but he had chips too..


You may not be surprised to know that I have no idea what either of those things are......though if I recall the hand correctly, it was a bit of a Masterclass in how to mangle the nuts.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 12, 2011, 10:14:03 PM
Shush.

I gave Chinese Frankie a little lesson yesterday in how to play poo-poo on an A-K-9 flop, too. Frankie said "OK, show us the 3", so I did. Never showed him the 2, though, that woulda been a step too far.

Hope you enjoyed the Sky Poker event, thanks for coming along.
Really enjoyed it thanks, it was well run and also i spoke to few familiar faces from my neck of the woods and the social interaction from all your players is a massive part of your tour
WD.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 13, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
Nice to meet you also, Richard.  Although I somehow feel that I am now unable to use the word 'degen' ever again...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 11:08:40 AM
Nice to meet you also, Richard.  Although I somehow feel that I am now unable to use the word 'degen' ever again...
Lol thx for the compliment/level   will pm you when i get a chance later this week.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 11:47:49 AM
THE RUN UP TO THE WEDDING!

Dad had always stated that the wedding must go on and with 45 family and friends having let us organise flights and accomodation for them we still had a few bits and pieces left to sort out. We had initially booked everyone to fly from Luton to Bratislava as some were travelling from the midlands and some from down south so it was the best airport to get everyone to so that the coach we had organised could pick everyone up and give them a tour of Bratislava on the friday before taking them to the hotel for a pre wedding meal and then the main event on the Saturday.

So to receive an e-mail saying that our chosen airline of Sky Europe had gone into receivership was a real pain, we frantically looked at the Ryanair flights and rebooked everyone on there with slightly different flying times and also flying from and back into Stanstead then had to write to all the guests to confirm the change which also meant us swallowing the cost of the flights at £70 per head for now in the hope of getting the money back.

Due to my history it should be obv to all that i dont have a credit card and Petra has a low limit card we got her to build a history to enable our property business to start which i shall come onto later so it was booked on a Visa debit card and you dont get the same benefits as with a visa credit card, and despite filling in the e-forms and being promissed a payment before the wedding nothing was appearing. First they lost the form, second they said it needed doing again, third we were told our payment had been processed but i knew they were fobbing us off so when i checked out moneysavingexpert.com i fell across an article called Visa Chargeback where your local bank will not have heard of this or will pretend they have not and refer you to a different dept who will endeavour to delve secretly back into the other parties bank account and reclaim the money. This was now our last hope as the travel insurance does not cover it on a group basis.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 12:08:21 PM
MY BROTHER AND I!!

With Dad having gone and only Iain living in the midlands i was really concious of him being distanced from us and also as he lived closer to the solicitor having to deal with the whole probate side of things and i think my Dad in his last few months was concerned that we could end up just sending each other Birthday and Christmas cards and that would be that, I am sure he also thought as soon as i got my hands on my share of the inheritance it would be gone within 6 months and who knows he may have been right.

But i had now got a greater sense of values and being stable in my position within the agency was determined to prove Dad wrong on both points, so having sniffed out a couple of property deals i convinced Iain that unless he had some greater plan for the money we should really invest it into property and should not sell Dads place but start to build ourselves a nice portfolio with a minimum 5 year plan.  He agreed and we secured our first 2 properties both were repossesions one flat in Essex for £88k and a detached house for £153k  plus we had to give the family of the previous owner £12k cash as this property was really a distressed sale whereby the Lady we were dealing with was the mum and her Son had decided to commit suicide on the day we went to repossess the house with the bailiff, I had got to know her really well and the bank involved didnt want any publicity about us turning up and finding him there so had just instructed us to sell the property.

When an investor i had put the family in touch with failed to get the money we stepped in in the knowledge this house was worth £235k even in 2009 and it took us 1 month of full work to refurbish the house doing everything except the kitchen units which were fine and the double glazing which would do for now, infact the day we started work we had a tenant lined up who is still there to this day and just signed for another 2 years :)

I knew getting my brother involved in the property game would be good for our relationship and also mean that i could prove everyone wrong about spunking my inheritance....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 13, 2011, 12:33:29 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 01:09:47 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.
Lolz  srry for the slow roll but its what the readers want how am i gonna get to 100k reads if all i put is  buy properties- market crashes- lose pots of money- win lottery- end thread  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 13, 2011, 01:43:45 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.
Lolz  srry for the slow roll but its what the readers want how am i gonna get to 100k reads if all i put is  buy properties- market crashes- lose pots of money- win lottery- end thread  ;)

lol, fair enough...I'll just sit back and relax myself by reading Boshi's diary.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on September 13, 2011, 03:51:33 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.
Lolz  srry for the slow roll but its what the readers want how am i gonna get to 100k reads if all i put is  buy properties- market crashes- lose pots of money- win lottery- end thread  ;)

Lol - no need to read, now we know the ending.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.
Lolz  srry for the slow roll but its what the readers want how am i gonna get to 100k reads if all i put is  buy properties- market crashes- lose pots of money- win lottery- end thread  ;)

Lol - no need to read, now we know the ending.
If i won the Lottery Lucky do you think i would turn up at Luton on a Sunday   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 05:19:25 PM
WEDDINGS AND PROPERTIES!!

The 3 weeks run up to the wedding went as smooth as you can hope for considering we were getting married abroad and organisng most bits from the Uk it all went well, we travelled a week before the date itself and were staying a week after the guests had gone to have a mini honeymoon in the High Tatras Mountains at a spa resort before coming back to England for 6 weeks then leaving for the Safari Honeymoon.

We were also now involved in the purchase of 4 properties in total, the 2 all ready mentioned and then a house for us and a property in the Midlands my brother had found that looked cheap a would be a good renter. None of the properties could go in my name due to my past so they were all in the wifes maiden name or my brothers name so in reality the worst possible thing that could have happened would be for Petra to run off with my brother, obv this has not happened and we subsequently put declarations of trust in place for all properties to protect all involved.

Running around in Slovakia a week before the wedding was fun, I dont and still dont speak much Slovak and Petra's family speak no English but apart from us collecting the cake and seeing it slide off the tray going around a corner on the way to the castle where the reception was held there was no stress.

The wedding was always going to be emotional as there was all our families there and not only my dad had passed away that year but Petra's Grandma in the January but they were toasted in the speeches and remembered during the day and would have enjoyed looking down on the overall event which was bathed in sunlight and enjoyed by all.

I will post a few photos and try to upload the shortened version of the wedding DVD for those that have not seen an Eastern European wedding before with some of the traditions that we dont have over here, infact English weddings are very boring in comparison and will then carry on with my tale...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 13, 2011, 06:36:12 PM
An hour and a half later and the sequel to the above not yet posted?...FFS, hurry up man, I need to know what happened next.
Lolz  srry for the slow roll but its what the readers want how am i gonna get to 100k reads if all i put is  buy properties- market crashes- lose pots of money- win lottery- end thread  ;)

lol, fair enough...I'll just sit back and relax myself by reading Boshi's diary.
careful. you may go the way of the previous owners son.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Whollyflush on September 13, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
great read!

Is there any decent literature out and about for 1st time home buyers?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 07:29:39 PM
great read!

Is there any decent literature out and about for 1st time home buyers?
Not really but feel free to ask anything itt or PM me if you would like anything directly, i will always try to help anyone out.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 13, 2011, 07:40:07 PM
Feel free to post all video's that petra may be in.:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 07:53:34 PM
Feel free to post all video's that petra may be in.:)
Lol the one with you cant be there as cant get widescreen on here!!
PS start trolling updating your own diary   :-*


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 13, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
brilliantly honest story great reading...

brings back memories of when we lost my gran,

 i spent most of the night at the hospice went home to shower had a sleep came back  and missed her passing by five Min's i was heartbroken...still am.

i wish i could write like you ..you tell an amazing story ...please don't stop.


Dont worry there is no stopping yet, one of the things i was happy about was that i was able to be there with my Dad when he went so i truly understand where your coming from mate.

i was really close to my gran to the point where i spoke at the funeral,
 held it together all day got home and sobbed like a baby.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 13, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
brilliantly honest story great reading...

brings back memories of when we lost my gran,

 i spent most of the night at the hospice went home to shower had a sleep came back  and missed her passing by five Min's i was heartbroken...still am.

i wish i could write like you ..you tell an amazing story ...please don't stop.


Dont worry there is no stopping yet, one of the things i was happy about was that i was able to be there with my Dad when he went so i truly understand where your coming from mate.

i was really close to my gran to the point where i spoke at the funeral,
 held it together all day got home and sobbed like a baby.
Yeah we both spoke at the funeral to, one of the toughest things i have had to do and being in sales i dont mind standing up and speaking in front of people.
Its good to cry sometimes!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 15, 2011, 05:57:47 PM
Over the next 48 hours i am going to endeavour to put up some photo's and the mini dvd as discussed, today though had a day off and spent it with Petra and Max which was nice as it was a great day perfect for walking by the sea.

Need to put some volume in online till the end of the month but the £150 6max at DTD on Sat is drawing me in just need to get a pass out from Petra  ;)

On the betting front had a loser y/day >:( when Lille couldnt hold from 2-0 up

Today i have had a max bet on horse i have been waiting to come out since it's last run  im on at 2/1 best odd gtd on Ducal in the 8.40 Kempton as i missed 9/4 but there are some n/r now so would have been in for a rule4 if i put on earlier.

GL to all Blondes playing in the deepstack tourney in Birmingham and also tomy bud Karl Snow of Bankroll supply think this could suit him and hope he gets a deep run.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 15, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
Ps

Next week there is the start of a degen challenge itt that is hopefully going to bring in some £££££


thx Vinny for the idea   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
Ps

Next week there is the start of a degen challenge itt that is hopefully going to bring in some £££££


thx Vinny for the idea   ;)

Wiiiiiiii Finally!!!
Remember ya mentioning something about this a while back...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 15, 2011, 08:44:24 PM
Over the next 48 hours i am going to endeavour to put up some photo's and the mini dvd as discussed, today though had a day off and spent it with Petra and Max which was nice as it was a great day perfect for walking by the sea.

Need to put some volume in online till the end of the month but the £150 6max at DTD on Sat is drawing me in just need to get a pass out from Petra  ;)

On the betting front had a loser y/day >:( when Lille couldnt hold from 2-0 up

Today i have had a max bet on horse i have been waiting to come out since it's last run  im on at 2/1 best odd gtd on Ducal in the 8.40 Kempton as i missed 9/4 but there are some n/r now so would have been in for a rule4 if i put on earlier.

GL to all Blondes playing in the deepstack tourney in Birmingham and also tomy bud Karl Snow of Bankroll supply think this could suit him and hope he gets a deep run.


[ ] Went well but cant complain as been running good lately


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 15, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
Ps

Next week there is the start of a degen challenge itt that is hopefully going to bring in some £££££


thx Vinny for the idea   ;)

Wiiiiiiii Finally!!!
Remember ya mentioning something about this a while back...

Yep  next week is the start, hope it goes well  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2011, 08:48:06 PM
Let me chuck some dolla in.... ;-)
Just know ya going to smash it..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 15, 2011, 09:10:19 PM
Let me chuck some dolla in.... ;-)
Just know ya going to smash it..
Well its gonna be self explanatory mate so please feel free to follow, hope its gonna give me/you anyone else a sweat....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 15, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
I going to follow i think your going to smash it and I have no idea what it is !!! Tell us sooooooooon


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 15, 2011, 09:58:29 PM
I going to follow i think your going to smash it and I have no idea what it is !!! Tell us sooooooooon

I also have no idea lee what he's got planned, he said i'd have to wait.. (slow roll i guess) but he is a legend so i'm looking forward to it..  ;tightend;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 15, 2011, 11:58:50 PM
His degen challenge has the potential to provide the greatest/sickest sweat ever seen on blonde.

Looking forward to it a lot.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 17, 2011, 10:47:02 AM
I dont care what it is i'm in


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 17, 2011, 11:14:21 AM
I dont care what it is i'm in

+1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 17, 2011, 11:27:20 AM
I dont care what it is i'm in


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 17, 2011, 01:09:56 PM
Well as you can see still no photos but thats due to my laziness tbh, can someone please post itt or pm me how to put a dvd clip on?

Last week i mentioned winning a grand on a horse called Sirius Prospect (defo a horse to follow next season) and 3 runs ago when it won at Windsor over 5f it beat a horse called Sluggsy Morant who then came out and won at Goodwood. Sirius Prospect then won the race last week 2 grades higher so the form has a solid look to it.   I like Sluggsy Morant today and have had a very nice each way bet on at 8/1 plus a saver on Perfect Pastime (2nd last time to Sluggsy) at average odds of 27/1 on B/F.

Gonna leave work early today and drive up to DTD for the £150 six max and then sunday evening will defo put up some photos get the diary up to date and then reveal a degen sweat for peeps to follow.

GL anyone i know left in the deepstack today   esp Golden Goulder!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on September 17, 2011, 03:24:24 PM
only way i know for a dvd clip would be to upload it 1st on youtube, then attach the clip


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 17, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Ffs slowroll


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: class on September 18, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
sunday evening will defo put up some photos get the diary up to date and then reveal a degen sweat for peeps to follow.


Sick slowroll.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   finally worked it out  here we go!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on September 18, 2011, 08:28:46 PM
Good to meet you yesterday, even if it was a little bit brief. I'll get you a beer next time you're in Nottingham.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
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Petra, myself,my Mum and Brother (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/blonde2h.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:31:01 PM
Good to meet you yesterday, even if it was a little bit brief. I'll get you a beer next time you're in Nottingham.
You to Kin,   see you at Deepstack?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 18, 2011, 08:40:58 PM
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/626/blonde2h.jpg)]

Petra, myself,my Mum and Brother
 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/blonde2h.jpg/)

Wow. Petra's a lot older than I expected.

Can you introduce me to your Mum pls?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on September 18, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
Good to meet you yesterday, even if it was a little bit brief. I'll get you a beer next time you're in Nottingham.
You to Kin,   see you at Deepstack?

Quite possibly.

(PS, you've landed on your feet with Petra - ;hattip;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
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Petra, myself,my Mum and Brother
 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/blonde2h.jpg/)

Wow. Petra's a lot older than I expected.

Can you introduce me to your Mum pls?
Lolz,  run better next year!! x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:51:48 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 08:55:07 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: cambridgealex on September 18, 2011, 09:02:56 PM
awwwwwww!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 18, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
Great pics Rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 18, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
Great pics Rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 09:27:18 PM
Enough Photos for now, will try the dvd next!! GL me

Had a pretty rubbish weekend punting wise, trying something on the footie that broke even but i think will show a profit and could be good. Both horses i fancied ran like drains and today did a Liverpool/ Man Utd double then when Liverpool went 3 down stuck a healthy single on Man Utd and have placed all my winnings on Dallas -2.5pts to beat San Francisco in the American Football as all the shrewdies are on!!

Pokerwise i drove up to DTD on Saturday night for the £150 six max leaving Southend at 4.15 and arriving at just before 7 late regging i get a seat in pos to Tommy Kuggelstadt but spewed half my stack with AK AK and AQ but rebuilt to 13k, folded to some heat and then with rising blinds found myself at 6k needing a double up which came when my 66 held vs A10. Unfortunately 3 hands later at 3/600 and just about to go 4/800 and a stack of 13k i shove over a raise to 1500 utg and a flat from Herbie with  8s 8d the O/R folds and Jason calls with AQo and rivers the Queen and back down the M1 we went.

Good comp though probs needs something to back it up on Sunday Aft (ie earlier than 8pm comp) so that more southern based players might give it a spin..

Come on the cowboys..

Tomorrow i reveal the Eso challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on September 18, 2011, 09:27:29 PM
Fantastic pics Rich.

Petra is so beautiful and Maxwell is quite a cutie but where did he get that dirty laugh from?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
Fantastic pics Rich.

Petra is so beautiful and Maxwell is quite a cutie but where did he get that dirty laugh from?
Thx, I think all his best attributes are from Petra!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on September 18, 2011, 10:00:41 PM
Fantastic pics Rich.

Petra is so beautiful and Maxwell is quite a cutie but where did he get that dirty laugh from?
Thx, I think all his best attributes are from Petra!  ;)

Even his impressive balls?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 18, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
Fantastic pics Rich.

Petra is so beautiful and Maxwell is quite a cutie but where did he get that dirty laugh from?
Thx, I think all his best attributes are from Petra!  ;)

Even his impressive balls?
Yeah these Slovak Broads m8   mahoooooooooooooooosive  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 12:44:18 AM
Enough Photos for now, will try the dvd next!! GL me

Had a pretty rubbish weekend punting wise, trying something on the footie that broke even but i think will show a profit and could be good. Both horses i fancied ran like drains and today did a Liverpool/ Man Utd double then when Liverpool went 3 down stuck a healthy single on Man Utd and have placed all my winnings on Dallas -2.5pts to beat San Francisco in the American Football as all the shrewdies are on!!

Pokerwise i drove up to DTD on Saturday night for the £150 six max leaving Southend at 4.15 and arriving at just before 7 late regging i get a seat in pos to Tommy Kuggelstadt but spewed half my stack with AK AK and AQ but rebuilt to 13k, folded to some heat and then with rising blinds found myself at 6k needing a double up which came when my 66 held vs A10. Unfortunately 3 hands later at 3/600 and just about to go 4/800 and a stack of 13k i shove over a raise to 1500 utg and a flat from Herbie with  8s 8d the O/R folds and Jason calls with AQo and rivers the Queen and back down the M1 we went.

Good comp though probs needs something to back it up on Sunday Aft (ie earlier than 8pm comp) so that more southern based players might give it a spin..

Come on the cowboys..

Tomorrow i reveal the Eso challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Found a live stream and stayed up to watch this, Had £200 on Man Utd putting the lot on Dallas -2.5on B/F which they managed to win in OT so its now been a profitable weekend.  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on September 19, 2011, 01:04:55 AM
Jelly.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 19, 2011, 01:06:36 AM
Enough Photos for now, will try the dvd next!! GL me

Had a pretty rubbish weekend punting wise, trying something on the footie that broke even but i think will show a profit and could be good. Both horses i fancied ran like drains and today did a Liverpool/ Man Utd double then when Liverpool went 3 down stuck a healthy single on Man Utd and have placed all my winnings on Dallas -2.5pts to beat San Francisco in the American Football as all the shrewdies are on!!

Pokerwise i drove up to DTD on Saturday night for the £150 six max leaving Southend at 4.15 and arriving at just before 7 late regging i get a seat in pos to Tommy Kuggelstadt but spewed half my stack with AK AK and AQ but rebuilt to 13k, folded to some heat and then with rising blinds found myself at 6k needing a double up which came when my 66 held vs A10. Unfortunately 3 hands later at 3/600 and just about to go 4/800 and a stack of 13k i shove over a raise to 1500 utg and a flat from Herbie with  8s 8d the O/R folds and Jason calls with AQo and rivers the Queen and back down the M1 we went.

Good comp though probs needs something to back it up on Sunday Aft (ie earlier than 8pm comp) so that more southern based players might give it a spin..

Come on the cowboys..

Tomorrow i reveal the Eso challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Found a live stream and stayed up to watch this, Had £200 on Man Utd putting the lot on Dallas -2.5on B/F which they managed to win in OT so its now been a profitable weekend.  ;)
WP us mortals were all  on -3 and knocked it in :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Mitch on September 19, 2011, 02:24:19 AM
Mbn


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on September 19, 2011, 02:46:39 AM
i cant see the pics. tilt.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 08:06:59 AM
i cant see the pics. tit.

FYP   x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
Enough Photos for now, will try the dvd next!! GL me

Had a pretty rubbish weekend punting wise, trying something on the footie that broke even but i think will show a profit and could be good. Both horses i fancied ran like drains and today did a Liverpool/ Man Utd double then when Liverpool went 3 down stuck a healthy single on Man Utd and have placed all my winnings on Dallas -2.5pts to beat San Francisco in the American Football as all the shrewdies are on!!

Pokerwise i drove up to DTD on Saturday night for the £150 six max leaving Southend at 4.15 and arriving at just before 7 late regging i get a seat in pos to Tommy Kuggelstadt but spewed half my stack with AK AK and AQ but rebuilt to 13k, folded to some heat and then with rising blinds found myself at 6k needing a double up which came when my 66 held vs A10. Unfortunately 3 hands later at 3/600 and just about to go 4/800 and a stack of 13k i shove over a raise to 1500 utg and a flat from Herbie with  8s 8d the O/R folds and Jason calls with AQo and rivers the Queen and back down the M1 we went.

Good comp though probs needs something to back it up on Sunday Aft (ie earlier than 8pm comp) so that more southern based players might give it a spin..

Come on the cowboys..

Tomorrow i reveal the Eso challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Found a live stream and stayed up to watch this, Had £200 on Man Utd putting the lot on Dallas -2.5on B/F which they managed to win in OT so its now been a profitable weekend.  ;)
WP us mortals were all  on -3 and knocked it in :(
yeah i read thread after the match and realised only on B/F was it 2.5 but odds were 1.79 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
As i said i am trying something out for pennies on the football atm and this was the first weekend, i cant reveal yet what im doing but i actually had a 1265/1 winner and yet broke even but was only a few results away from scooping 25x my stake.  Think this will defo show a good profit over the season and will probs post here once i have fine tuned it!!

Workwise is really tough atm, in our area people just are not buying and its like pulling teeth trying to get them to even commit to a viewing!  >:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
ESO'S CHALLENGE   £40 to £100k MINIMUM

Ok i have spoken to a few people on here about what i am going to try and do, its got a bit of degen in there and over a period of time is not going to hurt me plus could provide quite a big sweat!!

Basically i remember earlier this year a guy started with an £8000 bet and punted his way to circa £400k iirc eventually losing on his 26th bet when he put the lot (less £80k for his wedding) on Djokovic to beat Fedderer in the French open Semi final and had stated if this won he was going to stop and buy a house, obv he lost and has not been heard of since.

I am not going to do it with 1 bullet but am going to start at £40 and give myself 100 goes ( ie £4000) at trying to get approx 20-25 correct in a row, i dont know whether i will get there and if i dont it does not matter too much as i reckon it will take approx a year to do the roll in.  I am going to do most of it on Betfair and will photo the screen and post itt once i am matched so there is no aftertiming!

There will be some caveats I am putting in and they are   A) I will only pull out money if say i have had 50 pops (£2000) and i am up to 6k on a bet i may withdraw my 2k so i still have 100 bullets and the next bet would be 4k.  B) If the roll drops to 2k i may change to a reduced stake of £20 starting bet and still have 100 pops at it.

I will mostly be playing at odds on and on mainstream events and will not be betting everyday just on events i fancy, but if anyone wants to post itt the odd tip please feel free.  Some people i have spoken to have said can they give me say £400 and do it on a smaller level to win 10k but after Blatchgate i have no interest in this, please dont take it personally just open up a betfair account and do it that way!

I dont know if its gonna be possible but i will have a bloody good try at it and am sure we will have a few good sweats along the way, some have said will i really have 70k on an event after say 20 winners but i am determined to break 100k so yes i will and whilst i am aware the higher i go it may be difficult to get the whole lot on i will find a way and have already thought of this but will obv post on this when i need to.

Will let you know when the first selection is and if i my next post will let you know what i am going to do with the winnings  ;)

GL anyone who joins in!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
WHEN I WIN THE WORLD!

When and if i scoop somewhere between 20-25 bets time half of the monies is going to Petra to squirrel away for a rather tasty extension and loft conversion for "Chez Eso" and to start her off a little business we have been thinking of, the other half is gong to be usedon a couple of years of Poker where basically i am going to take some shots at events i would not ordinarrily buy direct into.

I have not yet been to Vegas and played Poker as when i lived in California for 6months was not interested in the game so this would defo form part of the events!

Look out later this week for the first selection!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 19, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Good luck with this Rich, having recently scooped £400 on a £10 x 6 team accu I might join you on your journey.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on September 19, 2011, 12:59:21 PM
y u no play online? :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on September 19, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
Good Luck Rich.

Quite possibly going to be the worst bankroll management excercise in history but would love to see you hit the £100k.

"it's got a bit of degen in there" <<< ROFL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 01:04:14 PM
y u no play online? :P
Sorry Boss been busy with life stuff this past couple of weeks, will be on this week if you fancy a session and will be shipping your % tomoz to usual x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 01:05:19 PM
Good luck with this Rich, having recently scooped £400 on a £10 x 6 team accu I might join you on your journey.
Cool Cool  its gonna be really boring at the start till 10 winners in, but you gotta get from A to B


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 01:09:41 PM
Good Luck Rich.

Quite possibly going to be the worst bankroll management excercise in history but would love to see you hit the £100k.

"it's got a bit of degen in there" <<< ROFL
TYTY obv this is not my life roll or poker roll and i reckon it will take me at least a year to knock it in so i look at it as an investment of entertainment at £80 per week, with a chance to win big and will most likely be the majority of my betting!  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 19, 2011, 06:25:57 PM
This is genius....I'd like to get involved, and may mirror your challenge - although as a recovering degen was trying to work out when my leg goes and I bottle it - you going to use this thread or diversify the Eso brand and put a separate challenge one up on Betting board? Think it would be fun if a few of us gave a go and see who did best - obv without hijacking your idea. Never ever going to be £80 a week unless you run real bad fwiw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 19, 2011, 06:36:40 PM
This is genius....I'd like to get involved, and may mirror your challenge - although as a recovering degen was trying to work out when my leg goes and I bottle it - you going to use this thread or diversify the Eso brand and put a separate challenge one up on Betting board? Think it would be fun if a few of us gave a go and see who did best - obv without hijacking your idea. Never ever going to be £80 a week unless you run real bad fwiw

Simples- start 2 challenges and only bottle it on the 1.
:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 07:19:37 PM
This is genius....I'd like to get involved, and may mirror your challenge - although as a recovering degen was trying to work out when my leg goes and I bottle it - you going to use this thread or diversify the Eso brand and put a separate challenge one up on Betting board? Think it would be fun if a few of us gave a go and see who did best - obv without hijacking your idea. Never ever going to be £80 a week unless you run real bad fwiw

Yeah i think the roll will likely last 1 1/2 years so £80 p week was worst case in which case   meh

I will open another thread on Betting Tips and Sports Discussion and link it to this once i post my first selection or people interested are welcome to use this thread.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 19, 2011, 08:42:08 PM
After our chat at dtd been wanting to post ...

But said I wouldn't until you had.

I am  going to join you but at the £400 not 4k ...to rich for me rich.

But I am going to have to wait till November  to join you ....as I said taking the family away in October.

Really hope you you do well in this I only wanted you to take my money cos I think I will bottle it if I get dem 15/20 up.
But understand after blatch


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 19, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
Also pm sent


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: titaniumbean on September 19, 2011, 08:51:31 PM
Mbn


Run better Rich!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Doobs on September 19, 2011, 08:56:22 PM
ESO'S CHALLENGE   £40 to £100k MINIMUM

Ok i have spoken to a few people on here about what i am going to try and do, its got a bit of degen in there and over a period of time is not going to hurt me plus could provide quite a big sweat!!

Basically i remember earlier this year a guy started with an £8000 bet and punted his way to circa £400k iirc eventually losing on his 26th bet when he put the lot (less £80k for his wedding) on Djokovic to beat Fedderer in the French open Semi final and had stated if this won he was going to stop and buy a house, obv he lost and has not been heard of since.

I am not going to do it with 1 bullet but am going to start at £40 and give myself 100 goes ( ie £4000) at trying to get approx 20-25 correct in a row, i dont know whether i will get there and if i dont it does not matter too much as i reckon it will take approx a year to do the roll in.  I am going to do most of it on Betfair and will photo the screen and post itt once i am matched so there is no aftertiming!

There will be some caveats I am putting in and they are   A) I will only pull out money if say i have had 50 pops (£2000) and i am up to 6k on a bet i may withdraw my 2k so i still have 100 bullets and the next bet would be 4k.  B) If the roll drops to 2k i may change to a reduced stake of £20 starting bet and still have 100 pops at it.

I will mostly be playing at odds on and on mainstream events and will not be betting everyday just on events i fancy, but if anyone wants to post itt the odd tip please feel free.  Some people i have spoken to have said can they give me say £400 and do it on a smaller level to win 10k but after Blatchgate i have no interest in this, please dont take it personally just open up a betfair account and do it that way!

I dont know if its gonna be possible but i will have a bloody good try at it and am sure we will have a few good sweats along the way, some have said will i really have 70k on an event after say 20 winners but i am determined to break 100k so yes i will and whilst i am aware the higher i go it may be difficult to get the whole lot on i will find a way and have already thought of this but will obv post on this when i need to.

Will let you know when the first selection is and if i my next post will let you know what i am going to do with the winnings  ;)

GL anyone who joins in!!



Doesn't this just fall over when there isn't enough liquidity in the betfair markets.  Either that or you end up skewing the market so much with your £50k bet that the odds you take are bound to be terrible?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: edgascoigne on September 19, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
Doesn't this just fall over when there isn't enough liquidity in the betfair markets.  Either that or you end up skewing the market so much with your £50k bet that the odds you take are bound to be terrible?

Largely accurate, though not quite perfectly so. Essentially as the bet size grows you become increasingly limited in the choice of markets you can 'efficiently' bet into. Short priced Premier League teams, heavy favourites in the tennis etc. will be fine, though anything rather more niche and as Doobs says you will be heavily eroding your EV.

All of which said, the very best of luck to you Eso Kral. A truly absorbing diary.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 19, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
gl Rich, had a good run on footy but tennis is the game to edge ur way on betfair.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 19, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Doesn't this just fall over when there isn't enough liquidity in the betfair markets.  Either that or you end up skewing the market so much with your £50k bet that the odds you take are bound to be terrible?

Largely accurate, though not quite perfectly so. Essentially as the bet size grows you become increasingly limited in the choice of markets you can 'efficiently' bet into. Short priced Premier League teams, heavy favourites in the tennis etc. will be fine, though anything rather more niche and as Doobs says you will be heavily eroding your EV.

All of which said, the very best of luck to you Eso Kral. A truly absorbing diary.
Totally


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 19, 2011, 09:52:12 PM
dont fall asleep b4 u trade out rotflmfao


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
ESO'S CHALLENGE   £40 to £100k MINIMUM

Ok i have spoken to a few people on here about what i am going to try and do, its got a bit of degen in there and over a period of time is not going to hurt me plus could provide quite a big sweat!!

Basically i remember earlier this year a guy started with an £8000 bet and punted his way to circa £400k iirc eventually losing on his 26th bet when he put the lot (less £80k for his wedding) on Djokovic to beat Fedderer in the French open Semi final and had stated if this won he was going to stop and buy a house, obv he lost and has not been heard of since.

I am not going to do it with 1 bullet but am going to start at £40 and give myself 100 goes ( ie £4000) at trying to get approx 20-25 correct in a row, i dont know whether i will get there and if i dont it does not matter too much as i reckon it will take approx a year to do the roll in.  I am going to do most of it on Betfair and will photo the screen and post itt once i am matched so there is no aftertiming!

There will be some caveats I am putting in and they are   A) I will only pull out money if say i have had 50 pops (£2000) and i am up to 6k on a bet i may withdraw my 2k so i still have 100 bullets and the next bet would be 4k.  B) If the roll drops to 2k i may change to a reduced stake of £20 starting bet and still have 100 pops at it.

I will mostly be playing at odds on and on mainstream events and will not be betting everyday just on events i fancy, but if anyone wants to post itt the odd tip please feel free.  Some people i have spoken to have said can they give me say £400 and do it on a smaller level to win 10k but after Blatchgate i have no interest in this, please dont take it personally just open up a betfair account and do it that way!

I dont know if its gonna be possible but i will have a bloody good try at it and am sure we will have a few good sweats along the way, some have said will i really have 70k on an event after say 20 winners but i am determined to break 100k so yes i will and whilst i am aware the higher i go it may be difficult to get the whole lot on i will find a way and have already thought of this but will obv post on this when i need to.

Will let you know when the first selection is and if i my next post will let you know what i am going to do with the winnings  ;)

GL anyone who joins in!!



Doesn't this just fall over when there isn't enough liquidity in the betfair markets.  Either that or you end up skewing the market so much with your £50k bet that the odds you take are bound to be terrible?
Hi Doobs,  Yeah in the later stages i need to be ultra selective in terms of markets or i need to do it in shops only and approach a chain say from day one and tell them i'm prepared to knock in 4k and if i make it obv they get all the publicity so therefore loads of people wanting to try it and in no time they get the 100k back!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:12:12 PM
TYTY


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:13:35 PM
Doesn't this just fall over when there isn't enough liquidity in the betfair markets.  Either that or you end up skewing the market so much with your £50k bet that the odds you take are bound to be terrible?

Largely accurate, though not quite perfectly so. Essentially as the bet size grows you become increasingly limited in the choice of markets you can 'efficiently' bet into. Short priced Premier League teams, heavy favourites in the tennis etc. will be fine, though anything rather more niche and as Doobs says you will be heavily eroding your EV.

All of which said, the very best of luck to you Eso Kral. A truly absorbing diary.
TY Ed i agree and have already thought that televised events will be the way to go in the later stages but if when i get there will worry about it then  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:14:58 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPcqIcimBw


Our mini Wedding DVD.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on September 19, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
cant believe you didn't make petra do the sweeping up bud


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
cant believe you didn't make petra do the sweeping up bud
Lolz you obv didnt see the bit in church when i whispered in her ear "when you see me sweeping up in the reception,its the last time i will be holding the broom"  ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:40:06 PM
After our chat at dtd been wanting to post ...

But said I wouldn't until you had.

I am  going to join you but at the £400 not 4k ...to rich for me rich.

But I am going to have to wait till November  to join you ....as I said taking the family away in October.

Really hope you you do well in this I only wanted you to take my money cos I think I will bottle it if I get dem 15/20 up.
But understand after blatch
Yeah dont worry about waiting till November i am sure i will have had a few tries by then, you wont bottle it mate and even if you did invest it wisely on the family!!
Nice chatting to you George on Saturday  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
only way i know for a dvd clip would be to upload it 1st on youtube, then attach the clip
Thx M8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on September 19, 2011, 11:17:56 PM
gl with this rich, but i really dont think u will get any of the bets on if you reached 5 figures, hope you do be good to sweat with you :)         unless of course you get a bookie to agree with it 1st

but what difference is there between putting a 25-30 selections odds on accy, you will get that bet on easily. (other than the degen sweat :) )


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 11:26:17 PM
POST WEDDING!

Well after the wedding and 2nd Honeymoon in Tanzania and Zanzibar we returned to the UK and started to build our property portfolio further with the purchase of another property in the Midlands and also our own family home located in Leigh on Sea which was the best reposession i have ever been into.  The property was spotless, in a good area infact the previous owners even cleaned the place before they left and believe me that does not happen with this type of sale.

7 Months after moving in we were delighted to find out that Petra was pregnant and as you will already have seen on 23rd March this year Maxwell Andrew Blacklock was born, we have our ups and downs like most couples but really strive to work on things as a team.

It was probably around the time of getting married I first looked at Blonde and lurked as a reader for a few months and then i started speaking to a few guys at various events around the UK.

Pokerwise the past year since i started posting more has been ok with a final table in the deepstack in December where i got counterfeited in a spewy villain dependant spot to finish 8th, then finished 3rd in the Help for Hero's Event at DTD and last month had an even 3way chop in the £100 side on deepstack weekend with a few other minor cashes in other events.

Earlier ITT i said that "you never regret what you have done in life, only what you didnt try or turned down" and i firmly believe this as throughout all the bad stuff and all the scrapes i have got myself into without that I would not be where I am today and most likely wouldnt be with Petra had Max etc etc.  I would however give up all the materialistic things today though if it meant my Dad was still alive as tbh it was only with his passing that I was able to start from scratch and build up our portfolio and start to build our future as well a make sure my Brother was ok....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 19, 2011, 11:30:38 PM
GL in Your betting adventure Rich, and family should be paramount, glad you have risen from the flames.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 11:31:14 PM
gl with this rich, but i really dont think u will get any of the bets on if you reached 5 figures, hope you do be good to sweat with you :)         unless of course you get a bookie to agree with it 1st

but what difference is there between putting a 25-30 selections odds on accy, you will get that bet on easily. (other than the degen sweat :) )

I think there are ways of getting money on but BF is defo the best way, in answer to your Q IMO the main difference is every week you see people put on these acca's and i think that its easier to pick a really strong bet every few days as opposed to one big acca where 1 or 2 teams will most likely let you down.   Bookies hate big singles but love the big accas!!

I only need 3-4 really big bets though to reach my goal the other numbers will always have liquidity on many markets on BF...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2011, 11:56:14 PM
Also pm sent
Not received bud..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 20, 2011, 10:31:59 AM
you might just be completely mental

I like.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 20, 2011, 10:35:08 AM
you might just be completely mental

I like.
Which bit  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 20, 2011, 10:57:12 AM
will send again after work .....don't know what happen there?!!?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 20, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
will send again after work .....don't know what happen there?!!?
np


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Foggy on September 20, 2011, 04:49:24 PM
Never met you Rich, but can say you really are an interesting person.

Terrific story so far that has kept me wanting more with every post ( first read today) makes a great story to equal the likes of Big Deal with Robbie Box ( some of you older guys will remember)

Good Luck in the future for you and your family


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 20, 2011, 04:51:36 PM
Never met you Rich, but can say you really are an interesting person.

Terrific story so far that has kept me wanting more with every post ( first read today) makes a great story to equal the likes of Big Deal with Robbie Box ( some of you older guys will remember)

Good Luck in the future for you and your family
TY Foggy, I think i have seen you on the updates at DTD before. If you are there in a couple of weeks i will make sure i say hello.

Thanks for the good luck wishes.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on September 20, 2011, 06:14:04 PM
If each bet was even money you would only need 12 winning bets to get to £163k and chances of success are just over 4000-1. Given that you have 100 pops at this the chance of success would be 400-1. (I think)

Might do the math (unless you already have) to see calculate odds needed to hit the £100k after 15/20/25 bets.

£4k on a 25/1 shot just doesn't have the same appeal.

Good Luck.

edit: at 1.45 you get to £100k @21 wins (almost!)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 21, 2011, 09:42:47 AM
Have i missed you telling us the plans for your future binkage?

When is this shiz starting. I am coming along on a smaller scale.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
Have i missed you telling us the plans for your future binkage?
Page 36 "WHEN I WIN THE WORLD"

When is this shiz starting. I am coming along on a smaller scale.
Cool cool  gonna start at the weekend  keep watching!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 09:55:31 AM
Estate Agency and the Recession!!

We have not sold a house since the 3rd of September and were in the top 2 agents in this town, this is bad!!!!

I would be concerned if we were not doing all the things that you can do to get houses on the market and to get interest in them but its still a bit worrying all the same.  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 21, 2011, 09:59:44 AM
Estate Agency and the Recession!!

We have not sold a house since the 3rd of September and were in the top 2 agents in this town, this is bad!!!!

I would be concerned if we were not doing all the things that you can do to get houses on the market and to get interest in them but its still a bit worrying all the same.  :(

What's your view of things to come in the next couple of years Rich?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 21, 2011, 10:01:30 AM
WHEN I WIN THE WORLD!

When and if i scoop somewhere between 20-25 bets time half of the monies is going to Petra to squirrel away for a rather tasty extension and loft conversion for "Chez Eso" and to start her off a little business we have been thinking of, the other half is gong to be usedon a couple of years of Poker where basically i am going to take some shots at events i would not ordinarrily buy direct into.

I have not yet been to Vegas and played Poker as when i lived in California for 6months was not interested in the game so this would defo form part of the events!

Look out later this week for the first selection!

Sigh, i had read it. Obv i expected to see ESO's 50K to 1 MIRRION instead. Sensibles ftw.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
Estate Agency and the Recession!!

We have not sold a house since the 3rd of September and were in the top 2 agents in this town, this is bad!!!!

I would be concerned if we were not doing all the things that you can do to get houses on the market and to get interest in them but its still a bit worrying all the same.  :(

What's your view of things to come in the next couple of years Rich?
Personally Stu i think that its gonna be a tough as its the low interest rates that are keeping a lot of people from drowning and they cant stay low forever, if and when they move up and the economy is not better this will create the next wave of repossessions.
If people are thinking of downsizing i would stay put if your upsizing i would wait till the market got a touch worse and then take a hit on your own prop and then jump up a bit if your risk averse and be in a better prop when the market comes back.

Defo money to be made this way!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 11:43:01 AM
WHEN I WIN THE WORLD!

When and if i scoop somewhere between 20-25 bets time half of the monies is going to Petra to squirrel away for a rather tasty extension and loft conversion for "Chez Eso" and to start her off a little business we have been thinking of, the other half is gong to be usedon a couple of years of Poker where basically i am going to take some shots at events i would not ordinarrily buy direct into.

I have not yet been to Vegas and played Poker as when i lived in California for 6months was not interested in the game so this would defo form part of the events!Look out later this week for the first selection!

Sigh, i had read it. Obv i expected to see ESO's 50K to 1 MIRRION instead. Sensibles ftw.
See above  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 11:54:10 AM
A few pages back i posted how i got out of jail on the Man Utd game and then Dallas winning for me -2.5 when all the shrewdies were on -3.
I then backed over 2 goals on the Ipswich game and greened up very early to show a nice profit before playing the Harlow dogs last night.

Those who have read from the start will know this is my old stomping ground and a difficult track for dogs that have not been round there before as the track is soooooooo tight, last night i had £120 on Villa when i saw the team sheet  >:( (think they are a lay for a few weeks now) and also picked 6/8 winners at £30 per bet on the Dogs either outright win or without the fav to book a £500 nett of footie loss on the night.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on September 21, 2011, 04:36:34 PM
I like your degen challenge; I'm gonna do something similar with my mates starting with £4 shots up to £100k.... averaging price of 1.5 over 25 shots only on football markets on betfair; if I can even get to 15 shots it will enjoy the sweat.

Are you creating a new thread for this sweat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on September 21, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 07:13:43 PM
I like your degen challenge; I'm gonna do something similar with my mates starting with £4 shots up to £100k.... averaging price of 1.5 over 25 shots only on football markets on betfair; if I can even get to 15 shots it will enjoy the sweat.

Are you creating a new thread for this sweat.
I think so, its gonna start Saturday or Sunday so it will be on here as well as Betting Tips and Sporting Disc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 07:26:45 PM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.
Hi Matt,
The main difference between now and then is a self discipline that you can only learn from being at what they call ROCK BOTTOM, i have been there and dont wish to go back there.
In terms of my gambling now i am selective and the £500 weekend included the £150 six max £50 petrol some food and the football from the weekend, I didnt post it itt but if i have a nice bink ie £7.5k cashes in sports betting/poker in the weekend before Wales and the weekend after  minus 2k in entries/ bets laid out  spending money in Wales left a 5.5k surplus of which Petra got 1.5k, plus £900 to clear her credit card, £600 went towards Xmas presents and then i gave her £300 to go and buy some new clobber for her and Max and i spent £200 on me.  edit and gave Tighty £200 for the October deepstack update!!
Then i might have a little press up on my stakes for a few bets to scoop but once my run stops you will find me back to a £30 treble to rebuild, I dont think i would ever not gamble as i hold no other vices so would be pretty boring but i have no debt except a half share (not on paper) in 1million of mortgages.

Also the spin up is £40 to £100k, i am prepared to lose £4k in total but that will be over a likely 1 1/2 year period which as this will be most of my sports betting for that time i am comfortable with.
Thx for your concern though  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
If each bet was even money you would only need 12 winning bets to get to £163k and chances of success are just over 4000-1. Given that you have 100 pops at this the chance of success would be 400-1. (I think)

Might do the math (unless you already have) to see calculate odds needed to hit the £100k after 15/20/25 bets.

£4k on a 25/1 shot just doesn't have the same appeal.

Good Luck.

edit: at 1.45 you get to £100k @21 wins (almost!)
Hi Sir P
Yeah a variety of prices could see it done sooner or a bit longer, I dont want to say how many but you are quite right having the whole £4k ona 25/1 shot does not have the same appeal.
I think doing Even money shots would be more difficult if you imagine flipping a coin and trying to get 12 correct in a row although i may have a stab in the challenge i would prefer the 1/2 way as its still like flipping the coin but its slightly heavier one side  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 21, 2011, 07:56:09 PM
i don't think you needed to explain your spending bud that's your bussines no one Else's!

i really don't think mat wanted you to explain either  i think he was just expressing his concern!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
i don't think you needed to explain your spending bud that's your bussines no one Else's!

i really don't think mat wanted you to explain either  i think he was just expressing his concern!
yeah i know bud and on paper any gambler who bets in good figures has a scary total outlay but if i had not binked that weekend and the next i defo would not have spent so much,i still always press a little when your in form and reign it back in when not.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 21, 2011, 08:42:29 PM
Degen is gonna degen.

;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 21, 2011, 09:06:40 PM
my step daughter is just buying her first house and has an offer accepted on a repossesion but has a limited time to complete in or it goes back on the market. is this normal because i dont what the tears if it al goes tits up and i need my garage clearing of all the stuff she wanted from my mums house.

my wife is a manageress in a ladbrokes and thinks to get 20 winners will be almost impossible even at the odds on prices. i never back dogs horses or football unless on a day at the races etc. please jam one in her eye for me lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on September 21, 2011, 09:46:55 PM
You get 28 days to buy a repossession, need to let the mtg company/solicitor etc know and everybody will work to that time scale.  The person losing the house can technically stump up the money during that period to get out of losing there home or if somebody came in with a bigger offer they can take it although it rarely happens.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
my step daughter is just buying her first house and has an offer accepted on a repossesion but has a limited time to complete in or it goes back on the market. is this normal because i dont what the tears if it al goes tits up and i need my garage clearing of all the stuff she wanted from my mums house.

my wife is a manageress in a ladbrokes and thinks to get 20 winners will be almost impossible even at the odds on prices. i never back dogs horses or football unless on a day at the races etc. please jam one in her eye for me lol
When you buy a repo the company will ask you to exchange within 28days or they reserve the right to sell to someone else, also the property will remain on the market and can be shown to other buyers coupled with the fact the agent will have to place whats called a "7 day notice" whereby they tell the world either in the newspaper or internet what your step daughter is paying for the property, its the only type of house sale where this happens and if someone offers 500 higher the agent puts it forward and then they probs come to ask for more from the buyer or they threaten to sell to the new buyer.
They need to get the deal through and do all the right things  survey instructed asap and tell the solicitor you want to exchange within 28 days, if you work quickly and dont delay then they will normally give you a few more days if needs be.

I will do my best obv and i never said it would be easy  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2011, 09:50:29 PM
You get 28 days to buy a repossession, need to let the mtg company/solicitor etc know and everybody will work to that time scale.  The person losing the house can technically stump up the money during that period to get out of losing there home or if somebody came in with a bigger offer they can take it although it rarely happens.
fml beaten to the answer by soviet in my own thread  >:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on September 21, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
You get 28 days to buy a repossession, need to let the mtg company/solicitor etc know and everybody will work to that time scale.  The person losing the house can technically stump up the money during that period to get out of losing there home or if somebody came in with a bigger offer they can take it although it rarely happens.
fml beaten to the answer by soviet in my own thread  >:(

typical lazy estate agent... ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 21, 2011, 10:21:28 PM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.
Hi Matt,
The main difference between now and then is a self discipline that you can only learn from being at what they call ROCK BOTTOM, i have been there and dont wish to go back there.
In terms of my gambling now i am selective and the £500 weekend included the £150 six max £50 petrol some food and the football from the weekend, I didnt post it itt but if i have a nice bink ie £7.5k cashes in sports betting/poker in the weekend before Wales and the weekend after  minus 2k in entries/ bets laid out  spending money in Wales left a 5.5k surplus of which Petra got 1.5k, plus £900 to clear her credit card, £600 went towards Xmas presents and then i gave her £300 to go and buy some new clobber for her and Max and i spent £200 on me.  edit and gave Tighty £200 for the October deepstack update!!
Then i might have a little press up on my stakes for a few bets to scoop but once my run stops you will find me back to a £30 treble to rebuild, I dont think i would ever not gamble as i hold no other vices so would be pretty boring but i have no debt except a half share (not on paper) in 1million of mortgages.

Also the spin up is £40 to £100k, i am prepared to lose £4k in total but that will be over a likely 1 1/2 year period which as this will be most of my sports betting for that time i am comfortable with.
Thx for your concern though  ;)

wow, this is pretty interesting

I did a blog about my take on gambling addiction and post-posting it I have had a few e-mails from people sharing there definition of what IS ACTUALLY A GAMBLING ADDICT

So Rich without being too personal (I am genuinely interested) - can you define

a) A gambling addict
b) a problem gambler
c) a degenerate gambler
d) a recreational gambler


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on September 21, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
The difference between a self confessed recovering gambling addict, and a degen gambler is normally variance. The former just ran bad compared to the latter


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 21, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
Dave in your esteemed opinion whats a gambling addict?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 22, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
I bet he does not tell you. ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on September 22, 2011, 02:09:54 AM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.
Hi Matt,
The main difference between now and then is a self discipline that you can only learn from being at what they call ROCK BOTTOM, i have been there and dont wish to go back there.
In terms of my gambling now i am selective and the £500 weekend included the £150 six max £50 petrol some food and the football from the weekend, I didnt post it itt but if i have a nice bink ie £7.5k cashes in sports betting/poker in the weekend before Wales and the weekend after  minus 2k in entries/ bets laid out  spending money in Wales left a 5.5k surplus of which Petra got 1.5k, plus £900 to clear her credit card, £600 went towards Xmas presents and then i gave her £300 to go and buy some new clobber for her and Max and i spent £200 on me.  edit and gave Tighty £200 for the October deepstack update!!
Then i might have a little press up on my stakes for a few bets to scoop but once my run stops you will find me back to a £30 treble to rebuild, I dont think i would ever not gamble as i hold no other vices so would be pretty boring but i have no debt except a half share (not on paper) in 1million of mortgages.

Also the spin up is £40 to £100k, i am prepared to lose £4k in total but that will be over a likely 1 1/2 year period which as this will be most of my sports betting for that time i am comfortable with.
Thx for your concern though  ;)

So if the weekend where you won 7.5k went the other way bud and you lost the 500, what woulda happened then?

Do you fade having bets for the next few weeks, does the credit card payment get put on hold a little longer etc?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 22, 2011, 09:20:28 AM
I started my go at your plan yesterday (£20 to 10k), running two simultaneous pots so as long as i don't brick both on the same day i will continue to have a sweat.. Bet#1 both binked. I am doing it a fanny way though and booking 50% of each win so after 2/3 bets i am using profs only. Will take twice as long but i learnt the hard way from when i used to lay nil nils on bf for the world.

I say booking... 50% of each win drips into another system i am working on.

The way i see it as long as you don't get in debt to gamble and having a gamble wont lead you to do so, then it is fine. I used to max credit cards on degen spin downs all the time, them days are over, now i just max em on Vegas strippers. fml.

Looking forward to meeting again and swapping stories. GLGL in everything.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2011, 10:02:19 AM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.
Hi Matt,
The main difference between now and then is a self discipline that you can only learn from being at what they call ROCK BOTTOM, i have been there and dont wish to go back there.
In terms of my gambling now i am selective and the £500 weekend included the £150 six max £50 petrol some food and the football from the weekend, I didnt post it itt but if i have a nice bink ie £7.5k cashes in sports betting/poker in the weekend before Wales and the weekend after  minus 2k in entries/ bets laid out  spending money in Wales left a 5.5k surplus of which Petra got 1.5k, plus £900 to clear her credit card, £600 went towards Xmas presents and then i gave her £300 to go and buy some new clobber for her and Max and i spent £200 on me.  edit and gave Tighty £200 for the October deepstack update!!
Then i might have a little press up on my stakes for a few bets to scoop but once my run stops you will find me back to a £30 treble to rebuild, I dont think i would ever not gamble as i hold no other vices so would be pretty boring but i have no debt except a half share (not on paper) in 1million of mortgages.

Also the spin up is £40 to £100k, i am prepared to lose £4k in total but that will be over a likely 1 1/2 year period which as this will be most of my sports betting for that time i am comfortable with.
Thx for your concern though  ;)

wow, this is pretty interesting

I did a blog about my take on gambling addiction and post-posting it I have had a few e-mails from people sharing there definition of what IS ACTUALLY A GAMBLING ADDICT

So Rich without being too personal (I am genuinely interested) - can you define

a) A gambling addict
Someone who actually does not care about the end result ie winning or losing as in the end they know they will lose so its the time between starting and the end result could be one bet or the tenth of the day, its the sinking feeling as they walk out that they know is coming.  This person will spend life monies on gambling with no care for the impact on them or family it is all about betting/losing. This person has most likely sold or pawned some stuff along the way losing some of it as they were only interested in the next bet as opposed to retrieving their goods and when this runs out could turn to crime. Overall Gambling consumes their life!!
b) a problem gambler
I would say this person in on the road to being person A as they have borrowed money on credit or friends family in order to feed their ever growing addiction, they are probably starting to hide debts from loved ones etc etc
c) a degenerate gambler
Most Omaha Players!! ;)
d) a recreational gambler
Someone who is in control, does not feel the need to bet every day and also if they lose its not the end of the world as they never used money that was set aside for life
IMO only


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2011, 10:07:28 AM
Rich

Serious question.

Do you still think you have a gambling problem?

I read earlier in this thread about how you'd lost thousands and been in trouble with loan sharks etc. but had sorted yourself out and become a changed man.

Maybe I'm missing something but planning a £4k to £100k spin and booking £500 losses on footy doesn't seem overly reformed.

Not having a dig btw as I'd happily do it myself but I got the impression that you'd kicked in gambling and just played poker instead?

Recent posts suggest otherwise.
Hi Matt,
The main difference between now and then is a self discipline that you can only learn from being at what they call ROCK BOTTOM, i have been there and dont wish to go back there.
In terms of my gambling now i am selective and the £500 weekend included the £150 six max £50 petrol some food and the football from the weekend, I didnt post it itt but if i have a nice bink ie £7.5k cashes in sports betting/poker in the weekend before Wales and the weekend after  minus 2k in entries/ bets laid out  spending money in Wales left a 5.5k surplus of which Petra got 1.5k, plus £900 to clear her credit card, £600 went towards Xmas presents and then i gave her £300 to go and buy some new clobber for her and Max and i spent £200 on me.  edit and gave Tighty £200 for the October deepstack update!!
Then i might have a little press up on my stakes for a few bets to scoop but once my run stops you will find me back to a £30 treble to rebuild, I dont think i would ever not gamble as i hold no other vices so would be pretty boring but i have no debt except a half share (not on paper) in 1million of mortgages.

Also the spin up is £40 to £100k, i am prepared to lose £4k in total but that will be over a likely 1 1/2 year period which as this will be most of my sports betting for that time i am comfortable with.
Thx for your concern though  ;)

So if the weekend where you won 7.5k went the other way bud and you lost the 500, what woulda happened then?
When i won the 2 weekends i use the money well but if i didnt bink my life would be as normal  work blah blah  put £20-30 on over goals in certain matches  ala deepstack weekend, its only if i have a nice win will i press a bit or play an extra live game   ie £150 six max as in normal life i would never drive to Notts for a 1 day £150 tourney i would just keep to the deepstack weekend and one £100 luton tourney

Do you fade having bets for the next few weeks, does the credit card payment get put on hold a little longer etc?
Petra only has a limit of £1k on her card and obv i dont have one, this would have been paid off anyways from this months wages but i would have gone back to small balling




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2011, 10:08:34 AM
I started my go at your plan yesterday (£20 to 10k), running two simultaneous pots so as long as i don't brick both on the same day i will continue to have a sweat.. Bet#1 both binked. I am doing it a fanny way though and booking 50% of each win so after 2/3 bets i am using profs only. Will take twice as long but i learnt the hard way from when i used to lay nil nils on bf for the world.

I say booking... 50% of each win drips into another system i am working on.

The way i see it as long as you don't get in debt to gamble and having a gamble wont lead you to do so, then it is fine. I used to max credit cards on degen spin downs all the time, them days are over, now i just max em on Vegas strippers. fml.

Looking forward to meeting again and swapping stories. GLGL in everything.
TYTY  keep me updated!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on September 22, 2011, 10:24:02 AM
c) a degenerate gambler
Most Omaha Players!! ;)

Meh. I guess when I hit rock bottom, I didn't bounce all the way back up. ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
c) a degenerate gambler
Most Omaha Players!! ;)

Meh. I guess when I hit rock bottom, I didn't bounce all the way back up. ;)
Your on the upswong now though after last night  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on September 22, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
c) a degenerate gambler
Most Omaha Players!! ;)

Meh. I guess when I hit rock bottom, I didn't bounce all the way back up. ;)
Your on the upswong now though after last night  ;)

Haha. I meant from my days of £1,500 roulette spins. :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 23, 2011, 09:29:29 AM
Yesterday went well.. i was gonna wait til the wknd to find a decent bet, but got greedy. Did both banks in on the same night, an 88 min equaliser from Siena against Roma crushed me. so far you have bet #2 to beat..  Starting again this week but gonna limit myself to 1 pick per week so it will take 6 months to complete.

*Disclaimer unless one of my outstanding Accas/trebles comes in then i will start again this wknd..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 23, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
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This is the first bet of the challenge, I am laying Aston Villa on sunday for £40 obviously i can back and lay and this works out at around 2/5 so we have QPR and the DRAW if anyone on here does not know what a lay bet is.

Not sure i will keep justifying each selection but might start and see where we go, Villa have not played anyone of real quality yet and whilst QPR are not real quality they have started to play well.

GL to the followers and i will open a new thread on Betting Tips and Sporting Discussion later for peeps   lets see if someone can get there goal

So 1st Bullet has been fired!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 23, 2011, 12:28:29 PM
Yesterday went well.. i was gonna wait til the wknd to find a decent bet, but got greedy. Did both banks in on the same night, an 88 min equaliser from Siena against Roma crushed me. so far you have bet #2 to beat..  Starting again this week but gonna limit myself to 1 pick per week so it will take 6 months to complete.

*Disclaimer unless one of my outstanding Accas/trebles comes in then i will start again this wknd..

Greed is a bad thing Milligan!!
Patience a good thing!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 23, 2011, 12:30:16 PM
is is now the £40.01-100k challenge??

GLGLGL. And i thought my selections were edgy!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 23, 2011, 12:38:52 PM
is is now the £40.01-100k challenge??

GLGLGL. And i thought my selections were edgy!
DEGENS GONNA DEGEN!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 23, 2011, 12:51:44 PM
is is now the £40.01-100k challenge??

GLGLGL. And i thought my selections were edgy!
DEGENS GONNA DEGEN!!

Any input on the horse selections today?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 23, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
£40 to £100k Challenge is now up and running here is the link on Betting Tips!!

Gl everyone

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55154.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55154.0)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 23, 2011, 07:39:19 PM
Great diary rich...forgot to say was good to meet you the other week


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 24, 2011, 06:53:06 AM
Great diary rich...forgot to say was good to meet you the other week
Cheers Donk, nice to meet you to although it sounds like your diary is going to be good!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 24, 2011, 12:14:52 PM
Great diary rich...forgot to say was good to meet you the other week
Cheers Donk, nice to meet you to although it sounds like your diary is going to be good!!  ;)

LOL... my diary would just be too much for general consumption...

ffs...uv a lot to answer for..i found myself on betfair last night putting on a footie accumulator and £20 to 100K bet..........


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 24, 2011, 12:22:25 PM
Lol, do you own shares in BF Eso?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 24, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
Great diary rich...forgot to say was good to meet you the other week
Cheers Donk, nice to meet you to although it sounds like your diary is going to be good!!  ;)

LOL... my diary would just be too much for general consumption...

ffs...uv a lot to answer for..i found myself on betfair last night putting on a footie accumulator and £20 to 100K bet..........
Nice, i would love someone to scoop!!  After me ofc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 24, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
Lol, do you own shares in BF Eso?
Might buy a few now!! ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 10:43:14 AM
SHOCK WORK NEWS!!

We actually tied up 2 house sales this week and touch wood have not lost any deals either, maybe a housing boom is on its way???

Its the first bet of my challenge today and i have QPR and the draw working for me, if it cops i have already sussed out my second bet so will post it later on!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 01:40:10 PM
SHOCK WORK NEWS!!

We actually tied up 2 house sales this week and touch wood have not lost any deals either, maybe a housing boom is on its way???
Its the first bet of my challenge today and i have QPR and the draw working for me, if it cops i have already sussed out my second bet so will post it later on!!

hope so been trying to sell a house for months just one offer 20k below asking price


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
SHOCK WORK NEWS!!

We actually tied up 2 house sales this week and touch wood have not lost any deals either, maybe a housing boom is on its way???
Its the first bet of my challenge today and i have QPR and the draw working for me, if it cops i have already sussed out my second bet so will post it later on!!

hope so been trying to sell a house for months just one offer 20k below asking price
Unfortunately i cant see it, I think its a tough 18months ahead!   How much is the property on the market for?  What you gonna do with the ££ when you sell?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on September 25, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc

I'll give you £106 for it, probably won't get you to the Bahamas though :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 06:59:36 PM
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This is the first bet of the challenge, I am laying Aston Villa on sunday for £40 obviously i can back and lay and this works out at around 2/5 so we have QPR and the DRAW if anyone on here does not know what a lay bet is.

Not sure i will keep justifying each selection but might start and see where we go, Villa have not played anyone of real quality yet and whilst QPR are not real quality they have started to play well.

GL to the followers and i will open a new thread on Betting Tips and Sporting Discussion later for peeps   lets see if someone can get there goal

So 1st Bullet has been fired!!
Well you need a bit of luck  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
2nd Bet is now on

I have layed St Etienne away to Rennes in the French league 1, Rennes are normally very strong at home and after the first results commission was taken i had £55.85 to re-invest which as long as St Etienne dont win returns a further £10.74

Cant post screen shot as on way out but it kicks off at 8pm!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on September 25, 2011, 07:08:02 PM
binkity


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 08:37:42 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc

I'll give you £106k for it, probably won't get you to the Bahamas though :P

deal


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on September 25, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
£106, PM bank details and I'll get a lawyer


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on September 25, 2011, 09:06:06 PM
With Lee's dodgy deals you may be getting ripped off even for 106 quid


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 09:20:59 PM
With Lee's dodgy deals you may be getting ripped off even for 106 quid
Does his house have an MOT?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 09:21:27 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc

I'll give you £106k for it, probably won't get you to the Bahamas though :P

deal


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
With Lee's dodgy deals you may be getting ripped off even for 106 quid
its the Wendy house i am replacing with summer house in my garden....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 25, 2011, 09:24:57 PM
With Lee's dodgy deals you may be getting ripped off even for 106 quid
Does his house have an MOT?
its got a certificate for something


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 25, 2011, 10:17:23 PM
2nd Bet is now on

I have layed St Etienne away to Rennes in the French league 1, Rennes are normally very strong at home and after the first results commission was taken i had £55.85 to re-invest which as long as St Etienne dont win returns a further £10.74

Cant post screen shot as on way out but it kicks off at 8pm!

Another 1-1 draw and a further £10.21 to add on after comm so next bet is £66.06!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 26, 2011, 05:54:01 PM
ANOTHER SALE!!

Had a good day at work today as we sold a flat that came on the market on Thursday to the second person through the door, on the poker front i have not played much volume this month at all (sorry BITB) online or live but i am going for a spin at the Circus Luton £200 monthly this Thursday/Sunday before the deepstack at DTD the following weekend.

Punting wise over the weekend was a bit up and down   small loser on footie on Saturday before winning single on American Football then today greened out of a £60 bet at 1.02 on the 20/20 IPL cricket just as the wickets started to tumble.

Im not a trader on markets but what are peoples views of hedging or trading out of bets??  +EV or should you LET IT RIDE?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on September 26, 2011, 05:55:48 PM
you're going to hate me :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 26, 2011, 05:59:27 PM
you're going to hate me :P
Your not moving to Leigh on Sea are you?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on September 26, 2011, 06:24:43 PM
gonna be v.painful for u mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 26, 2011, 07:21:06 PM
gonna be v.painful for u mate
well you gonna lmk? or do i have to guess?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 26, 2011, 07:31:28 PM


Im not a trader on markets but what are peoples views of hedging or trading out of bets??  +EV or should you LET IT RIDE?



Most people get this very wrong.  They are too quick to green up small profits and let the horror situations ride, when it should if anything be the other way round.

With regard to trading out in particular, if it is to crystalise a meaningful amount of money that would kill you if it turned ugly, then it's fine to get out, but perhaps take it a bit easier on unit stakes next time..  If it is just a run of the mill trade, then ignore your current position and evaluate the quote.  If the price to close out looks particularly unnatractive, either let it run or even think about going in again for more.  IOW - what would I do with this quote if I didn't already have a position?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redarmi on September 26, 2011, 07:47:55 PM


Im not a trader on markets but what are peoples views of hedging or trading out of bets??  +EV or should you LET IT RIDE?



Most people get this very wrong.  They are too quick to green up small profits and let the horror situations ride, when it should if anything be the other way round.

With regard to trading out in particular, if it is to crystalise a meaningful amount of money that would kill you if it turned ugly, then it's fine to get out, but perhaps take it a bit easier on unit stakes next time..  If it is just a run of the mill trade, then ignore your current position and evaluate the quote.  If the price to close out looks particularly unnatractive, either let it run or even think about going in again for more.  IOW - what would I do with this quote if I didn't already have a position?

Pretty much what Simon said but I would add that what is most important is whether the price you are trading out at represents value either in a vacuum or as part of the overall trade.  You would never give margin away on the first part fo the trade so there is very little excuse for doing ti when closing.  Possible exception is when you have opened a position with the intention of trading it because you expect the price to move (ala Blatch) but then yu don't neccesarily need value when opening the trade just the expectation that others will perceive value and, tbh, most punters are pretty hopeless at this (again ala Blatch)!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 27, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
100k CHALLENGE

Next bet is up in Betting Tips and Sporting Discussion, tonight my £66.06 is on  Man Utd and Real Madrid both teams to win which will get me nearly to 3 figures.
Quite a few people are doing this for differing amounts and it will be interesting to see what happens if someone gets to 8-10 bets in as thats when your likely to be at a grand if you started at £40....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on September 27, 2011, 02:02:23 PM
man u got rooney and hernandez out mind.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 27, 2011, 02:04:26 PM
man u got rooney and hernandez out mind.
yeah so they will only be drawing at H/T and 3up at FT   :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 27, 2011, 02:12:14 PM
*cough*get off your lazy degen arse and put up more proper diary stuff please*cough*


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on September 27, 2011, 02:28:54 PM
*cough*get off your lazy degen arse and put up more proper diary stuff please*cough*


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 27, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
*cough*get off your lazy degen arse and put up more proper diary stuff please*cough*
What would you like???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on September 27, 2011, 02:36:27 PM
*cough*get off your lazy degen arse and put up more proper diary stuff please*cough*
What would you like???
Boats n Hoes ldo.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_wpXztPFg


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 27, 2011, 02:44:52 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoImizvsj5w
 
.
A bit better than poker fans effort!!

Nice to see "The Ho" in with a number 1 at the end of August...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 27, 2011, 09:54:22 PM
100k CHALLENGE

SIGH,  Man Utd cant hold at home when 2 up at HT.

2nd bullet will be fired soon.

Been given a horse tomorrow that is expected to win so will post on here once the prices are out and I am on!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 27, 2011, 11:17:02 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 28, 2011, 10:12:57 AM
100k CHALLENGE

SIGH,  Man Utd cant hold at home when 2 up at HT.

2nd bullet will be fired soon.

Been given a horse tomorrow that is expected to win so will post on here once the prices are out and I am on!!



(http://smu.edu/enrollment_services/images/Giddy-Up-with-black.gif)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on September 28, 2011, 10:16:39 AM
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Ha is this when Barts workin in a brothel/strippers?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 10:33:01 AM
Are we sticking the spin up money on this horse?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 10:34:05 AM
PUBLIC WEALTH WARNING!!

Back this at your own risk and before placing any money on the nag given to me by a work rider at the stable please watch the clip below in case it loses!!
He told me this was expected to run well and i shall be backing it each way and putting a tad more on in the place market!!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKhUZ5kOagk

The horse is Zafeens Pearl EACH WAY in the 4.40 at Salisbury


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 10:34:55 AM
Are we sticking the spin up money on this horse?
Nah dont want the pressure let punt it on a treble tonight then saturday if we get through imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
Are we sticking the spin up money on this horse?
Nah dont want the pressure let punt it on a treble tonight then saturday if we get through imo

Get your pick up then


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 10:51:35 AM
Are we sticking the spin up money on this horse?
Nah dont want the pressure let punt it on a treble tonight then saturday if we get through imo

Get your pick up then
ITT (Jackpot)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 10:53:28 AM
Could be an expensive few days as a couple of horses i have been waiting for are out!!

Today i have put the tip in 2 singles and a double with Perfect Pastime also at Salisbury, if the latter runs well this ties up some form for a horse this weekend!!

Would be so nice to get the double up!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:04:43 PM
100k Challenge

2nd Bullet fired laying Middlesbrough tonight vs Leicester as i think the draw is a big player!

My 40 wins £28.16

Sven Sven Sven Goran Erikson!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on September 28, 2011, 02:05:20 PM

Ha is this when Barts workin in a brothel/strippers?

Yup!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:18:35 PM
2 STEPS FORWARD 1 STEP BACK

Had 1 sale fall through today on survey but also had 2 offers on properties and hope to get both tied up before the end of the month which will make the month look fairly respectable and atm my office is doing the best out of our 3 local offices month to date!!
It's always nice to be top of the offices even when its tough as it takes a bit of pressure off.

Laura in my office passes me a bit of paper saying can i please return a property dealers call who rang me the other day and gives me his name and number   name Mr D. Gen, immediately alarm bells are ringing so i think could it be Vinny or is it one of the 3 -5 people a day who we speak to that have watched homes under the hammer and think its so easy to make money from property without realising the programmes they are watching are from 2000-2007 and even a monkey could have bought a property in those days and sat on it and made a few quid selling it 6 months later.

I type the number in my phone and no-one recognised shows up but as soon as i dial the number and a scottish voice answers i think  hmmmmmmmmm   "Hi Mr Gen" i say and even though i think it Vinny i cant tell him to **** off incase i am wrong, then i hear the laugh and i know i have been had over  :D   WPWP
 
He was inviting me to dinner at the "G" Thursday with Pretty Boy Alex Martin and Marky147 but i cant make it as I am playing the Circus Luton £200 and its impossible to get a pass out from Petra for Thurs with him and then Saturday (day1b) and then Sunday if day2 is made then Nottingham next weekend Fri-Sun.


#cantwaitforthelivepokerzzzz


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 28, 2011, 02:21:43 PM

 
He was inviting me to dinner at the "G" Thursday with Pretty Boy Alex Martin and Marky147 but i cant make it as I am playing the Circus Luton £200

you think this is a coincidence?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 28, 2011, 02:22:53 PM
Pic of Laura please.

Yours sincerely

Loser.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:23:15 PM

 
He was inviting me to dinner at the "G" Thursday with Pretty Boy Alex Martin and Marky147 but i cant make it as I am playing the Circus Luton £200

you think this is a coincidence?
Oh yeah he knows!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:26:29 PM
Pic of Laura please.

Yours sincerely

Loser. perv
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 28, 2011, 02:35:53 PM
Almost as good as when he introduced himself to Moorman, as Chris was chatting some girl up and ask him he played poker online - got his name and said "No, never heard of you - are you any good?"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:49:45 PM
Almost as good as when he introduced himself to Moorman, as Chris was chatting some girl up and ask him he played poker online - got his name and said "No, never heard of you - are you any good?"
I must have heard that story a hundred times from him since he got back,  comm though!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 28, 2011, 02:51:29 PM
Almost as good as when he introduced himself to Moorman, as Chris was chatting some girl up and ask him he played poker online - got his name and said "No, never heard of you - are you any good?"
I must have heard that story a hundred times from him since he got back,  comm though!

Yeah - he hasn't got many stories bless, and now he is loved up likely toget even fewer lol....has he told youmthe one about me putting him into a £75 comp and winning the world  ;letsparty;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Almost as good as when he introduced himself to Moorman, as Chris was chatting some girl up and ask him he played poker online - got his name and said "No, never heard of you - are you any good?"
I must have heard that story a hundred times from him since he got back,  comm though!

Yeah - he hasn't got many stories bless, and now he is loved up likely toget even fewer lol....has he told youmthe one about me putting him into a £75 comp and winning the world  ;letsparty;
Yeah he said your staking money is nearly as good as Tikay's but next time he wants more than 30% of himself ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 28, 2011, 03:06:53 PM
Cheeky f******r.....I thought my 50:50 after stake back was more than generous.  Seriously really pleased for him - he prob told you but I range him and we played the £50 last Wednesday, I came 4th - fish busted and as we collected he genuinely didn't realise they had the 3 day thing and he joked he would have played rather than see me. I was free rolling as out a score in the roulette machine while waiting for him and spun it upto a oner so said I'd put him in. Bless, he was all you don't have too - but tbh if he focuses he isnso +ev at that donk hole. He played great.

Was thinking of you last night - I'm down with dad for a couple of days, he's not good. Really want to play EPT this week, playing sat tomorrow but nt rolled for £5k, would be a shot. Was defo not playing unless satting - but after seeing the old man was thinking lifes to short, I should play.  Still undecided, we'll SE how tomorrow goes. It's an absolute shot, but i can afford it - feel I'm playing really well - played almost faultless in wcoop main (one hand messed up a little) but know I have little edge in it - prob none.  What do you think Mr Gen....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 03:09:55 PM
Had a text to say its all about the fav in the 4.10


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 03:17:04 PM
Cheeky f******r.....I thought my 50:50 after stake back was more than generous.  Seriously really pleased for him - he prob told you but I range him and we played the £50 last Wednesday, I came 4th - fish busted and as we collected he genuinely didn't realise they had the 3 day thing and he joked he would have played rather than see me. I was free rolling as out a score in the roulette machine while waiting for him and spun it upto a oner so said I'd put him in. Bless, he was all you don't have too - but tbh if he focuses he isnso +ev at that donk hole. He played great.

Was thinking of you last night - I'm down with dad for a couple of days, he's not good. Really want to play EPT this week, playing sat tomorrow but nt rolled for £5k, would be a shot. Was defo not playing unless satting - but after seeing the old man was thinking lifes to short, I should play.  Still undecided, we'll SE how tomorrow goes. It's an absolute shot, but i can afford it - feel I'm playing really well - played almost faultless in wcoop main (one hand messed up a little) but know I have little edge in it - prob none.  What do you think Mr Gen....
Sorry to hear your Dad is not so good.  I would play the Sat and then re-evaluate if your playing top of your game then play as you have had a good year so far, or put up a late notice staking thread selling 30% of yourself imo..

GL whatever you decide to do!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 03:28:57 PM
Had a text to say its all about the fav in the 4.10
Yeah the 4.10 is only my fancy as it ties in form with Sluggsy Morant and Sirius Prospect.  Sluggsy beat this horse at Goodwood in the smae grade and then ran well finishing 6th in a slightly better race with this horse being pulled out on the afternoon of the same race.
Sirius Prospect beat Sluggsy Morant at Windsor over 5f with Sluggsy satying on at the death and then after coming out too quickly was then entered in a class2 sprint and came out and won it very well.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 28, 2011, 03:36:42 PM
Had a text to say its all about the fav in the 4.10
Yeah the 4.10 is only my fancy as it ties in form with Sluggsy Morant and Sirius Prospect.  Sluggsy beat this horse at Goodwood in the smae grade and then ran well finishing 6th in a slightly better race with this horse being pulled out on the afternoon of the same race.
Sirius Prospect beat Sluggsy Morant at Windsor over 5f with Sluggsy satying on at the death and then after coming out too quickly was then entered in a class2 sprint and came out and won it very well.

You looking at Sirius prospect at Ascot on Friday? What odds are you hoping for?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 04:02:27 PM
Had a text to say its all about the fav in the 4.10
Yeah the 4.10 is only my fancy as it ties in form with Sluggsy Morant and Sirius Prospect.  Sluggsy beat this horse at Goodwood in the smae grade and then ran well finishing 6th in a slightly better race with this horse being pulled out on the afternoon of the same race.
Sirius Prospect beat Sluggsy Morant at Windsor over 5f with Sluggsy satying on at the death and then after coming out too quickly was then entered in a class2 sprint and came out and won it very well.

You looking at Sirius prospect at Ascot on Friday? What odds are you hoping for?
Its got 2 entries this weekend Fri and Sat it s 16/1 for Sat race @ Ascot and the trainer said after last win there would be one more run this year before next year where it should show even more improvement, when i tipped up sirius prospect on Betting Tips and Sporting discussion when it won its first race at Kempton they thought this would turn out to be the best horse in their small yard.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 04:13:37 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 28, 2011, 04:17:08 PM
Ah, yeah haven't looked at the weekend yet as entries not yet finalised and am mainly interested in Longchamp this weekend..just glanced at Friday's cards this morning and noticed him in there. Challenge cup is very competitive but if I were you I'd hope they go for that as I can't see him doing much on Friday (up against 2 or 3 decent sorts and better in a big field as he needs something to aim at)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 04:20:22 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!

On yours for the next! Lets go go go


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 04:22:14 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!

On yours for the next! Lets go go go
It keeps shortening!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 04:48:22 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!

On yours for the next! Lets go go go
It keeps shortening!!

But not winning!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!

On yours for the next! Lets go go go
It keeps shortening!!

But not winning!
Each Way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on September 28, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
Blanket finsh for places but just out the frame for my selection, lets hope the jockey comes up trumps!!

On yours for the next! Lets go go go
It keeps shortening!!

But not winning!
Each Way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The difference between a tenner profit and losing the hundo just isnt enough to make me not want the full lot when it wins!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 28, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Shame that you can't make it, you were close to a free dinner if Push Me wasn't in that race :D

Still I only lost £40 as I backed it EW on Laddies earlier before going back in for another 40 on B/F when it drifted before the off.

Hopefully I'll get up again at some point if I don't do my net in Killarney this weekend and meet Blonde's new legendary blogger


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Shame that you can't make it, you were close to a free dinner if Push Me wasn't in that race :D

Still I only lost £40 as I backed it EW on Laddies earlier before going back in for another 40 on B/F when it drifted before the off.

Hopefully I'll get up again at some point if I don't do my net in Killarney this weekend and meet Blonde's new legendary blogger
Gl this weekend then, Vinny said if your not playing poker at Luton on Thursday and are playing the magic wheel or a bit of cash you all may come to the Circus for a few beers so we may get to meet. If not I am sure we will in the future.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 28, 2011, 07:50:50 PM
Gl this weekend then, Vinny said if your not playing poker at Luton on Thursday and are playing the magic wheel or a bit of cash you all may come to the Circus for a few beers so we may get to meet. If not I am sure we will in the future.


The tourney might be a no go anyway depending what time I get to Luton and dump my stuff at the hotel. Dinner then a trip over to the circus sounds more appealing anyway so will speak to Vinny and see if he fancies that. I'm sure he'll want to play seeing as he's on a hot streak though :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 28, 2011, 10:06:06 PM
100k Challenge

2nd Bullet fired laying Middlesbrough tonight vs Leicester as i think the draw is a big player!

My 40 wins £28.16

Sven Sven Sven Goran Erikson!!

Upto £66.78 after commission and next selection is

Dunhill links Golf -  L Westwood to beat L Donald over 72 holes at Even money

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 29, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
any fancies today?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 29, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
any fancies today?
2 tomorrow m8  


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 29, 2011, 11:50:58 AM
A DAY OFF!

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, today is a day off from work so am spending it mostly doing life stuff before going to Luton tonight for their monthly £200 deepstack.
Already made breakfast for Petra, took the Bentley (the dog) and Maxwell for a walk along the seafront before Petra and Max went off to Rhythm Kids where they all sit singing nursery rhymes. Now we are off to town to have some lunch do a bit of shopping then its the short drive to Luton 25k starting stack and 40 min blinds going back for day2 on Sunday hopefully!!

It's the first time i have played this event and Vinny has already guided me on his "How to win at Luton Tournament Strategy"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 29, 2011, 11:52:06 AM

Sweet. will look out for it.

Enjoy your day of 'real life'


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 29, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
A DAY OFF!

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, today is a day off from work so am spending it mostly doing life stuff before going to Luton tonight for their monthly £200 deepstack.
Already made breakfast for Petra, took the Bentley (the dog) and Maxwell for a walk along the seafront before Petra and Max went off to Rhythm Kids where they all sit singing nursery rhymes. Now we are off to town to have some lunch do a bit of shopping then its the short drive to Luton 25k starting stack and 40 min blinds going back for day2 on Sunday hopefully!!

It's the first time i have played this event and Vinny has already guided me on his "How to win Donk at Luton Tournament Strategy"

FYP


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 29, 2011, 02:18:03 PM
Today's a great day for spending with the wife and kids


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 29, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
Today's a great day for spending with the wife and kids
Your quite right Herbie a leisurely stroll along the front, lunch in the sun all we need now is to build a stack at Luton tonight  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 30, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
Looking forward to these tips today mate, Atletico cost me a bundle last night.

Help me

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
CIRCUS LUTON DAY 1A REPORT!!

It's funny how you play some places and the standard seems to have stood still or even gone backwards, anyway the structure was really good 25k starting stack and a 40 minute clock only missing out 1 or 2 levels but it was a limp fest and there is no point iso raising ip as it will play something like this call 50 call 50 call 50 call 50 raise to 200  sb makes up bb calls  call call call  5 way to the flop with blah blah blah.

Anyway i kept out of it for the first few levels and at the first break had 24k and nothing to report, at the end of the second break with the blinds about to go 150/300   Celtic, Alex Mfkin Martin, and Marky147 all turned up from being out for a meal with Mark going to Killarney today for the main event (GLGLGLGL by the way) obv they only turned up to anti rail me and all stood behind me.

With the Antes kicked in it was time to start winning some pots and unfortunately an iso raise from 1 limper followed by a barreled flop and turn i missed my double gutter and had to fold to his all in donk otr.  Now i was short with 20 bigs and no spots came up as at 3/600/50 everyone wanted to raise to 2800 one person even made it 6400 pre from utg and all i can find is 9/2 8/3 etc  eventually i made a stand and it was comical to see my 3 all ins anti railed with everyone else looking at the three muskateers behind me calling for my villains cards in and people commenting "why do you want him to lose" to which they replied "so we can go home"  mbn to have friends!!!

My last 7k went it otb with 55 to be met by the obligatory call from the BB WIZARD and his A9 got there otf.  :( 

Marky147 is a really interesting guy and Alex is obv a degen legend it was also nice to see Celtic who assures me he will be starting a diary soon  ;)
I may play Day 1B Saturday but only if the horse below wins otherwise i will wait till DTD next week!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 11:12:02 AM
Horse Fancy Today!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT  5.15 Ascot

Im backing it each way, it won me a chunk last month so owes me nothing and i think it will go in again today as it has had a nice break which it didnt after it won at Windosr which was used as an excuse for a poor run.
I also spoke to the stable jockey who said they expected it to run well again today so each eay advised!!
Its 7/1 on Bf and 13/2 best price with the bookies...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
Thought i would post some pics of my office after speaking to Celtic last night!!

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The ground floor!!

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My Mezanine floor with Sports Plasma!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 30, 2011, 11:19:44 AM
Pisses all over my office. Where are all the 65+ flumps sat around with sour faces?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 11:20:49 AM
Pisses all over my office. Where are all the 65+ flumps sat around with sour faces?

This, where are all the wankers? I seem to be surrounded by them.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on September 30, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
Capsule review: massive BBCoding disaster, and shameless lens flares all over your shop front; but well furnished and free from "all the wankers." 6.5/10


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
Capsule review: massive BBCoding disaster, and shameless lens flares all over your shop front; but well furnished and free from "all the wankers." 6.5/10
Lolz sorry David Bailey!! I just rushed it as had a busy morning if it was a million pound gaff i would have obv took more time  ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
@ Milligan/ Boldie/ Hero Belton

All the other W**kers and Flumps, well i was the only one in at 8.15 this morning and there are only 3 of us here anyway plus they are both stars!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 01:04:51 PM
@ Milligan/ Boldie/ Hero Belton

All the other W**kers and Flumps, well i was the only one in at 8.15 this morning and there are only 3 of us here anyway plus they are both stars!!

But how do you expect to ever have the normal level of loathing for your job if you decide to work with stars?

Jesus, you'll never be one of the cool guys if you keep this shit up. Do what I did; get yourself a shitty, high-pressure job and make sure all your clients are tossers and most of your colleagues are wanks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 01:11:32 PM
@ Milligan/ Boldie/ Hero Belton

All the other W**kers and Flumps, well i was the only one in at 8.15 this morning and there are only 3 of us here anyway plus they are both stars!!

But how do you expect to ever have the normal level of loathing for your job if you decide to work with stars?

Jesus, you'll never be one of the cool guys if you keep this shit up. Do what I did; get yourself a shitty, high-pressure job and make sure all your clients are tossers and most of your colleagues are wanks.
Oh believe me I have pressure, i mean i have to decide which 5 properties to put in the advert this week!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 01:13:53 PM
@ Milligan/ Boldie/ Hero Belton

All the other W**kers and Flumps, well i was the only one in at 8.15 this morning and there are only 3 of us here anyway plus they are both stars!!

But how do you expect to ever have the normal level of loathing for your job if you decide to work with stars?

Jesus, you'll never be one of the cool guys if you keep this shit up. Do what I did; get yourself a shitty, high-pressure job and make sure all your clients are tossers and most of your colleagues are wanks.
Oh believe me I have pressure, i mean i have to decide which 5 properties to put in the advert this week!!

lol, it's a hard-knock life.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 30, 2011, 01:15:01 PM
tbh, none of our jobs can be overly demanding with the amount of time we spend on here.


*Disclaimer obv my job is massively demanding but i am so efficient i create the time to pimp it out on Blonde.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: jakally on September 30, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Horse Fancy Today!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT  5.15 Ascot

Im backing it each way, it won me a chunk last month so owes me nothing and i think it will go in again today as it has had a nice break which it didnt after it won at Windosr which was used as an excuse for a poor run.
I also spoke to the stable jockey who said they expected it to run well again today so each eay advised!!
Its 7/1 on Bf and 13/2 best price with the bookies...

Nice one  (and thank you obv).


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 05:21:53 PM
Horse Fancy Today!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT  5.15 Ascot

Im backing it each way, it won me a chunk last month so owes me nothing and i think it will go in again today as it has had a nice break which it didnt after it won at Windosr which was used as an excuse for a poor run.
I also spoke to the stable jockey who said they expected it to run well again today so each eay advised!!
Its 7/1 on Bf and 13/2 best price with the bookies...

Nice one  (and thank you obv).

No problem!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 30, 2011, 05:22:56 PM
Horse Fancy Today!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT  5.15 Ascot

Im backing it each way, it won me a chunk last month so owes me nothing and i think it will go in again today as it has had a nice break which it didnt after it won at Windosr which was used as an excuse for a poor run.
I also spoke to the stable jockey who said they expected it to run well again today so each eay advised!!
Its 7/1 on Bf and 13/2 best price with the bookies...

Nice one  (and thank you obv).


Did we bink? GTFI. i was waiting for the results to come in. phew. Got me out of a hole. gutted though. I typed out my bet and then halved it as i've been running pretty tez. Still, happy with 3 figs.

If only it wasn't for your footy pic the other night i might have bought ya a drink next time i saw ya.

Much love man.

You said you had 2 pics??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dewi_cool on September 30, 2011, 05:23:54 PM
 :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 05:30:16 PM
Horse Fancy Today!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT  5.15 Ascot

Im backing it each way, it won me a chunk last month so owes me nothing and i think it will go in again today as it has had a nice break which it didnt after it won at Windosr which was used as an excuse for a poor run.
I also spoke to the stable jockey who said they expected it to run well again today so each eay advised!!
Its 7/1 on Bf and 13/2 best price with the bookies...

Nice one  (and thank you obv).


Did we bink? GTFI. i was waiting for the results to come in. phew. Got me out of a hole. gutted though. I typed out my bet and then halved it as i've been running pretty tez. Still, happy with 3 figs.

If only it wasn't for your footy pic the other night i might have bought ya a drink next time i saw ya.

Much love man.

You said you had 2 pics??
Greedy - its running now either monday or tuesday   will let you know!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 05:38:27 PM
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

Had approx £220 on the horse today either in the place market or the win and total profit of a grand so not a bad day all in all!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on September 30, 2011, 05:39:29 PM
WP.

Never seen this till late. sigh..

Let me know for the next one.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 05:44:35 PM
WP.

Never seen this till late. sigh..

Let me know for the next one.


Will do!
Obv you will need to become an avid reader of a degens diary!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on September 30, 2011, 06:33:40 PM
was reading Celtic's..  FML.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on September 30, 2011, 06:39:36 PM
Tek a bow son i got on tytyty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 07:51:48 PM
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

Had approx £220 on the horse today either in the place market or the win and total profit of a grand so not a bad day all in all!!



Very well done. I was positive this race wasn't going to be run to suit to stayed well away from the entire race. VWP.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

Had approx £220 on the horse today either in the place market or the win and total profit of a grand so not a bad day all in all!!



Very well done. I was positive this race wasn't going to be run to suit to stayed well away from the entire race. VWP.
Lol just as race was about to start i am ready to go and watch across the road at Laddies when my Financial Director turns up so i cant get out, then whilst she is there my phone goes and i dont get to check till 5mins after the race and i open up to find the magic words from the Jockey

"Were you on?"  now i know its Paaaaaaiiiii time


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 08:09:03 PM
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

Had approx £220 on the horse today either in the place market or the win and total profit of a grand so not a bad day all in all!!



Very well done. I was positive this race wasn't going to be run to suit to stayed well away from the entire race. VWP.
Lol just as race was about to start i am ready to go and watch across the road at Laddies when my Financial Director turns up so i cant get out, then whilst she is there my phone goes and i dont get to check till 5mins after the race and i open up to find the magic words from the Jockey

"Were you on?"  now i know its Paaaaaaiiiii time

lol, always happens to me as well. Someone always shows up just when I have bet365 telly or something running on my PC :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on September 30, 2011, 08:33:47 PM
Bet ur glad u didn't watch mate. it didn't jump the stalls very well had a bit of argy bargy mid race then hammered it home.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2011, 08:48:22 PM
Bet ur glad u didn't watch mate. it didn't jump the stalls very well had a bit of argy bargy mid race then hammered it home.
Did it win by far?  Enjoy the ££ Girgles


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on September 30, 2011, 08:51:32 PM
Bet ur glad u didn't watch mate. it didn't jump the stalls very well had a bit of argy bargy mid race then hammered it home.
Did it win by far?  Enjoy the ££ Girgles

1 length according to the RP


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on September 30, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
Bet ur glad u didn't watch mate. it didn't jump the stalls very well had a bit of argy bargy mid race then hammered it home.
Did it win by far?  Enjoy the ££ Girgles

1 length according to the RP

had a bit left in the tank tho


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on September 30, 2011, 09:15:52 PM
damn work, I missed this.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 02, 2011, 10:38:34 PM
Hardly been on since Thursday was good to meet you too Rich and hopefully catch up agian at some point. Congrats on the horse, sods law I didn't check Blonde before playing Friday and then did 2 horses that got given to me before play started which both lost :(



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 09:49:45 AM
2nd Bullet down   :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 11:29:00 AM
AN INTERESTING WEEKEND!!

Well after the horse won on Friday afternoon I had decided i would play day1b of the Luton £200 deepstack so had arranged to meet Celtic for a meal beforehand, i placed 3 footie bets on Saturday laying Villa and Middlesbrough on betfair and one paid for the other and also a £30 sevenfold on over 2.5 goals unfortunately Crawley could not find a 3rd goal in the last 30 minutes to deny me a £3000 payday but meh so off to Luton it was.

We had a meal with Sicillian, Turny and  Rob Garfield with Celtic lucking out getting the last Rib-eye steak which was amazing considering we were the first diners in the restaurant and the rest of the menu was limited to say the least. I lost the imaginary cc flip with Vinny AGAIN and even gave him receipt enabling him to take his cleaner sorry girlfriend out another time and the comp started..

I managed to chip up to 30k in the first 2 levels from a ss of 25k but in level 3 against the value on the table i repped a really strong hand ott and river unfortunately he could not find a laydown and in the realms of the shortstack we went. 
I hung around by jamming a couple of good spots but at 3/600/50 I jammed over an utg raise and a cold flat utg+2 with  Qh Ahrt from the SB with my 15 bigs and lost the race vs  Jc Jd  >:(

A very shallow 1/1 omaha game had started with some players sat with 30-40 and others 60 so I sat with £80 and only played IP and good holdings as they others were really happy to limp call with 2 holdem type hands.  I doubled up when from the bb i flopped top and bottom pair called a small flop bet from the button, turned a flush and straight draw calling the pot bet on the turn and hitting the straight on the river.

It was then a face at the opposite end of the table said "Hi Richard" and i recognised under the cap as Charlie a chap i remembered from old Luton Days...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
OLD LUTON DAYS!!

Charlie was an old school grinder from the old Luton Grosvenor Casino in the days when the cash games consisted of mainly just dealers choice with Shirley/Charlie/Paul Alterman and a few others, i think he got banned from the Grosvenor casino's as i told him i had not seen him for about 7+ years even though i occasionally played at the "G" and he replied that he had never been there but this was not through his choice.

The old Luton Casino was a compact card room and if you ever won either at Poker or on the House games you still had a sweat to see if you could get from the front desk to the Sainsbury's car park via a dark alleyway and past a derelict pub with all your cash and body intact, it was always worth tipping the bouncer a few quid for an escort to your car!!

Around that time a young guy had come onto the scene in Luton, and before you guess it was not Celtic as the young should give it away. JP Kelly used it as his live stomping ground crushing the games for a few years, I am not sure what he is up to now as you never see him there anymore!!!

Anyway i booked half of my £220 buyin back in this Omaha game and bid Vinny, Sicillian and Claw good ruck before leaving for a day by the sea yesterday...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on October 03, 2011, 03:04:19 PM

Anyway i booked half of my £220 buyin back in this Omaha game and bid Vinny, Sicillian and Claw good ruck before leaving for a day by the sea yesterday...

Reads better in a Chinese accent.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on October 03, 2011, 03:17:18 PM

Anyway i booked half of my £220 buyin back in this Omaha game and bid Vinny, Sicillian and Claw good ruck before leaving for a day by the sea yesterday...

Reads better in a Chinese accent.

I think that was implied Alan!

You miss your Aloe this morning?!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 03, 2011, 03:26:46 PM
Omg im on fire atm....

Picked 2 horses at pontefract today 2 x £40 singles and a £20 double.

Both won 7/4 and 11/4 netting £400 profit wiiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on October 03, 2011, 04:03:42 PM

Anyway i booked half of my £220 buyin back in this Omaha game and bid Vinny, Sicillian and Claw good ruck before leaving for a day by the sea yesterday...

Reads better in a Chinese accent.

I think that was implied Alan!

You miss your Aloe this morning?!

Forgive me for being slow - must be an age thing.

Never miss my morning Aloe though, nor my Argi+


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 04:09:07 PM

Anyway i booked half of my £220 buyin back in this Omaha game and bid Vinny, Sicillian and Claw good ruck before leaving for a day by the sea yesterday...

Reads better in a Chinese accent.

I think that was implied Alan!

You miss your Aloe this morning?!

Forgive me for being slow - must be an age thing.

Never miss my morning Aloe though, nor my Argi+
Your never too old Lucky  ;)
Do you know the result of day2??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on October 03, 2011, 04:56:05 PM
Final 3 were Vinny, Gavin Kan & Rob Garfield  - £1,500 each and another £1,150 to play for. Didn't wait to see the outcome.

4th  Me                          £1,500
5th  Paul Garnham            £1,200
6th  Paul Turnstill             £1,200
7th  Paul Brown               £1,200


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 04:57:40 PM
Final 3 were Vinny, Gavin Kan & Rob Garfield  - £1,500 each and another £1,150 to play for. Didn't wait to see the outcome.

4th  Me                          £1,500
5th  Paul Garnham            £1,200
6th  Paul Turnstill             £1,200
7th  Paul Brown               £1,200
Knew you were lurking in a degens diary for a reason  ;)

Wp some familiar faces in that list..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on October 03, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
Final 3 were Vinny, Gavin Kan & Rob Garfield  - £1,500 each and another £1,150 to play for. Didn't wait to see the outcome.

4th  Me                          £1,500
5th  Paul Garnham            £1,200
6th  Paul Turnstill             £1,200
7th  Paul Brown               £1,200
Knew you were lurking in a degens diary for a reason  ;)

Wp some familiar faces in that list..

Have been reading since day one.

Good final table.  Your saturday night dinner companions all did well!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 03, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
Eso.
           Im playing the GUKPT next month in Blackpool.

Take me to dinner please.

GTD Cash.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
Eso.
           Im playing the GUKPT next month in Blackpool.

Take me to dinner please.

GTD Cash.
Lol  what % am i on?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 03, 2011, 05:49:33 PM
Eso.
           Im playing the GUKPT next month in Blackpool.

Take me to dinner please.

GTD Cash.
Lol  what % am i on?
Depends on the Tips....  ;) ;) ;hattip;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 03, 2011, 07:08:45 PM
Eso.
           Im playing the GUKPT next month in Blackpool.

Take me to dinner please.

GTD Cash.

 rotflmfao

Just say yes Rich. He won't turn up anyway...




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 08:25:43 PM
Hardly been on since Thursday was good to meet you too Rich and hopefully catch up agian at some point. Congrats on the horse, sods law I didn't check Blonde before playing Friday and then did 2 horses that got given to me before play started which both lost :(


Yeah defo catch up next time your around, how was Killarney?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 03, 2011, 09:04:57 PM
Hardly been on since Thursday was good to meet you too Rich and hopefully catch up agian at some point. Congrats on the horse, sods law I didn't check Blonde before playing Friday and then did 2 horses that got given to me before play started which both lost :(


Yeah defo catch up next time your around, how was Killarney?

It was great fun as always and I got sort of deep (not sure if it could be classed as that though :D) went out 20 off the money.

Day 1 was tough, I had a pretty rough table with 6 decent players and I never got much above 20k until the last level of the day when I hit a heater going from 12k to 75k in about 45minutes. Got from 12k to 30k without showing a card and then doubled with K9 v T9 on a J929. Biggest pot I lost in last level was 10k against the same woman's bowl my AJ<99 aipf.

Day 2 was pretty tough and as with day 1 the redraw wasn't all that kind. Was out of position to a good player Mark O' Connor who made the final. We had a bit of tussling through the day and I went from 75k to 35k without much of note. got back to 70k winning a flip and then more than doubled in a cooler. Guy opens h/j to 8.5 @ 2/4, I make it 19k from c/o and BB ships QQ. My KK holds and I'm comfortable again.

I open c/o first hand back after break to 13k playing 145k, Mark makes it 30k which I expected as he'd been 3betting me a lot through the day. 9T obv looks like heaven so I 4ball for all my points and can't get there against AA. Happy with how I played throughout the 2 days though and was plenty of banter at the tables which makes it all the better.

I had swapped 5% with Skalie though in the break before I got KO'd so with him chopping it for 45k basically freerolled the trip and pays for my weekend in Clacton next month for a little festival that's going on there.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on October 03, 2011, 09:36:20 PM
start blog marky ldo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 03, 2011, 10:12:42 PM
Eso.
           Im playing the GUKPT next month in Blackpool.

Take me to dinner please.

GTD Cash.

 rotflmfao




GFY Vinny.

Just say yes Rich. He won't turn up anyway...





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 03, 2011, 10:31:27 PM
start blog marky ldo

Nah don't think there is any gap in the market, my life isn't really that interesting in all fairness apart from when I'm away on trips :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 11:11:49 PM

I had swapped 5% with Skalie though in the break before I got KO'd so with him chopping it for 45k basically freerolled the trip and pays for my weekend in Clacton next month for a little festival that's going on there.

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Golden!!   whats on at Clacton and when??

Nice TR  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
start blog marky ldo

Nah don't think there is any gap in the market, my life isn't really that interesting in all fairness apart from when I'm away on trips :D
Errrrrrrrrrrrr  your vegas tale you told me friday night would be a good start!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 09:37:35 AM
100K CHALLENGE

3rd Bullet being fired, and this one i am sticking to football and shall be laying (opposing) teams!!

1st bet is a lay of  Dagenham & Redbridge   vs Southend tonight  my £40 staked wins £24.39 less comm if Southend draw or win!!




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 04, 2011, 12:11:25 PM
start blog marky ldo

Nah don't think there is any gap in the market, my life isn't really that interesting in all fairness apart from when I'm away on trips :D
Errrrrrrrrrrrr  your vegas tale you told me friday night would be a good start!!!

Yeah when I'm away on trips there is prob some stuff worth writing about and this years with Alex was probably the most comical trip I've had. My day to day is pretty monotonous and I don't play nearly enough poker for that to be the base of it. Could maybe use the Karl Pilkington angle and go with an idiot's battle with MS but that again is pretty boring :D

I'll do a diary of Vegas next year though for sure as I do one for VMB albeit an edited version to make it more suitable for the members there :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 04, 2011, 12:17:16 PM
Golden!!   whats on at Clacton and when??

Nice TR  ;)

Yeah pretty sick swapping tekkers, I felt really bad though as I went out straight after we swapped :(

It's a memorial weekend for a member of the other forum who died a short while back and just a bunch of ppl get together for a few small comps. I didn't go last year as I was not well the weekend of it, I'm deffo going this year regardless as I was gutted hearing about how good it was from everyone on the forum.

Those are the comps, I 'll be travelling up Friday lunchtime then leaving on possibly Tuesday as a mate might be flying over from Tenerife for it and his flight back isn't until then.

Friday 25th.
8pm...£30 freezeout mtt 7k chips with 2x30 min blinds and then 20 min blinds to completion.

Sat 26th.

Midday...£30+£10 bounty mtt. 7k chips and 20 min blinds.

8.30pm...Deepstack highroller mtt.
£100 Freezeout with 15k chips and 30 min blinds .

Sunday 27th.

Midday...ONTHESTEAL memorial mtt.

£50 freezeout .10k chips and 30 min blinds to completion.

As with previous weekends there will be 2 dealer dealt cash tables running for the entire weekend and stt's available throughout.


I do keep a diary on another forum and wasn't too bad at english when I went to school :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 04, 2011, 02:37:20 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

;)

The shove was fine, just unlucky imo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on October 04, 2011, 02:57:15 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 04, 2011, 03:29:53 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!

ghey ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 04, 2011, 03:36:46 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!

ghey ;)

I gave more love.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
@ KillerKilsby & @Boshmeister   TYTY

Did either of you get seats??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 04, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!

ghey ;)

I gave more love.

Yeah but you're just big hearted and have a lot of love to give.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 04, 2011, 04:15:47 PM
Are you on twitter? Xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 04:17:53 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!

ghey ;)

I gave more love.

Yeah but you're just big hearted and have a lot of love to give.
get a room!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 04:18:40 PM
Are you on twitter? Xx
No unfortunately!  You?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 04, 2011, 04:22:55 PM
Played the Satellite to the deepstack last night and saw Herbie double through in the first hand, unfortunately i finished 19th having shoved 13 bigs from the HJ with  5d 5s and the c/o wakes up to  Jc Jd not sure if it was the right shove in this spot??

Comical moment early on with 3 players i dont know openly praising my diary, always nice to get +feedback from unknowns!

The horse i have been waiting to come out is now due out on Thursday so will keep checking as its been entered quite a few times over the past week or so and will obv post itt.

I was 1 of the 3 sending love to the diary!

ghey ;)

I gave more love.

Yeah but you're just big hearted and have a lot of love to give.

But only a small willy.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 04, 2011, 04:25:12 PM
@ KillerKilsby & @Boshmeister   TYTY

Did either of you get seats??

Yep, managed to run like Patrick Makau.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 04, 2011, 05:57:02 PM
Are you on twitter? Xx
No unfortunately!  You?

yea @girgy85 if anyone wants to follow my nonsense.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
100K CHALLENGE

3rd Bullet being fired, and this one i am sticking to football and shall be laying (opposing) teams!!

1st bet is a lay of  Dagenham & Redbridge   vs Southend tonight  my £40 staked wins £24.39 less comm if Southend draw or win!!



#offandrunningagain

First bet wins so were at £63.22 running into the weekend, now all i need to do is find a lay for then!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: KarmaDope on October 04, 2011, 10:36:51 PM
Do you have to have a bet this weekend?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 04, 2011, 10:47:30 PM
Only 2 games out of 12 in the JPT tonight less than 2.5 goals. That bet is the way to go! Got me a sweat for Friday


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Only 2 games out of 12 in the JPT tonight less than 2.5 goals. That bet is the way to go! Got me a sweat for Friday
Why whats running??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 11:19:09 PM
Do you have to have a bet this weekend?
Hey Sharples
No bud i dont have to but if one jumps out at me then i shall if not will wait for next week..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2011, 11:28:30 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on October 04, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...

You have 12 bigs. It's a routine call for me, mind you I do routinely lose them too:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 05, 2011, 08:00:52 AM
Standard call for me, you just need to run better.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 05, 2011, 09:23:29 AM
Only 2 games out of 12 in the JPT tonight less than 2.5 goals. That bet is the way to go! Got me a sweat for Friday
Why whats running??


2 left out of my 6 team acca.. obv this is a massive self bok, but got Shamrock Rovers V Bohemians tonight and tomorrow a bet which i am regretting now.. Germany U-20 v Italy U-20 (what was i thinking with this one??)

Anyways, gonna do some maths and have a look at past results and see if what the scope for some big perms is. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
Only 2 games out of 12 in the JPT tonight less than 2.5 goals. That bet is the way to go! Got me a sweat for Friday
Why whats running??


2 left out of my 6 team acca.. obv this is a massive self bok, but got Shamrock Rovers V Bohemians tonight and tomorrow a bet which i am regretting now.. Germany U-20 v Italy U-20 (what was i thinking with this one??)

Anyways, gonna do some maths and have a look at past results and see if what the scope for some big perms is. 

Already been working on this and the only way i think it can be done is if you concentrate on league 1+2 but thats 24 matches (too many)  so you have to bracket them in 2's which gives you 12 selections and the perm any 6 brackets ( 1x twelvefold) which is 924 bets x say 5p and you show a small profit if you get 1 up any more is good. You probs should cover 8 brackets as well which is 495 bets which gives you a sixteen fold and IMO you need to place this with William Hill as the odds are greater and they let you cover up to 24folds, the biggest pain is writing out the slip and also how do you pick the teams??
Ie  lucky dip or your selections or top tema from league 1 etc etc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 10:30:40 AM
Standard call for me, you just need to run better.


Not sure on this!  As the blinds will go past me and i still have 30k left and there are some stacks that i could be shoving into that make it a tough call for them and winning the blinds only at this stage once per orbit can lock up a seat. Maybe 9's is the bottom of the range  less is an easy fold IDK  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 05, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
Only 2 games out of 12 in the JPT tonight less than 2.5 goals. That bet is the way to go! Got me a sweat for Friday
Why whats running??


2 left out of my 6 team acca.. obv this is a massive self bok, but got Shamrock Rovers V Bohemians tonight and tomorrow a bet which i am regretting now.. Germany U-20 v Italy U-20 (what was i thinking with this one??)

Anyways, gonna do some maths and have a look at past results and see if what the scope for some big perms is. 

Already been working on this and the only way i think it can be done is if you concentrate on league 1+2 but thats 24 matches (too many)  so you have to bracket them in 2's which gives you 12 selections and the perm any 6 brackets ( 1x twelvefold) which is 924 bets x say 5p and you show a small profit if you get 1 up any more is good. You probs should cover 8 brackets as well which is 495 bets which gives you a sixteen fold and IMO you need to place this with William Hill as the odds are greater and they let you cover up to 24folds, the biggest pain is writing out the slip and also how do you pick the teams??
Ie  lucky dip or your selections or top tema from league 1 etc etc

Easy part to answer is selecting teams. I largely go off H2H results, in form teams, worst defences etc.

Brackets is a great idea but would be a massive ballache on writing them out in a slip, not aware of any online sites where you can do this? ie (Team 1 and Team 2) + (Team 3 and Team 4) etc etc.

Was looking at straight perms, but to see decent returns it could get pretty pricey.

I figure 14 teams, x1 £5 Acca + perm 4 folds (1001 bets @5p = £50), would rather do 20 teams of 10 brackets and perm from them.

Will let you know if i figure anything out.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 05, 2011, 10:54:57 AM
Standard call for me, you just need to run better.


Not sure on this!  As the blinds will go past me and i still have 30k left and there are some stacks that i could be shoving into that make it a tough call for them and winning the blinds only at this stage once per orbit can lock up a seat. Maybe 9's is the bottom of the range  less is an easy fold IDK  ;carlocitrone;


He's shoving range is ATC? I know it's horrible calling and then hoping you hold, but in that position you might be waiting a long time to get the opportunity to be first in to a pot, and you know you're way ahead of his range.

I think it's a standard call here, but waiting to be told I'm wrong, again.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on October 05, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
I genuinely cannot keep up with this diary. I think you might be a little too mental for me.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Lucky on October 05, 2011, 12:20:49 PM
I thought it was a good call Richard, especially after some of the moves Paul had been making.

Similarly I thought my shove with AQ was right in the previous hand and unlucky to find he'd opened with AK. (Not sure why the BB called with Queen high though!).


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 05, 2011, 12:25:52 PM
If you fancy playing in Clacton let me know and I'll tell them to put you on the list. I think you might have to join the snooker club to play but it's free anyway. I'm guessing only the £100 would be worth playing anyway for yourself on the Saturday night. I've just been looking at trains and it's a complete mission to get there from the sleepy hollows of Dorchester!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 05, 2011, 12:51:47 PM
Standard call for me, you just need to run better.


Not sure on this!  As the blinds will go past me and i still have 30k left and there are some stacks that i could be shoving into that make it a tough call for them and winning the blinds only at this stage once per orbit can lock up a seat. Maybe 9's is the bottom of the range  less is an easy fold IDK  ;carlocitrone;


He's shoving range is ATC? I know it's horrible calling and then hoping you hold, but in that position you might be waiting a long time to get the opportunity to be first in to a pot, and you know you're way ahead of his range.

I think it's a standard call here, but waiting to be told I'm wrong, again.

You're not wrong, Eso knows you're not wrong as well..he just got knocked out and is therefore questioning his perfectly valid call.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on October 05, 2011, 08:16:48 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc
had an offer on house today 93k ....tempted but declined with counter offer 97k good move or take the money?
first time buyer no chain and we no chain so made sound better!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 08:43:00 PM
on the market for 105k its a 2/3 bed terrace with an extension.

we have a mortgage and need to pay off few debts
but selling will save us £500 a month

will be left with 25k ish but anything under the £105 will obviously reduce that

may go on holiday put some away etc
had an offer on house today 93k ....tempted but declined with counter offer 97k good move or take the money?
first time buyer no chain and we no chain so made sound better!
Tell the agent to call the buyer and say that 97k is still a bit light and see if they will raise a bitbut tell them "not to lose the buyer" if they dont raise try to chip a bit off the agents fee by saying you cant quite make the figures work and see what they say. Dont give up if the agent say they cant just say you need to put some figs together and try again, they will probs chuck in a bit if it means tying up the deal.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 08:47:59 PM
I thought it was a good call Richard, especially after some of the moves Paul had been making.

Similarly I thought my shove with AQ was right in the previous hand and unlucky to find he'd opened with AK. (Not sure why the BB called with Queen high though!).
If I am in Pauls spot i do the same and yeah the AQ was right   true true on the BB??

Still not sure if a call is correct so gonna post on PHA for the definitive response!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 08:48:38 PM
I genuinely cannot keep up with this diary. I think you might be a little too mental for me.
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   keep reading!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 05, 2011, 09:07:19 PM
Fuck off, Shamrock vs Bohemians 1-1.... Back to the drawing board. Would of been a nice £660 sweat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 09:09:21 PM
Fuck off, Shamrock vs Bohemians 1-1.... Back to the drawing board. Would of been a nice £660 sweat.
Ul bud, i read the racing post at lunch and they tipped 0-0 in this match tonight but obv i hoped they were wrong for you!!

Horse runs tomorrow!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 05, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...

I see you've posted a 'similar' hand on the PHA board :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 09:13:54 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...

I see you've posted a 'similar' hand on the PHA board :D
ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   just wanted to see   I will have a beer bet with you as you know I am not a gambling man than its roughly 50/50 on call/fold responses!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 05, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
When will the horse tip be announced please Mr Kral xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
When will the horse tip be announced please Mr Kral xx
2moro  but i dont think its gonna be a big price hopefully it will just be like finding a few quid on the floor!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2011, 09:24:58 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...

I see you've posted a 'similar' hand on the PHA board :D
2-0 to u boshi so far  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 05, 2011, 09:27:09 PM
Fuck off, Shamrock vs Bohemians 1-1.... Back to the drawing board. Would of been a nice £660 sweat.
Ul bud, i read the racing post at lunch and they tipped 0-0 in this match tonight but obv i hoped they were wrong for you!!

Horse runs tomorrow!

I'll be on as per usual. lets dooooooooooo eeeeeeeeet


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 05, 2011, 09:37:32 PM
Standard call for me, you just need to run better.


Not sure on this!  As the blinds will go past me and i still have 30k left and there are some stacks that i could be shoving into that make it a tough call for them and winning the blinds only at this stage once per orbit can lock up a seat. Maybe 9's is the bottom of the range  less is an easy fold IDK  ;carlocitrone;

my range in ur situation is ax 77+ k7+ kx qt+ jt s+

maybe snap with any pair

I was shoving every hand and calling with alot of hands

ur 99 was a fist pump imo



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 05, 2011, 09:50:46 PM
Sigh

Played the satellite tonight for the 300 and with 10 seats gtd i sat snug early but was pretty card dead all night and from 3/600 - 8/1600 i never got above 10 bigs and was just shipping against stacks.
Then with 20 left got moved but found the CL on my right, I didnt know who he was but saw him shove a few times then he near enough tripled through with AK v AQ v Q8 aipf and knocked out Lucky. He then open shoved the next 8 hands and when it gets to my BB he types "I Love Richard Blacklock" i knew his name was Paul but which one??

He ships 160k in the middle and i have  9c  9s and 35k at 1500/3000 just about to go 2/4000 i look at the other table and there are not enough shorties to gtee a seat so i call.
IS THIS BAD??

obv Q2 off gets there on the river when the Q hits and i find out its  PAUL HO!!

So i shall be buying in Friday now and if needs be Saturday also...

I see you've posted a 'similar' hand on the PHA board :D
ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   just wanted to see   I will have a beer bet with you as you know I am not a gambling man than its roughly 50/50 on call/fold responses!!

Loser buys the first drink, winner gets the next one :cheers:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: maldini32 on October 05, 2011, 11:18:41 PM
Hi mate,

Been reading your diary from the start and its a brilliant and insightful read into your life. A real eye opener.

Also the tips are pretty good.

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?

I could wait a year maybe 2 get a decent a deposit and then jump into the property market? New homes? Shared ownership?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on October 05, 2011, 11:21:13 PM

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?


beeston? :P you get so so shit mortgage deals on 0% equity.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 05, 2011, 11:22:48 PM

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?


beeston? :P you get so so shit mortgage deals on 0% equity.

doubt any bank will give u a mortgage with 0 deposit



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 08:43:40 AM
Hi mate,

Been reading your diary from the start and its a brilliant and insightful read into your life. A real eye opener.

Also the tips are pretty good.

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?

I could wait a year maybe 2 get a decent a deposit and then jump into the property market? New homes? Shared ownership?


TY for reading, with nil deposit its nigh on impossible to get a mortgage now so you really need to save a deposit which in a rising market means as your saving up you might go from thinking about getting a 2 bed house say but by the time your deposit is saved all you get is a flat, however I believe the market is going to be really tough for at least 18months so if you can get a deposit together then great you wont miss out.
Also if say you get 10k together but need 20k and you have already researched the fact the bank will lend you 10k you can wait until the very last minute ie day of exchange and take the loan obv as long as you know you can service the loan and mortgage!
Or if you save 10k and you see something you like at say 160k but you need 20k deposit  tell the vendors you are prepared to pay the £160k as long as they gift you back 10k towards your deposit (this is called a vendor gifted deposit- some lenders like this others not) which means they nett out at 150k you get your 10k and as long as the property values up to 160k on paper then everyones a winner, this works well if the vendor is upsizing and can pass any loss up the chain!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: maldini32 on October 06, 2011, 10:04:16 AM
Hi mate,

Been reading your diary from the start and its a brilliant and insightful read into your life. A real eye opener.

Also the tips are pretty good.

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?

I could wait a year maybe 2 get a decent a deposit and then jump into the property market? New homes? Shared ownership?


TY for reading, with nil deposit its nigh on impossible to get a mortgage now so you really need to save a deposit which in a rising market means as your saving up you might go from thinking about getting a 2 bed house say but by the time your deposit is saved all you get is a flat, however I believe the market is going to be really tough for at least 18months so if you can get a deposit together then great you wont miss out.
Also if say you get 10k together but need 20k and you have already researched the fact the bank will lend you 10k you can wait until the very last minute ie day of exchange and take the loan obv as long as you know you can service the loan and mortgage!
Or if you save 10k and you see something you like at say 160k but you need 20k deposit  tell the vendors you are prepared to pay the £160k as long as they gift you back 10k towards your deposit (this is called a vendor gifted deposit- some lenders like this others not) which means they nett out at 150k you get your 10k and as long as the property values up to 160k on paper then everyones a winner, this works well if the vendor is upsizing and can pass any loss up the chain!!

Thanks for the reply mate. Not moving anytime soon, just wanting to stop renting as i seem to have done that forever!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 10:05:57 AM
Hi mate,

Been reading your diary from the start and its a brilliant and insightful read into your life. A real eye opener.

Also the tips are pretty good.

My question is property related. For a first time buyer with no deposit, what would you advise?

I could wait a year maybe 2 get a decent a deposit and then jump into the property market? New homes? Shared ownership?


TY for reading, with nil deposit its nigh on impossible to get a mortgage now so you really need to save a deposit which in a rising market means as your saving up you might go from thinking about getting a 2 bed house say but by the time your deposit is saved all you get is a flat, however I believe the market is going to be really tough for at least 18months so if you can get a deposit together then great you wont miss out.
Also if say you get 10k together but need 20k and you have already researched the fact the bank will lend you 10k you can wait until the very last minute ie day of exchange and take the loan obv as long as you know you can service the loan and mortgage!
Or if you save 10k and you see something you like at say 160k but you need 20k deposit  tell the vendors you are prepared to pay the £160k as long as they gift you back 10k towards your deposit (this is called a vendor gifted deposit- some lenders like this others not) which means they nett out at 150k you get your 10k and as long as the property values up to 160k on paper then everyones a winner, this works well if the vendor is upsizing and can pass any loss up the chain!!

Thanks for the reply mate. Not moving anytime soon, just wanting to stop renting as i seem to have done that forever!
NP when your ready pm me your number and i will put you in touch with a few people!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 10:40:51 AM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 10:50:46 AM
If you fancy playing in Clacton let me know and I'll tell them to put you on the list. I think you might have to join the snooker club to play but it's free anyway. I'm guessing only the £100 would be worth playing anyway for yourself on the Saturday night. I've just been looking at trains and it's a complete mission to get there from the sleepy hollows of Dorchester!!
Is Clacton  October or November?  if October no can do as will be playing a deepstack cant remember if its Bham or London   lmk
If its November your welcome to get to Leigh and i will drive you over!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 06, 2011, 10:56:16 AM
Dissapointed that when someone asks about a 20k deposit, you can't put together a sensible plan for them involving 6folds and up to a £1 stake.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
WORK WORK WORK

Its still tough but we have lots of 2nd viewings going into the weekend so hopefully a few deals will come from this!

I was driving to work this morning thinking its not all bad, I get up spend half an hour with Petra and Maxwell before driving 2miniutes when i reach the seafront and then i drive 5 miles along the front which is agreat drive at that time in the morning especially when the tide is in and you have the window open smelling the fresh air.

You always see the same people, ie the joggers some with prams and dogs, the mums on the school runs, the shop owners putting out the tables and chairs outside the cafes along the front and a really interesting guy who i see every day who starts at the Chalkwell end of the seafront and walks all 5 miles on the way to work with a paper under his arm who stops at all the parking meters (every 100 yds or so) and checks to see if anyone has left any coins in the bottom bit. I always wonder if this is a fruitless task or whether he actually finds a few quid on a daily basis to buy his lunch!!

Anyway off to value a 15 bedroom carehome now which sounds like a good business as the owner gets £500 per week per patient and has always 10plus in there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 11:06:21 AM
Dissapointed that when someone asks about a 20k deposit, you can't put together a sensible plan for them involving 6folds and up to a £1 stake.
NH obv Maldini should keep following me in the challenge as i am defo going to get thereeeeeeeee!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 06, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
You always see the same people, ie the joggers some with prams and dogs,

They are crazy MF'ers down south man.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on October 06, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
We just got bid accepted and accepted an offer for our house. So hopefully we move in 5-6 weeks. The very best mortgage deals available to us was those with 70-80% equity, alot of the ones with under 50% equity took the piss no end.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
We just got bid accepted and accepted an offer for our house. So hopefully we move in 5-6 weeks. The very best mortgage deals available to us was those with 70-80% equity, alot of the ones with under 50% equity took the piss no end.
Oh yeah the better % the better in fact i know people who have got 25% but then took a last minute loan for the extra 5% as they were a few thousand better off at the end of the 3-5year loan having paid that off and the difference in rate they achieved!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 06, 2011, 11:38:51 AM
Is Clacton  October or November?  if October no can do as will be playing a deepstack cant remember if its Bham or London   lmk
If its November your welcome to get to Leigh and i will drive you over!!

It's the last week in November 25th-27th inclusive. I'm coming up on Friday morning and staying until Monday so it's prob just easier for me to make my own way over there. Thanks for the offer though it's appreciated, I can sort assistance out at the train stations if needs be anyway and that should eliminate any real problems.

The comps will be a mixture of good players and some real local value I would imagine, I can't be 100% but that's the feeling I get from talking to the guys I know about previous weekends there. They're great fun too and a lot of good guys will be there.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
Bullet 3  Bet 2
I layed Dagenham in bet 1 at home v Southend and I am laying Dagenham in bet 2 away this time at Cheltenham as Cheltenham are higher up the league with a good home record v some good sides this year so my £63.23 wins  £27.49 before comm.


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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 06, 2011, 12:10:01 PM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
Is Clacton  October or November?  if October no can do as will be playing a deepstack cant remember if its Bham or London   lmk
If its November your welcome to get to Leigh and i will drive you over!!

It's the last week in November 25th-27th inclusive. I'm coming up on Friday morning and staying until Monday so it's prob just easier for me to make my own way over there. Thanks for the offer though it's appreciated, I can sort assistance out at the train stations if needs be anyway and that should eliminate any real problems.

The comps will be a mixture of good players and some real local value I would imagine, I can't be 100% but that's the feeling I get from talking to the guys I know about previous weekends there. They're great fun too and a lot of good guys will be there.
Will probs come for the £100   remind me closer to the time!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 12:12:32 PM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)
Booked as a pirvate side bet   if you win i will bank xfer on monday as in Notts this weekend,  not sure the mods will vouch for me but the Chinese Mafia will!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 06, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)
Booked as a pirvate side bet   if you win i will bank xfer on monday as in Notts this weekend,  not sure the mods will vouch for me but the Chineese Mafia will!  ;)

Monday is fine, no probs, I will probs be then too if needs be.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)
Booked as a pirvate side bet   if you win i will bank xfer on monday as in Notts this weekend,  not sure the mods will vouch for me but the Chineese Mafia will!  ;)
Cool

Monday is fine, no probs, I will probs be then too if needs be.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 06, 2011, 01:01:30 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!

Lol - I get plenty of info from this yard, my source is currently under a bus after Position  cost us collectively at one table £150k at Kemoton last night...my part was the small part but still five figures. I never share as I'd get shot, but if I do get to speak to him I'll PM you. I am off to think of ways to win back the losses on a big downswing week all round ha ha. Luton Friday?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 01:07:45 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!

Lol - I get plenty of info from this yard, my source is currently under a bus after Position  cost us collectively at one table £150k at Kemoton last night...my part was the small part but still five figures. I never share as I'd get shot, but if I do get to speak to him I'll PM you. I am off to think of ways to win back the losses on a big downswing week all round ha ha. Luton Friday?
Wow maybe you should start a diary!!  Yeah Pm would be nice cheers.   Luton is a no unfortunately as i shall be going up for day1a at DTD gutted really as Vinny said he was buying!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 06, 2011, 01:47:24 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!

Lol - I get plenty of info from this yard, my source is currently under a bus after Position  cost us collectively at one table £150k at Kemoton last night...my part was the small part but still five figures. I never share as I'd get shot, but if I do get to speak to him I'll PM you. I am off to think of ways to win back the losses on a big downswing week all round ha ha. Luton Friday?
Wow maybe you should start a diary!!  Yeah Pm would be nice cheers.   Luton is a no unfortunately as i shall be going up for day1a at DTD gutted really as Vinny said he was buying!!

As a representative of  Vincenzo Inc I would like it noted this statement may or may not be true and my client has the right to withdraw all such offers when called upon to fulfill


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 06, 2011, 02:01:14 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!

Lol - I get plenty of info from this yard, my source is currently under a bus after Position  cost us collectively at one table £150k at Kemoton last night...my part was the small part but still five figures. I never share as I'd get shot, but if I do get to speak to him I'll PM you. I am off to think of ways to win back the losses on a big downswing week all round ha ha. Luton Friday?
Wow maybe you should start a diary!!  Yeah Pm would be nice cheers.   Luton is a no unfortunately as i shall be going up for day1a at DTD gutted really as Vinny said he was buying!!

Nah - no diary, I've known my mate 20 years and he's very touchy about what I share. Basically I deposit £2k at start of season and give him the log on to my bet365 account and he manages. Usually level 10% stakes, with 20% as a maximum bet.  We went for it yesterday as probably last bet of the season, and the horse is so much better than it's last run at Newcastle, we were on big style when it won Southwell maiden 3/1 to 6/4 by 12 lengths.  We do miss winners as he basically just bets value - so likely today's wouldn't be a bet for us, but could still be a winner.  This season has been break even which is disappointing, 2nds have cost us big style, Position, Kinetic, Tenby Lady before it ran its streak up.

We should get a date in when you are around, prob going to play GUKPT next week, but perhaps Friday after


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 02:07:27 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!

I backed this horse last time and it finished second, unfortunately its not much of a price today as they have put it in a maiden however it has been entered in loads of handicaps over the past week and they have decided on running it here i assume to get a win before winning a few handicaps!!

DUCAL   5.50 Wolverhampton

I stress this is not a tip just a horse i have a note on as it has already run at Wolverhampton and finished a bit too late.
It is only going to be around 5/4 but hopefully a winners a winner!!

Lol - I get plenty of info from this yard, my source is currently under a bus after Position  cost us collectively at one table £150k at Kemoton last night...my part was the small part but still five figures. I never share as I'd get shot, but if I do get to speak to him I'll PM you. I am off to think of ways to win back the losses on a big downswing week all round ha ha. Luton Friday?
Wow maybe you should start a diary!!  Yeah Pm would be nice cheers.   Luton is a no unfortunately as i shall be going up for day1a at DTD gutted really as Vinny said he was buying!!

Nah - no diary, I've known my mate 20 years and he's very touchy about what I share. Basically I deposit £2k at start of season and give him the log on to my bet365 account and he manages. Usually level 10% stakes, with 20% as a maximum bet.  We went for it yesterday as probably last bet of the season, and the horse is so much better than it's last run at Newcastle, we were on big style when it won Southwell maiden 3/1 to 6/4 by 12 lengths.  We do miss winners as he basically just bets value - so likely today's wouldn't be a bet for us, but could still be a winner.  This season has been break even which is disappointing, 2nds have cost us big style, Position, Kinetic, Tenby Lady before it ran its streak up.

We should get a date in when you are around, prob going to play GUKPT next week, but perhaps Friday after
Yeah sounds good a week friday!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on October 06, 2011, 04:23:23 PM
on good authority ;) good luck all, watch out for the dazzlerrrrrrrrr


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 04:47:33 PM
on good authority ;) good luck all, watch out for the dazzlerrrrrrrrr
sigh!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 06, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
I've invested a bit of my Skalie rungood funds on this so lets GOGOGO!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 06, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
ESO'S HORSE OF THE DAY!!



Profit warning:

I'm on it.

 ;hide;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 06, 2011, 05:42:14 PM
On it with vinchenzo's Dinner money. ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 05:53:01 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Winner winner


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on October 06, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
Well done boys, i feel robbed though, not dazzlers best moment


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on October 06, 2011, 05:53:50 PM
nice one


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 05:54:12 PM
Well done boys, i feel robbed though, not dazzlers best moment
Yeah agree he let a horse who stays get first run and was in a tez position!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 06, 2011, 06:00:28 PM
Boooooooom eso mfckin kral is the man

cheers xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 06, 2011, 06:25:02 PM
N1 Eso.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 06, 2011, 07:04:50 PM
Hai der!!

Cheers m8 nice heads up!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 06, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
Good work - my man phoned after the race, even more gutted - saying thought would win, would hve had big bet if Position had won, but no good chasing with even money shots in handicaps....I somewhat disagreed with him for not calling ha ha ha


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2011, 09:53:45 PM
TY all

Good job Seb got first run but hey ho, just hope to keep some run good going into the weekend now!!

Shall be driving up at about 2.30 tomorrow!!

GL all


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 07, 2011, 10:14:49 AM
Good work - my man phoned after the race, even more gutted - saying thought would win, would hve had big bet if Position had won, but no good chasing with even money shots in handicaps....I somewhat disagreed with him for not calling ha ha ha
It was a maiden though!!













Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 08, 2011, 08:30:42 AM
Off to York today sirius prospect running worth an ew bet? Xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Off to York today sirius prospect running worth an ew bet? Xx
see below!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2011, 11:42:36 AM
NOTTINGHAM SO FAR!!

Had a great starting table last night and was gutted to be moved and have to start again but had 18k with 15.5k av, unfortunately the next table was not as easy and had a great spot to 4bet when a nitty player raised utg+2 and the c/o 3bets to 1800 at 150/300. He had 3 bet this guy 3 occasions so i 4 bet to 4150 with the mighty  3h 6h only for the small blind to dwell push all in for 13k total.

At the end of level 150/300/25 i find "The Beltons" to those who dont read his diary this is  Qc Qs and raise to 800 out of 9800 next to act 3bets to 2000 and i 4bet jam to be snapped with  Kc Kh and obv i dont do a get there so back to the hotel it was for an early night so we could get up and watch the rugby.

Back into the fold again today though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2011, 11:50:45 AM
HORSES AND FOOTBALL TODAY!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT 4.05 YORK
I spoke to the stable jockey this morning and he said the horse keeps improving at home so they are not to worried about bringing it out only 8 days after its last win, I was concerned as the last time they ran it so quick it bounced a little after the windsor win and gave it a break. However for the followers this horse owes us nothing so as the Jockey said "BACK IT TILL IT LOSES" i have gone into battle and have backed it each way today  (9's i think is best right now)

BRONTERRE  3.10 NEWMARKET
I was told this by someone who said "ITS NOT ORIGINAL BUT..." so iahve availed myself of some money in the PLACE ONLY market on betfair for it to be in the first 3 today.

FOOTBALL
Obv as part of my challenge i am funking for Cheltenham not to lose at home vs Dagenham but i shall be doing a 4 team over 2.5 goals bet on  Scunthorpe/ Wycombe/ Gillingham/ and Morecambe which pays roughly 9/1

Only the top selection is anything but my own so be carefull!!!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 08, 2011, 12:34:21 PM
Come on Bronterre to get out on my worst week since quitting work...one time and all that shite - although I'd rather not be trying to get out in the Dewhurst lol

Gl today mate - oh and Vinny binked again last night, the stallion is on fire


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on October 08, 2011, 04:09:17 PM
HORSES AND FOOTBALL TODAY!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT 4.05 YORK
I spoke to the stable jockey this morning and he said the horse keeps improving at home so they are not to worried about bringing it out only 8 days after its last win, I was concerned as the last time they ran it so quick it bounced a little after the windsor win and gave it a break. However for the followers this horse owes us nothing so as the Jockey said "BACK IT TILL IT LOSES" i have gone into battle and have backed it each way today  (9's i think is best right now)


incred ride.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on October 08, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
HORSES AND FOOTBALL TODAY!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT 4.05 YORKI spoke to the stable jockey this morning and he said the horse keeps improving at home so they are not to worried about bringing it out only 8 days after its last win, I was concerned as the last time they ran it so quick it bounced a little after the windsor win and gave it a break. However for the followers this horse owes us nothing so as the Jockey said "BACK IT TILL IT LOSES" i have gone into battle and have backed it each way today  (9's i think is best right now)

BRONTERRE  3.10 NEWMARKET
I was told this by someone who said "ITS NOT ORIGINAL BUT..." so iahve availed myself of some money in the PLACE ONLY market on betfair for it to be in the first 3 today.

FOOTBALL
Obv as part of my challenge i am funking for Cheltenham not to lose at home vs Dagenham but i shall be doing a 4 team over 2.5 goals bet on  Scunthorpe/ Wycombe/ Gillingham/ and Morecambe which pays roughly 9/1

Only the top selection is anything but my own so be carefull!!!!



nice one


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on October 08, 2011, 04:10:18 PM
you legend
n1 m8, i owe u a beer

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee   :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 08, 2011, 04:12:19 PM
HORSES AND FOOTBALL TODAY!!

SIRIUS PROSPECT 4.05 YORK
I spoke to the stable jockey this morning and he said the horse keeps improving at home so they are not to worried about bringing it out only 8 days after its last win, I was concerned as the last time they ran it so quick it bounced a little after the windsor win and gave it a break. However for the followers this horse owes us nothing so as the Jockey said "BACK IT TILL IT LOSES" i have gone into battle and have backed it each way today  (9's i think is best right now)


incred ride.

+1 WP.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2011, 04:29:55 PM
Easy game...
If only the poker was.  Been card dead and spot dead since the start, infact if i had a beard like Jason  you would think i was mickey wernick


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 08, 2011, 04:40:53 PM
I love you eso kral xxx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on October 08, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
NOTTINGHAM SO FAR!!

Had a great starting table last night and was gutted to be moved and have to start again but had 18k with 15.5k av, unfortunately the next table was not as easy and had a great spot to 4bet when a nitty player raised utg+2 and the c/o 3bets to 1800 at 150/300. He had 3 bet this guy 3 occasions so i 4 bet to 4150 with the mighty  3h 6h only for the small blind to dwell push all in for 13k total.

At the end of level 150/300/25 i find "The Beltons" to those who dont read his diary this is  Qc Qs and raise to 800 out of 9800 next to act 3bets to 2000 and i 4bet jam to be snapped with  Kc Kh and obv i dont do a get there so back to the hotel it was for an early night so we could get up and watch the rugby.

Back into the fold again today though!!

Mentioned in Eso Kral's diary. Honoured. :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2011, 04:51:36 PM
NOTTINGHAM SO FAR!!

Had a great starting table last night and was gutted to be moved and have to start again but had 18k with 15.5k av, unfortunately the next table was not as easy and had a great spot to 4bet when a nitty player raised utg+2 and the c/o 3bets to 1800 at 150/300. He had 3 bet this guy 3 occasions so i 4 bet to 4150 with the mighty  3h 6h only for the small blind to dwell push all in for 13k total.

At the end of level 150/300/25 i find "The Beltons" to those who dont read his diary this is  Qc Qs and raise to 800 out of 9800 next to act 3bets to 2000 and i 4bet jam to be snapped with  Kc Kh and obv i dont do a get there so back to the hotel it was for an early night so we could get up and watch the rugby.

Back into the fold again today though!!

Mentioned in Eso Kral's diary. Honoured. :)up
Well i think that from now on when anyone posts on pha they should start with ok blinds  are blah blah  i have the beltons...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 08, 2011, 04:59:33 PM
Didn't see the horsey tip in time, congrats to those that did though.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on October 08, 2011, 05:12:27 PM
NOTTINGHAM SO FAR!!

Had a great starting table last night and was gutted to be moved and have to start again but had 18k with 15.5k av, unfortunately the next table was not as easy and had a great spot to 4bet when a nitty player raised utg+2 and the c/o 3bets to 1800 at 150/300. He had 3 bet this guy 3 occasions so i 4 bet to 4150 with the mighty  3h 6h only for the small blind to dwell push all in for 13k total.

At the end of level 150/300/25 i find "The Beltons" to those who dont read his diary this is  Qc Qs and raise to 800 out of 9800 next to act 3bets to 2000 and i 4bet jam to be snapped with  Kc Kh and obv i dont do a get there so back to the hotel it was for an early night so we could get up and watch the rugby.

Back into the fold again today though!!

Mentioned in Eso Kral's diary. Honoured. :)up
Well i think that from now on when anyone posts on pha they should start with ok blinds  are blah blah  i have the beltons...

"get it all in pre and start a diary if you lose."


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 08, 2011, 05:25:55 PM
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink. Eso i facking love you you dancer.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 08, 2011, 05:46:21 PM
Well dOne mate, I assume Sirrus won..i am planning to lick my wounds after....

£300 Bronterre
£100 ew Tuscan Gold
£500 treble Chqrlton, Huddersfield, Wednesday
$2k downswing on stars this week

....and the £1k on Position at 12s

On the bright side I am

A) on the lash in Newcastle
B) Sunday Majors tomorrow
C) GUKPT at Cioventey Friday

Gl to you sir, if still in at DTD, the life of a punter is so hard at times. I'm off to meet a low cost Geordie bird


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: maldini32 on October 08, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
FFS! I didnt switch my laptop on in the morning to get on sirius!

Gaaaaaaah!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 10, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)
Booked as a pirvate side bet   if you win i will bank xfer on monday as in Notts this weekend,  not sure the mods will vouch for me but the Chinese Mafia will!  ;)

PM me your bank details Eso.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 11:05:00 AM
I'll have £20 @ 3.3  on Dag n Red if you want a comm free top up?

I O U £20/U O ME £46.

Bank xfer payment after game, sure a couple of mods would vouch for me if you wanted.

:)
Booked as a pirvate side bet   if you win i will bank xfer on monday as in Notts this weekend,  not sure the mods will vouch for me but the Chinese Mafia will!  ;)

PM me your bank details Eso.
Sent


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 11:09:05 AM
Well dOne mate, I assume Sirrus won..i am planning to lick my wounds after....

£300 Bronterre
£100 ew Tuscan Gold
£500 treble Chqrlton, Huddersfield, Wednesday
$2k downswing on stars this week

....and the £1k on Position at 12s
On the bright side I am

A) on the lash in Newcastle
B) Sunday Majors tomorrow
C) GUKPT at Cioventey Friday

Gl to you sir, if still in at DTD, the life of a punter is so hard at times. I'm off to meet a low cost Geordie bird
Wow tough week, hope your geordie lass was good!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 11:24:26 AM
A BREAK EVEN WEEKEND!!

I suppose its not a bad result when you think i fired 2 bullets at the deepstack, played the £150 y/day, a live sat for the GUKPT this week and a loser on the cricket but i was prepared for all the above even if my horsey tip didnt win.

Day 1b
This was probably the hardest i think i ever had to grind a tourney as was completely card and spt dead for 6 levels and then as we had a 35 min break one of the Southend players said lets go to Nando's to eat so after waiting 10 mins and telling them we only had 20 mins to get food and eat we sat down and had a beer.
20 mins later the food is not out, I am going back with 9000 at 200/400 and the other 2 are happy on 30k plus so wait for their food and i go back  >:(    gutted as was really looking forward to the chicken livers!!

At this point i know that Sirius Prospect has won very well so am free rolling the entire weekend but i was anyway after the wonder horse won last week as well!!

I was determined to to shove too light as i think this has been a failing recently and really picked my spots well but had to make 2 big calls against "The Mad Turk" once with AK high for half my remaining stack when he bluffed the river buthis bet didnt make sense and also when he jammed the button for a similar stack to mine 10k at 400/800 and I held  Aspades 2h and whilst this particular player is entitled to a hand now and again 90% of the time my  Aspades is good here all I needed to do was hold v 7s 9s which was the first time i was over starting stack since the start of the day.

You then start to feel good things will happen and a few jams later i was up to 36k with one level of the day left and was really hoping for a double through to come back mid pack on day 2. Alas it was not meant to be and i only managed to tread water coming back with 38600 (15 bigs)...

Edit - forgot to mention i spent the whole day oop to Steve Jelinek, really nice guy obv we spoke a lot about babies as he has a 3 month old but a few pots against other players with some discussion after the hand was a real insight!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 10, 2011, 11:51:45 AM
ul with the footy, noticed you cruised two and had two 1-1s.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 12:20:59 PM
DAY 2

My table apart from 2 players were all well under average so i had to be really cute on who to pick on!! Unfortunately after winning one pot v Shola we played another when she cold called my late pos raise from the bb and i think i mangled the last 2 streets as when i bluff the river instead of giving up and still having 30k she can never fold her hand the way i played the flop and turn.

This sets up my exit hand as with only 17.5k back and blinds about to go 1500/3000 i jam  Jc Kh mid pos to be flatted by Raj Dhri who had dem Aces!!

Whilst waiting for the £150 to start I sat in the 50/1 cash table and in the hour at the table booked a £180 win, I wish i played live cash more often as have always been a tourney junkie and whenever I play the odd live game i seem to book a win.

So we free rolled the £150 and was on quite a loose table with most splashing the chips around but i built up a nice stack when a min raise in ep was lfatted in 4 spots and we flat with   4s 5s to see an orgasmic flop of  3s 6s 7c the o/r leads for 1k and gets flatted by frankie so we flat behind to get it in on the turn which came  Kh and the o/r bets 1k again with frankie jamming and us calling leaving him drawing to the 9 with his 8/10 off..

I then flopped quads and got paid but came unstuck about 50players out when having seen the guy to my right 3bet the same player 3times i decide to 4b with  Ahrt Th but have to call it off when he jams and again he had dem aces but we flop Kh Kc 2h to give us a sweat for a 50k stack at 400/800 alas no heart dropped on the turn and river so i set off at 6.45 to get home...

Or at least thats where i thought i would go..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 12:22:02 PM
ul with the footy, noticed you cruised two and had two 1-1s.
yeah was close but no cigar, however i have my challenge still going and won 20 off the chip prince   wiiiiiiiiiiiii

next challenge bet up here later!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 10, 2011, 12:27:51 PM
DAY 2

My table apart from 2 players were all well under average so i had to be really cute on who to pick on!! Unfortunately after winning one pot v Shola we played another when she cold called my late pos raise from the bb and i think i mangled the last 2 streets as when i bluff the river instead of giving up and still having 30k she can never fold her hand the way i played the flop and turn.

This sets up my exit hand as with only 17.5k back and blinds about to go 1500/3000 i jam  Jc Kh mid pos to be flatted by Raj Dhri who had dem Aces!!

Whilst waiting for the £150 to start I sat in the 50/1 cash table and in the hour at the table booked a £180 win, I wish i played live cash more often as have always been a tourney junkie and whenever I play the odd live game i seem to book a win.

So we free rolled the £150 and was on quite a loose table with most splashing the chips around but i built up a nice stack when a min raise in ep was lfatted in 4 spots and we flat with   4s 5s to see an orgasmic flop of  3s 6s 7c the o/r leads for 1k and gets flatted by frankie so we flat behind to get it in on the turn which came  Kh and the o/r bets 1k again with frankie jamming and us calling leaving him drawing to the 9 with his 8/10 off..

I then flopped quads and got paid but came unstuck about 50players out when having seen the guy to my right 3bet the same player 3times i decide to 4b with  Ahrt Th but have to call it off when he jams and again he had dem aces but we flop Kh Kc 2h to give us a sweat for a 50k stack at 400/800 alas no heart dropped on the turn and river so i set off at 6.45 to get home...

Or at least thats where i thought i would go..
brilliant. thought this diary had lost a bit of the drama of late. sat waiting now :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on October 10, 2011, 12:38:20 PM
Obviosuly stopped by Coventry and my mystic meg diary prediction is you binked a seat - see you Friday  :dontask:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 12:42:05 PM
THE M1 SOUTH

As i hit the M1 i realised that the traffic is rubbish at this time of night so remembering that there was a £30rebuy 10seat live gtd sat to the main event at Coventry this week decided to take a small detour and see if i could bink a seat and either sell it or get an extra special pass out for this week.

118 players thought the same and with 1500 discs and 3 x 30mins followed by 20min clock it was destined to get shooty, Last of the last 3 hands and i have 3200 and have not rebought so will take the double addon of 3k chips for £30 and the players either side of me who have just lost the last pot and have already negotiated that its best to open raise to 750 and then fold in order to be able to take another rebuy followed by the add on do as they say with the first making it 750 at 1/200.

I jam with Jd Jc and get called for 3 players 1500 with  3s 8s      Ahrt Ks  and  Kd Th and the king on the river sees me come back with 4700 which becomes  10k first level back when i hold 88 v AK and 13k when i win 2 pots without showdown
2 table moves later and I am 2 decent pots away from locking up a seat as i know if i can get to 30-40k this will be plenty even though 50 is whats required, unfortunately the poker gods decided to give me  Aspades Ac in the big blind when a short stack shoves the c/o and the s/b (table c/l) over jams with  6d 6c to flop quads leaving me to drive downs south knowing that Live Poker is soooooooooooo Rigged!!!!

It was a tiring weekend and was glad to hit the sack at 3am this morning for a combined total of 14 hours sleep since friday due to pokerz and getting up to watch the rugby, it was also nice even after 4 hours sleep to get up when Maxwell woke and spend an hour with him before work...

Next live pokerzzz gonna be Luton poss next friday if invited for a meal by Vinny (wont hold my breath) or if not then the monthly £200 before I have a weekend pass out again for DTD in November as Petra and Maxwell are going to Slovakia to see the grandparents and take the Xmas presents over and I dont have any A/L left to take...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 12:43:49 PM
Obviosuly stopped by Coventry and my mystic meg diary prediction is you binked a seat - see you Friday  :dontask:
Half of its right mate..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
100k CHALLENGE

After laying Dagenham on Saturday i have £89.36 to invest on my 3rd bet but i made a mistake and invested my whole betfair balance on the next bet
Luckily it's only £95!!

It's not original but i cannot have Scotland beating Spain this week so £95 wins a measly £5 but the who £100 will be put on the weekend as I know where its going so 3rd bet of the challenge is a LAY of Scotland

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 10, 2011, 02:44:00 PM
A lay for Scotland rather than a win for Spain?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 02:54:07 PM
A lay for Scotland rather than a win for Spain?
slowly slowly catchy monkey boldie, this bullet is all about laying!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Boba Fett on October 10, 2011, 03:51:48 PM
A lay for Scotland rather than a win for Spain?
Its not as clear cut as that you ridic Scotland hater.  Not that I think we will win but itll be our best chance in a long time to take points from them imo.  Cant see them going at it 100%, especially the Barca and Real players who wont wanna get injured in this game.  Its on a smaller pitch in Alicante which favours Scotland and in Charlie Adam we will have the best midfielder on the park.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 10, 2011, 04:00:34 PM
A lay for Scotland rather than a win for Spain?
Its not as clear cut as that you ridic Scotland hater.  Not that I think we will win but itll be our best chance in a long time to take points from them imo.  Cant see them going at it 100%, especially the Barca and Real players who wont wanna get injured in this game.  Its on a smaller pitch in Alicante which favours Scotland and in Charlie Adam we will have the best midfielder on the park.

Nice to see you have some faith in Scotland. I reckon Spain's 2nd or even 3rd team will probably get the result that will prevent Scotland from qualifying.
Scotland have a tendency to mess it up in the final minutes of the final game for this sort of thing and I fully expect them to do the same this time.
If Scotland need a draw they will concede the losing goal in the last 10 minutes of the match and if they need a win they will concede the equaliser in the final 10 minutes of the match...and that's a best case scenario.

I can't see past a Spain win TBH, they simply have too much quality on the pitch and they won't need to go for it 100% to beat Scotland.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on October 10, 2011, 04:41:19 PM
BUT £95 to win a fiver????? in a game that is so crucial to Scotland and nothing more than a pain to Spain


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2011, 04:56:09 PM
BUT £95 to win a fiver????? in a game that is so crucial to Scotland and nothing more than a pain to Spain
I honestly dont see Scotland getting a win out of the match so its like walking down the street and seeing a fiver on the floor, what you gonna do walk past it and think "its only a fiver!"
Plus i want to get to 3 figures for the next selection, even long odds on shots represent value and unfortunately this is not the last of the bets but early on in my challenge as if it was the £95k to win £5k i would still do it!!

Obv for all my scottish readers (except Vinny) i hope Scotland draw and the Czech's only draw as well.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 10, 2011, 05:01:21 PM
Despite the fact they constantly hate on us in every single sport we play I hope Scotland get there.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 10, 2011, 05:06:51 PM
Due to the fact they constantly hate on us in every single sport we play I hope Scotland get bummed.

fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 10, 2011, 06:07:41 PM
LOL at Scotland getting anything but humped tomorrow. Anything less than 3-0 to Spain, then they should sack their manager.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 10, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
LOL at Scotland getting anything but humped tomorrow. Anything less than 3-0 to Spain, then they should sack their manager.

Obv this, just like obv Boba was on the level with his Adam comment, if Spain put there 3rd midfield out he still won't be best player on the pitch. Only hope is the Czech's losing.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on October 10, 2011, 06:39:16 PM
This diary was going so well.  ;madasahatstand;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 10, 2011, 07:36:08 PM
Draw Draw for me.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 10:46:49 AM
THE PROPERTY MARKET'S UPS N DOWNS!!

It's a funny old game!!
Came back from the weekend to find one deal teetering on the edge of collapse but the potential of 4-5 deals being put together, then i checked the daily sales log for the other offices to see that Leigh on Sea have sold £46'000k of fees Nett in 1 week which is an unbelievable result although i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN

Had a day off yesterday as Petra had a minor op done so needed to be with Maxwell for the day which was nice we had a few walks and played on the floor whilst Late night poker was on Sky+, Max didnt seem too bothered about the final hand with Fullflush vs Romanello but it was great TV!!

Back to work today and see that we tied up 2 deals yesterday and hopefully will get another 2 tied up today  :) we really need a good push on sales to the end of the year to give us a good pipeline of business going into 2012 as in our game if you can break even or show a profit in the 1st QTR it normally sets you up for a good year...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 12, 2011, 10:53:06 AM
i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN


Get me a mortgage for 2.2mill and I'll get you your nice fee mate...Sorted.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 10:55:09 AM
100K Challenge

Were up to £99.76 now to invest after Scotland held on for a full 5mins last night, I have already put my bet up on betfair just waiting for the full amount to be matched before putting up on here!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN


Get me a mortgage for 2.2mill and I'll get you your nice fee mate...Sorted.
They are buying it cash!! Just sold some business for 60 million  WAL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 12, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN


Get me a mortgage for 2.2mill and I'll get you your nice fee mate...Sorted.
They are buying it cash!! Just sold some business for 60 million  WAL

I'm in the wrong business.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN


Get me a mortgage for 2.2mill and I'll get you your nice fee mate...Sorted.
They are buying it cash!! Just sold some business for 60 million  WAL

I'm in the wrong business.
What's that then??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 12, 2011, 11:36:01 AM
i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN


Get me a mortgage for 2.2mill and I'll get you your nice fee mate...Sorted.
They are buying it cash!! Just sold some business for 60 million  WAL

I'm in the wrong business.
What's that then??

Telecomms..no money left in this business :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 02:04:03 PM
100K CHALLENGE

BULLET 3  BET 4

Laying Exeter at home vs Huddersfield!!

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£99.73 staked to win £25.02 before comm

got lays 5 and 6 sorted for weekend as well subject to this one coming in!! (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/bet4.png/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on October 12, 2011, 02:19:09 PM
My estate agent is developing (should be finished xmass) a website that he says all estate agents will wont to use as a tool for selling houses. He wont go into specifics yet (erm like I am going to copy it!?) but he says it has the potential to make loads after getting all estate agents to sign up and pay monthly subs for it. Like £50 £40 £30 depending on the level you choose, wtf could it be? he says its pretty simple and some company in India knocking it out for him. He was complaining about the costs of right move going up, do you use this and the other similar sites to market your properties?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Bongo on October 12, 2011, 02:25:15 PM
Isn't the problem getting most estate agents to sign up and competing with the big boys marketing budget?

I have a friend who's an estate agent and he didn't think it was worthwhile developing anything in that area... I was thinking of the system running all office admin as well all the websites etc too.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 02:35:05 PM
Isn't the problem getting most estate agents to sign up and competing with the big boys marketing budget?

I have a friend who's an estate agent and he didn't think it was worthwhile developing anything in that area... I was thinking of the system running all office admin as well all the websites etc too.
^^ This 
I cant see every agent going for it as to get people to committ you need to prove hits etc and Rightmove have had that market locked up for years and the smaller property portals hits have never even got close, infact the closest is the newest one ZOOPLA and people like that due to the add ons like valuations and it being a bit more forum like but even this gets a 3rd of the monthly hits on Rightmove.

Plus everyones on rightmove so when a potential vendor says are you on the biggest portal, it puts you on the back foot if your not.

There are loads of Admin related software stuff out there we use something called encorelive and once you input the client all your letters are only ever a click away so we dont have secretaries now and dont need them, estate agency has changed now and unless you are a FEE earner your days are numbered!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 12, 2011, 02:39:52 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 12, 2011, 02:53:46 PM
My estate agent is developing (should be finished xmass) a website that he says all estate agents will wont to use as a tool for selling houses. He wont go into specifics yet (erm like I am going to copy it!?) but he says it has the potential to make loads after getting all estate agents to sign up and pay monthly subs for it. Like £50 £40 £30 depending on the level you choose, wtf could it be? he says its pretty simple and some company in India knocking it out for him. He was complaining about the costs of right move going up, do you use this and the other similar sites to market your properties?

Building the website could be the simplest part of this being a success.  Has he considered the marketing costs for PR, SEO, advertising, etc., to both estate agents and to the end user as well?  Not saying it can't be done, but it's a bloody tough market to try and join - especially if he's going after the mass-market and reliant upon getting most/all estate agents signed up.

I've been working with clients in the automotive industry trying to do something very similar and eat into the dominance of AutoTrader.  There's certainly money to be had for small and agile businesses that have some know-how and approach it in a different way (and don't try to replace Autotrader, but try to be an additional channel for dealers) - but for every one that succeeds there are plenty who fall by the wayside.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on October 12, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
My estate agent is developing (should be finished xmass) a website that he says all estate agents will wont to use as a tool for selling houses. He wont go into specifics yet (erm like I am going to copy it!?) but he says it has the potential to make loads after getting all estate agents to sign up and pay monthly subs for it. Like £50 £40 £30 depending on the level you choose, wtf could it be? he says its pretty simple and some company in India knocking it out for him. He was complaining about the costs of right move going up, do you use this and the other similar sites to market your properties?

Building the website could be the simplest part of this being a success.  Has he considered the marketing costs for PR, SEO, advertising, etc., to both estate agents and to the end user as well?  Not saying it can't be done, but it's a bloody tough market to try and join - especially if he's going after the mass-market and reliant upon getting most/all estate agents signed up.

I've been working with clients in the automotive industry trying to do something very similar and eat into the dominance of AutoTrader.  There's certainly money to be had for small and agile businesses that have some know-how and approach it in a different way (and don't try to replace Autotrader, but try to be an additional channel for dealers) - but for every one that succeeds there are plenty who fall by the wayside.

He wouldn't tell me much until its done! so I cant really answer these :( he sold my house in two weeks so hes good.

He did mention that he will offer free signups etc to hook estate agents in, but tbh baby was crying and i wasnt listening.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


Well our officecost over 50k to do a full refurb so it depends on which end of the market you are going to aim at but an average agents monthly cost if you put in staff advertisisng etc down South would be minimum 13-15k if you have a manager and 2 staff so if your average sale price is£150k up North and you manage an av fee of 1.5% each deal is worth 2250 plus vat so you need to contract 6-7 houses per month to break even which means you need to sell 9-10 per month as whatever the market conditions 1/3 sales fall through.

If yo combine that with lettings where you get 5-8% management fee on an average rent of say £500 up North thats £40 per prop per month it will take a long time before you have over 100 lets and really would want 300-400 plus you need seperate staff for both for it to really work!!

I would not set up now even if my 100k challenge came off!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
He wouldn't tell me much until its done! so I cant really answer these :( he sold my house in two weeks so hes good. very good at getting customers to put their houses on at under the market level and selling them to his friends who also pay him in a brown envelope!!He did mention that he will offer free signups etc to hook estate agents in, but tbh baby was crying and i wasnt listening.
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FYP
Seriously though i cant see any website coming up that can rival Rightmoves hits so whilst we may take a free trial we would defo not pay a penny unless it got me the 10-15 enq per day rightmove does!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 12, 2011, 03:10:31 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


Well our officecost over 50k to do a full refurb so it depends on which end of the market you are going to aim at but an average agents monthly cost if you put in staff advertisisng etc down South would be minimum 13-15k if you have a manager and 2 staff so if your average sale price is£150k up North and you manage an av fee of 1.5% each deal is worth 2250 plus vat so you need to contract 6-7 houses per month to break even which means you need to sell 9-10 per month as whatever the market conditions 1/3 sales fall through.

If yo combine that with lettings where you get 5-8% management fee on an average rent of say £500 up North thats £40 per prop per month it will take a long time before you have over 100 lets and really would want 300-400 plus you need seperate staff for both for it to really work!!

I would not set up now even if my 100k challenge came off!!

haha. nice one. Yea that was my gut reaction, which i went with. Now when i bink all the UKOPS events i will do something else with my cut.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on October 12, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
He wouldn't tell me much until its done! so I cant really answer these :( he sold my house in two weeks so hes good. very good at getting customers to put their houses on at under the market level and selling them to his friends who also pay him in a brown envelope!!He did mention that he will offer free signups etc to hook estate agents in, but tbh baby was crying and i wasnt listening.

FYP
Seriously though i cant see any website coming up that can rival Rightmoves hits so whilst we may take a free trial we would defo not pay a penny unless it got me the 10-15 enq per day rightmove does!!
[/quote]

Quoting hell, but never mind.

Rich - what if a new service could offer you 5 enquiries a day, and cost (for argument's sake) £50 a month?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on October 12, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
He wouldn't tell me much until its done! so I cant really answer these :( he sold my house in two weeks so hes good. very good at getting customers to put their houses on at under the market level and selling them to his friends who also pay him in a brown envelope!!He did mention that he will offer free signups etc to hook estate agents in, but tbh baby was crying and i wasnt listening.

FYP
Seriously though i cant see any website coming up that can rival Rightmoves hits so whilst we may take a free trial we would defo not pay a penny unless it got me the 10-15 enq per day rightmove does!!
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We told him the price we wanted, which was the ceailing for these houses. 20k more then all the others said it would get...if yer houses good + staged right they will come!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on October 12, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


i would swerve this idea....

most forces live in barracks,

married live in the pads estate (houses owned by mod rented to married couples)

most would not be

1. not be able to afford private rent
2.not be able to afford to buy.
3.could not be bothered to buy if they could afford it.
4.preffer to live around /be with other army couples/family's.

only my opinion from experience.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Boba Fett on October 12, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
THE PROPERTY MARKET'S UPS N DOWNS!!

It's a funny old game!!
Came back from the weekend to find one deal teetering on the edge of collapse but the potential of 4-5 deals being put together, then i checked the daily sales log for the other offices to see that Leigh on Sea have sold £46'000k of fees Nett in 1 week which is an unbelievable result although i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN

Had a day off yesterday as Petra had a minor op done so needed to be with Maxwell for the day which was nice we had a few walks and played on the floor whilst Late night poker was on Sky+, Max didnt seem too bothered about the final hand with Fullflush vs Romanello but it was great TV!!

Back to work today and see that we tied up 2 deals yesterday and hopefully will get another 2 tied up today  :) we really need a good push on sales to the end of the year to give us a good pipeline of business going into 2012 as in our game if you can break even or show a profit in the 1st QTR it normally sets you up for a good year...
Pics of new boobs plz


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 05:54:17 PM
He wouldn't tell me much until its done! so I cant really answer these :( he sold my house in two weeks so hes good. very good at getting customers to put their houses on at under the market level and selling them to his friends who also pay him in a brown envelope!!He did mention that he will offer free signups etc to hook estate agents in, but tbh baby was crying and i wasnt listening.

FYP
Seriously though i cant see any website coming up that can rival Rightmoves hits so whilst we may take a free trial we would defo not pay a penny unless it got me the 10-15 enq per day rightmove does!!

Quoting hell, but never mind.

Rich - what if a new service could offer you 5 enquiries a day, and cost (for argument's sake) £50 a month?
[/quote]
Daniel - well time would tell  eg we have just tried find a property on a 3 month basis at £25 per month but if not we will gladly come off this also    TBH its a bit like the newspapers and if the other agents stopped advertising i would come out of it as you get naff all enq but i i stopped myself they would all use it against you when presenting to potential vendors!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 12, 2011, 05:55:25 PM
THE PROPERTY MARKET'S UPS N DOWNS!!

It's a funny old game!!
Came back from the weekend to find one deal teetering on the edge of collapse but the potential of 4-5 deals being put together, then i checked the daily sales log for the other offices to see that Leigh on Sea have sold £46'000k of fees Nett in 1 week which is an unbelievable result although i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN

Had a day off yesterday as Petra had a minor op done so needed to be with Maxwell for the day which was nice we had a few walks and played on the floor whilst Late night poker was on Sky+, Max didnt seem too bothered about the final hand with Fullflush vs Romanello but it was great TV!!

Back to work today and see that we tied up 2 deals yesterday and hopefully will get another 2 tied up today  :) we really need a good push on sales to the end of the year to give us a good pipeline of business going into 2012 as in our game if you can break even or show a profit in the 1st QTR it normally sets you up for a good year...
Pics of new boobs plz
Lolz  obv your account was hacked via Celtic!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 12, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
THE PROPERTY MARKET'S UPS N DOWNS!!

It's a funny old game!!
Came back from the weekend to find one deal teetering on the edge of collapse but the potential of 4-5 deals being put together, then i checked the daily sales log for the other offices to see that Leigh on Sea have sold £46'000k of fees Nett in 1 week which is an unbelievable result although i suppose it helps when you sell something at 2.2million and get a fee of 1.25%  MBN

Had a day off yesterday as Petra had a minor op done so needed to be with Maxwell for the day which was nice we had a few walks and played on the floor whilst Late night poker was on Sky+, Max didnt seem too bothered about the final hand with Fullflush vs Romanello but it was great TV!!

Back to work today and see that we tied up 2 deals yesterday and hopefully will get another 2 tied up today  :) we really need a good push on sales to the end of the year to give us a good pipeline of business going into 2012 as in our game if you can break even or show a profit in the 1st QTR it normally sets you up for a good year...
Pics of new boobs plz
Lolz  obv your account was hacked via Celtic!!

Will PM you the photos Fett.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 12, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


i would swerve this idea....

most forces live in barracks,

married live in the pads estate (houses owned by mod rented to married couples)

most would not be

1. not be able to afford private rent
2.not be able to afford to buy.
3.could not be bothered to buy if they could afford it.
4.preffer to live around /be with other army couples/family's.

only my opinion from experience.

I did swerve the idea but more due to property market as opposed to the forces. Disagree with a fair bit of what you said.

My dad did 26 yrs in the Army, in the 16 yrs he was in we always had a house and rented it out whilst living on the patch. When i was in i had a house which i lived in, now I'm out i live on the patch with my missus and rent a house.
Living on the patch at £200 a month including council tax, people should be able to afford to knock a deposit together imo.
I lived in a place called Branston dubbed Raf Branston due to the amount of forces who live there (about 80% forces personnel), its not like the old days when people pissed their wages up the wall. I see young people joining up and renting/buying straight away instead of living the block life.
Some people undoubtedly will enjoy living and getting involved with other couples etc majority i know certainly don't.
 
Certainly was different back in the day but there has been a massive change in mind set. This could just be the RAF, Lincs or my trade in particular. (i was in intelligence don't you know) But who knows.

Only from my experience of course. The fact remains it was a shit idea and glad i didn't see it through. Especially since Eso put figures to the thoughts. Yikes! Will keep my office job and continue to keep my eyes open for opportunities.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 12, 2011, 07:40:43 PM
I did swerve the idea but more due to property market as opposed to the forces. Disagree with a fair bit of what you said.

My dad did 26 yrs in the Army, in the 16 yrs he was in we always had a house and rented it out whilst living on the patch. When i was in i had a house which i lived in, now I'm out i live on the patch with my missus and rent a house.
Living on the patch at £200 a month including council tax, people should be able to afford to knock a deposit together imo.
I lived in a place called Branston dubbed Raf Branston due to the amount of forces who live there (about 80% forces personnel), its not like the old days when people pissed their wages up the wall. I see young people joining up and renting/buying straight away instead of living the block life.
Some people undoubtedly will enjoy living and getting involved with other couples etc majority i know certainly don't.
 
Certainly was different back in the day but there has been a massive change in mind set. This could just be the RAF, Lincs or my trade in particular. (i was in intelligence don't you know) But who knows.

Only from my experience of course. The fact remains it was a shit idea and glad i didn't see it through. Especially since Eso put figures to the thoughts. Yikes! Will keep my office job and continue to keep my eyes open for opportunities.

Think it must have been the generation after I was at Chicksands because in 2002 operation smashed was in full force. Everyone was still ironing all their dough out in Mission and that dodgy club across the road from the Litten Tree :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 12, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
I did swerve the idea but more due to property market as opposed to the forces. Disagree with a fair bit of what you said.

My dad did 26 yrs in the Army, in the 16 yrs he was in we always had a house and rented it out whilst living on the patch. When i was in i had a house which i lived in, now I'm out i live on the patch with my missus and rent a house.
Living on the patch at £200 a month including council tax, people should be able to afford to knock a deposit together imo.
I lived in a place called Branston dubbed Raf Branston due to the amount of forces who live there (about 80% forces personnel), its not like the old days when people pissed their wages up the wall. I see young people joining up and renting/buying straight away instead of living the block life.
Some people undoubtedly will enjoy living and getting involved with other couples etc majority i know certainly don't.
 
Certainly was different back in the day but there has been a massive change in mind set. This could just be the RAF, Lincs or my trade in particular. (i was in intelligence don't you know) But who knows.

Only from my experience of course. The fact remains it was a shit idea and glad i didn't see it through. Especially since Eso put figures to the thoughts. Yikes! Will keep my office job and continue to keep my eyes open for opportunities.

Think it must have been the generation after I was at Chicksands because in 2002 operation smashed was in full force. Everyone was still ironing all their dough out in Mission and that dodgy club across the road from the Litten Tree :D

Haha, no shit! i was one of em. Litten tree, the place above KFC! i waited 5yrs til i got my gaff when everyone else stopped going out.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 12, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


i would swerve this idea....

most forces live in barracks,

married live in the pads estate (houses owned by mod rented to married couples)

most would not be

1. not be able to afford private rent
2.not be able to afford to buy.

3.could not be bothered to buy if they could afford it.
4.preffer to live around /be with other army couples/family's.

only my opinion from experience.
i'm not able to not understand this ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 12, 2011, 08:30:27 PM
I have a friend who likes to think he deals with new business ideas and he told me I should start up an estate agents primarily dealing with Forces in the Midlands area as a lot of them like to rent or often buy in the area and end up selling up and moving on every 3 years or so. I just laughed in his face and said don't be ridic.

Is this idea as bad as i think it is? and how much would i need to get it off the ground?


i would swerve this idea....

most forces live in barracks,

married live in the pads estate (houses owned by mod rented to married couples)

most would not be

1. not be able to afford private rent
2.not be able to afford to buy.
3.could not be bothered to buy if they could afford it.
4.preffer to live around /be with other army couples/family's.

only my opinion from experience.

I did swerve the idea but more due to property market as opposed to the forces. Disagree with a fair bit of what you said.

My dad did 26 yrs in the Army, in the 16 yrs he was in we always had a house and rented it out whilst living on the patch. When i was in i had a house which i lived in, now I'm out i live on the patch with my missus and rent a house.
Living on the patch at £200 a month including council tax, people should be able to afford to knock a deposit together imo.
I lived in a place called Branston dubbed Raf Branston due to the amount of forces who live there (about 80% forces personnel), its not like the old days when people pissed their wages up the wall. I see young people joining up and renting/buying straight away instead of living the block life.
Some people undoubtedly will enjoy living and getting involved with other couples etc majority i know certainly don't.
 
Certainly was different back in the day but there has been a massive change in mind set. This could just be the RAF, Lincs or my trade in particular. (i was in intelligence don't you know) But who knows.

Only from my experience of course. The fact remains it was a shit idea and glad i didn't see it through. Especially since Eso put figures to the thoughts. Yikes! Will keep my office job and continue to keep my eyes open for opportunities.

FWIW from an ex infantryman of 23 years and settled within a large Garrison area:

Times have changed and without the current markets being what they are, there may be a little merit in the idea tbh.

I'll use the Scottish Infantry as an example.

Until the last round of amalgamations we had individual regiments, all based in different areas and would move approx every 3 years.

The amalgamtion produced one large Royal Regiment of Scotland, divided into 5 regular Battallions (1-5 Scots)

Each Battallion is now permanantly based (Edinburgh, Penicuik, Inverness, Fallingbostel and Canterbury) These units will not move from these garrisons, however individual soldiers can elect to cross post from one to another.

Young soldiers, on the whole, are more savvy than us old school "get paid, piss it up within the first weekend and be skint for the remainder of the month" types.

Young people now recognise the importance of getting onto the property market as early as possible. I live in an area where there are 3 barracks occupied by 1 Scots, 2 Scots and 3rd Rifles. Whilst each barracks has an allocated "patch" of married quarters I have many neighbours from these regiments who have felt it better to purchase or rent properties in the surrounding area.

I would imagine it may be the same in other Garrison areas.

When the markets do pick up again, I would imagine it may well be profitable to chase the military buyers/renters, however wouldn't rely solely on this as a business plan.

Geo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on October 13, 2011, 08:09:55 AM
Sounds like things have changed I honestly can't remember one single guy who rented or bought outside of military issue!

I remember as a private soldier having just enough money to see me thru the first two weeks of the month..
Sounds Like everything might of changed!

I was not knocking the idea for the sake of it just remembering what it was like when I was in Warminster for instance


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2011, 11:58:14 AM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 13, 2011, 12:12:57 PM
if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.

Lolz, class!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2011, 01:47:34 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2011, 02:01:45 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2011, 02:10:25 PM
JUST BUMPED INTO...

Should start a new thread

I have just bumped into JOSH GOULD in our little broadway, and i have not seen him for a few years when we played a festival event at the "Westcliff Casino" Josh bust out early but Nicky "Cod Meharly" Evans chopped it up knocking most of the players bandy with his play.

JOSH is a nice guy and his family are massively shrewd in the business front some people around here may say sharp practice but they are just vvvvvv clever.

He told me he was on his way to a private club in London for a live cash game with loads of rich London business type fish and then went "Nomnomnomnomonom"

MBN


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.

I'm saying they did understand it though, but that still didn't motivate them to think to put a £100 on as well because they'd be devvd if they lost so they don't think it's worth the risk regardless of the price. It's a pretty similar concept to how much would you wager if someone offered you odds on the flip of a coin, people will say there net ofc but if it really happened I doubt many would actually do it, unless there a sicko like you, everyone has there limit. I reckon if you went into a pub and asked every person in the bar if they wanted to flip a coin and you'd give them 2/1 for £100 not many people would do it, and you'd look like a bit of a cock.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.

I'm saying they did understand it though, but that still didn't motivate them to think to put a £100 on as well because they'd be devvd if they lost so they don't think it's worth the risk regardless of the price. It's a pretty similar concept to how much would you wager if someone offered you odds on the flip of a coin, people will say there net ofc but if it really happened I doubt many would actually do it, unless there a sicko like you, everyone has there limit. I reckon if you went into a pub and asked every person in the bar if they wanted to flip a coin and you'd give them 2/1 for £100 not many people would do it, and you'd look like a bit of a cock.
doh, have you been out with me before??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2011, 02:23:00 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.

I'm saying they did understand it though, but that still didn't motivate them to think to put a £100 on as well because they'd be devvd if they lost so they don't think it's worth the risk regardless of the price. It's a pretty similar concept to how much would you wager if someone offered you odds on the flip of a coin, people will say there net ofc but if it really happened I doubt many would actually do it, unless there a sicko like you, everyone has there limit. I reckon if you went into a pub and asked every person in the bar if they wanted to flip a coin and you'd give them 2/1 for £100 not many people would do it, and you'd look like a bit of a cock.
doh, have you been out with me before??

Haha.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on October 13, 2011, 02:28:20 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.

I'm saying they did understand it though, but that still didn't motivate them to think to put a £100 on as well because they'd be devvd if they lost so they don't think it's worth the risk regardless of the price. It's a pretty similar concept to how much would you wager if someone offered you odds on the flip of a coin, people will say there net ofc but if it really happened I doubt many would actually do it, unless there a sicko like you, everyone has there limit. I reckon if you went into a pub and asked every person in the bar if they wanted to flip a coin and you'd give them 2/1 for £100 not many people would do it, and you'd look like a bit of a cock.

Can you let me know which pubs you drink in please.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2011, 02:29:52 PM
ANOTHER 2 DEALS DONE YESTERDAY!!

Whoop Whoop The deals I thought would come together did so were now half way towards our self imposed target of £30k Nett Sales for the month despit losing 2 deals worth £6200 total, NO BOOM just some hard work gone into getting the deals put together.

Were still negging a further 3 deals which need a bit of TLC but should come together early next week, it really shows you how easy it was from 2000-2007 when you could have anyone in an office earning good money as buyers would ring up - view that evening - be phoning you at 8am the next morning to make their full asking price offer - job done.

Now it can take a week to tie up a deal and if you ever sell anything at asking price you question if the buyer is all there...

Oh just 1 bet yesterday and had a nifty on Redarmi's Tranmere tip on BF   oi oi ship the £150, if you want to lose a very small amount or break even on the year defo follow his diary if you want to win the world   follow mine.
Seriously though it just goes to show the difference between a pro-punter and a punter in terms of the thought process he goes through as most people back something if they fancy it as opposed to the price being 10% wrong!!

This was something I learned on here mostly from The Camel's posts. I don't know what the right price's should be though as most punter's don't, but my last two decent sized bets have been on games where bet365 have done that offer of betting pre match and getting the equivalent in running, both times I've won but if I'd lost I wouldn't have been bothered as it was the right bet to make. I explained this to my Dad and a few others and although everyone of them agreed none of them got on, as they'd be gutted if they lost.
Oh yeah peeps who dont understand it would be devved to lose the first bet let alone the free one, very interesting though to follow the process.

I'm saying they did understand it though, but that still didn't motivate them to think to put a £100 on as well because they'd be devvd if they lost so they don't think it's worth the risk regardless of the price. It's a pretty similar concept to how much would you wager if someone offered you odds on the flip of a coin, people will say there net ofc but if it really happened I doubt many would actually do it, unless there a sicko like you, everyone has there limit. I reckon if you went into a pub and asked every person in the bar if they wanted to flip a coin and you'd give them 2/1 for £100 not many people would do it, and you'd look like a bit of a cock.

Can you let me know which pubs you drink in please.

LOL, you disagree ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on October 13, 2011, 02:31:04 PM
If you let me know where you drink and ask the question when I'm there I'll prove you wrong.  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2011, 02:34:20 PM
If you let me know where you drink and ask the question when I'm there I'll prove you wrong.  ;)

Jolly Bowman, Battle Hill, Wallsend, see you there, lmk in advance as I'm not in there everyday, honest.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
JUST A FANCY NOT A TIP!!

I have had a very small each way interest in LUTINE BELL at 37/1 on B/F this afternoon due to the fact it finished close up to SIRIUS PROSPECT a few runs back and has better ground imo opinion today than its last couple of runs.

My only other bet as i dont fancy much on footie today is a £30 acca on over 2.5 goals on  Chelsea/Derby/Chesterfield/Leyton Orient/Walsall/Barnet and Southend which returns £1500

Obv i am funking for Exeter not to win today as the 4th bet in my challenge and have 2 lays for tomorrow lined up if this wins.



I have had permission to grow a tache from the boss at home and at work for MOVEMBER so will update this further in the next 24 hours...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 15, 2011, 04:16:34 PM
Where's it running?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2011, 04:18:03 PM
Where's it running?
4.45 Ascot


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on October 15, 2011, 04:45:39 PM
what a life being able to grow a moustache.

cant wait till i grow up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
what a life being able to grow a moustache.

cant wait till i grow up
Lol thought of u when i posted,  we will let u start now for next Movember if you like?  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on October 15, 2011, 06:25:49 PM
Where's it running?

don't think it did run, i think it walked :D   finished 21st



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2011, 10:17:01 PM
100K CHALLENGE!!

BULLET 3  BET 5

After Huddersfield smashed Exeter today were upto £124.06 for the next lay which is NEWCASTLE  v Spurs tomorrow which wins £57.70 before comm and if this lay is successful my next selection is a lay in a european match tomorrow night!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 16, 2011, 12:03:36 AM
Oioi I might jump on this tomorrow at 1/2 the stake for a sweat in the afternoon while I'm grinding


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 16, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
100K Challenge

Cant post screen shot as posting from phone whilst got 14 round for afternoon and evening but after Spurs did the job not losing today were now up to £179.40

So Bet 6 on bullet 3 is

LAY LORIENT away to Rennes tonight at 8pm which returns a further 46 before comm and should get us to around 224 to play with this week!!

Lets gogogogogogogo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 10:09:40 AM
100K CHALLENGE!

Rennes who historically are vv strong at home won 2 - 0 so the balance after comm stands at £223.24 so i shall be studying up to find something for midweek or wait till the weekend...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
14 FOR LUNCH!!

Had a really good weekend as a couple of times a year the only relly's on my Dads side get together for a meal normally at their families home in Leighton Buzzard but this time we offered to host it and Petra decided the theme would be an authentic Slovak day so she prepared a menu and we got all the ingredients we dont have from the "Slovak Shop" in Westcliff and from Saturday morning Petra was busy prepping for everyone including 2 veggies and 2 kids.

She did amazingly well and when i got in from work on Saturday helped her by taking Maxwell and Bentley for a long walk before bathtime then doing some of the prep with her and cleaning up till we finished at 10pm, Sunday went really well and it was good to see everyone and they all enjoyed the food with traditional Slovak beer which was followed by a 2 hour walk along the sea front.

I love living by the sea even through the winter nothing beats a stroll with the dog letting him run on the beach in the fresh air!!!

Also luckboxed my way to a win overall in sports betting the weekend after my horse fancy ran down the track and a small footie investment didnt return anything i realised at 11pm last night that after reading the NFL blog on B Tips and Sport Disc and seeing Kukushkins well thought out post that i had placed a £35 acca on his 4 more matches mentioned under total points and had a sweat in the 3rd match as with 4 mins to go could not afford any more points to be scored,  oi oi ship the £466  :)  gonna place a few quid on o horse each way today!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on October 17, 2011, 10:30:53 AM
What does authentic Slovak dinner consist of mate?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 17, 2011, 10:37:43 AM
What horse u punting on?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 17, 2011, 10:42:54 AM
Note to self, must try harder to understand the NFL thread. nice one!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:16:28 AM
MOVEMBER

Ok if you look in "The Lounge" forum and find the MOVEMBER thread Greekstein has promised that if the thread raises £2k or more then "he will dye his hair PINK and have a Mohawk with the remainder shaved off completely!!

Im defo doing this and have set up a blonde team (see link)

http://mobro.co/Blondepoker (http://mobro.co/Blondepoker)

So come on and join me, all you need to do is register and join the team which is The Blondeites and all the donations should show on the team page.
Lets see how many people we can get to join and surely £2k between say 10 of us is really easlily achieveable to rub Greeky's smug grin off his face

Who is up for it?  If not and you wish to donate please post ITT


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
What horse u punting on?
DONT BACK THIS ONE AS ITS ON THE SLIDE

Had £25 each way at a variety of prices on PERFECT PASTIME   5.10 Pontefract   only a personal choice that i think 5f will suit this horse the way it ran last time!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 17, 2011, 11:29:43 AM
What horse u punting on?
DONT BACK THIS ONE AS ITS ON THE SLIDE

Had £25 each way at a variety of prices on PERFECT PASTIME   5.10 Pontefract   only a personal choice that i think 5f will suit this horse the way it ran last time!!

Lol. Love how the bets now come with a warning! good enough for your money, good enough for ours!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:31:34 AM
What does authentic Slovak dinner consist of mate?
Well it started with 2 soups (one vegetarian) made from scratch a vegetable one and then a Goulash type soup

Followed by Chicken and Pork Schnitzel's which are egg soaked and breadcrumb dipped before being fried or baked and served with a potato salad made with mayo peas gherkins and chopped boiled egg

2 cakes were baked one called  Babovka which is a chocolate spunge and a fresh fruit spunge cake

then after the walk a platter of

Slovak Bread with a choice of 3 homemade pastes

A Goats cheese butter and chive mix

Cheese and Garlic

A different cheese and butter and spice mix
served with chopped tomatoes and peppers

She is a really good cook as it's kind of passed on from your mum and as Slovakia is not a rich country thier dishes are basically using every bit of the joint you can to make soups or other dishes and their traditional xmas dinner is Carp fish which is served on the 24th December so i get 2 Xmas lunches
Nomnomnomnomnom


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
Note to self, must try harder to understand the NFL thread. nice one!
I dont understand it just look at who knows what they are talking about and follow and when someone start posting weather forecasts I took it a bit more serious  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:33:52 AM
What horse u punting on?
DONT BACK THIS ONE AS ITS ON THE SLIDE

Had £25 each way at a variety of prices on PERFECT PASTIME   5.10 Pontefract   only a personal choice that i think 5f will suit this horse the way it ran last time!!

Lol. Love how the bets now come with a warning! good enough for your money, good enough for ours!
yeah but i am using some freeroll moniezzz from NFL so when i see it slide on BF i think oi oi


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2011, 11:49:08 AM
I love Schnitzels...does she make them with paprika in the breadcrumbs?

BTW, goulash recipe please. (Yes, I could google it but I wouldn't get the real thing and I can't buy it in the heimwee winkel (homesick shop)...looked for it last week :( )


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 11:56:00 AM
I love Schnitzels...does she make them with paprika in the breadcrumbs?   Oh yeah!!

BTW, goulash recipe please. (Yes, I could google it but I wouldn't get the real thing and I can't buy it in the heimwee winkel (homesick shop)...looked for it last week :( )
Will pm you later or Petra will anyway  ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on October 17, 2011, 12:24:26 PM
hi hero, i emailed you on the petra email you once used last week.

laying nucarstle though? u mad bro?-


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 17, 2011, 12:26:27 PM
Note to self, must try harder to understand the NFL thread. nice one!
I dont understand it just look at who knows what they are talking about and follow and when someone start posting weather forecasts I took it a bit more serious  ;)

Haha I was exactly the same, once I saw the 'possible storms coming in' I was onto that like a shot!!

I had to play a bit more cautiously and do it as 4x trebles plus the acca. I've had far too many accas go down because one game stiff me, still I cleared more than I though at just over 400 for my £50.

Hopefully I can spin up a Thailand trip between all the shrewd advicec floating about atm :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 12:55:07 PM
hi hero, i emailed you on the petra email you once used last week.

laying nucarstle though? u mad bro?-
Ok BITB will look at in a mo

Laying the stripes was the correct call y/day but obv i think they will win the league this year then champs league then world cup obv


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
Note to self, must try harder to understand the NFL thread. nice one!
I dont understand it just look at who knows what they are talking about and follow and when someone start posting weather forecasts I took it a bit more serious  ;)

Haha I was exactly the same, once I saw the 'possible storms coming in' I was onto that like a shot!!

I had to play a bit more cautiously and do it as 4x trebles plus the acca. I've had far too many accas go down because one game stiff me, still I cleared more than I though at just over 400 for my £50.

Hopefully I can spin up a Thailand trip between all the shrewd advicec floating about atm :D
You mean Redarmi's diary then?

Yeah i thought about the 4 trebles bet but cba as it didnt pay a lot for one treble so an acca was in oreder  winner winner


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: gatso on October 17, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
their traditional xmas dinner is Carp fish which is served on the 24th December so i get 2 Xmas lunches
Nomnomnomnomnom

do you do this the authentic way with a live carp kept in the bathtub 'til just before it's cooked?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
their traditional xmas dinner is Carp fish which is served on the 24th December so i get 2 Xmas lunches
Nomnomnomnomnom

do you do this the authentic way with a live carp kept in the bathtub 'til just before it's cooked?
When we are back in Slovakia for Xmas yes it gets caught from a lake a few days before then to clean it out they leave it in the bath till the 23rd!!
Good knowledge Gatso by far the wisest owl on here.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 17, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
Hopefully I can spin up a Thailand trip between all the shrewd advicec floating about atm :D
You mean Redarmi's diary then?



Yeah i thought about the 4 trebles bet but cba as it didnt pay a lot for one treble so an acca was in oreder  winner winner

Ha you're not so shabby yourself on the old horses!!

I guess I'm not a fully fledged sports degen and like to hedge my bets  a tad still :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: gatso on October 17, 2011, 02:05:19 PM

When we are back in Slovakia for Xmas yes it gets caught from a lake a few days before then to clean it out they leave it in the bath till the 23rd!!
Good knowledge Gatso by far the wisest owl on here.

not just a slovakian thing. I know this from my time in poland


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2011, 02:21:42 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 17, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 03:07:14 PM

When we are back in Slovakia for Xmas yes it gets caught from a lake a few days before then to clean it out they leave it in the bath till the 23rd!!
Good knowledge Gatso by far the wisest owl on here.

not just a slovakian thing. I know this from my time in poland
true true the first christmas we spent together we didnt go back to Slovakia and I wanted Petra to feel at home so we discussed what they did and i said I would go the the Fish mongers on the front and she said not to worry if they didnt have one.
Off i went expecting to look crazy asking for a carp and as soon as i mumbled my GF is from Slovakia he said "You want a Carp dont you?" apparently i was his 180th order!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 03:08:07 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 03:09:59 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)
Its drifted all day on BF so dont go mad, I have only dabbled but it got a decent rightup in the post which makes me worry about the price..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 17, 2011, 03:16:32 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)
Its drifted all day on BF so dont go mad, I have only dabbled but it got a decent rightup in the post which makes me worry about the price..

ony betting divers each way for craic


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)
Its drifted all day on BF so dont go mad, I have only dabbled but it got a decent rightup in the post which makes me worry about the price..

ony betting divers each way for craic
Redarmi fancies one in the last at ponte called Rio's Rosanna


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 17, 2011, 03:27:12 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?
Whats on Weds? not that i will make antes?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 17, 2011, 03:45:51 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?
Whats on Weds? not that i will make antes?

anyone else tilted by all the quote posts like this.  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 04:25:18 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?
Whats on Weds? not that i will make antes?

anyone else tilted by all the quote posts like this.  ;)
srry


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 17, 2011, 04:58:42 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?
Whats on Weds? not that i will make antes?

anyone else tilted by all the quote posts like this.  ;)
srry

Sigh rookie posting mistake


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 17, 2011, 05:01:04 PM
Lump the lot on rennes v Celtic on Thursday.

If ever there was a home banker, then this is it.
Lol what do you know about football

G Friday?

Can't do Friday :( Wednesday?
Whats on Weds? not that i will make antes?

anyone else tilted by all the quote posts like this.  ;)
srry

Sigh rookie posting mistake

sort it out lads


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 17, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)
Its drifted all day on BF so dont go mad, I have only dabbled but it got a decent rightup in the post which makes me worry about the price..

ony betting divers each way for craic

4th babbi wiiiiiiii

had £10ew @ 20/1 :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
Am at ponte might have a little dabble ew ;)
Its drifted all day on BF so dont go mad, I have only dabbled but it got a decent rightup in the post which makes me worry about the price..

ony betting divers each way for craic

4th babbi wiiiiiiii

had £10ew @ 20/1 :D
wp m8 i had £60 win on BF in the end as it got bigger and topped up the place at a variety of odds ending up with 90 to win 304 so good all round...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 17, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
£24.40 profs for me. wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. degens gonna degen obv.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 17, 2011, 05:40:41 PM
I was waiting until just before the off as it was drifting and then dad came in with all my tablets. I got caught up sifting through enough pills to keep Creamfields going all weekend and missed the race lol

Well done all that were on, like I said earlier Rich don't sell yourself short ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on October 17, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Thought I'd had a ew bet on Skybet, noticed just before off it was win only but got another bet on ew before the off...seem to be grinding profits by getting places this month. :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
I was waiting until just before the off as it was drifting and then dad came in with all my tablets. I got caught up sifting through enough pills to keep Creamfields going all weekend and missed the race lol

Well done all that were on, like I said earlier Rich don't sell yourself short ;)
TY Marky Mark
UL bud if it makes you feel better the best prices were just before the off  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 17, 2011, 05:48:58 PM
Thought I'd had a ew bet on Skybet, noticed just before off it was win only but got another bet on ew before the off...seem to be grinding profits by getting places this month. :)
A profits a profit Simon!!  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on October 17, 2011, 06:02:49 PM

When we are back in Slovakia for Xmas yes it gets caught from a lake a few days before then to clean it out they leave it in the bath till the 23rd!!
Good knowledge Gatso by far the wisest owl on here.

not just a slovakian thing. I know this from my time in poland
true true the first christmas we spent together we didnt go back to Slovakia and I wanted Petra to feel at home so we discussed what they did and i said I would go the the Fish mongers on the front and she said not to worry if they didnt have one.
Off i went expecting to look crazy asking for a carp and as soon as i mumbled my GF is from Slovakia he said "You want a Carp dont you?" apparently i was his 180th order!!

Do they call it crap in Slovakia ? My Romanian workmate was asking me where he could get some crap to eat over here, was quite a funny convo  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 17, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
I was waiting until just before the off as it was drifting and then dad came in with all my tablets. I got caught up sifting through enough pills to keep Creamfields going all weekend and missed the race lol

Well done all that were on, like I said earlier Rich don't sell yourself short ;)
TY Marky Mark
UL bud if it makes you feel better the best prices were just before the off  ;)

Haha if friends are winning I'm always happy ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: gatso on October 17, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
true true the first christmas we spent together we didnt go back to Slovakia and I wanted Petra to feel at home so we discussed what they did and i said I would go the the Fish mongers on the front and she said not to worry if they didnt have one.
Off i went expecting to look crazy asking for a carp and as soon as i mumbled my GF is from Slovakia he said "You want a Carp dont you?" apparently i was his 180th order!!

lol. bet they've been making a killing on this since the 2004 eu accession


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 18, 2011, 09:10:55 AM

When we are back in Slovakia for Xmas yes it gets caught from a lake a few days before then to clean it out they leave it in the bath till the 23rd!!
Good knowledge Gatso by far the wisest owl on here.

not just a slovakian thing. I know this from my time in poland
true true the first christmas we spent together we didnt go back to Slovakia and I wanted Petra to feel at home so we discussed what they did and i said I would go the the Fish mongers on the front and she said not to worry if they didnt have one.
Off i went expecting to look crazy asking for a carp and as soon as i mumbled my GF is from Slovakia he said "You want a Carp dont you?" apparently i was his 180th order!!

Do they call it crap in Slovakia ? My Romanian workmate was asking me where he could get some crap to eat over here, was quite a funny convo  :D
I think its capra but the way they say is like crap!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 18, 2011, 01:41:46 PM
100K CHALLENGE

Bullet 3 Bet 7

Unchartered territory now going into the 7th bet and with £223.24 to wager

Sticking my neck out on this one and LAYING   PETERBOROUGH tonigh at home vs Cardiff (sorry Chimpy)

In an amateur mistake i layed at a couple of prices and now cant get my last 63p on so the bet is £222.61 to win £137.80 less comm

GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO Bluebirds

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:15:06 AM
100K CHALLENGE
GET OUT OF JAIL CARD USED AND A LESSON LEARNT!

Last night I was watching Man Utd round a friends house but had one eye on my lay in the challenge PETERBOROUGH and after i had placed the lay I had a feeling that I had done the wrong thing and after an earlier bullet when Man U gave up a 2 nil lead said if they were 1 up going into last 10 mins i would lay off for the stake back as mentioned earlier itt.

Lucky I did!!

It was a bad lay in theory as there were better lays last night so Im glad to have got out of it, if I do make it to later bets at some point then i shall look back at this point as there is always another match and not to Lay it if I dont feel 100% about it.

Now what shall i pick tonight   mwahhahahahaha


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:19:19 AM
DAY OFF TODAY!

Tied up 2 sales yesterday and working on 2 biggies for weekend so work is ok and today is my day off so took Maxwell and Bentley for a walk to get the papers, cooked some ham and eggs and now Maxwell is having a kip before we go to BABY SENSORY class.

I have never been to one of these before so am going to sit a watch them exercising all the senses and maybe do it with him next week!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 19, 2011, 10:20:33 AM
Sigh, stop double posting please mate. I expect a diary update whenever you post in here and am always gutted to see that it's just a copy of what you already posted in the 100k challenge thread.

Oh, and tell Petra to pull her finger out and get me that Goulash recipe...please :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 19, 2011, 10:22:18 AM
isn't Goulash Hungarian?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 19, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
DAY OFF TODAY!

Tied up 2 sales yesterday and working on 2 biggies for weekend so work is ok and today is my day off so took Maxwell and Bentley for a walk to get the papers, cooked some ham and eggs and now Maxwell is having a kip before we go to BABY SENSORY class.

I have never been to one of these before so am going to sit a watch them exercising all the senses and maybe do it with him next week!!



Baby sensory classes? WTF? Why?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 19, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
isn't Goulash Hungarian?

Yeah but it's made in various countries. The Russians also do a nice Goulash...in fact,t he nicest I have ever had was in a Russian restaurant in East germany


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 19, 2011, 10:26:29 AM
isn't Goulash Hungarian?

Yeah but it's made in various countries. The Russians also do a nice Goulash...in fact,t he nicest I have ever had was in a Russian restaurant in East germany

I lived in East Germany for a bit, place called Garmisch. Great Bratwurst, shit Goulash


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:37:11 AM
1st March 2006

I remembered this story yesterday when i watched a race and saw the sponsor on a jockey's leggings and it reminded me of this horse
It was a brilliant day, I was working in Chadwell Heath and the housing market was pretty good and we had put a deal together on a semi detached house on a big plot in the knowledge we were also getting the other semi detached in 1 week and the same buyer was going to buy both houses knock them down and put 15flats on the plot and had already sounded out the council who told him this was fine.

The first deal had gone through a couple of days before and i had to meet one of the brothers at one of his chain of Indian restaurants to collect our 10k drink for making sure property 1 was his, it was the first time i had done anything at this level so was quite nervous as although the vendors were getting market value obv they never knew the plans for the props after.

Arriving at the restaurant i kept checking to see if all looked ok and in i went, where i was guided to one of the kitchens where they chopped up all the Halal meat. I was half exxpecting to either end up in a dish myself or for some tv reporter with a camera to pop out but 5 minutes later in came ****** and he handed over 2 bags. I said if its ok with him i will count it out as i would not want him to have overpaid us (something i learnt from the money lenders).

FML only 5k was in 20's the rest was in tenners and fivers and after 30 mins i confirmed it was all there and shook his hand saying i looked forward to seeing him in 3weeks time when the other house had gone through and we would collect the other half. As i walked out i still expected someone to jump me or jump out with the camera and i jumped in my car and locked the doors and drove back to the office where i distributed the cash between the 4 in the office and then set about the rest of my day off which was to back a horse i had been told a few weeks before that was running today....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
isn't Goulash Hungarian?

Yeah but it's made in various countries. The Russians also do a nice Goulash...in fact,t he nicest I have ever had was in a Russian restaurant in East germany
Ty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
DAY OFF TODAY!

Tied up 2 sales yesterday and working on 2 biggies for weekend so work is ok and today is my day off so took Maxwell and Bentley for a walk to get the papers, cooked some ham and eggs and now Maxwell is having a kip before we go to BABY SENSORY class.

I have never been to one of these before so am going to sit a watch them exercising all the senses and maybe do it with him next week!!



Baby sensory classes? WTF? Why?
Its a "LEIGH ON SEA" thing all these classes are a reason for the mums and kids to get together and then they all meet up for coffee and support the local economy  ;)
You need to watch TOWIE m8 to see what life here is like!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 10:53:53 AM
CARRIG AN UISCE

This horse was part owned by a fella i met at the casino in Southend and he said it was a horse that needed 2m-2m2f max and good or good to soft ground and that the next time it was out they were trying with it so it was definitely worth a bet.

Flush with my drink money from the house i was prepared to invest £500 on it and whilst i can remember the early prices i think it was around 5/1, luckily in the area i worked there were loads of bookies in a mile radius so armed with £1000 of mine and a few of the boys monies i set about going to 7-8 shops in 1 mile radius and placing 2 bets in each shops of £30-50 trebles with the other 2 horses both non runners so it all went onto Carrig.

If anyone has a subscription to theracingpost.com and can watch the race it was amazing as you will never see a jockey try so hard for the win as having taken the lead he was having to really keep the horse going and then 2 horses came upsides but luckily for us the run in at Downpatrick really tightens up and the horses came together with Carrig's Jockey virtually shoving the others into the railings and despite a rally from the second horse we held on for a 1/2 length victory.

Carrig an uisce was disqualified and place 3rd but all the bookies i placed the bets with were "first past the post" and we collected.  The horse never came out after that for a couple of years and i have never seen the part owner since to find out whether they bet it at the course of were as lucky as I was.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on October 19, 2011, 10:57:17 AM

MBN


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 19, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
DAY OFF TODAY!

Tied up 2 sales yesterday and working on 2 biggies for weekend so work is ok and today is my day off so took Maxwell and Bentley for a walk to get the papers, cooked some ham and eggs and now Maxwell is having a kip before we go to BABY SENSORY class.

I have never been to one of these before so am going to sit a watch them exercising all the senses and maybe do it with him next week!!



Baby sensory classes? WTF? Why?
Its a "LEIGH ON SEA" thing all these classes are a reason for the mums and kids to get together and then they all meet up for coffee and support the local economy  ;)
You need to watch TOWIE m8 to see what life here is like!!!

lol, as long as you know it's all bollocks :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 19, 2011, 11:01:41 AM
DAY OFF TODAY!

Tied up 2 sales yesterday and working on 2 biggies for weekend so work is ok and today is my day off so took Maxwell and Bentley for a walk to get the papers, cooked some ham and eggs and now Maxwell is having a kip before we go to BABY SENSORY class.

I have never been to one of these before so am going to sit a watch them exercising all the senses and maybe do it with him next week!!



Baby sensory classes? WTF? Why?
Its a "LEIGH ON SEA" thing all these classes are a reason for the mums and kids to get together and then they all meet up for coffee and support the local economy  ;)
You need to watch TOWIE m8 to see what life here is like!!!

lol, as long as you know it's all bollocks :)
oh yeah i do, and i dont mind Petra enjoying it as she has no family over here and hardly any of her friends have kids so just to be out of the house and have some adult conversation is important as it must be hard when you dont have that escape of work or Blonde to get away to..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on October 20, 2011, 09:59:41 AM
Just get her to sign up to blonde ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 10:28:24 AM
GREAT DAY OFF!

Had a lovely day with Petra and Maxwell doing some shopping, his baby class, some gardening to get sorted for the winter, a nice dinner with a couple of glasses of Red then settled down to the footie to watch the next leg of my 100K challenge, oi oi ship the £61 profit after comm and I now have £284 to invest and hopefully the next 3 lays when successful take it over a monkey when it gets more interesting.

Going to post a couple of photos of me and the boys (Maxwell and Bentley) from y/day so peeps can really see how he has grown up over the past month when we were in Wales!!

4 Horses out today in the book 2 in the same race, dont know what to do yet but will post on here!!

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Maxwell had just torn the front cover of the Racing post as I was telling him its imperative to read it front to back every day as all the winners are in there!!! (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/img2151tg.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 10:31:07 AM
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 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/img2152sc.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 10:33:13 AM
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Not my best shot need to get to the gym and lose some chins!! (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/img2168q.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 11:03:26 AM
NOT TIPS JUST HORSES TODAY I LIKE!!

Dont really like it when so many out on the same day from the book as it can be an expensive day but what can you do??


5.10 Brighton

SLUGGSY MORANT - This horse ran second behind SIRIUS PROSPECT at windsor over 6f and was staying on at the end and Sirius has obviously improved massively but Sluggsy ran a couple of 4ths over 7f and was dropped back to 6f and won at Goodwood and then came out and ran a decent race at N/mkt staying on over 6f at the end, today Dane O'Neill is back on and this is my main fancy of the day and is an each way price!!
however..

Night Trade runs in the same race and was in the goodwood race also finishing 3rd and has since run 2 solid races at Goodwood so I am having a saver on this as I expect the Brighton course to suit these quirky types i hope Sluggsy stays on well up the hill though.


8.10 Wolverhampton
DUCAL is back out having earnt us a few quid last time they are back in a handicap and off the same mark as it won the maiden off, its had a few entries since that win but they have chosen to bring it out here could it run up a small sequence of wins??
If Ducal wins expect this next one to shorten up even further but its short anyway
When I put up Ducal as a fancy  ACTIONMAN TRIGG put up Good Authority 8.40 Wolverhampton as one against us and if you watched the race we were quite lucky as Dazzler Holland had the 2nd in a tez position and couldnt quite get past us once we had first run, its only around 6/5 today but surely should win tonight!!

I'm going to back the 2 in the 5.10 then if one of them wins stick a bit on Ducal if not I shall have a double on the 2 wolves horses and shall have a treble at the early odds on SLUGGSY/DUCAL/GOOD AUTHORITY


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 20, 2011, 11:12:04 AM
(http://foobarph.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/helpful-tips.jpg?w=297&h=300)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 03:15:59 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

The stable jockey just texted me "KINGS N DREAMS" 8.10 Wolverhampton but this is Ducals race so i replied "Really  its a big price on BF!"
He said yes but I'm not so sure but I have had loads of winners from him so it would be rude not to back it so i have had all the fancy prices on BF that were there £25 on the win at prices from 23-27 and £30 on the place market at 5.5 - 6.6

I dunno not sure myself although K.Fallon is booked to ride and is 2-2 on the horse...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 20, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
Got 100 spread between these 3. My sports balance after withdrawing from Dewi's binks last night was 100... So as they say in China. i'm awwwwwwwwwwwwwww eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. gl us.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 03:38:28 PM
Well either I got an early text or the BLONDE EFFECT is moving the market   BF now has it at 13 and most bookies now 14s  20s with Paddy  18's Hills


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on October 20, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFwkZylE9E

Eso is that you in the latest Gocompare ad????

:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFwkZylE9E

Eso is that you in the latest Gocompare ad????

:)
Nice at first i thought you were referring to the fella with the tache in reference to my MOVEMBER challenge and then i realised you meant the caveman chap in glasses, but I will have you know i am a bit more svelte under the t-shirt than that chap!!

A bit like your goodself  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on October 20, 2011, 03:57:41 PM
Nice at first i thought you were referring to the fella with the tache in reference to my MOVEMBER challenge and then i realised you meant the caveman chap in glasses, but I will have you know i am a bit more svelte under the t-shirt than that chap!!

A bit like your goodself  ;)


A bit like myself??? that's like comparing Kate Moss and Katy Brand lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 05:12:04 PM
[ ] 1st one went well   Need a result from the 8.10 now

sry


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 20, 2011, 05:18:04 PM
[ ] 1st one went well   Need a result from the 8.10 now

sry

we still backing ducal ftw with the fallon horse ew?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 20, 2011, 05:21:57 PM
Sighballlllllllllllllllls


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
[ ] 1st one went well   Need a result from the 8.10 now

sry

we still backing ducal ftw with the fallon horse ew?
due to the prices  Fallons mount is a bigger winner for me but i still fancy the other more!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
[ ] 1st one went well   Need a result from the 8.10 now

sry

On it.. lets fackin do it.. wiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 20, 2011, 06:00:49 PM
Im on £30 win ducal @ 10/3 and £10ew kings n dreams @ 18/1 gonna lump any winnings on the fav in the race after gl us


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 20, 2011, 07:43:15 PM
got £30 on Ducal and I did that other one for a score too  at between 16/15s

Did Ducal in a £20 win double with Good Authority too and a 10 win double with Kings and Dreams


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on October 20, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
On. Let's do it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 20, 2011, 08:14:25 PM
got £30 on Ducal and I did that other one for a score too  at between 16/15s

Did Ducal in a £20 win double with Good Authority too and a 10 win double with Kings and Dreams

geeeeeeeeeeeeg


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 20, 2011, 08:18:50 PM
where did our horsey come?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Sigh  sorry guys piped in last 50 yds   i don't even want to back the last one now  so obvious it will win


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on October 20, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
where did our horsey come?

2nd and fallons  5th i think


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 20, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
Chasinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng all in on Authority :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on October 20, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
Good Call


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2011, 10:11:25 AM
BUSY BUSY BUSY!

Well i backed Good Authority to get me about 80% of my stakes from the other 2 donkeys on Thursday so not bad considering...

Friday was quite busy at work as trying to put 3 deals together but they are taking time which is due to the market and you have to really neg deals well to get them tied atm..

Managed to nick £100 on the place markets on BF during the day y/day though in small bits and have invested most of it in 1 horse on the place only market on BF on RACY in the 2.00 an Donny

Not played any poker since the start of the month at DTD but there is a mini festival at Southend next week where i shall probs play all 3 events unless i decide to come up to DTD for the Skypoker thingy but as i am up there the week after for the deep stack may have to swerve the first one and stay local.

Come on the Trotters today as part of my 100k challenge!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 22, 2011, 11:36:35 AM
Had a tip for that racy at York last time out think it came 3rd to Sirius?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on October 22, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2011, 12:39:07 PM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?
I started gambling when I was 16 and had just signed as a YTS at Kidderminster Harriers and in the afternoons after training we were down the snooker club, on a golf course or in da bookies as there was not a lot else to do! There was 15 of us who lived in digs in Kidderminster itself and went home Saturday night after the 1st teams match and then travelled back Monday morning for training.

I got involved in the horses and dogs and the occasional footie bet during the week and despite only earning £29.50 per week then £35 when i turned 17 had a few scams to give me some gambling moniezz but i learnt a lesson at the local snooker club when one evening I was challenged to a ££ match against a player who was better than me and he was hustling me but i didnt know it.

He gave me a head start of 40 pts and we played for £10 i thought this was great and he just beat me, so in the next frame we played "double or quits" and he gave me 45 pts start and this time he smashed me anyway after losing that and the next 2 frames i was in for £80 and we played for my nett worth of £160 and he gave me 50pts iirc. Now the owner of the club had realised i was being hustled and was annoyed with the member and as we were playing the game on the TOP table in front of the bar after i potted the first red and a colour I then missed and in full view of my opponent he called me over and whispered to me  " pretend i am telling you something and just nod your head " which i did.

My opponent had obv seen this and it threw him off his game and after every other shot of mine he called me over again, eventually i beat the fella and he had the raving hump and went over to the owner telling him he was out of order for coaching me to which he told him that he was disappointed that he would hustle a 16year old kid and that he didnt actually tell me anything just pretended as he knew it would affect his game.

I never played snooker for money again after that...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2011, 12:45:11 PM
My first real footie bet that i recall winning was at the end of the 1990/91 season when i remember doing a treble on the playoffs and picked all the winners from the outset which was nice but i think I was hooked in those days and being in a bookies everytime they would say "their going behind the traps at monmore" or "at the post at haydock" i would rush over to the form and try to pick the winner in 30secs and then punt on it.

I was a bookies dream!!!

I dont know why but i always loved the price 5/2 as it just seemed great that £40 staked won exactly £100 and in my head this must have cost me loads over the years as whenever i saw a greyhound at the price i was drawn to it  :(

I think my Dad knew i would have a problem though in my early days as when we were on holiday all my pocket money used to go on the arcades in the fruities.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on October 22, 2011, 12:47:13 PM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?
I started gambling when I was 16 and had just signed as a YTS at Kidderminster Harriers and in the afternoons after training we were down the snooker club, on a golf course or in da bookies as there was not a lot else to do! There was 15 of us who lived in digs in Kidderminster itself and went home Saturday night after the 1st teams match and then travelled back Monday morning for training.

I got involved in the horses and dogs and the occasional footie bet during the week and despite only earning £29.50 per week then £35 when i turned 17 had a few scams to give me some gambling moniezz but i learnt a lesson at the local snooker club when one evening I was challenged to a ££ match against a player who was better than me and he was hustling me but i didnt know it.

He gave me a head start of 40 pts and we played for £10 i thought this was great and he just beat me, so in the next frame we played "double or quits" and he gave me 45 pts start and this time he smashed me anyway after losing that and the next 2 frames i was in for £80 and we played for my nett worth of £160 and he gave me 50pts iirc. Now the owner of the club had realised i was being hustled and was annoyed with the member and as we were playing the game on the TOP table in front of the bar after i potted the first red and a colour I then missed and in full view of my opponent he called me over and whispered to me  " pretend i am telling you something and just nod your head " which i did.

My opponent had obv seen this and it threw him off his game and after every other shot of mine he called me over again, eventually i beat the fella and he had the raving hump and went over to the owner telling him he was out of order for coaching me to which he told him that he was disappointed that he would hustle a 16year old kid and that he didnt actually tell me anything just pretended as he knew it would affect his game.

I never played snooker for money again after that...

Rich you have the best stories.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 22, 2011, 03:30:50 PM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?
I started gambling when I was 16 and had just signed as a YTS at Kidderminster Harriers and in the afternoons after training we were down the snooker club, on a golf course or in da bookies as there was not a lot else to do! There was 15 of us who lived in digs in Kidderminster itself and went home Saturday night after the 1st teams match and then travelled back Monday morning for training.

I got involved in the horses and dogs and the occasional footie bet during the week and despite only earning £29.50 per week then £35 when i turned 17 had a few scams to give me some gambling moniezz but i learnt a lesson at the local snooker club when one evening I was challenged to a ££ match against a player who was better than me and he was hustling me but i didnt know it.

He gave me a head start of 40 pts and we played for £10 i thought this was great and he just beat me, so in the next frame we played "double or quits" and he gave me 45 pts start and this time he smashed me anyway after losing that and the next 2 frames i was in for £80 and we played for my nett worth of £160 and he gave me 50pts iirc. Now the owner of the club had realised i was being hustled and was annoyed with the member and as we were playing the game on the TOP table in front of the bar after i potted the first red and a colour I then missed and in full view of my opponent he called me over and whispered to me  " pretend i am telling you something and just nod your head " which i did.

My opponent had obv seen this and it threw him off his game and after every other shot of mine he called me over again, eventually i beat the fella and he had the raving hump and went over to the owner telling him he was out of order for coaching me to which he told him that he was disappointed that he would hustle a 16year old kid and that he didnt actually tell me anything just pretended as he knew it would affect his game.

I never played snooker for money again after that...

Haha quality, I made most of my pocket money playing snooker for money when I was a kid and playing pontoon too. The locals used to have a game at the weekends and on the whole were pretty terrible at it. I used to use the money I'd won at snooker in the week to sit in this £2 max bet game at the weekend. I was probably the richest kid at school when I was 13/14 :D

When I got in the navy I didn't use to hustle per se but I used to play people one handed at pool. They all knew I was good at snooker but saw it as a good chance for them if I played that way. On a pool table it's pretty easy though as you can rest on the cushion for the majority of shots.  It was handy for bolstering my paltry wages and the other lads used to love it so it was all good fun.



My first real footie bet that i recall winning was at the end of the 1990/91 season when i remember doing a treble on the playoffs and picked all the winners from the outset which was nice but i think I was hooked in those days and being in a bookies everytime they would say "their going behind the traps at monmore" or "at the post at haydock" i would rush over to the form and try to pick the winner in 30secs and then punt on it.

I was a bookies dream!!!

I dont know why but i always loved the price 5/2 as it just seemed great that £40 staked won exactly £100 and in my head this must have cost me loads over the years as whenever i saw a greyhound at the price i was drawn to it  :(

I think my Dad knew i would have a problem though in my early days as when we were on holiday all my pocket money used to go on the arcades in the fruities.

Haha this is ridiculous I used to absolutely love fruit machines from a very early age and was playing them regularly from about 12 years of age. I live on the south coast and Weymouth which is the next town had about a dozen arcades when I was growing up. My brother, a couple friends and I used to go down there regularly to punt away all afternoon. In the summer we would go to Bangor in Northern Ireland for 6 weeks which is another seaside town and full of arcades. We used to save up our pocket money for a few days to ensure we could ride out what I now know is variance and be armed with enough money for a proper punt lol.

As I got older my dad had two jackpot machines in his club and I used to play these frequently too. It wasn't always a case of putting in £50 and being guaranteed a jackpot like the pub ones though and quite a few times I got caught up chasing and drilled 5/600 through them and a couple times even more than that. 

I've always had quite an addictive personality in everything I've done, my parents both played them too and my dad was a big game player of all types. He was an exceptional backgammon player when he was younger. His uncle was renowned for his prowess at almost anything he turned his hand too and I remember my dad saying that Uncle Denny taught him to play one afternoon when he was based in Pompey where Denny lived. Dad went away and studied more after they played and he never ever managed to beat my dad again in over 30 years so I know where I get my competitive streak from lol.

These memories your posts bring up are making me want to diarise it all for posterity :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2011, 03:41:53 PM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?
I started gambling when I was 16 and had just signed as a YTS at Kidderminster Harriers and in the afternoons after training we were down the snooker club, on a golf course or in da bookies as there was not a lot else to do! There was 15 of us who lived in digs in Kidderminster itself and went home Saturday night after the 1st teams match and then travelled back Monday morning for training.

I got involved in the horses and dogs and the occasional footie bet during the week and despite only earning £29.50 per week then £35 when i turned 17 had a few scams to give me some gambling moniezz but i learnt a lesson at the local snooker club when one evening I was challenged to a ££ match against a player who was better than me and he was hustling me but i didnt know it.

He gave me a head start of 40 pts and we played for £10 i thought this was great and he just beat me, so in the next frame we played "double or quits" and he gave me 45 pts start and this time he smashed me anyway after losing that and the next 2 frames i was in for £80 and we played for my nett worth of £160 and he gave me 50pts iirc. Now the owner of the club had realised i was being hustled and was annoyed with the member and as we were playing the game on the TOP table in front of the bar after i potted the first red and a colour I then missed and in full view of my opponent he called me over and whispered to me  " pretend i am telling you something and just nod your head " which i did.

My opponent had obv seen this and it threw him off his game and after every other shot of mine he called me over again, eventually i beat the fella and he had the raving hump and went over to the owner telling him he was out of order for coaching me to which he told him that he was disappointed that he would hustle a 16year old kid and that he didnt actually tell me anything just pretended as he knew it would affect his game.

I never played snooker for money again after that...

Rich you have the best stories.
<3 the Belton


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2011, 03:46:33 PM
Any more stories rich? When did u start gambling? And what did u gamble on?
I started gambling when I was 16 and had just signed as a YTS at Kidderminster Harriers and in the afternoons after training we were down the snooker club, on a golf course or in da bookies as there was not a lot else to do! There was 15 of us who lived in digs in Kidderminster itself and went home Saturday night after the 1st teams match and then travelled back Monday morning for training.

I got involved in the horses and dogs and the occasional footie bet during the week and despite only earning £29.50 per week then £35 when i turned 17 had a few scams to give me some gambling moniezz but i learnt a lesson at the local snooker club when one evening I was challenged to a ££ match against a player who was better than me and he was hustling me but i didnt know it.

He gave me a head start of 40 pts and we played for £10 i thought this was great and he just beat me, so in the next frame we played "double or quits" and he gave me 45 pts start and this time he smashed me anyway after losing that and the next 2 frames i was in for £80 and we played for my nett worth of £160 and he gave me 50pts iirc. Now the owner of the club had realised i was being hustled and was annoyed with the member and as we were playing the game on the TOP table in front of the bar after i potted the first red and a colour I then missed and in full view of my opponent he called me over and whispered to me  " pretend i am telling you something and just nod your head " which i did.

My opponent had obv seen this and it threw him off his game and after every other shot of mine he called me over again, eventually i beat the fella and he had the raving hump and went over to the owner telling him he was out of order for coaching me to which he told him that he was disappointed that he would hustle a 16year old kid and that he didnt actually tell me anything just pretended as he knew it would affect his game.

I never played snooker for money again after that...

Haha quality, I made most of my pocket money playing snooker for money when I was a kid and playing pontoon too. The locals used to have a game at the weekends and on the whole were pretty terrible at it. I used to use the money I'd won at snooker in the week to sit in this £2 max bet game at the weekend. I was probably the richest kid at school when I was 13/14 :D

When I got in the navy I didn't use to hustle per se but I used to play people one handed at pool. They all knew I was good at snooker but saw it as a good chance for them if I played that way. On a pool table it's pretty easy though as you can rest on the cushion for the majority of shots.  It was handy for bolstering my paltry wages and the other lads used to love it so it was all good fun.



My first real footie bet that i recall winning was at the end of the 1990/91 season when i remember doing a treble on the playoffs and picked all the winners from the outset which was nice but i think I was hooked in those days and being in a bookies everytime they would say "their going behind the traps at monmore" or "at the post at haydock" i would rush over to the form and try to pick the winner in 30secs and then punt on it.

I was a bookies dream!!!

I dont know why but i always loved the price 5/2 as it just seemed great that £40 staked won exactly £100 and in my head this must have cost me loads over the years as whenever i saw a greyhound at the price i was drawn to it  :(

I think my Dad knew i would have a problem though in my early days as when we were on holiday all my pocket money used to go on the arcades in the fruities.

Haha this is ridiculous I used to absolutely love fruit machines from a very early age and was playing them regularly from about 12 years of age. I live on the south coast and Weymouth which is the next town had about a dozen arcades when I was growing up. My brother, a couple friends and I used to go down there regularly to punt away all afternoon. In the summer we would go to Bangor in Northern Ireland for 6 weeks which is another seaside town and full of arcades. We used to save up our pocket money for a few days to ensure we could ride out what I now know is variance and be armed with enough money for a proper punt lol.

As I got older my dad had two jackpot machines in his club and I used to play these frequently too. It wasn't always a case of putting in £50 and being guaranteed a jackpot like the pub ones though and quite a few times I got caught up chasing and drilled 5/600 through them and a couple times even more than that. 

I've always had quite an addictive personality in everything I've done, my parents both played them too and my dad was a big game player of all types. He was an exceptional backgammon player when he was younger. His uncle was renowned for his prowess at almost anything he turned his hand too and I remember my dad saying that Uncle Denny taught him to play one afternoon when he was based in Pompey where Denny lived. Dad went away and studied more after they played and he never ever managed to beat my dad again in over 30 years so I know where I get my competitive streak from lol.

These memories your posts bring up are making me want to diarise it all for posterity :D
So jealous you can double quote, teach meeee
Anyway you can start the diary on the 1st Jan like the rest of them!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 22, 2011, 03:57:35 PM
So jealous you can double quote, teach meeee
Anyway you can start the diary on the 1st Jan like the rest of them!!

I actually messed it up somehow, should have previewed it before I posted. All I do is open a 2nd window, quote the 2nd post and then copy & paste it into the first window.

I might do that actually the memoirs of a fiscally retarded idiot.......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on October 22, 2011, 04:22:48 PM
To quote, just scroll down when you're on the "post reply" page to the Topic Summary at the bottom. To the right of each post is an "insert quote" link. :D Just close by using " [/quote] ".

So jealous you can double quote

teach meeee

Quoting myself as we speak.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 22, 2011, 04:32:53 PM
To quote, just scroll down when you're on the "post reply" page to the Topic Summary at the bottom. To the right of each post is an "insert quote" link. :D Just close by using "
".

So jealous you can double quote

teach meeee

Quoting myself as we speak.
[/quote]

showoff


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 22, 2011, 04:51:49 PM
To quote, just scroll down when you're on the "post reply" page to the Topic Summary at the bottom. To the right of each post is an "insert quote" link. :D Just close by using "
".

So jealous you can double quote

teach meeee

Quoting myself as we speak.
[/quote]

WPWP :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 10:47:20 AM
THE PAST FEW DAYS...

Have been manic, had a great day Sunday watched the footie and accompanied Petra, Maxwell and my Mum to a car boot sale where i spent as much on food and coffee as they spent buying loads of new or nearly new baby stuff to clutter up our once minimalistic house!!

Monday I had a work experience girl start in the office which meant quite a bit of training and she was observing how we do things here, she is only with me for a week but came in looking for employment and i dont have any vacancies but she showed a real interest in the job and presented herself well so i said she could do 1 week unpaid to see if she likes it and see what we do as many people think its just about swanning around million pound pads, if only...

TBF she has done really well and if she can get a driving licence i would look at her in a junior neg position next year when she finishes college. We are still working on a few deals and need 2 of them minimum to come together by Monday which is month end to have another positive month business wise!!!

I am back to the early stages of my £100k challenge after a let down on the weekend but had 2 wins out of 2 last night as well as my 3rd over 2 goals acca of the season come in which freerolls me into the poker festival at Southend this weekend.

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 26, 2011, 11:17:08 AM
This is not meant as a dig at all, but do you bet for fun or to actually to try and make money?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 26, 2011, 11:23:17 AM
I only ask because some of the prices you take are poor, the £40 double would have returned £125 in other places, I had Preston +2.5 @ 4/5 elsewhere.

I know sometimes you can only get to a Hills shop etc, have money in various accounts.

:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
This is not meant as a dig at all, but do you bet for fun or to actually to try and make money?
Ok the left hand bet is part of my challenge and the right hand bet is one that i place 2 bets per week of approx £30 per bet on over goals in certain matches and do between 5-8 just picking the games i think will have goals in.
Over the past 2 seasons not inc this one i would say i get the 5-8 team acca in approx 6 times per year with it paying minimum £400 and up to £2200 as per earlier itt therefore betting on over goals for me has been profitable.

I dont bet to make money in terms of needing it to be part of my income but it supplements other things in my life like holidays, taking shots in poker tourneys etc etc.
If you have not followed my diary from the start I dont bet day to day on horses or sport just if something takes my fancy or if i get texted something but i do read the Racing Post every day.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 26, 2011, 11:34:09 AM
That said, now what donkeys should i be laying backing today?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
I only ask because some of the prices you take are poor, the £40 double would have returned £125 in other places, I had Preston +2.5 @ 4/5 elsewhere.

I know sometimes you can only get to a Hills shop etc, have money in various accounts.

:)
oh getcha
yeah sometimes i dont have the time to get THE best price as was on way back from work but i do try when poss and always have oddschecker open on the comp at work next to Blonde obv  ;)
where was 4/5?
I find out of the shops themselves   Hills>Corals>Laddies on these bets no?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 11:38:18 AM
That said, now what donkeys should i be laying backing today?
Nothing from me today so its over to Redarmis diary on contstant refresh!!
I am interested in one tomorrow but not sure from a betting or watching perspective yet!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 26, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
That said, now what donkeys should i be laying backing today?
Nothing from me today so its over to Redarmis diary on contstant refresh!!
I am interested in one tomorrow but not sure from a betting or watching perspective yet!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 26, 2011, 11:49:35 AM
I only ask because some of the prices you take are poor, the £40 double would have returned £125 in other places, I had Preston +2.5 @ 4/5 elsewhere.

I know sometimes you can only get to a Hills shop etc, have money in various accounts.

:)
oh getcha
yeah sometimes i dont have the time to get THE best price as was on way back from work but i do try when poss and always have oddschecker open on the comp at work next to Blonde obv  ;)
where was 4/5?
I find out of the shops themselves   Hills>Corals>Laddies on these bets no?

Was on the betfred midweek coupon, albeit you have to have a double, Swindon/Gills was 5/6 too, 8/11 in most places.  8/11 double on both Celtic/Man City games tonight there looks value too, 8/13 13/20 both in most places.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on October 26, 2011, 01:38:46 PM
Celtic are in the worst form in years mate- not saying they wont win but I'm sure there will be other bets I'd rather have; it being a league cup game and all

They have won 3 in 9 games(one of which was Ross County) and only scored in last quarter to win 2-1 at home against aberdeen at the weekend.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 01:49:43 PM
OTHER PEOPLES LIVES!!

In our job we have a lot of time to people watch as looking out of our massive windows they see us we see them. Earlier itt i mentioned driving past the same people on the way to work and the guy who checks the parking machines for coins and today i saw him today on the early stretch of his walk, it must have been a good start to the day as he bent down to pick up a coin off the floor so no doubt the 4 miles will go quicker today!!

We had a strange guy come into the office yesterday and it nearly kicked off, the local newspaper give us 20 copies of the paper which we put in the front office for prospective buyers to have or for some residents who dont get it delivered and most people pop their head round the door say "do you mind if i take one" and off they toddle. Late afternoon yesterday a 30year old unkemp guy in a shell suit (in Belton terms he would be MRSocialsecurityfish)  walks in and i was on the Mezanine floor with Laura sat at her desk on the phone and he gestured if it was ok and she nodded as she was leaving a message for someone at which point he starts mumbling

"you think your better than me"  "stop bogging at me"  "your always laughing at me" so i was all ready to skip down the stairs but he then walked out, you never know what can happen and there are some wierdo's around. It reminded me of a time at a previous company where someone strolled into an office in Chingford with only the secretary there who just pulled a knife and slashed her arm before casually walking out and assaulting someone else..

Anyway it got us thinking about other peoples live in our broadway as we have a guy we have named
"COFFEE MAN" - He is in the broadway everyday from 9am and is always dressed smart casual about 45 years old, all he does is drink coffee in the 2-3 coffee/sandwich shops moving from one to the other and is never with anyone else. At 5pm when they shut he leaves to go where??? We reckon he has probably lost his job and leaves his house with his wife partner significant other thinking he has gone to work and is living off credit until he lands another job or gets found out!!

"THE BAG LADY"  - another coffee house sitter who wears the same clothes the 2x a week we see her but is quite scary and will walk into the office look around at the walls even the ones where properties are not displayed whilst remaining silent even if you ask "can i help at all?" before walking out. She is scary as she always has her hands in her pockets as if she is holding a knife in there..

These are just 2 of them, nowt as strange as folk eh...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 26, 2011, 02:00:01 PM
We had a strange guy come into the office yesterday and it nearly kicked off.

False advertising imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 02:03:37 PM
We had a strange guy come into the office yesterday and it nearly kicked off.

False advertising imo
it nearly did  honest ;joestrummer;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on October 26, 2011, 02:06:07 PM
Celtic are in the worst form in years mate- not saying they wont win but I'm sure there will be other bets I'd rather have; it being a league cup game and all

They have won 3 in 9 games(one of which was Ross County) and only scored in last quarter to win 2-1 at home against aberdeen at the weekend.

I was talking about the over 2.5 goals market in both the Celtic & City games  :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2011, 02:10:53 PM
Celtic are in the worst form in years mate- not saying they wont win but I'm sure there will be other bets I'd rather have; it being a league cup game and all

They have won 3 in 9 games(one of which was Ross County) and only scored in last quarter to win 2-1 at home against aberdeen at the weekend.

I was talking about the over 2.5 goals market in both the Celtic & City games  :)
yeah i got it may have a little dabble on own but was going to wait till weekend for next challenge bet!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on October 26, 2011, 02:52:14 PM
ah got ye; a lot better bet now ;-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 28, 2011, 12:34:08 PM
Had a great day off yesterday and back in work today where we are trying to tie up the last few deals of the month!!

There is a mini festival at Southend this weekend so am playing the £100 f/o tonight and then the £150 f/o tomorrow, these festivals never get well attended anymore as all the Luton and Brighton faces stopped coming after one of the £500 events only got 15 runners and they made up 10 of them and its been on the decline ever since.
They have tried reducing the buy in to £300 - £250 and now its £150, I was going to take the drive up to DTD for the Skypoker 6max but with all the associated expenses and due to the fact i will be there next weekend for the deepstack it makes more sense to stay local and just for Herbie its easier to get a Hendon Mob flag for the month ;)


GL to all Blondes playing at DTD this weekend!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 29, 2011, 01:48:27 AM
Lol. I aint had one since march. Been told I have to start playing more again coz Christmas is gonna be expensive this year :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 29, 2011, 03:39:27 AM
Lol. I aint had one since march. Been told I have to start playing more again coz Christmas is gonna be expensive this year :)

<3 Herbie


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 09:40:52 AM
Lol. I aint had one since march. Been told I have to start playing more again coz Christmas is gonna be expensive this year :)
1 Played 1 2nd place HENDON MOB for Herbs!!  :)

TR to follow!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 10:24:42 AM
£100 Rendevous Side Event

This does not bode well in terms of runners for tonight but meh its on the doorstep!!

Only 32runners of the usual Southend standard except 3-4 half decent players, I lose 3.5k in 2pots in first 2 levels with "Dem Aces" and  Td Th so go into full on grind mode and rebuild to 11k at first break which was average and whilst on the 30 min break??? decide to take a stroll to watch the horse i backed in the £40 to 100k challenge which wins and leaves me pleased i invested £60 to win on it at 5/2 seperately as well so were now freerolling the night.

I'm ducking and diving at 100/200 and 100/200/25 and get to 17k but they miss 150/300 and go straight to 200/400 when just before the table break i find "THE BELTONS" in the sb and it folds round to the button who looks like he is going to raise then folds so i set the shortie in the bb in and he had already looked at  Jc Jd hoping for action!!  A 3rd BELTON on the flop pretty much finished the affair and we broke to 2 tables with me drawing the table of nits with no chips there must have been 33% of the chips in play on our table so i just picked my spots and chipped up sending this Chinese kid bandy constantly 3 betting him or shoving over his raises till a comical fold by him that left the table aghast!

It folds to him in the sb at 6/1200 and he makes it 10k out of 20.5k total and i find  Aspades Ks and have 35k so ship and he dwell folds  7d 7h wtf?? we chat about his play after and i ask him how long he has been playing and he told me only 6months and on the next break we chat further as he was a nice kid and i told him that in 6months more he will never fold that spot. I think he liked me at that point (changed his opinion later!!) and even more so when we again get it in BvB me with  9c 9d v  Aspades Js which spikes to send me down to 30k and we approach the FT bubble with only 5 getting paaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiid.

With only 15bigs at 1/2000/200 I am comfortable with my shipping/re-shipping range and when it folds to my sb i open shove  8s Qs and the bb snaps me with  Ahrt Jh and holds so were down to 11k and open shove the next 4 hands getting each through before folding the fifth so i can shove utg into the Chinese lads BB and all of a sudden were back to 40k and can raise properly again so we make it 5400 otb and call off the extra 10k from the bb with  Qc Kd and get there v  Th Td making the FT with circa 50k..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 10:50:13 AM
I draw seat 3 with Dave "Disco" Welch and Neil Barron the only other decent players on the final IMO and in the very first hand Disco misplays a hand that gives me a big pot but also keeps him in the tourney as he limps  Ahrt Kd utg, utg1 (Chinese lad) limps, Trevor Bulless calls all in for 1800, the sb makes up and i check my  8s Qs and the flop comes a lovely   Aspades 5s Qc and my mind is set to CR so when Disco bets 5.5k and then the LAD makes it 14k i know were gonna have to do a GET THERE but were playing FTW so ship it and Disco folds and i get snapped by  5d 5h but get immediate service with the  3s and fade the river up to 95k out of 320k with the poor lad left shaking his head before walking over to cash game he should never have been in and donating £500 to the regs.

I know 5 out of the 6 left and for good Karma I am happy to take a fraction off the top2 prizes to give 6th money back and then knocking out a shortie were down to 4 handed and i have 120k at 15/3000/300 where the BARRON shoves the button for 27k i look at the  Aspades which is followed by the  Kc and obv call but lose to  8h Qh as  Ks 8c 8d Qc Js but i regain the chips almost immediately BvB knocking out Disco  Ahrt 9h v  9d Kd and then unkown "PKR Man" knocks out the Barron and we are HU.

Disappointed is the word as having played well early HU and taking the lead before grinding out a 200k/120k lead and then 2 standard hands and its over, I raise the button with  Ad Jd and we get it in on  Ks Kd Js Qd but am drawing thin vs  Jh Kh so roles are reversed and from 80k i get it back to 120k before raising the button and then 4bet shoving  8h Qh and not getting there v  Td Aspades.

Happy with the ££ although only £830 felt i played well and gave Petra £450 towards Xmas and some extra for her, had 10% with my usual m8 and the rest will be used to enter tonights £150 and Deepstack next weekend.

#hopetokeepjasonherberthappybygettinganotherflagtonight/tomorrowdependantonnumberofrunners

GL to all my heroes playing DTD today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 29, 2011, 02:26:34 PM
Flagggggggg.  Wp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 02:29:30 PM
Lol. I aint had one since march. Been told I have to start playing more again coz Christmas is gonna be expensive this year :)
We shall be seeing you next week then??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 29, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
Haha nice report and wp mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 29, 2011, 04:00:35 PM
Yeah will be there.  Gonna be putting in a few games in November and December. Dtd mainly which includes the blackbelt event, but think my ban is up with G so hope to do Blackpool and the Championship event at the Vic.  Feeling a bit down at the moment because I ain't at the IWF as I have been the last 3 years and done really well every time there. Doing 3 different Halloween parties tho so can't complain :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
Yeah will be there.  Gonna be putting in a few games in November and December. Dtd mainly which includes the blackbelt event, but think my ban is up with G so hope to do Blackpool and the Championship event at the Vic.  Feeling a bit down at the moment because I ain't at the IWF as I have been the last 3 years and done really well every time there. Doing 3 different Halloween parties tho so can't complain :)
IWF?? 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on October 29, 2011, 04:07:14 PM
Irish winter festival.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 04:09:13 PM
Irish winter festival.
Thx knowledge!  Me and Steve gonna see how many runners then most likely come over to Luton for your comp!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2011, 04:10:31 PM
Yeah will be there.  Gonna be putting in a few games in November and December. Dtd mainly which includes the blackbelt event, but think my ban is up with G so hope to do Blackpool and the Championship event at the Vic.  Feeling a bit down at the moment because I ain't at the IWF as I have been the last 3 years and done really well every time there. Doing 3 different Halloween parties tho so can't complain :)
Photos of you in an outfit or they never happened!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on October 29, 2011, 05:55:15 PM
Yeah will be there.  Gonna be putting in a few games in November and December. Dtd mainly which includes the blackbelt event, but think my ban is up with G so hope to do Blackpool and the Championship event at the Vic.  Feeling a bit down at the moment because I ain't at the IWF as I have been the last 3 years and done really well every time there. Doing 3 different Halloween parties tho so can't complain :)
Photos of you in an outfit or they never happened!!

Just gonna wear a diff  hoodie for each one ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 29, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
[/img]https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1947796069321&set=a.1947750908192.82532.1675151650&type=3&theater[/img]

probs wont work coz i'm tez at this but someone will sort it ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 30, 2011, 09:33:23 AM
[/img]https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1947796069321&set=a.1947750908192.82532.1675151650&type=3&theater[/img]

probs wont work coz i'm tez at this but someone will sort it ;)
think i've sussed it


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 30, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
[/img]https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1947796069321&set=a.1947750908192.82532.1675151650&type=3&theater[/img]

probs wont work coz i'm tez at this but someone will sort it ;)
think i've sussed it
Nice costume Mrs H but why is Jason wearing his normal Sat night outfit!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 30, 2011, 11:25:26 AM
NO SECOND FLAG THIS WEEKEND!

Only 30 runners turned up for the £150 so i kinda wished i had gone to Luton with Vinny but hey ho, managed to chip up from 18k to 27k in first 3 levels by being a POW and then hovered around that figure for the next 6 levels and unfortunately was spot and card dead due to the nature of my table for a crucial period and when we made the final table i was definately one of the shorter stacks but the casino had declared we were finishing at 3am (not the 3am after the clocks have gone back) so into the last level we went and i had 24k at 6/1200/100 and all around me it went raise, re-raise and i looked at 93/82/ blah blah.

Players were taking so much time to make decisions that i had decided to shove if folded to in the last 5 mins to try and get a double throguh as only 4places were paid and on the final hand of the morning it folded to me in the c/o and i shoved my 15k having peeked at the "BELTON" of hearts unfortunately Ian in the BB who had the hand before found ACES and got a caller with TENS found  Ad 9d and my second card was a lowly  4c. The  Qc in the window gave some hope which was followed by the  9s and an unfortunate "GREEKSTEIN" sorry "GRRENSTEIN" otr sealed my fate.

So the plan is to play 2 satty's this week for the deepstack online then travel up friday dropping off Petra and Maxwell at Luton airport on the way as they are going back to SLovakia for 10days to see her mum and family on the way to DTD.

GL to Andy King who is R8APK on BLONDE and Darren Paradise today in the final and Darren for someone who does not play a massive amount of volume he has a chop of the sunday million and last week took 28k I think from the supersonic and is by far the best player left on the final and would be long odds on to win it if some donkey play by two Wizards forced him to fold  Qh Qs on a  Jd 4d 6c and he would have scooped 65% of the chips in play but in play in was the correct fold as the way the hand played the other two should never be turning over  Aspades Js and  Kd 8d but he is still in there fighting!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on October 30, 2011, 08:11:51 PM
Any news on our hero Sirius?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 30, 2011, 08:52:14 PM
Any news on our hero Sirius?
Will be out once more this season, last i heard was likely to be on nov 5th.

Obv will post on here if its fancied again..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: R8APK on October 31, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
Thanks for the GL Rich.

Managed to luckbox my way to chop it with the K8 guy.

All went off when down to the final three, Ian G had slow played JJ, other guy 62, got there on a 2x2 flop, kicks off when Ian thinks he's won when other guy nodded to say nice hand then turned over his monster! Lots of verbal threathening, with the end line being 'hope you rot in hell!'.......not sure i've ever heard that before in a £150 comp!.......then again it was in Southend! Anyway, can't say for sure if guy did do as Ian suggested as was still trying to stack my chips from an earlier pot........you know me Rich, get a nose bleed when I have more than one stack!

Def agree that Darren was by far the best player left.....but interestingly, he kept saying that he should have called that QQ hand. Might be an interesting one to put on PHA......talking of PHA, really want to ask you how you'd have played my AK hand......I know you're gonna say I butchered it, just genuinely interested how I should have played it. FWIW, I didnt think he could have a Q in his range and therefore could rep the Q or overpair.

Looking forward to my seasonal appearance at DTD this weekend, gonna try two bullets (when required!), so see you Fri. If I manage to nit my way to Sun, fancy going on beers and Dogs on Sat?

Andy     


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 31, 2011, 08:13:39 PM
uh oh!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 31, 2011, 08:30:57 PM
uh oh!
what? keep hitting f5 and nothing


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 31, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
uh oh!
what? keep hitting f5 and nothing
Nothing major, was letting Eso know about the footy. You can stop twitching the curtains now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 31, 2011, 08:39:45 PM
uh oh!
what? keep hitting f5 and nothing
Nothing major, was letting Eso know about the footy. You can stop twitching the curtains now
lol got the security cameras on. just sneaked down the side of the house and let a couple of blanks off at some older trick or treaters.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 31, 2011, 09:05:12 PM
Thanks for the GL Rich.

Managed to luckbox my way to chop it with the K8 guy.

All went off when down to the final three, Ian G had slow played JJ, other guy 62, got there on a 2x2 flop, kicks off when Ian thinks he's won when other guy nodded to say nice hand then turned over his monster! Lots of verbal threathening, with the end line being 'hope you rot in hell!'.......not sure i've ever heard that before in a £150 comp!.......then again it was in Southend! Anyway, can't say for sure if guy did do as Ian suggested as was still trying to stack my chips from an earlier pot........you know me Rich, get a nose bleed when I have more than one stack!

Def agree that Darren was by far the best player left.....but interestingly, he kept saying that he should have called that QQ hand. Might be an interesting one to put on PHA......talking of PHA, really want to ask you how you'd have played my AK hand......I know you're gonna say I butchered it, just genuinely interested how I should have played it. FWIW, I didnt think he could have a Q in his range and therefore could rep the Q or overpair.

Looking forward to my seasonal appearance at DTD this weekend, gonna try two bullets (when required!), so see you Fri. If I manage to nit my way to Sun, fancy going on beers and Dogs on Sat?

Andy     
Wp mate, will chat about the hand with you this week and probs post the other hand on pha.
Yeah if get thru Friday am defo happy to do dogs and beers Saturday.
Nice result though bud


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 31, 2011, 09:05:47 PM
uh oh!
second half team  innit!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 31, 2011, 09:07:16 PM
uh oh!
what? keep hitting f5 and nothing
Nothing major, was letting Eso know about the footy. You can stop twitching the curtains now
lol got the security cameras on. just sneaked down the side of the house and let a couple of blanks off at some older trick or treaters.
lol in Leigh on Sea the trick or treaters dont want  sweets, or the odd pound they want notes!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 31, 2011, 11:48:57 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Played my first satty of the month tonight and binked a seat along with Chili
Had a spot nice and early to double up when co raises to 300, Chili flats the sb and we have dem aces at 50/100 so we make it 850 and co jams all in. MBN and all that just needed to hold vs 44 but got lucky 2 tables out with 16 left when down to 10bigs i shove J8o from Hijack and need the 8 otr as the bb found AK from there it was standard just needing to win some blinds here and there.

Gonna play the one tomorrow to see if i can bink my Saturday seat!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: h on October 31, 2011, 11:55:39 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Played my first satty of the month tonight and binked a seat along with Chili
Had a spot nice and early to double up when co raises to 300, Chili flats the sb and we have dem aces at 50/100 so we make it 850 and co jams all in. MBN and all that just needed to hold vs 44 but got lucky 2 tables out with 16 left when down to 10bigs i shove J8o from Hijack and need the 8 otr as the bb found AK from there it was standard just needing to win some blinds here and there.

Gonna play the one tomorrow to see if i can bink my Saturday seat!!

was on your table bubble time got one too


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 31, 2011, 11:57:15 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Played my first satty of the month tonight and binked a seat along with Chili
Had a spot nice and early to double up when co raises to 300, Chili flats the sb and we have dem aces at 50/100 so we make it 850 and co jams all in. MBN and all that just needed to hold vs 44 but got lucky 2 tables out with 16 left when down to 10bigs i shove J8o from Hijack and need the 8 otr as the bb found AK from there it was standard just needing to win some blinds here and there.

Gonna play the one tomorrow to see if i can bink my Saturday seat!!

was on your table bubble time got one too
WPWP whats your sig??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: h on October 31, 2011, 11:58:24 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Played my first satty of the month tonight and binked a seat along with Chili
Had a spot nice and early to double up when co raises to 300, Chili flats the sb and we have dem aces at 50/100 so we make it 850 and co jams all in. MBN and all that just needed to hold vs 44 but got lucky 2 tables out with 16 left when down to 10bigs i shove J8o from Hijack and need the 8 otr as the bb found AK from there it was standard just needing to win some blinds here and there.

Gonna play the one tomorrow to see if i can bink my Saturday seat!!

was on your table bubble time got one too
WPWP whats your sig??

lol look under

Setalot


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 01, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
I LOVE DTD ONLINE POKER

Shipppppit
Tonight in my second satty of the month after last nights win I shipped back to back seats, last night winning with Chili and tonight with Boshi.

Not gonna play tomorrow so there is value there!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on November 01, 2011, 11:55:53 PM
Wd all, glglglgl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 02, 2011, 12:57:54 AM
Wd all, glglglgl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 08:06:06 AM
I LOVE DTD ONLINE POKER

Shipppppit
Tonight in my second satty of the month after last nights win I shipped back to back seats, last night winning with Chili and tonight with Boshi.

Not gonna play tomorrow so there is value there!!!

Was Boshi at our table???
Yeah but it would be rude to give up his sig, he wasnt on for long though as he got moved and if you would have blinked you would miss him!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on November 02, 2011, 08:14:59 AM
Well played Rich, nice call at the end to secure the seat. Looked like the last one to go was coming from your table as ours had pretty much locked up because me and another player had big stacks and were running sooooooo well. See you Friday! 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
Well played Rich, nice call at the end to secure the seat. Looked like the last one to go was coming from your table as ours had pretty much locked up because me and another player had big stacks and were running sooooooo well. See you Friday! 
Yeah if he has any more chips im folding there but that was the shot against the shorty bvb!  Look forward to it...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 11:04:41 AM
Thx heroes!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 11:09:40 AM
EDUCATING ESSEX

In our morning meeting this morning we were discussing this programme on C4 and how great the teachers are in this and also how easy it is for kids with unstable home lives to go off the rails quickly.
If I lived around Harlow I would definately want my kids to go to this school!!

Reminded me of some old SCHOOL stories, where i was a bit of a rebel and also placed on report and suspended....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on November 02, 2011, 12:02:02 PM
There was a huge debate on this forum about public sector workers rights and pensions and the majority seemed to think being a teacher was piss and they got more then enough wage/benefits.  I hope this show gives an insight into the bullshit they have to accept daily and actually teaching is only a small part of their job. If you don't have happy, good teachers and support staff at a school whatever the area the school will be shit.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 12:10:32 PM
There was a huge debate on this forum about public sector workers rights and pensions and the majority seemed to think being a teacher was piss and they got more then enough wage/benefits.  I hope this show gives an insight into the bullshit they have to accept daily and actually teaching is only a small part of their job. If you don't have happy, good teachers and support staff at a school whatever the area the school will be shit.
Agreed and when you see it they put up with so much crap its untrue, those 2 male head teachers are legends imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on November 02, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
When is your morning meeting?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 02, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
When is your morning meeting?


HERO ITT
We have a meeting at 8.45am every morning to discuss yesterdays business and missed opportunities and then run through today and what we want to get out of the day and who is doing what appointments, then at 9.15 we have the second coffee of the day and crack on.

Why fancy joining me if the poker thing does not work out?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sovietsong on November 02, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
There was a huge debate on this forum about public sector workers rights and pensions and the majority seemed to think being a teacher was piss and they got more then enough wage/benefits.  I hope this show gives an insight into the bullshit they have to accept daily and actually teaching is only a small part of their job. If you don't have happy, good teachers and support staff at a school whatever the area the school will be shit.

Think a few people may have just been winding you up...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 11:06:12 AM
WORK!!!

Last day at work for 3 days now Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii as tomorrow i take Petra and Maxwell to Luton airport to fly to Slovakia for 10 days enroute to DTD for the deepstack weekend. Won 2 seats in the 10 seat gtd sats on consecutive nights so only require petrol and hotel which is sorted via Colin "gonna go with my gut" Young after he gave me a link to the Holiday Inn 2-4-1 deal which works month in month out so £40 per night for a king room at castle marina keeps the exs down.

Gonna miss my family though loads for the 10days but have a few things to keep myself occupied ie :- REDTUBE,PORNHUB doing a business plan for something we want to do next year and some research on other stuff so hopefully it will go quickly.

GL me and the usual heroes at DTD this weekend they dont need mentioning, they know who they are...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 11:10:53 AM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 11:35:13 AM
SCHOOL STORY

Following on from the Educating Essex programme and our discussion yesterday in our morning meeting it reminded me of what a tearaway i was at school, i suppose i was just disruptive as all i wanted to do was play football.

I went to a school called Blue Coat C of E school in Walsall which was a big school set on 2 sides of a road with a junior school across the main road and as the school jock and a handsome 14year old was never short of female attention, one day though my brother who is one year younger than me took a full sized football to school which was confiscated by Mr Weaver (scouse history teacher) who i clashed with anyway and Iain came over to me to see if i could get the ball back. Pinning Weaver up against the wall i got the ball back but this was followed by a 2 week suspension meaning i would miss the ned of year school disco.

School disco's were amazing and i had been due to cop off with a girl in the year above but with the suspension i would not be there or at least thats what they thought, as after school had finished on the friday i snuck in when the cleaners were in and hid behind the drama stage waiting for the lights to go out and then i would appear on the dance floor in my shiny silver suit with white Don Johnson shoes and an electric blue shirt underneath to meet the girl.

Everything was going well and we were dancing away when the lights went on the music stopped and Mr Weaver was on stage saying Richard Blacklock please show yourself we know you are in here, now at 14 years old when dancing with a girl obv a semi was always gtd luckily his voice had put paid to that and i was marched out and told not to come back.

I hated Mr Weaver and then caused a massive amount of criminal damage by smashing every window of his first floor school room before going home when Dad picked me up. 9.30 am the next morning and the police turned up and asked m Dad if we could go to the station and take the shoes i was wearing with us which we did and whilst interviewing me they said the reason they wanted my shoes was that "The Blue Boy" statue which was a massive statue dedicated to the first student at the school had also been toppled over and smashed but there were footprints so it would be easy to rule me out.

It didnt take them long to find I had not done the statue but I received a caution from the police along with a further 6 week suspension from the school with an any more trouble and your excluded ringing through my ears for the windows and was placed on report for 12 weeks on my return.

It defo shows how easy it is for kids from broken homes to go off the rails quickly!!

#willievergetbackonthem!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!
Maybe I am qualified its 7/4 now...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 02:37:15 PM
ROFL @ the school story more school tales please!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
ROFL @ the school story more school tales please!!
If i told anymore school stories this diary would become like The Inbetweeners!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 03:06:40 PM
ROFL @ the school story more school tales please!!
If i told anymore school stories this diary would become like The Inbetweeners!

That's the idea :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 04:01:16 PM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!
Maybe I am qualified its 7/4 now...

I'm on for a ton on the nose good luck us :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 04:05:11 PM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!
Maybe I am qualified its 7/4 now...

I'm on for a ton on the nose good luck us :)
Note to Marky   read Eso's diary early as then you can get on e/w at 9/4 and not be like milligan bemoaning me if it finishes 2nd or 3rd as at least you got nearly half your win bet back!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 03, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!
Maybe I am qualified its 7/4 now...

I'm on for a ton on the nose good luck us :)
Note to Marky   read Eso's diary early as then you can get on e/w at 9/4 and not be like milligan bemoaning me if it finishes 2nd or 3rd as at least you got nearly half your win bet back!!


pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft, i would rather lose the lot then get nearly 1/2 back


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
HORSE I FANCY!!

I'm not qualified enough to know if this is a dirty race but the 5.00 Wolverhampton

I have placed £100 each way on CHOKIDAR at 9/4 this morning as this horse ran well against DUCAL (tipped) to finish 3rd over C&D and then Good Authority won next time out in another maiden over C&D although that ran tez in a Hcap last night at Kempton.
The favourite has the best form in the book but i hope the jockey is up with the pace or leading and kicks on to start off the weekend well.

For the each way haters out there   if we place i only lose £55 total and i cant see the horse not placing (obv bok) but we have a chance to win!!!
Maybe I am qualified its 7/4 now...

I'm on for a ton on the nose good luck us :)
Note to Marky   read Eso's diary early as then you can get on e/w at 9/4 and not be like milligan bemoaning me if it finishes 2nd or 3rd as at least you got nearly half your win bet back!!

I can't read before you post though and as I normally go to bed around 6 I'm not gonna be there to get the early prices  :D



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
HOW FAR!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 05:05:22 PM
HOW FAR!!!!

Oioi you legend  ;tightend;

I get 2s anyway as it drifted on Laddies before the off


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 03, 2011, 05:05:44 PM
Fml nice tip shame id maxed out my deposit limit :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 03, 2011, 05:08:48 PM
ffs i bink two winners and still down on the day. obv i went big elsewhere which failed. I am a disgusting degen. Wp anyway fella.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 05:10:05 PM
ffs i bink two winners and still down on the day. obv i went big elsewhere which failed. I am a disgusting degen. Wp anyway fella.
Shudda backed it each way then you would have had less to degen elsewhere and more to come back!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 03, 2011, 05:11:44 PM
ffs i bink two winners and still down on the day. obv i went big elsewhere which failed. I am a disgusting degen. Wp anyway fella.
Shudda backed it each way then you would have had less to degen elsewhere and more to come back!!!!

rofl


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 03, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
ffs i bink two winners and still down on the day. obv i went big elsewhere which failed. I am a disgusting degen. Wp anyway fella.
Shudda backed it each way then you would have had less to degen elsewhere and more to come back!!!!

rofl

I will never back a 9/4 shot ew. NEVER!!! and i know you wish did it to bink. Don't lie to me!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
ffs i bink two winners and still down on the day. obv i went big elsewhere which failed. I am a disgusting degen. Wp anyway fella.
Shudda backed it each way then you would have had less to degen elsewhere and more to come back!!!!

rofl

I will never back a 9/4 shot ew. NEVER!!! and i know you wish did it to bink. Don't lie to me!
??? If you mean did I want it to finish second or third  David you are correct!! rotflmfao


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
 :(

Yesterday dropped Petra and Max off a Luton enroute to DTD, we got there nice and early as wanted to make sure they would be ok going through the check in as its the first time Petra has flown with Max and herself only and being as she was taking a suitcase full of presents plus her travel rucksack and the 2 piece pram which would need to be folded down to get through xray and then up again and carried down stairs to tarmac I  asked whether they could give her some help.

Obv in our health and safety concious world they said they could not hold the baby blah blah, so I said to Petra just find a fella and ask nicely.

Luckily the great people at Luton airport were really good and at the first passport control held Max and had an uber wide xray so the pram didnt need unfolding then in the departure lounge she asked someone if they could carry the pram to the tarmac for her and he said yes (bet he regrets it now) as it was miles to the tarmac and she said as they got to the boarding steps he was sweating like Vinny waiting for his Kebab at the end of an early night in a Luton Donakmnet.

They got there ok and her Mum met her at the airport so its just the return journey now in 10 days time...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on November 05, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
Sirius Prospect today or do you think it might have done enough this season what with the going becoming testing?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 11:01:05 AM
Day 1a report

Having got to Notts earlier than usual I checked out Blonde and saw Redarmi had tipped up a horse at C/Downs so invested £40 each way at 10/3  oi oi  thx Red!!

Loads of Southend players were up for day1a think i saw 10 up for the weekend and 2 made day 2 already alas one was not me.

Halfway through level 1 i get a text from "the stable jockey" see below and snap ask Bookiebasher if he can get me on with Ladbrokes but he cant so i leave the table 1500 chips to the good with 16500 and snap drive into Nottingham town centre parking on double yellows by the crowne plaza and run to Ladbrokes by Debenhams to get 11/2 about the horse i want to have £200 each way but know if i put it on one slip they are gonna ring it through and decline me so i put £75 each way and after 5 mins of them trying to find the price were on, i wait 5 mins and then go back to the other cashier who then gives the slip to her manager out the back and he rings it through returning saying "You have had your bet" no more  wtf.

So i run to William Hills and get the rest on at 5/1 no phone calls and arrive back at DTD having missed one lot of 25/50 and 50/100. My table is pretty good with only Jimmy (Chilis Bro) half decent and then i suddenly become table c/l when in 1 orbit I flop 2 sets one which turns to quads on the turn and get 3 streets of value with quads and stack the guy in a cooler with my set, unfortunately i then get moved..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
New Table

There are loads of chips on this table and they reckon 7-8 players already busted so i rock up to see what everyones about but unfortunately play 2 hands badly one where i overbet the river having got there when a smaller raise probs gets paid off then i make it 825 at 150/300 with  Qc Tc in mid pos and get flatted by the h/j and button when Tim Chung 3bets to 3100 having been the most agro on the table and me having a tight image for the hour i have been sat at the table i decide this is a good spot to 4b and in my head I'm making it 8700 unfortunately i slide an extra 5k over the line and obv try hard to conceal my dissapointment. As it goes this narrows my range even further due to stack sizes and when Tim jams i snap fold thinking i should have 30k now not the 25k in front of me, on the break i talk to him about the hand and he tells me he had Aces which is fair enough.

Coming back I hover for a while before my exit hand where a loose passive limps utg+2  i raise with  Kc Ks in mid pos and he flats tbh i butchered the rest of the hand as i decided to play it trappy and after we see a board of  9d 4d 6h with him c/r my cbet i decide the  4s is a great card for me so when he bets the turn i flat and on a  Qh river he sets me all in. As it goes i cannot win this hand anywhere post flop as am stacking off if I 4bet the flop but I feel plenty of the time he has a busted flush or worse 2pair hand and call insta mucking when he snap shows  4c 6c for the turned house..

Back today with my second satellite seat..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
SIRIUS PROSPECT!!

3.40 DONCASTER 
I am backing this eachway after a text convo this week with the stable jockey.

@Karabiner  it has one good run on good to soft but idk tbh

Convo goes:

Jockey - Sirius Prospect 3.40 Sat
Me - Yeah saw it was running and he is also taking Zafeens Pearl, i assume they really like Sirius even though up in grade?
Jockey - He is considered GROUP CLASS mate
Me - I checked out the runners and he might be fav
Jockey - I think he will be
Me - As long as he wins, I also see ******* entered Thurs at Kempton
Jockey - That wont run Thurs, they reckon Prospect will bolt up

next day
Me - Brilliant mate cant wait to see the price, i see Valid Reason and Zafeens are both still in
Jockey - Valid Reason N/R

Last night
Jockey - I have £200 on at 11/2
Me Cool now i know its strong if your having that much on
Jockey - Defo mate

Now those who have backed him the last 3 times like me have been rewarded at 18/1, 11/2 and 8/1 so this horse owes me not a penny, personally i wonder about the ground but have had a max bet of £200 each way and they dont send horses up that far without trying so i see this as an each way to nothing type bet!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on November 05, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
on.

one for the offical thread?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55617.0


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 11:57:28 AM
Superstitious ftw
I have not posted it up on betting and sports this year so not goons now but feel free to post the link to my page  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Raman on November 05, 2011, 12:06:51 PM
Excellent read, some of the degen exploits remind me of some stuff I have done. 

Some excellent tipping as well, good luck with the max bet today. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 05, 2011, 12:15:12 PM
GLGLGL @ dtd today mate hope u run as goooood as Sirius xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 12:24:47 PM
@Raman nice start so far keep up the good work  put some of your golden £££on

Gl girgles


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Raman on November 05, 2011, 01:21:23 PM
@Raman nice start so far keep up the good work  put some of your golden £££on

Gl girgles

I'd love to, but I am trying to get on something else in the same race. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 05, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
@Raman nice start so far keep up the good work  put some of your golden £££on

Gl girgles

I'd love to, but I am trying to get on something else in the same race. 

noooooooooo were doomed :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on November 05, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
Are you guys going e/w or on the nose?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 02:04:57 PM
Are you guys going e/w or on the nose?
each way 4me


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 05, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
On the nose for me...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 05, 2011, 03:46:14 PM
wp sir. wish i went bigger. lost my bottle. sometimes i wish i was more degen.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on November 05, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
Hats off!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on November 05, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Thank you again - another year that I don't have to explain to the kids that Santa is a degen :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Raman on November 05, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
Well played folks.  


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on November 05, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
oi oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii abs legend


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TightEnd on November 05, 2011, 03:49:08 PM
thanks Rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 05, 2011, 03:49:11 PM
BANG!

Dinner on me if you make Clacton Rich  ;letsparty;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 05, 2011, 03:49:36 PM
Wiiiiiiiii fackin love u rich


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 05, 2011, 03:50:44 PM
BOOOOOOOM FUCKING LEGEND

i owe u a drink or 10 mate xxx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 03:51:27 PM
Thank you again - another year that I don't have to explain to the kids that Santa is a degen :)

We have not had the xmas special yet!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
thanks Rich.
Wiiiiiiiiiii even tighty the hero knows the good things


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on November 05, 2011, 03:52:50 PM
Thank you again - another year that I don't have to explain to the kids that Santa is a degen :)

We have not had the xmas special yet!!!

OMG!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kukushkin88 on November 05, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
Thank you again - another year that I don't have to explain to the kids that Santa is a degen :)

haha nice.

Thank you Eso, top man


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on November 05, 2011, 03:53:48 PM
thanks Rich.

more for the Vegas fund Tighty?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on November 05, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
Immense effort from Sirius. WP Eso.

Kicking myself lately for never betting on anything mentioned on blonde.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 04:00:21 PM
Immense effort from Sirius. WP Eso.

Kicking myself lately for never betting on anything mentioned on blonde.
yeah considering the ground was a touch slow for him, could win some nice races next year after this break now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on November 05, 2011, 04:03:24 PM
Thanks rich, gl today first time ive bet on horses for 2 years, prob gunna start degening again.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on November 05, 2011, 04:06:45 PM
Thanks Rich. Many Thanks.

You going to Blackpool now?   ;letsparty; ;kneelsucker;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on November 05, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
ta eso


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2011, 04:34:08 PM
Thanks Rich. Many Thanks.

You going to Blackpool now?   ;letsparty; ;kneelsucker;
not sure depends on if my 18 team footed acca comes in to get me out of it  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on November 05, 2011, 05:02:45 PM
Read your excellent diary daily ever since tikay gave up on his ;)

TYVM for sharing your tips, absolute legend :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on November 05, 2011, 05:03:20 PM
Read your excellent diary daily ever since tikay gave up on his ;)

TYVM for sharing your tips, absolute legend :)

GO AWAY. Grown ups only here, please.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Claw75 on November 05, 2011, 05:27:19 PM
Whee - i never bet on horses but had a cheeky punt today :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on November 05, 2011, 06:18:35 PM
<3 Rich


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 11:53:40 AM
@ Everyone thanks for all the messages   so so glad he won as I know loads of blondes backed him.

DEEPSTACK DAY 2 REPORT
Had a really interesting table with loads a deepstack regs on it but managed to chip up to mid 20's without any difficulty then as the blinds went up ended up R/F a couple of spots where i was opening fairly light and on the 4th occasion i ended up calling a 3bet oop hj v button to Dwayne Quinn with AQ as 4bf was tez and the Q32 flop bought hope but after i donk led he jammed and i call off the other 4k to see his cowboys and were back to start stack.

With the blinds rising i went through the rubbish 30 down to 20 bb stage having been dealt junk and not find a spot to ship so nitted up and unfortunately the cards continued until at 2/400/25 i came back with a 6k bowl and the button and when it folded to me in the c/o i jammed 10/8o getting looked up by ginger anon with 88 but i raced well  ;) spiking a 10 on the flop and holding to get to 12700.

Rising in confidence i raised the next orbit utg+2 with  9h Qh to 950 and Lucky Mcbride calls from the BB and we see a floptastic  5h 8h 3d to which we cbet 1100 Lucky makes it 3100 and with my stack and the average at 25k jam hoping at worst he has A8 so our overs are live as well alas Lucky has 55 so the  Qs turn was a blank and a black river card sealed my fate for another deepstack.

Andy  R8APK King had made day 2 and came down to see if I wanted to go to the dogs with him which i did and I lost £140 on the night inc food taxis and betting forecasts and tri-casts and had some fun which was cool.
The only reason i had gone to the dogs was my first and only other bet of the weekend was an over goals bet on 5 teams which i had put £100 on all going onto the Fulham v Spurs match on sunday and the others had finished all in before 70 mins so was sweating a £1350 return from this to go with the £1200 profit form SIRIUS the wonder horse and i then decided to lay half my profit  by backing under 2 goals for £600 at 5/6 to gtee a good weekend, obv now i regret laying it but hey ho thats the 3rd bet in this year on over goals!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 12:14:04 PM
SUNDAY AT DTD

Railed Andy and Peter Wilkerson from Southend for a while and then sat in the £150 and had a lovely table although I was oop to Kev Lee from Southend who is like a nemesis v me but i chipped up elsewhere and when i called a raise from imo a pretty tez tourney reg at 50/100 and a flatter in between with  Th Td from the sb i know we stack him when it flops  Ahrt Ts 6d so after a check he cbets and the button flats so we flat as well to see a  2c and a bit more checking sees him pot commit himself with his next bet which the button now flats and we flat again to psb jam the river which was a 7 and he calls it off with A7 getting us to 25k with the average at 11k.

Unfortunately i dont seem to race very well and proceed to lose 8.5k aipf vs Kev when he raises ep i 3bet from the sb with  Ahrt Kh and call off his 4bet jam missing v  Td Tc, i then lose to a lady who joins the table short when rasing the hj with  Ac Qc losing to  8d 8h this was after doubling her up when i raise  Ks Kd she calls all in and the bb calls and then folds to a cbet on  5s 6s 2h and she gets there with  Aspades Ts until eventually with 13bigs and 40 players left a decent young lad utg+2 raises to 2.2bb and this gets flatted by Dave Barnes in the CO and we jam  7d Qd with just enough equity to get through unfortunately the kid makes a good call with ACES and we dont fill the flush draw on the river.

Sat next to Kathleen Padovani for all of Sunday and I know her and her daughter from Southend days and they have a really sucessful business and cant play the GUKPT this week and are serial satellite winners on a variety of sites so offered me the seat for a very very good price and due to the fact i had a winning weekend decided to purchase it from them but i am going to sell a small percentage if anyone will buy to cover my ex's and take a shot!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 07, 2011, 12:31:20 PM
Stick to nags, moustaches and footy imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: anthonyl on November 07, 2011, 01:48:34 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 01:53:54 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!
I run Essex Countryside the newest and best looking office in The Broadway but for 5 years previous ran Abbotts Countrywide till i bought the team across here with me a few months back.
Pop in anytime and say hi when your back.

Oh and ask your mum if she wants a lovely EC board outside her property  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on November 07, 2011, 02:20:17 PM
When you heading to Blackpool mate?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
When you heading to Blackpool mate?
Gonna go up early on friday morning unless i can wing it out of work early on Thursday and get up for the 6 max thurs night
You?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: anthonyl on November 07, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!
I run Essex Countryside the newest and best looking office in The Broadway but for 5 years previous ran Abbotts Countrywide till i bought the team across here with me a few months back.
Pop in anytime and say hi when your back.

Oh and ask your mum if she wants a lovely EC board outside her property  ;)

Haha her husband runs an estate agents too so not sure the board will go down well!

Opinions on buying leaseholds and service charges?

Do you have any RICS guys in your office? I audit real estate funds and is something I might do once qualified as an accountant (hopefully in feb!)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 03:33:36 PM

Haha her husband runs an estate agents too so not sure the board will go down well!

Opinions on buying leaseholds and service charges?

Do you have any RICS guys in your office? I audit real estate funds and is something I might do once qualified as an accountant (hopefully in feb!)
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No RICS guys were all unqualified and outsource to a local surveyor

Leasehold fine depends on freeholder   round here eg Pier Management or Burges Estates where your Mum lives are dodgy even some of the big houses like your Mums are leasehold!!
Average service charge round here is 1k now  dont buy with less than 75years on lease though unless its confirmed how much extension would be beforehand!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 07, 2011, 03:45:17 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 03:48:52 PM
77 pages and still can't quote properly

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 07, 2011, 03:58:04 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 07, 2011, 05:25:45 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!
I run Essex Countryside the newest and best looking office in The Broadway but for 5 years previous ran Abbotts Countrywide till i bought the team across here with me a few months back.
Pop in anytime and say hi when your back.

Oh and ask your mum if she wants a lovely EC board outside her property  ;)

Haha her husband runs an estate agents too so not sure the board will go down well!

Opinions on buying leaseholds and service charges?

Do you have any RICS guys in your office? I audit real estate funds and is something I might do once qualified as an accountant (hopefully in feb!)

I bought a flat 8 years ago.

Can't think of anything good to say about buying a leasehold property.

Expensive service charges, not greatly maintained etc. Much better to buy freehold, and not that much difference in terms of the deposit you would have to put down.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on November 07, 2011, 05:32:40 PM
This freehold/leasehold/service charge debate is confusing me!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 07, 2011, 07:05:30 PM
This freehold/leasehold/service charge debate is confusing me!



In what way son?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 08:00:43 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!
I run Essex Countryside the newest and best looking office in The Broadway but for 5 years previous ran Abbotts Countrywide till i bought the team across here with me a few months back.
Pop in anytime and say hi when your back.

Oh and ask your mum if she wants a lovely EC board outside her property  ;)

Haha her husband runs an estate agents too so not sure the board will go down well!

Opinions on buying leaseholds and service charges?

Do you have any RICS guys in your office? I audit real estate funds and is something I might do once qualified as an accountant (hopefully in feb!)

I bought a flat 8 years ago.

Can't think of anything good to say about buying a leasehold property.

Expensive service charges, not greatly maintained etc. Much better to buy freehold, and not that much difference in terms of the deposit you would have to put down.
True true but there are not many freehold flats and if you dont have the ££ or thats all you can get in the town you wish to reside in many would say its better to be on the ladder than off it!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on November 07, 2011, 08:22:46 PM
Just started reading. Bit off topic... I used to live on the broadway in Thorpe bay for like 7 years.

In London now but mum still lives in Thorpe bay. Which estate agents you run? Must be one on the broadway!!
I run Essex Countryside the newest and best looking office in The Broadway but for 5 years previous ran Abbotts Countrywide till i bought the team across here with me a few months back.
Pop in anytime and say hi when your back.

Oh and ask your mum if she wants a lovely EC board outside her property  ;)

Haha her husband runs an estate agents too so not sure the board will go down well!

Opinions on buying leaseholds and service charges?

Do you have any RICS guys in your office? I audit real estate funds and is something I might do once qualified as an accountant (hopefully in feb!)

I bought a flat 8 years ago.

Can't think of anything good to say about buying a leasehold property.

Expensive service charges, not greatly maintained etc. Much better to buy freehold, and not that much difference in terms of the deposit you would have to put down.
True true but there are not many freehold flats and if you dont have the ££ or thats all you can get in the town you wish to reside in many would say its better to be on the ladder than off it!!

thats why


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on November 07, 2011, 08:25:04 PM
and service charge doesnt = profit except for the managing agent who charges a fee


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
and service charge doesnt = profit except for the managing agent who charges a fee
I think what he meant Guy was that a lot of freeholders do naff all with the £1000 they receive ie cleaning the comm area once per week if your lucky, over our area a well known poker players family have an absolute lock on this kind of thing and make a mint out of being sharp and shrewd but mainly preying on people who dont know how to handle them.

We have houses worth £800k that are leasehold and you have to ask permission to change your windows and low and behold if you wish to do an extension they will try and get away with 25k to let you unless you use the correct solicitor who knows how to handle them.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on November 07, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
and service charge doesnt = profit except for the managing agent who charges a fee
I think what he meant Guy was that a lot of freeholders do naff all with the £1000 they receive ie cleaning the comm area once per week if your lucky, over our area a well known poker players family have an absolute lock on this kind of thing and make a mint out of being sharp and shrewd but mainly preying on people who dont know how to handle them.

We have houses worth £800k that are leasehold and you have to ask permission to change your windows and low and behold if you wish to do an extension they will try and get away with 25k to let you unless you use the correct solicitor who knows how to handle them.

oh, so essentially criminality?

Meh, dont want to generate a debate - it sounds like a local thing.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 08:51:56 PM
and service charge doesnt = profit except for the managing agent who charges a fee
I think what he meant Guy was that a lot of freeholders do naff all with the £1000 they receive ie cleaning the comm area once per week if your lucky, over our area a well known poker players family have an absolute lock on this kind of thing and make a mint out of being sharp and shrewd but mainly preying on people who dont know how to handle them.

We have houses worth £800k that are leasehold and you have to ask permission to change your windows and low and behold if you wish to do an extension they will try and get away with 25k to let you unless you use the correct solicitor who knows how to handle them.

oh, so essentially criminality?

Meh, dont want to generate a debate - it sounds like a local thing.
Not really criminality, sharp business practice but they have freehold all over the south east.
But yeah freehold ftw!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 07, 2011, 09:02:46 PM
Def not a local thing guy, hundreds of shady management companies, all over the UK. Even the non shady ones can be just useless. My management company have gone into administration. Hope they disappear.;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 09:03:39 PM
Thursday 14th November 1996

I remembered this story whilst at DTD this weekend when reading the post and they were talking about the Paddy Power meeting coming up this weekend

In 2days time i was supposed to going for my first visit to Cheltenham races for the November meeting with my Sunday football side, this was the first year of playing for them and we played top league in Birmingham on a Sunday infact even though it was Sunday footie we got paid to play and i got £40 per game and wasnt even one of the players on top ££  

They went to this meeting every year on a Beano and they always talked about it and having paid for my ticket was really looking forward to going but i was brassick and had no way of getting money, all I had to my name was £50 no where near enough so having bust out of the poker tourney at Stanley Walsall my last hope was the fruit machine by the cash desk.

Was one of those feature ones I think called Crown Jewells or something like, and i was down to my last few quid when i got on the feature and somehow mangled my way to the jackpot of £250 without collecting it or messing it up and i snap cashed it in and went home knowing i had enough for a good time at Cheltenham.......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 09:24:02 PM
Saturday 16th November 1996

What a day!

Picked up at 8.30am in Birmingham and then onto the coach to Cheltenham where at 10.30 in a little pub just outside of the town we stopped for a good old english breakfast and our first beer of the day.
The physio was a legend and always stood at the front of the coach apparently and gave his nap of the day and for the past 3 years had given a winner, this year he says "SPACE TRUCKER" was his nap!
On arrival in the pub we had brekkie and whilst supping the first guinness someone pointed out a little fella sat in the corner with some betting slips and The Sporting Life in front of him, i was told he was a bookie who would take our bets before racing and would be there to settle up when we went back for a meal after racing.

So Space Trucker was first on the slip along with Political Tower in the 3.10 Ayr and finally a Martin Pipe and Mccoy ridden horse called Kailash in the last at Cheltenham, I cant remember the exact odds but they were all slightly bigger than the returned odds and on my slip i decided to place 3 x £8 doubles and a £6 acca for a bit of interest.

Arriving at Cheltenham was awesome and we set about drinking in the Arkle bar, I had the first winner to set me up for the day then stayed in the bar till Space Truckers race and i still remember seeing him come cantering round the last before quickening clear made all the more sweet by a £30 each way course bet and the knowledge my earlier bet was up and running. I stayed out with one of the boys watching the 2.55 before making my way back to the Arkle Bar just in time to see Political Tower cross the line in front on the SIS screen so with one left to run i was gtd some ££ back and never even thought to work out how much i could win.

The lucky last at Cheltenham and I remember it so well with Mccoy virtually steeling the race as the tapes went up by jumping the start and pinching 15-20 lengths before giving Kailash a breather down the back and was never in danger and I fist pumped as I stood on the line watching him cross it.

Back in the Arkle bar all the boys knew and one of them worked it out and it came to over a grand for £30, now the only sweat was if the bookie would still be at the pub when we returned....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
There was a minor sweat as we got into the pub as the bookie was nowhere to be seen but the landlord was already holding the ££ for everyone and they must have been 50/50 on the winnings or in this case the losing as between the coach we took them for 5k and after having a lovely steak meal we headed back to Birmingham for a night out at "The Elbow Room" followed by a famous Birmingham Balti to finish the night off.

Obv i spunked half my winnings back the next day to Ladbrokes trying to pick winners at Cheltenham again but they can never take back your memories!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on November 07, 2011, 09:49:23 PM
Not sure mate, dads not been good and battling between getting away and doing something v being in right frame of mind....I'm going to think about it ;-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 07, 2011, 09:54:04 PM
Not sure mate, dads not been good and battling between getting away and doing something v being in right frame of mind....I'm going to think about it ;-)
There are always other Poker games mate!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 04:35:23 PM
ITS THAT BAD WERE TURNING TO DRINK IN THE OFFICE!!


(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8063/movemberday8.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/]

Not really but it is like pulling teeth here at the moment, most Novembers you have a little spurt of activity till the end of the month but despite tying up 2 sales in the first few days everyone seems to have gone into hibernation.
Really need 6 sales before the end of the month to be a par score!!

 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on November 08, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
ITS THAT BAD WERE TURNING TO DRINK IN THE OFFICE!!


(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8063/movemberday8.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/]

Not really but it is like pulling teeth here at the moment, most Novembers you have a little spurt of activity till the end of the month but despite tying up 2 sales in the first few days everyone seems to have gone into hibernation.
Really need 6 sales before the end of the month to be a par score!!


 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/)

It must be bad if you have to drink that £3.99 a bottle plonk.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 04:45:43 PM
ITS THAT BAD WERE TURNING TO DRINK IN THE OFFICE!!


(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8063/movemberday8.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/]

Not really but it is like pulling teeth here at the moment, most Novembers you have a little spurt of activity till the end of the month but despite tying up 2 sales in the first few days everyone seems to have gone into hibernation.
Really need 6 sales before the end of the month to be a par score!!


 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/movemberday8.jpg/)

It must be bad if you have to drink that £3.99 a bottle plonk.
We are in a recession!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 04:49:51 PM
MISSING THE FAMILY!

Spoke to Petra today they are all good and yesterday had a photo shoot done with Max's cousin who was born 1day after he was, and today in the inbox were the rough photo's pre photoshop.
Here are a few

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2875/maxq.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/maxq.jpg/]



[url=http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/maxandsabina.jpg/](http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8389/maxandsabina.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/214/maxandsabina.jpg/]

 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/maxq.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 04:52:48 PM
Petra and Max!

(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7530/petraandmax.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/petraandmax.jpg/]



[url=http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/petraandmax2.jpg/](http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7905/petraandmax2.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/petraandmax2.jpg/]

 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/petraandmax.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 08, 2011, 06:18:50 PM
Great photo's mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 07:14:19 PM
Great photo's mate
Thx Bud in the other 390 Max was crying as she was pulling his hat or pushing him..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 08, 2011, 07:25:37 PM
FOOTIE TONIGHT

Really fancied Oxford after seeing they had 15 shots on target and even the Southend Manager said they were outplayed on Saturday in a rematch but at Oxfords stadium tonight, then i read Oxford want to make loads of changes and can only make 6 so have decided to swerve it and instead have had a small treble on both teams to score

Oxford v Southend
Swindon v AFC Wimbledon
Cheltenham v Barnet


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 11, 2011, 11:24:04 AM
Blackpool Gukpt

Left Southend at 5am got here at 9am had breakfast and a walk along the prom, now going in  glow all blondes today esp Cambridge Al, Miiiiiiiitch and forthistle
oh and me and the stakers!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 11, 2011, 11:24:59 AM
gl today Eso.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 11, 2011, 11:25:36 AM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 11, 2011, 11:26:35 AM
gl today Eso.
the bud! How is new job?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 11, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on

The house on Crack away jack it is.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 11, 2011, 11:33:11 AM
gl today Eso.
the bud! How is new job?

Very quiet this week, but seems like it might be good in the future.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 11, 2011, 11:38:52 AM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on

Your laying Crack away Jack? Any particular reason?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on November 11, 2011, 11:42:59 AM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on

Kind off with you on this one TBH. don't think he's value laying at 9-2 but don't think he's very backable TBH.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: david3103 on November 11, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
Blackpool Gukpt

Left Southend at 5am got here at 9am had breakfast and a walk along the prom, now going in  glow all blondes today esp Cambridge Al, Miiiiiiiitch and forthistle
oh and me and the stakers!!

Run like Sirius Prospect IMO


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on November 11, 2011, 12:41:53 PM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on

Kind off with you on this one TBH. don't think he's value laying at 9-2 but don't think he's very backable TBH.

i've backed it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on November 11, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
I'm Laying

Crack away Jack today and if this does not win I shall lay a horse in the place market later on

Kind off with you on this one TBH. don't think he's value laying at 9-2 but don't think he's very backable TBH.

i've backed it.

Probably the right call TBH...seeing as I can't see him winning which probably means he'll bolt up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 11, 2011, 03:16:14 PM
Just tthought crack away will improve for todays run but glad it hit the fence on the hill


Now LAYED  Kiss a prince in the Place market at lingfield


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 11, 2011, 03:42:41 PM
GL today mate get the lot!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on November 11, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
ha he gave that a good ride, for you :)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 11, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
ha he gave that a good ride, for you :)


didn't see as at Blackpool   prey tell...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2011, 11:38:48 AM
Blackpool!!

Obv my TR is in the staking thread but have to say GL to George today when i joined his table he was with a similar stack to mine until one mans mistake lets him get his double through and obv these things can change your tourney.

George makes it 800 from roughly 6.5k at 2/400 and an old boy (see below) who has 100chips more than George flats in the c/o we see a flop of  9c 9s Ahrt and george cbets 1100 the old boys makes it 3000 and then calls off Georges shove with a chuckle to be shown  9h Th vs his  Aspades Js and due to the old boys mega tight nature and the way he had previously played a couple of hand if he shoves the c/o pre Chuckles said he folds  WAL

During my time on the table I was chatting to the fella who was from Birmingham and he told me he was terminally ill with Cancer and I said I had lost my Dad a couple of years ago to the disease also. What a top man he is and I'm sorry that I never got his name to mention him not that he obv reads my diary but he said he was diagnosed terminal but has benefitted from an extra 3 years so far with whatever they are doing for him or maybe his own positive attitude, and basically he now does what he wants which means playing poker events wherever he can.

Hats off to you sir, a pleasure meeting you and I sincerely hope you carry on a good time yet......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 12, 2011, 03:57:46 PM
Unlucky in Blackpool pal bring on Monte

[ ] will buy again..  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 12, 2011, 04:37:44 PM
What's happening with the £100k challenge?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2011, 04:41:07 PM
What's happening with the £100k challenge?
Didnt see anything this weekend as still on bullet 6 and got 326.31 to put on over 2 goals next weekend, dont worry!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 14, 2011, 01:11:42 AM
What's happening with the £100k challenge?
Didnt see anything this weekend as still on bullet 6 and got 326.31 to put on over 2 goals next weekend, dont worry!!

tipper currently in vegas  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 09:28:13 AM
What's happening with the £100k challenge?
Didnt see anything this weekend as still on bullet 6 and got 326.31 to put on over 2 goals next weekend, dont worry!!

tipper currently in vegas  ;)
tell him to stop faffing around and get back here then!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 10:03:48 AM
POST BLACKPOOL!

After getting KO'd drove straight back down worked Saturday and then Sunday tidied up the house as Petra and Maxwell were flying back and picked up the dog from the kennels before driving over to meet Celtic for a coffee and a chat late afternoon.

We met at "The Marriot" Waltham Abbey which is where Vinny tells me all the footballers meet up [ ] we sure looked like premier league footballers. Vinny was telling me about his new job which sounds very interesting and his staking deal and I hope that works out for him.
I wanted to bounce a few ideas off him and there is a lot of him to bounce off so that worked well and in a way I think he may have inspired me and the family to do something next year that would mean a massive life/career change but first i need to write a plan of action before finally deciding on this.

Obviously when it came to settling the bill Vinny hung back as we stood up from the table but tokenly put his hand towards his pocket as the barman printed off the bill alas this was only to pull out his cigarettes in readiness for a smoke and yet again Vinny faded paying  WAL.

I then drove to Luton and picked up the family which was  :) and Maxwell although suffering from a throat virus was uber pleased to see me and even seemed to like the tache, Petra hates it on the other hand but you cant win them all can you. It was great to have them home and I can get back to eating healthier now as I was double lazy whilst away.

Maxwell has this infection and a cold and over in Slovakia they have this contraption that attaches to the hoover and then a tube attaches to that with a small end piece that once the hoover is turned on sucks all the catarrh and mucus out, Max hates it and cries but it defo is +ev and after just seeing the difference in breathing you can see its worth it.  
Here is one
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1336/babyhoover.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/]

 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 10:13:49 AM
WORK!

Is pretty rubbish atm deals being lost as buyers try to reneg at the very end of transaction and also a general lack of activity from buyers who seem to have gone into hibernation till next year already and this is a trend that has now happened for a couple of years however it used to be at the end of November and now its the beginning. A typical day is now  3-5 viewings, some daily canvassing of homes to try and get them on the market with us, get an offer at £440k with the house having been on the market for 3 days at £450k and the vendor wants his asking price ( he will regret this obv when in 3 months time having declined it against our advice he then only gets offers at £425k and then turns to you and says "I wish i listened to you in November") and try to save a deal where the buyer 1 week before exchange pleads poverty due to the stock market dropping and no longer has £325 cash for the bungalow he wishes to buy but only £315k and are the vendors ok with that?

This is really influencing what i may look to do next year so watch this space...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 15, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
Have you ever been asked to go on homes under the hammer?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 10:25:26 AM
Have you ever been asked to go on homes under the hammer?
Lol no not yet and for most of my career the firm I worked for would have refused to go on there but who i work for now would not mind. I would love to see episodes of these not from 2000-2006 where any monkey could have made £££ from property but from 2008-2010 when the arsehole fell out of the market especially people who legally completed on properties from the 3rd qtr to end 2007 that would be interesting!!

You ever been on crimewatch?  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 10:27:43 AM
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1230/dreenie.png)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/dreenie.png/][img width=600 height=79]

DREENIE itt  wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/dreenie.png/)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 15, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
Have you ever been asked to go on homes under the hammer?
Lol no not yet and for most of my career the firm I worked for would have refused to go on there but who i work for now would not mind. I would love to see episodes of these not from 2000-2006 where any monkey could have made £££ from property but from 2008-2010 when the arsehole fell out of the market especially people who legally completed on properties from the 3rd qtr to end 2007 that would be interesting!!

You ever been on crimewatch?  ;)

keep watching you never know ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 15, 2011, 11:15:38 AM
[Lol no not yet and for most of my career the firm I worked for would have refused to go on there but who i work for now would not mind. I would love to see episodes of these not from 2000-2006 where any monkey could have made £££ from property but from 2008-2010 when the arsehole fell out of the market especially people who legally completed on properties from the 3rd qtr to end 2007 that would be interesting!!You ever been on crimewatch?  ;)

Lol, around the time i bought my house with a tastey 7.7% fixed. i run sooooooo good.
[ x ] was happy when my 3 yr fixed ended
[  ] got a rate below 4.5%


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on November 15, 2011, 04:34:10 PM
POST BLACKPOOL!

After getting KO'd drove straight back down worked Saturday and then Sunday tidied up the house as Petra and Maxwell were flying back and picked up the dog from the kennels before driving over to meet Celtic for a coffee and a chat late afternoon.

We met at "The Marriot" Waltham Abbey which is where Vinny tells me all the footballers meet up [ ] we sure looked like premier league footballers. Vinny was telling me about his new job which sounds very interesting and his staking deal and I hope that works out for him.
I wanted to bounce a few ideas off him and there is a lot of him to bounce off so that worked well and in a way I think he may have inspired me and the family to do something next year that would mean a massive life/career change but first i need to write a plan of action before finally deciding on this.

Obviously when it came to settling the bill Vinny hung back as we stood up from the table but tokenly put his hand towards his pocket as the barman printed off the bill alas this was only to pull out his cigarettes in readiness for a smoke and yet again Vinny faded paying  WAL.

I then drove to Luton and picked up the family which was  :) and Maxwell although suffering from a throat virus was uber pleased to see me and even seemed to like the tache, Petra hates it on the other hand but you cant win them all can you. It was great to have them home and I can get back to eating healthier now as I was double lazy whilst away.

Maxwell has this infection and a cold and over in Slovakia they have this contraption that attaches to the hoover and then a tube attaches to that with a small end piece that once the hoover is turned on sucks all the catarrh and mucus out, Max hates it and cries but it defo is +ev and after just seeing the difference in breathing you can see its worth it.  
Here is one
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1336/babyhoover.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/]


 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/)
really? this seems a bit harsh


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
POST BLACKPOOL!

After getting KO'd drove straight back down worked Saturday and then Sunday tidied up the house as Petra and Maxwell were flying back and picked up the dog from the kennels before driving over to meet Celtic for a coffee and a chat late afternoon.

We met at "The Marriot" Waltham Abbey which is where Vinny tells me all the footballers meet up [ ] we sure looked like premier league footballers. Vinny was telling me about his new job which sounds very interesting and his staking deal and I hope that works out for him.
I wanted to bounce a few ideas off him and there is a lot of him to bounce off so that worked well and in a way I think he may have inspired me and the family to do something next year that would mean a massive life/career change but first i need to write a plan of action before finally deciding on this.

Obviously when it came to settling the bill Vinny hung back as we stood up from the table but tokenly put his hand towards his pocket as the barman printed off the bill alas this was only to pull out his cigarettes in readiness for a smoke and yet again Vinny faded paying  WAL.

I then drove to Luton and picked up the family which was  :) and Maxwell although suffering from a throat virus was uber pleased to see me and even seemed to like the tache, Petra hates it on the other hand but you cant win them all can you. It was great to have them home and I can get back to eating healthier now as I was double lazy whilst away.

Maxwell has this infection and a cold and over in Slovakia they have this contraption that attaches to the hoover and then a tube attaches to that with a small end piece that once the hoover is turned on sucks all the catarrh and mucus out, Max hates it and cries but it defo is +ev and after just seeing the difference in breathing you can see its worth it.  
Here is one
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1336/babyhoover.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/]


 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/)
really? this seems a bit harsh
what the nasal hoover bit or me paying yet again for Vinny?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on November 15, 2011, 05:40:17 PM
Nice Meeting you on Friday Rich...

GL withn the new venture.

( ) Loved the Tip we got.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on November 15, 2011, 06:10:14 PM
POST BLACKPOOL!

After getting KO'd drove straight back down worked Saturday and then Sunday tidied up the house as Petra and Maxwell were flying back and picked up the dog from the kennels before driving over to meet Celtic for a coffee and a chat late afternoon.

We met at "The Marriot" Waltham Abbey which is where Vinny tells me all the footballers meet up [ ] we sure looked like premier league footballers. Vinny was telling me about his new job which sounds very interesting and his staking deal and I hope that works out for him.
I wanted to bounce a few ideas off him and there is a lot of him to bounce off so that worked well and in a way I think he may have inspired me and the family to do something next year that would mean a massive life/career change but first i need to write a plan of action before finally deciding on this.

Obviously when it came to settling the bill Vinny hung back as we stood up from the table but tokenly put his hand towards his pocket as the barman printed off the bill alas this was only to pull out his cigarettes in readiness for a smoke and yet again Vinny faded paying  WAL.

I then drove to Luton and picked up the family which was  :) and Maxwell although suffering from a throat virus was uber pleased to see me and even seemed to like the tache, Petra hates it on the other hand but you cant win them all can you. It was great to have them home and I can get back to eating healthier now as I was double lazy whilst away.

Maxwell has this infection and a cold and over in Slovakia they have this contraption that attaches to the hoover and then a tube attaches to that with a small end piece that once the hoover is turned on sucks all the catarrh and mucus out, Max hates it and cries but it defo is +ev and after just seeing the difference in breathing you can see its worth it.  
Here is one
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1336/babyhoover.jpg)][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/]


 (http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/babyhoover.jpg/)
really? this seems a bit harsh
what the nasal hoover bit or me paying yet again for Vinny?
spike up the hooter seems harsh... vinny not paying seems std lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 15, 2011, 06:55:55 PM
I've been off the forum of late just deciding which page to start from ffs 80 odd !!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2011, 07:47:40 PM
I've been off the forum of late just deciding which page to start from ffs 80 odd !!!
imo start from page 1  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 11:56:05 AM
NOT A TIP JUST A HORSE I FANCY!!!

EACH WAY (unless your Milligan)

3.25 Fairyhouse - MEITHEAMH  11/2 VC  4's or 9/2 elsewhere.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: phatbhoy on November 16, 2011, 02:47:39 PM
Just read all 80 pages, incred read! Anymore degen stories?

Gone for your horse in 3.25...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:03:54 PM
Just read all 80 pages, incred read! Anymore degen stories?

Gone for your horse in 3.25...
Ty  let you know around 330pm ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 16, 2011, 03:10:28 PM
Had a small flutter post result rich I won't know where to find it else


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:27:30 PM
Had a small flutter post result rich I won't know where to find it else
looking at the odds we need a miracle mate its on the slide!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 16, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
Had a small flutter post result rich I won't know where to find it else
looking at it run we need a miracle mate its on the slide!!

FYP! Lol thought it was having a fit at one point!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 16, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2011, 03:46:32 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?

I wish thats all i did. End thread plz. if you don't hear from me its because i've topped myself.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done £2k on a donkey?
fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 16, 2011, 03:47:04 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?

Sorry Lee but Im pretty sure I saw it licking one of the other horses at one point.
Was up there till 4 furlongs out then died


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:48:01 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?

I wish thats all i did. End thread plz. if you don't hear from me its because i've topped myself.
lol you give someone a loser......
ps never posting in that other thread  1st post and it boks the thread


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 16, 2011, 03:51:53 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?

Sorry Lee but Im pretty sure I saw it licking one of the other horses at one point.
Was up there till 4 furlongs out then died
Wtf is a furlong ......
It's ok rich was closer to my actual stake...lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:52:44 PM
I take it from the last posts ive just done 2k on a donkey?

Sorry Lee but Im pretty sure I saw it licking one of the other horses at one point.
Was up there till 4 furlongs out then died
Wtf is a furlong ......
It's ok rich was closer to my actual stake...lol
It's about the distance we got beat by!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 16, 2011, 03:56:57 PM
Lol why the fuck did stu not put meters or feet yards or .... Miles by the sound of it

The bookie thought I was a bit of twat just shown him rich's post And handed over the wedge wondered why he laughed at me now it's quite obvious


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 03:59:23 PM
Lol why the fuck did stu not put meters or feet yards or .... Miles by the sound of it

The bookie thought I was a bit of twat just shown him rich's post And handed over the wedge wondered why he laughed at me now it's quite obvious

1furlong = 1/8th of a mile

ps you have a trusting bookie that lets you hand over the wedge after the race!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 16, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
Lol why the fuck did stu not put meters or feet yards or .... Miles by the sound of it

The bookie thought I was a bit of twat just shown him rich's post And handed over the wedge wondered why he laughed at me now it's quite obvious

1furlong = 1/8th of a mile

ps you have a trusting bookie that lets you hand over the wedge after the race!
Your original post with thetipsorry horse you fancy


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 16, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2011, 04:12:43 PM
Is Clacton the Eso Xmas cracker that my kid's pressies are relying on??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 04:14:55 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available
Hey bud   how u getting on in hossy or you out now?
Which day did you say would be best for me again, you know the beginners night?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
Is Clacton the Eso Xmas cracker that my kid's pressies are relying on??
lol David you know you will be one the first to know the xmas cracker!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2011, 04:20:16 PM
Is Clacton the Eso Xmas cracker that my kid's pressies are relying on??
lol David you know you will be one the first to know the xmas cracker!!

Can't wait for this
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c3QO1YXtcyk/SAhngOmqEfI/AAAAAAAAA1M/i6mISdRak_Y/s320/Cream_crackers.JPG)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on November 16, 2011, 04:20:44 PM
Is Clacton the Eso Xmas cracker that my kid's pressies are relying on??
lol David you know you will be one the first to know the xmas cracker!!

Can I be the second please :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
Is Clacton the Eso Xmas cracker that my kid's pressies are relying on??
lol David you know you will be one the first to know the xmas cracker!!

Can I be the second please :)
oi your working on 2014 presents now  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 16, 2011, 04:55:16 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available
Hey bud   how u getting on in hossy or you out now?
Which day did you say would be best for me again, you know the beginners night?

Home now, they only kept me in for 4 days and was released on good behaviour. Not much else they could do once I'd been blasted with steroids, had mri on brain/spinal cord (they did find a brain).

The Saturday night is a £100 that starts at 8pm with 15k chips 30min clock. Not sure how many runners it will get as I've never been before and don't know how many locals play. I think it would be worth winning though. The sunday is a £50 with 10k chips and 30min clock again.

I'm guessing Saturday would be good for your brownie points as it would mean you being still able to spend the day with Petra and Max before heading off to get the xmas fund topped up :D




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 05:05:40 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available
Hey bud   how u getting on in hossy or you out now?
Which day did you say would be best for me again, you know the beginners night?

Home now, they only kept me in for 4 days and was released on good behaviour. Not much else they could do once I'd been blasted with steroids, had mri on brain/spinal cord (they did find a brain).

The Saturday night is a £100 that starts at 8pm with 15k chips 30min clock. Not sure how many runners it will get as I've never been before and don't know how many locals play. I think it would be worth winning though. The sunday is a £50 with 10k chips and 30min clock again.

I'm guessing Saturday would be good for your brownie points as it would mean you being still able to spend the day with Petra and Max before heading off to get the xmas fund topped up :D



Glad it went well and your back out now..
Saturday is ney good now as I forgot I have an 888seat to their deepstack tourney in London on 26th which is a 2 day job but if i dont make day2 will defo come for the Sunday night as already have the pass out anyway :) 
pm me your number and i will bell you on the Saturday to get address mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 16, 2011, 05:34:13 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available
Hey bud   how u getting on in hossy or you out now?
Which day did you say would be best for me again, you know the beginners night?

Home now, they only kept me in for 4 days and was released on good behaviour. Not much else they could do once I'd been blasted with steroids, had mri on brain/spinal cord (they did find a brain).

The Saturday night is a £100 that starts at 8pm with 15k chips 30min clock. Not sure how many runners it will get as I've never been before and don't know how many locals play. I think it would be worth winning though. The sunday is a £50 with 10k chips and 30min clock again.

I'm guessing Saturday would be good for your brownie points as it would mean you being still able to spend the day with Petra and Max before heading off to get the xmas fund topped up :D



Glad it went well and your back out now..
Saturday is ney good now as I forgot I have an 888seat to their deepstack tourney in London on 26th which is a 2 day job but if i dont make day2 will defo come for the Sunday night as already have the pass out anyway :) 
pm me your number and i will bell you on the Saturday to get address mate.

Ah right well hope you ship that, not sure what is on Sunday night but we'll obv all be there until Monday. Alex and another lad are hopefully coming down for the weekend too so should be good fun.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
Missed all the fun today it seems :D

You said to drop you a reminder about Clacton nearer the time and we're getting close to timeeeeeeeeeeee if you're available
Hey bud   how u getting on in hossy or you out now?
Which day did you say would be best for me again, you know the beginners night?

Home now, they only kept me in for 4 days and was released on good behaviour. Not much else they could do once I'd been blasted with steroids, had mri on brain/spinal cord (they did find a brain).

The Saturday night is a £100 that starts at 8pm with 15k chips 30min clock. Not sure how many runners it will get as I've never been before and don't know how many locals play. I think it would be worth winning though. The sunday is a £50 with 10k chips and 30min clock again.

I'm guessing Saturday would be good for your brownie points as it would mean you being still able to spend the day with Petra and Max before heading off to get the xmas fund topped up :D



Glad it went well and your back out now..
Saturday is ney good now as I forgot I have an 888seat to their deepstack tourney in London on 26th which is a 2 day job but if i dont make day2 will defo come for the Sunday night as already have the pass out anyway :) 
pm me your number and i will bell you on the Saturday to get address mate.

Ah right well hope you ship that, not sure what is on Sunday night but we'll obv all be there until Monday. Alex and another lad are hopefully coming down for the weekend too so should be good fun.


me thinks there is 2 day 1's for the 888 comp so will check and if so change to fri and drive over and play the sat night   let u know next day or so!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 16, 2011, 05:49:59 PM
me thinks there is 2 day 1's for the 888 comp so will check and if so change to fri and drive over and play the sat night   let u know next day or so!!

Cool I'll send you my number now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 16, 2011, 11:41:58 PM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 12:16:45 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

what does it involve?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 17, 2011, 12:36:31 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

what does it involve?

winning at pokers


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 12:44:32 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

what does it involve?

winning at pokers

online? Live?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 17, 2011, 12:45:40 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

what does it involve?

winning at pokers

online? Live?

both


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Solaris on November 17, 2011, 12:50:14 AM
Helpful as ever Mr. Hou.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 12:59:32 AM

ok cheers


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2011, 05:54:37 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

I'll join if ya struggle to make up a team, never been to vegas before but if the legend Eso Kral is joining and going to vegas then i don't want to miss out..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 17, 2011, 08:54:32 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?

I'll join if ya struggle to make up a team, never been to vegas before but if the legend Eso Kral is joining and going to vegas then i don't want to miss out..

i need to see what its all about first saw ppl doing it so kinda want to join in


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2011, 09:59:48 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?
yeah mate I'm in


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 10:00:40 AM
do u wanna do this team vegas thing with me ? need to get a few more players tho?
yeah mate I'm in

interested


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 17, 2011, 10:22:09 AM
ok

me
eso
leatherman
girgy

paul's ho

lets goooooooooooooooooooo

i will try and sort it all out when ever i m ready and tell you what we need to do

and what we get out of it etc etc etc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 10:24:59 AM
http://www.lasvegasteamchallenge.com/about-lvtc/

all info here captain

need to sign upto encore now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2011, 10:25:34 AM
ok

me
eso
leatherman
girgy

paul's ho

lets goooooooooooooooooooo

i will try and sort it all out when ever i m ready and tell you what we need to do

and what we get out of it etc etc etc
I just had a quick look, seems straightforward and we have a couple of days to sort it out.
Make sure we do it through POKER ENCORE using GREEKSTEIN so we get his offer of £10 to the update fund.
Did I make it clear

POKER ENCORE


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 17, 2011, 11:12:45 AM
Lets fackin do this... wiiiiiiiiiivegasbabyiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 17, 2011, 11:59:54 AM
Girgles can you play cos u work mainly evenings right?




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 17, 2011, 12:18:36 PM
Girgles can you play cos u work mainly evenings right?


Yea i checked the dates are mainly Monday and Thursday so can play ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on November 17, 2011, 12:51:58 PM
In for first reserve.


Gogogo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 18, 2011, 04:32:36 PM
will sort out tomorrow guys when i have time


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2011, 11:00:07 AM
HORSE TODAY!!

I really really fancy  ZAFEENS PEARL in the 2.25 Lingfield today and have already taken some prices bigger than the 11/2 that was available this morning.

I spoke to the stable jockey via text but he is away and has been for 10days so didnt know too much but we both agreed it has a chance.

IMO and i stress IMO this horse ran ok at Donny in the race after Sirius Prospect had done the business for us a few weeks ago and I have been waiting for this to come out since, it got bumped a few out and then had no chance but back on the all weather i expect a better performance. The way the horse ran at Wolverhampton on its last win it was value for much more than the distance but this horse does not want to hit the front too early and Shane Kelly gets a great tune out of it.

If you like to back to lay again IMO i think this represents a chance as the horse travels really well in its races and i can see it travelling well into the straight and trading a lot shorter in running but obviously i hope it WINS!!!!

Im on for about £150 each way.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on November 19, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
Ding ding, all aboard.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 19, 2011, 12:24:25 PM
Helpful as ever Mr. Hou.

found   a staker yet?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 19, 2011, 12:29:26 PM
Helpful as ever Mr. Hou.

found   a staker yet?

sorted this team challenge thing yet?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on November 19, 2011, 12:41:36 PM
HORSE TODAY!!

I really really fancy  ZAFEENS PEARL in the 2.25 Lingfield today and have already taken some prices bigger than the 11/2 that was available this morning.

I spoke to the stable jockey via text but he is away and has been for 10days so didnt know too much but we both agreed it has a chance.

IMO and i stress IMO this horse ran ok at Donny in the race after Sirius Prospect had done the business for us a few weeks ago and I have been waiting for this to come out since, it got bumped a few out and then had no chance but back on the all weather i expect a better performance. The way the horse ran at Wolverhampton on its last win it was value for much more than the distance but this horse does not want to hit the front too early and Shane Kelly gets a great tune out of it.

If you like to back to lay again IMO i think this represents a chance as the horse travels really well in its races and i can see it travelling well into the straight and trading a lot shorter in running but obviously i hope it WINS!!!!

Im on for about £150 each way.

I have backed £75 each way. WBN to win.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 19, 2011, 12:43:17 PM
HORSE TODAY!!

I really really fancy  ZAFEENS PEARL in the 2.25 Lingfield today and have already taken some prices bigger than the 11/2 that was available this morning.

I spoke to the stable jockey via text but he is away and has been for 10days so didnt know too much but we both agreed it has a chance.

IMO and i stress IMO this horse ran ok at Donny in the race after Sirius Prospect had done the business for us a few weeks ago and I have been waiting for this to come out since, it got bumped a few out and then had no chance but back on the all weather i expect a better performance. The way the horse ran at Wolverhampton on its last win it was value for much more than the distance but this horse does not want to hit the front too early and Shane Kelly gets a great tune out of it.

If you like to back to lay again IMO i think this represents a chance as the horse travels really well in its races and i can see it travelling well into the straight and trading a lot shorter in running but obviously i hope it WINS!!!!

Im on for about £150 each way.

I have backed £75 each way. WBN to win.

on for a nifty e/w lets gogogogo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 19, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
Helpful as ever Mr. Hou.

found   a staker yet?

sorted this team challenge thing yet?

see pm


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 19, 2011, 12:47:50 PM
nifty ew


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 19, 2011, 01:42:38 PM
I'm on pal £40 e/w and as i've just donked out of BBL @ dtd if this wins i'm going in the satelite for 1K highroller.. #letsspinitup


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2011, 01:45:49 PM
I'm on pal £40 e/w and as i've just donked out of BBL @ dtd if this wins i'm going in the satelite for 1K highroller.. #letsspinitup
GLGLGLGL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on November 19, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
£40 ew.

Let's gogogogo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Ant040689 on November 19, 2011, 02:40:05 PM
Ooooops


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 19, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
obv not playing 1K high roller... lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2011, 02:45:10 PM
obv not playing 1K high roller... lol
nah sos m8 it finished 4th didnt see the race but B/F it didnt trade shorter until in final furlong!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 19, 2011, 02:56:20 PM
Glad I've got a hangover .... Saved me another 2kloss£2


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 20, 2011, 10:52:33 AM
Had a major SIGH on the footie y/day

Did a £20 acca on my usual over 2 goals and 1 match let me down for £16k

and on my smaller slip Donny Rovers failure to score cost another monkey for £20

Maybe next week!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on November 20, 2011, 11:34:54 AM
Had a major SIGH on the footie y/day

Did a £20 acca on my usual over 2 goals and 1 match let me down for £16k

and on my smaller slip Donny Rovers failure to score cost another monkey for £20

Maybe next week!!
die Donny Rovers :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
Had a major SIGH on the footie y/day

Did a £20 acca on my usual over 2 goals and 1 match let me down for £16k

and on my smaller slip Donny Rovers failure to score cost another monkey for £20

Maybe next week!!

how many matches for the £16k?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 20, 2011, 02:17:02 PM
Had a major SIGH on the footie y/day

Did a £20 acca on my usual over 2 goals and 1 match let me down for £16k

and on my smaller slip Donny Rovers failure to score cost another monkey for £20

Maybe next week!!

how many matches for the £16k?
11 that stood out, I dont mind as I was swimming against the tide away from the 1/2 shots on overs and would have felt worse but the 10th result came in and that was a lose then the 11th match got a goal in the 90th min to rub it in!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 21, 2011, 01:22:05 PM
OFFICE NEWS

November is not bad so far we are currently top office out of the 3 on sales and a further 3 deals will mean we can lock it away as a good month going into December, also Laura in the office has told us that she is pregnant which is great as she is a lovely girl and will make a great Mum but sad as she is our best sales negotiator so the search to find her replacement will start early next year!!

Cant wait to play some live pokerz and this week am playing the 888 deestack tourney at the Mint casino in London and then next weekend its the monthly venture up to DTD.

I also had a long chat with Petra this weekend about us setting up the business we have been thinking of for 6months and were going to put things into place at the end of the year to get the ball rolling which involves putting one of our flats up for sale in the new year so we can release the capital and give it a real shot!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 21, 2011, 03:10:44 PM
Good end to the month by all accounts then, just need Shane Kelly to get us paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid again this week and it's gold :)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 21, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
Good end to the month by all accounts then, just need Shane Kelly to get us paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid again this week and it's gold :)


I reckon will defo be there on Saturday so if you can ping me the address twould be good, nice to see you got out of your sporting hole the weekend  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 21, 2011, 05:57:51 PM
We all reg'd for tonight? Add me on skype team Ho. Girgy85.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 21, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
We all reg'd for tonight? Add me on skype team Ho. Girgy85.

In..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 21, 2011, 07:04:46 PM
We all reg'd for tonight? Add me on skype team Ho. Girgy85.

In..

Were all reg'd lets dooooooo this.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on November 22, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Noticed you bust in the rebuy period. Done the lot?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 22, 2011, 01:12:48 AM
Noticed you bust in the rebuy period. Done the lot?

Tatical


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 22, 2011, 07:02:38 AM
Busto


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 22, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
Noticed you bust in the rebuy period. Done the lot?
Lol rumours of busto'dness as predicted on page 1 or 2 of this diary by Milligan are not true, unfortunately I got in late from a managers meeting at 7.20 and reg'd but went to deposit and the card i use for all poker accounts had been used on Encore a couple of years back but has since changed and it wouldnt let me update the smae card number with a diff expiry date so it was a major fml moment and just donked out early.

Sorry to disappoint but i wont be busto till at least February!!

Were you on my table George?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on November 22, 2011, 12:54:18 PM
was on a lot of tables as I rallied to 5th


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 22, 2011, 01:23:48 PM
was on a lot of tables as I rallied to 5th
wpwpwp  whats ur sn? if its not secret as i didnt hang around long enough to look out for peeps


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 22, 2011, 03:20:25 PM
Good end to the month by all accounts then, just need Shane Kelly to get us paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid again this week and it's gold :)


I reckon will defo be there on Saturday so if you can ping me the address twould be good, nice to see you got out of your sporting hole the weekend  ;)

Ah that's great news, I'll get it and PM you once I have it. A few of us are going for dinner before the comp starts so won't be there until it kicks off, let us know if you fancy it as I haven't booked a table yet.

The weekend was a disaster, I had Chelsea let me down on football and then 2 NFL accumulators riding on the Giants both outright and -6. They managed to lose the game so I got ironed out for the lot, I could have greened up for a couple hundred either way but I went for the lot to get out and it went south. I've been due a bad weekend though so not the end of the world


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: welsh1980 on November 22, 2011, 09:20:46 PM
Just finished reading brilliant story m8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 23, 2011, 09:04:13 AM
Just finished reading brilliant story m8
TYVM hopefully it does not end on thi spage and I'm gonna do a big bink somewhere!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 23, 2011, 10:11:04 AM
My Drive to work!

Took a couple of photos on my phone on the way to work today, the first one is the estuary with to the right the Westcliff Casino which is one of the venues for the Genting tour next year and the second one is a distant shot of Southend Pier which is the longest pier in the world at 1.34 miles!!

Probs should be in Red's or Tikay's diary!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 23, 2011, 10:12:39 AM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 23, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
WAL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 25, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
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A xmas cracker.  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 26, 2011, 09:55:56 AM
Bust out of the 888 Superstack event in london in level 8 will update more later but got busy day at work today.

Also cant make Clacton tonight with Marky147 and Alex Mfckin Martin so gonna have to stay local tonight as Petra needs the motor  :(

Am having my next bet on my Challenge on over 2.5 goals in the Stevenage vs Walsall match so gl me


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on November 26, 2011, 11:40:02 AM
Bust out of the 888 Superstack event in london in level 8 will update more later but got busy day at work today.

Also cant make Clacton tonight with Marky147 and Alex Mfckin Martin so gonna have to stay local tonight as Petra needs the motor  :(

Am having my next bet on my Challenge on over 2.5 goals in the Stevenage vs Walsall match so gl me

gl gl

how much is on it ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 10:34:16 AM
Managed to cadge a lift to Luton from a Southend Local and decided to play their monthly £75 tourney which Vinny chopped last month so it cant be that hard  ;)  drew the nut seat ip to this guy who has to play every pot and even though its a tourney open straddles cos he is bored, unfortunately i couldnt find anything to best him with so others managed to get his discs within 2 levels.

I didnt really get started in the comp until level 4 when 3 betting a passive chinaman's open with  8d Kd and flopping  Kh 8h 2d which he donk led and i flatted turned the house flatted again and took him to value town on the  Ahrt river to nearly double through, with plenty of chippies and a soft table i got busy thanks to the excellent railing of Scillidonk who had got trappy and was now killing some time before the blackjack got him. I taught him a new more exciting way of opening up your cards and also how to expertly play  3s Ts from utg+1 and he showed me that he has no standards on the women front eyeing up someone who looked like this in fact her outfit probs cost £8.99 but she was only wearing £5.99 of it!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 11:10:19 AM
To be fair Donk is a legendary railer as he obv gets lots of practice, and i showed him how to take beats and hand them out accordingly and just sit and suck it up after
my  Qh Kh loses to  Qd Td and  Ahrt Kh v  Jc Qd but i had my luck with Jacks beating Kings and  Jd Kc otb beating a shorties shove with Qd Kh

TBH i could have been out the tourney a couple of times before all this with a granite who folded  Ahrt Kd having cold called a 4 bet folding to an overbet shove on  Kc 3s 2h and showing so when i 3b the button to imo the only other decent player on the table with  7h Th and picking up the rock of gibraltar in the bb and the o/r i had just under a pot sized bet left which having seen them both check check jammed on a 6 high dd board and he dwell folds  Td Tc.

I ran well in the last level of the night when in the penultimate hand utg who having just got to the table and seen his mate ko'd on another table declares he does not wish to come back tomorrow even though he has 60k infront of him, shoves blind and loses to JJ of the WPIL and then shoves his 15k next hand on my SB with the decent player cold calling from a 50k stack to which i Jam  Td Th and the cold caller folds a poor A and I hold v  Jd 3d then came my final hand spew!

I levelled myself with  9c 9d otb and when the BB raised into 3 of us i felt knowing the player he is light a big % of the time and 4 bet committing myself to his jam and this time didnt beat his  Th Ts so am coming back today with 42k with blinds at 8/1600/100 on an hour clock and 40 players left, they reckon it can go on for ages due to the clock but I shall be playing ftw....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 27, 2011, 12:10:12 PM
GL fella


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 27, 2011, 12:11:17 PM
I am legend....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 27, 2011, 12:12:50 PM
Oh and love the seventies porn star look...all that time I sat there with u and no piccie sigh I'm such a donk


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on November 27, 2011, 12:13:43 PM
Good luck today Rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 12:21:30 PM
WAL Alex Martin reading the diary!

Does anyone else think he looks like a skinny Jason Cundy?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: AlexMartin on November 27, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
mug. u going london gukpt at all m8/



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Thx for the GL wishes am currently sat at work having got in a 4.35am and in office at 9.45 till 12.30 when a mystery viewer is looking at an empty property to give me enough time to get to Luton ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 12:24:48 PM
mug. u going london gukpt at all m8/


LOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool   no bud as am at DTD this weekend so cant get more of a pass out this week  :(
How was the photo shoot?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2011, 07:49:59 PM
Final table full report to follow


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on November 27, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

JFDI...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 27, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
Eso 3 handed, which is amazing considering how bad he is playing.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 28, 2011, 10:14:43 AM
Well done last night fish. ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on November 28, 2011, 10:19:29 AM
Well done John Holmes...ps i am a NFL betting god :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
TYTY gonna do a full Gus Hansen style report!!

Small chop Hu with me taking £2120 and the second place £2000


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 28, 2011, 10:50:00 AM
Wiiiiiiiii. time to get your picture changed! there is a new BITB in town!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 10:59:28 AM
WPIL is watching dont worry its not you i mean in my diary it was the WPIL yesterday!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 11:19:01 AM
A POKER TOURNEY WITH ESO, ITS A FUNNY OLD GAME!!

After 2hours sleep and then going to work i wizzed home and got changed and left for Luton at 12.50pm and arrived at 2.05 so missed my sb but with the hour clock no need to stress.

I decided it would be good to keep a running diary of all my hands for yesterday so armed with a roulette slip that all the degens would write down the last 80 numbers to make their selections I started to note every hand i played and really felt I was going to have a deep run in this tourney.

I wont talk about all the folds i made just hands played and wont apologise for the TL;DR but will break it up a bit.

1st level for 45 mins was a grind with just nicking a blind or 2 untill I got moved to balance the tables which was the best thing that could have happened and I was sat next to the infamous Adam Daniel of DTD and Blonde update fame, as I reached the table he was involved in a 4bet pot and folded to the 5 bet jam and looked tilted so when i opened UTG to 3500 at 8/1600/50 with  Ahrt Qd it was no surprise to see him 3bet to 11k from a stack of 50k and folded back to me with me starting the hand with 42500.  We Jammin at this point and he dwell calls it off with a "well lets see if i can get lucky" and flips the mighty Aspades  9h and we hold to double up to just under 100k.

He got Ko'd next hand and apparently is still looking for sponsorship if Blonde can help out!!!

On being sat at this table i note that the second chip leader an American guy who bagged up 192500 betting discs had not showed up yet but they said he was playing cash till 4.30 am so he may have overslept anyway we shall hear more from him later!!

I didnt get involvedin any hand of note till 1500/3000/300 when i raised the button with  8s Tc and fold to the 3bet from the BB then the very next hand i make the same raise to 6700 and the BB makes it 15k from 78k i shove and he snap folds. My table is a dream as they all raise to much and call my small raises and then fold so the best option is to be active imo and getting some decent holdings helps so when i raise my 3rd consecutive hand with  9d Ad to 6700 from the hj and pick up both the blinds we see a lovely drawtastic flop of  6d 8d 5c and i cbet 9800 unfortunately both blinds fold and were chipped up to 145k with 22 left....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on November 28, 2011, 11:40:02 AM
Congrats to the new BITB, wpwp.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
Congrats to the new BITB, wpwp.
Ty Raymondo, I'm sure you will be reinstated soon!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on November 28, 2011, 12:03:34 PM
Congrats to the new BITB, wpwp.
Ty Raymondo, I'm sure you will be reinstated soon!!!!

Tbh I did feel like I represented you well last week but I guess I can understand the demotion.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 12:25:56 PM
Were now opening most spots where its folded to me but lose 14k when opening with  3s 5s having cbet the flop and folded to a river shove with no pair.  A few hands later we open to 7100 utg with  Aspades Th and pick up both blinds seeing a flop of  Ts  6d Qh and after check check we decide to peel and see the turn which comes  3c and take the pot down with a 12k delayed cbet.

Blinds go through and we make a play to 6700 from the co with  4s 7s picking up the bb flop comes  5c Jc Qd and cbet 7300 the BB jams and we fold he shows  Qc Kc MBN. As the blinds are coming back round we make it 7500 utg with  Ahrt Qh and it folds through and then next hand it folds to the sb who flats and we have  Ahrt 4d and 2 levels ago we had a conversation about disguised Aces x in the blinds so when he makes it 9k total with 50k back I set him in and he folds.  I then fold my sb and we go to the break with 150500.

Blinds now 2000/4000/400 and first orbit back utg+2 jams 35k total I iso raise  Aspades Qc and hold vs  Ahrt Jh and am upto 193000.

The next hand is a tournament defining hand for me as an agro guy who has been nicking the poor American fella who has still not turned up yet chips from utg+2 3 orbits on the trot makes it 9000 and I flat otb with  Tc Qc and we see a flop of  2d Kd Qs he bets 15k and we flat and see the  8s he now bets 25k and we flat again to see a river  6h where he makes a weak looking lead of 25k and i jam for 90k more just over 115k more and he has me just covered before dwell folding.

The very next hand we raise to 9k with  4s Ks from the c/o and flop  Kc Qd 4h cbet 12k which is called and turn the house with the  4c he donk leads for 10k which we flat and on the river  Jh he donks for 12k and we make it 30k and he folds so were up to 310000 out of 2.2million with 16 left and 11 paid.

Next orbit utg shoves 42k total and were otb with  7d 7c and the blinds both having 80k stacks so iso raise to 100k to hold vs  5d 5h and now have 357k with 14 left..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 12:55:31 PM
Since the American guy has not turned up I have not had more than 1 opportunity to get at his stack depsite being the button to his BB but i win one at new blinds of 3000/6000/500 and his 192500 is now 109000. We then raise  Td Ahrt from the co and the sb who has played back a few times from the sb makes it 40k and i make a mistake setting him in as he has no fold equity and his  Qd Qh holds so were down to 265k   14 left and average chips 163k.

There was then a raise utg to 12k which was flatted by the button and it seemed pointless to raise call vs the effective stacks so just jammed Ahrt Qh from the sb and both folded, the very next hand we raise  Ac 7c to 15k from the button and the SB jams 42k total or at least thats what i thought as the dealer then asked me for 4k more as she forgot to give the bb (now the jammer) change of 4000 so trusting her and feeling its good for the KARMA give the 4k and call holding vs  Jd Qh.   KARMA ftw!!

Next orbit were in the BB and the button makes it 17k and we peel the extra 11k with  4d 4h and the flop rolls off  6h 6s Jh checking with the intention of CC but he checks and the  4s turns up  BINKETY BINK we check again and he fires a 20k delayed bet and we flat, the river is yes you guessed it I'm running like Usain Bolt  4c i weakly bet 25k which i smet with a snap jam I snap and insta flip quads to be shown  6c Ac so were now upto 405k and ITM.

Pretty soon we FT with 445 and the chip lead!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on November 28, 2011, 01:19:13 PM
Not a big fan of pha but this stuff floats my boat. Good read for me at least .


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 01:23:21 PM
FINAL TABLE

2nd hand in we riase utg with  8c 8d to 15500 at 3000/6000/500 and fold to the 3bet from a tight mp player. Next orbit 3 limpers on my bb i check the option with  Jd Qc and we check the flop of  9s Js 3d with the button making it 15k which is flatted by us and folded by the rest, on a turn of  7h it goes check check and then hit the  Qd and make a value bet of 32k which is called and i got lucky vs the  Jc Kd.

I then raise  B v B with  Aspades 4s and get it through before the blinds moving to 4000/8000/500 make it 20k utg+2 with  Ahrt Ts all folding before folding one complete orbit through the blinds winning my blinds back on a  5h 4s 8c board with  8d Kd. I then played a pair of sixes averagely turning a gutshot before hero'ing the end to lose 45k and have 450k with still 10 left.

The AMERICAN has still not showed up and now has 51k which is affecting the short stacks as they want him to blind off and move up the ladder,  WPIL (imo) then open limps AGAIN and I iso to 26k with  9h 9d which he calls (standard) oop and the flop of  Ac Jd Kh I know he is never without here and we check check befor het bets 60k on an irelevant turn and we do a fold!!

UTG moves in for just under 100k and SHAGPILE on here dwell folds so obv had an Ax and i call it off with  7d 7c from the BB and the or flips  Ad Jh to which Shagpile declares "i had the same hand"  ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh  etiquette not that I was complainng no sweat though as a  7h is first card in the window and were upto 550k.

American now finishes a valiant 9th for £200 and just under 3x his buyin as his hand is declared dead with 3k in the bb and his ante, and we fold through the blinds to action.

There will now be a public VINNY BUYS FOOD ANOUNCEMENT!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 01:24:34 PM
Not a big fan of pha but this stuff floats my boat. Good read for me at least .
cheers Herbs it probs wouldnt have been the same if i finshed 18th though!! ;)
Dont think i get a flag for it sorry!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on November 28, 2011, 01:27:13 PM
Did you ever discover what happened to the American?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 01:33:13 PM
Did you ever discover what happened to the American?
No he blinded off and they put his money on account but his friends had said one of them couldnt come back but strange to be chippy and not return!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 01:39:12 PM
VINNY BUYS FOOD!!!

Well sort of, we had earlier swapped a small % with my Maltese friend giving me double what he got of me after an early double through in the £50 evening tourney so seeing him walking over is never a good sign and he couldnt find the fold having flopped triplets drawing to a chop on the turn (fish)

He declares " I am going to have a Lamb Jalfrezi do you want the same?" Yeah ok as I have not eaten since breakfast to which i then hear at the top of his voice  "George (TD and Cardroom manager) can i have a free meal ticket for my friend who I have bought here from Southend" and George snap walks over and gives him a ticket for me so Vinny has still not bought me a meal EVER!!  Our hero even has the audacity when presented with 2 Jalfrezi's to say George said that its comped and George nods and Vinny slides the free meal ticket into his pocket for another visit before ordering a coke for himself and after asking what me and one of MITCH's old cronies Will want ordering 2 beers which he forgets so we even have to pay for them.  WAL that man leads!!!!

I then had my QUEENS hand that has been posted in PHA

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55874.0

I then bluff off 42k with  6c 9c having tried to steal from the button on a  3s Jc  Jh Kc 3d having bet turn and river and folding to the check shove and still have 500k.

I then lose a pot when 3betting  7h 7s after an utg+2 raise to 48k at 8/16000/1000 with me making it 110 and calling off the extra 20k with Vinny berating me for 3 betting the tightest guy on the table but if ever I am in a tight card dead spot your lack of action enables you to get the odd steal through, alas he has DEM ACES and holds  so were back to 445k...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 01:52:00 PM
We get a walk in the blinds before raising the button with  6d Ad and the blind go up again to 12000/24000/2000.

A couple of players get knocked out and were 4 handed and all fairly even in chips with no more than 100k between us and a deal was proposed of £1300 with £670 FTW more which the slight chippy declines and I dont mind this as if we can get 3handed i think were in with a good chance.

We then bet flop and turn with  6s 9d on a  7s 8d Jd Kc 8h board but cant find the 3rd bullet losing to a bare  7c at which point Vinny comes up and writes COCK on my notes and then gives me his input "I start getting active against these" Lol cos i have already been folding my way to the win!!

He then tells me that i acted too quickly on the river of the 2nd hand i posted in PHA today

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55876.0

I then win 3 consecutive hands  Ad Jd utg  Aspades 5s BvB and  Qd Kd adding approx 135k to the stack with no showdown before next orbit raisng to 48k with  Td Th and calling off v  Jc Aspades and holding to reach the heights of 780k.

At new blinds of 16000/32000/3000 I min raise SB to BB 7d 8dand flop  Ad 7c 9h check check  9d bet call and on the  Ahrt check check feeling my 8 high cant be good to be shown  3d 4d which we get stacks in on any diamond river.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: boldie on November 28, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
WP mate. top result.


BTW, is there a bigger legend than the mighty Vinny?

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He declares " I am going to have a Lamb Jalfrezi do you want the same?" Yeah ok as I have not eaten since breakfast to which i then hear at the top of his voice  "George (TD and Cardroom manager) can i have a free meal ticket for my friend who I have bought here from Southend" and George snap walks over and gives him a ticket for me so Vinny has still not bought me a meal EVER!!  Our hero even has the audacity when presented with 2 Jalfrezi's to say George said that its comped and George nods and Vinny slides the free meal ticket into his pocket for another visit before ordering a coke for himself and after asking what me and one of MITCH's old cronies Will want ordering 2 beers which he forgets so we even have to pay for them.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on November 28, 2011, 01:57:53 PM
I've met up with him a few times and I don't think I've ever bought him food unless I lost a flip, kinda feel bad about it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
We then get 2 handed when i make it 68k with  9c Qd and Shagpile makes it 140 leaving 500k back and due to the fact I think he has the hump at my activity so we Jam with some equity and he calls flipping  Ahrt Jd telling me "I'm live"

The  9d 8h Kd Kc Kh board proved that correct and we are HU which after a bit of to'ing and fro'ing I end up taking £2120 to his £2000 as it was 12.30am and I had the drive home following on from 3 days of poker with work on each day and today also plus the money has come in handy as Petra snap took some today for xmas presents but it leaves a freeroll of poker tourneys in December!!!

big thanks to my mate Steve who does not post on here for driving Saturday and i dont swap a % with him and Scillidonk for the Saturday night rail and the sunday night anti rail from Vinny!!


Now for the Deepstack!!!!!!!
Which in this tourney one year ago this happened   >:(

  http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50856.435

hopefully history will repeat itslef without the SPEEEEEEWWWW this time!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 28, 2011, 02:15:58 PM
lol, nice peel with the 93


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 02:23:29 PM
lol, nice peel with the 93
It was completely spot and player dependant as the blinds were the weakest on the table so i was nicking all the time and the villain having sat with him for the best part of a day he never has AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ in that spot and I cna Gtee that having seen his MO so his range was 66-JJ and i felt any A K Q combo my c bet takes it down and unfortunately i flopped the lot and made the same bet i was going to make on a High board just couldnt hold for the CL!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tonytats on November 28, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
Good update well done on the win


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 04:56:17 PM
Good update well done on the win
tyvm Tony


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on November 28, 2011, 07:30:21 PM
Good update well done on the win


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 28, 2011, 07:34:31 PM
Haha great food report Eso. All true i'm afraid. Some people have no shame.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 28, 2011, 09:30:08 PM
Great result wpwp!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 28, 2011, 09:40:11 PM
Great result wpwp!!
Thx mate  how did you get on   expensive weekend???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Boba Fett on November 29, 2011, 01:42:36 AM
I bought Vinny food once, he has bought me food twice....maybe 3 times  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on November 29, 2011, 11:11:47 AM
Nice TR and a very nice result.

Teach me please.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mulhuzz on November 29, 2011, 02:12:02 PM
Great result wpwp!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 29, 2011, 05:37:04 PM
Great result wpwp!!
Thx mate  how did you get on   expensive weekend???

In the comp no good but in the cash I managed to nick a couple hundred somehow in a ridiculously comical 1/2 games. I didn't sit until like 6am on the Friday night and 4am on the Saturday when I was hammered both times. Highlight was instigating the consumption of 2bottles of Sambuca by the table at 5am in about half an hour, even funnier considering a couple of the guys were >50 :D

Quite a cheap weekend all in all considering how much drinking was done and the only annoying expense was having to pay £40 to change my trainticket so I didn't have to wait at Waterloo for an hour. I'll deffo be going again next time they have one on as it's a really good crowd which coupled with a bar that never closes made for pure comedy all weekend


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 29, 2011, 11:31:42 PM
Great result wpwp!!
Thx mate  how did you get on   expensive weekend???

In the comp no good but in the cash I managed to nick a couple hundred somehow in a ridiculously comical 1/2 games. I didn't sit until like 6am on the Friday night and 4am on the Saturday when I was hammered both times. Highlight was instigating the consumption of 2bottles of Sambuca by the table at 5am in about half an hour, even funnier considering a couple of the guys were >50 :D

Quite a cheap weekend all in all considering how much drinking was done and the only annoying expense was having to pay £40 to change my trainticket so I didn't have to wait at Waterloo for an hour. I'll deffo be going again next time they have one on as it's a really good crowd which coupled with a bar that never closes made for pure comedy all weekend
Sounds quality mate   lmk when your around our way and we can buy Vinny a meal!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 29, 2011, 11:32:47 PM
Just binked a seat for DTD at second attempt, will obv try again tomorrow for a second, didnt deserve it though as got massively lucky when was 15/15 and had to pick 2 players stacks to shove my 8bb stack into but only had 92o which outdrew 44 and then a  Qh 7s jam in co but the bb made a bad call with 8d 8c for 85% of his stack when he should have known the  Qd was always coming on the river!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on November 29, 2011, 11:40:38 PM
Great result wpwp!!
Thx mate  how did you get on   expensive weekend???

In the comp no good but in the cash I managed to nick a couple hundred somehow in a ridiculously comical 1/2 games. I didn't sit until like 6am on the Friday night and 4am on the Saturday when I was hammered both times. Highlight was instigating the consumption of 2bottles of Sambuca by the table at 5am in about half an hour, even funnier considering a couple of the guys were >50 :D

Quite a cheap weekend all in all considering how much drinking was done and the only annoying expense was having to pay £40 to change my trainticket so I didn't have to wait at Waterloo for an hour. I'll deffo be going again next time they have one on as it's a really good crowd which coupled with a bar that never closes made for pure comedy all weekend
Sounds quality mate   lmk when your around our way and we can buy Vinny a meal!!!

Will do, I've only had the pleasure of buying Vinny dinner the once.... Saying that I've only been for a meal the once with him too...  He did repay the kind deed by putting a couple drinks on my room at the Hilton for him and the pretty one :D

Well done on the seat too, would be a nice xmas bonus!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 01, 2011, 10:29:11 AM
THE MONTH END!!

Had a really good end to the month in the office and we ended up Grossing around £35k in fees and netting out at £25k which more than covers cost, plus we have a few deals hanging around that should tie up this week for the first week December which is normally a quiet month.

December is about clients getting deals through and trying to move in before the 20th and other clients wanting to get exchange of contracts so they can relax over christmas plus the odd deal tied up. My next challenge in the new year is to start finding someone to replace Laura when she goes on maternity leave and that quest shall start in the spring.

Finally gave Boldie Petra's Goulash recipe last night which he is going to try so if he posts on here that its good then am happy to send on just pm me.

Couple of horses i fancy are out over the weekend so will post in here over the weekend whilst at DTD...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 01, 2011, 10:40:00 AM

Couple of horses i fancy are out over the weekend so will post in here over the weekend whilst at DTD...

Xmas has come early. wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 01, 2011, 10:41:13 AM

Couple of horses i fancy are out over the weekend so will post in here over the weekend whilst at DTD...

Xmas has come early. wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

Well not that source but one me thinks will be a fancy price!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
Horse Fancy 1

I watched this horse run really well last time over an inadequate trip of 3miles and today it has a 4mile trip to run over.
Had £50 ew on at 11/2  INCENTIVISE 1.30 Exeter



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 02, 2011, 11:39:53 AM
You will be very surprised to hear i am on. £17.50 ew. All donkeys backed for the day. time to let the $$$$ flood in. glglgl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
You will be very surprised to hear i am on. £17.50 ew. All donkeys backed for the day. time to let the $$$$ flood in. glglgl.
glad you are on e/w sir now all we want is a win so you can fml at having 17.50ew instead of 35 on the nose!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 02, 2011, 12:23:42 PM
Ok Ok i'm in £20 e/w yeh i understand now that means giving them £40.. lol

Hope i don't bok it for ya both.. Wiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 02, 2011, 12:40:46 PM
Ok Ok i'm in £20 e/w yeh i understand now that means giving them £40.. lol

Hope i don't bok it for ya both.. Wiiiiiiiiiiii

FFS. no chance now!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
Ok Ok i'm in £20 e/w yeh i understand now that means giving them £40.. lol

Hope i don't bok it for ya both.. Wiiiiiiiiiiii

FFS. no chance now!
No Deano is ok with the first 5 its the 6th one that lets him down!!!    ;pokergods;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 02, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Ok Ok i'm in £20 e/w yeh i understand now that means giving them £40.. lol

Hope i don't bok it for ya both.. Wiiiiiiiiiiii

FFS. no chance now!
No Deano is ok with the first 5 its the 6th one that lets him down!!!    ;pokergods;
Harsh. too soon?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on December 02, 2011, 01:08:24 PM
On. Now it has no chance


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 02, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
lol.. Does it pay top 3 or 4.???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
On. Now it has no chance
You run gooooooooooooood  chuckles!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 01:26:43 PM
lol.. Does it pay top 3 or 4.???
top 3 mate but its all about the win!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 01:29:59 PM
Its not good on the betting front as its on the slide, lets hope the horse does not know the price!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
Leaving Southend now to get up to DTD so wont know result till check later on!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
Sorry guys obv 4miles is too much so will look out for over 3m2f  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 02, 2011, 01:53:54 PM
Don't say sorry to me, say sorry to my 3 kids who aren't getting a visit from Santa this year!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 02, 2011, 04:26:56 PM
Next year you are my personal shopper if you can do all the Xmas shopping for £35


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 02, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
Next year you are my personal shopper if you can do all the Xmas shopping for £35

£1 Shop.

Some fake perfume for the wife, shit loads of shit £1 toys for the kids, with enough left over to get some cheap batteries and some marshmellows for myself. simples.


*Disclaimer I have never bought my wife anything from the pound shop and i don't actually have any kids


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 02, 2011, 05:35:40 PM
Lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 03, 2011, 12:46:14 PM
Just a couple of goals bets today and a big bet on Blackburn to receive the most bookings points vs Swansea today at 29/20 hills   down to Blackburn being towards the top of the bookings counts and Swans at the other end


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 04, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Ten day on footie and southampton not scoring cost a 1500 result

Going back with 15bb 's for day 2 at DTD so need an early double from tall anon and were back in it  #glme


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 04, 2011, 12:09:41 PM
Good luck today m8 #heatersville


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 04, 2011, 12:15:51 PM
Good luck today m8 #heatersville


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 04, 2011, 12:35:16 PM
Sighballs  full double through the very first hand with queens and then next orbit i make it 5100 in the c/o with 10 10 and tall anon shoves 100k in the middle obvious he never does this with a hand that beats me and so many times he must have 55- 99 plus AJ aq that he does not want to fold to a 4bet shove   I call and can't hold v AJ for a top ten stack   gonna have to ship the 150 now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Raman on December 04, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
Do you mind me asking who the stable jockey is for Ivory mate?

I thought it might have been Kirby before, then noticed that Kelly was getting a few more rides and winners so my attention turned towards him.

This resulted on me leaving Hereford Boy alone last time out as Kirby was on it and Kelly on Aquilifer (sp) for Burke.  I see they are up against each other tomorrow and would value your opinion on that match up have you heard from the jockey at all?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 05, 2011, 10:06:59 AM
WP on the entry lil man. Much deserved and start PMing me your both team to scores as I am the king at hitting 0-0s.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:15:25 AM
Do you mind me asking who the stable jockey is for Ivory mate?

I thought it might have been Kirby before, then noticed that Kelly was getting a few more rides and winners so my attention turned towards him.

This resulted on me leaving Hereford Boy alone last time out as Kirby was on it and Kelly on Aquilifer (sp) for Burke.  I see they are up against each other tomorrow and would value your opinion on that match up have you heard from the jockey at all?
He is only a work rider there Bandit sorry Rajesh, who i met a Luton whilst killing time waiting for a festival event to start and the first selection he gave me was Tubby Isaacs when it won at donny and i was on at 12/1.

There may be something for the weekend though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:16:10 AM
WP on the entry lil man. Much deserved and start PMing me your both team to scores as I am the king at hitting 0-0s.
Thx very much and will do big man!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:27:55 AM
Had a first losing weekend in a while  :( which is ok as came off the back of a good weekend last week at Luton but consisted of

£300 loss on bookings bet in Blackburn match which was level pegging till last 5 mins

2 x £25 losing goals bets  fml Southampton cant score at Donny Rovers so you know its gonna be a bad weekend

£336 entry for Sat deepstack after using my Satelite ticket on Friday

£150 Sunday tourney - played badly after busting day2 of the deepstack

£55 Luton tourney Sunday night after busting the £150 decided to drive halfway back and play there instead, bust having to call off  Jc Tc having raised got flatted in 3places and call the Jam feeling committed with blinds going up losing to  Jd Jh

Oh and booked a small win on Sunday footie with a £60 double on Celtic and Notts County.

then when i get back I get the rubdown from Petra when she tells me that surely it would have been better to try and min cash by folding in the deepstack my  Th Ts to PLintons over shove!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:37:31 AM
BUT ITS ALL WORTH IT!

When at 7.15 am this morning I hear the wee man in his cot stirring and you walk in there to see a big smile on his face and then get downstairs and see the family christmas card that Petra has produced.
She is mega creative with this kind of stuff!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 05, 2011, 10:39:12 AM
lol i see his found the last horse you backed


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on December 05, 2011, 10:43:08 AM
Great picture Rich.

It looks to me that the dog shoved him off and now has that "it wasn't me" look. Stewards enquiry IMO.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: The_nun on December 05, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
That's a lovely pic.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 05, 2011, 10:46:01 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
Great picture Rich.

It looks to me that the dog shoved him off and now has that "it wasn't me" look. Stewards enquiry IMO.
laid him on BF obv!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:46:45 AM
That's a lovely pic.
TY


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 05, 2011, 10:47:35 AM
lol i see his found the last horse you backed

Lol..
Great pic mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?
pm sent


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 10:51:03 AM
lol i see his found the last horse you backed

Lol..
Great pic mate
TY yeah owned by sicillidonk!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 05, 2011, 10:51:46 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?
pm sent

received cheers


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: gatso on December 05, 2011, 10:52:19 AM
took me about 30 seconds to figure out that it wasn't a severed dog head in that picture


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 05, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?
pm sent

add me to the wife pic pm list please mate... was in Prague over the weekend..quota of pretty girls is unreal... no wonder you managed to bag 3 slots above your station  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 05, 2011, 10:54:52 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?
pm sent

add me to the wife pic pm list please mate... was in Prague over the weekend..quota of pretty girls is unreal... no wonder you managed to bag 7 slots above your station  ;)

fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 05, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Pic of the wife in her crimbo outfit?
pm sent

add me to the wife pic pm list please mate... was in Prague over the weekend..quota of pretty girls is unreal... no wonder you managed to bag 7 slots above your station  ;)



fyp

I agree.. but didnt want to crush his soul totally :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Laxie on December 05, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
Adorable photo!!!  Fair play to both of them for sitting still long enough to have it taken too.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 12:03:35 PM
Adorable photo!!!  Fair play to both of them for sitting still long enough to have it taken too.
Oh even though Maxwell is 8months and Bentley 2 years since they were born in Max's case and 10 weeks old in Bentley's they have been photographed in studio's/homes wherever!!
As soon as Petra grabs the camera they know what to expect and Bentley just automatically comes and sits next to Max until told to move!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on December 05, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
Mate Thx for the incredibly generous offer. Will probs take u up on it. U sure u know what Ur letting urself in for?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
Mate Thx for the incredibly generous offer. Will probs take u up on it. U sure u know what Ur letting urself in for?
Your welcome bud it will be a squeeze but your all welcome for the long weekend and there is loads to do round there whilst were playing or morelike whilst I'm railing you!!

VBOL in Prague


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 05, 2011, 12:25:31 PM
Mate Thx for the incredibly generous offer. Will probs take u up on it. U sure u know what Ur letting urself in for?
Your welcome bud it will be a squeeze but your all welcome for the long weekend and there is loads to do round there whilst were playing or morelike whilst I'm railing you!!

VBOL in Prague

Prague is just the centre of the universe at the moment...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on December 05, 2011, 01:37:36 PM
Looks like we've been bumped mate. Southend leg replaced by fox poker club in London


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 05, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Looks like we've been bumped mate. Southend leg replaced by fox poker club in London
Your still welcome that weekend if you want to save on ex's and the family can do their own stuff whilst we pokerz and the club is about 45mins away can drive or tube.
If you fancy let me know but you still have first dibs!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 05, 2011, 05:54:08 PM
That's a lovely pic.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 05, 2011, 09:16:00 PM

... but how did she get the dog to stick to the wall??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2011, 09:01:32 PM
Exactly a year ago tomorrow the 7th December this happened

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50882.0

Now tomorrow at Lingfield in the 2.40 race  KISS A PRINCE runs again over the same distance and is 7lb lower than its last win.

Me and Dubai been scouting around and the stable jockey has been very coy not saying a lot but since this afternoon when the prices were released it opened up 11/1 with Hills and is now trading at 4/1.

Could lightening strike twice and this be the XMAS CRACKER???

To be fair to the jockey he has been injured and not riding out but for him to say nothing i wonder if he is waiting for the right people to be on first ie Me and Dubai!!!
Shane Kelly is has held up a few of their horses who need to be played late in the day and this is one of those so hopefully like the peach of a ride given last year we can sit just off the pace and sneak up the inside!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on December 06, 2011, 09:41:02 PM
Santa's had a bet at 5.2


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 06, 2011, 09:44:47 PM
I'm on for a ton lets pay for my upgradeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

If it loses I'm flying cattle :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Santa's had a bet at 5.2
Yours was Quote of the thread when it won last year!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2011, 09:48:25 PM
I'm on for a ton lets pay for my upgradeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

If it loses I'm flying cattle :(
Degens gonna fly cattle  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on December 06, 2011, 10:25:13 PM
Is no news good news mate? Seems too late to pull out surely?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 09:24:26 AM
If we bink i'm playing Monte Carlo. All on the nizzle. Earlier news = ew, i could only get 7/2 with VC. ewwwwwww. GL all and I hope we have a merry xmas.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 07, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
If we bink i'm playing Monte Carlo. All on the nizzle. Earlier news = ew, i could only get 7/2 with VC. ewwwwwww. GL all and I hope we have a merry xmas.
GL Millidonks


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 07, 2011, 10:01:47 AM
Going to bookies on my dinner break, probably be evens by then.. sigh

Also i'll apologise for the bok in advance..

Lets GoGoGoGo..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 10:10:31 AM
Going to bookies on my dinner break, probably be evens by then.. sigh

Also i'll apologise for the bok in advance..

Lets GoGoGoGo..

Just work this lunch mate.  ;) Please


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on December 07, 2011, 10:12:59 AM
Argh. Stuck at work and no car.

Can anyone help.

Pm please if you can.

Long shot I know but it's Christmas. Only looking for a smallish bet.

Thks in advance.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 07, 2011, 10:13:51 AM
If we bink i'm playing Monte Carlo. All on the nizzle. Earlier news = ew, i could only get 7/2 with VC. ewwwwwww. GL all and I hope we have a merry xmas.

LOL you're not fking about are you son!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 07, 2011, 10:14:45 AM
Argh. Stuck at work and no car.

Can anyone help.

Pm please if you can.

Long shot I know but it's Christmas. Only looking for a smallish bet.

Thks in advance.

What you want on it m8?

I'll put it on for you and then you can pm me bank details when we win


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 10:22:25 AM
If we bink i'm playing Monte Carlo. All on the nizzle. Earlier news = ew, i could only get 7/2 with VC. ewwwwwww. GL all and I hope we have a merry xmas.

LOL you're not fking about are you son!!

My sports betting account now stands at zero! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. Said I would take December off anyways, so now is the time... probs will reload before tea... Even if it binks i will probs sell a decent chunk of action, so cheque book at the ready for some comedy sweats


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 07, 2011, 10:43:27 AM
My sports betting account now stands at zero! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. Said I would take December off anyways, so now is the time... probs will reload before tea... Even if it binks i will probs sell a decent chunk of action, so cheque book at the ready for some comedy sweats

Haha I'm the same, I emptied all mine bar B/F and then loaded some back on Laddies for the horse because I didn't want to leave B/F low :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 07, 2011, 10:43:38 AM
If we bink i'm playing Monte Carlo. All on the nizzle. Earlier news = ew, i could only get 7/2 with VC. ewwwwwww. GL all and I hope we have a merry xmas.

LOL you're not fking about are you son!!

My sports betting account now stands at zero! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. Said I would take December off anyways, so now is the time... probs will reload before tea... Even if it binks i will probs sell a decent chunk of action, so cheque book at the ready for some comedy sweats
Lol you are a BOSS
Gl all


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 07, 2011, 11:24:57 AM
Sorry for beings numpty do I put my2k£20 each way or win?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 07, 2011, 11:25:52 AM
Sorry for beings numpty do I put my2k£20 each way or win?
Im on each way but am a confirmed nit!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 07, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Sorry for beings numpty do I put my2k£20 each way or win?

For a score I'd do the win Lee.

Getting £100 back when it wins is far more satisfying than almost getting your money back if it comes 2nd imo of course :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 11:30:00 AM
Sorry for beings numpty do I put my2k£20 each way or win?
Im on each way but am a confirmed nit!!

On £200 on nose. confirmed mug


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 07, 2011, 11:36:26 AM
Sorry for beings numpty do I put my2k£20 each way or win?

For a score I'd do the win Lee.

Getting £100 back when it wins is far more satisfying than almost getting your money back if it comes 2nd imo of course :)
depends what price you were on at   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 07, 2011, 11:48:14 AM
I in and on and went for my heros choice of e/w glglgl us


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 07, 2011, 11:49:30 AM
I in and on and went for my heros choice of e/w glglgl us
[/quote
Oh and I got 10/3 is that bad or good ???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 07, 2011, 12:04:28 PM
I in and on and went for my heros choice of e/w glglgl us
[/quote
Oh and I got 10/3 is that bad or good ???
Its all good bud!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 12:07:15 PM
norrrrrrrrrrrrrr, just find out i have a meeting at 2. Usually lasts an hour +. will have to come and see if there are any  ;letsparty; ITT afterwards.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 07, 2011, 02:30:14 PM
norrrrrrrrrrrrrr, just find out i have a meeting at 2. Usually lasts an hour +. will have to come and see if there are any  ;letsparty; ITT afterwards.
self employment ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 02:31:14 PM
uh oh, was a short meeting, live sweats ftl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on December 07, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
student life ftw! got £20 on the nose at 9/2


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on December 07, 2011, 02:45:19 PM
Noooooo, pot noodles for next week now. !


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 07, 2011, 02:46:25 PM
Sigh pigeon for Christmas dinner


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 02:46:33 PM
sighballs. glad i didn't go ew, only to see it place. Sports betting is closed, time to empty my poker accounts.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on December 07, 2011, 02:48:18 PM
Do they do christmas dinner flavour pot noodle?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 07, 2011, 02:49:50 PM
Look at you student balla with pot noodles. Shouldn't you be on 9p (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5geSsJSGBco/SlpM9ThzJ8I/AAAAAAAAAJU/r5myBYXQ32k/s320/Super.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 07, 2011, 02:54:28 PM
Sigh sorry guys, just cant seem to get that animal right its won over 1m 4f but then seems to find nothing!!

Pot noodles ftw!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on December 07, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
Yes im balling out of control. Although throughout the last 3 years have only consumed 1 pot noodle, and 2 super noodles.

If the horse won i was going to treat myself to some heinz beans but im stuck with...



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 07, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
Sigh sorry guys, just cant seem to get that animal right its won over 1m 4f but then seems to find nothing!!

Pot noodles ftw!

Lucky im so good at footy bets  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 07, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
Sigh sorry guys, just cant seem to get that animal right its won over 1m 4f but then seems to find nothing!!

Pot noodles ftw!

Lucky im so good at footy bets  ;)

football bet challenge please.

your great system v me.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 07, 2011, 04:19:37 PM
wot

ur 3 magic premonitions a year


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on December 07, 2011, 08:42:20 PM
Holy crap!

Right..I have 3 options

1. Santa doesn't really exist and that's why your getting crap presents this year

2. Santa is effected by the global economy just like everyone else

3. Santa is a degen and he gambled all the money Daddy sent him now you are getting rubbish presents and Daddy is very cross with Santa


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 07, 2011, 09:07:20 PM
Holy crap!

Right..I have 3 options

1. Santa doesn't really exist and that's why your getting crap presents this year

2. Santa is effected by the global economy just like everyone else

3. Santa is a degen and he gambled all the money Daddy sent him now you are getting rubbish presents and Daddy is very cross with Santa

Please tell them number 3. You should also add that he's a stinking drunk who never washes for completeness.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mulhuzz on December 08, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
Holy crap!

Right..I have 3 options

1. Santa doesn't really exist and that's why your getting crap presents this year

2. Santa is effected by the global economy just like everyone else

3. Santa is a degen and he gambled all the money Daddy sent him now you are getting rubbish presents and Daddy is very cross with Santa

Please tell them number 3. You should also add that he's a stinking drunk who never washes for completeness.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 09, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
Been quiet today. Whats going on in the world of Eso? too busy making buckets selling ahhhsizz.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 09, 2011, 03:04:35 PM
Been quiet today. Whats going on in the world of Eso? too busy making buckets selling ahhhsizz.
Haha yeah we tied up 2 deals y/day which was good. Had a bit of a MAN COLD so y/day was a wash out on my day off, dont worry though shall be posting my losers tomorrow!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 09, 2011, 03:30:57 PM
Been quiet today. Whats going on in the world of Eso? too busy making buckets selling ahhhsizz.
Haha yeah we tied up 2 deals y/day which was good. Had a bit of a MAN COLD so y/day was a wash out on my day off, dont worry though shall be posting my losers tomorrow!!

goood to hear fella. will have to remember not to open this thread tomorrow then. Feel ya pain with the man cold.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
Been feeling bad with a Man cold the last few days, obv these are the worst kind and Petra and Maxwell now have it as well so its all croaky voices and sniffles at chez Eso.

However this morning whilst on an extra snooze as we dont get to the office till 9am on Saturday I was thinking how much of a bond Petra and Max have after he woke at 7am and then came into our bed for his morning feed, Petra was really determined about some stuff when pregnant like she wanted to have a home-birth and also to breastfeed and she has done both but seeing the wee man's face light up when i carry him to the room first thing with him thinking nomnomnomnomnom and then how his little hand holds on to her is really special.

Then came a lovely drive to work with the tide in but no wind out there it looked like a mill pond on the estuary and one of those fresh winter days where walking along the front stopping for a coffee here and there would be great, alas though no of that for me as were in the worst part of the year for agents where this weekend is pretty much the last time any clients are bothered to view and the days really drag with not a lot to do but the bosses know this is the case so dont worry about it too much.

Workwise roll on January!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
HORSES AND FOOTIE

Today I am backing a horse called DEIREADH RE in the 1.55 at Cheltenham at 15/8 with William Hills and if this wins I shall place a hefty wager on a football treble for the afternoon, if not I shall leave the treble alone.

On the goals front I am on over goals in 2 x £25 accas

1) B/ham, Middlesbrough, Watford, Walsall, Cheltenham, Real Madrid, Hannover   returns £1895.88

2) Norwich, West Brom, Derby, Reading, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd, Crawley, Morecambe returns £2121.62

As a side note DUCAL runs tonight in the 18.50 at Wolverhampton which did us a favour when winning at the track a few runs back and gave us subsequent winners Good Authority and Chokidar and having changed stables could be an each way bet to nothing at 9/2


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 10, 2011, 12:15:16 PM
HORSES AND FOOTIE

Today I am backing a horse called DEIREADH RE in the 1.55 at Cheltenham at 15/8 with William Hills and if this wins I shall place a hefty wager on a football treble for the afternoon, if not I shall leave the treble alone.

On the goals front I am on over goals in 2 x £25 accas

1) B/ham, Middlesbrough, Watford, Walsall, Cheltenham, Real Madrid, Hannover   returns £1895.88

2) Norwich, West Brom, Derby, Reading, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd, Crawley, Morecambe returns £2121.62

As a side note DUCAL runs tonight in the 18.50 at Wolverhampton which did us a favour when winning at the track a few runs back and gave us subsequent winners Good Authority and Chokidar and having changed stables could be an each way bet to nothing at 9/2
How much is the stake for the over goals mate plus I might have a bash but have no idea how to place a bet on how many goals scored!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 12:18:54 PM
HORSES AND FOOTIE

Today I am backing a horse called DEIREADH RE in the 1.55 at Cheltenham at 15/8 with William Hills and if this wins I shall place a hefty wager on a football treble for the afternoon, if not I shall leave the treble alone.

On the goals front I am on over goals in 2 x £25 accas
1) B/ham, Middlesbrough, Watford, Walsall, Cheltenham, Real Madrid, Hannover   returns £1895.88

2) Norwich, West Brom, Derby, Reading, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd, Crawley, Morecambe returns £2121.62

As a side note DUCAL runs tonight in the 18.50 at Wolverhampton which did us a favour when winning at the track a few runs back and gave us subsequent winners Good Authority and Chokidar and having changed stables could be an each way bet to nothing at 9/2
How much is the stake for the over goals mate plus I might have a bash but have no idea how to place a bet on how many goals scored!!
£50 staked bud and if you go into shops they will help but dont go to Laddies as their acca pays on 34/1 if you bink instead of 80/1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 10, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
Ok is it over 2 goals ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 12:26:46 PM
Ok is it over 2 goals ?
yeah or it might say 2.5 goals basically you want 3 or more in all the matches!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 10, 2011, 12:39:56 PM
Ok is it over 2 goals ?
yeah or it might say 2.5 goals basically you want 3 or more in all the matches!!

On the over 2.5s   lets gogogo

#2ndshotatfreeupgrade


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 10, 2011, 12:46:49 PM
Ok is it over 2 goals ?
yeah or it might say 2.5 goals basically you want 3 or more in all the matches!!
Ty Ty Ty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 02:01:45 PM
Well you need a bit of luck on your side  :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 10, 2011, 02:44:43 PM
Been feeling bad with a Man cold the last few days, obv these are the worst kind and Petra and Maxwell now have it as well so its all croaky voices and sniffles at chez Eso.

However this morning whilst on an extra snooze as we dont get to the office till 9am on Saturday I was thinking how much of a bond Petra and Max have after he woke at 7am and then came into our bed for his morning feed, Petra was really determined about some stuff when pregnant like she wanted to have a home-birth and also to breastfeed and she has done both but seeing the wee man's face light up when i carry him to the room first thing with him thinking nomnomnomnomnom and then how his little hand holds on to her is really special.

Then came a lovely drive to work with the tide in but no wind out there it looked like a mill pond on the estuary and one of those fresh winter days where walking along the front stopping for a coffee here and there would be great, alas though no of that for me as were in the worst part of the year for agents where this weekend is pretty much the last time any clients are bothered to view and the days really drag with not a lot to do but the bosses know this is the case so dont worry about it too much.

Workwise roll on January!!

pm pics of the little man having his breakfast ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
Well that was lucky as we were never going to win unless the one in front fell!!!

So had £160 on at 15/8 and have now invested £225 of the profit on a treble of

Man Utd
Arsenal
Crawley
which returns £650.57 if it cops and am freerolling both my goals bets for the afternoon now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on December 10, 2011, 05:27:54 PM
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiippppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 12, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
WHAT A DIFFERENCE A FALLER MAKES!!

At 2pm on Saturday with my horse looking one paced it was likely only the over goals bet for interest over the weekend, then a faller means we scoop £300 profit so invest 75% of that into a short priced treble on the footie which cops a few pennies over £650 and were full of beans.

The over goals bet was never really a runner this week with no real sweat as although on the best line I had 6/8 correct early on, one match was 0-0 20mins to go and were never collecting from there. So in the evening I invested £50 in a Barcelona/ A Khan to win on points double at 13/8  and 6/4 respectively and watched the fight in the morning with Max to see him lose on points in a close run thing  :(   (note to self - need to cut out the bets for something to watch!!)

I have some ideas that I am going to bring into my diary for 2012 and will post more on this later in the year!!

Sunday my only bet of the day was on the NFL and a combo of the shrewdies and Sicillians advise and scooped a return of £560 on a handicap and 3 odds on match acca and had already received a pass out from the boss to play the Southend monthly £100 at the Genting Westcliff to arrive finding they have not updated their website and it is now £50 f/o but meh were there now!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 12, 2011, 11:53:09 AM
It was good seeing some old faces and i had to be sure not to level myself or get involved in any fps and managed to value bet my way to 3rd place despite being pretty card dead and went home with a few hundo more for the weekend having enjoyed the banter from the old boys and marvelling at raises to 1200 at 1/200 and them being happy with the 300 profit before open showing  Qc Qh declaring "well I didnt want to see an  Aspades or Kd on the flop"

The players there really have not changed since early 2000's and anyone half competent would surely GIQ in the comps and the cash.

There was an interesting note to the evening with a topic of conversation from the game on Friday night when midway through the night, the police came into the card room and arrested a young chineese kid actually cuffing him on the stairs. Obv I wont name names but this lad is about 7 stone wet through and allegedly it is to do with a the touch screen Roulette and some fake £££ which have been used over a long period of time, if it is true there are a few of his buds who may be having a knock at the door as they are all as thick as thieves and probs a bit naive IMO.

This week entails trying a few sats online for the Monte Carlo as a £1k event is probs a bit rich unless we bink some 3 day sport acca!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 13, 2011, 04:43:09 PM
How's the Man Flu?

Any info on the cash games there? 1/2? How often do they run? What time do they start? Is there a Nando's nearby?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 13, 2011, 05:01:46 PM
How's the Man Flu?

Any info on the cash games there? 1/2? How often do they run? What time do they start? Is there a Nando's nearby?

They run Fri/Sat Sun best nights and yes there is 1/2  standard is average I imo some old school grinders getting it so you should fit in  :P

Normally around 10ish and Southend has a fine Nando's that we could flip for!!!

FLU UPDATE!!
Getting better just the croaky voice  thx for the concern   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 13, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
Cheers Eso Kraut. Will have a trip down soon.

I won a flip v Alex recently, I have no fears v you.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 13, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
The Ho reading this have you read your PM?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 13, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
The Ho reading this have you read your PM?

will do now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on December 13, 2011, 10:42:58 PM
zero chance eso doesnt ship a seat tonight


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 13, 2011, 10:54:09 PM
zero chance eso doesnt ship a seat tonight
lol i assume you were one of the rail as I luckboxed my way through some hands!!

Obv you saw i just bust then   nice bok  ;)

ps who were you?   pm if ok


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on December 13, 2011, 11:23:11 PM
zero chance eso doesnt ship a seat tonight
lol i assume you were one of the rail as I luckboxed my way through some hands!!

Obv you saw i just bust then   nice bok  ;)

ps who were you?   pm if ok

binkme76

JJ<AQ<K5


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: RickBFA on December 14, 2011, 09:51:55 AM
Enjoyed the satellite last night - looked at this diary from day one but rarely post, great read.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 14, 2011, 09:54:50 AM
Enjoyed the satellite last night - looked at this diary from day one but rarely post, great read.
Thanks Rick,
It's fair to assume you binked a seat then?   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 14, 2011, 10:17:17 AM
Max had his first Xmas party yesterday with a few of the kids who were on the same ante natal course we attended.
I have attached a few photos and he is already "stealing the blinds!!" as you will see

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/957/maxsxmasparty.jpg[/img]](http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/957/maxsxmasparty.jpg) (http://[IMG)


Max sees what he wants

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6324/maxstealingblinds1.jpg[/img]](http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6324/maxstealingblinds1.jpg) (http://[IMG)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 14, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
Reach for the stars!!

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1537/maxstealingblinds2.jpg[/img]](http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1537/maxstealingblinds2.jpg) (http://[IMG)

I got it, hence the smug grin!!

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7201/maxgetswhathewants.jpg[/img]](http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7201/maxgetswhathewants.jpg) (http://[IMG)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 14, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
Congrats on winning a seat to the MC mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 14, 2011, 10:35:50 AM
Congrats on not winning a seat to the MC mate.
FYP


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 14, 2011, 10:42:49 AM
Oh. ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 14, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
FAIL...

Pics of the mums please mate..cmon FFS these are basics... :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 14, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
FAIL...

Pics of the mums please mate..cmon FFS these are basics... :)

Ideally mums feeding their offspring ta ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 14, 2011, 11:45:56 AM
FAIL...

Pics of the mums please mate..cmon FFS these are basics... :)

Ideally mums feeding their offspring ta ;)

You guys are absolute animals! Seriously show some respect for the mother of his son!



Got any bikini holiday snaps of your last trip?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 14, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
FAIL...

Pics of the mums please mate..cmon FFS these are basics... :)

Ideally mums feeding their offspring ta ;)

You guys are absolute animals! Seriously show some respect for the mother of his son!



Got any bikini holiday snaps of your last trip?

Actually meant the other mums..but now u come to mention it...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 14, 2011, 11:56:04 AM
FAIL...

Pics of the mums please mate..cmon FFS these are basics... :)

Ideally mums feeding their offspring ta ;)
things like this tend to backfire. i remember making phone videos of this bird who was pretty much up for anything. obv snap show mates in the cardroom. month later said girl is pregnant and now wife and mother of my 3 kids. she is very popular with my chinese friends in naps hull casino if we ever call in for some food tho.  ;ashamed;

You guys are absolute animals! Seriously show some respect for the mother of his son!



Got any bikini holiday snaps of your last trip?

Actually meant the other mums..but now u come to mention it...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 14, 2011, 01:04:38 PM
Any single mothers in the group?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: RickBFA on December 14, 2011, 01:22:32 PM
Enjoyed the satellite last night - looked at this diary from day one but rarely post, great read.
Thanks Rick,
It's fair to assume you binked a seat then?   ;)

Almost, 6th for 1170 euros, but I'll play it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 14, 2011, 01:42:14 PM
Any single mothers in the group?

odds on id say...MILF's ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 10:48:12 AM
Missing the Monte Carlo!!

Obv a £1k tourney is out of my roll speshly at this time of year and had decided to play 3 sats this week and if that failed to have some mad sprts spin up from Monday to Friday with the intention of playing Saturday and it was going ok, not in the sats as Monday and Tuesday blanked but a £100 investment on over 2 goals in Chelski/Man City came in follow by lumping the lot on a win/draw double chance bet double on Tues night footie meaning we had £315 to invest then came a pm from someone with a few horses.

Doh invested the lot and a further £80 in some combos and after the first won at 9/2 it was looking rosy alas it was not meant to be and it was gg as of yesterday morning!!

Until....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on December 16, 2011, 10:59:08 AM
Happy 100 pages btw! Keep it up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 11:01:02 AM
Happy 100 pages btw! Keep it up
Oh yeah  TYVM  had not noticed!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 16, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
Happy 100 pages btw! Keep it up
Oh yeah  TYVM  had not noticed!!

Only 11 to go.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
I know had one shot at the satellite and a spare hundo for a spin up so scoured the Racing post and saw that a horse was running at Towcester who had the beaten the horse I backed last Saturday and they were miles clear of the rest and although Saturdays winner was fortunate to say the least I really fancied this one.

£100 at 5/2 was invested on Valid Reason in the 2.10 and I watched the betting market unfold on betfair and after a short while we were trading at 1/2 as the 2nd fav had either fallen or was in trouble the 2 other horses started to shorten and we went out to evens then 2/1 at it looked like the dream was over, all of a sudden we were trading odds on again and its between us and an outsider when they suspended the market the other horse was trading shorter and I thought the game was up.

I had received a pm from the same guy as y/day about 2 horses running after mine and after the result was confirmed with my horse second I was going to stick a token £40 on the first one and went to place the bet and whilst waiting for the race to start looked up at the results and VALID REASON was declared winner in an ammended result WIIIIIIIII  the first horse loses so now I need to drive to a different shop to pick up the £350 as I had chucked my losing slip somewhere.  As i got back to the office and checked Blonde i saw the Redarmi had put up a horse that defined his wifes Xmas pressie so shot to collect my bet and stuck £40 each way from the £350 on his nag at 9/2   oioioioioioi  call a copper   so were holding £270 with a £296 slip to collect and the dream is still alive.

The second horse from the PM was in the 5.30 but was priced at 6/4 so sticking the £296 would only return £740 and leave me short, so the Racing post was consulted and at first I was going to put the lot on the horse plus 2 short priced football teams in europe but bottled it as I would have been gutted if the horse wins and one of the teams draws or loses so decided have £200 on the horse at 6/4 (giving me a £500 bullet friday if the footie does not cop) and then a £96 treble horse onto Tottenham 2/5  onto Atheltico Madrid 2/5 and still have the DTD sat to come.

For those that dont know Spurs won 4-0 and Athletico Madrid were 3-0 before winning 3-1 and we have the princely sum of £970.40 to pick up which means I shall take the shot at the MC on my own dime although
Pleno has 5% of all my live action and i shall save a token % each for Redarmi and my mystery Pm'er as without these 2 it would not be possible

#PLEASELETMEBE2011MONDA


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on December 16, 2011, 11:40:52 AM
Best of luck to you in the MC.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 16, 2011, 12:09:52 PM
Good luck Eso. Got to fade this myself due to bloody work.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 16, 2011, 12:12:31 PM
Good luck mate get the world!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 16, 2011, 12:12:52 PM
sigh.. things are bad when i'm thinking of spinning it up on some horses to get in the mc....last two bullets tonight :)

gl gl you


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
sigh.. things are bad when i'm thinking of spinning it up on some horses to get in the mc....last two bullets tonight :)

gl gl you
Gl herbs i assume you are playing live and online at same time yeah??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 16, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Sick life Eso, Sick life! nice spin up. glglglgl I have a 4 fold which sees me playing tomorrow. On the booze all day, but will be checking periodically. Ship the lot.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 16, 2011, 12:28:26 PM
sigh.. things are bad when i'm thinking of spinning it up on some horses to get in the mc....last two bullets tonight :)

gl gl you
Gl herbs i assume you are playing live and online at same time yeah??
yes will take lappy tonight. luckily bubbled twice  for a few hundo each time or would have been in the "paid more than the entry to qualify camp".
will have played all 4 live sats this week...re entered twice which has stung but online all the e80 have been either e8 or freebies.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 16, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
Best of luck fella..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on December 16, 2011, 01:59:08 PM
#PLEASELETMEBE2011MONDA

 rotflmfao GLGL, and congrats on the hundo.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
#PLEASELETMEBE2011MONDA

 rotflmfao GLGL, and congrats on the hundo.
Cheers bud, ps I would do you proud and not fold AK!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on December 16, 2011, 02:15:24 PM
although he's in my bad books for neglecting online, he is going to shipppppppppp it tomorrow. then be the #2012marcinmilde


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on December 16, 2011, 05:34:51 PM
I'm so proud...after seeing my betting lineup for the weekend Eso called Me a ......

SICKO !!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redarmi on December 16, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Pleno has 5% of all my live action and i shall save a token % each for Redarmi and my mystery Pm'er as without these 2 it would not be possible


Totally not neccesary but of course very grateful.  The Camel did an auction on twitter for 10% of his action yesterday with proceeds going to the Darlington Hospice which I bed £150 for and won.  I said at the time I would also donate 0.5% of Dubais total cashes as I have a small piece of him so I will also donate half of this if you cash.  Hopefully they will get a bit more that way.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 16, 2011, 06:26:32 PM
gl at the MC Rich. Will come up Monday for a free dinner to rail you if you make the final.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
Pleno has 5% of all my live action and i shall save a token % each for Redarmi and my mystery Pm'er as without these 2 it would not be possible


Totally not neccesary but of course very grateful.  The Camel did an auction on twitter for 10% of his action yesterday with proceeds going to the Darlington Hospice which I bed £150 for and won.  I said at the time I would also donate 0.5% of Dubais total cashes as I have a small piece of him so I will also donate half of this if you cash.  Hopefully they will get a bit more that way.
very kind  lets hope we get some £££


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 16, 2011, 07:06:18 PM
gl at the MC Rich. Will come up Monday for a free dinner to rail you if you make the final.
booked


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on December 16, 2011, 11:49:33 PM
GL Sir...

Bink the World Mate....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on December 17, 2011, 12:14:41 AM
I just love your spin up stories....I rarely reply but am still and avid reader - great spin up skills, its an omen - go get it won mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 17, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
Faaaaaaaaaaaack. Lost a chunk on Blitzen.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VQc3j3774w


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 17, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
gl today rich PLEASE WIN ROCKY WIN


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 17, 2011, 01:33:07 PM
Gl mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 17, 2011, 02:11:46 PM
Cheers all   peak so far 34k but back to starting stack after being caught with fingers in till


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 17, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
did you realise gl mesg on update thread was for you ..lol?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on December 18, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
Faaaaaaaaaaaack. Lost a chunk on Blitzen.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VQc3j3774w
lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 09:03:33 AM
did you realise gl mesg on update thread was for you ..lol?
do now thx bud!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 09:16:47 AM
Had a decent opening table and it was likely we would not get broken during the day so got ready for the grind. I found Aces in level 1 to get to 34k but at first break had s/stack the 3 value players (more than me) got either chipped and moved or just moved and then Keys and Foggin Sat down  in pos   sigh.

Got valued in a couple of spots and didn't find a fold and was down to 13k at 3/600 but doubled through Keys  AQ v JJ started to pick some good spots to chip up and managed to get to 57 before having a tough final 2levels having to r/f 3times to big action behind and then card dead last hour and the last hand typified the level when in the BB and with a min raise and a flat i don't have enough to flick in the call with bad cards and flop bottom 2 then turn the house and would defo have got 2streets :(

Still got 20bigsandadream  (cheers G2L)

Awake now so gonna go and lay sonera flowers at my Dads resting place in Bretby just outside Burton on Trent and get back.
GL all Blondes today esp team Eureeka


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 09:17:30 AM
Oh fancy horse today  post later.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 18, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
Oh fancy horse today  post later.....
gl m8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 18, 2011, 10:30:33 AM
Get thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 11:13:19 AM
Oh fancy horse today  post later.....
Non runner  :( or :) whichever way you look at it


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on December 18, 2011, 11:39:05 AM
gl sir


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on December 18, 2011, 11:47:05 AM
Gl gl today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 12:19:16 PM
@the ho and claypole tyty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2011, 06:02:54 PM
Arrived at Luton for their 100 xmas cracker.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 12:16:53 PM
Driving back down South I was thinking about my exit hand from the MC and realised I was prbs a bit hasty in jamming when I could poss have found a better spot on the next orbit but hey were learning all the time, stopped off at Luton as a mate was in the last 12 of the main event of their Xmas cracker and was going to rail him but when I get there he has bust so we decide to play the £100 side event instead.

Whilst waiting his missus who is a Slot Jockey is sat happily playing away and he is on the touch bet roulette spinning up from £20 to £100 back down rinse repeat and he then decides "I have £70 so if I turn it to £110 I play the sidey if not I go home and play the million", so we sit at the Blackjack and I watch and 4 hands later he is upto £130   wiiiiiiiiiiiii  "stop now then and you can buy me a curry" (learnt that line from Vinny) ok just a few more hands.   Obv the degens know this is a mistake and the shoe is destined to turn against him and 15 mins later its off to the cash desk, I remember those days well.

The tourney was a bit meh and I never really got started and ended up getting Ko'd 3 tables out having raised the co with  7c 9c and left a 3/4 psb back and got peeled otb and jammed the  6c 2s 3d flop to be shown the mighty  2c 3h oh how I wish I knew what flops were coming!!

Got back home and back in the office for the last week at work in 2011   wiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
Monday 19th

Work is dead for us now just 2 exchanges were waiting on and the odd iewing to arrange so its a case of browse Blonde and start writing my business plan for a venture I am looking to do in 2012, at 4.30pm I get a phone call from Petra in histerics saying can I come home.

Now she never phones me at work unless she has to and I snap leave still not sure what I am going to find so ring her and all I can make out is I'm calling the doctor, so its not the Bentley (the dog) and must be her or Maxwell. Obv all the sunday drivers are still out on the seafront looking at the lights and I get back rush upstairs to find Petra crouched on the floor with Maxwell  who seems happy enough.

It turns out the doctors had advised her to use a steam bath to try and clear Max's head a bit since his cold a month ago and as she was doing this Max kicked the big jug and it went over Petras leg and bum cheek and had now blistered up and was pretty red and angry so off to the hospital we go and whilst she was in pain and crying a bit, deep down I know she was glad it was her and not Max and I didnt want to say anything to make her fel worse so just reasssured her that it would be all ok.

Straight into see the triage nurse and then 20 mins to see the doc and we leave with some burn shield and an appt to go back to out patients today, she is lucky as a few inches the other way and she would defo be in more pain. It was a horrible feeling driving back home not knowing what you could be coming back to but I am sure there will be more bumps and bruises to attend to along the way.

No more live poker for this year now and I am looking at 2012 and all the events out there to see which ones I want/would like/can afford to play along with some goals I would like to achieve in 2012

Over the weekend I managed to meet some heroes namely Dubai who I have spoken to loads and who is much smaller in real life and also Lildave (whose blog I am now starting from the beginning) who is much taller in real life than you would imagine!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 20, 2011, 12:36:33 PM
Las week at work!  mbsfn... last DAY at work for me. wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. was supposed to be yesterday but took it off as i obv expected to be FTing the sun mill obv. 6hrs to go.

Roll on:

(http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/The-Original-Shirt-Plate.jpg)

+

(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/stockphotopro_2049147UTM_.jpg)

Roll on 2012


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 20, 2011, 12:43:37 PM
Spamaments.....

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=56142.msg1476495#msg1476495


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 12:58:15 PM
Spamaments.....

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=56142.msg1476495#msg1476495
Will be in dont worry ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 12:59:03 PM
Las week at work!  mbsfn... last DAY at work for me. wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. was supposed to be yesterday but took it off as i obv expected to be FTing the sun mill obv. 6hrs to go.

Roll on:

(http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/The-Original-Shirt-Plate.jpg)

+

(http://www.stockphotopro.com/photo-thumbs-2/stockphotopro_2049147UTM_.jpg)

Roll on 2012
Thats like a fat photo of me!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: zerofive on December 20, 2011, 01:12:34 PM
Thought that was Eso Kral at first lol.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
Thought that was Eso Kral at first lol.
It's my post Xmas photo!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 02:05:52 PM
Just saw the link to Xmas Party and did a first stab, obv Petra the more creative one of us shall do our real one from home later!!

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on December 20, 2011, 02:07:54 PM
Just saw the link to Xmas Party and did a first stab, obv Petra the more creative one of us shall do our real one from home later!!

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji)

<3 it


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 20, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
Driving back down South I was thinking about my exit hand from the MC and realised I was prbs a bit hasty in jamming when I could poss have found a better spot on the next orbit but hey were learning all the time, stopped off at Luton as a mate was in the last 12 of the main event of their Xmas cracker and was going to rail him but when I get there he has bust so we decide to play the £100 side event instead.

Whilst waiting his missus who is a Slot Jockey is sat happily playing away and he is on the touch bet roulette spinning up from £20 to £100 back down rinse repeat and he then decides "I have £70 so if I turn it to £110 I play the sidey if not I go home and play the million", so we sit at the Blackjack and I watch and 4 hands later he is upto £130   wiiiiiiiiiiiii  "stop now then and you can buy me a curry" (learnt that line from Vinny) ok just a few more hands.   Obv the degens know this is a mistake and the shoe is destined to turn against him and 15 mins later its off to the cash desk, I remember those days well.

The tourney was a bit meh and I never really got started and ended up getting Ko'd 3 tables out having raised the co with  7c 9c and left a 3/4 psb back and got peeled otb and jammed the  6c 2s 3d flop to be shown the mighty  2c 3h oh how I wish I knew what flops were coming!!

Got back home and back in the office for the last week at work in 2011   wiiiiiiiiiii

Stupidly picked him in a last longer bet v Jeff Buff.

Paid Pizzled the £10 I lost. Thank Steve for me when you speak to him next. Sigh.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 05:15:38 PM
Driving back down South I was thinking about my exit hand from the MC and realised I was prbs a bit hasty in jamming when I could poss have found a better spot on the next orbit but hey were learning all the time, stopped off at Luton as a mate was in the last 12 of the main event of their Xmas cracker and was going to rail him but when I get there he has bust so we decide to play the £100 side event instead.

Whilst waiting his missus who is a Slot Jockey is sat happily playing away and he is on the touch bet roulette spinning up from £20 to £100 back down rinse repeat and he then decides "I have £70 so if I turn it to £110 I play the sidey if not I go home and play the million", so we sit at the Blackjack and I watch and 4 hands later he is upto £130   wiiiiiiiiiiiii  "stop now then and you can buy me a curry" (learnt that line from Vinny) ok just a few more hands.   Obv the degens know this is a mistake and the shoe is destined to turn against him and 15 mins later its off to the cash desk, I remember those days well.

The tourney was a bit meh and I never really got started and ended up getting Ko'd 3 tables out having raised the co with  7c 9c and left a 3/4 psb back and got peeled otb and jammed the  6c 2s 3d flop to be shown the mighty  2c 3h oh how I wish I knew what flops were coming!!

Got back home and back in the office for the last week at work in 2011   wiiiiiiiiiii

Stupidly picked him in a last longer bet v Jeff Buff.

Paid Pizzled the £10 I lost. Thank Steve for me when you speak to him next. Sigh.
Yh he told me about the bet  ul  where are all the cash reports??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on December 20, 2011, 05:29:32 PM
Driving back down South I was thinking about my exit hand from the MC and realised I was prbs a bit hasty in jamming when I could poss have found a better spot on the next orbit but hey were learning all the time, stopped off at Luton as a mate was in the last 12 of the main event of their Xmas cracker and was going to rail him but when I get there he has bust so we decide to play the £100 side event instead.

Whilst waiting his missus who is a Slot Jockey is sat happily playing away and he is on the touch bet roulette spinning up from £20 to £100 back down rinse repeat and he then decides "I have £70 so if I turn it to £110 I play the sidey if not I go home and play the million", so we sit at the Blackjack and I watch and 4 hands later he is upto £130   wiiiiiiiiiiiii  "stop now then and you can buy me a curry" (learnt that line from Vinny) ok just a few more hands.   Obv the degens know this is a mistake and the shoe is destined to turn against him and 15 mins later its off to the cash desk, I remember those days well.

The tourney was a bit meh and I never really got started and ended up getting Ko'd 3 tables out having raised the co with  7c 9c and left a 3/4 psb back and got peeled otb and jammed the  6c 2s 3d flop to be shown the mighty  2c 3h oh how I wish I knew what flops were coming!!

Got back home and back in the office for the last week at work in 2011   wiiiiiiiiiii

Stupidly picked him in a last longer bet v Jeff Buff.

Paid Pizzled the £10 I lost. Thank Steve for me when you speak to him next. Sigh.
Yh he told me about the bet  ul  where are all the cash reports??

Prob on my diary...You want a link?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
Driving back down South I was thinking about my exit hand from the MC and realised I was prbs a bit hasty in jamming when I could poss have found a better spot on the next orbit but hey were learning all the time, stopped off at Luton as a mate was in the last 12 of the main event of their Xmas cracker and was going to rail him but when I get there he has bust so we decide to play the £100 side event instead.

Whilst waiting his missus who is a Slot Jockey is sat happily playing away and he is on the touch bet roulette spinning up from £20 to £100 back down rinse repeat and he then decides "I have £70 so if I turn it to £110 I play the sidey if not I go home and play the million", so we sit at the Blackjack and I watch and 4 hands later he is upto £130   wiiiiiiiiiiiii  "stop now then and you can buy me a curry" (learnt that line from Vinny) ok just a few more hands.   Obv the degens know this is a mistake and the shoe is destined to turn against him and 15 mins later its off to the cash desk, I remember those days well.

The tourney was a bit meh and I never really got started and ended up getting Ko'd 3 tables out having raised the co with  7c 9c and left a 3/4 psb back and got peeled otb and jammed the  6c 2s 3d flop to be shown the mighty  2c 3h oh how I wish I knew what flops were coming!!

Got back home and back in the office for the last week at work in 2011   wiiiiiiiiiii

Stupidly picked him in a last longer bet v Jeff Buff.

Paid Pizzled the £10 I lost. Thank Steve for me when you speak to him next. Sigh.
Yh he told me about the bet  ul  where are all the cash reports??

Prob on my diary...You want a link?
Nah Sok I see you have just bumped it yourslef  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 24, 2011, 10:23:03 PM
VESELE VIANOCE!!

That's Slovak Christmas day done and dusted and a few prezzies opened and the obligatory skype call to Petra's family and now can chill before 2nd Christmas day tomorrow!!

Happy Christmas everyone, thanks for reading, posting and help given by people.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dewi_cool on December 24, 2011, 10:43:45 PM
Nadolig Llawen Mr AK & family


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 24, 2011, 11:01:57 PM
Xronia bolla Mr, Mrs and Jr Eso Kral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 24, 2011, 11:14:27 PM
Happy xmas Rich hope you and the family have a great day


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on December 24, 2011, 11:51:24 PM
Happy xmas Rich hope you and the family have a great day


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on December 25, 2011, 12:00:07 AM
Merry Xmas Rich. Hope Santa is good to you all.

Enjoy.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: taximan007 on December 25, 2011, 05:40:20 AM
Just saw the link to Xmas Party and did a first stab, obv Petra the more creative one of us shall do our real one from home later!!

http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji (http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/Q2ZxgmM6xZLuS9Ji)

This made me smile - Merry Christmas to you and your family.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 26, 2011, 12:55:49 PM
Will post about Christmas day when in office on Thurs and I have more time but for the degens about today is about winning

Deiredh re  1.40 wincanton - the horse that was the lucky start to a spin up getting me into the MC is out today and i think it will win again, I have left the price as think it may return bigger than 13/8

Wycombe at 13/10 is a single on the footie for me

finally I shall be laying Tornado Force in the 3.30 Wolverhampton as although there is some money for it this morning personally I think it got the run of the race last time out so reps no value imo!!!

GL al punting today I see a couple are entered for races on Friday I shall be playing on!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 26, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
WP m8, as Meatloaf said 2 outta 3 aint bad :)

The race was ridic, he actually traded at 6.6 with only a few furlongs to go as he looked out of it and just found enough to get there at the death!!


Was a bit skinny for me as I'm avoiding betting lumps after last week, did a small double though so dinner on me m8 ty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Christmas Day

Well we had a quiet one this year with just the three of us and my Mum over from Hornchurch and was really a day for Max although he does not understand too much about it all yet, his fav present was a big box filled with helium balloons and he is in awe of them still today!! (am sure more expensive pressies will be required over the next few years to command the smile)

Petra did an amazeballs Christmas Lunch with some help from Gordon Ramsey and it was probs the best xmas dinner we have had together, it was sad my brother was not with us but he had a massive fall out with my mum after Dad's funeral and also having patched over their differences again at Max's Christening last year (as posting on 1/1/12) and he now refuses to speak or be in the same room as her.

Its sad as I know how that feels after the bad times with my Dad and also i know the relief of him having brought me back into his life before he passed away and am not sure to this day how much more guilt I would have felt if we had not rebuilt our relationship before he passed.

I hope my brother does not end up with the same feelings in the future!!

I also went to the tree by Southend  seafront where we scattered some of Dad's ashes and laid some flowers on the ground and spent a few minutes of peace and quiet just me and him looking out to sea.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 11:44:44 AM
Boxing Day

Iain my brother drove down from the midlands for a boxing day lunch with us and it was good to see him as he has had a difficult year and suffered from delayed grief which ended up in the argument with my mum and effectively ended their relationship for now.

He also had a few relationship probs this year as he is 37 but acts mid 20's is fairly successful in his job earning decent ££ plus we have our 4 rental properties as our pension plus our own props but apart from his marriage which failed after a year despite the fact they had been uber happy for 8 years previous to this he has failed to meet anyone else he would settle down with.  All the girls he has met all seem to have issues but he tends to do things over the net and I'm sure plentyoffish.com is not the place to meet the second Mrs B and also whilst he wants a mid 20's dolly bird on his arm obv most of these have a kid or 2 in tow and at his age I would think he will want to start his own family soon so am not really sure what he should do??

We spent 4 hours of him telling us about these 2 girls he is currently seeing/speaking well he has met one and she is nice but the other he really likes online but has not been able to hook up with her yet (obv a bloke) and this is stopping him moving forward with number 1 who is way out of his league.

Booked a decent win with 2 out of 3 selections itt to claw back some ££

The next few days were a combo of chilling or having to work the thurs/fri in the office although its very quiet so was mostly lurking on Blonde catching up on all the diaries and interesting threads and not having been on blonde for more than a couple of years I have to say Blonde seems to be the best ever atm in my short time.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
NEW YEARS EVE

Our first one with Max so we had a small family one with Mum over and that was about it really, I have never really been into New year so much since my mid 20's when it was a case of getting smashed up somewhere or grabbing some sort for NYE.

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!

Obviously its the time of year for resolutions so below are a few of mine, nothing to exciting but would be nice to achieve them!!

Happy New Year to everyone and hope 2012 brings all you desire!!

Edit - see Milligan itt I have to find something online and hopefully post itt via youtube as was watching and saw you on telly bud!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on January 01, 2012, 11:51:19 AM

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!


Never heard of this before, but I will defo be doing it for the rest of my life! what a great lil quirk!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on January 01, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
Happy new year mate. Did you see the London fireworks? Thought they were very good this year with a great compilation of songs being played at the same time


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS/GOALS!!

1) Maintain this diary but this year I am going to keep a record of all my bets and poker tourneys to see how I get on as because any mini binks get swallowed up with life stuff it would be nice to see the true result (having been honest itt since the start I have no probs with this)

2) Final table at least one poker event in the £200+ live arena, last year i finished second in 2 x£100/150 100-300 runners and made a couple of day 2's of bigger events and reckon in the live arena probs showed a small profit despite not cashing in anything £300+ and am constantly thinking and learning about my game so really hope to tick this off.

3) Maintain a healthy Family/Poker/Punting/Work balance and appreciate the flexibility Petra gives me on these scores and the weekend a month up in Nottingham plus other trips.

4) Post more in PHA instead of reading and thinking "yeah I would do that" and not be worried about posting first even if I get flamed.

5) Continue to work on my game by spending some hours per week watching training vids/discussing hands with better players

6) Devote a certain amount of time/volume per week to online play as when I was chatting to Pleno (still BITB) and worked on a few things over a 2 month period my game defo improved and showed a decent 40%+ roi (over a small sample) on euro sites but towards the end of the year I was playing more Live and doing nil online except the odd satty to something.

7) Cut out bets on live events just for the sake of watching it even though it may be £40 these bets all add up during the year!!

Finally I want this year to get and stay in shape for the year as over the past year I have put on a little bit of TERRY and although I still have a decent shape need to refocus on this. I dont wish to put up any weight targets like in other threads as for me it's about how I feel I look in clothes as opposed to weight.
I am currently one of David Lloyds fav customers in that I maintain my Gym membership but dont go  :( so am going to go 3 x per week to get back into it and do my a good carido circuit to get back in shape and then work from there.

Am going to post some pics (obv breathing in) so I have a starting point and something to look back on.

GL me in 2012!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Happy new year mate. Did you see the London fireworks? Thought they were very good this year with a great compilation of songs being played at the same time
And the same to Herbinator, yeah watched the fireworks and thought it was pretty good with the tunes old and new defo bringing something to it!!

I guess you were bopping away to "The Kinks" as its your kinda era!!   :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 12:23:55 PM

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!


Never heard of this before, but I will defo be doing it for the rest of my life! what a great lil quirk!
Think it was my late Gran who used to do it and then Dad kept up the tradition and now me!! old age ftw!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on January 01, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
Happy new year mate. Did you see the London fireworks? Thought they were very good this year with a great compilation of songs being played at the same time
And the same to Herbinator, yeah watched the fireworks and thought it was pretty good with the tunes old and new defo bringing something to it!!

I guess you were bopping away to "The Kinks" as its your kinda era!!   :P
Tbh Catherine made me sit through the Bee Gees thing. Thought some of their stuff was terrible but some songs are in the all time top twenty lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 07:42:10 PM
Jan 1st Bets

Am going to break it down to sports, horses etc and keep a running total and will add to it as I go

£50 acca on NFL  (in play currently so wont self bok) will post after early games as got one in late matches!!

£200 on A.Lewis in the darts tonight to beat J Wade at 4/5


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on January 01, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
If I was a member of a david lloyd I'd never leave.

The one I went to in notts for a bit as a student was increddd.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 08:19:15 PM
If I was a member of a david lloyd I'd never leave.

The one I went to in notts for a bit as a student was increddd.
Yeah tbh I joined 6 years ago and they have only put up my membership a few ££ in that time and also when I joined I made sure I could use all the David Lloyd clubs so when playing a festival event or at DTD can use the clubs around (or not as the case has been for the past 7 months  ;))


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on January 01, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
Happy new year to you and your family mate

The sale of the house completed on the 22 nd thanks for your help


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on January 01, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
Gonna follow the King.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 09:21:35 PM
Happy new year to you and your family mate

The sale of the house completed on the 22 nd thanks for your help
And to your goodself and family mate, glad it all went through and that I could have been a help or just an ear to listen bud.

See you soon!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Jan 1st Bets

Am going to break it down to sports, horses etc and keep a running total and will add to it as I go

£50 acca on NFL  (in play currently so wont self bok) will post after early games as got one in late matches!!

£200 on A.Lewis in the darts tonight to beat J Wade at 4/5
NFL acca was  NY Jets +3pts to beat Miami (got out of jail card used), Jacksonville -3.5pts and now running onto   over 40.5pts in the seattle vs arizona game


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 01, 2012, 09:48:37 PM
Jan 1st Bets

Am going to break it down to sports, horses etc and keep a running total and will add to it as I go

£50 acca on NFL  (in play currently so wont self bok) will post after early games as got one in late matches!!

£200 on A.Lewis in the darts tonight to beat J Wade at 4/5
NFL acca was  NY Jets +3pts to beat Miami (got out of jail card used), Jacksonville -3.5pts and now running onto   over 40.5pts in the seattle vs arizona game

Haha we were all on Jets too. Sanchez is a fking liability though!!!

GL with the overs, as long as Seattle score most of them I'm happy :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2012, 10:00:12 PM
Jan 1st Bets

Am going to break it down to sports, horses etc and keep a running total and will add to it as I go

£50 acca on NFL  (in play currently so wont self bok) will post after early games as got one in late matches!!

£200 on A.Lewis in the darts tonight to beat J Wade at 4/5
NFL acca was  NY Jets +3pts to beat Miami (got out of jail card used), Jacksonville -3.5pts and now running onto   over 40.5pts in the seattle vs arizona game

Haha we were all on Jets too. Sanchez is a fking liability though!!!

GL with the overs, as long as Seattle score most of them I'm happy :)
Yeah it was the shrewdies that made me add it in!!  GLGL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 02, 2012, 01:55:25 AM
Jan 1st Bets

Am going to break it down to sports, horses etc and keep a running total and will add to it as I go

£50 acca on NFL  (in play currently so wont self bok) will post after early games as got one in late matches!!

£200 on A.Lewis in the darts tonight to beat J Wade at 4/5
NFL acca was  NY Jets +3pts to beat Miami (got out of jail card used), Jacksonville -3.5pts and now running onto   over 40.5pts in the seattle vs arizona game
Had to check the Ladbrokes rules with 5 mins of normal time left to see if OT counted and as I am blessed obv it does so £334.09 return from the NFL, and then watched the Darts on Sky Plus and watched an incred comeback from Lewis to get a further £360 return so

2012 Running Totals

Sports +£444.09
#ifonlyeverydaywaslikethis


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 02, 2012, 02:04:14 AM
IWWIL :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 02, 2012, 02:06:51 AM
Loving new year too.

Not only did i have cheeky £5 on blackburn at 22/1 yesterday.

Had £20 on sunderland today and bet in running on both darts games tonight when players were supposedly drawing dead.

18/1 on Lewis at worst point beautiful.

If only ever day was like this!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 02, 2012, 03:19:33 PM
Posting from phone

£100 laid out today on footie
20 Dagenham @ 5/1
40 treble  Dagenham,Mk Dons,Southampton
40 over 2.5goals acca on Brighton,Leeds,Carlisle,Mk Dons,Barnet,Crewe

will update totals later


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 03, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
Posting from phone

£100 laid out today on footie
20 Dagenham @ 5/1
40 treble  Dagenham,Mk Dons,Southampton
40 over 2.5goals acca on Brighton,Leeds,Carlisle,Mk Dons,Barnet,Crewe

will update totals later

Running totals

Sports +£449
Goals betting -£40
Football -£60
Poker -£95 after played an online satty to £500 d/stack

Total profit/loss  +£254


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 03, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
Back to work/reality today with a bang!!

Got into the office to find that the flat above our shop has had mahoooooooosive leak from their washing machine which had flooded my mezanine floor and run down to the lower part of the office with the photocopier full of water and the office looking a state  ;grr;

It's that bad that the water which apparently started flowing yesterday afternoon is still finding it's way through the building into the office and I am currently on the 5th bucket sat under the spotlight it is finding its way through.


Really fancied a horse at Ayr today but obv the meeting is off so no bets today!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 04, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Am on £150 on Man Utd to win to nil at 7/4 Ladbrokes as a bet tonight after seeing team news, just hope they can keep a clean sheet!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Raman on January 04, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
Am on £150 on Man Utd to win to nil at 7/4 Ladbrokes as a bet tonight after seeing team news, just hope they can keep a clean sheet!!

United have never kept a clean sheet when Ferdinand/Jones have started as a partnership.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on January 04, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
In for the Bok: I'm on a Newcastle/Bolton Double


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on January 04, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
LOL Typical TIM HOWARD scores a freak goal because of the wind


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 11:01:44 AM
Am on £150 on Man Utd to win to nil at 7/4 Ladbrokes as a bet tonight after seeing team news, just hope they can keep a clean sheet!!

Sports +£449
Goals Betting -£40
Football -£210
Poker -£95

Total profit/loss +£104


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
In for the Bok: I'm on a Newcastle/Bolton Double
WP hairy  nice double!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on January 05, 2012, 11:22:34 AM
Cheers; Just thought there was nowhere near that big a difference(7/1) between bolton and everton and man utd haven't been playing great in quite a few games i've seen them this season; was a bit worried when De Gea wasnt in goal though. no doubt they'll still win the league/finish top 2 tho

and for my 50p; also done a horse double yesterday for small amounts and combined all 4 picks; JJ Leary went from 11/2 2nd fav into 5/2 fav sp  :'(

Happy with the £440 but coulda been so much sweeter

Also done £2.29 those 2 and barca -2 and Cambridge tonight to win another £300 so lets gogogo



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 05, 2012, 11:26:19 AM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 11:29:49 AM
Cheers; Just thought there was nowhere near that big a difference(7/1) between bolton and everton and man utd haven't been playing great in quite a few games i've seen them this season; was a bit worried when De Gea wasnt in goal though. no doubt they'll still win the league/finish top 2 tho

and for my 50p; also done a horse double yesterday for small amounts and combined all 4 picks; JJ Leary went from 11/2 2nd fav into 5/2 fav sp  :'(

Happy with the £440 but coulda been so much sweeter

Also done £2.29 those 2 and barca -2 and Cambridge tonight to win another £300 so lets gogogo


Too good!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 05, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?

The Celtic shuttle will be landing at a travel Lodge near you on Saturday Morning :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?

The Celtic shuttle will be landing at a travel Lodge near you on Saturday Morning :)
Ah pre match Nando's then?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 05, 2012, 11:51:41 AM
odds on i'd say


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 12:31:22 PM
Today we had the loss adjustors in to see the flood damage and after an hour of taking readings and measuring he said we will probably need to be out of the office for approx 3-4 weeks once they start hacking the plaster off the walls which then need to dry thoroughly beofre the walls are re-plastered and the nice flooring put down again.  Not sure how this works but i guess the Boss will be putting in a claim for loss of earnings as well!!

On the home front I think Petra has really missed having me around as when I was off I spent as much time with Max as I could so she could have a break and now its back to me with him in the morning before work and then when I get back from work the best bit of the day when we have bath time, it's only going to be a few weeks I reckon before the wee man will be crawling properly and even now he walks whilst held by his hands so then we will need to make the house Max proof.

DTD this weekend and am debating whether to play the Friday mega sat or the £100 Luton jobbie gtd at £5k and then drive up and was going to offer Vinny a free dinner but he said he is having a night off poker!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 05, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Get there friday for the mega sat mate..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
Get there friday for the mega sat mate..
Will see what time I get out of work and then make a decision, u gonna be there playing and for a few beers??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 05, 2012, 01:15:36 PM
Get there friday for the mega sat mate..
Will see what time I get out of work and then make a decision, u gonna be there playing and for a few beers??

gl guys


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
Get there friday for the mega sat mate..
Will see what time I get out of work and then make a decision, u gonna be there playing and for a few beers??

gl guys
TY DG


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 05, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?

The Celtic shuttle will be landing at a travel Lodge near you on Saturday Morning :)
Ah pre match Nando's then?

You got room for 1 more? Nando's not bed
:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2012, 04:56:29 PM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?

The Celtic shuttle will be landing at a travel Lodge near you on Saturday Morning :)
Ah pre match Nando's then?

You got room for 1 more? Nando's not bed
:)

Always got room for one more Andy, obv the peeps in Nando's will be confused with you and Vinny in the same room!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 05, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
Get there friday for the mega sat mate..
Will see what time I get out of work and then make a decision, u gonna be there playing and for a few beers??

gl guys

cheers Girgy

Yes pal i'll be there..  :cheers:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: nirvana on January 05, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
sigh bolton... had overs manu  unders everton on a nice little double...

big on nfl this week..... big lumps on denver under 34.5.... teebow cant throw to save his life and up against the number one defense..medenhall steelers star running back out for the season as of last week with a  torn ACl and big ben is still hobbling on his bad ankle.. pittsburgh to win an ugly low scorer... another lump on the giants at -3.0.... there pass rush led by Pierre Paul has grown to fearsome status and as the falcons are having a lot of trouble running the ball will force Ryan to throw more..expect him to be extending plays outside the pocket as he runs for his life... Cruz at wide out for NYG has big play explosion and the Giants have even managed to start running the ball. Close but with the home crowd expect Eli to bring a close one home.

Still deciding the best bet for the New Orleans match as it will undoubtedly turn into a shootout with both quarterbacks able to hit hard and fast. Brees for the Saints almost unplayable at the moment as he shatters all time passing records every week and protected by one of the best O lines in the league with 3 of them going to the Pro Bowl. At home in the dome in perfect conditions Brees will pull the lions apart...  money line on total points is already 59 although a few weeks ago the same matchup only produced 48.. however this could fast develop into a bloodbath especially if the Lions ( as expected ) are chasing.
Another decent bet maybe the money line on Saints -10.5 as they have outscored the last 5 or so opponents by at least 15.....


Gravy I shall look at them over the weekend as per.
Are you and all coming up saturday or Friday?

The Celtic shuttle will be landing at a travel Lodge near you on Saturday Morning :)
Ah pre match Nando's then?

You got room for 1 more? Nando's not bed
:)

Always got room for one more Andy, obv the peeps in Nando's will be confused with you and Vinny in the same room!!

1pm Saturday ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on January 05, 2012, 08:41:44 PM
Wiiiiii, Nandos at 1 ftw, Celticalike, pm me your number and I'll ring you when we are close by.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 05, 2012, 09:36:28 PM
Wiiiiii, Nandos at 1 ftw, Celticalike, pm me your number and I'll ring you when we are close by.

pm sent, now don't abuse it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 05, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
Wiiiiii, Nandos at 1 ftw, Celticalike, pm me your number and I'll ring you when we are close by.

Isn't this dangerous u two in the same room at the same time... Wont it affect the space time continuum or something and destroy the world !

Obv ur the same person and one is future vinny....but which one is it?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 05, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Wiiiiii, Nandos at 1 ftw, Celticalike, pm me your number and I'll ring you when we are close by.

Isn't this dangerous u two in the same room at the same time... Wont it affect the space time continuum or something and destroy the world !

Obv ur the same person and one is future vinny....but which one is it?

It'll be okay as long as we don't touch


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 06, 2012, 10:11:01 AM
1pm booked!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 07, 2012, 10:41:01 AM
Didnt get up to DTD for the satty as could not get out of Southend till 6.30 so Luton it was and i grinded (not literally) with tikay to the FT before an ill timed jam c/o v btn against a scandi who is over to watch Luton Town today wtf with A7 was met with a call and I didnt do a get there against his AQhh but it meant pops was one spt closer to the ££.

Today have had my 4th biggest single bet on a horse that was due out earlier this week at Ayr when they called the meeting off and although this is a slightly better race I am very hopefull.

I have invested £330 to WIN on PAPAMOA with £120 @ 7/2 W Hills (although they changed it to 11/4 as I walked from one hills shop to another in Nottingham town centre) and the rest at 3/1 with the magic sign and Corals.

The reason I fancy the horse is based on its last run which it definately showed it needed this kind of trip and soft/heavy ground!

Shall post my footie selections up later and GL to all in the deepstack today...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: FUN4FRASER on January 07, 2012, 11:01:13 AM
Didnt get up to DTD for the satty as could not get out of Southend till 6.30 so Luton it was and i grinded (not literally) with tikay to the FT before an ill timed jam c/o v btn against a scandi who is over to watch Luton Town today wtf with A7 was met with a call and I didnt do a get there against his AQhh but it meant pops was one spt closer to the ££.

Today have had my 4th biggest single bet on a horse that was due out earlier this week at Ayr when they called the meeting off and although this is a slightly better race I am very hopefull.

I have invested £330 to WIN on PAPAMOA with £120 @ 7/2 W Hills (although they changed it to 11/4 as I walked from one hills shop to another in Nottingham town centre) and the rest at 3/1 with the magic sign and Corals.

The reason I fancy the horse is based on its last run which it definately showed it needed this kind of trip and soft/heavy ground!

Shall post my footie selections up later and GL to all in the deepstack today...

Same horse had already been mentioned to me for the same reasons   13 55 @Newcastle

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/newcastle/13:55


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 07, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
Papa time.. Soz for the bok, gl us...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: JK on January 07, 2012, 01:23:38 PM
Sigh at being skint. Would lump the lot on :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on January 07, 2012, 01:29:53 PM
Didnt get up to DTD for the satty as could not get out of Southend till 6.30 so Luton it was and i grinded (not literally) with tikay to the FT before an ill timed jam c/o v btn against a scandi who is over to watch Luton Town today wtf with A7 was met with a call and I didnt do a get there against his AQhh but it meant pops was one spt closer to the ££.

Today have had my 4th biggest single bet on a horse that was due out earlier this week at Ayr when they called the meeting off and although this is a slightly better race I am very hopefull.

I have invested £330 to WIN on PAPAMOA with £120 @ 7/2 W Hills (although they changed it to 11/4 as I walked from one hills shop to another in Nottingham town centre) and the rest at 3/1 with the magic sign and Corals.

The reason I fancy the horse is based on its last run which it definately showed it needed this kind of trip and soft/heavy ground!

Shall post my footie selections up later and GL to all in the deepstack today...

Same horse had already been mentioned to me for the same reasons   13 55 @Newcastle

http://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing-betting/newcastle/13:55

It also has the assistance of Lucy Alexander who must be one of the best if not the best 5lb. claimer around.

On before I saw this.

GL us.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on January 07, 2012, 01:35:35 PM
on, did my absolute conkers on something last night so a bink would be good!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 07, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
Have 2 x £40 footie bets
both teams to score in  Coventry/Fleetwood/Newcastle/Norwich/Morecambe/Southend/Bath matches and then
over 2.5goals Brighton/N Forest/Watford/Carlisle/Falkirk/Elgin/Man City/Espanyol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on January 07, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
you could bet it at a big price half way round.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 07, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
Ran pretty tez and then stayed on at the end for 4th
Sighballs


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 07, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
you could bet it at a big price half way round.

Just got a text that it ran like a pig.. I'm guessing thats not good.. ???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 07, 2012, 02:13:52 PM
Looked like they were beating the shit out of it to even keep it running


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 07, 2012, 06:46:12 PM
Just awful!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Have 2 x £40 footie bets
both teams to score in  Coventry/Fleetwood/Newcastle/Norwich/Morecambe/Southend/Bath matches and then

over 2.5goals Brighton/N Forest/Watford/Carlisle/Falkirk/Elgin/Man City/Espanyol

Sigh just Port Vale not scoring let me down for a £1600 bink so coupled with the horse running averagely this is the running total pre poker

Sports betting +£449
Goals betting -£120
Football -£210
Horses -£330 (inc a free £30 bet from laddies)
Poker -£205
2012 P+L = -£416


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
Weekend Poker

After the horse had lost I arrived at DTD about 10mins into the comp and waited in line to enter to find out I was 25th reserve as there were not enough dealers and eventually got in just as level 2 was starting and was kind of regretting not looking around to see who was in line as this was going to be my starting table.  As tables go it wa pretty solid with Jamie Dale, Buzz Harvey and another of their cronies along with Lee Taylor, the fella who looks like Lee Mack another solid player I know and 2 randoms but I had good pos on Jamie and Buzz so it could have been worse.

I chipped up solidly in the first 2 levels we played before the break and was at 39k with a decent image but in the next 3 levels I tilted for the first time that I can remember and it was not down to the poker. I had already had the losing horse bet and normally this does not bother me in the slightest and with a footie bet running found myself watching the scores and not concentrating 100% on the poker which is crazy as that's what I am there for and obv I cannot change what is going on with the footie and should just check the scores on the break (this is a leak for me that I shall defo sort out) and although I did not decimate or butcher any hands I felt that as full time happened and I was 1 goal off a £1600 win I was a bit pissed off.

So having had a quiet few levels and down to 31k at 200/400/25 the co who was a random and imo the worst player on the table opens to 1600 which he does every time its folded to his co (he has recently lost a pot when he called an 4b jam having been the or for 60% of his stack with A10o) and the btn who knows what he is doing 3b's to 3500 and not having been mega active decide to 4b from the sb with  Jh Kh to 8200 hoping to pick up the pot there alas after a dwell and the orignal raiser fold he makes it 18k and with no manoeuvrability left dwell fold and am under starting stack for the first time today.

After picking up a couple of small pots comes my exit hand with the blinds now up at 300/600/50 I raise to 1600 from 24600 with  Ad Kd and a new player who I have been tustling with flats in mp, it folds to the random in the sb who Jams for 12600 and the chap from the KJhh hand 4b's to 30k effectively setting me or the flatter all in.

I called and am still not sure if it is the correct call so gonna post in PHA to see who calls and I get Ko'd and depart back to the hotel to watch the NFL...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 01:40:28 PM
Sunday is another Day..

After a lay in I arrive back at DTD for the £150 plus a sweat having bought 1% of Dubai pre Xmas and sit down with a decent table until Ben Vinson turns up on my left and fortunately for me he receives a pretty brutal beat to leave him with 1k at 50/100 and then busts out with me steadily chipping away with some cheeky 3b's and some get theres having been the agressor in pos getting value in all spots.

2 table moves happen as the blinds start to rise and from 4/800 to 8/1600 I am spot and card dead so grind it out with a 20k stack and then move to table McCluskey/Ho and it is obv that we have to be jamming and re-jamming some good spots here to survive as most of the table have less than 10bb's, it amazes me that players just fold and fold in these comps and on a break I had a really good chat with Mark and feel he is a really good addition to Team Eureka although I am not too sure what his dance moves are like though!!

At level 2/4000 and 3/6000 I was just jamming paint, pairs, suited 1/2 gappers against the nits and was on the receiving end of some beats and coolers and probably had a tez table image but sailed through the bubble and then with Mark having rejoined the table to my immediate left found a raise fold with A10 v JJ and then next hand jammed my now 10bigs with  Td Jh and he found dem cowboys to knock me out for a min cash of £275 and one more hendon mob flag than Herbie has this year  ;)

What a legend Dubai is though and in only my second stake ever think I should now give up!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 01:47:58 PM
Have 2 x £40 footie bets
both teams to score in  Coventry/Fleetwood/Newcastle/Norwich/Morecambe/Southend/Bath matches and then

over 2.5goals Brighton/N Forest/Watford/Carlisle/Falkirk/Elgin/Man City/Espanyol

Sigh just Port Vale not scoring let me down for a £1600 bink so coupled with the horse running averagely this is the running total pre poker

Sports betting +£449
Goals betting -£120
Football -£210
Horses -£330 (inc a free £30 bet from laddies)
Poker -£205
2012 P+L = -£416

Post Poker results
Sports betting +£449
Goals betting -£120
Football -£210
Horses -£330
Poker +£1340.28 (inc Dubai stake based on xe.com)  ammended after Dubai HU deal

21012 P+L = +£1129.28


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on January 09, 2012, 01:49:15 PM
Staking and poker should be seperate imo. No wool over these eyes!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
Staking and poker should be seperate imo. No wool over these eyes!!
I inlcude all my punts together big man as it all goes in and out of the same empty pot  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 10, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Work has been incred since the start of the year and we have currently smashed in 4 sales for about £14000 nett business at the end of the first week  :) with the other offices still waiting to get into a positive on the month.

Desperately trying to get a pass out for another weekend up in Notts for the grand prix this weekend and will worry about telling Petra I would need to be back the following weekend later (in before "you never make day 2 anyway")

My main goal for this week is to make at least 2 visits to the gym as need to get back into it!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: TheChipPrince on January 11, 2012, 01:06:52 AM
Total for Dubai is about £400 less as he did a deal FYI


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 11, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Total for Dubai is about £400 less as he did a deal FYI
Yeah noticed in the thread y/day gonna change today

tyty


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 09:58:28 AM
Kiss a prince  runs today   no call as stable jockey is not riding out for yard   i am omit at 7s since last night for 120 win and 80 place


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: action man on January 14, 2012, 10:05:19 AM
lol mate we down on this horse now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on January 14, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
lol mate we down on this horse now
What does this mean Trigg?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on January 14, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
lol mate we down on this horse now
What does this mean Trigg?

It means he's on unless I'm very much mistaken.

I am too, the 9/2 on BF looks decent valuuuuuu.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on January 14, 2012, 12:28:33 PM
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

WAL...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on January 14, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
 ;woohoo;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 14, 2012, 12:33:54 PM
Nice scoop rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
Wiii  missed 9's last night with 365 then took best available price to wake up to a 7/2 shot plus I have that pass out for the weekend so in Nottingham already...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on January 14, 2012, 12:38:38 PM
Wiii  missed 9's last night with 365 then took best available price to wake up to a 7/2 shot plus I have that pass out for the weekend so in Nottingham already...
living the dream mate. winner winner chicken dinner


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on January 14, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
sigh missed the thread


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 01:16:40 PM
Footie so far am on
40 both to score   villa/hull/yeovil/northampton/shrewsbury  return 738.17

Speculative 25 on over 2goals  west brom/brighton/ipswich/milwall/bournemouth/brentford/mk dons/cheltenham/port vale/  Newcastle (sun)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
sigh missed the thread
my bad mate shoulda texted you but got up late and was driving to notts   sry  owe u one


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
^^^ sry 2 after last weekend ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 14, 2012, 01:35:07 PM
Added 
over 50pts  Denver v new England/  kist to beat hankey / kidderminster to beat droylesdon 80 treble returns 387.69

35 over 2 goals ipswich / mk dons / accrington / motherwell / athletico madrid / marseille   returns 1490.09


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 14, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
Sigh that's the first time I haven't backed it since last time it won too :(

Congrats everyone that got on!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 15, 2012, 01:15:10 PM
Added  
over 50pts  Denver v new England/  kist to beat hankey / kidderminster to beat droylesdon 80 treble returns 387.69

35 over 2 goals ipswich / mk dons / accrington / motherwell / athletico madrid / marseille   returns 1490.09

winner on top part so will update totals after weekend
today am on   over 2 goals in the  Swansea v Arsenal and Marseille v Lille matches 100 double returns approx 453.68 on BF


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 12:26:38 PM
Had a pretty sweet weekend all in all!!

Obviously it's nice to start off with a winner on the gee gees and then I played day 1a of the grand prix and had a fun starting table with Craigbetts to my right, I had never met him before but he is defo a ledge and we both got busted in pretty gross spots but meh!
I then played the £150 six max and took a very strong line against a young kid who unfortunately became a wizard calling all in ott drawing at best to 3 outs as the hand had played unfortunately I had the air part of my range so his A high was goood and we departed to watch the NFL back at the hotel.

This year is the first that I have really watched the NFL but after looking at the shrewdies bets and copying a few I have really got into it, so it was a late night before going back to DTD for day 1b where we had a dream table with only 1 semi competant player who was oop and without much difficulty doubled the ss to 30k and then 36k as the table broke and maintained this through another break until we joined Frankies table where the run bad started to happen.   With the blinds going up and really needing to bring back 100k we lost a race against a shortie AK v 99 lost 67dd v 44 on a 459dd board in an iso raised pot and then got educated by the 44 guy as to how well he played his hand  mbn to know how to play sets well when ur oppo has a big draw!!

Then I made a questionable play and realised I need to stop spewing in these spots as I donated 13k out of a 26k stack and will post the hand on pha (obv its gonna be a fold pre) and we were grinding with the average at 35k we needed a double through which came at 4/800/50 and down to 10 bigs having raise folded twice we jammed a lp raise from a middle aged guy with  Td Kd he nit rolled me with  Aspades Qh and got his comeuppence on the King ball turn to get a full double through to 18k and next orbit was lucky to find dem aces with the young guy from my spew hand who had "the beltons" and we held to have 3/4 average going into the last 2 levels of the day.

With blinds at 8/1600/100 and then 1/2000/200 plus the drive next weekend I was prepared to take a shot if required to get 100k plus but didnt get a spot except a couple of jams until with 25 minutes left the young guy who turned out to be my nemesis open jammed 34k from utg+2 and we open up AK and follow him into the pot for 34300 then the bb dwells and checks his cards over and over so now  I am hoping the villain does not have a pair as I'm pretty sure the BB has one of my outs and after his dwell he folds declaring AQ and we have the villain dominated with him holding AJ, unfortunately I dont seem to "race well"  ;) in these spots and the jack on the flop sealed my fate with the 300 left making its way in next hand and me making my way down the M1...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 12:36:39 PM
Pre weekend totals

Sports betting +£449
Goals betting -£120
Football -£210
Horses -£330
Poker +£1340.28 (inc Dubai stake based on xe.com)  ammended after Dubai HU deal

21012 P+L = +£1129.28
[/quote]

Had all bets declared itt and Marseille match was 2-0 so no double up and also took a further £12 off as an adjustment from Dubai, so footie goals losses were £200 over the weekend and profit on horses was £911.44 after comm on bf, sports +£307.69 and poker -£268 inc the 2 shots at the grand prix and the 6max event.

Current P+L
Sports betting +£756.69
Goals betting -£320
Football -£210
Horses +£581.44
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£1868.41


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on January 16, 2012, 05:47:38 PM
It was an absolute pleasure sharing a table with Mr Eso Kral and chatting rhubarb until the antes came in!

Just to say, I busted by p poor play on my own behalf and you were taken to the cleaners by a Poker Enc*** (not sure if I can say here) pro who was badged up to the max. Just think you were mocking him, then he had your life.... Implied odds they call it.

Will post my top 2 tips of all time in a while on that thread!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
It was an absolute pleasure sharing a table with Mr Eso Kral and chatting rhubarb until the antes came in!

Just to say, I busted by p poor play on my own behalf and you were taken to the cleaners by a Poker Enc*** (not sure if I can say here) pro who was badged up to the max. Just think you were mocking him, then he had your life.... Implied odds they call it.

Will post my top 2 tips of all time in a while on that your thread!
fyp 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Bully87 on January 16, 2012, 07:55:52 PM
Sorry Eso, gg though. The beltons, classic...I needed a bucket for that hand.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: AdamM on January 16, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
having another crack Friday mate, or is that it?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 10:46:46 PM
Sorry Eso, gg though. The beltons, classic...I needed a bucket for that hand.
was that you then?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
having another crack Friday mate, or is that it?
Nah bud thats it for me for this one, gl to your good self over the  weekend!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on January 16, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
gl in the LVTCIII

(this is an obv bok attempt)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 16, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
Girgles can you play cos u work mainly evenings right?


Yea i checked the dates are mainly Monday and Thursday so can play ;)

girgy i have almost played the same amount of games as you pull ya fackin socks up!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
gl in the LVTCIII

(this is an obv bok attempt)
Lol thx guy, dont worry I am not going for your no1 spot!!

Edit and u2 just saw you are still in!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Bully87 on January 16, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Sorry Eso, gg though. The beltons, classic...I needed a bucket for that hand.
was that you then?

Indeed I was the guy with the privelege of being elbowed by every dealer in Seat 10.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2012, 11:50:54 PM
Sorry Eso, gg though. The beltons, classic...I needed a bucket for that hand.
was that you then?

Indeed I was the guy with the privelege of being elbowed by every dealer in Seat 10.
Lol  nice to meet u as I said in PHA  gl Saturday!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 17, 2012, 11:51:08 AM
IS IT A BOOM!!

We have so far this month agreed sales on over £35'000 in fees for the month which is a whole months sales in 2 weeks but cant put it down to anything in particular as we have not done any special work, I guess we just seem to have some saleable properties at the correct price!!
#dontletitend

Finished 8th in the LVTC rebuy last night which is my first ft and comes on the back of 2 x 30th odd placed finishes and means "The Ho's" remain embedded in the top 20 and hopefully another decent result this week can get us close to the top 10 ready for the live final.
I was on the tables with a few blondies and shared some banter along the way with Al, Claypole etc etc   roll on Thursday.

Today is a half day off which I never normally do but I got caught speeding before xmas and have to do a 1/2 day driving course on Friday so Maxwell and I are going on a boys day out!!!

#lovinglifeatm


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 17, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Well done in the lvtc mate. i was on laptop at dtd but couldn't get on encore :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 17, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
Well done in the lvtc mate. i was on laptop at dtd but couldn't get on encore :(
Yeah saw that bud but looking at where u finished on DTD's site you would have been back home in time to log in  ;D

You playing Thurs then?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 17, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
Well done in the lvtc mate. i was on laptop at dtd but couldn't get on encore :(
Yeah saw that bud but looking at where u finished on DTD's site you would have been back home in time to log in  ;D

You playing Thurs then?

siiiiigh

we were actually back in Leeds for the £50 comp at gala which mama g came 5th in for £270 so not a bad night afterall.

Will prob be in thurs.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 17, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
Well done in the lvtc mate. i was on laptop at dtd but couldn't get on encore :(
Yeah saw that bud but looking at where u finished on DTD's site you would have been back home in time to log in  ;D

You playing Thurs then?

siiiiigh

we were actually back in Leeds for the £50 comp at gala which mama g came 5th in for £270 so not a bad night afterall.

Will prob be in thurs.
Make sure you play at least another 4 events Girgles as otherwise you dont qualify to play the live final!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 17, 2012, 01:17:43 PM
Well done in the lvtc mate. i was on laptop at dtd but couldn't get on encore :(
Yeah saw that bud but looking at where u finished on DTD's site you would have been back home in time to log in  ;D

You playing Thurs then?

siiiiigh

we were actually back in Leeds for the £50 comp at gala which mama g came 5th in for £270 so not a bad night afterall.

Will prob be in thurs.
Make sure you play at least another 4 events Girgles as otherwise you dont qualify to play the live final!!

I know chief.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
Previous P+L
Sports betting +£756.69
Goals betting -£320
Football -£210
Horses +£581.44
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£1868.41

Backed 2 horses for £30 each y/day against an even money shot to no avail so new total as follows

Current P+L
Sports betting +£756.69
Goals betting -£320
Football -£210
Horses +£521.44
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£1808.41


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
£45 on Cedre Bleu  1.30 Newbury at 2.08 bf


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 18, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
£45 on Cedre Bleu  1.30 Newbury at 2.08 bf

Niiiiice xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 02:00:01 PM
Followed the forum in on "The New One" in the champion bumper at Cheltenham  £23.99 invested at 19.5 & 20 on bf


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
I got 17.0 on bf :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
I got 17.0 on bf :(
It will probs get slightly bigger over time Raymondo so u can top up a tenner here and there over the next few weeks!!

I took the price before you then  wiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
I was going to do it tonight after the grind then saw the posts on that thread and here and thought I'll get in before it's evens. Going all out on Cheltenaham this year, gonna be incred.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 02:22:15 PM
I was going to do it tonight after the grind then saw the posts on that thread and here and thought I'll get in before it's evens. Going all out on Cheltenaham this year, gonna be incred.
Its one of my fav times of the year not even from a big betting perspective just the overall buzz, I have a few placepots and perm them up looking for a monster result and then a couple of punts across the days!!
I remember reading in your own diary how much you loved it!!

Cheltenham ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 02:30:03 PM
Normally have a little flutter but nothing to get me excited so always just for the buzz off the week like you say. But this year me Dad's had money off me every week and has saved himself, he normally has max bet £2 so is well up for it, he's taking full week off so plan is go get a paper go to the pub for grub home for all the racing then back to the pub, #excitedalready.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 02:34:14 PM
Normally have a little flutter but nothing to get me excited so always just for the buzz off the week like you say. But this year me Dad's had money off me every week and has saved himself, he normally has max bet £2 so is well up for it, he's taking full week off so plan is go get a paper go to the pub for grub home for all the racing then back to the pub, #excitedalready.
Less than 8 weeks to go now!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 18, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_piqZFeb0OKE/Sw42keLxj5I/AAAAAAAAA1w/kMwl5nq3Fsc/s1600/DavidShepherdNew.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on January 18, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
nice girgy!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 18, 2012, 03:32:05 PM
nice girgy!

just got it in ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
nice girgy!
got it now!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 03:58:25 PM
On the strength of a text from a fellow blondie I am now on Chapoturgeon  in the 4.15 Newbury £36 to win £150.25 and place market £24 to win £22.70


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 18, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
On the strength of a text from a fellow blondie I am now on Chapoturgeon  in the 4.15 Newbury £36 to win £150.25 and place market £24 to win £22.70

Dean ' i'll bet on anything ' Morris follows blindly with a cheeky £25 EW


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Doobs on January 18, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
I was surprised to see this running in a hunter chase.  Just come right in from 5.4 to 4.1 in a couple of minutes on betfair


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 18, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
I was surprised to see this running in a hunter chase.  Just come right in from 5.4 to 4.1 in a couple of minutes on betfair

power of Blonde puntering imo...we move markets with our 25 quid bets :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Doobs on January 18, 2012, 04:22:01 PM
I only put £20 on.  :)

Now where is that best tip ever thread


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 18, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
Nice


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 18, 2012, 04:26:21 PM
did we just win...blimey !! think i got the right stream and saw our boy cantering over the line...nice one chaps


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
On the strength of a text from a fellow blondie I am now on Chapoturgeon  in the 4.15 Newbury £36 to win £150.25 and place market £24 to win £22.70

Dean ' i'll bet on anything ' Morris follows blindly with a cheeky £25 EW
NBA/Hunter Chases are all the same!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on January 18, 2012, 04:56:58 PM

You missed monda's last week, despite me calling for you. Fkin let down.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 04:58:04 PM

You missed monda's last week, despite me calling for you. Fkin let down.
Lolololol  sry we cant all be cash game pros with nothing to do except scour blonde all day!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 05:00:50 PM
Confused ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
On Shaunas Spirit in the 725 kempton    92 to win 86 in the place and 42.49 to win 181.58 on the nose

update totals later


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on January 18, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Confused ?

Aren't you always?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 06:59:46 PM
True.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 18, 2012, 07:11:31 PM
On Shaunas Spirit in the 725 kempton    92 to win 86 in the place and 42.49 to win 181.58 on the nose

update totals later

On ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 18, 2012, 07:21:22 PM

its David shepherd rip

always used to stand on one leg when a team was on nelson ie 111 222 333 etc


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on January 18, 2012, 07:42:58 PM
Bink, def following the Kral's tips from now on


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 18, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
I guess that's what the Scottish mug was talking about in my thread last week, cheers Girgy.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 18, 2012, 08:02:33 PM
Bink !  2 winners in a day....nice one the eso... free rolling nba and real madrid tonight...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on January 18, 2012, 08:21:51 PM
I guess that's what the Scottish mug was talking about in my thread last week, cheers Girgy.

Spot on mondamackem.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
3 winners y/day
Cedreu Bleu won £46.22 after comm
Chapoturgeon won £164.49 after comm
and Shauna's Spirit wins £253.57 after comm

ironed out £78 on Wolves Birmingham and £50 on Real Madrid v Barca both in running so totals now

Current P+L
Sports betting +£756.69
Goals betting -£320
Football -£338
Horses +£985.72
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2144.69

Dont really see anything I like today yet!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 11:53:30 AM
Have invested on Camels tip but only in the place market so am on £100.01 to win £68.54 before comm

Am also backing Dualla Lord in the 1.20 @ Taunton and had £60 to win £72, this horse won 4 p2points out of 4 which is a rare occurance and although it fell on its chase debut I am hoping that this is a confidence booster before sticking it back over the fences.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 19, 2012, 01:10:17 PM
On Dualla Lord, I dont follow all your tips but am 3/3 on the ones i have!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
On Dualla Lord, I dont follow all your tips but am 3/3 on the ones i have!
Not imaginative I'm afraid but hopefully a winner is a winner!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
On Dualla Lord, I dont follow all your tips but am 3/3 on the ones i have!
Not imaginative I'm afraid but hopefully a winner is a winner!!
or not after the self bok   need the camels help now!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on January 19, 2012, 01:33:04 PM
Whip rule stopped your horse winning?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 02:42:20 PM
Currently winning £5.18 on day after Camels horse finished 3rd to land the place odds and didnt back the win as had missed the price!

Final bet is on and is place market again  2.50 Taunton  matched earlier on £57 at 2.03 to win £58.8 on Express Leader (currently 1.77 to back and 1.87 to lay)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2012, 03:01:27 PM
Currently winning £5.18 on day after Camels horse finished 3rd to land the place odds and didnt back the win as had missed the price!

Final bet is on and is place market again  2.50 Taunton  matched earlier on £57 at 2.03 to win £58.8 on Express Leader (currently 1.77 to back and 1.87 to lay)
Major Sigh, shoulda traded out but the phone rang at work and missed my chance so lost £51.82 on day,  totals ammended including the £23.99 matched on the ante post bet from y/day.

Current P+L
Sports betting +£756.69
Goals betting -£320
Football -£338
Horses +£909.91
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2068.88


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 19, 2012, 04:01:26 PM
On Dualla Lord, I dont follow all your tips but am 3/3 on the ones i have!
Not imaginative I'm afraid but hopefully a winner is a winner!!

Its ok rather follow some fo your tips than my old method of liking a name and choosing!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 20, 2012, 03:25:10 PM
Safety Awareness

Today I have had to attend a Driving Safety Awareness course well when I say have to it's more of a doing it instead of taking the 3 pts option. Driving back from DTD in November I was a bit tired and must have nodded for a mili second and got caught n the static camera at the Fortune of War roundabout (for those that know it it's not a true roundabout) doing 46 in a 40 so not having had any points in the past 15 years decided to pay an extra £35 than the points and fine route and attend the course. I was more annoyed at not having stopped 10 mins earlier when I started to get tired as using this road every week I would never under other circumstances get caught speeding here.

I arrived early and had a coffee looking around the room at everyone else and was dressed in my suit as back at work this arvo before we were called through for our 4hours of pain.  I first of all thought we would be treated like naughty school kids and one of the trainers definately gave this feel but it was not so bad and despite the old guy next to me with eye brows that made Norman Lamont look tidy, bemoaning why he was caught and that it is the constant changes in speed on the roads that causes the accidents I can honestly say I came away from the course and took something from it!!

Obviously I can never promise that I wont speed again as that is impossible but definately feel I shall have a greater self discipline with driving in the future.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 20, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
Safety Awareness

Today I have had to attend a Driving Safety Awareness course well when I say have to it's more of a doing it instead of taking the 3 pts option. Driving back from DTD in November I was a bit tired and must have nodded for a mili second and got caught n the static camera at the Fortune of War roundabout (for those that know it it's not a true roundabout) doing 46 in a 40 so not having had any points in the past 15 years decided to pay an extra £35 than the points and fine route and attend the course. I was more annoyed at not having stopped 10 mins earlier when I started to get tired as using this road every week I would never under other circumstances get caught speeding here.

I arrived early and had a coffee looking around the room at everyone else and was dressed in my suit as back at work this arvo before we were called through for our 4hours of pain.  I first of all thought we would be treated like naughty school kids and one of the trainers definately gave this feel but it was not so bad and despite the old guy next to me with eye brows that made Norman Lamont look tidy, bemoaning why he was caught and that it is the constant changes in speed on the roads that causes the accidents I can honestly say I came away from the course and took something from it!!

Obviously I can never promise that I wont speed again as that is impossible but definately feel I shall have a greater self discipline with driving in the future.

Did one of these courses just before Xmas as I thought I had been done twice within 2 weeks.

I thought they were really well put together and quite interesting.

Didnt stop me driving to pick a mate up after, talking to him whilst being on my phone and doing 52 in a 30 though.  ::)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 20, 2012, 04:52:28 PM
Was going to post a horse itt today that I put a small amount on last night and then topped up today when it was strong in the market but I had a pm today asking me for a tip to get someone out of a hole, obv with my sensible hat on I refrained from giving the horse as I could not be happy if it lost knowing someone had backed it to get out of trouble and then see it lost especially when it could be part of a bigger picture for me!

It won but that is not the point and I am a bit disappointed as I know some degens would have backed it and been happy so I shall post them up anyway as all my selections come with "buyer beware"!!!

Showed an overall profit of £128.84 after comm on bf

will update totals after weekend


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on January 21, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
http://timharford.com/2012/01/why-have-house-prices-stayed-so-high



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Bully87 on January 21, 2012, 10:47:29 AM
Safety Awareness

Today I have had to attend a Driving Safety Awareness course well when I say have to it's more of a doing it instead of taking the 3 pts option. Driving back from DTD in November I was a bit tired and must have nodded for a mili second and got caught n the static camera at the Fortune of War roundabout (for those that know it it's not a true roundabout) doing 46 in a 40 so not having had any points in the past 15 years decided to pay an extra £35 than the points and fine route and attend the course. I was more annoyed at not having stopped 10 mins earlier when I started to get tired as using this road every week I would never under other circumstances get caught speeding here.

I arrived early and had a coffee looking around the room at everyone else and was dressed in my suit as back at work this arvo before we were called through for our 4hours of pain.  I first of all thought we would be treated like naughty school kids and one of the trainers definately gave this feel but it was not so bad and despite the old guy next to me with eye brows that made Norman Lamont look tidy, bemoaning why he was caught and that it is the constant changes in speed on the roads that causes the accidents I can honestly say I came away from the course and took something from it!!

Obviously I can never promise that I wont speed again as that is impossible but definately feel I shall have a greater self discipline with driving in the future.

Confirmed. Watching a rerun of the M5 pileup in the 90s was pretty gross.

Also, confirmed I was youngest there by least 10 years, and the younger drivers are the danger on the road...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
http://timharford.com/2012/01/why-have-house-prices-stayed-so-high



Interesting read and very true imho, obv most of my readers are looking for some degen and maybe think this should have been posted on Tikay's or Dog's diary but nice touch Boshi bringing a bit of educational cureent affairs over here!!   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Safety Awareness

Today I have had to attend a Driving Safety Awareness course well when I say have to it's more of a doing it instead of taking the 3 pts option. Driving back from DTD in November I was a bit tired and must have nodded for a mili second and got caught n the static camera at the Fortune of War roundabout (for those that know it it's not a true roundabout) doing 46 in a 40 so not having had any points in the past 15 years decided to pay an extra £35 than the points and fine route and attend the course. I was more annoyed at not having stopped 10 mins earlier when I started to get tired as using this road every week I would never under other circumstances get caught speeding here.

I arrived early and had a coffee looking around the room at everyone else and was dressed in my suit as back at work this arvo before we were called through for our 4hours of pain.  I first of all thought we would be treated like naughty school kids and one of the trainers definately gave this feel but it was not so bad and despite the old guy next to me with eye brows that made Norman Lamont look tidy, bemoaning why he was caught and that it is the constant changes in speed on the roads that causes the accidents I can honestly say I came away from the course and took something from it!!

Obviously I can never promise that I wont speed again as that is impossible but definately feel I shall have a greater self discipline with driving in the future.

Confirmed. Watching a rerun of the M5 pileup in the 90s was pretty gross.

Also, confirmed I was youngest there by least 10 years, and the younger drivers are the danger on the road...

Wouldnt say all the younger drivers are but it was a defo eyeopener, interestingly most people on the course were my age or older only 4/30 in their twenties. I would imagine we are the group that drive 10-15% over the limit on certain roads and that dont pose a massive danger but need re-education!!

GL today bud use my chips well  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 01:12:06 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 21, 2012, 01:24:55 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 01:29:58 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
If you cannot score vs Burton you should start supporting Walsall!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 21, 2012, 01:41:18 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
If you cannot score vs Burton you should start supporting Walsall!!

Yea but will Burton score against us? ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
If you cannot score vs Burton you should start supporting Walsall!!

Yea but will Burton score against us? ;)

If Burton dont score against Bradford you should start supporting Walsall!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
Topped up another £130 on at 4/6 with laddies after seeing team news in the Blackpool game so now £310 @ 4/6    betfair currently  1.51 to lay


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 21, 2012, 04:00:00 PM
Today's Bets

Blackpool  £180 at 4/6 with Ladbrokes after intersting pm and confirmation from Redarmi that he is on

Ascot placepot £43.20   selections  3+6  /  1+3+4  /  1+2   / 4+11 / 4+7  /  11+12+15

Goals betting £30  over 2.5 goals   Barnsley/Birmingham/Burnley/Carlisle/Wycombe/Gillingham/Northampton/Shrewsbury

Both teams to score £40  Everton/Stoke/Bristol City/Charlton/Bradford/Crewe

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
If you cannot score vs Burton you should start supporting Walsall!!

Yea but will Burton score against us? ;)

If Burton dont score against Bradford you should start supporting Walsall!!  ;)

HOOOOOOOOOOOOLD


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 21, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Toasty life Mr AK.

Blackpool 2-1 90th min


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 21, 2012, 04:58:14 PM
Toasty life Mr AK.

Blackpool 2-1 90th min
Yeah could have been sweeter though as Sheff Utd failing to score costs £1358 in the both teams to score bet   ;)
More pleased for a Crab I know who invested a wee bit more than me!!

Crabs run good!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 21, 2012, 05:03:45 PM
Toasty life Mr AK.

Blackpool 2-1 90th min
Yeah could have been sweeter though as Sheff Utd failing to score costs £1358 in the both teams to score bet   ;)
More pleased for a Crab I know who invested a wee bit more than me!!

Crabs run good!!

yea ul on sheff utd


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 11:43:10 AM
Had a pretty decent weekend all in all punting and life wise!!

Upon leaving the office on Saturday I decided to swin against the tide slightly and back overs in the Bolton v Liverpool match which came in and then invested some profit in the following events over the weekend

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Sigh on the upload but it consists of a winning trade of about £30 on a spanish match, a winner tipped by Redarmi on the boxing thread, £200 placed on Man utd @2.9 which was laid off to get stake back at 1.1 with injury time to come and then 2 losing bets on the NFL games last night giving a total profit of £296.80 after comm from bf to go with the £93.47 profit from post footie on Saturday as detailed itt

Current P+L
Sports betting +£577.74
Goals betting -£256.25
Football +£210.67
Horses +£866.71
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2459.15

Obv I dont like after timing so posted BF account since 5pm saturday, had a nice day yesterday with Petra and Max and did some family/DIY stuff before watching the sport from 4pm yesterday afternoon..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
Today I am having my biggest ever horse bet and it will mean if it win I will possibly play Galway Ukipt in 3 weeks time as I cannot make the feb deepstack due to family stuff going on

It will come as no surprise that the horse in question is KISS A PRINCE in the 5.30 Wolverhampton, I know the knockers will say every time this horse runs I put it up and yes there may be some sentimental value in what I am saying today and this is only my own judgement as my contact at the stable is not at that yard for the moment but here goes..

1) When we backed it last time at Lingfield it went all the way round the outside on the last bend which is 2lengths approx worse off and still won cosily by a length or so  ( watch this and Trip Switch's friday race back if you can)
2) The second that day is called Trip Switch and I was gonna put itt on Friday but had a pm from someone wanting a tip to get out of trouble (happy to post bf screenshot if needed) and had £175 on but laid a bit back pre race, TRIP SWITCH came out and hosed up by 3 lengths friday
3) After KISS won last week the trainer said "He is off to the sales in February and there is only one more race out there for him before he goes" so if this is true then if they were not going to try  why a) send him out 9 days after his run and b) send him to Wolverhampton as their only entry of the day?
4) Shane Kelly is on Kiss again today and the mark is still 3lb lower than when we won at Xmas of 76 runs off 73 today and when it won that time it had also won 10 days before!!

I opened up a VC account yesterday and took the first price of 7/2 having £200 on in dribs and drabs before they changed the price and have today had £400 from my BF account at a variety of prices
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3038/kissz.png[/img]](http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3038/kissz.png) (http://[img width=600 height=185)
For me this horse owes me nothing I have backed it small when lost and sometimes E/W and Big when its won so can afford to be passionate and hope I am correct in today's analysis. Others in the race are being backed but the stable dont always play early so I am not too worried but really hope we do a win today and would be more worried if there is no pace on as we need a good pace than the fact its at Wolverhampton!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mulhuzz on January 23, 2012, 12:23:29 PM
flicked some money at this for good morale. let's get there.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on January 23, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
Gl and wp on not giving the tip to whoever wanted to get out of a hole. The only tip you shoulda given that person is give up.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 12:28:36 PM
nifty on..need cheering up....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 12:32:15 PM
Gl and wp on not giving the tip to whoever wanted to get out of a hole. The only tip you shoulda given that person is give up.
Cheers mate I actually saved my sent Pm's and was very grown up telling them that gambling to get out of the hole is the NUT worst thing they could do, sods law the one I wanted to post that day bolted up!!

Really hope Milligan84 gets himself out of it though!!   lolololol  persons named itt changed for roflamentpurposes


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on January 23, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
Gl and wp on not giving the tip to whoever wanted to get out of a hole. The only tip you shoulda given that person is give up.
Cheers mate I actually saved my sent Pm's and was very grown up telling them that gambling to get out of the hole is the NUT worst thing they could do, sods law the one I wanted to post that day bolted up!!

Really hope Milligan84 gets himself out of it though!!   lolololol  persons named itt changed for roflamentpurposes

what a priiiiiick. I am a skint changed man. Don't even punt anymore! especially after backing that Kiss a Prince Donkey twice..

No take aways, no gambling and a payrise at work you would think I would be loaded... This kid is looking at costing me 8.4k in child care per year, easily a few bags in nappies and food, let alone prams, cots, car seats, moses basket, bedroom furniture, video screen baby monitors (my only input), endless clothes.. Find out what we are having on Saturday. Nailed on a girl, but if by some miracle It turns out to be a boy, Eso is in the name list!  Need to start a dating agency, Fat guys for fat gals, if i do a short bald men one you are nailed on sunshine  ;) that or invent an iphone app!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 23, 2012, 12:56:02 PM
Gl with ya bet mate, i want ya to play galway so i'm not going to back it this time..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 02:51:05 PM
On Petomic  £40 win 9.66 on bf and  £40 @ 3.55 in place market after the legend that is Bopkin bumped his!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 02:51:38 PM
nifty on..need cheering up....
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   more for the NBA fund then


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 02:53:47 PM
nifty on..need cheering up....
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   more for the NBA fund then

needs feeding :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
Gl and wp on not giving the tip to whoever wanted to get out of a hole. The only tip you shoulda given that person is give up.
Cheers mate I actually saved my sent Pm's and was very grown up telling them that gambling to get out of the hole is the NUT worst thing they could do, sods law the one I wanted to post that day bolted up!!

Really hope Milligan84 gets himself out of it though!!   lolololol  persons named itt changed for roflamentpurposes

what a priiiiiick. I am a skint changed man. Don't even punt anymore! especially after backing that Kiss a Prince Donkey twice..

No take aways, no gambling and a payrise at work you would think I would be loaded... This kid is looking at costing me 8.4k in child care per year, easily a few bags in nappies and food, let alone prams, cots, car seats, moses basket, bedroom furniture, video screen baby monitors (my only input), endless clothes.. Find out what we are having on Saturday. Nailed on a girl, but if by some miracle It turns out to be a boy, Eso is in the name list!  Need to start a dating agency, Fat guys for fat gals, if i do a short bald men one you are nailed on sunshine  ;) that or invent an iphone app!
Nice to hear big man and well done on the weight loss you have going on atm. Imagine though if you shaved your toes you might have lost some this week!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
Gl with ya bet mate, i want ya to play galway so i'm not going to back it this time..
Hopefully me and the fellow Blondies who have backed him will buy you a beer Deano!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on January 23, 2012, 03:25:25 PM
On.

Good luck us.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
On Petomic  £40 win 9.66 on bf and  £40 @ 3.55 in place market after the legend that is Bopkin bumped his!!

just to win or e/w ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 23, 2012, 03:35:48 PM
On Petomic  £40 win 9.66 on bf and  £40 @ 3.55 in place market after the legend that is Bopkin bumped his!!

just to win or e/w ?

id say both as he's betting in the win and place markets.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 03:39:23 PM
On Petomic  £40 win 9.66 on bf and  £40 @ 3.55 in place market after the legend that is Bopkin bumped his!!

just to win or e/w ?

id say both as he's betting in the win and place markets.
^^


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 03:40:33 PM
On Petomic  £40 win 9.66 on bf and  £40 @ 3.55 in place market after the legend that is Bopkin bumped his!!

just to win or e/w ?

id say both as he's betting in the win and place markets.

lolz... [ ] good at horses...NBA ftw imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on January 23, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Well I've stopped reading the other tips threads so thanks for cross posting as I now have both.

Double good luck us.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 03:46:43 PM
Geeez... I really will bet on anything... anyone got some snails i can paint in bright colours...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 23, 2012, 04:24:54 PM
On for both, don't usually partake but bored at work and sweat needed for journey home.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 23, 2012, 04:26:20 PM
loyally on as per. Kiss a Prince has been so kind to me!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 23, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
wiiii petomic nailed it out that last bend!

Kiss a prince could make this a huge day!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 23, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
Lolz..sometimes it pays to not understand horses... put 30 quid on the nose 30 quid ew.... thought 365 had gone mad when they gave me nearly 800 quid....wiiiiii owe bopkino a guiness


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 23, 2012, 05:16:17 PM
Im on for £200 @ 11/4 lets dooooo this kiss a prince xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on January 23, 2012, 05:26:38 PM
Drifting big time


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: treefella on January 23, 2012, 05:36:51 PM
drifted bigtime ye and jockey was ridic bad. wtf !
something obv not quite right . shame cuda been an epic day .
least most people had some pie from the other horse


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 23, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
yer have to agree horse lost on purpose jockey never gave it a chance


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mulhuzz on January 23, 2012, 06:26:39 PM
horse lost because I backed it, obv.

sigh.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on January 23, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
horse lost because I backed it, obv.

sigh.

+1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 23, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
horse lost because I backed it, obv.

sigh.

+1

OOOPS.. looks like i owe some fellow blondies some beer instead.. ;hide;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 23, 2012, 07:03:44 PM
On for both, don't usually partake but bored at work and sweat needed for journey home.

Thanks to Bopkin £200 profit and thanks to Eso because I wouldn't have backed it if he didn't mention it ITT.
:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: titaniumbean on January 23, 2012, 07:27:47 PM
Safety Awareness

Today I have had to attend a Driving Safety Awareness course well when I say have to it's more of a doing it instead of taking the 3 pts option. Driving back from DTD in November I was a bit tired and must have nodded for a mili second and got caught n the static camera at the Fortune of War roundabout (for those that know it it's not a true roundabout) doing 46 in a 40 so not having had any points in the past 15 years decided to pay an extra £35 than the points and fine route and attend the course. I was more annoyed at not having stopped 10 mins earlier when I started to get tired as using this road every week I would never under other circumstances get caught speeding here.

I arrived early and had a coffee looking around the room at everyone else and was dressed in my suit as back at work this arvo before we were called through for our 4hours of pain.  I first of all thought we would be treated like naughty school kids and one of the trainers definately gave this feel but it was not so bad and despite the old guy next to me with eye brows that made Norman Lamont look tidy, bemoaning why he was caught and that it is the constant changes in speed on the roads that causes the accidents I can honestly say I came away from the course and took something from it!!

Obviously I can never promise that I wont speed again as that is impossible but definately feel I shall have a greater self discipline with driving in the future.

Confirmed. Watching a rerun of the M5 pileup in the 90s was pretty gross.

Also, confirmed I was youngest there by least 10 years, and the younger drivers are the danger on the road...

Wouldnt say all the younger drivers are but it was a defo eyeopener, interestingly most people on the course were my age or older only 4/30 in their twenties. I would imagine we are the group that drive 10-15% over the limit on certain roads and that dont pose a massive danger but need re-education!!

GL today bud use my chips well  ;)


I went on a red light awareness course and was deffo one of the youngest there. Out of a room of 25 only myself and 2 others knew the correct order of the traffic light sequence. One woman was just saying I always go through reds and always will......

It felt just like being in detention or something, we had a little man with a huge little man complex and he took great delight in saying things like "you're not technically criminals but alot of people will see you as that" and a tonne of moronic condescending stuff.

Everyone was meant to talk throughout the 3 hour course but I argued with the guy because he was an idiot and tried to humiliate me (he failed epicly otherwise I would have shut up) and we over ran by 20 minutes but the whole room thanked me at the end because no one else had to say a word or pay attention!


Was obviously worth it relative to not getting points but it beggers belief how bad some people can be and think that they are good.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 23, 2012, 07:57:56 PM
Just got in from a late meeting not knowing the result and after seeing Petomic run thought we were on for an epic sweat, sorry for all that backed just mine obv ran too bad to be true and I'm gutted.

A big thank you to Bopkin who obv got a big winner and stopped me wiping out loadsa my profit for yr so far
This was my BF
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8328/todayh.jpg[/img]](http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8328/todayh.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=275)

plus the £200 with VC means that overall on the day I lost   £176.06

update totals after LVTC


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 12:00:15 PM
Current P+L  after Kiss's poor run and the Bopkin winner
Sports betting +£577.74
Goals betting -£256.25
Football +£210.67
Horses +£690.65
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2283.09



Today am playing on the Leicester total winning distances being more than 51lengths  £73.94 invested to win £176.61 before comm on BF
Edit am now a £109.67 loser on under 37 lengths and win £8.60 if 37-51inc comes in and £140.88 if overs in.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 24, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Hi Eso, bets like the Leicester distance interest me in that since when has that kind of bet been available?
Obviously with the dawn of computers statistical analysis has become main stream and accessible to anyone who wants the numbers. Do you use any specific tools or just your own judgement on viewing the racing media?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: hector62 on January 24, 2012, 12:34:26 PM
I am interested in your thought processes on this distance bet. I love betting on the distance market and usually need a compelling reason to go for  the overs i.e heavy ground, races over 3 miles or very small fields none of which seem to apply here so my initial thoughts are to go low.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 12:42:40 PM
Hi Eso, bets like the Leicester distance interest me in that since when has that kind of bet been available?
Obviously with the dawn of computers statistical analysis has become main stream and accessible to anyone who wants the numbers. Do you use any specific tools or just your own judgement on viewing the racing media?

Hi Andy,

The distances bet has been around for years afaik and you get offered 3 bets eg Leicester today  under 37/ 37-51inc/ over 51 alas I am no comp geek like your goodself and only play this bet on certain tracks and Leicester is one I like to play if the conditions are soft/wet/windy as the straight is very long and you can get a 15-20 distance even with decent size fields.
TBH it's more of a punt but a couple of decent early results could mean a small trade out later on plus there is a 4 runner race in the middle which has the potential to make up a few lengths.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
I am interested in your thought processes on this distance bet. I love betting on the distance market and usually need a compelling reason to go for  the overs i.e heavy ground, races over 3 miles or very small fields none of which seem to apply here so my initial thoughts are to go low.
See above re Leicester as a track, I think middle is closer than low here today imho and if I can get a slightly bigger price may be tempted to add some middle in.
Races 2/4/5 have potential today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on January 24, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
Hi Eso, bets like the Leicester distance interest me in that since when has that kind of bet been available?
Obviously with the dawn of computers statistical analysis has become main stream and accessible to anyone who wants the numbers. Do you use any specific tools or just your own judgement on viewing the racing media?

Hi Andy,

The distances bet has been around for years afaik and you get offered 3 bets eg Leicester today  under 37/ 37-51inc/ over 51 alas I am no comp geek like your goodself and only play this bet on certain tracks and Leicester is one I like to play if the conditions are soft/wet/windy as the straight is very long and you can get a 15-20 distance even with decent size fields.
TBH it's more of a punt but a couple of decent early results could mean a small trade out later on plus there is a 4 runner race in the middle which has the potential to make up a few lengths.


Cheers.

I wonder if there are any tools that do this type of analysis? (there probably is somewhere)
As I'm a racing numpty, do you know where a good place to look for racing data? If there is I could look at developing the analysis.

I imagine this how bookies work out the prices but as with all bookies sometimes they get it wrong enabling an exploitable system.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 24, 2012, 01:09:53 PM
Awaiting a punting tip today. Ive been given a small one on a long shot. Walklikeaman. Bf says 110/1 on the win and 20/1 on the place cant see him winning if price that bad? Gone small on it anyways


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 24, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
ESO KRALLLLLLLLLLLLL

up 2 bags already, must be nice :'(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Awaiting a punting tip today. Ive been given a small one on a long shot. Walklikeaman. Bf says 110/1 on the win and 20/1 on the place cant see him winning if price that bad? Gone small on it anyways

GL with this it was 10/1 in the racingpost price guide and was 3/1 on debut, so hope it has all 4 legs in place!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 01:22:42 PM
ESO KRALLLLLLLLLLLLL

up 2 bags already, must be nice :'(

Yeah but i spend it like it's going out of fashion and if it was not for the Bopkinator who turned a £600 losing day into a £176 losing one and also 1% of Mr Shallow it would be a bowl of rice!!
Read your blog today, amazeballs read imo and can tell you REALLYLOVETHEGAME!!

Mucho respecto!!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
Bet middle now  original post ammended

#swimmingagainstthetideftw



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Hairydude on January 24, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Awaiting a punting tip today. Ive been given a small one on a long shot. Walklikeaman. Bf says 110/1 on the win and 20/1 on the place cant see him winning if price that bad? Gone small on it anyways

On for £1.5 e/w for giggles


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on January 24, 2012, 01:45:34 PM
Was worth the price..... well i had a couple of seconds hope half way round.

Ill stick to Eso's tips


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2012, 07:10:29 PM
On Under 2.5 goals   Torquay vs Dagenham  5/6  £70


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
On Under 2.5 goals   Torquay vs Dagenham  5/6  £70

Winner winner but after I could not find a double figure winning distance to even break even yesterday it was a total loss of £51.34 yesterday with new totals below!!

Sports betting +£577.74
Goals betting -£197.92
Football +£210.67
Horses +£580.98
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2231.75



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2012, 12:28:56 PM
Had a text from stable lad to say HEREFORD BOY 2.20 Lingfield and it was backed early on today from 6/1

I have to say personally I think this horse is a wrongun as it never seems to want to go past at the lollipop so dont be surprised if there is a short head either way!!

Therefore I have backed small win  £30 to win £144 and mostly in the place market at a variety of odds £286.62 to win £280.98

I have noted that Hills have a market for the horse to finish TOP 3 for which this is EVENS!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9728/placed.png[/img]](http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9728/placed.png) (http://[img width=600 height=187)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3527/wincd.png[/img]](http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3527/wincd.png) (http://[img width=600 height=204)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on January 25, 2012, 01:53:53 PM
Found a free £20 in my boylesports account so behind hereford boy for a little sweat. Only 4/1 though

gl us


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 25, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
On for a score too lets goooooooo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on January 25, 2012, 02:15:45 PM
30 on the nose


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redarmi on January 25, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
You pretty much called that perfectly Rich....thanks had double the win bet as a place bet.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
You pretty much called that perfectly Rich....thanks had double the win bet as a place bet.
Thx Stuart, it always flatters to deceive so EVENS top 3 was a big price imo although I was sure we might get chinned on the line we he was stopping!!


@ Sicillidonk, Marky, Dan (confirmed hero) please back according to the thread "from small acorns"!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2012, 06:39:06 PM
£150 on Man City to qualify tonight at 3.25 on bf but may trade if they go in front


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 27, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Updated totals since Hereford Boy and Man City bet which i didnt lay either time they were 1 goal to the good!

Sports betting +£577.74
Goals betting -£197.92
Football +£60.67
Horses +£818.47
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2319.24



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 27, 2012, 04:29:10 PM
I have LAYED Garstang in the 5.10 at wolverhampton in the PLACE market £100 @ 2.27 average odds to lose £127

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png[/img]](http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png) (http://[IMG)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on January 27, 2012, 09:27:21 PM
I have LAYED Garstang in the 5.10 at wolverhampton in the PLACE market £100 @ 2.27 average odds to lose £127

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png[/img]](http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png) (http://[img width=600 height=195)


I have absalutly no idea what this Post means!

 ;frustrated;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on January 27, 2012, 11:15:18 PM
lol. you think you are stupid confused lee....i just saw his avatar and thought "why the hell is lildave doing all these bets?"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SirPerceval on January 28, 2012, 08:47:49 AM
did I miss something? what happened to the to £100k challenge thing?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 28, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
did I miss something? what happened to the to £100k challenge thing?

Ran out of bullets...  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 28, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
did I miss something? what happened to the to £100k challenge thing?
Gonna start up again next week  ;)
Think bullet 7


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 28, 2012, 02:13:15 PM
Today am on

Over 2.5goals double £85   Bolton and Hartlepool  returns £269

Short priced treble   Big Bucks 1/4 / Bayern Munich 1/6 / Blackpool  8/11   pays roughly 6/4  £100

Both to score  Millwall/Exeter/Wimbledon/Port Vale/Braintree  £30 returns £441

Over 2.5 Goals   Sheff Utd/West Brom/Brentford/Leyton Orient/Barnet/Forest Green/Stockport/Bayern Munich  £25 returns £2032

Total staked £240


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on January 28, 2012, 03:41:57 PM
Why don't you like LilDave ?  ;D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 28, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Why don't you like LilDave ?  ;D
Loooooooooooool must have been blondraped  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on January 28, 2012, 08:40:43 PM
Why don't you like LilDave ?  ;D
Loooooooooooool must have been blondraped  ;)

Braped  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 29, 2012, 11:45:07 AM
£150 on sunderland @ 4/6


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 30, 2012, 11:17:56 AM
I have LAYED Garstang in the 5.10 at wolverhampton in the PLACE market £100 @ 2.27 average odds to lose £127

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png[/img]](http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7100/garstang.png) (http://[img width=600 height=195)


I have absalutly no idea what this Post means!

 ;frustrated;
Sorry Lee, basically it meant that I was betting that Garstang would not be in the first 3 horses in that race and was prepared to wager £127 of my monies and if I was correct I won £100 less comission and if as in this case I was wrong obv lost the £127.
It was on a website called Betfair or BF as people abbreviate where people can back their judgement against others and in most cases the prices are better than a traditional bookie.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 30, 2012, 11:27:11 AM
Post weekend Totals

Sports betting +£477.74
Goals betting -£68.92
Football -£89.33
Horses +£691.47
Poker +£1060.28
2012 P+L +£2071.24





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 30, 2012, 11:57:12 AM
Had the whole weekend off and was very DIY Saturday except for watching the various sports on TV, I managed to put together our fire surround from a sleeper (not railway) and make it look ok which is completely not my domain  ;)

Not a winning weekend but am holding my own for the month so far with 2 days left to go and managed to win a seat to the £150 deepstack weekend in Mid Feb last night in a satty for 30 euro as there were only 40 runners and 10 seats gtd!! ( I will only declare any reloads onto my poker accounts in my totals and currently have $$ on and I dont count the online bits I play in my totals just the deposits)

Gutted I wont be able to play the deepstack this weekend due to family commitments and I get to play pretty much when I want so cant complain at missing 1 or 2 events like this or the SPT this weekend.

I have also decided to have another shot at my £40 to £££ challenge but have changed the amount I am going for as £20k as its more realistic and even though I am still a mini degen would not know if I truly would have £60k to win £100k as the final bet as I am looking to start a business this year and the ££ would come in very handy!!

You can find the challenge here   http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=55154.0  and I shall be using my own judgemnet as well as the many fine contributors to the Betting tips boards for my selections!!





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 30, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
I am still a mini degen

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on January 30, 2012, 01:03:24 PM
I am still a mini degen

(http://media.fakeposters.com/results/2010/12/08/c2j3k61mzd.jpg)

QFT


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on January 30, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
I think it's fair to say that you're a standard degen rather than a mini one.

Just because you used to be a huge degen doesn't mean you can downgrade your current status to mini.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 30, 2012, 01:43:57 PM
I think it's fair to say that you're a standard degen rather than a mini one.

Just because you used to be a huge degen doesn't mean you can downgrade your current status to mini.
True True but I certainly have more control over that side of me than I ever had before and whilst you could never say never could not see myself putting me or family in position I did before!
I guess I grew up a bit!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on January 30, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
I think it's fair to say that you're a standard degen rather than a mini one.

Just because you used to be a huge degen doesn't mean you can downgrade your current status to mini.
True True but I certainly have more control over that side of me than I ever had before and whilst you could never say never could not see myself putting me or family in position I did before!
I guess I grew up a bit!!


you stopped growing a long time ago Eso fella.

in before you say I didn't..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 30, 2012, 01:47:35 PM
I think it's fair to say that you're a standard degen rather than a mini one.

Just because you used to be a huge degen doesn't mean you can downgrade your current status to mini.
True True but I certainly have more control over that side of me than I ever had before and whilst you could never say never could not see myself putting me or family in position I did before!
I guess I grew up a bit!!


you stopped growing a long time ago Eso fella.

in before you say I didn't..
Would I???  I would only get flamed by Girgles for making you add a few ££ ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 01, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
Added in £15 e/w on Midnight Chase for Gold Cup at Cheltenham after CAMEL'S advice in Brent's thread.
And added in the £40 from my next bullet in £40 to £20k challenge but wont post winnings until cash out at some point!!

Month End Totals
Sports betting +£477.74
Goals betting -£68.92
Football -£89.33
Horses +£661.47
Poker +£1060.28
20k challenge  -£40
2012 P+L +£2001.24

Very happy to be winning at end of Jan and as I said all along for me if I am breaking even or winning at the end of the year then for the entertainment gained I shall be happy as in no way does it provide an income for me!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 01, 2012, 12:31:40 PM
WORK!!

We finished on a respectable £28k Nett sales which is ok but disappointing as we were on £30k after 2 weeks but as with the turbulent market atm buyers chose to pull out of deals for a variety of reasons and we were treading water for the past 14 days  >:(  overall though if every month was like this on nett sales I would beat my target for the year by 12%!

This month poses different challenges as its a short month and also need to start thinking about recruiting as Laura will be on Maternity leave in 3 months so need to find a top seller to replace her.

Gutted I wont be at DTD this weekend but got a family thing on so GL to all I know playing in it and there are 2 horses entered over the weekend I am interested in so keep em peeled!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on February 01, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
I am constantly amazed at how bad estate agents are. The person from Hunters who is selling our house is excellent, he is an amazing sales person and excels when showing people around the house. He keeps us up to date and goes the extra mile, tells us the truth and we trust him. Our bad experiences come from the agents showing us potential houses to buy, its like they really don't know how to sell a house to you. I got shown around a house this morning by the owner of Alan Cooks based in Leeds and he stayed in the living room and told me to look around myself. How does he earn his money? do they have an official training for showing houses off to clients?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 01, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
WORK!!

We finished on a respectable £28k Nett sales which is ok but disappointing as we were on £30k after 2 weeks but as with the turbulent market atm buyers chose to pull out of deals for a variety of reasons and we were treading water for the past 14 days  >:(  overall though if every month was like this on nett sales I would beat my target for the year by 12%!

This month poses different challenges as its a short month and also need to start thinking about recruiting as Laura will be on Maternity leave in 3 months so need to find a top seller to replace her.

Gutted I wont be at DTD this weekend but got a family thing on so GL to all I know playing in it and there are 2 horses entered over the weekend I am interested in so keep em peeled!!

 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 01, 2012, 01:42:53 PM
I am constantly amazed at how bad estate agents are. The person from Hunters who is selling our house is excellent, he is an amazing sales person and excels when showing people around the house. He keeps us up to date and goes the extra mile, tells us the truth and we trust him. Our bad experiences come from the agents showing us potential houses to buy, its like they really don't know how to sell a house to you. I got shown around a house this morning by the owner of Alan Cooks based in Leeds and he stayed in the living room and told me to look around myself. How does he earn his money? do they have an official training for showing houses off to clients?
There is no official training for anything within Estate Agency but I actually try to train/coach all my new starters on all aspects of the business even if they have worked elsewhere as we like to do things in a certain way and that includes viewings. It sounds like the agent who showed you around today is just lazy but although an agent can and should show a property in a certain way a clinet would never buy a house if it was not right for them despite what an agent may say, but I would not defend him as there are other things you can gain from a viewing that you never would find out from letting them walk around themselves.
The things I have learnt the most are
1) Communication is KEY
2) Dont hide from a client - attack before you have to defend
3) Never Lie!!
4) Your reputation is everything!!
Obv agent 2 knows that Leeds is the capital of the world and therefore if these viewers dont buy it the next ones will!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on February 01, 2012, 01:51:38 PM
I am constantly amazed at how bad estate agents are. The person from Hunters who is selling our house is excellent, he is an amazing sales person and excels when showing people around the house. He keeps us up to date and goes the extra mile, tells us the truth and we trust him. Our bad experiences come from the agents showing us potential houses to buy, its like they really don't know how to sell a house to you. I got shown around a house this morning by the owner of Alan Cooks based in Leeds and he stayed in the living room and told me to look around myself. How does he earn his money? do they have an official training for showing houses off to clients?
There is no official training for anything within Estate Agency but I actually try to train/coach all my new starters on all aspects of the business even if they have worked elsewhere as we like to do things in a certain way and that includes viewings. It sounds like the agent who showed you around today is just lazy but although an agent can and should show a property in a certain way a clinet would never buy a house if it was not right for them despite what an agent may say, but I would not defend him as there are other things you can gain from a viewing that you never would find out from letting them walk around themselves.
The things I have learnt the most are
1) Communication is KEY
2) Dont hide from a client - attack before you have to defend
3) Never Lie!!
4) Your reputation is everything!!
Obv agent 2 knows that Leeds is the capital of the world and therefore if these viewers dont buy it the next ones will!!

they wish! really hard to sell these days. Some agents let the people who own the house show you around. Car-crash time, its not 2006 anymore :) they need to be polished or it dont sell.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 02, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 02, 2012, 02:19:19 PM
When i was house shopping, I had some tez estate agents, one rolled up in some shit hairdressers car with a personalised license plate. Something like I 53LL which immediately tilted me. I decided he was a dick and didn't want to buy from him, just hoped i didn't like the house too much. Luckily the main bathroom was downstairs which was ridic so i said no. Plus he had a hard sale technique which i find annoying.

Had one guy whose approach i liked. He asked me how i would like to view it. i.e walk myself around or have him show me everything. I let him stand in the kitchen while i had a little walk around, when i had any questions i just gave him a shout and he answered me. Don't like it when they stand on your shoulder pointing everything out.

Funnily enough i didn't buy from either of them two. I saw the house i wanted online, the woman had to show me around the showroom as mine wasn't built yet, she was a walker and talker, stinking breath and seemed thick as mince but I had already made my mind up so she just shipped some easy commissions.

Morale of the story is, its all about the house as opposed to the estate agent imo. I imagine the agents probs come into play in the tricky marginal spots. I.e facing a cold 4 bet and you look down at 33 in the bb. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 02, 2012, 03:10:06 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.



How much does a decent degen bet a week?.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on February 02, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.



How much does a decent degen bet a week?.....

I reckon if you're in a job and placing bets equivalent or greater than your earnings then you're about there.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 02, 2012, 04:05:04 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.



How much does a decent degen bet a week?.....

I reckon if you're in a job and placing bets equivalent or greater than your earnings then you're about there.



ooops ! lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 02, 2012, 06:09:25 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.


If you are trying to say I have put on a bit of timber then I shall have no option but to bumhunt you!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 03, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
Am blowing £37   £12 win and £25 place on Leathermans tip in the 2.40 Wolverhampton


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 03, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
We placed one of our investment flats on the market today in Leigh on Sea as we would like to start a small business and feel we have maxed out the value as we bought it as a repo 3 years ago and with the lease shortening it is a case of sell now or have to renew the lease in a few years time when we want to sell it then.

This is about as good as it gets for £120'000 in Leigh on Sea

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-36770774.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-36770774.html)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on February 03, 2012, 06:35:29 PM
Am blowing £37   £12 win and £25 place on Leathermans tip in the 2.40 Wolverhampton

soz mate..  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 03, 2012, 09:01:03 PM
Am blowing £37   £12 win and £25 place on Leathermans tip in the 2.40 Wolverhampton

soz mate..  :(
Lolz  no worries mate!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 04, 2012, 12:04:34 PM
Both meetings I was hoping to play at were called off due to the weather so I am not playing today on the gee gees!!


I have a couple of Football bets placed already

Burnley to beat Peterborough  £61.20 to win £47.53

Birmingham to beat Southampton  £50 to win £61.30

QPR to beat Wolverhampton £40 to win £44

and a solitary £30 both teams to score on  Carlisle/Watford/Cardiff/Bristol City and Stoke


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 04, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Played the sat for a seat in the 500@DTD last night but with 25left played a hand questionably due to stack size initially (probs gonna post on pha just so I can punish myself for being a pusssssay) but not as much as my oppo who did a big river get there to leave me 400 chips  :(
I would not have played today but would have banked the seat but need to adjust my poker total my -£94


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 04, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
Following you Mr AK on the goal bets and had a treble on Burnley/Birmingham/QPR glglgl


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 04, 2012, 01:10:11 PM
Following you Mr AK on the goal bets and had a treble on Burnley/Birmingham/QPR glglgl
Cool  but singles ftw!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 04, 2012, 05:47:50 PM
defo one of the bigger degens around.



How much does a decent degen bet a week?.....

I reckon if you're in a job and placing bets equivalent or greater than your earnings then you're about there.




yeah - it's not the amounts its the relentlessness of the betting and the ill advised over ambition of the bets that really makes you a degen


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:05:16 PM
Updated Totals

Sport +£447.74
Goals -£98.92
Football -£240.53
Horses  +£624.47
Poker £966.28
20k Challenge -£40
Feb P+L - £342.2
2012 profit  £1659.04

Pretty much sighballs on everything this weekend and glad it was just an afternoon/evening watching as would most likely have ironed out a few ££ on other stuff


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:13:46 PM
Had a lovely weekend though and despite having to work both days and trek to work through the snow I got to meet my brothers new GF after he visited London to see the Circue Du Soleil show and we went for a meal on the Sunday.

Also Maxwell had his first outing in the snow which gave us chance to use the Baby Sledge I invested in November time whilst at DTD and in town on the Saturday I was convinced by the stall holder it would snow that week and invested £20 to find it used as a toy storage device till now!!

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2128/maxnei.jpg[/img]](http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2128/maxnei.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8701/max2p.jpg[/img]](http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/8701/max2p.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:16:13 PM
One bet today

Bentley to be placed in the 5.00 Wolverhampton £63.38 to win £92.74 before comm!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 06, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:20:56 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".
Haha, when your all snow suited up bud he would be as warm as George in his onesie!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 06, 2012, 03:23:01 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".
Haha, when your all snow suited up bud he would be as warm as George in his onesie!!

I've got the one his mate was wearing, haha. Onesie's ftw.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on February 06, 2012, 03:23:56 PM
Deffo ftw. Sunday grind in the onsie


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".
Haha, when your all snow suited up bud he would be as warm as George in his onesie!!

I've got the one his mate was wearing, haha. Onesie's ftw.
Pics or it is all lies!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 06, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".
Haha, when your all snow suited up bud he would be as warm as George in his onesie!!

I've got the one his mate was wearing, haha. Onesie's ftw.
Pics or it is all lies!!

Haha, in my defence it was a gift. Wore it a couple of times though, young niece thought it was hilarious.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2012, 03:44:26 PM
Quality picture, he sure does seem excited by the snow. I'd say that's the look of "ffs it's freezing out here, what the hell is going on".
Haha, when your all snow suited up bud he would be as warm as George in his onesie!!

I've got the one his mate was wearing, haha. Onesie's ftw.
Pics or it is all lies!!

Haha, in my defence it was a gift. Wore it a couple of times though, young niece thought it was hilarious.
Still a nonbeliever, do they do a balck and white striped version??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 06, 2012, 03:46:14 PM
ROFLs, not that I know of, mines the same colour.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 07, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
Finished 20th in the LVTC challenge last night to gain some more team points but was pwned in 2 pots by "the poshboy"  :(, got lucky against Claypole to KO him and rivered a house vs a flopped str8 to get me a stack and then lost a big flip to get a top 5 stack and a run on the FT!!


If Milligan reads this I shall miss you posting daily!!   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
The last few days have been a bit manic with interviewing for a new negotiator in the office and a very interesting seminar yesterday from the main property portal looking at some areas we could improve our brand awareness and overall market share!!

No real betting activity except the £20k challenge which is upto bet 5 now and will start to get interesting in Rory McIlroy can finish in the top 10 this weekend!

I have worked out how to post a video from phone to youtube and have a couple of corkers of Maxwell so as Cambridge AL is feeling Broody these will send him one way or the other as now he is coming upto 1 year old he is getting really interesting, in this one he is now starting to walk aided by us and has this really cute baby laugh where he loses control completely sometimes.  Hope you like!!

http://youtu.be/HmcgPBFLpsM (http://youtu.be/HmcgPBFLpsM)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Today I also borrowed Max and bought him into work so that I could get a colleague to take a few photos of us to be used on Moonpig and make our very own Valentines Day card for Petra utilising a scene from Petra's favourite film Love Actually!!

Here is me and the wee man
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http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6374/dsc0009fo.jpg[/img]](http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6374/dsc0009fo.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:38:15 PM
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8610/dsc0011ig.jpg[/img]](http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8610/dsc0011ig.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4707/dsc0015dr.jpg[/img]](http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4707/dsc0015dr.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5057/dsc0016sh.jpg[/img]](http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5057/dsc0016sh.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

Obvs gonna be flamed for these but meh!!





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sm00035 on February 09, 2012, 03:42:50 PM
Nearly half way through this diary! Really enjoy reading it when got a few spare minutes and (don't take this the wrong way) but before going to sleep.

Balls of steel putting those photos up!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:43:57 PM
Nearly half way through this diary! Really enjoy reading it when got a few spare minutes and (don't take this the wrong way) but before going to sleep.

Balls of steel putting those photos up!!
Lol a genuine hero itt not like that LilD character!!

Glad your enjoying Sam Mc, see you soon!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 09, 2012, 03:46:23 PM
Bossing the valentines mate!

Sigh - need to up my game!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 09, 2012, 03:46:57 PM
presuming Petra doesnt read the diary btw?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
presuming Petra doesnt read the diary btw?
Nah she said she was going to and then never started so I am pretty safe with the photos!! and all the degen stuff she knew about anyway..

Ps dont worry about me bossing the Valentines that is all she is getting  ;)

LVTC tonight??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 09, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
presuming Petra doesnt read the diary btw?
Nah she said she was going to and then never started so I am pretty safe with the photos!! and all the degen stuff she knew about anyway..

Ps dont worry about me bossing the Valentines that is all she is getting  ;)

LVTC tonight??

#notlovingthegame

just gonna play week 11 by moving all in every hand during the rebuy instead

Then gonna nitball/luckbox  my way to a live final win

Kind of on a mini break from poker, also v busy with work too.

Looking forward to the live final which will be my return to poker 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 03:59:23 PM
presuming Petra doesnt read the diary btw?
Nah she said she was going to and then never started so I am pretty safe with the photos!! and all the degen stuff she knew about anyway..

Ps dont worry about me bossing the Valentines that is all she is getting  ;)

LVTC tonight??

#notlovingthegame

just gonna play week 11 by moving all in every hand during the rebuy instead

Then gonna nitball/luckbox  my way to a live final win

Kind of on a mini break from poker, also v busy with work too.

Looking forward to the live final which will be my return to poker 
Yeah but the points in week 11 are minimal compared to tonight!
http://www.lasvegasteamchallenge.com/about-lvtc/ (http://www.lasvegasteamchallenge.com/about-lvtc/)
Plus you are 3800pts of mvp status so a first or second place tonight sees you up there as winning the live final is only worth 200pts for the MVP!!
#getongetitdone!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 09, 2012, 04:06:22 PM
oh!

Erm - scratch all that then - I understood week 11 was a points boosting week - obv not!

Might have to flick it in tonight and just sit there folding then

Dont forget  - the mvp leaderboard points get divided by 100 thou! So although I am 4k off 1st and 2.5k off 2nd - thats only 40 and 25 spots respectively in the main event! It would be ideal if I could close the gap to 1st a little thou

You've convinced me - ill be flicking it in and seeing if I can luckbox a win!

See you later


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 04:12:12 PM
oh!

Erm - scratch all that then - I understood week 11 was a points boosting week - obv not!

Might have to flick it in tonight and just sit there folding then

Dont forget  - the mvp leaderboard points get divided by 100 thou! So although I am 4k off 1st and 2.5k off 2nd - thats only 40 and 25 spots respectively in the main event! It would be ideal if I could close the gap to 1st a little thou

You've convinced me - ill be flicking it in and seeing if I can luckbox a win!

See you later
Cool cool I will be your plus1 then as u would have missed otherwise!!
Yh see you later footie till 8 so feel free to pich the blinds!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 09, 2012, 05:32:09 PM
Nice touch with the card, wpwp.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on February 09, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
Amazing phots for your card! Wp.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sm00035 on February 09, 2012, 06:48:06 PM
I say next time at DTD you bring your kid! Would defo make it a lot easier to 'break the ice' with girls on nights out!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sm00035 on February 09, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Also we need need a distraction away from Shallows dancing!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
Amazing phots for your card! Wp.
Cheers Bettsy!!

still on for DTD next week??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 08:34:51 PM
I say next time at DTD you bring your kid! Would defo make it a lot easier to 'break the ice' with girls on nights out!!
Booked but i am sure "Hi I am Sam Mc, you have probably seen me at the top of the chip counts of every day 1 I play"  would work as well  ;)

Oh and Mr Shallow well  heeeeeeeeeeeez a crab!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Graham C on February 09, 2012, 09:43:39 PM
Nice card and a smooth move.  Puts a lot of us chaps to shame!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
Nice card and a smooth move.  Puts a lot of us chaps to shame!
TYTY but when you bat out of your league the little things help!!

Ps it only takes 5 mins once you have the photos and there is still time for an express delivery!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on February 09, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Absolutely gay valentines shit. WTF? -10 points

+ 10 points for Sam Mc ITT though.

When you buying me dinner next please Eso?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on February 09, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
mate  :respect:

i always get Mrs fish a dozen red roses ...but that is just quality well done ...... big kahunas for posting it i wanna do something like that but now would feel i just copying you ....she would love it though!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 09:06:51 AM
mate  :respect:

i always get Mrs fish a dozen red roses ...but that is just quality well done ...... big kahunas for posting it i wanna do something like that but now would feel i just copying you ....she would love it though!
Dont worry about coppying it mate!

JFDI!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
Absolutely gay valentines shit. WTF? -10 points

+ 10 points for Sam Mc ITT though.

When you buying me dinner next please Eso?
Maybe able to accomodate you next Friday evening a the 'G' on the way to DTD if you are around!

In before anyone says "Vinny's been round for ages!!"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 10, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Sigh, my fav diary just went down the shitter. puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 10:01:22 AM
Sigh, my fav diary just went down the shitter. puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke.
Looooooooooooooool   day off today millidonk?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 10, 2012, 10:04:28 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 10, 2012, 10:06:30 AM
Sigh, my fav diary just went down the shitter. puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke.
Looooooooooooooool   day off today millidonk?

person who sits behind me is off, so nobody can grass me up!

typing using mouse with onscreen keyboard. #ninjaskills


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 10, 2012, 10:07:04 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 10:14:39 AM
Sigh, my fav diary just went down the shitter. puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke.
Looooooooooooooool   day off today millidonk?

person who sits behind me is off, so nobody can grass me up!

typing using mouse with onscreen keyboard. #ninjaskills
nice skills!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 10:15:36 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 10:18:19 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


Ul bud I am sure you can do without the $24 that I got for 20th on Monday!!

What are people doing regarding the £250k gtd at DTD the same weekend as the final??

Anyone playing Friday DTD?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 10, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(

Yea. Sick of being hassled by Paul mfckin Ho!

Any Goals galore bets for weekend mate?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 10:57:53 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(

Yea. Sick of being hassled by Paul mfckin Ho!

Any Goals galore bets for weekend mate?
The Ho is right tho as the most points are available this week and Encoreunfois is MIA

Post up goals tomoz  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 10, 2012, 11:03:43 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(

Yea. Sick of being hassled by Paul mfckin Ho!

Any Goals galore bets for weekend mate?
The Ho is right tho as the most points are available this week and Encoreunfois is MIA

Post up goals tomoz  ;)

You or the Ho dont have to work nights ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(

Yea. Sick of being hassled by Paul mfckin Ho!

Any Goals galore bets for weekend mate?
The Ho is right tho as the most points are available this week and Encoreunfois is MIA

Post up goals tomoz  ;)

You or the Ho dont have to work nights ;)
i dont but The Ho is thinking about taking an evening job to ride out his downswong!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 10, 2012, 11:06:59 AM
I pure bubbled the money grains last night with a 21st mate! So glad I played  ;D

That said I did get the pleasure of 4 betting Poshboy with J6o so was worth the buy in

I blame Millidonk as well, I just cant get there without abusing him all the way! (glad to see millidonk catching on too)


poker can gtfo. its all about the live pissup.
I think Girgy from my team has been thinking that since round 1!!  :(

Yea. Sick of being hassled by Paul mfckin Ho!

Any Goals galore bets for weekend mate?
The Ho is right tho as the most points are available this week and Encoreunfois is MIA

Post up goals tomoz  ;)

You or the Ho dont have to work nights ;)
i dont but The Ho is thinking about taking an evening job to ride out his downswong!!

The Ho needs a second income to fund Mondas 180 manners ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
Am on Bopkins Horse in the 1.50 Southwell  £15 win @ 9.81 and £20 place @ 2.64


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: neeko on February 10, 2012, 01:32:05 PM
Hi,

Quick property question,

If a house is on the market at £270k - given the stamp duty level at £250k, what proportion of these houses actually sell for sub 250k?

ta


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on February 10, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Hi,

Quick property question,

If a house is on the market at £270k - given the stamp duty level at £250k, what proportion of these houses actually sell for sub 250k?

ta

Sells for 249k but pays the difference you will accept for the house for the carpets :) i.e 5k


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
Hi,

Quick property question,

If a house is on the market at £270k - given the stamp duty level at £250k, what proportion of these houses actually sell for sub 250k?

ta
It all depends we have houses that will sell above the £250 but £265-270 is a dangerous price for vendors, if you do do a deal £250k is ok it is still 1% at that level but any ££ over the £250k and there is a 7 page document that is filled out for the solicitor that documents what the extra money is for and the revenues dept reserve their right to turn up on the doorstep and check the value and have the power to retrospectively charge the new owner the extra % if they feel evasion took place.

Obviously you can do a deal direct with the vendor but this then poses a few problems in that    a) sols can never be made aware of the deal  b) if you are a seller you will want to make sure that you have the £££ prior to exchange and if you are the buyer you need to trust the vendor wont pull out after you hand over the ££ as agents cant get involved with this sort of thing...   well most cant  ;)

You could always offer them £260k but get them to gift you back 2% towards the stamp duty which as long as the property values at £260 means they get  £260000 - £5200 = £254800 and everyone is a winner!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on February 10, 2012, 05:35:16 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?
I cannot get Burnley right tbh, last week I fancied them vs Posh but Southampton have some players coming back!!

How is the software doing??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on February 10, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?
I cannot get Burnley right tbh, last week I fancied them vs Posh but Southampton have some players coming back!!

How is the software doing??

Slowly but surely, just not got enough time to develop at the moment.
On 3 different versions it's giving me Burnley purely based on recent results. May just lay Soton as a tickle.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 05:43:11 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?
I cannot get Burnley right tbh, last week I fancied them vs Posh but Southampton have some players coming back!!

How is the software doing??

Slowly but surely, just not got enough time to develop at the moment.
On 3 different versions it's giving me Burnley purely based on recent results. May just lay Soton as a tickle.
I think it's a close game   1 goal in it imo


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on February 10, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?
I cannot get Burnley right tbh, last week I fancied them vs Posh but Southampton have some players coming back!!

How is the software doing??

Slowly but surely, just not got enough time to develop at the moment.
On 3 different versions it's giving me Burnley purely based on recent results. May just lay Soton as a tickle.
I think it's a close game   1 goal in it imo

Cheers, just thought 4.7 on BF for a Burnley win seemed a bit high.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
I got Max his first rocking horse and despite his tender years we are training him to be a jockey so all the degens amongst us can have some touches!!

Check out his madskillz  speshly at 36seconds where he shows us how he will ride out the finish!!

http://youtu.be/FqXfeXau2fE (http://youtu.be/FqXfeXau2fE)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on February 10, 2012, 09:01:30 PM
Ladbrokes asked catherine to name a horse today....The3berties is now on virtual racing :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2012, 09:03:27 PM
Ladbrokes asked catherine to name a horse today....The3berties is now on virtual racing :)
Quality mate, let me know when its trying and the going is right for it and I shall have a few quid on  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 10, 2012, 09:11:47 PM
I got Max his first rocking horse and despite his tender years we are training him to be a jockey so all the degens amongst us can have some touches!!

Check out his madskillz  speshly at 36seconds where he shows us how he will ride out the finish!!

http://youtu.be/FqXfeXau2fE (http://youtu.be/FqXfeXau2fE)

Haha quality just needs a whip and he's set :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on February 10, 2012, 09:15:49 PM
Ladbrokes asked catherine to name a horse today....The3berties is now on virtual racing :)
Quality mate, let me know when its trying and the going is right for it and I shall have a few quid on  ;)
lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 10, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
Nice

 Girgy the only reason I choose you to be in my team is because ur a loser and I feel sorry for you


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 11, 2012, 02:29:00 AM
I thought I'd take the heat off you with that soppy card mate, your welcome  :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 11, 2012, 02:10:24 PM
Don't fancy much today just had
40 on Ipswich

15 under 2.5 Everton the remainder over 2.5  swansea/ipswich/reading/exeter/sheff utd   returns 485
Then  both to score  bolton/leeds/forest/bristol rovers/torquay  18 returns 250



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 11, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
Where do you do those both to score bets Rich, I'll jump on for a sweat this afternoon :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 11, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Nice

 Girgy the only reason I choose you to be in my team is because ur a loser and I feel sorry for you


Abit harsh

Sorry girgles


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 11, 2012, 02:17:27 PM
Nice

 Girgy the only reason I choose you to be in my team is because ur a loser and I feel sorry for you


Abit harsh

Sorry girgles

No worries Paul.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 11, 2012, 03:00:36 PM
Don't fancy much today just had
40 on Ipswich

15 under 2.5 Everton the remainder over 2.5  swansea/ipswich/reading/exeter/sheff utd   returns 485
Then  both to score  bolton/leeds/forest/bristol rovers/torquay  18 returns 250



Cant let you have all the fun...

1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run



Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
2    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)




1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 11, 2012, 04:59:05 PM
Siiiigh shrewsbury. burnley also let me down on another coupon :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
Where do you do those both to score bets Rich, I'll jump on for a sweat this afternoon :)
Sorry for delay as been offline the weekend.  Hills I find offer better odds than corals but it's close and Laddies are way behind!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:03:13 PM
I thought I'd take the heat off you with that soppy card mate, your welcome  :P
Yeah just caught up on your diary mate, thx for that!!

Ps my brother said Plenty of Fish is more your kinda thing unless u keep shipping those $35 180's in which case Sugardaddie.com will see  you right x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:04:39 PM
Don't fancy much today just had
40 on Ipswich

15 under 2.5 Everton the remainder over 2.5  swansea/ipswich/reading/exeter/sheff utd   returns 485
Then  both to score  bolton/leeds/forest/bristol rovers/torquay  18 returns 250


sigh needed 1 more goal in Reading match and Shrewsbury to score vs Torqay to cop  :(  will update totals later


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Nice

 Girgy the only reason I choose you to be in my team is because ur a loser and I feel sorry for you


Abit harsh

Sorry girgles

No worries Paul.
I think he was trying to say Girgles he wishes you played a few more games and now hopes u are saving it for the live final!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:06:54 PM
Don't fancy much today just had
40 on Ipswich

15 under 2.5 Everton the remainder over 2.5  swansea/ipswich/reading/exeter/sheff utd   returns 485
Then  both to score  bolton/leeds/forest/bristol rovers/torquay  18 returns 250



Cant let you have all the fun...

1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run



Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
2    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)




1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run

You got the top one in  yh??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 13, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Not been around much this weekend as was off and doing family stuff as used my day off for Saturday so remained logged off Blonde till today pretty much!

When you have not been logged on and then catch up it takes at least an hour to catch up on everything whilst flicking around the emails at work etc etc, we have had a solid start to Feb nothing amazing but solid again probs more down to the quality of house we have on the books atm.

This week consists of a visit to DTD for the £150 on Friday but a drive down as need to work Saturday along with the final LVTC games tonight and I am really looking forward to the weekend as it seems like an eternity since I played!! [ x ] open goal

Not punted on much bar the goals and abandoned match, however I am up to £281.29 on my £40 to £20k challenge and pretty much 1/4 distance on how many selections it would take to reach it so need to be selective this week and go £420/£600/£1000 over the next few selections.... 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 13, 2012, 11:41:32 PM
ul we just cant get there!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 14, 2012, 02:13:48 AM
Don't fancy much today just had
40 on Ipswich

15 under 2.5 Everton the remainder over 2.5  swansea/ipswich/reading/exeter/sheff utd   returns 485
Then  both to score  bolton/leeds/forest/bristol rovers/torquay  18 returns 250



Cant let you have all the fun...

1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run



Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
2    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)




1    Over 2.5    Blackburn v QPR
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.90    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Wolverhampton v West Brom
(Total Goals)    12/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Middlesbrough
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.85    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Hull v Bristol City
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.60    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Under 2.5    Torquay v Shrewsbury
(Total Goals)    11/02/2012    None    1.66    To Run

You got the top one in  yh??

Yep...hull cost me the lot...can't believe they scored 3..had trouble scoring more than 1 at home all season..sigh


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on February 14, 2012, 02:15:00 AM
I thought I'd take the heat off you with that soppy card mate, your welcome  :P
Yeah just caught up on your diary mate, thx for that!!

Ps my brother said Plenty of Fish is more your kinda thing unless u keep shipping those $35 180's in which case Sugardaddie.com will see  you right x

Trying to work out what you mean by that, haha.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 14, 2012, 09:49:10 AM
I thought I'd take the heat off you with that soppy card mate, your welcome  :P
Yeah just caught up on your diary mate, thx for that!!

Ps my brother said Plenty of Fish is more your kinda thing unless u keep shipping those $35 180's in which case Sugardaddie.com will see  you right x

Trying to work out what you mean by that, haha.
Well imo if your looking for something long term neither will suit but if it's a bit of fun you are looking for then POF is defo the way forward!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 14, 2012, 02:20:29 PM
ul we just cant get there!


Cheers Bud!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 14, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
Had a fun time on the LVTC challenge event last night and 5 hands in had gone from 2k to 10k then 18k and 38k in comm fashion before the rebuy period finished at 60/120 then came a table move and saw Craigbetts SPEW hard after he got tilted as the first hand i sit down I 4b Aces and he ends up disco'ing 5 mins later gg 40k.
I on the other hand was amassing 100k @ 150/300 and held between this and 140k till we were 2 tables out and then I missed out on my final table stack when I min raised the button knowing one of the blinds were likely to ship and happy to call it off but my A10 didnt hold v KJ and 2 hands later shoved K7 into AA bb to finish 14th.


It's Valentines today and obv been flamed for my photos and it seems Petra had a similar idea although her skills with the camera and photoshop far outweigh mine here was my card

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1453/valentinesdaycard.jpg[/img]](http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1453/valentinesdaycard.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

Obv opened it whilst looking at the Racing post entries section!!  ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 15, 2012, 07:32:49 PM
Had the 20 e/w on the camel's horse earlier and need to update figures!!

Everyone's fave Crab texted me earlier to say that he feels  THEO WALCOTT represents vv good value tonight in the ANYTIME GOALSCORER with William Hills at 6/1 all other oddsmakers are between 11/4 -9/2 and he says the stats are a 7/2-4/1 chance so although late notice good value bet!!

I'm on for £40

GL all


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 15, 2012, 09:26:57 PM
Eso, degen story pls?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on February 15, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
Eso, degen story pls?

This...  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 15, 2012, 09:54:06 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 01:06:04 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(

I reckon over the past 5 years if I gave you £500 as a guess and you had the exact figure I would be expecting a couple of hundred in change for all house games!!

The only time I play is if out with the office on a social and everyone is playing tbh I would just sit on the 3card and lose my money slowly, it really does not give me the same buzz anymore!!

Out of interest is that how you spewed some ££ recently?  obv tell me to gtfo if u want


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 01:52:37 PM
Eso, degen story pls?
Ok as you a fellow degen has asked!!

The last time I was in trouble ££ wise (about 7 years ago) was to the Chinese and I was in for £5000 and for the 3 months prior I had been servicing the £1000 per month interest charge without a problem and just needed a bink from somewhere to get me out of it as usual, but this particular month had been really bad in the estate agency world and as 60% of my income is made up on commission I never really know how much I will be paid until about 3 weeks before when all the cheques have been banked.

I knew I was not going to earn enough to cover all my ex's and the interest payment on the debt and was starting to feel up against it so was trying to work out who better to knock, either my existing d/debits or the chinese obv the chinese would have got their money and I would have cancelled all the other debits so as not to incur another chunk of bank charges and then blamed it on the bank and reset them for the month after  ;)

My mind was pretty much made up and it was the day before pay day and a day off adn I had about £80 on me so I decided to try and have a little spin up to get me into a little festival event that weekend in the hope of winning the ££ needed, I was cute enough to know that this was unlikely but looked at the racing cards and the meeting at Goodwood looked pretty tough with some favourites that could be beaten out of the frame so I invested £12 on a placepot perm 1x1x2x3x2x2 @ 50p and a £20 straight line on my strongest fancies.

I put another £20 on placepots at the other meetings but they blew out early on, for those that dont know a placepot is where you have to get a horse in the frame ( winner if 4 runners or fewer, 1st or 2nd if 5-7 runners, first 3 if 8-15 runners and if it's a 16 runner handicap its the first 4 places) for the first 6 races at that meeting and all the money bet into the pool gets put together and is split up race to race and after the 6 races they divide the amount left into the pool (minus approx 26% tote reduction) and a dividend is declared to £1.

The Goodwood meeting was my only chance but after 3 races there were no favourites placed which is always good as people stick favs in and then wonder why the dividend is low! after the 4th racewhich again had no favourite it looked like I could get a draw out of the day and with 2 runners in the next 2 races I was hopefull.  The 5th race was no problem and I double up with both horses placed so was running to £2 in my permed bet and the £20 straight line going as well and as I was sat in W/Hills and they were not very helpful in respect of finding out how much was left in the pool I walked up the road to Ladbrokes to see that if the horse in my £20 line was placed (also in the perm) with neither the second or third fav placed then the dividend would be around £300 which was disappointing due to the lack of fav's placed but would still give me around £6000.

TBH I have never had such a sweat free race as my horse led all the way and kicked clear with me just sat silently waiting for the dividend to be declared and walking up to the counter to tell them I would be back the next day and wanted all cash, they checked the slip and the dividend came to £292 which I had 22 times giving me a £6424 return and 2 phone calls later to the debtor to say I would be over the next day to pay off the £5000 plus the interest and I was free again for another few weeks!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 16, 2012, 01:57:24 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(

I reckon over the past 5 years if I gave you £500 as a guess and you had the exact figure I would be expecting a couple of hundred in change for all house games!!

The only time I play is if out with the office on a social and everyone is playing tbh I would just sit on the 3card and lose my money slowly, it really does not give me the same buzz anymore!!

Out of interest is that how you spewed some ££ recently?  obv tell me to gtfo if u want

Yup spent alot in crimbo buying gf and the new house things and general jollies


A few comma sessions on roulette didn't help and otter degenerate stuff

Oh well had a good time

Just need to grind again from sq1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 01:59:53 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(

I reckon over the past 5 years if I gave you £500 as a guess and you had the exact figure I would be expecting a couple of hundred in change for all house games!!

The only time I play is if out with the office on a social and everyone is playing tbh I would just sit on the 3card and lose my money slowly, it really does not give me the same buzz anymore!!

Out of interest is that how you spewed some ££ recently?  obv tell me to gtfo if u want

Yup spent alot in crimbo buying gf and the new house things and general jollies


A few comma sessions on roulette didn't help and otter degenerate stuff

Oh well had a good time

Just need to grind again from sq1
What you wiped out the whole DTD online roll?
Sq 1 being 5/10 euro mtt's?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 02:15:25 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(

I reckon over the past 5 years if I gave you £500 as a guess and you had the exact figure I would be expecting a couple of hundred in change for all house games!!

The only time I play is if out with the office on a social and everyone is playing tbh I would just sit on the 3card and lose my money slowly, it really does not give me the same buzz anymore!!

Out of interest is that how you spewed some ££ recently?  obv tell me to gtfo if u want

Yup spent alot in crimbo buying gf and the new house things and general jollies


A few comma sessions on roulette didn't help and otter degenerate stuff

Oh well had a good time

Just need to grind again from sq1

Hope you had number 8 covered!?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
I was speaking to my cousin today, lets call him Dave.  Dave is about 32 and works in the city and has never bought a property but rents for £2400 pcm close to where he works for one of the banks, yesterday he rang me having asked my advice previously about purchasing something to tell me he has offered on the property he rents.

This is not the exact one as his is a 2 bed but he has offered £687'000 as a FIRST TIME BUYER!!!

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html)

I cant believe it tbh so today I emailed him this beauty which has just come on the market with ourselves and can be secured for around £725000 and is only 1 hour on the train to London, 5 mins walk to the station, 10 mins to the seafront!!
What would you rather buy???

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 16, 2012, 02:33:27 PM
Second one is obv much much nicer but I would go for the first as I couldn't handle an hour in and out every day!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 02:36:42 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!

You would love that and you know it! 650 for that house is insane. Need 130k for a deposit.  ;carlocitrone;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on February 16, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
wow pretty cheap for the land and new house :()


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 16, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!

You would love that and you know it! 650 for that house is insane. Need 130k for a deposit.  ;carlocitrone;


OMG

Is there a pub in walking distance of that house?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
Second one is obv much much nicer but I would go for the first as I couldn't handle an hour in and out every day!
Yeah Mrs Bopkin said you were more of a 2pump squirt kinda guy!!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!

You would love that and you know it! 650 for that house is insane. Need 130k for a deposit.  ;carlocitrone;


OMG

Is there a pub in walking distance of that house?



Yep, the Vine Inn. Thats for Sale too. My dream house that. 2 step process to getting it, Step 1 bink this wknd DS, Step 2 win a decent tour. One time let me have a sweat!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on February 16, 2012, 02:51:39 PM
I was speaking to my cousin today, lets call him Dave.  Dave is about 32 and works in the city and has never bought a property but rents for £2400 pcm close to where he works for one of the banks, yesterday he rang me having asked my advice previously about purchasing something to tell me he has offered on the property he rents.

This is not the exact one as his is a 2 bed but he has offered £687'000 as a FIRST TIME BUYER!!!

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html)

I cant believe it tbh so today I emailed him this beauty which has just come on the market with ourselves and can be secured for around £725000 and is only 1 hour on the train to London, 5 mins walk to the station, 10 mins to the seafront!!
What would you rather buy???

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html)

Id have neither. Both too woody.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 16, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!

You would love that and you know it! 650 for that house is insane. Need 130k for a deposit.  ;carlocitrone;


OMG

Is there a pub in walking distance of that house?



Yep, the Vine Inn. Thats for Sale too. My dream house that. 2 step process to getting it, Step 1 bink this wknd DS, Step 2 win a decent tour. One time let me have a sweat!

So I can live in that house and own the local pub!

Dear Santa.......

For Xmas I would like house above, plus lease to pub

I have been good this year and refrained from retaliating to Eso's comment as I believe his wife is too lovely to use in such jokes.

That is all

Thanks



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
Meh, move to Lincoln, get this for 650

http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735 (http://www.findaproperty.com/for-sale/property-10794735)


Scroll down til you see the wet room..
Yeah but then I would see you everynight for a swim and game of snooker!!!

You would love that and you know it! 650 for that house is insane. Need 130k for a deposit.  ;carlocitrone;


OMG

Is there a pub in walking distance of that house?



Yep, the Vine Inn. Thats for Sale too. My dream house that. 2 step process to getting it, Step 1 bink this wknd DS, Step 2 win a decent tour. One time let me have a sweat!

So I can live in that house and own the local pub!

Dear Santa.......

For Xmas I would like house above, plus lease to pub

I have been good this year and refrained from retaliating to Eso's comment as I believe his wife is too lovely to use in such jokes.

That is all

Thanks


Obv deserve to bink the lotto now!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: EvilPie on February 16, 2012, 03:16:10 PM
Can't believe that's only £650k!!

Bargain.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
gtf away from my house. I have had my eye on it for a couple of weeks now.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: rex008 on February 16, 2012, 03:26:22 PM
Can't believe that's only £650k!!

Bargain.

It's not exactly 1 hour to London though. It's probably an hour to Lincoln, which is the closest town. Louth doesn't count.

Big houses are overrated. And yes, that is a bit thin :). Unless you can afford a decent team of people to look after it (gardener, housekeeper, handyman, etc), you end up spending all your spare time dealing with maintenance stuff. We moved from a big house (well, big-ish, 4000sqft in 1/2 acre) in the sticks to a smaller house closer to town, and I didn't realise what a time-pit it was, until I actually managed to get through a weekend without having to do garden/housey crap. And it took 30 minutes just to get to a supermarket. And they didn't deliver. And neither did pizza/curry/chinese.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 16, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
I would literally be a wrinkled mass of skin, never leaving that pool!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on February 16, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
I would literally be a wrinkled mass of skin, never leaving that pool!

tbf mate if you achieve your weight target you are going to be a wrinkled mass of skin anyway


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on February 16, 2012, 05:40:43 PM
Eso gets the thread back on track with a quality degen story, pffft to houses! Placepot perms for the sweat. I remember going through the card at Newcastle on a quiet Monday many a year ago. All my bets were singles and I had studied the form guide in the RP for hours that morning and was made up with my few hundred return.

Sigh at the placepot paying 2k plus and the combined odds of the 6 fold... well in the 5 figs. Are we greedy in what we could of won and not always happy with our smaller wins?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 16, 2012, 05:44:01 PM
Eso gets the thread back on track with a quality degen story, pffft to houses! Placepot perms for the sweat. I remember going through the card at Newcastle on a quiet Monday many a year ago. All my bets were singles and I had studied the form guide in the RP for hours that morning and was made up with my few hundred return.

Sigh at the placepot paying 2k plus and the combined odds of the 6 fold... well in the 5 figs. Are we greedy in what we could of won and not always happy with our smaller wins?
Ul bud, always be happy with the win imo...
From small acorns and all that!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 16, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
When's the last time uvplayed roulette?

I hate it once I start it's so hard to stop :(

I reckon over the past 5 years if I gave you £500 as a guess and you had the exact figure I would be expecting a couple of hundred in change for all house games!!

The only time I play is if out with the office on a social and everyone is playing tbh I would just sit on the 3card and lose my money slowly, it really does not give me the same buzz anymore!!

Out of interest is that how you spewed some ££ recently?  obv tell me to gtfo if u want

Yup spent alot in crimbo buying gf and the new house things and general jollies


A few comma sessions on roulette didn't help and otter degenerate stuff

Oh well had a good time

Just need to grind again from sq1
What you wiped out the whole DTD online roll?
Sq 1 being 5/10 euro mtt's?

withdrew it for real life spendings
sq1 means get staked and grind


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 01:08:31 PM
Southend to Nottingham and back in 12 hours!!

Well the weekend was pretty GASH all over tbh commencing with the £150 at DTD and having left work at 2pm and had a nice drive up I was really looking forward to the tourney as not played live since the Jan deepstack. I won a small pot mid through level 1 to send me to 16k and then found   Tc Th and 3b Mr Skipper's raise getting called by Greek Jack, button and Skipper to see a flop of   9d Td Kc and after Skipper leads for 2k we bump it up to 5050 and the button cold flats which obv sets alarm bells ringing but we can re-enter yeah and if Skipper flats I had the intention of jamming and non diamond straighting card and when the  6h rolls off and Skipper checks i decide if the button has QJ or 78 (less likely) then meh and jam 12k into 18k and get insta called by the button and Skipper dwell folds declaring K9 and Greek Jack saying he folded K10 otf and I was left with 1k.

Spun it up to 3k before losing to a flopped set on a board of 569 me holding A9 and it was off to the cashiers desk we went, I had satelited in for my initial entry so £168  needs to be added (taken off) my poker total and I was sat at a new table and despite picking up some good cards in great spots they always had better or got there and with 20 bb's left and a loose opener utg raising to 650 at 150/300 and 2 flatters behind I jammed  Jc Kc (I mean its parsley right!) and the second flatter looks me up with a cutely played pair of cowboys and after the case K turned up in the window I stood up and watched the poker gods give me a rub with the JJ turn and river combo and it was back down the M1 as needed to be back in Essex on Saturday.

I got back in at 1.30am and the joys of Maxwell woke me up at 7am so we went and had breakfast and let Petra sleep on a bit and after a quick study of the Racing Post decided that I was not having a bet that day until at 5pm I decided impulsively after seeing the teams and watching the first 5 mins of the Sunderland Arsenal game to lay Sunderland for £660 approx in the next bet in my challenge (obv this is seperate ££ and accounted for in the £40 per bullet) but I didnt feel right about the bet 5 mins after placing but didnt have the balls to just trade out for a £20 loss and move on. It was really disappointing tbh and I was dev'd whilst watching the match having this feeling that the bet was defo a loser, it infact reminded me of times where I have had a chunk of ££ on something years ago and that feeling of numbness when you know it's gonna lose, I am sure every punter knows and has had this feeling??

Sunday was another day and after a nice brekkie and a visit from the builder who is fitting a new bathroom in the next couple of weeks we went off to look at some showrooms followed by a wlak on the front and after dinner I decided was gonna grind a couple of feeder sats and the golden chip tourneys on DTD alongside some small mtt's and laid out about £36 bust everything except my first tourney which was a 3euro rebuy gtd at e3000 and had a stack early never outside the top 20 sailed to the final table and didnt even look at the moniez until I bust HU to see I had shipped euro661 for 2nd which felt like alot more!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 20, 2012, 01:14:45 PM
Sigh @ Mackems and DTD... Congrats on getting out of it at the death like a true hero :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Running total updates

Need to add in £40 on a dog pm'd to me y/day
£40 from £40 to £25k challenge y/day
£36 outlay online pokers
£168 on live pokers

returns £515 online but only counting £400 as cashed out y/day

It felt like a really rubbish weekend and then I realised I dont play poker for a living or gamble for my income and that these 2 people are the most important thing!!
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7530/petraandmax.jpg[/img]](http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7530/petraandmax.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 01:30:17 PM
I was speaking to my cousin today, lets call him Dave.  Dave is about 32 and works in the city and has never bought a property but rents for £2400 pcm close to where he works for one of the banks, yesterday he rang me having asked my advice previously about purchasing something to tell me he has offered on the property he rents.

This is not the exact one as his is a 2 bed but he has offered £687'000 as a FIRST TIME BUYER!!!

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26492449.html)

I cant believe it tbh so today I emailed him this beauty which has just come on the market with ourselves and can be secured for around £725000 and is only 1 hour on the train to London, 5 mins walk to the station, 10 mins to the seafront!!
What would you rather buy???

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-21881898.html)

^^^^ We have today received and offer within about 96% of the asking price so hope to get it under ofeer today and the vendor has given us one of his other properties to sell as well today!!

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Guide priced at 2 Million!!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 01:31:31 PM
Sigh @ Mackems and DTD... Congrats on getting out of it at the death like a true hero :D
Cheers Marky was just an overall shitty w/end and not often I feel like that!!

How are you doing atm?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 01:35:50 PM
Views to the front!!


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If you look halfway up the picture you will see a terrace of beach huts, they look like this closer up

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and sell for £20'000 in days through the summer!!!




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
Southend to Nottingham and back in 12 hours!!

Well the weekend was pretty GASH all over tbh commencing with the £150 at DTD and having left work at 2pm and had a nice drive up I was really looking forward to the tourney as not played live since the Jan deepstack. I won a small pot mid through level 1 to send me to 16k and then found   Tc Th and 3b Mr Skipper's raise getting called by Greek Jack, button and Skipper to see a flop of   9d Td Kc and after Skipper leads for 2k we bump it up to 5050 and the button cold flats which obv sets alarm bells ringing but we can re-enter yeah and if Skipper flats I had the intention of jamming and non diamond straighting card and when the  6h rolls off and Skipper checks i decide if the button has QJ or 78 (less likely) then meh and jam 12k into 18k and get insta called by the button and Skipper dwell folds declaring K9 and Greek Jack saying he folded K10 otf and I was left with 1k.

Spun it up to 3k before losing to a flopped set on a board of 569 me holding A9 and it was off to the cashiers desk we went, I had satelited in for my initial entry so £168  needs to be added (taken off) my poker total and I was sat at a new table and despite picking up some good cards in great spots they always had better or got there and with 20 bb's left and a loose opener utg raising to 650 at 150/300 and 2 flatters behind I jammed  Jc Kc (I mean its parsley right!) and the second flatter looks me up with a cutely played pair of cowboys and after the case K turned up in the window I stood up and watched the poker gods give me a rub with the JJ turn and river combo and it was back down the M1 as needed to be back in Essex on Saturday.

I got back in at 1.30am and the joys of Maxwell woke me up at 7am so we went and had breakfast and let Petra sleep on a bit and after a quick study of the Racing Post decided that I was not having a bet that day until at 5pm I decided impulsively after seeing the teams and watching the first 5 mins of the Sunderland Arsenal game to lay Sunderland for £660 approx in the next bet in my challenge (obv this is seperate ££ and accounted for in the £40 per bullet) but I didnt feel right about the bet 5 mins after placing but didnt have the balls to just trade out for a £20 loss and move on. It was really disappointing tbh and I was dev'd whilst watching the match having this feeling that the bet was defo a loser, it infact reminded me of times where I have had a chunk of ££ on something years ago and that feeling of numbness when you know it's gonna lose, I am sure every punter knows and has had this feeling??

Sunday was another day and after a nice brekkie and a visit from the builder who is fitting a new bathroom in the next couple of weeks we went off to look at some showrooms followed by a wlak on the front and after dinner I decided was gonna grind a couple of feeder sats and the golden chip tourneys on DTD alongside some small mtt's and laid out about £36 bust everything except my first tourney which was a 3euro rebuy gtd at e3000 and had a stack early never outside the top 20 sailed to the final table and didnt even look at the moniez until I bust HU to see I had shipped euro661 for 2nd which felt like alot more!!

Good write up....had a lovely weekend sleeping a lot..betting and watching footie and hoops... was 1 goal away on saturday from bringing home an 8 fold for £2200..i nearly cried... Morecombe is on my bombing list


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Solaris on February 20, 2012, 02:12:40 PM
How far away from the casino is that?

Walked around there a million times but can't picture it at all?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 02:17:36 PM
Southend to Nottingham and back in 12 hours!!

Well the weekend was pretty GASH all over tbh commencing with the £150 at DTD and having left work at 2pm and had a nice drive up I was really looking forward to the tourney as not played live since the Jan deepstack. I won a small pot mid through level 1 to send me to 16k and then found   Tc Th and 3b Mr Skipper's raise getting called by Greek Jack, button and Skipper to see a flop of   9d Td Kc and after Skipper leads for 2k we bump it up to 5050 and the button cold flats which obv sets alarm bells ringing but we can re-enter yeah and if Skipper flats I had the intention of jamming and non diamond straighting card and when the  6h rolls off and Skipper checks i decide if the button has QJ or 78 (less likely) then meh and jam 12k into 18k and get insta called by the button and Skipper dwell folds declaring K9 and Greek Jack saying he folded K10 otf and I was left with 1k.

Spun it up to 3k before losing to a flopped set on a board of 569 me holding A9 and it was off to the cashiers desk we went, I had satelited in for my initial entry so £168  needs to be added (taken off) my poker total and I was sat at a new table and despite picking up some good cards in great spots they always had better or got there and with 20 bb's left and a loose opener utg raising to 650 at 150/300 and 2 flatters behind I jammed  Jc Kc (I mean its parsley right!) and the second flatter looks me up with a cutely played pair of cowboys and after the case K turned up in the window I stood up and watched the poker gods give me a rub with the JJ turn and river combo and it was back down the M1 as needed to be back in Essex on Saturday.

I got back in at 1.30am and the joys of Maxwell woke me up at 7am so we went and had breakfast and let Petra sleep on a bit and after a quick study of the Racing Post decided that I was not having a bet that day until at 5pm I decided impulsively after seeing the teams and watching the first 5 mins of the Sunderland Arsenal game to lay Sunderland for £660 approx in the next bet in my challenge (obv this is seperate ££ and accounted for in the £40 per bullet) but I didnt feel right about the bet 5 mins after placing but didnt have the balls to just trade out for a £20 loss and move on. It was really disappointing tbh and I was dev'd whilst watching the match having this feeling that the bet was defo a loser, it infact reminded me of times where I have had a chunk of ££ on something years ago and that feeling of numbness when you know it's gonna lose, I am sure every punter knows and has had this feeling??

Sunday was another day and after a nice brekkie and a visit from the builder who is fitting a new bathroom in the next couple of weeks we went off to look at some showrooms followed by a wlak on the front and after dinner I decided was gonna grind a couple of feeder sats and the golden chip tourneys on DTD alongside some small mtt's and laid out about £36 bust everything except my first tourney which was a 3euro rebuy gtd at e3000 and had a stack early never outside the top 20 sailed to the final table and didnt even look at the moniez until I bust HU to see I had shipped euro661 for 2nd which felt like alot more!!

Good write up....had a lovely weekend sleeping a lot..betting and watching footie and hoops... was 1 goal away on saturday from bringing home an 8 fold for £2200..i nearly cried... Morecombe is on my bombing list
Boo Morecambe, they used to be on my goals list but recently are v hit n miss.
You winning on the hoops then??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 02:18:54 PM
How far away from the casino is that?

Walked around there a million times but can't picture it at all?
Past the Westcliff casino and The Kursall head towards Thorpe Bay and before you get to the Harvester @ Shoeburyness it's one of the big gaffs on the left!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Solaris on February 20, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
How far away from the casino is that?

Walked around there a million times but can't picture it at all?
Past the Westcliff casino and The Kursall head towards Thorpe Bay and before you get to the Harvester @ Shoeburyness it's one of the big gaffs on the left!!

Ah. Would absolutely love living there. Nice enough scenery and the chance to play cash games vs the Southend regulars would appeal greatly to me!

Not sure its a 2 million pound house though. Still hopefully you can get it sold!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 02:31:10 PM
How far away from the casino is that?

Walked around there a million times but can't picture it at all?
Past the Westcliff casino and The Kursall head towards Thorpe Bay and before you get to the Harvester @ Shoeburyness it's one of the big gaffs on the left!!

Ah. Would absolutely love living there. Nice enough scenery and the chance to play cash games vs the Southend regulars would appeal greatly to me!

Not sure its a 2 million pound house though. Still hopefully you can get it sold!

That Lincoln fella Milligan didnt like the one at £750k but I bet his favourite house posted itt didnt sell over the weekend!!
Yeah the Southend regs, if I had some time I would love to play Thurs - Sun there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
Southend to Nottingham and back in 12 hours!!

Well the weekend was pretty GASH all over tbh commencing with the £150 at DTD and having left work at 2pm and had a nice drive up I was really looking forward to the tourney as not played live since the Jan deepstack. I won a small pot mid through level 1 to send me to 16k and then found   Tc Th and 3b Mr Skipper's raise getting called by Greek Jack, button and Skipper to see a flop of   9d Td Kc and after Skipper leads for 2k we bump it up to 5050 and the button cold flats which obv sets alarm bells ringing but we can re-enter yeah and if Skipper flats I had the intention of jamming and non diamond straighting card and when the  6h rolls off and Skipper checks i decide if the button has QJ or 78 (less likely) then meh and jam 12k into 18k and get insta called by the button and Skipper dwell folds declaring K9 and Greek Jack saying he folded K10 otf and I was left with 1k.

Spun it up to 3k before losing to a flopped set on a board of 569 me holding A9 and it was off to the cashiers desk we went, I had satelited in for my initial entry so £168  needs to be added (taken off) my poker total and I was sat at a new table and despite picking up some good cards in great spots they always had better or got there and with 20 bb's left and a loose opener utg raising to 650 at 150/300 and 2 flatters behind I jammed  Jc Kc (I mean its parsley right!) and the second flatter looks me up with a cutely played pair of cowboys and after the case K turned up in the window I stood up and watched the poker gods give me a rub with the JJ turn and river combo and it was back down the M1 as needed to be back in Essex on Saturday.

I got back in at 1.30am and the joys of Maxwell woke me up at 7am so we went and had breakfast and let Petra sleep on a bit and after a quick study of the Racing Post decided that I was not having a bet that day until at 5pm I decided impulsively after seeing the teams and watching the first 5 mins of the Sunderland Arsenal game to lay Sunderland for £660 approx in the next bet in my challenge (obv this is seperate ££ and accounted for in the £40 per bullet) but I didnt feel right about the bet 5 mins after placing but didnt have the balls to just trade out for a £20 loss and move on. It was really disappointing tbh and I was dev'd whilst watching the match having this feeling that the bet was defo a loser, it infact reminded me of times where I have had a chunk of ££ on something years ago and that feeling of numbness when you know it's gonna lose, I am sure every punter knows and has had this feeling??

Sunday was another day and after a nice brekkie and a visit from the builder who is fitting a new bathroom in the next couple of weeks we went off to look at some showrooms followed by a wlak on the front and after dinner I decided was gonna grind a couple of feeder sats and the golden chip tourneys on DTD alongside some small mtt's and laid out about £36 bust everything except my first tourney which was a 3euro rebuy gtd at e3000 and had a stack early never outside the top 20 sailed to the final table and didnt even look at the moniez until I bust HU to see I had shipped euro661 for 2nd which felt like alot more!!

Good write up....had a lovely weekend sleeping a lot..betting and watching footie and hoops... was 1 goal away on saturday from bringing home an 8 fold for £2200..i nearly cried... Morecombe is on my bombing list
Boo Morecambe, they used to be on my goals list but recently are v hit n miss.
You winning on the hoops then??
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 03:08:47 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
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Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 20, 2012, 03:11:32 PM
Sigh @ Mackems and DTD... Congrats on getting out of it at the death like a true hero :D
Cheers Marky was just an overall shitty w/end and not often I feel like that!!

How are you doing atm?

Yeah I feel like that when I get up to see a nagme post on the other forum, the horse is 75s on b/f and because I've gone to bed at 7am. I wake up and the thread is 16 posts deep so I know the coup before I open it up, sure enough I've missed it hacking up and consider myself a grand down before breakfast :(

Other than my legs not doing what they're told atm I'm good, I've got a bench and some weights in the conservatory so cracking on with that. Back to the specialist in 6 weeks and hopefully he can sort me out, even if it's only to get me back to where I was 6 months ago it'll do!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 03:14:07 PM
Sigh @ Mackems and DTD... Congrats on getting out of it at the death like a true hero :D
Cheers Marky was just an overall shitty w/end and not often I feel like that!!

How are you doing atm?

Yeah I feel like that when I get up to see a nagme post on the other forum, the horse is 75s on b/f and because I've gone to bed at 7am. I wake up and the thread is 16 posts deep so I know the coup before I open it up, sure enough I've missed it hacking up and consider myself a grand down before breakfast :(

Other than my legs not doing what they're told atm I'm good, I've got a bench and some weights in the conservatory so cracking on with that. Back to the specialist in 6 weeks and hopefully he can sort me out, even if it's only to get me back to where I was 6 months ago it'll do!!


Keep up the fitness bud!!  Oh and thanks for the text about a 74/1 winner u didnt back  :'(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: aaron1867 on February 20, 2012, 03:16:48 PM
I LOL'D at the Hull thing.

It seems daft that you don't expect a team in the top 6 to score 3 against one of the worst teams in the division!!! I didn't expect it either!!!

SICKOS!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 03:24:36 PM
I LOL'D at the Hull thing.

It seems daft that you don't expect a team in the top 6 to score 3 against one of the worst teams in the division!!! I didn't expect it either!!!

SICKOS!
I think he looks at stats Aaron, if you saw him you would never peg him as a geek morelike a popeye on roids carrying a bit of terry!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 20, 2012, 03:27:28 PM
Sigh @ Mackems and DTD... Congrats on getting out of it at the death like a true hero :D
Cheers Marky was just an overall shitty w/end and not often I feel like that!!

How are you doing atm?

Yeah I feel like that when I get up to see a nagme post on the other forum, the horse is 75s on b/f and because I've gone to bed at 7am. I wake up and the thread is 16 posts deep so I know the coup before I open it up, sure enough I've missed it hacking up and consider myself a grand down before breakfast :(

Other than my legs not doing what they're told atm I'm good, I've got a bench and some weights in the conservatory so cracking on with that. Back to the specialist in 6 weeks and hopefully he can sort me out, even if it's only to get me back to where I was 6 months ago it'll do!!


Keep up the fitness bud!!  Oh and thanks for the text about a 74/1 winner u didnt back  :'(

Just off for a bit now as it goes and I didn't get the horse until after the race, you really think there is any danger of me not getting on a horse that's posted up and I see before the off :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
I LOL'D at the Hull thing.

It seems daft that you don't expect a team in the top 6 to score 3 against one of the worst teams in the division!!! I didn't expect it either!!!

SICKOS!

just based on the fact in their last 6 homes they struggled to score more than 1 goal...lol anyone would think i close my eyes and poke a stick at the paper...oh wait....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 03:30:43 PM
I LOL'D at the Hull thing.

It seems daft that you don't expect a team in the top 6 to score 3 against one of the worst teams in the division!!! I didn't expect it either!!!

SICKOS!
I think he looks at stats Aaron, if you saw him you would never peg him as a geek morelike a popeye on roids carrying a bit of terry!!

lol nice spot...terry being worked on for epic trip to Tunica at end of March...details to follow


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!

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lol  u have no idea how much of a rubdown that is..however...i was much less tense friday night  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!


lol  u have no idea how much of a rubdown that is..however...i was much less tense friday night  ;)
[/quote]
Just scoot over to Pop's diary and ask him for some of the magic blue pills he holds!!
YBA with 2 mins, I included squeezing the guns out of the tight shirt as well!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 03:40:46 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!


lol  u have no idea how much of a rubdown that is..however...i was much less tense friday night  ;)
Just scoot over to Pop's diary and ask him for some of the magic blue pills he holds!!
YBA with 2 mins, I included squeezing the guns out of the tight shirt as well!!
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lolz thats the last thing i need...downers would be more of a help :)  hope your 8 never realises ur a 6 :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 20, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!


lol  u have no idea how much of a rubdown that is..however...i was much less tense friday night  ;)
Just scoot over to Pop's diary and ask him for some of the magic blue pills he holds!!
YBA with 2 mins, I included squeezing the guns out of the tight shirt as well!!

lolz thats the last thing i need...downers would be more of a help :)  hope your 8 never realises ur a 6 :)
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touche


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 20, 2012, 04:36:37 PM
footie sigh...got a new way of doing things and since i started it 3 weeks ago almost hit it..last two weeks one result each time..one of them bizarre...hull scoring 3 goals at home GTFO... and this week 1 goal !..will inbox you this weeks stuff..had a good weekend on individual stuff...had overs on liverpool..palermo and barcelona and stoke ftw at 1.9 was toooo good to miss..thought that was a wrong price tbh..spurs failing to score 1 poxy goal dampened a clean sweep..i mean ffs cmon boys was fucking awful..

watched the Barca match..OMG.... what a team..Messi just unreal..for once the hype not wrong...they were simply stunning ! and Palermo battered Lazio with some great goals..

Hoops almost back to even and improving...tough market..but getting the feel for it...am loving it tbf...missed a lovely 5 fold the other day..valentines day and was rushing the selections so i could go and be romantic..instead of  ftw i mis-clicked the one below 'race to 20 points' nearly had a heart attack the next morning when checked the scores rubbed my hands together in little glee and expecting a nice added lump to the account... next to one bet said lost..was half way to online support when i noticed...sigh not the first time a woman has cost me money !!
Hope she enjoyed the 2mins of MAGIC!!!
in before incred quoting tekkers!!


lol  u have no idea how much of a rubdown that is..however...i was much less tense friday night  ;)
Just scoot over to Pop's diary and ask him for some of the magic blue pills he holds!!
YBA with 2 mins, I included squeezing the guns out of the tight shirt as well!!

lolz thats the last thing i need...downers would be more of a help :)  hope your 8 never realises ur a 6 :)
touche
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Lolz i doff my cap to u sir..u r in fine form today..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: aaron1867 on February 20, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Yup I know what you mean with the Hull thing. They are the kind of team who can get 1-0's.

I was listening to one of experts on either SSN or BBC saying how amazed they was Hull had scored 3!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2012, 12:38:13 PM
Not really been a lot happening tbh the last few days so nothing to report, just been working and then day off yesterday then wake up today to Solarisgate and hope he gets himself sorted.

I have not posted ott and most likely wont and can really see some sense in what Dubai posts and think if the account is monitored daily by Dave or Camel then he may be onto something cos Solaris can defo pick the winners in running and as long as all the prices he used to put up were genuine then his backers may make a few quid with him doing something he is good at.

On a lighter note this Sunday Petra has been chosen from the many applications to be the official photographer of a newborn Zachary Shallow for his first baby shots, if Dubai allows I may post a few shots on his thread. Petra is uber good at these shoots so I know they will get some incred shots to do what they want with, Obv whilst the girls do that were gonna be watching Arsenal v Spurs  ;)

Have been waiting for a Horse to come out and it keeps getting entered then out the day before and it needs to run or it cannot run at Cheltenham and it is currently in the top 3 of betting for it's respective race, will obv post here if I see it!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 25, 2012, 11:43:52 AM
Loaded up Bullet 10 onto challenge and first bet is also another selection for today

I'm laying Sulis Minerva in the 2.15 @ Lingfield  laid £108 to win £20 as I just think the horse has a bad draw and will defo need luck in running and if I was full time layer or had more £££ this is one I would defo want to get in my book.

Also backed INCENTIVISE in the 3.25 Newcastle  £13 to win £190.30 and £20 to win £69.40 in the place market as although the ground is not quite soft enough I hope it to be staying on when others have cried enough.

Post goals bets in a bit


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 25, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
If you had say an 8 fold football acca..the first 7 came in and the last one was a next day kick off would you lay some of it or let it ride...and if so what %


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on February 25, 2012, 01:51:51 PM
What team/price are you waiting on? Or is this hypothetical?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 25, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
What team/price are you waiting on? Or is this hypothetical?

Hypo at the moment last 3weeks was 1 goal or 1 result away from this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 25, 2012, 02:23:55 PM
It would depend entirely on how much the money meant to me at the time!!
I have often put a team with a late kick off or Sunday game in to give me the opportunity to lay some off if I have a big acca in mind speshly on goals as your normally 4/6-11/10 or 5/6 choice and have laid off for upto 50% when skint but I got flamed by the camel last time I asked for advice on it and he said if I was going to lay off why not just put the 5 team acca on and leave off the 6th team, and only to layoff if I needed the ££.

Another serious punter who I know says you should never lay off as you are effectively giving away winnings on a result that you expected to happen anyway or you would not have backed it!!

Would be interested to know what some judges think on here of it!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 25, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
Both to Score
Brighton/Doncaster/Morecambe/Kilmarnock   £40 returns £307

Over 2.5 Goals
Wigan/Man City/Watford/Bournemouth/Carlisle/Scunthorpe £25 returns £815


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 25, 2012, 04:57:41 PM
If you had say an 8 fold football acca..the first 7 came in and the last one was a next day kick off would you lay some of it or let it ride...and if so what %

oh fuck!! this has just happened im rolling into the man city game with £1150   on + 2.5   do i lay?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 25, 2012, 05:00:20 PM
If you had say an 8 fold football acca..the first 7 came in and the last one was a next day kick off would you lay some of it or let it ride...and if so what %

oh fuck!! this has just happened im rolling into the man city game with £1150   on + 2.5   do i lay?
Let it Ride!!!!!
although unders is 9/4 so its a cheap lay!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 25, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
If you had say an 8 fold football acca..the first 7 came in and the last one was a next day kick off would you lay some of it or let it ride...and if so what %

oh fuck!! this has just happened im rolling into the man city game with £1150   on + 2.5   do i lay?
Let it Ride!!!!!
although unders is 9/4 so its a cheap lay!!

lolz im not sic like u..gay laid 200 at 3.4


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 25, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Wiiii I like my new system.. just on a grand for 20 quid even with my ghey lay + a 200 quid 4 fold and a single


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 26, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
Wiiii I like my new system.. just on a grand for 20 quid even with my ghey lay + a 200 quid 4 fold and a single

Details details?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on February 26, 2012, 03:33:37 PM
chart pls rich :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 26, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Wiiii I like my new system.. just on a grand for 20 quid even with my ghey lay + a 200 quid 4 fold and a single

Details details?

Created a software algorithm a few months ago aimed at over and under 2.5 goals..ran it by Eso and he agreed to shadow it...struggled a bit early with mixed results then 4 weeks ago made some major changes to some of the inputted data and first 2 weeks was one game out last week 1 goal and finally hit it this week... prob more luck than judgement but happy to post up picks on this thread if people want to dry run with it..aimed at 4 and 8 folds for small outlay accas so doesn't cost a lot to do but can have big results


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2012, 10:56:44 PM
Wiiii I like my new system.. just on a grand for 20 quid even with my ghey lay + a 200 quid 4 fold and a single

Details details?

Created a software algorithm a few months ago aimed at over and under 2.5 goals..ran it by Eso and he agreed to shadow it...struggled a bit early with mixed results then 4 weeks ago made some major changes to some of the inputted data and first 2 weeks was one game out last week 1 goal and finally hit it this week... prob more luck than judgement but happy to post up picks on this thread if people want to dry run with it..aimed at 4 and 8 folds for small outlay accas so doesn't cost a lot to do but can have big results
yh stick it up weekly and everyone can make some ££££


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 26, 2012, 11:03:23 PM
Wiiii I like my new system.. just on a grand for 20 quid even with my ghey lay + a 200 quid 4 fold and a single

Details details?

Created a software algorithm a few months ago aimed at over and under 2.5 goals..ran it by Eso and he agreed to shadow it...struggled a bit early with mixed results then 4 weeks ago made some major changes to some of the inputted data and first 2 weeks was one game out last week 1 goal and finally hit it this week... prob more luck than judgement but happy to post up picks on this thread if people want to dry run with it..aimed at 4 and 8 folds for small outlay accas so doesn't cost a lot to do but can have big results
yh stick it up weekly and everyone can make some ££££

Dunno about that..uv been warned if u do


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on February 27, 2012, 06:49:04 AM
I'm down. Happy with a weekly joint sweat


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on February 27, 2012, 08:43:37 AM
Sounds good to me if you don't mind guys, anything that involves me thinking less about what I'm betting on and just clicking to bet is gold!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 27, 2012, 09:42:05 AM
No prob guys...just to make you aware its purely a maths formula and doesn't take into account anomalies such as team injuries although I do look closer at the chosen fixtures and sometimes make a judgement call if there are specific injuries etc...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
No prob guys...just to make you aware its purely a maths formula and doesn't take into account anomalies such as team injuries although I do look closer at the chosen fixtures and sometimes make a judgement call if there are specific injuries etc...
Just sort out an Algorithm for the anomalies then and we dont need to worry!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 27, 2012, 09:48:46 AM
No prob guys...just to make you aware its purely a maths formula and doesn't take into account anomalies such as team injuries although I do look closer at the chosen fixtures and sometimes make a judgement call if there are specific injuries etc...
;)
Just sort out an Algorithm for the anomalies then and we dont need to worry!!  ;)

thought using nerdy big words would impress you all make you think it was really complicated and i was a IT Mcgenius


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 10:32:11 AM
Not updated totals for a while

Sport  +£407.74
Goals -£196.92
Football -£280.53
Horses +£473.09
Poker +£1162.28
20k challenge  -£120

Feb P+L  -£555.58
2012 P+L +£1445.66


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Sunday Morning at Dubai's

As I discussed earlier itt Petra had offered to do some photos for Dubai and his new addition as it is an area of photography she loves and studies so we trekked off to Hornchurch with Maxwell and did a shoot at his house, there is one special shot that will be included on here of Dave,Zachery and a Crab!!!!!!!!!!!

This may surprise some of you due to his persona (sorry to ruin the cred Dubai but ur defo getting on a bit now  ;)) but Petra said he was really natural with Zachery who is absolutely tiny as effectively he is -3 weeks having been born early, so cute though and obv Petra gets broody  ;)

I didnt even try to bok him when he punted both teams to score in the Arsenal match mbnmbn although maybe I should have as he grimmed me for £1.80 for a racing post and a first edition of "The Sunday Sun", u just cant trust people!!

In all seriousness WAL Dubai has and he is much slimmer irl!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on February 27, 2012, 11:02:26 AM
Sunday Morning at Dubai's

As I discussed earlier itt Petra had offered to do some photos for Dubai and his new addition as it is an area of photography she loves and studies so we trekked off to Hornchurch with Maxwell and did a shoot at his house, there is one special shot that will be included on here of Dave,Zachery and a Crab!!!!!!!!!!!

This may surprise some of you due to his persona (sorry to ruin the cred Dubai but ur defo getting on a bit now  ;)) but Petra said he was really natural with Zachery who is absolutely tiny as effectively he is -3 weeks having been born early, so cute though and obv Petra gets broody  ;)

I didnt even try to bok him when he punted both teams to score in the Arsenal match mbnmbn although maybe I should have as he grimmed me for £1.80 for a racing post and a first edition of "The Sunday Sun", u just cant trust people!!

In all seriousness WAL Dubai has and he is much slimmer irl!!!

Disappointed at lack of slippers report...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
Sunday Morning at Dubai's

As I discussed earlier itt Petra had offered to do some photos for Dubai and his new addition as it is an area of photography she loves and studies so we trekked off to Hornchurch with Maxwell and did a shoot at his house, there is one special shot that will be included on here of Dave,Zachery and a Crab!!!!!!!!!!!

This may surprise some of you due to his persona (sorry to ruin the cred Dubai but ur defo getting on a bit now  ;)) but Petra said he was really natural with Zachery who is absolutely tiny as effectively he is -3 weeks having been born early, so cute though and obv Petra gets broody  ;)

I didnt even try to bok him when he punted both teams to score in the Arsenal match mbnmbn although maybe I should have as he grimmed me for £1.80 for a racing post and a first edition of "The Sunday Sun", u just cant trust people!!

In all seriousness WAL Dubai has and he is much slimmer irl!!!

Disappointed at lack of slippers report...
Can confirm they are defo £200+ slippers and he has a LOVE chair in front of a plasma!!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on February 27, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
Haha "The Slippers" were upstairs, the Uggs ones ain't "The" ones


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 11:27:50 AM
Haha "The Slippers" were upstairs, the Uggs ones ain't "The" ones
I come all that way and dont get to see "The" ones  :redcard:



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on February 27, 2012, 11:33:08 AM
Black leather, didn't go with outfit


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
Black leather, didn't go with outfit
Pls tell me u won the world with the televised four fold   both to score/McIlroy/Real Madrid/Barcelona???


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on February 27, 2012, 11:37:11 AM
Yeah I done ok

McIlroy was 7-4 1 down with ladbrokes and was 5-4 to Lay on betfair


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2012, 11:42:09 AM
Yeah I done ok

McIlroy was 7-4 1 down with ladbrokes and was 5-4 to Lay on betfair
Yh saw he was 3dn and wondered if u would then play!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on February 29, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
A classic shot of our hero with Zachery, he has some amazing shots from the weekend after they were downloaded last night!
This one was specifically taken for the diary

Nipnipnipnipnip

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg[/img]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg) (http://[IMG)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 01, 2012, 10:59:41 PM
OK.. I bravely put my neck in the noose and post over and under 2.5 goal picks for this weekend....its prob a load of cock so if you follow it and lose money you were warned.... its purely maths and data but this weeks 8 randoms are :

Over 2.5...

Man city
Ipswich
Yeovil
Southport
Tamworth
York
Stranrar

Under 2.5..

Crystal Palace... although I read somewhere Peterbourgh just signed a striker from Crawley but i'm just going by numbers..

We obv gonna crash and burn but its small stakes and a bit o' fun and this type of thing needs to be played out over a period of time..more data..more accurate..hopefully :)...

I arranged mine as a pure 8 fold as above and a 4 fold and double as follows due to the higher ratings of the individual games :

ipswich
yeovil
tamworth
york


ipswich
tamworth

Good luck but remember an 8 fold is ridic hard to hit... lets hope we get a sweat !


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on March 01, 2012, 11:48:06 PM
On the 8 game acca, £20 to win £987 gettttt


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 01, 2012, 11:55:53 PM
On the 8 game acca, £20 to win £987 gettttt

This + the 4, one time hit the winnnnnnnnnn!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on March 02, 2012, 12:59:11 AM
A classic shot of our hero with Zachery, he has some amazing shots from the weekend after they were downloaded last night!
This one was specifically taken for the diary

Nipnipnipnipnip

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg[/img]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg) (http://[IMG)


aint dave supposed to have his top off? or will the baby be confused and think its lunch time :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 02, 2012, 09:49:17 AM
A classic shot of our hero with Zachery, he has some amazing shots from the weekend after they were downloaded last night!
This one was specifically taken for the diary

Nipnipnipnipnip

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg[/img]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6444/crabmaki.jpg) (http://[IMG)


aint dave supposed to have his top off? or will the baby be confused and think its lunch time :)
There are some topless Dubai shots but they are for his private collection!!
I'm sure he will post some other shots later on! ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on March 03, 2012, 04:58:38 PM
That Footy bet (double) was a massive sweat! and only 1 goal off four fold :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 03, 2012, 05:03:34 PM
That Footy bet (double) was a massive sweat! and only 1 goal off four fold :)

Lol yep fleetwood come through for me 2goals in the last 4 mins...  5/8 for the big one and each game missed by 1 goal each..man city apparently should have had a hatful...

Think we are little unfortunate think we were not far from this at all ...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on March 03, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
My big bet was double smaller one on fourfold and very small 8 fold. Nice sweat!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 03, 2012, 05:11:29 PM
My big bet was double smaller one on fourfold and very small 8 fold. Nice sweat!

Nice one!   

5/8. Doesn't sound close but we were.... Roll on next Saturday...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 03, 2012, 05:27:22 PM
I had £25 on the 4 fold and £20 on the 7 fold (left out unders), was sweating a monkey on the 7 and a bottle on the 4.

When I checked through the four fold first and see York mugged us off by one :(


Great fun though and as you said roll on Saturday!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 04, 2012, 01:47:36 PM
Update more tomoz but won £150 on footie at LVTC!

Today sticking £120 on Ireland to score over 15.5 points vs France at 5/6


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: istrabraq on March 04, 2012, 05:56:03 PM
How did your team do at Lvtc m8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 04, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
How did your team do at Lvtc m8

[  ] Good


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 05, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
Late notice £200 on both teams to score Southend v Crawley at 4/6


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 07, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
Didn't have time to get it up on the thread last night....(sorry guys ) didn't realise until late but was a big card on the football so rushed through the analysis ... came up with single.double , 4 fold and 8 fold.. all made up of the 8 selections... Fleetwood once again being the lynch pin as well as my £40-infinity bet :).... they came through in the 90th minute ...wiiii to setup an epic sweat as everything was in..see below... and needed 1 goal in the Southampton ipswich( which was 3-4 minutes behind Fleetwood ) game to bring home the 8 fold for £1700 for £20..me and the Pizz were screaming them in watching sky sports sports centre when Ian Dowie informs us Ipswich cleared the ball off the line in the 93rd minute...fml...

Will post up Saturdays card...as i was 1 goal away also on a Sunday Euro elite list for a 6 fold ( bloody A.Madrid )...we are def gonna hit another one of these guys......cant complain as all the rest came in..just 1 goal away from a £2200 + clean sweep...  :'(




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 09, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
Ok numbers crunched and its a tough card to pick this week......Had to go to Wales to get the 8 in yikes ! Here goes..

8 Fold all overs

Wolves
Peterbrgh
Carlise
Port Vale
Braintree
Arbroath
Montrose
Airbus Uk

£40 to win £1914

5 fold
Wolves
Carlise
Arbroath
Montrose
Airbus Uk



Double
Arbroath
Airbus


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 10, 2012, 02:37:52 PM
Not been around much online this only able to ghost in and out of threads as been uber busy at work so will update fully later on!

Obv for now just need to put up bets for the day

£20 @ 9's win Papamoa 2.50 Ayr   was going to back e/w but only 7 runners so ftw only

As mentioned in another thread Blackpool to be winning at HT + FT £20 @ 10/3

£40 Double chance (win or draw) Brighton/Millwall/Blackpool/Sheff Weds/Walsall  returns 5/2

£15 on sicillians over 2.5 goals  Wolves/Peterborough/Carlisle/Port Vale/Braintree/Arbroath/Montrose

£25 both teams to score  Sunderland/Oldham/Wycombe/Northampton/Swindon

£10 over goals   Reading/Carlisle/tranmere/Wycombe/Port vale/Swindon
And finally had £75 e/w on Master of Arts @16's the other day when Marky texted me for next weeks County Hurdle so hope it runs well today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on March 10, 2012, 09:20:58 PM
Eso, footy question for you, are Burnley that much of a dog to beat Southampton tomorrow?
I cannot get Burnley right tbh, last week I fancied them vs Posh but Southampton have some players coming back!!

How is the software doing??

Hi mate, made some tweaks for last weekends footy and the predictions were:
Man City v Bolton
Ipswich v Bristol City
Millwall v Reading
Notts County v Carlisle
Sheff Wed v Oldham
Aldershot v Morecombe

Only Sheff Wed let me down after going 2-0 up :(

This week we have a winner :)
Brighton v Portsmouth
Reading v Leicester
Southampton v Barnsley
Carlisle v Bury
Shrewsbury v B Albion
Swindon v Cheltenham
MK Dons v Exeter

This paid a nice 32/1 acca and after persuading the wife with a lovely mothersday gift I'm free rolling the Walsall GUKPT.

The system is obv still not full proof but I think we're making progress.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
WHERE HAVE I BEEN!!

Well it has been a busy couple of weeks and I have neglected my diary that 4 fellow degens read, so apologies for the TL;DR and I shall break it up a bit if I can..

LAS VEGAS TEAM CHALLENGE WEEKEND

Well I set off early Saturday morning and arrived in my old stomping ground of Walsall, had a hair cut and went to the gym then placed a few small footie bets before meeting Team Ho for a Nando's pre tourney meal. I declared that if I scooped a monkey on the footie and our team was in with no chance (in before anyone say's we never had a chance) then I would drive across and late reg the £500 at DTD and when Captain HO busted within 5mins and Leatherman walked over clutching a tray with 1 chip in things did not look good.

Girgy had double through though and I was over 10k from a ss of 7k and with $4k for the winner I decided I would play properly for a while and not just donk off as I had invested some time and $$ in getting here, alas Girgles bust and then I had my 3 team mates anti-railing me so we could go out on the town.  The boys then went off back to Milligans motel and just before my exit hand to John Conroy (nice chap) who I think is high up at Badbeat in a standard AK vs QQ spot aipf each with 20bigs Petra rang to say she was not working Sunday and I decided that if I didnt make day 2 I would drive back down south and have some family time even though I had a pass out for the weekend!! (FLAME AWAY)

So it was back to Essex as although I showed £150 profit on the footie I could not justify buying directly into the £500 with 25bigs and it was just a sweat for fellow blondies and the sweepstake for me!!

 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
SOUTHEND UTD FC + LUTON LAST WEEK

Got roped into going to see Southend vs Crawley on Monday night and it eventually cost me £250 inc tickets,food and my PURE PUNT on both teams to score which seemed like a good idea until the rain and wind starting blowing around with the Southend keepers first kick going out for a throw in inside their own half and unless Crawley scored first with the wind behind them I felt like it was £200 well and truly burnt, which as it goes would have been a better idea to keep my hands warm!

At work we have been unbelievably busy and with a Laura on holiday for the week I just had not had time to post and just looked at threads as and when I could, so far this month we have sold 9 properties which is only 1 deal off our target and still have 3 weeks left which is incred!!  
It's not down to doing anything different or a good market, I guess we just have some attractive stock on the books so when I received a text from Celtic to meet him for dinner Thurs with Forthistle I expected this could mean he needed another backer for dinner until....

VINNY BOUGHT ME DINNER!!!!!

Yes you read it here first Celtic our hero bought me and Forthistle dinner at the 'G' and got the bad beat of being drawn on our table for their £50 tourney after which he decided was enough to donk off his first lot of chips just for a re-entry and a table move, I made a questionable shove when I should have let the blinds go through me and it was a 19th place finish for me but it was nice to catch up with Vinny,Jimbo (77Dave) and Forthistle as well as table comic Luther!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on March 12, 2012, 02:09:13 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??
What u backed without the NRNB? or u want it to run?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 12, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 12, 2012, 02:29:32 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...

Details for double sweats.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 02:35:49 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...

Details for double sweats.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on March 12, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??
What u backed without the NRNB? or u want it to run?

I think I've just misunderstood what you meant, do you want it too run ? I have the same bet.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 12, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??
What u backed without the NRNB? or u want it to run?

I think I've just misunderstood what you meant, do you want it too run ? I have the same bet.

The way it ran on Saturday I'll take a NRNB. Not sure if I've got a NRNB tho so if it runs I hope we bink.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2012, 03:02:31 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??
What u backed without the NRNB? or u want it to run?

I think I've just misunderstood what you meant, do you want it too run ? I have the same bet.
yh I meant I would rather it not run and then we get the ££ back to play with.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on March 12, 2012, 03:04:04 PM
THE WEEKENDS PUNTING!!

[ ] Went Well

I cant remember such a disappointing weekend in ages and it was not down to the money as I punted off less than £150 (not inc Marky's bet from earlier in the week) but I didnt get a sweat anywhere so hopefully I left all my winners in the bag for Cheltenham this week!!

CHELTENHAM FOR ME!!

I love this week coming up and up until a year or so ago would take the week off and just watch it all on the telly with some daily punts and a few placepots every day but the past few years I have been at work but have it on the telly here and punt it off that way!!
This year I have a couple of ante-post bets on  Midnight Chase (gold cup) win/place and without Long Run on BF and The New One in the bumper win only along with Master of Arts in the County hurdle although I will gladly take the non runner no bet part back now!

I shall place a few bets each day but will be trying to scoop a big placepot if I can as for me if I can get a couple of the short ones beat you can scoop a good return for a low outlay, oh and I am doing some running for the Camel over the week so hope he has a few winners and I earn a few extra ££ that way also.

REAL LIFE

Well we had a new bathroom fitted last week which was a pain esp with Max wanting to be everywhere but apart from a few snags that is all sorted now although some ££ out of pocket and next week we fly to Slovakia for a week for Max's first birthday (how time fly's) which Petra wanted to spend out there with her family as her sisters baby is 1 the day after Max and a joint gathering should be nice.

As you will have seen from a lack of major gambling coups and high life expenses I have been punting well within my means for a change  ;) and may even put up a staking thread for a couple of Tourney's that are out of my roll for April/May so if you fancy a punt then look out!!!

GL all degens at Cheltenham this week!!!!!!!!

Sigh ??
What u backed without the NRNB? or u want it to run?

I think I've just misunderstood what you meant, do you want it too run ? I have the same bet.
yh I meant I would rather it not run and then we get the ££ back to play with.

Yeah that's what I thought you meant, didn't no it had a bad race Sat, lock to win :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 12, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...

Details for double sweats.

The World is my Oyster  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 13, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
I missed the race but by all accounts I heard it was tez :(

This was what he posted up on the forum after the race.


'No feedback, but too bad to be true.

Mate rung from saddling area and said never seen stable wait so long before putting on blinkers, and feared he was too buzzed up.

More concerning was the drfit in price and the Pipe disclaimer.

Smells rotten tbh.

Apols all round, and I have already ask they take him out of County Hurdle





He also said after that he heard the horse came back lame.  Excuse my complete ignorance but I presume that means it won't be running this week and we all get our money back....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 13, 2012, 08:58:54 AM
I missed the race but by all accounts I heard it was tez :(

This was what he posted up on the forum after the race.


'No feedback, but too bad to be true.

Mate rung from saddling area and said never seen stable wait so long before putting on blinkers, and feared he was too buzzed up.

More concerning was the drfit in price and the Pipe disclaimer.

Smells rotten tbh.

Apols all round, and I have already ask they take him out of County Hurdle





He also said after that he heard the horse came back lame.  Excuse my complete ignorance but I presume that means it won't be running this week and we all get our money back....
yh dw mate I would be happy with a non runner in the county
GL the rest of the week!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 13, 2012, 12:30:44 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...

Details for double sweats.

The World is my Oyster  ;)

Ok... So decided to swing the net wider and do some homework and research on world leagues...it seems there are a lot of markets out there far easier to predict than the uk ones...little experiment last night incorporated Cyprus,Bulgaria & Turkey...3 singles and a treble bang on for a nice tidy +£400... im going to incorporate as many viable leagues into the program..we are looking for 8 as nailed on picks from around the world with a price of 1.5 or better on one card....theres gonna be some weird and wonderful ones from lower foreign leagues but i will only crunch ones that are quoted markets... hold on kids could be wild LOL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 13, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
The football bets are about to take an interesting turn..experiment tonight...

Details for double sweats.

The World is my Oyster  ;)

Ok... So decided to swing the net wider and do some homework and research on world leagues...it seems there are a lot of markets out there far easier to predict than the uk ones...little experiment last night incorporated Cyprus,Bulgaria & Turkey...3 singles and a treble bang on for a nice tidy +£400... im going to incorporate as many viable leagues into the program..we are looking for 8 as nailed on picks from around the world with a price of 1.5 or better on one card....theres gonna be some weird and wonderful ones from lower foreign leagues but i will only crunch ones that are quoted markets... hold on kids could be wild LOL

Can't wait!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 13, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
^^^^^^^^  +1 but hurry up we need some £££


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 13, 2012, 01:15:36 PM
First bullets fired for Cheltenham

£40 double on   hurricane fly  5/6  and  Quevega  4/9

Placepots
big perm of   12-14-16-18 /  2-3-5 / 3-6-18 / 1-8 / 3-4-10 / 1-6-16  648 bets @ 5p  = £32.40 hoping favs fall

9-17 / 6 / 8-9 / 4 / 2-12 / 5            8 bets @ £1

6 / 6 / 1 / 4 / 2 / 5             line @ £10

Laid out £90.40 not getting involved anymore today!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 13, 2012, 05:30:27 PM
First bullets fired for Cheltenham

£40 double on   hurricane fly  5/6  and  Quevega  4/9

Placepots
big perm of   12-14-16-18 /  2-3-5 / 3-6-18 / 1-8 / 3-4-10 / 1-6-16  648 bets @ 5p  = £32.40 hoping favs fall

9-17 / 6 / 8-9 / 4 / 2-12 / 5            8 bets @ £1

6 / 6 / 1 / 4 / 2 / 5             line @ £10

Laid out £90.40 not getting involved anymore today!
Scooped the p/pot but only for 5p so win £3.81 wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   no other bets and glad as would have done a lot today.
Gonna get a good p/pot up this week can feel it!!
Current Cheltenham loss £86.59


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 14, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Day 2

Already on "The New One" from ages ago

£50 Sizing Europe @ 10/11
£18 Vendor  price left

Placepots
2-15-18 / 3-6-16 / 4-6 / 1-2 / 2-14-21 / 3-4-19-22   432 x 5p lines  £21.60

1-2-18 / 15 / 5 / 7 / 1-4-23-25 / 3-4-13   36 x .30p lines £10.80

2-13-15-19 / 11-16 / 1-4 / 7 / 1-2-12-14-21-23 / 3-4-13-19-22   480x 5p lines   £24

Day 2 staked £124.40
Oh and free £10 bet with Laddies on £5ew treble   Lively Baron 25/1 in the 1.30 /  Carlito Brigante 14/1 in the 4.00 / Argocat 16/1 in the 4.40

GL all punters!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 04:48:41 AM
Ok soccer pick time..

8 best from mixed from uk and various leagues around Europe..

Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Borussia M'gladbach II v Kaiserslautern II
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.80    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Lorient v Brest
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Asteras Tripoli v AEK Athens
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
5    Under 2.5    Oman FC v Alshabab
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

Best 8 UK

1    Under 2.5    Crystal Palace v Hull
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Bury v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.66    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Braintree Town v Kidderminster
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Colwyn Bay v Hinckley United
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

I have done one where I interchanged Ipswich for Accrington.. Also done various Double & 4 fold combo's of above


Let the sweat commence :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
Last 2 days of CHELTENHAM

I actually didnt watch much of the racing as was busy doing DIY (thurs) and very busy at work Friday and people kept coming into the office whilst the races were off so missed the finish of most races, anyway I didnt do too much damage and the 4 days cost the princely sum of £200 mainly in placepots where most days I bust in 1 leg and not in the outsider ones they were more obvious than that!

I should get that ££ back as I was placing some bets for "The Camel" over the 4days on an unused account and we are currently in profit with a free bet to come today followed by some shrewd ££ needed to unlock the bonus which will return approx what I lost on the week so I shall be v happy with that.

Unfortunately I lost £10 to Milligan in a Cheltenham match bet as could not pick my nose in the tipster challenge so am going to pay him in pennies in uncounted bags!

We are absolutely flying at work and if every month was like this and the end of last month then we would have an amazing year and it shows in the hard work we have put in since joining here 8months ago, we are currently on £40'000 in sold fees for March with 2 weeks to go which when you think our yearly target is £350'000 is a massive performance. Long may it continue!!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 17, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Last 2 days of CHELTENHAM

I actually didnt watch much of the racing as was busy doing DIY (thurs) and very busy at work Friday and people kept coming into the office whilst the races were off so missed the finish of most races, anyway I didnt do too much damage and the 4 days cost the princely sum of £200 mainly in placepots where most days I bust in 1 leg and not in the outsider ones they were more obvious than that!

I should get that ££ back as I was placing some bets for "The Camel"
over the 4days on an unused account and we are currently in profit with a free bet to come today followed by some shrewd ££ needed to unlock the bonus which will return approx what I lost on the week so I shall be v happy with that.

Unfortunately I lost £10 to Milligan in a Cheltenham match bet as could not pick my nose in the tipster challenge so am going to pay him in pennies in uncounted bags!

We are absolutely flying at work and if every month was like this and the end of last month then we would have an amazing year and it shows in the hard work we have put in since joining here 8months ago, we are currently on £40'000 in sold fees for March with 2 weeks to go which when you think our yearly target is £350'000 is a massive performance. Long may it continue!!!



MBSFN


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 17, 2012, 12:35:54 PM

Unfortunately I lost £10 to Milligan in a Cheltenham match bet as could not pick my nose in the tipster challenge so am going to pay him in pennies in uncounted bags!


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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 12:36:58 PM
SPAM ALERT!!!

I have my second staking thread up so if you fancy a punt either pm or post itt

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.0)

My life roll is massively depleted atm as had a new bathroom fitted last week and Max's first birthday next week (how time flies) and rarely look to sell as if I cant afford to play I dont but with such good tourneys over the next 6 weeks wanted to put something together to cover it and as stated if I dont sell I dont play everything!!

I won me a golden chip last night as well as a 6th place for 120euro in a 15euro f/o out of the 4 tourneys played so a small profit on the night and as can only play one day 1 it is nice to know that is sorted for April.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 12:47:32 PM
SLOVAKIA NEXT WEEK

Next week is one of our visits to the "outlaws" in Slovakia so it's pretty much a week of silence for me as none of them speak English and my Slovak is limited  :(

This first year with Maxwell has gone so fast and I cant believe he will be 1 year old next Friday and I think we have been very lucky that he is such a good little lad

Not much puntering going on today just a small interest in Sicillians footie and a small acca of my own which will post later!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
You run good Eso... Not only do you bag an 8 wife but ur mother in law can't speak English.... Some guys do have all the luck  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
You run good Eso... Not only do you bag an 8 wife but ur mother in law can't speak English.... Some guys do have all the luck  ;)
V Good   Me and Millidonk are on small on ur bets today except the Kaiserslauten bet as cant get on reserve matches and Milldonk does not know where Oman is!!

We have Overs on Airdrie/Lorient/AEK Athens/Stranraer/Worcester/Ipswich for £15

Unders C.Palace then overs Bury/Braintree/Colwyn Bay/Worcester/Airdrie/Stranraer/Accrington for £9 and £6 super acca on all games


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
Only footie sweat today is

Overs on Millwall/Bury/Rochdale/Accrington/Bristol Rovers/Dagenham
£20 returns £821.60


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 17, 2012, 02:06:29 PM
Eso text me saying have you ever heard of this country "Oh Man". Obv you didn't have to do well at school to become an estate agent. For next time.

(http://guide.theemiratesnetwork.com/maps/images/uae_on_world_map.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Eso text me saying have you ever heard of this country "Oh Man". Obv you didn't have to do well at school to become an estate agent. For next time.

(http://guide.theemiratesnetwork.com/maps/images/uae_on_world_map.jpg)

He only didn't know where Oman was because they don't have 3 Bed semi's with conservatories,en suite to main and within school catchment area....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
You run good Eso... Not only do you bag an 8 wife but ur mother in law can't speak English.... Some guys do have all the luck  ;)
V Good   Me and Millidonk are on small on ur bets today except the Kaiserslauten bet as cant get on reserve matches and Milldonk does not know where Oman is!!

We have Overs on Airdrie/Lorient/AEK Athens/Stranraer/Worcester/Ipswich for £15

Unders C.Palace then overs Bury/Braintree/Colwyn Bay/Worcester/Airdrie/Stranraer/Accrington for £9 and £6 super acca on all games

LOL ok good luck lets win the world...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
You run good Eso... Not only do you bag an 8 wife but ur mother in law can't speak English.... Some guys do have all the luck  ;)
V Good   Me and Millidonk are on small on ur bets today except the Kaiserslauten bet as cant get on reserve matches and Milldonk does not know where Oman is!!

We have Overs on Airdrie/Lorient/AEK Athens/Stranraer/Worcester/Ipswich for £15

Unders C.Palace then overs Bury/Braintree/Colwyn Bay/Worcester/Airdrie/Stranraer/Accrington for £9 and £6 super acca on all games

Thats a shame just rolled in early 2nd half..bet365 quotes them... german amateur league regonella west this one...u gotta know your german amateur west divisions ffs LOL


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on March 17, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
Ok soccer pick time..

8 best from mixed from uk and various leagues around Europe..

Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Borussia M'gladbach II v Kaiserslautern II
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.80    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Lorient v Brest
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Asteras Tripoli v AEK Athens
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
5    Under 2.5    Oman FC v Alshabab
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

Best 8 UK

1    Under 2.5    Crystal Palace v Hull
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Bury v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.66    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Braintree Town v Kidderminster
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Colwyn Bay v Hinckley United
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

I have done one where I interchanged Ipswich for Accrington.. Also done various Double & 4 fold combo's of above


Let the sweat commence :)


Nothing like a sweat on non league football :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
Ok soccer pick time..

8 best from mixed from uk and various leagues around Europe..

Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Borussia M'gladbach II v Kaiserslautern II
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.80    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Lorient v Brest
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Asteras Tripoli v AEK Athens
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
5    Under 2.5    Oman FC v Alshabab
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

Best 8 UK

1    Under 2.5    Crystal Palace v Hull
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Bury v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.66    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Braintree Town v Kidderminster
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Colwyn Bay v Hinckley United
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

I have done one where I interchanged Ipswich for Accrington.. Also done various Double & 4 fold combo's of above


Let the sweat commence :)


Nothing like a sweat on non league football :)
never waited so long looking at the vidiprinter  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on March 17, 2012, 05:01:57 PM
Ok soccer pick time..

8 best from mixed from uk and various leagues around Europe..

Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Borussia M'gladbach II v Kaiserslautern II
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.80    To Run
3    Under 2.5    Lorient v Brest
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
4    Under 2.5    Asteras Tripoli v AEK Athens
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
5    Under 2.5    Oman FC v Alshabab
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.44    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

Best 8 UK

1    Under 2.5    Crystal Palace v Hull
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Bury v Wycombe
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.66    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Braintree Town v Kidderminster
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Colwyn Bay v Hinckley United
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Worcester City v Droylsden
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Forfar
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Montrose
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ipswich v Peterborough
(Total Goals)    17/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run

I have done one where I interchanged Ipswich for Accrington.. Also done various Double & 4 fold combo's of above


Let the sweat commence :)


Nothing like a sweat on non league football :)
never waited so long looking at the vidiprinter  ;)
This is agonising :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
ffs have about 2 bags on this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 05:11:37 PM
cmon worcester


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on March 17, 2012, 05:13:03 PM
cmon worcester


Where the vidiprinter gone :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on March 17, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
Carrier pigeon being used at Worcester?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 17, 2012, 05:15:54 PM
sigh, gg


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on March 17, 2012, 05:16:20 PM
ffs


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
cant believe it...1 goal.. i had about 5 accas for the world


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on March 17, 2012, 05:22:59 PM
Sportsbetting fish here, when you say you're betting the overs do you mean over 2.5 goals or 1.5?

gl with the stake, if I were you I'd be prepared to be in demand from blondes for pints and stories on ukipt weekend :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 05:30:02 PM
Sportsbetting fish here, when you say you're betting the overs do you mean over 2.5 goals or 1.5?

gl with the stake, if I were you I'd be prepared to be in demand from blondes for pints and stories on ukipt weekend :P

Over 2.5....

Sigh that was the worst sweat ever.... 2 bags and i cant find the result lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 17, 2012, 05:32:24 PM
Send me this 'Algorithm' I will make a few tweaks and get us over the finishing line.  ;)

Joint sweats so much more fun.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 08:17:17 PM
Sportsbetting fish here, when you say you're betting the overs do you mean over 2.5 goals or 1.5?

gl with the stake, if I were you I'd be prepared to be in demand from blondes for pints and stories on ukipt weekend :P
Yh Deano answered the overs bit

Thx on the gl, I will have a cold one from the back of the fridge pls  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 08:18:05 PM
Send me this 'Algorithm' I will make a few tweaks and get us over the finishing line.  ;)

Joint sweats so much more fun.
^^ this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: hector62 on March 17, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Not that it is much consolation to you but I couldn't get goals bets on Scottish or non league games but chose 4 of your other selections which came in so thank you and looking forward to next Saturdays picks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 17, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
Not that it is much consolation to you but I couldn't get goals bets on Scottish or non league games but chose 4 of your other selections which came in so thank you and looking forward to next Saturdays picks.
Mbn to only get on Sicillidonks winners  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 17, 2012, 10:53:46 PM
Not that it is much consolation to you but I couldn't get goals bets on Scottish or non league games but chose 4 of your other selections which came in so thank you and looking forward to next Saturdays picks.

Lol well done sir... Glad to help


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on March 18, 2012, 10:14:46 AM
RSQ Q's are up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 18, 2012, 01:48:53 PM
RSQ Q's are up
Can I gambooooooooooooool on it?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 20, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
QUICK CATCH UP

Over the weekend I finished my duties as a bookies runner for "Camel" and it was pretty interesting and he ran pretty bad tbh although with me as one of his horses showed a small profit and released the deposit bonus meaning he won on the week.

Work was sooooo busy and we have currently sold 15 houses for the month which is incred and yesterday with my new guy onboard there was a real buzz in the office, offers flying around everywhere meaning the day just flew by!!

I posted on Vinny's diary a message yesterday as when I first bought him dinner at the "G" we found out that we are both Short,Chubby,Folically challenged,Parents from same village in Malta and that both Holly and my Dad passed away on March 19th so yesterday despite being a really busy day was also a very sad day!

RIP DAD!!  Thought about everyday and very much missed and would have made an amazing Grandad, which is one of the really sad things about him passing!!

I put up a staking thread over the weekend as my life roll just does not enable me to potentially spend £2500 in 5 weeks on poker and was chuffed to bits to sell out which means I can play all the events, there are 2 heavyweight stakers in Tikay and Flushy so hopefully can bring them some further rungood.

Finally we fly to Slovakia tomorrow for a week and I am looking forward to a week away from the normal life pressures and to see Petra's family and for them to spend some time with Maxwell as it is his first birthday Friday, my Mum is coming also but on Mothers Day there was the (excuse the pun) "Mother" of all rows between Petra and my Mum over looking after Max and it looked like Mum was not going to come with us until I stepped in to resolve it.

Basically on Saturday my Mum who looks after Max for 2 days per week to enable Petra to work from home went into Max as he was crying whilst he was going for a nap in the afternoon which meant he got all excited and then didnt want to sleep at all, taking him out of his routine and if that happens everytime she looks after him makes life more difficult for Petra as obv if he does not want a nap he knows it's ok to cry and then someone will come to him and that is not good.

I stood on Petra's side as she has looked into the psychology side of baby sleep and routine is key and my mum really didnt think she has done anything wrong so Mothers day was not enjoyed at all by anyone  :(  hopefully though it is all now resolved and she understands that Petra must have the overiding decision on how Max is looked after or it just wont work even if my Mum does not agree with it!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2012, 05:02:34 PM
Happy 1st Birthday Max!!

Best year of my life so far having the little man and especially seeing the bond between Petra and him!!


Happy Birthday Son!
 :birthday: :birthday:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on March 23, 2012, 05:13:51 PM
Happy 1st Birthday Max!!

Best year of my life so far having the little man and especially seeing the bond between Petra and him!!


Happy Birthday Son!
 :birthday: :birthday:

Happy Birthday to the little man!!

Bettsy x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 23, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
Všetko najlepšie k narodeninám! to the little man.

Max Blacklock, private detective in the making.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 23, 2012, 05:42:27 PM
What's it like to have a 1 year old with more hair than you?

Happy birthday max xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on March 23, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Happy 1st birthday max xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on March 23, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Yay. Happy birthday little Kral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on March 23, 2012, 07:00:29 PM
Yay. Happy birthday little Kral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on March 23, 2012, 07:28:43 PM
Happy Birthday Eso Max.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on March 23, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
Happy Birthday to max...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 23, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Happy Birthday Max


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 23, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
Ok

Lots of footie possibles this week..but...

1    Over 2.5    Yeovil v Hartlepool
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    2.00    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Droylsden v Boston Utd
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Hinckley Utd v Vauxhall Motors
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Weston-S-Mare v Hampton & Richmond
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Arbroath
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v East Stirling
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Nurnberg II v Eintracht Frankfurt II
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.65    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Bangor City v Llanelli
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on March 24, 2012, 06:24:31 AM
So incred. I wake up at 5.50 on a Saturday morning and one of the first things I think is, I haven't seen Scillidonk's bets yet and hey presto. Has to be a sign! Let's win the world peoples!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on March 24, 2012, 06:48:13 AM
Ok

Lots of footie possibles this week..but...

1    Over 2.5    Yeovil v Hartlepool
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    2.00    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Droylsden v Boston Utd
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Hinckley Utd v Vauxhall Motors
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Weston-S-Mare v Hampton & Richmond
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Arbroath
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v East Stirling
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Nurnberg II v Eintracht Frankfurt II
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.65    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Bangor City v Llanelli
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run


confused .......is this one bet?
what does to run mean ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 24, 2012, 07:13:19 AM
Ok

Lots of footie possibles this week..but...

1    Over 2.5    Yeovil v Hartlepool
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    2.00    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Droylsden v Boston Utd
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Hinckley Utd v Vauxhall Motors
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Weston-S-Mare v Hampton & Richmond
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Arbroath
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v East Stirling
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Nurnberg II v Eintracht Frankfurt II
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.65    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Bangor City v Llanelli
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run


confused .......is this one bet?
what does to run mean ?

Yes lee is called an accumulator. To run means they are still to play.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 10:26:10 AM
So incred. I wake up at 5.50 on a Saturday morning and one of the first things I think is, I haven't seen Scillidonk's bets yet and hey presto. Has to be a sign! Let's win the world peoples!

I woke up at 610am sprawled out in my office chair and thought I wonder what I'll punt today :D

Belated happy birthday to Mini Eso!!

Let's do lots of win today and get this Cheltenham hole cleared up!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 10:28:33 AM
Thanks for all the Birthday Wishes

Lol @ Milligan and Girgles
If only you could say it Millidonk!!
Yeah I am v jealous of the wii mans hair ;)

Today there is a family party as Max's cousin Sabinka is 1 year old today and Petra's mum's b/day is tomorrow so plenty of Slivovice will be drunk :((((


Cant get on deano's bet but did my own before coming out here so today am on  

£40 over 2.5 goals in matches  Millwall - Southampton - Huddersfield - Wycombe - and Hereford which pays 19/1

Also fancy a horse called  War singer @ Newbury but not backing it so it will definitely win :)

GL all today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: KarmaDope on March 24, 2012, 10:30:59 AM
I really dont like Vauxhall.

That game is a relegation 6 pointer for the one remaining relegation place and Vauxhall are one of the tighter sides at that end of the table.

On the other hand - they have to play each other twice.

I dunno...I can see that one being 1-1.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
I really dont like Vauxhall.

That game is a relegation 6 pointer for the one remaining relegation place and Vauxhall are one of the tighter sides at that end of the table.

On the other hand - they have to play each other twice.

I dunno...I can see that one being 1-1.
Good analysis but Sicillidonk has an Algorythm and everthing so it will definitely be 2-1 either way for the masses!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 10:39:11 AM
Lol at all you thinking I have the slightest idea what I'm doing..... 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 10:40:30 AM
Lol at all you thinking I have the slightest idea what I'm doing..... 
"In Donks we trust"


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 10:40:59 AM
Where did you get your footy bet on Dean?

I can't get on Lads or Sky....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on March 24, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
Ive had a mixture of Eso's and sicilians in doubles tebles and 4 folds.

I only have cash on Skybet and couldnt find the non league and foreign games there. Which site do you bet on?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 10:43:54 AM
Where did you get your footy bet on Dean?

I can't get on Lads or Sky....
Hills tend to have most matches even down to Blue Sq north/south which is domks speciality!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 10:47:41 AM
Where did you get your footy bet on Dean?

I can't get on Lads or Sky....
Hills tend to have most matches even down to Blue Sq north/south which is domks speciality!

Cheers

I'm on your horse and your footy so gl us!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
Where did you get your footy bet on Dean?

I can't get on Lads or Sky....
Hills tend to have most matches even down to Blue Sq north/south which is domks speciality!

Cheers

I'm on your horse and your footy so gl us!
Cool cool it's ur horse really but think it will run well today as I'm sure Newbury used to suit Frenchie type horses and this was brought over from there..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 10:59:34 AM
Bet365 seems to quote all.. The german one this week is german amateur regonella south


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
Where did you get your footy bet on Dean?

I can't get on Lads or Sky....
Hills tend to have most matches even down to Blue Sq north/south which is domks speciality!

Cheers

I'm on your horse and your footy so gl us!
Cool cool it's ur horse really but think it will run well today as I'm sure Newbury used to suit Frenchie type horses and this was brought over from there..

Oh right prob owes me some money then :D



Bet365 seems to quote all.. The german one this week is german amateur regonella south

tyty let's gogogo!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
have swapped the german game out in another acca for walsall v stevenage unders as the german one is early kick off and don't want it killed before its started


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on March 24, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
Slivovice, such a lovely little tipple!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 01:04:20 PM
For the full line up inc subs

   Over 2.5    Yeovil v Hartlepool
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    2.00    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Droylsden v Boston Utd
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.53    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Hinckley Utd v Vauxhall Motors
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Weston-S-Mare v Hampton & Richmond
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v Arbroath
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.50    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v East Stirling
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.47    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Bangor City v Llanelli
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
8    Under 2.5    Walsall v Stevenage
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
9    Under 2.5    Swansea v Everton
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.61    To Run
10    Over 2.5    Watford v Ipswich
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.70    To Run
11    Over 2.5    AFC Wimbledon v Burton Albion
(Total Goals)    24/03/2012    None    1.72    To Run



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: KarmaDope on March 24, 2012, 02:07:36 PM
On what I could get on Sky:

Swansea v Everton                           Under 2.5 Goals @ 1.57
Watford v Ipswich                       Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.67
Walsall v Stevenage                       Under 2.5 Goals @ 1.61
AFC Wimbledon v Burton Albion      Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.73
Yeovil v Hartlepool                       Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.91
Airdrie v Arbroath                      Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.57
Stranraer v East Stirling                       Over 2.5 Goals @ 1.44

Total odds: 31.67


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
German game home and hosed just after half time :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 02:42:33 PM
German game home and hosed just after half time :)

Haha I was looking to see how it was going in case I had to load up another before 3pm and couldn't find results anywhere :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on March 24, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
on Eso's fancies, but laddies would only give me 10-1 on 5 football picks so got the Mrs to pick out the sixth team, ended up with Coventry £10 on 17-1..

Also backed War Singer in the 3.10 at 3's and the mrs picked out Romeo America at 100's..  ;marks;

good luck us..  :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 02:54:01 PM
German game home and hosed just after half time :)

Haha I was looking to see how it was going in case I had to load up another before 3pm and couldn't find results anywhere :D

http://www.flashscores.co.uk/


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 02:54:58 PM
German game home and hosed just after half time :)

Haha I was looking to see how it was going in case I had to load up another before 3pm and couldn't find results anywhere :D

4-0. :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2012, 03:46:55 PM
Slivovice, such a lovely little tipple!!
Put's hairs on your chest though!!

Have u tried  Hruskovice? the pear based one or the lemon?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on March 24, 2012, 06:49:35 PM
Thanks for all the Birthday Wishes

Lol @ Milligan and Girgles
If only you could say it Millidonk!!
Yeah I am v jealous of the wii mans hair ;)

Today there is a family party as Max's cousin Sabinka is 1 year old today and Petra's mum's b/day is tomorrow so plenty of Slivovice will be drunk :((((


Cant get on deano's bet but did my own before coming out here so today am on  

£40 overs under 2.5 goals in matches  Millwall - Southampton - Huddersfield - Wycombe - and Hereford which pays 19/1

Also fancy a horse called  War singer @ Newbury but not backing it so it will definitely win :) lose :(

GL all today

Fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on March 24, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Tough Day..seemed closer than it was..Yeovil letting us down badly and Airdrie not quite getting there..ended 6/8   & 9/11  had a couple of doubles that broke the day even and still have a euro one running..



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2012, 08:04:04 PM
Tough Day..seemed closer than it was..Yeovil letting us down badly and Airdrie not quite getting there..ended 6/8   & 9/11  had a couple of doubles that broke the day even and still have a euro one running..



Wow I thought we were gonna end up like 3-4/8 at half time and never bothered to check. I only did the muggy win it all or nothing bets so I'm on the chase now :D

Good luck with the euro one that's running!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 30, 2012, 02:06:30 PM
BACK IN THE SWING

Well we got back to the Uk alright late on Weds night and it was straight into work Thursday morning and a day of just catching up with deals etc and blonde  ;)
Whilst away we lost a few deals which means the month will finish very good but not amazing and it's a nice feeling to be unhappy about a month that is double what we used to do across the road last year!!

On the way back after a text from Leatherman I backed Kiss a prince in the win and place market on bf and then punched in a lay bet at 1.5 and that didnt get matched IR but during the race I traded out part of my win bet and the place part ended up showing an overall profit on the bet of £44 so was fairly happy with that.

Last night having read about the Chipleader tourney I decided to have a dabble and bust out of 2 fairly quickly but went deep in the only other tourney I played which was the 10e satty to the £150 which is part of my staked package next week and managed to nab one of the 2 seats on offer despite doing a get there on the turn to knock out the bubbleboy which means I shall play 3-4 of the 10seat gtees next week as a virtual freeroll to try and gain another seat.

Took a lovely beach hut on the market today for £12'500 and reckon it will sell within 2 weeks!!
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6532/dsc0004ca.jpg[/img]](http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6532/dsc0004ca.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on March 30, 2012, 04:05:31 PM
Deepstack at Luton Saturday afternoon?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 30, 2012, 04:31:07 PM
Deepstack at Luton Saturday afternoon?
Impossible mate unfortunately as I have gained a playing pass out for 4 out of the next 5 weekends this would be the quick route to the divorce courts me thinks!!

Obv it would have been nice to buy you dinner but you will have to wait!!

GL though  tourneypro!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on March 30, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
Deepstack at Luton Saturday afternoon?
Impossible mate unfortunately as I have gained a playing pass out for 4 out of the next 5 weekends this would be the quick route to the divorce courts me thinks!!

Obv it would have been nice to buy you dinner but you will have to wait!!

GL though  tourneypro!!

Why on earth would you want to spend so much of your free time playing pokerz!?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 30, 2012, 05:42:13 PM
Deepstack at Luton Saturday afternoon?
Impossible mate unfortunately as I have gained a playing pass out for 4 out of the next 5 weekends this would be the quick route to the divorce courts me thinks!!

Obv it would have been nice to buy you dinner but you will have to wait!!

GL though  tourneypro!!

Why on earth would you want to spend so much of your free time playing pokerz!?
I only really play about 20 times per year live but its just that there are some good looking tourney's and they all happen to fall in a 5 week period.
Plus with my spewy game I 'm not actually around that long  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on March 30, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
You up for the UKIPT?  What day you playing if you are?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: nirvana on March 30, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Deepstack at Luton Saturday afternoon?
Impossible mate unfortunately as I have gained a playing pass out for 4 out of the next 5 weekends this would be the quick route to the divorce courts me thinks!!

Obv it would have been nice to buy you dinner but you will have to wait!!

GL though  tourneypro!!

Why on earth would you want to spend so much of your free time playing pokerz!?

Such a great question/reflection/mulling point


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 30, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
You up for the UKIPT?  What day you playing if you are?
Yes mate I am up on Thursday night playing the side then Friday M/E and hope to be around the weekend.

You?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on March 31, 2012, 09:19:09 AM
Today am on

£300 Sirius Prospect  9/4   2.40 donny after text from stable jockey but BH fancies Mayson in the race so may have a small saver on this to get the ££ back but I cant see us not finishing in front of his if all is ok on the better ground we like.

Also have a goals bet running from last night

£35 fourfold over 2.5 goals   Bournemouth 5/6, Birmingham 5/6, Cardiff 8/11,  S.Weds 5/6

£25 fourfold over 2.5 goals   Wolves 4/6, Blackpool 4/6, Port Vale 5/6, Southend 5/6

and a £20 acca on all 8 games, obv Southend and Birmingham matches were played last night and all bets still running!


GL all punterers today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on March 31, 2012, 10:55:23 AM
Betfred gone 5/2 on Sirius ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on March 31, 2012, 11:40:58 AM
Betfred gone 5/2 on Sirius ;)

Bigbetts gone awlll innne on this! Let's get sirious.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 01, 2012, 11:44:45 AM
2.48 Saturday 31st March

I'm in Ladbrokes between an afternoon of appts, tilted as the horse has run and obviously needed a run and both my fooite bets are down from early kick offs so what do we do...

Yeah go on then lets place one more bet on both teams to score and hopefully get a sweat whilst were driving between appts showing peoples properties

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4116/betc.jpg[/img]](http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4116/betc.jpg) (http://[img width=402 height=600)

So we end up £271 up on the day!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on April 01, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
You sir, have one sweet lilfe!

Obv next time you decide to do something as hideous as placing a bet without posting about it please remember to txt me. vwp. nice binkage.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 01, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
£100 double on   Inter and Valencia to win at a shade under 6/4


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on April 01, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Inter Won 5-4 WTF..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
BACK IN THE SWING

Well we got back to the Uk alright late on Weds night and it was straight into work Thursday morning and a day of just catching up with deals etc and blonde  ;)
Whilst away we lost a few deals which means the month will finish very good but not amazing and it's a nice feeling to be unhappy about a month that is double what we used to do across the road last year!!

On the way back after a text from Leatherman I backed Kiss a prince in the win and place market on bf and then punched in a lay bet at 1.5 and that didnt get matched IR but during the race I traded out part of my win bet and the place part ended up showing an overall profit on the bet of £44 so was fairly happy with that.

Last night having read about the Chipleader tourney I decided to have a dabble and bust out of 2 fairly quickly but went deep in the only other tourney I played which was the 10e satty to the £150 which is part of my staked package next week and managed to nab one of the 2 seats on offer despite doing a get there on the turn to knock out the bubbleboy which means I shall play 3-4 of the 10seat gtees next week as a virtual freeroll to try and gain another seat.

Took a lovely beach hut on the market today for £12'500 and reckon it will sell within 2 weeks!!
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6532/dsc0004ca.jpg[/img]](http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6532/dsc0004ca.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)


Sold yesterday for £12000 within 3days of being on the internet and the chap who has bought it did not even want to have a look inside it!!
Dubai is such a boss  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2012, 10:16:24 AM
We have had another solid start to April at work and are currently on £18'000 is sales fees sold after 4 days which is incred, I sold 3 so far so some extra ££ on the way.

Played 3 sats this week on DTD for the £150 after winning 1 last week to try and ship an extra seat whilst they are giving away 10 seats per night and Monday finished 22/60, Tuesday finished 15/68 getting called by some donk on here apparently and then last night was a real grind and it took over 2 hours to get over starting stack which was 1/2 average  :( and then it became a pure shoving stack until I sat next to C/L  John Black from "Ape and Notebook" fame who farms seats on DTD and after losing QQ v A6 to runner runnner runner flush I just jammed 2 hands in a row and then moved tables receiving the obligatory welcome to the table  Jc Jd UTG first hand and win some more chips but am still 13/20.

It was such and different tourney for John and myself he was chipped up really early and never outside the top 10 and I was in the lower echelons until I won a big race where I jam 15bb's with  Td Th and get looked up by  Ahrt Qc for 80% of a guys stack and we HOLD which pushed me to 100k and a seat virtually bagged and then KO'd another player to leave us with 11 and a real shortie on our table was the unfortunate bubble boy.

So we have invested 80euros over the past week and got 410euro in seats for the weekend which is the first part of my staking package that I put up so am hoping for a few decent sweats for the backers over the next few weeks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2012, 10:51:03 AM
Just gone back through the diary since last updating totals which was the end of Feb and it was a small loss of a month which did not surprise me.

2012 upto date totals

Sports  + £507.74
Goals + £234.30
Football - £490.53
Horses - £13.90
Poker + £1212.28
20k challenge - £120

Overall P+L + £1329.89


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on April 05, 2012, 02:12:35 PM
You up for the UKIPT?  What day you playing if you are?
Yes mate I am up on Thursday night playing the side then Friday M/E and hope to be around the weekend.

You?

Playing the Thursday, so will see you Thursday night :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 10:47:38 AM
We made day 2 of the 150deepie at DTD and come back above average with 105400 which is 44bbs so not in bad shape which means I'm up in Nottingham with a day to kill ;)

So it will probs consist of 
watching sunderland vs spurs and like all the Newcastle lads hoping the red and white stripes win

putting a few placepots on for a bit of watching interest

the obligatory goals betting

an evening at Nottingham dogs

a curry with Tighty

obv this could be more expensive than 2 bullets at Dtd :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on April 07, 2012, 10:51:50 AM
How about the ukipt sat matey. 10 seats and full of value :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on April 07, 2012, 10:53:42 AM
Where are you going for the curry?

I could make some recommendations if you need them.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: istrabraq on April 07, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
Good luck Sunday nice 2 see kk win for a change hopefully next timevi sit next to you it will be final table lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on April 07, 2012, 11:01:02 AM
Where are you going for the curry?

I could make some recommendations if you need them.
Has to be open at 1am when the tight one clocks off


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on April 07, 2012, 11:11:15 AM
Where are you going for the curry?

I could make some recommendations if you need them.
Has to be open at 1am when the tight one clocks off

That'll be a doner kebab on Alfreton Rd. near Canning Circus then.

Unless you're willing to risk Hopkin's(but deffo not my) favourite Noor Jahan near The Victoria Centre on Mansfield Rd.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 07, 2012, 11:28:03 AM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on April 07, 2012, 11:58:57 AM
gl squire!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2012, 12:25:31 PM

Behave today, WIN tomorrow!

A nice bink tomorrow would be a great start to your staking "package".


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 12:58:27 PM
How about the ukipt sat matey. 10 seats and full of value :)
If we dont do a win on something today that may be the case...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 12:58:55 PM
Good luck Sunday nice 2 see kk win for a change hopefully next timevi sit next to you it will be final table lol
u2 buddy


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 12:59:45 PM
Where are you going for the curry?

I could make some recommendations if you need them.
Has to be open at 1am when the tight one clocks off

That'll be a doner kebab on Alfreton Rd. near Canning Circus then.

Unless you're willing to risk Hopkin's(but deffo not my) favourite Noor Jahan near The Victoria Centre on Mansfield Rd.
all reccs welcome tx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 01:00:49 PM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 01:01:44 PM
gl squire!
<3 bitb


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2012, 01:02:06 PM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 01:04:12 PM

Behave today, WIN tomorrow!

A nice bink tomorrow would be a great start to your staking "package".
Very true pops and would be further proof of how golden Tikay's and Flushy's staking ££ is.

Dont worry were only having a small interest today ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
The days puntering

£28 in placepots across 4 meetings
£10 e/w Incentivise @ 14/1  4.40 haydock
£20 double  Walsall 10/11 & Hindon Road sp @ 305 N/A

The Allday Acca (hopefully)
£40 Walsall 10/11   both to score Norwich vs Everton 5/6 & US Masters S M Bae to beat K Chappel in their 2ball today at 4/5

Finally both to score  Norwich vs Everton and Derby vs Ipswich for £30 plus a £20 acca of those two plus matches involving West Brom, Preston, Cagliari & Wolfsburg.

Thats ur lot  returns and we go to the dogs, no returns were fed to them and play the satty instead :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 07, 2012, 02:11:23 PM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.

The break was fantastic thank mate, think I stayed in Hong Kong a few days to much though so next time I will be visiting other places such as Thailand etc.

As Gramps said, the flight out was bad, had the nut worse seat but was heaven on the way back so no complaints there.

Don't want to de-rail your thread so I have a question for you Gramps and will post it on your thread as it is about planes and not degen related stuff ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.

The break was fantastic thank mate, think I stayed in Hong Kong a few days to much though so next time I will be visiting other places such as Thailand etc.

As Gramps said, the flight out was bad, had the nut worse seat but was heaven on the way back so no complaints there.

Don't want to de-rail your thread so I have a question for you Gramps and will post it on your thread as it is about planes and not degen related stuff ;)
Oh yes my 3 readers will not be happy for any plane or concrete talk on here ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sm00035 on April 07, 2012, 03:22:19 PM
Gl tomorrow


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 03:58:36 PM
Gl tomorrow
Thx hero :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2012, 04:07:31 PM
Added another 15 ew  incentivise at 11/1 4.40 haydock as looks like you really need to stay.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on April 07, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
Added another 15 ew  incentivise at 11/1 4.40 haydock as looks like you really need to stay.

Go Bradley!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 07, 2012, 04:23:09 PM
Ok I'm in for Incentivise gl us and do a win tomorrow pls m8!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on April 07, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
great to see ya yesterday, not been to dtd for ages but enjoyed it, do u want me to stand close on Sunday??? ship the lot.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 08, 2012, 09:21:01 AM
We won the allday acca for a £252 return and have a secret goals sweat on that I wont bok by posting now but Tighty is aware and funking for it today.

Last night was chilled and went to Nottingham dogs with R8APK and once we got there having got stuck in the footie traffic were in for the 4th race and I waa determined just to have 10/20 on a combo tricast every few races.

First race we do  field x field x trap1  = 20bets @£1  oioioioioioi we scoop a £140 return before my burger and chips are done and this lasts till the 3rd last race when were now £80 down. So 2 races to go and I decide no bet till the last "the get out stakes".

As the bookies price up trap3 is too short in the betting but has pace trap2 the only other early pacer is 5/2 in the market without trap 3 so we avail ourself of 40 @5/2 and trap 1&5 are the finishers so have a field 1-5 and field 5-1    4bets each at £2.50 so were gonna lose 140 or win a little.

Trap3 cracks out but runs off at the first bend with 2 sneaking up the inside, a bit of trouble round the third and it's 2-1-3 with 5 running on and 3 fades off the last so we scoop the £140 and the tricast which was a dissapointing £70 (obv we hav this 2.5x) which was down to the fact most peeps had gone home or could have been a 500 return.

So we end up winning £182.50 and retire to be dreaming of winning the deepstack today ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on April 08, 2012, 09:35:53 AM
 ;goodluck; today pal


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on April 08, 2012, 10:01:15 AM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.

The break was fantastic thank mate, think I stayed in Hong Kong a few days to much though so next time I will be visiting other places such as Thailand etc.

As Gramps said, the flight out was bad, had the nut worse seat but was heaven on the way back so no complaints there.

Don't want to de-rail your thread so I have a question for you Gramps and will post it on your thread as it is about planes and not degen related stuff ;)
Oh yes my 3 readers will not be happy for any plane or concrete talk on here ;)

They would LOVE it.

Good luck today, RB, win me lots of  money please.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 08, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.

The break was fantastic thank mate, think I stayed in Hong Kong a few days to much though so next time I will be visiting other places such as Thailand etc.

As Gramps said, the flight out was bad, had the nut worse seat but was heaven on the way back so no complaints there.

Don't want to de-rail your thread so I have a question for you Gramps and will post it on your thread as it is about planes and not degen related stuff ;)
Oh yes my 3 readers will not be happy for any plane or concrete talk on here ;)

They would LOVE it.

Good luck today, RB, win me lots of  money please.

VBOL mate  :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on April 08, 2012, 01:15:48 PM
;goodluck; today pal


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 08, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
Good first 2 levels and were upto 185k without much showdown but some interesting spots ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on April 08, 2012, 01:47:11 PM
Good first 2 levels and were upto 185k without much showdown but some interesting spots ;)

I can better that......

"....Upto 280k after we find dem aces in the BB and min raise a nice lady who re-raises my cbet all in on a 236dd flop and we hold vs 88....." 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 08, 2012, 01:59:47 PM
Good first 2 levels and were upto 185k without much showdown but some interesting spots ;)

I can better that......

"....Upto 280k after we find dem aces in the BB and min raise a nice lady who re-raises my cbet all in on a 236dd flop and we hold vs 88....." 
I can do better than that  "upto 380 after raising JJ in the co  Bulletpete flats the SB Frankie Jams the BB and we call it off and will be back to average if we lose but we bink a J on the river which beats Frankies 2p otf with AK"   
This was on the bubble so were now ITM


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on April 08, 2012, 02:12:05 PM

I love you even more......


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 08, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
Oioi gogogo!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on April 08, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
gogogogogogoooooo eso mfckin kral xx


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: PeeJay on April 08, 2012, 05:02:12 PM
Please continue crushing the mushrooms! Thanks


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 08, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
Please continue crushing the mushrooms! Thanks
Wiiii Bieber itt ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 10, 2012, 01:10:27 PM
Hi mate, can't post in the staking thread!

Nice tourney report and wp on the cash.

As tikay said on your thread, I am happy to go with whatever you decide with regards to the side event!

glglglgl


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
Hi mate, can't post in the staking thread!

Nice tourney report and wp on the cash.

As tikay said on your thread, I am happy to go with whatever you decide with regards to the side event!

glglglgl
Thx Dylan


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dewi_cool on April 19, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
Sirius Prospect running today, any news Mr AK?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 19, 2012, 03:45:06 PM
Sirius Prospect running today, any news Mr AK?

We did our dough :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on April 19, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
Sirius Prospect running today, any news Mr AK?

We did our dough :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on April 19, 2012, 03:47:00 PM


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dewi_cool on April 19, 2012, 03:47:07 PM


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on April 20, 2012, 10:53:56 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 20, 2012, 10:58:41 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on April 20, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!

Don't  bother mate, "busto" is a waste or your time writing it and our time reading it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on April 20, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!

It's a date x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on April 21, 2012, 07:37:30 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!

It's a date x


Apologies Richard Blacklock, I have managed to obtain a ticket for Celtic v Rangers on Sunday. Can't miss as its gonna be the last one ever :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 21, 2012, 07:49:22 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!

Run better Eso :D

It's a date x


Apologies Richard Blacklock, I have managed to obtain a ticket for Celtic v Rangers on Sunday. Can't miss as its gonna be the last one ever :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 21, 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Ever coming back to Luton, or you just playing big comps now and chauffeuring the games greats around now?
Haha  nice bump!!

I can buy you dinner next friday if you like en-route up to DTD for Day2 of the Grand prix ;) in the likely event of not making it I shall mostly be playing the superstack event at Star City!!

Obv for the 3 readers of my diary I shall update later on!

It's a date x


Apologies Richard Blacklock, I have managed to obtain a ticket for Celtic v Rangers on Sunday. Can't miss as its gonna be the last one ever :)
I thought our date was for Friday night?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on April 21, 2012, 10:20:38 AM
I'm travelling up Thursday night/Friday morning.

Available before if you are.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 21, 2012, 01:17:48 PM
Sirius Prospect running today, any news Mr AK?
Sorry Dewi I didnt see this until after it had run but had a few quid (£70) on and also ante post for Duke of York Stakes at 12/1 pre-race for the 16th May.
Despite the race not panning out well for Sirius it only drifted 4pts to 16/1.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 21, 2012, 01:19:07 PM
I'm travelling up Thursday night/Friday morning.

Available before if you are.
No can do big man so lets do Friday 4th if good with you?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Beaver808 on April 21, 2012, 03:12:43 PM
Nice work yesterday mate, enjoy your day off  :)up
Thx Dylan, how was ur break away?

He had a tilting flight to Hong Kong, but he sat in the aisle on the return flight, & it was fine.

The break was fantastic thank mate, think I stayed in Hong Kong a few days to much though so next time I will be visiting other places such as Thailand etc.

As Gramps said, the flight out was bad, had the nut worse seat but was heaven on the way back so no complaints there.

Don't want to de-rail your thread so I have a question for you Gramps and will post it on your thread as it is about planes and not degen related stuff ;)
Oh yes my 3 readers will not be happy for any plane or concrete talk on here ;)

4 readers, Im surrounded by screaming kids at play centre so the diaries on here are helping to numb the pain of screeching little ones...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on April 26, 2012, 03:53:04 PM
So, I go to the bookies for my usual mid afternoon lunch break...

Fill out my slips: 1 for 3 draws on the footy and 1 for the 2.30 at Perth, £20 win on Railway Dillon (used to drink in the railway and my uncle's fav singer is Bob Dylan..) Get to the till to be told "No sorry sir, the tills are down and we are not accepting any bets at the moment" Oh gtfo..

I then stand there slip in hand, staring up at the screen as Dillon trots over the line. I'm convinced the horse turned to me and winked as he crossed the finish.. I mumble to myself about how I am actually cursed and destined to run like this forever.

I put the aforementioned £20 along with its twin sister in the roulette machine striving for redemption! I don't bother sitting as this is guranteed runbad, I have 1 spin.... brick, i hit repeat spin and would you believe it...!!! I brick again..

Head down with sausage roll crumbs on my jumper, I walk back to the office. My phone goes off, it is a text from the man they call the Kral. He tells me how he is playing the GP today. We exchange some pleasantries and then i ask him if he fancies anything today, he tells me he is on a horse called Papamoa 8/1 in the 3pm at Perth. The time is 1455, I frantically login to Betfair and place £20 on the nose and £20 on the place, could this be it?... Oioiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii WE HAVE A WINNER. BIG MACS ALL ROUND.

Cobwebs have been dusted! #<3TheKral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 27, 2012, 03:16:29 PM
Regarding the staking thread - do as you see fit on the Saturday night mate, happy either way!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on April 27, 2012, 03:19:43 PM
Regarding the staking thread - do as you see fit on the Saturday night mate, happy either way!
Thx Dylan, only 161 posts to go  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on April 27, 2012, 03:32:38 PM
Regarding the staking thread - do as you see fit on the Saturday night mate, happy either way!
Thx Dylan, only 161 posts to go  ;)

lol! Get posting more degen stories then so that I can comment and then my post count will go up and I can do a "tikay" and flutter my money away on more staking threads :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on April 28, 2012, 01:41:12 AM
Not much love for this thread lately..haven't put one up for a while so here we go for one mental acca....

1    Over 2.5    Yeovil v Chesterfield
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.66    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Sheff Utd v Stevenage
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.85    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Stalybridge v Hinckley Utd
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.53    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Airdrie Utd v East Fife
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.60    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Elgin v Montrose
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.57    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Stranraer v Queens Park
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.57    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Donegal Celtic v Carrick Rangers
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.50    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Lisburn Distillery v Ballymena Utd
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.60    To Run
9    Over 2.5    Northampton v Gillingham
(Total Goals)    28/04/2012    None    1.90    To Run


£20 to win £1600........


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 28, 2012, 02:02:49 AM
Where can I get on Dr. Morris?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on April 28, 2012, 12:54:37 PM
Where can I get on Dr. Morris?

Bet 365 is ur friend/enemy


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on April 28, 2012, 02:46:30 PM
Where can I get on Dr. Morris?

Bet 365 is ur friend/enemy

Cheers

On and here we gooooooooooo!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on May 04, 2012, 02:32:25 PM
Bump !

and to say we went 7/9 on the banzaii acca missing the other 2 by a goal a piece.... seemingly so close yet obv so very far..fortunatly had a nice 5 fold within it that made the day nice..

So... where is our  leader


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 04, 2012, 02:44:59 PM
Bump !

and to say we went 7/9 on the banzaii acca missing the other 2 by a goal a piece.... seemingly so close yet obv so very far..fortunatly had a nice 5 fold within it that made the day nice..

So... where is our  leader
Here but too busy to update till next week

This week my bankers are

Both teams to score
Port Vale vs Oxford
N.County vs Colchester
Exeter vs Sheff Utd
Paying a tad over 7/2 with Coral
What does the computer say this weekend?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on May 04, 2012, 02:51:50 PM
haven't checked with the computer that never says no... too busy crushing NBA...heh heh heh heh and backing certainty's in dodgy europeon leagues...that lose hmmmm...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
LET'S GET THIS BACK ON TRACK!!

Well it has been a long time since I have had the time to fully update this but hopefully I can catchup over the next few days.

There are a number of reasons why I have not been able to update fully and just post in snippets, they are

1) Due to the fact I put up a staking thread which entailed 4/5 weekends up at Nottingham I felt it unfair to be browsing/posting whilst at home spending time with Petra.
2) Work when there was uber busy and again having been away to return to 2 pages of unread posts I decided to catch up on others news neglecting mine.
3) I was having a downswong on the sports, nothing too heavy but enough for the degen in me to realise the reasons why I reigned in my puntering.

So the last time I was updating we had been to Slovakia for Max's first birthday and here is the wee man

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7685/maxbirthday.jpg[/img]](http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7685/maxbirthday.jpg) (http://[IMG)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9310/birthday2d.jpg[/img]](http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9310/birthday2d.jpg) (http://[IMG)




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:02:40 PM
Whilst in Slovakia I took a couple of photos of stuff that is so common over there

The first picture is of Pappuci (slippers) which is such a common sight in nearly every house you go into where they have these slippers lined up and once you enter the home you take off your shoes and put on a pair of said slippers!

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3574/pappuci.jpg[/img]](http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3574/pappuci.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=400)

This next picture is of a typical Slovak house but due to the lack of money around in the country many houses are unfinished with all the rendering needing doing.
This house has been left like this for a number of years and normally over the winter months where temperatures go as low as -15 the owners would burn the fence to keep some heat in, this year they had enough ££ as depsite there still being snow in the village the fence remained!!

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8439/housefk.jpg[/img]](http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8439/housefk.jpg) (http://[IMG)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 10, 2012, 01:03:14 PM
Welcome back, thought this had been deleted!

Some double chins going on in top one fella. Max is proper lucky he looks nothing like you! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

I rock the slippers in my crib also.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:05:40 PM
Welcome back, thought this had been deleted!

Some double chins going on in top one fella. Max is proper lucky he looks nothing like you! wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

I rock the slippers in my crib also.
Haha I have a good role model for those shots
<3Milligan


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on May 10, 2012, 01:05:53 PM
Good to have you back mate.

Max is looking good thankfully takes after his mom.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:16:06 PM
After returning from Slovakia I played all my 50/50 staked events and here is a link to the summary of tourneys

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.45 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.45)

All the stakers have agreed to give it another spin for June so we live to fight again with £1556 in entries to play with and most likely to lay the £500 DTD deepie and if bust that one/both of the WSOP satty's and another £150ish tourney somewhere along the line.

For the WSOP event I am most likely to be wearing some kind of fancy dress outfit that is vegas related as I lost a prop to Cos in the Movember thread so will pay my dues at this event!!

Any ideas on what to wear??


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on May 10, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
After returning from Slovakia I played all my 50/50 staked events and here is a link to the summary of tourneys

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.45 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=57125.45)

All the stakers have agreed to give it another spin for June so we live to fight again with £1556 in entries to play with and most likely to lay the £500 DTD deepie and if bust that one/both of the WSOP satty's and another £150ish tourney somewhere along the line.

For the WSOP event I am most likely to be wearing some kind of fancy dress outfit that is vegas related as I lost a prop to Cos in the Movember thread so will pay my dues at this event!!

Any ideas on what to wear??

ufc fighter? wwe wrestler?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on May 10, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
Dress to look like cos


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:34:58 PM
MAX'S FIRST STEPS

Well this was mid April and his first few steps although he has now moved on from this a bit

http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k (http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:35:23 PM
Dress to look like cos
Winner so far!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on May 10, 2012, 01:36:40 PM
MAX'S FIRST STEPS

Well this was mid April and his first few steps although he has now moved on from this a bit

http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k (http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k)

awesome dude.

do words come before steps? how do these this go along the baby line?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
why you asking anyone for suggestions?

I've already chosen....

(http://www.daydreamersfancydress.co.uk/acatalog/bigcockcostume.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:43:16 PM
This is the little man taken a few days ago by Petra and is being added to her portfolio as she has now started her own little business photographing Newborns from home or clients location and is a real passion of hers!

I will post a link itt for people to have a look at.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/17/maxoc.jpg[/img]](http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/17/maxoc.jpg) (http://[IMG)

In before "he is taller than me now"

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4974/max2md.jpg[/img]](http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4974/max2md.jpg) (http://[IMG)





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 01:44:03 PM
why you asking anyone for suggestions?

I've already chosen....

(http://www.daydreamersfancydress.co.uk/acatalog/bigcockcostume.jpg)
Lool  Outragous/Guy was the winner after all then  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: GreekStein on May 10, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
why you asking anyone for suggestions?

I've already chosen....

(http://www.daydreamersfancydress.co.uk/acatalog/bigcockcostume.jpg)
Lool  Guy was the winner after all then  ;)

LOOOOL good one but i will have the last laugh!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on May 10, 2012, 01:50:04 PM
MAX'S FIRST STEPS

Well this was mid April and his first few steps although he has now moved on from this a bit

http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k (http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k)

Happy days, he's already steadier on his feet than I am :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 10, 2012, 02:10:15 PM
So, last week Eso asks for my address, I just assume he is going to set up a few direct debits in my name or sign me up to loads of junk mail or something, so I oblige.

I am then asked if i have checked my post as he has sent me a 'present'. As I am in the office all day I am slightly worried as the missus will be opening my letters and there could be anything in there knowing him.

I get a call just now, my missus... " Dave, there is something here for you from Eso " ...*gulp"ok........" "it's a Limited edition programme from the FA Cup final" I'm not sure if this is just a level as Liverpool lost, but anyways, wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii #LoveEso

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/FromEso.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/Cover1.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/Certificate-1.jpg)

#willbeworthafortunetosomemugonebay1day


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on May 10, 2012, 02:13:19 PM
Eso such a boss.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on May 10, 2012, 02:16:39 PM
So, last week Eso asks for my address, I just assume he is going to set up a few direct debits in my name or sign me up to loads of junk mail or something, so I oblige.

I am then asked if i have checked my post as he has sent me a 'present'. As I am in the office all day I am slightly worried as the missus will be opening my letters and there could be anything in there knowing him.

I get a call just now, my missus... " Dave, there is something here for you from Eso " ...*gulp"ok........" "it's a Limited edition programme from the FA Cup final" I'm not sure if this is just a level as Liverpool lost, but anyways, wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii #LoveEso

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/FromEso.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/Cover1.jpg)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/Certificate-1.jpg)

#willbeworthafortunetosomemugonebay1day
Nice touch :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on May 10, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
You got his autograph, that'll be worth something.

When Rich got knocked out of the deepstack last weekend, everyone at the table wanted to shake his hand when he left.  I haven't washed mine since.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
TYTY
Yeah I had the privilege of attending the FA Cup final last Saturday with a friend and poker player from down south who has 2 Bobby Moore Wembley Tickets which must cost £5-6k per year and for that you get all the England Wembley games, FA Cup semi's and final and the Rugby League match at Wembley plus first dibs on other stuff.

It was the biggest match I have been to and upon arrival we are sat down at his table and enjoy a really good meal with champagne and wine and they give you a bound programme of which there are 2000 and then we are sat right on the half way line directly underneath the Royal Box and about 10 rows behind the dugouts.

Obv I punted off £150 on chelsea winning 1-0 or 2-0 and then proceed to lose all the flips between us on Goal before 25min, First team to get a card, Last team to win a corner and its GG £300 sigh, but at half time you go back to your table in the restaurant and they have these mini pukka pies along with drinks and again at the end of the match drinks whilst waiting for the crowds to disperse.

I then noticed all these guys milling around tables looking for peoples left programmes and there is obv a market for this but had picked up 2 that people had left under their seats when leaving along with numerous flags that were given to some heros at DTD this weekend with the programmes going to Tighty for all his hard work and one to Milligan as he is a mad Chelsea fan from recollection.

Have some good videos of the trophy presentation so will post them later but these were our seats!!

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/801/wembley.jpg[/img]](http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/801/wembley.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 02:32:26 PM
You got his autograph, that'll be worth something.

When Rich got knocked out of the deepstack last weekend, everyone at the table wanted to shake his hand when he left.  I haven't washed mine since.
That was funny, it was like everyone was gutted I got Ko'd!

Except you ofc as it meant you might win a few pots  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Graham C on May 10, 2012, 02:33:21 PM
Wow, nice seats!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 10, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Tighty got a progamme as well!?? #bin

Sick seats btw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
MAX'S FIRST STEPS

Well this was mid April and his first few steps although he has now moved on from this a bit

http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k (http://youtu.be/aQ0U0-5IR1k)

Happy days, he's already steadier on his feet than I am :D

Big thx for the winner y/day but never been so gutted tbh.
At DTD Monday after a winner on the second half corners in the Man Utd match I lumped on the profit and stake onto someone elses tip and it was GG then despite not feeling great sat down in the £150 at DTD bluffed off my first entry with 10high and no equity and then got blinded away in a series of raise re-raise spots and a run of cards that could make 2 different straghts and flushes and therefore missed the 25/1  that I was going to pre Black Monday have £100e/w on.

Tuesday comes and we see it is now 16/1 and cant get out as after 4 days out of the office its manic so wait till Weds where the best price is now 14/1 with B/fred and by 9.30 this is 12/1 so having halved in price I stick £40 win as I decide I have now missed the value therefore imo I back it big and it will finish 2/3/4th and it will be FML on the place money or I back it e/w and it runs nowhere and I have then done double the dough on half the price!
So happy and prepared to lose £40 and then I watch a brilliant ride by Mr Crowley and there was only one winner off the last   SIGH


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 02:47:27 PM
Wow, nice seats!
Yeah last yr he took me to the Charity Shield match in the "Club Wembley" section which was good but they offered a cheap upgrade as they want to make it look like they have sold out the Bobby Moore section so he snap took them up on it!

The vids I took on the phone will show you how good the seats are as the players come past you on the way down with the trophy, or not in Liverpools case!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 10, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
Tighty got a progamme as well!?? #bin

Sick seats btw
Half glass/Full glass

There are only 1997 others that you dont know of!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on May 10, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
You got his autograph, that'll be worth something.

When Rich got knocked out of the deepstack last weekend, everyone at the table wanted to shake his hand when he left.  I haven't washed mine since.
That was funny, it was like everyone was gutted I got Ko'd!

Except you ofc as it meant you might win a few pots  ;)

[ ] I did.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on May 10, 2012, 03:24:24 PM
Big thx for the winner y/day but never been so gutted tbh.
At DTD Monday after a winner on the second half corners in the Man Utd match I lumped on the profit and stake onto someone elses tip and it was GG then despite not feeling great sat down in the £150 at DTD bluffed off my first entry with 10high and no equity and then got blinded away in a series of raise re-raise spots and a run of cards that could make 2 different straghts and flushes and therefore missed the 25/1  that I was going to pre Black Monday have £100e/w on.

Tuesday comes and we see it is now 16/1 and cant get out as after 4 days out of the office its manic so wait till Weds where the best price is now 14/1 with B/fred and by 9.30 this is 12/1 so having halved in price I stick £40 win as I decide I have now missed the value therefore imo I back it big and it will finish 2/3/4th and it will be FML on the place money or I back it e/w and it runs nowhere and I have then done double the dough on half the price!
So happy and prepared to lose £40 and then I watch a brilliant ride by Mr Crowley and there was only one winner off the last   SIGH

Seems ridiculous, but I know what you mean, a bloke I work with backed it but not until yesterday morning. I told him over skype while we were working and he got distracted after opening up to put it on. I should have put it up, but when he said that it had moved yards only a couple weeks previously and that might scupper it I decided to not say anything to be safe :(

A guy on our forum blindly backs Crowley on anything no matter the race/price and he gets ribbed mercilessly for it. I said after that race maybe he's onto something as that looked like one of the slickest rides I can remember and it was like he had the whole race planned from the off!!

You know it's bad when you're sighing at winning a monkey :D



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 11, 2012, 09:57:02 AM
Just for Milligan

Here are the winners losers from Saturday, they start to appear at 1min 22

http://youtu.be/MBE_Ks6a6bM (http://youtu.be/MBE_Ks6a6bM)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 11, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
And for Cos the winners

Nice bit of Eso camera work from 1min on imo

http://youtu.be/xOe1C16Dp54 (http://youtu.be/xOe1C16Dp54)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 11, 2012, 10:01:26 AM
Winners walk, loving the bit where the pink shirted Liverpool fan puts his scarf on Merilies

http://youtu.be/Y5Wr41GIvdM (http://youtu.be/Y5Wr41GIvdM)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 12, 2012, 08:36:56 AM
Is the overs algorithm busto?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2012, 09:05:53 AM
Is the overs algorithm busto?
I think he is keeping it to himself these days!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 12, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
Is the overs algorithm busto?
I think he is keeping it to himself these days!!


tbf, that can only same me money!  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on May 12, 2012, 01:51:27 PM
Nice to see this thread back up and running :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
Nice to see this thread back up and running :)
Thx Dylan

Now all we need are some big winners, small losers   rinse repeat a few times

Starting with Certal in the 2.50 Ascot  E/W  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 12, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
Went to BnQ this morning as had a load of DIY type stuff to do, missus says to me, "is that Pine", i say no "it's Timber" she says "what tree is that from then?.." FML I am thick. So it appears Timber isn't an actual type of wood? meh, i'm still confused.

My main reason for posting this morning, reading my programme and what do I see written on the sender's address. Nice initials Sir.

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/ESO.jpg)

Oh, obv on Cetral. GL us.

#<3EsoMfkinKral



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on May 12, 2012, 02:50:59 PM
Just posting to say I do read the diary all the time and enjoy it a lot.

Plan for next 5 years?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2012, 02:52:29 PM
There's the small loser!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
Just posting to say I do read the diary all the time and enjoy it a lot.

Plan for next 5 years?
Thanks BITB

In a mutual show of <3 I also read your diary everyday and everyone of your PHA posts!!

Hmmmm next 5 years, well on a personal level we would love to have at least 2 more "dustbin lids" flying around the house!!

Workwise is more difficult as I am very pigeon holed in terms of I earn decent money doing what I do and dont need to devote all my time to do it, hence the time able to browse on here etc whilst still negging deals but I have a small business idea we would like to start whilst also pushing/developing Petra's budding Photography of newborns/families/pets from home/location but that is where the gamble is!!
Obv not being a gambly type person  :P the circumstances have to be right to enable me to give that a go.

Poker I think my level of thinking has developed loads over the past year due to here/you/talking to better players etc etc but ultimately it is and only ever will be able to be a hobby I can nick a few quid at occasionally due to age  ;)/commitments in terms of family/our property portfolio etc.
However as I said to you at the end of last year the first 1/2 this yr was likely to be manic and was and I have played no volume of anything but the light is towards the end of the tunnel and I can see myself griniding some hands online in spare time to enable hopefully the chance to freeroll into the events I would like to play regularly if that makes sense?

Eg last night Petra was out so I fired up 2 tables of ss 6m cash and played winning 2bi's in just over 1 hour just value betting well and flopping quads twice which helps  ;) and would like to grind this way for a while as never used a HUD or HEM just feel/game flow so want to step up from there.

Good Q BITB   how about you?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on May 13, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
Thanks for dinner last week, as promised. Was good to see you.

Twat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on May 15, 2012, 10:29:44 AM
I would like to state for the record Celtic bought Gav and I lunch the other day.. I can only report it now as I have been being treated for shock since


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2012, 11:49:32 AM
Petra photographed my colleague Laura who has recently given birth to Amelia over the weekend and here are her shots!!

These were done at our place and Amelia who was born 6weeks early is now 3 weeks old so -3 weeks in reality.

This is where I see Petra's future lying as she has a real talent and patience to get the best out of the shoots.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/528/laurakw.jpg[/img]](http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/528/laurakw.jpg) (http://[img width=423 height=600)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5443/laura2.jpg[/img]](http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5443/laura2.jpg) (http://[img width=423 height=600)





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
Thanks for dinner last week, as promised. Was good to see you.

Twat.
Sorry mate was in Glasgow for the last ever Derby match!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
I would like to state for the record Celtic bought Gav and I lunch the other day.. I can only report it now as I have been being treated for shock since
Defo gonna after the 1st year anniversary of this diary before he buys you Lunch/Dinner next me thinks  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2012, 12:06:28 PM
The weekend was pretty rubbish tbh as I had a £80 double on a horse given to me at Chester last week and stuck it with Charlotte and Johnathon to win BGT @ Evs and after the horse had won at 9/2 was funking for the big fella to sing his little socks off which he did but unfortunately the British public felt it better to award £500k to a dancing dog!!

To make matters worse at 9.59pm literally 5 mins after the result Milligan rubs me down with a text saying "I told you the fat opera guy would not win"   Sighballs <3Milligan tho!

Then Sunday we backed Grosjean @ 6/4 to be on the podium in the spanish grand prix and Di-resta to be in the top 10  GG £100
Along with a £50 speculative punt on both teams to score and over 2.5goals in the premier league matches and needed one more match to have something in but it never came!!

Today I am backing 3 things
5.00 Beverley  Ma Kellys  E/w
9.45 Wimbledon   Romeo Patrol  T6  on at 6/4

and my own fancy as it was a blonde winner on Tikay's thread the other night and although looking a short runner cant see anything else leading and T5 could interfere with T6 who is a strong dog and if this happens IMHO 3/1 is mahoosive for
Coolavanny Bert in the 8.50 @ Wimbledon


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on May 16, 2012, 10:31:35 AM
Nice tipping with Bert, he really seems to be trapping consistently but Saturday will be the real test for many as that third run in eight days always exposes a few.

Any thoughts on SP who hasn't looked a shadow of last season's horse in his first two runs?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on May 16, 2012, 10:39:39 AM
With the uk season over alogodooberymathingy is having a spring clean.. gonna have a look at some other major leagues that are getting into stride..MLS..J league etc.... gonna stay away from dodgy greeks and loopy eastern europeons.. :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2012, 11:06:05 AM
Nice tipping with Bert, he really seems to be trapping consistently but Saturday will be the real test for many as that third run in eight days always exposes a few.

Any thoughts on SP who hasn't looked a shadow of last season's horse in his first two runs?
Cheers Ralph it meant a winning day despite the 2 losers but the second dog winning would have been nice.

SP well my old contact has left the yard now and does not really speak to them so it is a bit of guess work with him.
I backed him before his last run for specifically this race at 12/1 and he ran tez for the second time this yr but was never bigger than 20/1 and then was nibbled in over the past 2 weeks.
I have backed him over the past 3 weeks e/w  at a variety of odds everytime I had a little pick up and added it all up today and I have just over £200 e/w on at an average of just under 15/1, but dont read too much into that.

Obv I hope he runs well and he has had a months break which is how his run started last year so lets see.
I would rather be on at 12/1 than Mayson at the odds though.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on May 16, 2012, 03:11:08 PM
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh, really wanted to post this if we binked. Posting anyway.

geeeeeeeeeg punting, unless i get a random bink from somewhere then I am back in the game.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on May 17, 2012, 08:20:31 AM
Thanks for dinner last week, as promised. Was good to see you.

Twat.
Sorry mate was in Glasgow for the last ever Derby match!!

too sharp son.

Meeting Alex Martin tomorrow for pre comp dinner. You're not invited x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 26, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
Been busy at work and had the outlaws here for the past week from Slovakia so not been around much.

Backed 2 horses today first one i really really like
Seamus Shindig each way in the 500 goodwood &
Bint Alzain in the 855 newbury e/w

am on at 10/1 & 16/1 respectively  ew singles and the ew double

oh and come on the russian grannies on eurovision tonight think the draw as advertised has killed my win bet but sing ur hearts out girls!!

Just on train to london to play the £165 superstack event even though its an amazing day out there today and the Southend Airshow is on, if we dont make day2 then we will burn in the sun tomoz instead.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on May 26, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Gl at the pokerz today dude


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on May 27, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Came across an app that might be useful in your line of work, Magic Plan.

Basically measures and maps floor plans, really simple to use.

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/ppokerfan/ffa70913.jpg)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
Been busy at work and had the outlaws here for the past week from Slovakia so not been around much.

Backed 2 horses today first one i really really like
Seamus Shindig each way in the 500 goodwood &
Bint Alzain in the 855 newbury e/w

am on at 10/1 & 16/1 respectively  ew singles and the ew double

oh and come on the russian grannies on eurovision tonight think the draw as advertised has killed my win bet but sing ur hearts out girls!!

Just on train to london to play the £165 superstack event even though its an amazing day out there today and the Southend Airshow is on, if we dont make day2 then we will burn in the sun tomoz instead.
Bricked everything!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2012, 11:29:15 AM
Gl at the pokerz today dude
Cheers Dylan, it didnt go too well but TR in thread.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2012, 11:30:33 AM
Came across an app that might be useful in your line of work, Magic Plan.

Basically measures and maps floor plans, really simple to use.

(http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq267/ppokerfan/ffa70913.jpg)


Thanks Fan, we actually have a surveyor who carries out our EPC's and also does a floor plan as part of the service for our vendors but thanks for the thought.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2012, 12:33:08 PM
BRUTAL MONTH ALL ROUND!!

Medic required in all areas this month!

At the start of the month I told the owner of our firm I felt that this would be my toughest month of the year so far as I could not see where our next 10 sales were coming from and if you would have told me we would currently be sat on 12 sales with another couple we are negging I would have snapped your hand off.  Alas where you sell well you tend to have deals that go south also and we have currently sold £50'000 in fees but abborted £30'000 in fees for an overall nett of £20k and out of the £30k in lost deals £18k should have gone through this month and all are not selling so it's a double whammy that actually hits you in the pocket.

We have lost deals because of somebodys ME getting worse due to the stress of the move, a vendor who is selling a house worth £550k that is leasehold and with a group of freeholders with a really bad rep who own an estate if you wish to extend or do any major work you have to get permission and due to the constant bad press they offered an amnesty for £300 last year to all vendors, my vendors having done a kitchen extension with planning permission but not freeholder permission 7 yrs ago didnt take up the amnesty and due to time pressures the buyers pulled out and the vendors are now getting retrospective permission with it costing them £5k.  I also lost deals where a vendor wouldnt move out and vacate having committed to at the outset and after a threat from the buyers to pull out stood her ground and then after they pulled out tried to back down but it was too late  gg wp and 2 deals where having got the vendors good prices in the first week of marketing both decided they no longer wished to move!!   :(

On the poker front I have been grinding low stakes cash and nicking a lil bit and only played live once since the start of the month being the 888 event last weekend which in hindsight I think I was a bit spewy in my exit!

A big fella and his friend couldnt get me a leg up in BGT and some singing Russain grandma's also could not bring home the bacon in Eurovision along with a few bits of info where the prices shortened dramatically and if I just arbed and took the profit it would have been good but that's not me and I had only a few winners during the month, obv always the ones with a small amount of ££ on and the more faniced ones holding the bigger £££ blanking out.

I have also had a fairly big fall out with my brother over some of our property related business which is the worst beat of the month as we are pretty tied in this respect and it will make life difficult to get out quickly which is what he would like to do but due to tenants contracts will be a drawn out affair, I worried this could happen when we started off our portfolio but hopefully he will see sense!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on May 30, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
Chin up mate
Things can only get better!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
Chin up mate
Things can only get better!


Cheers mate

You around the weekend?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on May 30, 2012, 08:55:48 PM
Chin up mate
Things can only get better!


Cheers mate

You around the weekend?
No mate glgl


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tonytats on May 31, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
Never mix business with family n friends ,here endeth the first lesson


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2012, 09:07:11 AM
Never mix business with family n friends ,here endeth the first lesson
Yeah I know but unfortunately or fortunately when we decided to go into the properties together I was potless and creditless and now I am potless and creditless but with a few properties none of which are in my name  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on June 02, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Sigh that you have to work this weekend :(

Roll the stake on for me, happy with any package you sort mate!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on June 12, 2012, 03:21:39 PM
Just caught up with this pal, not been on here much lately for different reasons..  ;carlocitrone;

Well done on the Bink at the weekend  ;kneelsucker;



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 12, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
Just caught up with this pal, not been on here much lately for different reasons..  ;carlocitrone;

Well done on the Bink at the weekend  ;kneelsucker;


Cheers buddy gonna catch up on here probs tonight!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on June 13, 2012, 10:06:03 AM
I came accross this photo on FB yesterday and thought it was you, is it? :)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1945360/Photo%2012-06-2012%2019%2048%2003.jpg)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 13, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
I came accross this photo on FB yesterday and thought it was you, is it? :)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1945360/Photo%2012-06-2012%2019%2048%2003.jpg)
Lol. Great find.

Has to be said Richard that IMO you are giving Thewy and Nick Hicks a run for their money these days.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on June 13, 2012, 11:38:31 AM
I came accross this photo on FB yesterday and thought it was you, is it? :)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1945360/Photo%2012-06-2012%2019%2048%2003.jpg)
Lol. Great find.

Has to be said Richard that IMO you are giving Thewy and Nick Hicks a run for their money these days.

It cant be true Jase he's an estate agent. lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 13, 2012, 01:21:29 PM
I came accross this photo on FB yesterday and thought it was you, is it? :)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1945360/Photo%2012-06-2012%2019%2048%2003.jpg)
Lololol very good AP
Alas it is not me but I do seem to have a few lookalikies as pointed out on here.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 13, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
I came accross this photo on FB yesterday and thought it was you, is it? :)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1945360/Photo%2012-06-2012%2019%2048%2003.jpg)
Lol. Great find.

Has to be said Richard that IMO you are giving Thewy and Nick Hicks a run for their money these days.
Thx for the compliment Herbs but I am just lil ol me really and try to treat everyone as I would like to be treated myself in and out of work.

Was great to see you and Mrs H together at the weekend!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 13, 2012, 01:51:19 PM
Well for those that don't know this and for Max's benefit incase he ever read it this weekend just gone I won approximately this...

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5374/carkb.jpg[/img]](http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5374/carkb.jpg) (http://[IMG)

unfortunately/fortunately whichever way you look at it only this much was mine...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6338/mybit.jpg[/img]](http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6338/mybit.jpg) (http://[IMG)

and after Petra has taken however much she decides to take I will probs end up with an entry to the next one but it's all good really.

The weekend was great driving up late after work and late regging which is not something I normally do before playing pretty average on my first entry and then 5betting QKhh and having to sigh it off getting over 5/1 and binking the river to give me a nice playable stack and from then on I chipped up really well by putting pressure on people and being aggro in good spots.

Then on the Saturday it was the blonde bash and despite only 5 hours sleep made it for the breakfast and got on the beers with Milligan/Little Miss C and the Herberts amongst others and we playign 2 games of bowling across the road with your's truly winning the first game and then as Millidonk had the hump bowled him to a decent score in the second before heading to DTD for the Bash tourney.

I was the lucky recipient of a golden chip meaning if I was one of the last 5 holding them irrespective of where we finished I would get to play Rob/Simon heads up for £1000 in tourney entries and after an early double through and owning Dan (his words) was in a healthy position with 8 chips left and about 25 players overall and then took out the unfotunate bubble boy of the GC's when I outdrew IgotSkills (top fella) when he was a touch short on chips and we locked up a match with Rob at a date to be confirmed.

I then virtual bubbled the event with 13 left losing a race to the eventual winner when my AKo could not outrun his 44 and jammed my last6 bigs with 68hh losing to Newportlads A10 but I can report the Peroni was good and we headed back to the hotel at about 1.30am for a good sleep in readiness for the Sunday..



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 13, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
Sunday was really good and I had a decent table draw and some passive players but played a pot with 3 left before the bubble where I basically 3b pre, 1/2 pot cbet the flop, 2/3 pot bet the turn when checked to again and after the villain who I had some history with donked the river small leaving me just enough wiggle room to jam on him with air, got it through which gave us a lot of confidence and also another 200k to play with.

I am honest enough to know that I got some great cards on day 2 and some unbelievable spots ie where utg raises pre, lady 3b's all in for 10bigs, sb jams all in for 13 bigs and we find "dem aces" and scoop vs AK and QK and also had the "Eso Spew" we got into a raising war with Dan Owston in late pos and ended up sighing it off with  Kc Tc vs his "Beltons"  Qd Qh and despite a dream turn didnt get there.  Then we chipped back up before losing 2 pots vs shorties to be short going into the last 9 players.

I never worry about having 20-25 bigs late on as once you get a double through you are always back in the game and after Jon played out a dream hand for him vs Tommy B and A.Tuxworth I really felt if I could get the double through we had a good shot on the live stream final.

This happened vs Glen and from that point with cards and without I think I played really good solid aggressive poker and was only playing FTW in fact if it had been anyone other than Jon in the last 2 then I would have played it out.

The hands I enjoyed the most were the  5d 6d hand otb vs Jon and also the flopped house vs him but it was a dream final for me and the money will really come in handy as the Chinese need paying  Petra is already working out the other bits of modernisation we can do in the house and top of her list currently is installing a downstairs wc under the stairs.

Whilst I was away she also booked for us to go to Malta in September as we are taking my Mum for her 60th birthday and we can catch up with all the relly's over there allof whom have not seen Max yet so it will be a nice break for all.

Thx for all the rails and text's over the weekend it means a lot and was pretty surreal driving home with a nice "Gregory" in your pocket and funnily you are never tired on the 2 1/2 hour drive home after a win as you are buzzing and playing hands over in your mind again, it was good to see the wee man as he woke up and despite being knackered was in the office at 8am and unlike Jon my chq was deposited at 9.30 when the bank opened!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: PeeJay on June 13, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
Congrats on the score


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 13, 2012, 04:19:26 PM
Congrats on the score
Cheers Bieb's  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on June 15, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
how much did you scoop? congrats as well.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 16, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
how much did you scoop? congrats as well.
Cheers Tom

I won £11'000 in the £150 @ DTD after an ICM chip count with fellow blonde and live updater Jon Gill and both binks were staked binks hence only half of it coming my way.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on June 16, 2012, 11:47:13 AM
how much did you scoop? congrats as well.
Cheers Tom

I won £11'000 in the £150 @ DTD after an ICM chip count with fellow blonde and live updater Jon Gill and both binks were staked binks hence only half of it coming my way.

nice work sir.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 16, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
Well I have had worse weeks!!

The housing market is still pretty tough and buyers definitely dont mind pulling out of a deal at the drop of a hat and buyer activity is lighter than you would expect so keeping the vendors updated is key to keeping them happy!!

Punting wise this week I have had 3 bets not inc today

I backed Portugal to beat Denmark and got lucky
then

After reading "tips for tikay" thread I backed a golfer in the US open @ 11/8 to win his 3 ball with the profits from bet 1 which returned £237.5
and then y/day

Stuck the whole lot on a double with N.Colsearts to win his 3ball in the US open and England DNB in the footie to return £890.63 which is all profit.

Lol today VC restrict me to £10 ew on a horse that Camel mentioned but let me put a couple of hundo on Russia which I fancy tonight.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/447/10599649.png[/img]](http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/447/10599649.png) (http://[img width=600 height=125)

I really like a horse running tomoz so will post here when I see prices!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 17, 2012, 11:00:28 AM
I am on 2 horses in a maiden today at donny but it is a speculative punt more than anything just on a race I watched last time

I fancy the outsider of the two more and am on

£66 ew  TWO PANCAKES @ 16/1

£49 ew OFF ART @ 12/1  in the 3.00 @ Donny both with VC

I watched their debut when I was given a horse called Tha'ir which scooted up at 6/1next time out and imo Two pancakes ran the better race in 3rd and although this is a better race am on at the prices.

Happy Fathers Day to all the pops out there!!

After i have finished my painting duties I shall be visiting my Dad's resting place to lay some flowers with Max and Petra.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 17, 2012, 11:14:06 AM
Giggling like Beavis n Butt head here. 2 nd tip reminds me of Hoof Hearted :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on June 18, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
Pm sent.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 18, 2012, 01:09:02 PM
Pm sent.



Replied to mate and please stop asking me out on date's and for staking as

A)  I am happily married and dont think of you in that way!

B) Having seen you play at Luton G once you are a bigger spewtard than Vinny!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on June 18, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
Hahaha.....

Kettle and Pot come to mind. ;spam; ;spam; ;spam; ;topman;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 22, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Well I was winning on the Euros until the past week when I punted

£200 on Holland to beat Portugal

£100 on Russia to beat Greece

£100 double on Spain to beat Croatia and France to beat Sweden

2 x £150 bets on dog tips given

GG all of them which put me back to level for the tournament and over the first 2 days of Royal Ascot had invested £100 on placepots and not placed a single bet as am at work so a sweat on Placepots was enough but had no draw until....

Yesterday when this happened

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5257/placepot.jpg[/img]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5257/placepot.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

and we scooped 80pence of the placepot which returned to us £1204.64 for an outlay of £28.80 but we had a couple of losing lines having laid out £45 on them at the start of the day, I love a placepot at the big meetings and normally cop 3-4 a year like this one.

Buoyed with confidence and having read a post Stuart (Redarmi) put on Tikays thread we invested £150 on this..

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5429/portugalj.jpg[/img]](http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5429/portugalj.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

For a further £595 return and an overall profit on the day of £1604.64!!   Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Whilst were on the thin stuff I am also currently leading the royal Ascot tipsters comp although there is still 2 days to go!!

Obv it's not all good as work is pretty shocking and we have not sold a house for 10 days now so hopefully this weekend will change that.





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on June 22, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
GIQ FFS.

my run bad continues, after smashing my screen on my iPhone i thought I would replace it myself on the cheap, the screen is now fine but in the process I damaged the LED so now I have no phone. Siiigh, amn youtube tutorials.

Haven't won a real bet for like 2 months.

Ronaldo TGS/Portugal win gets me out. 11111111111111111 tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime.


obv nice bink, wpwp etc. You know that show wife swap? Do you want to come on my new show Life swap?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobby1 on June 22, 2012, 02:25:52 PM
Nice work Eso, top chopping.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 22, 2012, 02:40:16 PM
GIQ FFS.

my run bad continues, after smashing my screen on my iPhone i thought I would replace it myself on the cheap, the screen is now fine but in the process I damaged the LED so now I have no phone. Siiigh, amn youtube tutorials.

Haven't won a real bet for like 2 months.

Ronaldo TGS/Portugal win gets me out. 11111111111111111 tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime.


obv nice bink, wpwp etc. You know that show wife swap? Do you want to come on my new show Life swap?
I think I shall decline that offer kind sir as you are just a week or so away from a bundle of joy being delivered so you need to change that FIRST nappy!!
GL with your footie bet though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 22, 2012, 02:45:26 PM
Nice work Eso, top chopping.
Cheers Phil, how has the Euro's and R Ascot for you?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 22, 2012, 03:56:25 PM
Is there anything you are bad at. Naturally gifted at anything you turn your hand to lol


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobby1 on June 22, 2012, 04:03:03 PM
Nice work Eso, top chopping.
Cheers Phil, how has the Euro's and R Ascot for you?

hi mate,

Euro's started pretty well but I haven't had a bet on an outright game since the Eng v Sweden game. Ascot started ok too but has gone downhill since yesterday, I am behind about 300 now but one race might change that so fingers crossed.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 22, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
Is there anything you are bad at. Naturally gifted at anything you turn your hand to lol
TBH I'm pretty rubbish at drawing, not to flushes and runs  ;) as I always get there with those but normal drawing!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on June 22, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
On a roll mate, very nice indeed!

Hope the house market picks up for you next.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 27, 2012, 12:37:22 PM
This month at work has been a lot of this!!

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5759/holei.jpg[/img]](http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5759/holei.jpg) (http://[IMG)

But we are nearly there and if the final couple of deals we are currently working on it will be a decent end to the month.

Punting wise not done a lot of movement backwards or forwards as Sunday I punted £100 on Hulkenberg to be in the top 6 at the grand prix at 5/2 and then took my £100 back and punted the profit on Italy beating England in normal time so losing on pens was the nut worst result. Away from that a loser on the dogs and the only other bet had this week was £330 on the Match sixes bet in Tikay's thread winning £240 of which I am spinning the £240 up today on a nitty Portugal +3 corners in the match bet at 17/20 and if this cops spin the lot up on the cricket tomoz meaning we could be   level or £750 up come close of play tomorrow.

Really looking forward to this weekend as playing live pokerz for the first time since my bink at the start of the month and then next weekend meeting up with Vinny and Pizzled and playing the uber deepstacked main event at GUKPT Plymouth both events on my staked thread so hoping to do another win for the backers and myself ofc!!

I also purchased HEM2 for my micro stakes online grind and am getting to grips but feel quite lost with it all atm and using a hud is gonna take time hopefully not as long as it has taken Ant to set his up  :D





Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 27, 2012, 12:41:04 PM
Little Man Max!

He is growing up soooo quickly it's incred!!

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 27, 2012, 12:54:08 PM
Little Man Max!

He is growing up soooo quickly it's incred!!

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3280/maxv.jpg[/img]](http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3280/maxv.jpg) (http://[IMG)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6825/max2tl.jpg[/img]](http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6825/max2tl.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)



Love pictures like that mate. Always make me smile


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on June 28, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
Hi mate,

I've always wondered what the point of estate agents is?

Once i see a house i like why do i have to speak to you anymore? You appear to be entirely superfluos at this point and just get in the way of getting it done.

Even if we say you conveying an offer to the vendor is ok, why are you anything to do with it after acceptance? you mention doing deals in the thread but you aren't doing deals, other people are and you are extracting money for nothing as far as i can tell.

Aren't you just glorified advertising space?

It may not sound like a friendly query but it is, genuinely wondered.

cheers.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on June 28, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 28, 2012, 02:30:31 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]
Yeah but he can now take solace in the fact that he has become that popular he gets hate mail :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on June 28, 2012, 02:31:18 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on June 28, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?

A good estate agents will mean you would never ask that question. Ours did so much to facilitate and sell our house it was unreal.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ACE2M on June 28, 2012, 02:42:48 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?

A good estate agents will mean you would never ask that question. Ours did so much to facilitate and sell our house it was unreal.

Details?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on June 28, 2012, 02:46:51 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?
Go bowling with him, play footy with him, look at his wife and it's easy for mild jealousy to turn into dislike


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 28, 2012, 02:46:55 PM
Hi mate,

I've always wondered what the point of estate agents is?

Once i see a house i like why do i have to speak to you anymore? You appear to be entirely superfluos at this point and just get in the way of getting it done.

Even if we say you conveying an offer to the vendor is ok, why are you anything to do with it after acceptance? you mention doing deals in the thread but you aren't doing deals, other people are and you are extracting money for nothing as far as i can tell.

Aren't you just glorified advertising space?

It may not sound like a friendly query but it is, genuinely wondered.

cheers.

Haha Tom
It's ok to dislike estate agents as they are rubbish and dont do a lot.
Some do earn their corn though and all you have to remember is that we work for "The Vendor" as they pay the bills and therefore putting your property in the hands of a bad or lazy estate agent could mean the difference in thousands of pounds on your property, I feel that in terms of marketing most agents do the same and the good old basics of estate agency   ie COMMUNICATION with buyers and sellers never changes.

But once you get an offer that is where we really earn our corn as we need to squeeze every last penny out of a deal for our vendors but at the same time not losing the purchaser so you need strong negotiating skills and then once "the easy" bit is done you need us to keep your chain together and progress it through to exchange liasing with all links and their respective solicitors for the 8-10 weeks of an average transaction.

For this service we get paid between 1 - 1.75% of the sales price dependant how good you are at negotiating with vendors or showing them how different you are to the other poor agents in your town which is actually one of the lowest %'s in the world for selling property with the average closer to 3%.

As a company we pride ourselves on service, marketing, going the extra mile and yes obv we dont please everyone all the time but strive everyday to make a difference with little things like  making sure there is blue sky in the photographs, taking time and care with the internal shots, speaking to our clients a minimum of once per week - more if you are a vendor or have sold through us so some agents are different, but that is why we sell twice as much as our competitors I guess.  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 28, 2012, 02:49:29 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?
you can just remember me as "Eso the Degen"  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on June 28, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
Reason you sell twice as much is because you are Eso M'fkin Kral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 28, 2012, 02:51:11 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?
Go bowling with him, play footy with him, look at his wife and it's easy for mild jealousy to turn into dislike
Haha Milligan and Herbie are soooo funny, but stop looking at the wife!!  :-*


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on June 28, 2012, 02:54:02 PM
lolz. Close to friendly [  ]


I Like Eso, I Dislike estate agents, where does that leave me?

A good estate agents will mean you would never ask that question. Ours did so much to facilitate and sell our house it was unreal.

Details?

He had a nice sized client database to access to get people to actually view our house.
He was about as good at selling a property as I have ever seen, never show people around yourself. A good estate agent is a supreme saleperson.
He negotiated the best price we felt he could get.
He kept abreast of the full chain and was in constent contact with solicitors and other estate agents to iron out problems (and there were loads).
He was on time, always communicated what was happening and was realistic.
He was on call virtually 24/7 he was available 8am till 10pm daily, including sundays.
He organised the moving day logistics, came around helped out etc..
We negotiated a 1% free for the sale :)
He gives people £500 for a referal to him that eventually completes..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on June 28, 2012, 03:13:27 PM
Plymouthhhhhhhhhhh!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 28, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
Plymouthhhhhhhhhhh!!!
So looking forward to it, obv cos your 15 year old girfriend is not on half term you are down a few days before me which is pretty meh!

Check out if there is a Nando's Plymouth though!!

Oh and try to make the antes if you can!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on June 28, 2012, 03:48:11 PM
Ha, burd rubs coming from you. Comedy.

There will be a Nandos near by, don't you worry about that son.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 28, 2012, 05:53:23 PM
Punting wise not done a lot of movement backwards or forwards as Sunday I punted £100 on Hulkenberg to be in the top 6 at the grand prix at 5/2 and then took my £100 back and punted the profit on Italy beating England in normal time so losing on pens was the nut worst result. Away from that a loser on the dogs and the only other bet had this week was £330 on the Match sixes bet in Tikay's thread winning £240 of which I am spinning the £240 up today on a nitty Portugal +3 corners in the match bet at 17/20 and if this cops spin the lot up on the cricket tomoz meaning we could be   level or £750 up come close of play tomorrow.
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Corners bet came in but Total match sixes quote is too high imo and only a few books are laying it so am giving it the swerve.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on June 30, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
Arrived in Birmingham for the 888 event at Star City!!

Had a couple of bets today
£100 treble on the tennis  Del Potro/Kohlschreiber/Zakopalova

and horses just small
Opt Out 425 Newcastle
Deepest Blue 255 Windsor
plus 2 in the 605 Donc  Speciality and Two Pancakes the latter EW

Now to find a greasy spoon for a bit of brekkie   nomnomnom!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 07, 2012, 11:27:19 AM
Playing day2 of the Gukpt Plymouth today  50k ss on an hour clock is a great warm up for the wsop main event I wont be playing and the field is significantly weakened by the abscence of the vegas lot and the prescence of Celtic and Pizzled.

Only 9 players were ko'd on day one and you could have entered 6hours in and still had pretty much ss as only one player knocked himself out in that time.

I fancy Caledonia Lady ew today @ 11/1 magic sign and am backing her singly plus a couple of speculative ew doubles with  becausewecan/deaville flyer and allied powers in the 325 haydock.

Plymouth is actually a pretty dece place and I was party yday to a Pizzled spin down and get out of jail card after the end of day one watching Vinny anti-rail him on Blackjack calling in every combo of sweat cards for the dealer before he resorted to getting out of it on 4card poker.

Those were the days....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 07, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
gl son will be at dtd today.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on July 07, 2012, 02:13:56 PM
oioiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii what a fkin hero. My first nag for ages, only small but it won!!! 1 time  becausewecan or deaville flyer.

<3 TheKral


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on July 07, 2012, 03:36:03 PM
Wiiiiiiii Profit for Vinny anti railing skills tonight ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on July 07, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
Nice pick with Caledonia, wish I'd seen it earlier as didn't play in that race and would have had a small interest.

Mind you I reckon I must be in credit for not bokking.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 10, 2012, 04:39:08 PM
Nice pick with Caledonia, wish I'd seen it earlier as didn't play in that race and would have had a small interest.

Mind you I reckon I must be in credit for not bokking.
Yh a big thanks to you and Girgy from staying away from her  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 10, 2012, 05:09:28 PM
Well I got back from Plymouth and beat myself up enough about my epic spews in the main event and consoled myself with a winning grand prix bet on M Webber having invested £65 at 9/2 on Sat evening along with a cover shot of £35 on Schumi at 10/1 and enjoyed the Sunday afternoon with Petra and Max at home flicking between the grand prix and the tennis before it was back to work Monday.

We currently have 2 work experience girls who started yesterday which we do as a favour to the local schools and colleges to give them an insight into our industry and something to add to their Cv as well and both have applied themselves well to the tasks given so far, then today I had to attend another school we support at their assembly to give a little lad an I-pod touch he won in a raffle we held at their school fete a couple of weeks ago.

It was quite touching really with 120 infants infront of you and the school head going back over the fete day reminding them of our presence and the fact that one of the children in this room had won the prize, then we revealed the winner was from Red class and they all started to look at each other then the fact it was a boy and finally his name began with a D and this little lad immediately stuck his arm in the air and had a massive smile on his face.

Up he came and it was a pleasure to give him his prize and watch him go to sit down holding it close to his chest and the smile never left his face for the rest of the assembly which was really nice to see.  We give the school approx £2k per year for various events and whenever they hold an event the area is flooded with our boards advertising the fete or bazzaar so it is well worthwhile the sponsorship in terms of board presence alone.

Was lucky enough to get the timing of a bet 100% right y/day and will post details later but had £200 on something at 5/6 which is now best priced 1/3 and then today have placed my first pre-season punt with a cheeky £60 acca on Uruguay to win group A of the olympics football with Man city to win the Prem League and then J Ennis to win SPOTY which pays just over £1500 so hopefully will get a sweat from it!!

I am also taking a small punt on Sirius Prospect EW at 20/1 for the July cup this weekend, it is not info but it has shortened over the past few days and I availed myself of a little 25/1 and personally thought he ran his best race of the season last time out at Royal Ascot behind Black caviar so will have had about £50 ew by the time I post this...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on July 11, 2012, 03:20:06 AM
Nice pick with Caledonia, wish I'd seen it earlier as didn't play in that race and would have had a small interest.

Mind you I reckon I must be in credit for not bokking.
Yh a big thanks to you and Girgy from staying away from her  ;)

Anytime buddy.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
Was lucky enough to get the timing of a bet 100% right y/day and will post details later but had £200 on something at 5/6 which is now best priced 1/3 and then today have placed my first pre-season punt with a cheeky £60 acca on Uruguay to win group A of the olympics football with Man city to win the Prem League and then J Ennis to win SPOTY which pays just over £1500 so hopefully will get a sweat from it!!

I am also taking a small punt on Sirius Prospect EW at 20/1 for the July cup this weekend, it is not info but it has shortened over the past few days and I availed myself of a little 25/1 and personally thought he ran his best race of the season last time out at Royal Ascot behind Black caviar so will have had about £50 ew by the time I post this...
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Not sure why I chose that day to place this bet and I would not have put it on a day later at 1/3 to win £70 and obv still a fair way to go but am happy with pos!

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8815/wiggins.jpg[/img]](http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8815/wiggins.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2012, 10:47:30 AM
The only other bet this week till today was this after seeing the tips for tikay thread and although I lost a bit of the price didnt have long to get on it.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2856/footiebet.jpg[/img]](http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2856/footiebet.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

When this won I stuck a further £20 ew on Sirius Prospect for Saturday at 20/1 so got £70 ew at average odds of 22/1


Today I am on 2 horses EW

I have £20 ew on Pearl Blue  4.40 NWMKT at 10/1 having missed the 14's early early despite looking at it in bed at 6.30 this morning
topped up a further £20 ew at 8/1 once I got to work

£15 EW on   Vino Collapso @ 8/1 who I think will like the ground today at Donny 2.40 and ties in some form with Bircham that was beaten into second by Tha'ir who won at R Ascot although the odds on shot does look decent in the 2.40 I hope we show some further improvement and would have liked one more runner for 3 places but you cant have everything.

Plus I have a £20 EW double on both as well!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
Yea obv on.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on July 12, 2012, 11:25:24 AM
Yea obv on.
Std :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2012, 11:38:09 AM
Oh yh Milldonk is my loyalist only follower!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on July 12, 2012, 01:26:37 PM
On too....(any) winnings to be punted on Sirius Prospect :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2012, 01:27:38 PM
On too....(any) winnings to be punted on Sirius Prospect :)
degens gonna degen Simon!!

Sirius is now a best priced 14/1 though!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
 :'( That's a few hundred nappies I just done in.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
:'( That's a few hundred nappies I just done in.
Wow you really have cut down your bet sizing!!

Obv you will have had more on the second one as I had £15ew on that and £40ew on the second yh?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on July 12, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
:'( That's a few hundred nappies I just done in.
Wow you really have cut down your bet sizing!!

Obv you will have had more on the second one as I had £15ew on that and £40ew on the second yh?

I do now!  :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 13, 2012, 10:13:25 AM
The only other bet this week till today was this after seeing the tips for tikay thread and although I lost a bit of the price didnt have long to get on it.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2856/footiebet.jpg[/img]](http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/2856/footiebet.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

When this won I stuck a further £20 ew on Sirius Prospect for Saturday at 20/1 so got £70 ew at average odds of 22/1


Today I am on 2 horses EW

I have £20 ew on Pearl Blue  4.40 NWMKT at 10/1 having missed the 14's early early despite looking at it in bed at 6.30 this morning
topped up a further £20 ew at 8/1 once I got to work

£15 EW on   Vino Collapso @ 8/1 who I think will like the ground today at Donny 2.40 and ties in some form with Bircham that was beaten into second by Tha'ir who won at R Ascot although the odds on shot does look decent in the 2.40 I hope we show some further improvement and would have liked one more runner for 3 places but you cant have everything.

Plus I have a £20 EW double on both as well!!


Small losing day as returned £130 from £150 staked!!

Today I shall mostly be backing MAUREEN to the tune of £60 EW and £20 win in the 2.25 Newmarket at 5/1 placed last night!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 14, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
Have had an unlucky couple of days in running if anyone saw the Pearl Blue and Maureen races beaten a head both times and with anything like a run both horses would have won imo.

Today have punted

A short priced double   Bircham in the 3.55 Nmkt with  L Donald to win his 2 ball vs Hansen

Already got £70 ew riding on Sirius Prospect from last 10 days at avg odds of 22/1 and he is now trading at 14/1 in one place and 12's everywhere else so got a good value loser obv.

Then 3 horses I like a little bit but not to much on them

Ruacana in the 4.00 chester
Caledonia Lady  again
Qaraaba

not sure the times of the other 2 as am just on way out with family for the day.

Good luck today to Adam Lawler in the WSOP ME who has made it through so far with over 600k!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 17, 2012, 11:19:13 AM
Bricked all above bets completely the weekend and only bet on Sunday was a bet on Troy Matteson in the US Golf which knocked in another £150.

Had a great weekend though if an expensive one as it was Petra's 30th Birthday so I had the weekend off and we did family stuff all weekend which included some shopping for Petra and then on Sunday a visit to Old Macdonalds Farm in Brentwood where Maxwell got to feed some animals for the first time and go on some of the rides they have.

Yesterday was a sad day as after working till 12 I took Petra and the wii man to the airport as they are now in Slovakia for 10 days staying with Petra's mum on a mini break and she has given me a list of jobs to do before she gets back.

Her list consists of
1. Make sure all woodwork in master bedroom is given 2 coats of gloss before Chippy comes to fit the wardrobes
2. Cut the grass (when dry)
3. Clear side lean to so the guy who is chopping all the trees back in the garden has good access for waste
4. Dust and Hoover
5. Sand and repaint recent patch filled area in Bathroom

My List had
1. Book hotel for GP at DTD this weekend
2. Play 10k hands of micor stakes cash
3. Watch as much of the Open as I can

You get the drift!!!

Today will set up some hopefull sweats for the Golf this weekend and will post itt later on


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on July 17, 2012, 11:36:38 AM


Her list consists of
1. Make sure all woodwork in master bedroom is given 2 coats of gloss before Chippy comes to fit the wardrobes
2. Cut the grass (when dry)
3. Clear side lean to so the guy who is chopping all the trees back in the garden has good access for waste
4. Dust and Hoover
5. Sand and repaint recent patch filled area in Bathroom

My List had
1. Spankwire


fyp


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on July 17, 2012, 12:18:51 PM


Her list consists of
1. Make sure all woodwork in master bedroom is given 2 coats of gloss before Chippy comes to fit the wardrobes
2. Cut the grass (when dry)
3. Clear side lean to so the guy who is chopping all the trees back in the garden has good access for waste
4. Dust and Hoover
5. Sand and repaint recent patch filled area in Bathroom

My List had
1. Spankwire


fyp
Have you noticed he had stopped posting pictures of the wife for our pleasure Milly ?

Betting slips are nice but obv not in the same class as Petra :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 17, 2012, 12:20:46 PM


Her list consists of
1. Make sure all woodwork in master bedroom is given 2 coats of gloss before Chippy comes to fit the wardrobes
2. Cut the grass (when dry)
3. Clear side lean to so the guy who is chopping all the trees back in the garden has good access for waste
4. Dust and Hoover
5. Sand and repaint recent patch filled area in Bathroom

My List had
1. Spankwire


fyp
Have you noticed he had stopped posting pictures of the wife for our pleasure Milly ?

Betting slips are nice but obv not in the same class as Petra :)
TBF I shall post some in the next few days but Milli gets off on both obv!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 17, 2012, 02:10:19 PM
I'm on smallish EW today at 6/1 Corals (price now gone) still some 11/2 available on Twelve Strings in the 8.20 @ Yarmouth got £30 EW plus a tenner win and had a free bet held over with Laddies points so stuck the £25 on that but at 5/1!!

My small stable for the outrights on the golf is complete as well and have

Tiger @ 10/1
Rory @ 25/1
R. Fowler @ 40/1  biggest winner
J.Furyk @ 50/1 2nd biggest winner
D.Johnson 50/1
and a token £10 ew on D.Clarke @150/1

Am gonna check out the tips from the real judges though and may add some different type bets ie 3balls or match bets later.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on July 17, 2012, 02:32:22 PM
Love the token bet.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 17, 2012, 02:33:04 PM
Love the token bet.
Be rude not to  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 17, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
lay Tiger for all your Bank Rich, trust me


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 17, 2012, 05:43:49 PM
lay Tiger for all your Bank Rich, trust me
That'l be about £2.50 then Mike.

I wouldnt want to be a massive layer as if he just keeps to the 3wood and irons he will be there or thereabouts!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 17, 2012, 06:18:47 PM
yeah, brutal course, stay on the Fairway and u will be fine


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 17, 2012, 06:21:02 PM
i do fancy Ricky Fowler and Zac Johnson if playing is running good, will be having a dabble tomorrow, gl


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 19, 2012, 07:36:34 AM
My Open Golf book consists of

My book consists of

Tiger
R.Fowler   wins lots
J.Furyk  wins lots

smaller EW on  D Johnson and D Clarke

A Cross Atlantic EW double with the above plus A.Romero,Colsaerts,Curtis,Fisher with   C Kirk and D Pride in the US

Decent single on Bubba to miss the cut at 6/4 and a cheeky punt on the first round leader with
M.Hoey
A.Romero
R.Fisher
B.Curtis
S.M.Bae


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on July 19, 2012, 07:45:27 AM
Looks good really fancy Furyk at that price


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on July 19, 2012, 08:34:17 AM
Pics of Petra would be better!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 19, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
Furyk, Fowler, and Zach Johnson, £20.00 each way ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 21, 2012, 12:01:30 PM
Currently sat in work but am leaving in about an hour to drive up to DTD for the Grand Prix.

Not really puntering on much today as got a few sweats on the golf with my book currently looking like

T.Woods  + £1250  (topped up a bit yday before 2nd round)
A.Scott + £350 backed before 2nd round as a cover shot

The Field - £500
So hopefully Snedeker drops back a bit today and give me a chance to get some more of Scott in the book if it's close between him and Tiger.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 27, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
^^^
Well that was pretty brutal and was watching Scott's demise over the weekend whilst at DTD in the Grand Prix and having bust on saturday night getting back to Essex at 2am to be up at 8am and in the office at 9.30 for 3 hours before making a late swerve decision to go back up the M1 and have another stab at making Day2 whilst listening to a motor racing bet of Hamilton to beat Webber (cue fail at first corner) and the early stages of the golf.

I was quite satisfied with my position going into the back nine of the golf but unfortunately whilst I was accumulating chips at DTD Mr Scott was decreasing my nett worth by a few hundred and I had to feel sorry for the guy but also a feeling of good sport with how he took the defeat.

The Grand Prix itself was pretty good and I held in some good spots and got 2 people to gift me a lot of chips to give me a decent stack going into the last level where I just selected the players who were locking up for the day and increased my stack by about 20% in the last 30mins to bag up 240'000 to return with on Saturday.

So it was back down the M1 getting back at 4.30am and exactly 2hours and 30mins later we were up and getting ready for work  :(   my assistant branch manager has been off for 10days on hols so since Monday the 16th I have not had a day off and been in the office every day as well as my jaunts up north but it's all good as we are uber busy and going to have a corker of a month so much kudos to the boys for their hard work!!

Then on Monday night the realisation that Petra and Max were returning on Weds night to Luton and I had not yet started the list of jobs she had left me with so straight after work and a lack of sleep I donned my painting gear and did
The Glossing required in Bed1
The touch up jobs in the bathroom

Then after work Tuesday did
The second coat of glossing
Primed 5 mahooosive mdf panels that are being made into sliding wardrobes by the chippy for the bedroom
Tidie the house from top to bottom
Washing and Ironing
and promised myself I would not do this again, until next time obv's


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 27, 2012, 10:47:36 AM
Then Weds night came and after work it was a drive round to Luton to pick them up which was so nice to see them after 10days away and see how much the wi man has changed even in that short time.

Here he is collapsed on the bed after carrying him upstairs waiting to put his Pj's on and get in his cot

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9137/21526156.jpg[/img]](http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9137/21526156.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

Their first day back was yesterday and what a day weather wise, the seafront was rammed and I found out even Dubai had come across to the coast with half of Romford but whilst they were busy having a burgewr and chips on the pier he was in a fish restaurant no doubt having some Crab with a drop of vino!!

Really looking forward to this weekend and hope to run good, play well and have a deep run in the penultimate event on my stake!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 27, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
you gonna donate my first double up Rich? should have locked up in level 15 but got 5 pairs in last level and obv missed every flop, turn and river........ woops


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 27, 2012, 05:56:05 PM
you gonna donate my first double up Rich? should have locked up in level 15 but got 5 pairs in last level and obv missed every flop, turn and river........ woops
hopefully not mate! but cu there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: david3103 on July 27, 2012, 09:17:32 PM
I could use an early double up too if you're feeling generous


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 27, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
I could use an early double up too if you're feeling generous
u sir david are an old pro at these things so am sure you will be ok without my help ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on July 27, 2012, 11:21:36 PM
I could use an early double up too if you're feeling generous
u sir david are an old pro at these things so am sure you will be ok without my help ;)
glad your putting me in the young class catergory Rich , will donk my bowl to u instead of Mr Amos,  Qd Jd is my shoving range Dave


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on July 28, 2012, 02:29:29 AM
gl Mr b.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 28, 2012, 07:38:56 AM
gl Mr b.
Thanks pal,  how is Malta?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on July 28, 2012, 07:50:49 AM
gl Mr b.
Thanks pal,  how is Malta?

Hot, and gonna be getting hotter, Dean and gavin are over too, Dean tried a massive slowroll on me with aces, and karma bit him on the arse. He raised, I shoved, he dwells for a bit, claiming he has a tough decision. Then eventually calls and flips two black aces. Dealer asks what he said, I said, he folds, dealer says, ok, puts all the dead hands, and burn cards in the muck to start shuffling :) ruling called for, Dean asks if I would be happy to shuffle all cards and run it. I reply no :) td awards split pot. I laughed for a while if I'm honest.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on July 28, 2012, 07:56:49 AM
gl Mr b.
Thanks pal,  how is Malta?

Hot, and gonna be getting hotter, Dean and gavin are over too, Dean tried a massive slowroll on me with aces, and karma bit him on the arse. He raised, I shoved, he dwells for a bit, claiming he has a tough decision. Then eventually calls and flips two black aces. Dealer asks what he said, I said, he folds, dealer says, ok, puts all the dead hands, and burn cards in the muck to start shuffling :) ruling called for, Dean asks if I would be happy to shuffle all cards and run it. I reply no :) td awards split pot. I laughed for a while if I'm honest.
Brilliant tbh he is lucky u let him split the pot!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on July 29, 2012, 12:43:01 AM
gl Mr b.
Thanks pal,  how is Malta?

Hot, and gonna be getting hotter, Dean and gavin are over too, Dean tried a massive slowroll on me with aces, and karma bit him on the arse. He raised, I shoved, he dwells for a bit, claiming he has a tough decision. Then eventually calls and flips two black aces. Dealer asks what he said, I said, he folds, dealer says, ok, puts all the dead hands, Band burn cards in the muck to start shuffling :) ruling called for, Dean asks if I would be happy to shuffle all cards and run it. I reply no :) td awards split pot. I laughed for a while if I'm honest.
Brilliant tbh he is lucky u let him split the pot!!

Tbh I thought vinny was actually gonna die laughing , his little face went all red....I've been waiting 6 years to slow roll him fmel


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 02, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
What a multi-talented man you are.

You never told us you had an analyst's role in the olympic velodrome with the BBC.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 02, 2012, 07:20:35 PM
What a multi-talented man you are.

You never told us you had an analyst's role in the olympic velodrome with the BBC.



I sent him a pic of said pundit earlier today.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 02, 2012, 07:28:19 PM
What a multi-talented man you are.

You never told us you had an analyst's role in the olympic velodrome with the BBC.



I sent him a pic of said pundit earlier today.
? Pic plz


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 02, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)


FFS why do so many people look like me!!   :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on August 02, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)


FFS why do so many people look like me!!   :(


Haha, was gonna post that !


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 02, 2012, 08:52:46 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)


FFS why do so many people look like me!!   :(


Haha, was gonna post that !
DW Milligan has your back as he texts me the photo at 530pm  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on August 02, 2012, 08:55:46 PM
Lol.  That's good!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 02, 2012, 09:01:10 PM
I think Eso should have a sub thread containing all his look-a-likes.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 02, 2012, 10:44:55 PM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8993/eso1q.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)


FFS why do so many people look like me!!   :(


Lolol
McKenna is best tho


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 03, 2012, 10:23:33 AM
Eso in the news again:

(http://urbanspectator.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5514b80948834017616f4b37a970c-pi)

Article: http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/ (http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/) GL in court fella.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Girgy85 on August 03, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
Eso in the news again:

(http://urbanspectator.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5514b80948834017616f4b37a970c-pi)

Article: http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/ (http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/) GL in court fella.

Is eso my dad?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 03, 2012, 11:19:49 AM
Eso in the news again:

(http://urbanspectator.typepad.com/.a/6a00e5514b80948834017616f4b37a970c-pi)

Article: http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/ (http://www.the-daily-news.co.uk/) GL in court fella.

Is eso my dad?
Stop driving so fast son!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 06, 2012, 04:05:15 PM
Well after another drive up and down the M1 with a marginally overplayed hand of AK I got to spend a day in the garden with Max, here he is showing off he excellent football skills at the tender age of 16months.  Please be even better than I was so I can travel round the world watching you play and you dont end up in the DTD degens side.
Can never get the youtube thing to work (help me herbertmob your my only hope) so you will have to click on the link unfortunately

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE)

Aside from that been pretty busy at work (standard) and no real punting done as keeping the powder dry for Weds when the rather excellent Racing Post supplement comes out and their analysis of the upcoming footie season so can put some season long match bet accas and other random things to keep me interested for the season with the hope of a little bink next May.

It was really good to Glen Henderson (Nirvana) this weekend and have to say he is looking really good and whilst he knocked me out it was good to see him with a deep run. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 06, 2012, 04:17:47 PM
That's awesome tekkers.
I use the you tube icon above but it only works occasionally for me. A lot of the videos on here just show the play symbol with a line through it for me

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE
 See


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 06, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
That's awesome tekkers.
I use the you tube icon above but it only works occasionally for me. A lot of the videos on here just show the play symbol with a line through it for me

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE
 See
I knew you would sort it out mate  TYVM


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 06, 2012, 04:21:30 PM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on August 06, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
Ul on the weekend mate and another nice tourney report!

Regarding the £500 DTD proposal, I only just saw it on the staking thread and I am deffo in :)
Thanks to tikay for shipping you the money on my behalf, I have just sent him the money so we are all ready to go!

Thanks again for the outstanding sweat, it has been really good and long may it continue ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 06, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Ul on the weekend mate and another nice tourney report!

Regarding the £500 DTD proposal, I only just saw it on the staking thread and I am deffo in :)
Thanks to tikay for shipping you the money on my behalf, I have just sent him the money so we are all ready to go!

Thanks again for the outstanding sweat, it has been really good and long may it continue ;)

Cheers D on all counts!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 11, 2012, 11:20:25 AM
Max at the Olympics!!

The wee man went to Hyde Park with Petra yesterday with some friends and they watched the 10k swim and had a little picnic in the park. I actually regret not having made an effort to bag a few tickets for some of the stuff and have been left getting a fix from the telly but I was saying to Max (not that he understood obv) "To be Inspired!!" and it must make parents and family very proud to be watching them especially with the event being in London.

Here he is in his Team GB shirt

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5167/maxathydepark.jpg[/img]](http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/5167/maxathydepark.jpg) (http://[IMG)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 11, 2012, 11:39:18 AM
I'M SUCH A NIT!!!

I have had just 3 bets in the past week or so with an £80 double on Jess Ennis (after event 1) at 8/11 and Christian Taylor to win the Triple Jump which returned £286 and then yesterday stuck £75 on the recc 5 women to be in the final 10 shortlisted for SPOTY @ 6/1 with the magic sign and then this last night

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5931/nitty.jpg[/img]](http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/5931/nitty.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

Which returns a £208 profit but if I had backed them to win am sure it would have been £3500 as Bahama's were 5/2, the pole vaulter 11/10 and think the Turkish girl was 7/2 and am obv kicking myself although the relay team and Turkish girl were not favs for the event so guess I should be glad of booking a win.

With the footie season starting this weekend I am getting ready my season long bets and am preparing to lay out approx £500 with a few face spitters (copyright Steve Palmer of the RP) amongst them and will post them here in due course.

On the poker front I deposited £200 into DTD online 2 weeks ago and have been playing small stakes cash mainly 10c/25c euro and recycling the money and then grinding out 4-5 10 man SNG's a night (volume ftw) for the Chipleader promo and didnt get drawn into the battle for a £500 seat as had already bagged one of those a few weeks ago (In before a lack of Thin-ness!!!) and still have about £60 in there and a stack of 80'000 and have decided that when I get to 100k will stop and play just the 20 man SNG's to try and get a Golden Chip for the event and the current average is 50k with the big blind due to start at 100 so am looking forward to this in the Middle of September before we fly off for 2 weeks to see the relly's in Malta.

Gonna have a small EW interest in Seamus Shindig at 11/1 today in the 6.45pm at Lingfield but only £25EW and a placepot interest in the Shergar Cup meeting at Ascot as it looks very open and might flick it in for the Luton Deepstack tonight if I can get a pass out  ;)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 11, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)

dw mate there's a queue.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 11, 2012, 01:15:07 PM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)

dw mate there's a queue.
Paid my dues today!!   ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Rupert on August 11, 2012, 04:01:48 PM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)

dw mate there's a queue.
Paid my dues today!!   ;)


lol thanks, nah i was more interested in the property part of the thread but i cant find anything you've posted about it!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 11, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)

dw mate there's a queue.
Paid my dues today!!   ;)


lol thanks, nah i was more interested in the property part of the thread but i cant find anything you've posted about it!
What would you like to know?
Pm if you want to keep off thread


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Rupert on August 11, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
idk nothing in particular just thought would be interesting read, is all about betting tho!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 10:19:24 AM
Happy First Anniversary Diary

One year ago I decided to start this and although I have not posted every day and some days thought it would be easier to stop I am happy that it is still going and has a couple of people who read. I understand it will never be as popular as the "Golden One's" or Tikay's but if I can find the odd winner for people then that's good enough for me.

 :birthday:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2012, 10:23:30 AM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 15, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
Congrats on the year mate, keep up the good work with more stories of family, work and of course degening.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 10:49:20 AM
Rupert ITT, I must owe him some moniezz  ;)

dw mate there's a queue.
Paid my dues today!!   ;)


lol thanks, nah i was more interested in the property part of the thread but i cant find anything you've posted about it!
Sorry ElRup
I shall try to redress the balance slightly.

Well Thorpe Bay in Essex is the area my office is located in and despite the doom and gloom merchants around this area is currently flying at the moment and in the past 7 days we have sold 8 Properties with an overall fee value to us of £35'000 of which on average £20'000 will get to be banked and of that my guys will get 5% each and I am lucky enough to get a bit more than them plus a further 5% if I listed (put on the market) or actually introduced the buyer to the property.

This is our average style of property down here

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3366/dsc0005zv.jpg[/img]](http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3366/dsc0005zv.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

Just come to market at £390'000

One of this weeks sales a cheap bungalow sold at £240'000

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9424/dsc0001dr.jpg[/img]](http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9424/dsc0001dr.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

And my favourite house sale of the week which was sold subject to contract in 1 week at £580'000

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5206/dsc0029ar.jpg[/img]](http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5206/dsc0029ar.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)








Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 11:21:04 AM
My Chipleader Challenge is going ok

From my initial deposit of £200 and playing a small amount of low stakes cash alongside the odd SNG I currently have 20euro left and this many chips

http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/chipleader.php (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/chipleader.php)

I shall iron out the 20 euro on the account and then as Petra's parents are coming over for 2 weeks from Friday will then leave it alone till the start of September and may then just fire off another £50 bullet to ensure a good stack.
Last night I played 4 and won 1 x 10man and 1 x 20 man so secured a golden chip and I would have tried to win a 5man to gain a £150 entry this weekend but it's impossible to gain a pass out.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
We have house sales fall through all the time in fact it is part and parcel of our business and we work on the average that 1/3 of all the deals we put together will fall through either because the vendor or purchaser pull out or the chain breaks somewhere or more common in this market place that the Mortgage lenders tie clients up in knot's until they eventually say "actually were are not going to lend to you now".

Making the bad news call to a vendor or purchaser is the worst call we have to make as although we can empathise with a client we never have the same emotion attached to a transaction as for us each deal is worth x£ and yesterday I had to make such a call but this was more of a business decision that was taken.

1 week ago we had a client view a bungalow and they are downsizing from a big seafront apartment and have a buyer for their property but in the meantime another buyer had offered and been accepted on the bungalow, having dithered over what to do for 7 days they decide they also would like to offer on the bungalow so I had to bluff the first buyer that we had received a higher offer from clients who had viewed previously and offered them the chance to raise their offer even though I know they wont as with buyer A our fee will be £3450 and if we re-tie the deal to buyer B it is worth to our company £11950 as we have 3 links in the chain so commercially it makes more sense to recommend buyer B and then keep a close eye on the deal as if one link breaks we then have £12k of abbortive deals in our pipeline.

3 hours later and the boot is on the other foot when having had a deal where the client does not get on with the agent who is marketing and will not buy through them asks me to knock the door on his behalf to gain a viewing, and despite the knowledge that the vendor is still tied into a sole agencey contract meaning if the agent finds out I have sold it they can retrospectively charge the vendor their fee also I still got my client in through the door.  4 weeks later and we are moving quickly forward and only a couple of weeks from exchange and obv the agent still does not know we have sold the property with the vendor just riding out his remaining time under contract before telling them he hads withdrawn it and is staying put until the agent find a buyer at £12'500 more than our buyer was paying and I get the vendor turning up to tell me it is too much money to turn down and he will be pulling out of our deal and going with the new buyer.

What goes around comes around, but it is all accounted for in that 33%...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 15, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 15, 2012, 02:09:08 PM
It must be a right pain in the arse dealing with both sellers and buyers as you get the hassle from both sides of the fence. Don't think I'd have the right temperament to deal with it.

When I sold my last house twice on the day of exchange buyers tried to reduce the price by 10k. Both times I told the agent to pass on my message which was "F**K OFF".

On another occasion, although we hadn't sold the old house we were moving out into our new house hoping that an empty house might be easier to sell. As we were just loading the can for the last time a young couple knocked the door asking if they could look round. I agreed but told them any further viewings or contact should be made through the agent. After 5 visits with separate members of their famillies we agreed as they had no chain we would knock 10k off the asking price.

We were inundated by further requests to leave the oven in place etc which were happy to do as a new kitchen was on order. They finally came back with another offer asking for another 10k off. We said no. They kept upping the offer until they were just £500 short of the original agreement. As a good kind hearted human being I said I'd meet them halfway at £250 and throw in the oven. They said no. Lol

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Just absolutely a bunch of time wasters, which must be one of the worst sides in the property game.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on August 15, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
A few friends that are estate agents in LS17, Pretty much the most expensive part of Leeds and they said the last two months have seen them close so many deals its unreal. They also said average house is going for about 95% of asking price...maybe things are changing?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 02:58:53 PM
It must be a right pain in the arse dealing with both sellers and buyers as you get the hassle from both sides of the fence. Don't think I'd have the right temperament to deal with it.

When I sold my last house twice on the day of exchange buyers tried to reduce the price by 10k. Both times I told the agent to pass on my message which was "F**K OFF".

On another occasion, although we hadn't sold the old house we were moving out into our new house hoping that an empty house might be easier to sell. As we were just loading the can for the last time a young couple knocked the door asking if they could look round. I agreed but told them any further viewings or contact should be made through the agent. After 5 visits with separate members of their famillies we agreed as they had no chain we would knock 10k off the asking price.

We were inundated by further requests to leave the oven in place etc which were happy to do as a new kitchen was on order. They finally came back with another offer asking for another 10k off. We said no. They kept upping the offer until they were just £500 short of the original agreement. As a good kind hearted human being I said I'd meet them halfway at £250 and throw in the oven. They said no. Lol

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Just absolutely a bunch of time wasters, which must be one of the worst sides in the property game.
I actually quite enjoy the challenges that the day can throw at you although I only tend to get involved in the progression of the sale if there is a problem as I have a lady (rottweiler) who is paid to get the deals through so once it's top and tailed it goes over to her.
It never ceases to amaze me though how deals fall through like yours or one I had last month where the buyer wanted to move on a Thursday and the Seller on a Friday and they couldnt/wouldnt agree so both went their separate ways over 24 hours.

In our area the Gazundering as you put it does not go on that often due to the prices still effectively like they were in 07 but if you put the boot on the other foot and go back to the halcion days of 02-07 in Essex where if the buyer had not exchanged contracts within 4 weeks the vendors were asking them for another 10k or they would put it on for 20k more and most likely get it due to the market moving so fast.

Those were the days....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
A few friends that are estate agents in LS17, Pretty much the most expensive part of Leeds and they said the last two months have seen them close so many deals its unreal. They also said average house is going for about 95% of asking price...maybe things are changing?
I defo think there are pockets that are not affected and Leeds or LS17 and SS1 maybe in them, not sure about things changing as until the lenders really start relaxing there will still be a massive reduction on total transactions in the UK against 06-07 for example.

Our buyers will start at early 90's% but most sell here for 97% but that is most likely down to a lower supply of properties at realistic prices so the buyers dont actually have as much choice as most would think leading to a supply/demand type market for the good ones.

I remember the troubles you had moving which started not far off a year ago, hope you have settled well in the new gaff!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 04:35:01 PM

I was astonished by the amount properties have dropped in Spain over the last six months.

You can pick up a detached villa with decent sized pool for under €100k now


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 04:41:32 PM

I was astonished by the amount properties have dropped in Spain over the last six months.

You can pick up a detached villa with decent sized pool for under €100k now
I think the market is just gone there but as you say from the outside they will start to look like a bit of value now.

The company I used to work for ran trips out there for £35 and being mainly based in Essex they used to go out there, fall in love with a place and then come back and refinance there own property to buy with the vision of moving out there when they retired.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
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Your cheap bungalow would be 80-90k less out in the sticks where i live


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 05:03:57 PM
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Your cheap bungalow would be 80-90k less out in the sticks where i live
Excellent photo tekkers Trevor!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 05:08:35 PM
http://www.robert-bell.org/buy-sell/properties/15-clarence-road-woodhall-spa

Bargain and theres plenty of them


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2012, 05:10:27 PM
Lincoln house prices are incred Typhoon!! Although gutted I bought my house when I did, worst market had been for yrs!! Paid top dolla for a 2 bed, terrace.

(http://imganuncios.mitula.net/house_lincolnshire_95827774979879132.jpg)

My gaff is furthest on right. Luckily its in a place called Branston which is the nut place to commute from so people are begging to rent it. For same money now I could get 3 bed detached with decent land.

Eso, what would you suggest is the best thing for me to do?

My situation:

Live in a nice big house provided by the RAF for peanuts.
Have a house which we pay a mortgage on (most of which is covered by rental income) but the value of which is now close to breakeven/possibly neg eq.
Want to move and take advantage of the house prices at the minute.

At the min my plan is to wait like a decade until a chunk has gone off it or pray for a mega bink.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 05:11:11 PM
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Your cheap bungalow would be 80-90k less out in the sticks where i live
Excellent photo tekkers Trevor!!  ;)

I am useless at recreational photos lol

Mainly use computer for money making purposes


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
I never read this.

Friday, Luton, you in?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 05:18:01 PM
I never read this.

Friday, Luton, you in?
Sorry Bud, The outlaws are over from Slovakia for 2 weeks so it is a no poker holiday but I will quite happily buy you dinner on Friday 31st August if your social calendar is free?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
Eso, what would you suggest is the best thing for me to do?

My situation:

Live in a nice big house provided by the RAF for peanuts.
Have a house which we pay a mortgage on (most of which is covered by rental income) but the value of which is now close to breakeven/possibly neg eq.
Want to move and take advantage of the house prices at the minute.

At the min my plan is to wait like a decade until a chunk has gone off it or pray for a mega bink.


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Have you not heard that Poker is a LONG game mate!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 15, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
I never read this.

Friday, Luton, you in?
Sorry Bud, The outlaws are over from Slovakia for 2 weeks so it is a no poker holiday but I will quite happily buy you dinner on Friday 31st August if your social calendar is free?

Aye, go on then. Ring me next week.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2012, 05:22:49 PM
Sigh, will be quicker to just wait a decade. Although if Sunderland, Lincoln and Hearts all win their respective leagues we might be there...

p.s nice quoting skillz


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 05:30:35 PM
Lincoln house prices are incred Typhoon!! Although gutted I bought my house when I did, worst market had been for yrs!! Paid top dolla for a 2 bed, terrace.

(http://imganuncios.mitula.net/house_lincolnshire_95827774979879132.jpg)

My gaff is furthest on right. Luckily its in a place called Branston which is the nut place to commute from so people are begging to rent it. For same money now I could get 3 bed detached with decent land.

Eso, what would you suggest is the best thing for me to do?

My situation:

Live in a nice big house provided by the RAF for peanuts.
Have a house which we pay a mortgage on (most of which is covered by rental income) but the value of which is now close to breakeven/possibly neg eq.
Want to move and take advantage of the house prices at the minute.

At the min my plan is to wait like a decade until a chunk has gone off it or pray for a mega bink.


When you say breakeven you mean from what you paid?
IMO if you can buy right now and as long as it's not too big a stretch then go for it but you need to be 100% sure you can cover the stretch over x period of economic toughness/more kids etc etc.  There are some good deals out there if you sniff out the vendors who want to sell and have the flexibility ie the vendors who didnt buy in 2007 or the ones who have found a place and what I would call Aspirational buyers can still move up in this market.

IMHO a much better idea though would be to have a certain amount of money and trade up through buying and selling for 10 years  ie stay where you are and buy a grotter and sell, rinse repeat and you can easily do 3 every 2 years just being happy nicking a small bit  (10-15%) each time and then at the end of 10 years you should have enough to get the big dog!!

You need to buy well though and do a lot of research but the types of property you are looking at and the smaller margins involved wont interest the bigger investors as they want higher profit margins from property for them to get excited.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 05:39:45 PM
Lincoln house prices are incred Typhoon!! Although gutted I bought my house when I did, worst market had been for yrs!! Paid top dolla for a 2 bed, terrace.

(http://imganuncios.mitula.net/house_lincolnshire_95827774979879132.jpg)

My gaff is furthest on right. Luckily its in a place called Branston which is the nut place to commute from so people are begging to rent it. For same money now I could get 3 bed detached with decent land.

Eso, what would you suggest is the best thing for me to do?

My situation:

Live in a nice big house provided by the RAF for peanuts.
Have a house which we pay a mortgage on (most of which is covered by rental income) but the value of which is now close to breakeven/possibly neg eq.
Want to move and take advantage of the house prices at the minute.

At the min my plan is to wait like a decade until a chunk has gone off it or pray for a mega bink.


When you say breakeven you mean from what you paid?
IMO if you can buy right now and as long as it's not too big a stretch then go for it but you need to be 100% sure you can cover the stretch over x period of economic toughness/more kids etc etc.  There are some good deals out there if you sniff out the vendors who want to sell and have the flexibility ie the vendors who didnt buy in 2007 or the ones who have found a place and what I would call Aspirational buyers can still move up in this market.

IMHO a much better idea though would be to have a certain amount of money and trade up through buying and selling for 10 years  ie stay where you are and buy a grotter and sell, rinse repeat and you can easily do 3 every 2 years just being happy nicking a small bit  (10-15%) each time and then at the end of 10 years you should have enough to get the big dog!!

You need to buy well though and do a lot of research but the types of property you are looking at and the smaller margins involved wont interest the bigger investors as they want higher profit margins from property for them to get excited.

Sounds good for someone like yourself Eso

but, would not be so easy for the general punter, your in the game and constantly searching, your accustomed to all the hassle

stress and paperwork,



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 15, 2012, 05:57:51 PM
What do you think of lease mortgages?

My friend told me something about them but I am not too sure if its a good idea to go down?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 06:04:33 PM

Eso

Whats these mortgages where the bank pays and you pay the interest, are they worthwhile for first time buyers, thanks


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2012, 06:10:37 PM
Sigh, will be quicker to just wait a decade. Although if Sunderland, Lincoln and Hearts all win their respective leagues we might be there...

p.s nice quoting skillz
Waiting a decade is the nut worst option as you will be looking to upgrade so lets say for sake of argument that your place is worth 200k now and your ideal home now 325k and lets say (again a guestimate) that in 10 years time the market is 35% in an upwards direction you will have made £70k on your home and it is worth £270k but the one you want to buy has also risen by 35% ( £113750) and is now worth £438750 an overall difference of £168750 when if you make the move now the diff is £125000 so waiting and then doing it in a positive market means the gap gets wider.

If you get my drift?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on August 15, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
 Rich, if i were looking for a career change and considered estate agency would i have to start right at the bottom and are there any qualifications i would need to achieve? I have always enjoyed following the property market and have dabbled myself with rentals. Apart from the obvious traits that are well characatured what makes a good estate agent?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 15, 2012, 07:03:24 PM
Apart from the obvious traits that are well characatured what makes a good estate agent?

What, you think there is a good one?

Well i suppose we know one


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2012, 07:23:32 PM
Sigh, will be quicker to just wait a decade. Although if Sunderland, Lincoln and Hearts all win their respective leagues we might be there...

p.s nice quoting skillz
Waiting a decade is the nut worst option as you will be looking to upgrade so lets say for sake of argument that your place is worth 200k now and your ideal home now 325k and lets say (again a guestimate) that in 10 years time the market is 35% in an upwards direction you will have made £70k on your home and it is worth £270k but the one you want to buy has also risen by 35% ( £113750) and is now worth £438750 an overall difference of £168750 when if you make the move now the diff is £125000 so waiting and then doing it in a positive market means the gap gets wider.

If you get my drift?

Cheers for the advice fella,

Yea what I meant earlier was pretty much if I sod now I would get what I paid so wouldn't be making anything, so its not like I could sell and use the profit for a deposit and upgrade that way. I understand what you are saying with the 35% increase in 10 years, I was more focussing on what I would have paid off the mortgage so I can then use that amount for to pay off the new place. Make sense? It's all about trying to increase equity so I can get out and move up.

Upgrading now is what I would do in an ideal world but is pretty much impossible unless I bink like 60k or so for a decent enough deposit.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2012, 11:22:28 AM
What do you think of lease mortgages?

My friend told me something about them but I am not too sure if its a good idea to go down?
Sorry Paul do you mean a mortgage on a leasehold property?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2012, 11:23:42 AM

Eso

Whats these mortgages where the bank pays and you pay the interest, are they worthwhile for first time buyers, thanks
TBH Trevor I have a mortgage advisor who deals with that side in the office we dont actually get involved there but if you copy me a link I will run it by him and post what he thinks.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2012, 11:37:36 AM
Rich, if i were looking for a career change and considered estate agency would i have to start right at the bottom and are there any qualifications i would need to achieve? I have always enjoyed following the property market and have dabbled myself with rentals. Apart from the obvious traits that are well characatured what makes a good estate agent?
Hey Greg, there are no qualifications required to be in agency as most people fall into it like me from other failed sales professions and when I am looking to employ I would rather employ someone with no EA experience than someone who has worked for 3-4 companies and then comes into our offices and says "well we didnt do that there".

In terms of where you would start it is defo most likely to be as a negotiator type role but the bigger companies will be inclined to fast track good candidates quickly and they like to employ from within so I would expect a decent 1st year negotiator to earn no less than £18k and if they earnt less than £15k then they are probaby in the wrong job.   Basic Salaries in the first year for this type of role are likely to be between 10-15k dependnat on how you negotiate yourself and if you are in a busy office you can earn early 20's, then when you start to value properties your basic can move upto late teens and you then earn by selling  and or listing properties and once you get to Assistant Branch Manager Status you can look at 35-40k income in an office turning over £300-325k.

If you are serious I would concentrate on the bigger companies EG   Bairstow Eves/Frank Innes/Spicer Haart Group as they will offer good development potential and have many other offices that wont hold back your progression if your happy to work in different offices in the East Mids.

Attributes I would be looking for are - (in no order)  Well Presented, Punctual, Reliable, Personable, Driving Licence, Confident as I can give them all the other skills over time myself.

Hope this helps..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on August 16, 2012, 11:53:35 AM
Eso,

Lots of numbers get thrown around as to what sort of deposits first time buyers are looking at having to put down in the current climate. Realistically what would you say that a poker player with no real proof of income (holdem manager graphs at best) would need to put down on a £120k house. i.e. how much money do you have to throw at a mortgage broker to make him want to take your word for it that you'll pay him back :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 16, 2012, 11:59:27 AM
Eso,

Lots of numbers get thrown around as to what sort of deposits first time buyers are looking at having to put down in the current climate. Realistically what would you say that a poker player with no real proof of income (holdem manager graphs at best) would need to put down on a £120k house. i.e. how much money do you have to throw at a mortgage broker to make him want to take your word for it that you'll pay him back :D

My guess is 30k


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
Eso,

Lots of numbers get thrown around as to what sort of deposits first time buyers are looking at having to put down in the current climate. Realistically what would you say that a poker player with no real proof of income (holdem manager graphs at best) would need to put down on a £120k house. i.e. how much money do you have to throw at a mortgage broker to make him want to take your word for it that you'll pay him back :D
Hi Dan
A lot comes down to credit score as some lenders still look at 15% deposit but would want to see an amount on one bank statement for it to go through others want 3 wage slips which are obv hard to get for you Pro's.
I am sure there are ways of getting a deal through though.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: skolsuper on August 16, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Eso,

Lots of numbers get thrown around as to what sort of deposits first time buyers are looking at having to put down in the current climate. Realistically what would you say that a poker player with no real proof of income (holdem manager graphs at best) would need to put down on a £120k house. i.e. how much money do you have to throw at a mortgage broker to make him want to take your word for it that you'll pay him back :D

I got a 115k mortgage on a £150k house, speak to an IFA, a good one will 100% be able to get you a mortgage if you can genuinely afford it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on August 16, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
Dan, it's far from easy to use poker monies as proof of earning. When I bought my fist house 7 years ago I was playing full time / in between standard jobs and not one provider through a good broker would take into account my 'wages' whatever they were as it wasn't guaranteed. Fortunately my missus earnt enough and we had a big enough deposit to get around it but I was very surprised they took such an attitude.... I mean I had spreadsheets and graphs and all sorts :-)

The higher the deposit the better here but I reckon minimum you would need to get any decent deal would be 20%


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 16, 2012, 01:44:36 PM
What do you think of lease mortgages?

My friend told me something about them but I am not too sure if its a good idea to go down?
Sorry Paul do you mean a mortgage on a leasehold property?

No

say a Landlord has a mortgage that he is struggling to pay because the property is empty, have bad tenants or bad agent
and it is almost in the process of getting repossessed.

You can lease their property off them for x amount of years and have an option to buy at the end of the term with a set price agreed within the lease.




Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
What do you think of lease mortgages?

My friend told me something about them but I am not too sure if its a good idea to go down?
Sorry Paul do you mean a mortgage on a leasehold property?

No

say a Landlord has a mortgage that he is struggling to pay because the property is empty, have bad tenants or bad agent
and it is almost in the process of getting repossessed.

You can lease their property off them for x amount of years and have an option to buy at the end of the term with a set price agreed within the lease.



Oh I see, well I have never heard of that way around but have seen companies who will do that for clients who are on the verge of reposession and they will give you X (normally a lower than market value figure due to need for speed and their goal of making a few ££) for the property and you lease it back off them with the option of buying it back at an agreed amount at the start.

This seems a good idea for people in trouble but in reality in most cases they have got themselves in that situation and even though in the short term they will be ok I would guess very few ever get themselves back in a position to rebuy the property.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 16, 2012, 02:09:37 PM
What do you think of lease mortgages?

My friend told me something about them but I am not too sure if its a good idea to go down?
Sorry Paul do you mean a mortgage on a leasehold property?

No

say a Landlord has a mortgage that he is struggling to pay because the property is empty, have bad tenants or bad agent
and it is almost in the process of getting repossessed.

You can lease their property off them for x amount of years and have an option to buy at the end of the term with a set price agreed within the lease.



Oh I see, well I have never heard of that way around but have seen companies who will do that for clients who are on the verge of reposession and they will give you X (normally a lower than market value figure due to need for speed and their goal of making a few ££) for the property and you lease it back off them with the option of buying it back at an agreed amount at the start.

This seems a good idea for people in trouble but in reality in most cases they have got themselves in that situation and even though in the short term they will be ok I would guess very few ever get themselves back in a position to rebuy the property.
Sounds like Chinese loans and Triad stuff again to me :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on August 16, 2012, 06:39:37 PM
Rich, if i were looking for a career change and considered estate agency would i have to start right at the bottom and are there any qualifications i would need to achieve? I have always enjoyed following the property market and have dabbled myself with rentals. Apart from the obvious traits that are well characatured what makes a good estate agent?
Hey Greg, there are no qualifications required to be in agency as most people fall into it like me from other failed sales professions and when I am looking to employ I would rather employ someone with no EA experience than someone who has worked for 3-4 companies and then comes into our offices and says "well we didnt do that there".

In terms of where you would start it is defo most likely to be as a negotiator type role but the bigger companies will be inclined to fast track good candidates quickly and they like to employ from within so I would expect a decent 1st year negotiator to earn no less than £18k and if they earnt less than £15k then they are probaby in the wrong job.   Basic Salaries in the first year for this type of role are likely to be between 10-15k dependnat on how you negotiate yourself and if you are in a busy office you can earn early 20's, then when you start to value properties your basic can move upto late teens and you then earn by selling  and or listing properties and once you get to Assistant Branch Manager Status you can look at 35-40k income in an office turning over £300-325k.

If you are serious I would concentrate on the bigger companies EG   Bairstow Eves/Frank Innes/Spicer Haart Group as they will offer good development potential and have many other offices that wont hold back your progression if your happy to work in different offices in the East Mids.

Attributes I would be looking for are - (in no order)  Well Presented, Punctual, Reliable, Personable, Driving Licence, Confident as I can give them all the other skills over time myself.

Hope this helps..

Thanks. Pretty much as i thought. Might stick to Resourcing then :-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on August 17, 2012, 01:52:21 PM
Any over under 2.5 goals bets lined up for weekend or has Chompy's algorithmn (sp) gone rusty?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 17, 2012, 02:22:32 PM
Any over under 2.5 goals bets lined up for weekend or has Chompy's algorithmn (sp) gone rusty?

Haha, it was the sicilians algo thingy. Quoted tho, in the hope Chompy sees the comparison and tilts.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on August 17, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
oops


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
Any over under 2.5 goals bets lined up for weekend or has Chompy's algorithmn (sp) gone rusty?

Haha, it was the sicilians algo thingy. Quoted tho, in the hope Chompy sees the comparison and tilts.
Haha  yeah it was Sicilians Algorithm and he has not posted yet so I guess it has been having some fine tuning and we will see it for the 2012/13 season in a few weeks.

I have not played on these and wont for a couple of weeks to let the season bed in but have put a plethora of season long bets on and will post itt in a bit


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on August 18, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
have put a plethora of season long bets on and will post itt in a bit

weeeeee I'm in a punty mood today time to get on :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
I love the start of the footie season and as soon as the Racing Post publish their guide put on a few mug punterish accas on season long stuff and 3 out of the last 4 years I have returned well over a grand with my biggest bink paying for a chunk of my wedding as documented early on in the diary.

This year I was lucky enough to have a Rory Mcllroy bink a week ago along with another sports double which gave me a pre season roll of a grand to play with and over the past week I have invested the LOT and am going to post all my accas and selections here for hopefull thin bragging rights come the end of the season.  Posted in the oreder I fancy them the most

Man City over Liverpool
Man Utd over Liverpool
Newcastle over Sunderland
QPR over West Ham
Darren Bent to score more league goals vs S.Long
Cardiff over Bristol City
Hull over Barnsley
Leicester over Forest
Leeds over Barnsley   £400 acca

Chelsea over Liverpool
Cardiff over Forest
Bradford over Northampton
Barnsley to be relegated  £275 acca

Olympiacos to win the greek league
Cardiff over Forest
Reading over Southampton
Rotherham over Fleetwood
Chelsea without Man U and City  £80 Acca

Peterhead and Queens Park without Rangers
Luton to win the Blue Sq Prem
Barnsley to be relegated  2 x £30 Accas plus a further 2 x £15 accas with
Sheff Utd to win League 1
Southampton to be relegated


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Part 2

Barnsley to be relegated
MK Dons to be promoted
Jelavic top Everton league scorer
Leicester over Forest  £90 acca

Malaga EW without Barcelona & R.Madrid
Prem Handicap (Hills)  QPR+37, Everton +27, Reading +46
League 1 Handicap  Sheff Utd Scr, MK Dons +3
6 x £3.50 EW Trebles

Prem Handicap   West Ham, Southampton, Reading, Stoke, QPR, Everton  (Laddies)
Champ Handicap  Leicester, Cardiff, Blackpool, Watford, Burnley
League 1 Handicap   Sheff Utd, MK Dons, Preston, Bournemouth, Notts County, Yeovil
League 2 Handicap   Rotherham, Southend, Bradford, Northampton, Torquay, Aldershot
1080 x 4p ew accas + 1080 4p win accas

and finally

Torres Top Chelsea league scorer
Jelavic Top Everton league scorer
Accrington to be relegated
Reading over Southampton
Leicester over Forest
£50 acca

They will all now be locked away and not looked at again untill the end of November!!!
Although some people will look at it in terms of a grand being layed out I personally find that it stops weekly punting just for the sake of it as you normally have a few sweats and are funking or antifunking different teams enough that you only bet on what you really fancy.  Works for me anyways...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: George2Loose on August 18, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
Do u just randomly put accas together or is there method to it?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 18, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
Do u just randomly put accas together or is there method to it?
I take a bit of time to see who has signed who and read the Racing Post football pullout back to front a gazillion times (out about 2 weeks before the season) listen what respected posters on here and others I know fancy then spend a bit of time sourcing the odds and putting mini acca's around that I like with the different bookies and then watch.

The first one for example pays over 4.5k and most pay a minumimum of a grand and the handicap one across all the leagues pays 6k ftw just on the win part so if you have a few sweats around Xmas you can always hedge the other way in the last few weeks if required but the main reason is now having placed it I wont bet on footie for weeks unless some judges put up a really good selection so in theory it saves me x per week on a 3/4/5 fold and if I get a bink it gets used for something decent for the family.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 19, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
A little surprised to see that you've included Malaga in there who seem to be in huge financial trouble and have just sold their best player Cazorla to Arsenal. I think virtually the whole squad is up for sale.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on August 19, 2012, 04:34:23 PM
Algothigamywotsit needs fresh data won't be around for a while..chomp obv knows nothing about footie he supports Peterborough .... Which is only a place u would want to go to to get a quick passport and nothing else


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on August 19, 2012, 08:31:26 PM

Good Luck with those accas Eso


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Doobs on August 19, 2012, 08:42:49 PM
I love the start of the footie season and as soon as the Racing Post publish their guide put on a few mug punterish accas on season long stuff and 3 out of the last 4 years I have returned well over a grand with my biggest bink paying for a chunk of my wedding as documented early on in the diary.

This year I was lucky enough to have a Rory Mcllroy bink a week ago along with another sports double which gave me a pre season roll of a grand to play with and over the past week I have invested the LOT and am going to post all my accas and selections here for hopefull thin bragging rights come the end of the season.  Posted in the oreder I fancy them the most

Man City over Liverpool
Man Utd over Liverpool
Newcastle over Sunderland
QPR over West Ham
Darren Bent to score more league goals vs S.Long
Cardiff over Bristol City
Hull over Barnsley
Leicester over Forest
Leeds over Barnsley   £400 acca

Chelsea over Liverpool
Cardiff over Forest
Bradford over Northampton
Barnsley to be relegated  £275 acca

Olympiacos to win the greek league
Cardiff over Forest
Reading over Southampton
Rotherham over Fleetwood
Chelsea without Man U and City  £80 Acca

Peterhead and Queens Park without Rangers
Luton to win the Blue Sq Prem
Barnsley to be relegated  2 x £30 Accas plus a further 2 x £15 accas with
Sheff Utd to win League 1
Southampton to be relegated


Surely you have a couple of related bets in that top one. 

If man city beat Liverpool, then man u are more likely to beat Liverpool.  Same with the two over Barnsley?   Hate the idea of putting a bet on where the bookie can decide the price in areas. I assume that will happen here, but maybe someone will correct me. Obv Liverpool are terrible so first two legs weighed in already too.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
A little surprised to see that you've included Malaga in there who seem to be in huge financial trouble and have just sold their best player Cazorla to Arsenal. I think virtually the whole squad is up for sale.
That was inlcuded as I had read something about them and probs the one I put least amount of time into  :(  obv with the handicap parts it's a million anyway but hopefull of a small sweat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
I love the start of the footie season and as soon as the Racing Post publish their guide put on a few mug punterish accas on season long stuff and 3 out of the last 4 years I have returned well over a grand with my biggest bink paying for a chunk of my wedding as documented early on in the diary.

This year I was lucky enough to have a Rory Mcllroy bink a week ago along with another sports double which gave me a pre season roll of a grand to play with and over the past week I have invested the LOT and am going to post all my accas and selections here for hopefull thin bragging rights come the end of the season.  Posted in the oreder I fancy them the most

Man City over Liverpool
Man Utd over Liverpool
Newcastle over Sunderland
QPR over West Ham
Darren Bent to score more league goals vs S.Long
Cardiff over Bristol City
Hull over Barnsley
Leicester over Forest
Leeds over Barnsley   £400 acca

Chelsea over Liverpool
Cardiff over Forest
Bradford over Northampton
Barnsley to be relegated  £275 acca

Olympiacos to win the greek league
Cardiff over Forest
Reading over Southampton
Rotherham over Fleetwood
Chelsea without Man U and City  £80 Acca

Peterhead and Queens Park without Rangers
Luton to win the Blue Sq Prem
Barnsley to be relegated  2 x £30 Accas plus a further 2 x £15 accas with
Sheff Utd to win League 1
Southampton to be relegated


Surely you have a couple of related bets in that top one. 

If man city beat Liverpool, then man u are more likely to beat Liverpool.  Same with the two over Barnsley?   Hate the idea of putting a bet on where the bookie can decide the price in areas. I assume that will happen here, but maybe someone will correct me. Obv Liverpool are terrible so first two legs weighed in already too.
Hi Doobs
Due to the size of the bets and the returns on most of them they ring through and check them and the top 2 they certainly did and have signed the slip with the bet ref so I am hopefull if they bink that I shall be collecting, I always ask them to check these before accepting as when I had  my big footie acca win a few years back Totesport tried to wriggle out of it until I quoted their own rules back to them.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 22, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
Chipleader Update

Well Im still grinding 26 euro from the money deposited a while ago and playing micro stakes cash alongside the 4-5 sng's when I can get on the lappy and last night from 5 played won a 20 man and a 10 man for a further 22500 chips to go with the 122500 already banked.

I think I will just grind out the last few euros then chillax on my stack.


In unrelated but excellent news today we are pleased to announce that Petra and myself are expecting our second child and have been for our first scan at the hospital and thankfully all is as well as can be at this early stage  :)   Obv I run good even in hospitals as we get there 10mins early for a 9.30 appt to be greeted by at least 15 other sets of expectant parents and as soon as we had sat down we were called through and out within 25 mins...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on August 22, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Congrats mate about the baby. Keep you brags about winning 2/5 tho :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dewi_cool on August 22, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Llongyfarchiadau Mr & Mrs K


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on August 22, 2012, 11:12:44 AM
Wiiiiiiiiiiii, congrats another Blacklock. If its a boy call him Randy.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Graham C on August 22, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Congratulations to you both!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on August 22, 2012, 11:50:26 AM
Congrats Sir.

Multai FTW


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on August 22, 2012, 12:23:55 PM
Congratulations to you both!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: CHIPPYMAN on August 22, 2012, 12:30:38 PM
Chipleader Update

Well Im still grinding 26 euro from the money deposited a while ago and playing micro stakes cash alongside the 4-5 sng's when I can get on the lappy and last night from 5 played won a 20 man and a 10 man for a further 22500 chips to go with the 122500 already banked.

I think I will just grind out the last few euros then chillax on my stack.


In unrelated but excellent news today we are pleased to announce that Petra and myself are expecting our second child and have been for our first scan at the hospital and thankfully all is as well as can be at this early stage  :)   Obv I run good even in hospitals as we get there 10mins early for a 9.30 appt to be greeted by at least 15 other sets of expectant parents and as soon as we had sat down we were called through and out within 25 mins...

With the times u spent on poker, work n ur blog , I'm amazed u still had time
to produced  a second baby !!! Must b a really really quickie one mate.
Congrats congrats


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: kinboshi on August 22, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on August 22, 2012, 12:42:08 PM
Congrats!

Two more sharky property tycoon on the way, god help the rest of us =/


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobby1 on August 22, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Chipleader Update

Well Im still grinding 26 euro from the money deposited a while ago and playing micro stakes cash alongside the 4-5 sng's when I can get on the lappy and last night from 5 played won a 20 man and a 10 man for a further 22500 chips to go with the 122500 already banked.

I think I will just grind out the last few euros then chillax on my stack.


In unrelated but excellent news today we are pleased to announce that Petra and myself are expecting our second child and have been for our first scan at the hospital and thankfully all is as well as can be at this early stage  :)   Obv I run good even in hospitals as we get there 10mins early for a 9.30 appt to be greeted by at least 15 other sets of expectant parents and as soon as we had sat down we were called through and out within 25 mins...

great news mate, all the best.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on August 22, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
Excellent news, many congratulations.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 22, 2012, 03:33:20 PM
Excellent news, many congratulations.

A big +1 on this.

How many kids do you and your good wife want?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on August 22, 2012, 03:51:52 PM
Excellent news, many congratulations.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 22, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
Nice one Rich, Pleased for you both


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on August 22, 2012, 07:24:50 PM
Huge congrats, lovely news


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 22, 2012, 08:25:42 PM
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Great news Rich wp

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on August 22, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Congratulations mate!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on August 22, 2012, 11:18:12 PM
Awesome news fella, congrats to ya all.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on August 23, 2012, 05:00:35 AM
Wiiiii

Congrats mate, don't forget youre buying me dinner Friday x


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on August 23, 2012, 07:26:08 AM
Great news Rich congrats!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on August 23, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
Wiiiii

Congrats mate, don't forget youre buying me dinner Friday x

I'm sure there's a joke in that about extra mouths to feed but I can't quite find it.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 23, 2012, 11:21:20 AM
Many Thanks on the Grats from everyone!

@ Bobalike  I think we would be happy with somewhere from 2-4 but we will see

@ Bobalike2 (Celtic) Remember it is the 31st I am buying you dinner after the outlaws have gone home.


Played 3 more SNG's on the chipleader comp last night and didnt win one of them  :( but on the one table of 10c/25c I was playing alongside we did a win of 1 1/2 buyins to pay for some more!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2012, 10:03:16 AM
Played 4 more SNG's last night 3 x 10man and 1 x 20man and bricked the first two before shipping both the others for a further 22500 to be added to the 145000 already banked but annoyingly I lost half a buyin at the cash when somehow I lose with  Jh Kh on  Kd Qh 6h so only have 29euro left to throw at the Chipleader now and then that's it!

I am backing a couple of horses today

Seamus Shindig   on at 10/1 early in the 5.10 Goodwood  £23 ew

and

Bordoni  16/1 @ 16/1 in the 7.05 Hamilton  £20 e/w plus a £7ew double

Plus I like the look of Lujeanie in the 5.15 Nmkt and will have an e/w single.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: horseplayer on August 24, 2012, 11:12:05 AM
enjoy the diary

dont you thinks ss has gone a bit this season?

hasnt shown any spark to me yet


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2012, 11:47:04 AM
enjoy the diary

dont you thinks ss has gone a bit this season?

hasnt shown any spark to me yet
Cheers Horsey
Yeah I have backed it twice this year once after it was kept completely out of the race won by Valmina and once more dissapointingly at Lingfield at the start of August but it is now 6lbs below last winning mark and one of two tracks this and Bath I personally reckon will pop up at plus was 12/1 last night and now an average of 9/1 so having missed the 12/1 last night had a bit at 10's.

Bordoni is now a non runner so it's all about the Shindig, I fancied Bordoni as it ran in a very hot historical race won by Scatter Dice that quite a few winners have popped up from!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: horseplayer on August 25, 2012, 11:56:20 AM
showed a bit more yesterday tbf



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 25, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
showed a bit more yesterday tbf


Agreed I will defo look out for the next entry!!

Made a miniscule profit y/day from the place part on Shindig and the non runner only for Lujeanie to finish 4th but it could have been worse!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 25, 2012, 01:12:12 PM
Yesterday in the Chipleader was a bit of this...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png[/img]](http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png) (http://[IMG)

Played 3 - 3rd in one, 2nd in one and 1st in one to add another 10k chips to the stack but I only have 15euro left from the £250 I allocated in qualifying so when it's gone it's gone!


Despite a cracking start to the month on sales and whilst still being top office out of our 3 local offices we have now not sold a property for 10 days and going into the bank holiday weekend that is quite worrying but is mildly expected as we work in a fairly money'd area and loads of our prospective clients (buyers and sellers) are away at the moment.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: h on August 25, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
Yesterday in the Chipleader was a bit of this...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png[/img]](http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png) (http://[IMG)

Played 3 - 3rd in one, 2nd in one and 1st in one to add another 10k chips to the stack but I only have 15euro left from the £250 I allocated in qualifying so when it's gone it's gone!

Despite a cracking start to the month on sales and whilst still being top office out of our 3 local offices we have now not sold a property for 10 days and going into the bank holiday weekend that is quite worrying but is mildly expected as we work in a fairly money'd area and loads of our prospective clients (buyers and sellers) are away at the moment.



i think this is good value €100 k gtd max 333 runners so buy in €300 assume runners are met (still need over 200 more) and you will have i think twice average stack
other way of looking at it is chip value

as of today
CURRENT MAIN EVENT PRIZEPOOL
€36,405.00

Total Chips in Play:
7,752,500

so your 177500 = €833

i still think your a luck box tho  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 25, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
Yesterday in the Chipleader was a bit of this...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png[/img]](http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6817/321dr.png) (http://[IMG)

Played 3 - 3rd in one, 2nd in one and 1st in one to add another 10k chips to the stack but I only have 15euro left from the £250 I allocated in qualifying so when it's gone it's gone!

Despite a cracking start to the month on sales and whilst still being top office out of our 3 local offices we have now not sold a property for 10 days and going into the bank holiday weekend that is quite worrying but is mildly expected as we work in a fairly money'd area and loads of our prospective clients (buyers and sellers) are away at the moment.



i think this is good value €100 k gtd max 333 runners so buy in €300 assume runners are met (still need over 200 more) and you will have i think twice average stack
other way of looking at it is chip value

as of today
CURRENT MAIN EVENT PRIZEPOOL
€36,405.00

Total Chips in Play:
7,752,500

so your 177500 = €833

i still think your a luck box tho  ;)
Hahaha   pot kettle calling black springs to mind!! ;)

I wonder if it will make the 333 runners but can see loads of circa 15k stacks trying in the last week but am happy with my outlay so far and chips as I'm sure you are!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on August 25, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Great news on the baby Rich, wd m8


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 25, 2012, 03:15:33 PM
Great news on the baby Rich, wd m8
Cheers mate

How's life?  Still abroad?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
How hard is it living with a pregnant woman?

I have to say I forgot how hard it is and how much they change in the first 10-16weeks it's as if someone has taken over her body and this devil has been implanted with eveything you do or say being the wrong thin, luckily I have patience in abundance so just sit there quietly and then get chastised for not saying anything  ;)

Here is baby Eso2 on his/her first (well actually second but we were asked back this week to fully date the pregnancy) scan taken today and fingers crossed all looks good with the due date being 13/3/2013 when it will GG life again for a few months well weeks at least  :P, if all goes as planned then we will be looking to have another home birth like we did last time but we shall see.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8263/babyom.jpg[/img]](http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8263/babyom.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)

Away from that the outlaws go back to Slovakia tomorrow having been here for 2 weeks staying with us and after dropping them at the station I will be driving up to DTD and late regging the £500 and then driving back down South but coming back up Sat evening as am playing Rob HU for £1000 of DTD tourney credits that I won at the Blonde Bash and then hopefully day 2 and beyond of the deepstack.

The chipleader was coming to a grinding halt having spun my £250 into 180k and had 19euro left but then played one sng and stuck the rest on a 10c/25c and spun that into 50euro and won another couple of sng's including another 20man so currently have 200k and 4 golden chips of which 3 are worthless and a few more shots/spin ups over the next couple of weeks...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on August 29, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
Having had 4 kids(well not Literally) defo a baby boy Eso from the scan Rich, gl at weekend


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on August 31, 2012, 03:44:15 PM
Had a great day y/day after driving into London to drop off Petra's folks at Victoria Coach station I drive Petra back to Southend and then head upto Nottingham for the £500 which didnt go that well busting in level 12 or something but Claypole who had driven up Dubai and Celtic had donked off his stack early with "The Beltons" and Vinny and Dubai had bust leaving me a virtual freeroll for £150 @ 2/1 vs Dubai and my 4 horses with 120 left they were all still in but only 1 made day 2 and was just outside the top 25  :( and then when I bust I was watching Dubai and Ben Vinson on Roulette and Black Jack and then they wanted me to join in and as the 4 people who read this will know I am not a player of house games myself but in the interests of Karma and Rungood flicked in £100 and watched as Ben ironed it out in about 4 hands whilst we had a discussion on whether you should double down on 11 vs a dealers picture or 10.

What do you think and why?

So at this point Dubai has managed to shark £300 off Marky and decides the roulette will come RED RED so a carpet goes on the wheel and in pops RED 14  Oioi and he then sensible old me says well give Marky his ££ back and stick the £300 on and he berates me as now he either wins just £600 or £900 so being the legend that he is sticks with the plan and is All in on Red    RED 7 it is then and with £1200 Marky is reimbursed and the boys are back in the game so when we decide they want to play the juicy 5/5 PLO game and want to sit £500 deep each Vinny, Marky and myself buy 10% in each and they swap 35% in each other so we go and rail and eventually Shallow gets a seat next to Bambos and Ben has to sit in the NLH reg game.

2 hours later Ben is still grinding £500 and Shallow is upto £1500 before potting a raise from the bb after mp raises and a 3b from Bambos otb which gets flatted and with just under a pot sized bet left he jams the flop of  7c 9c Jd which gets insta snapped and it looks like GG but as the great man himself says "it's 2012 and we all win" JK who was dealing rolls off the  3d turn and Qs and Shallow declares 2 pair and Bambos starts shaking his head with Vinny now stood behind mouthing to me whilst looking at Bambos's cards were good but lucky as he held  7h 9h Js x and Shallow with  Aspades Ahrt 3h Qs and we are upto £3k which soon becomes 5k then a peak of 8k beofre a small loss and at 2.45am Dubai now decides the game is too good and wants to stay so fades the lift home and cashes us in locked at £530 return and vinny and myself head down the M1 with me rolling in at 5.40 am after a stop for some food on the way home to break up the journey and I was up at 7.30 and in the office by 8.15 as per usual.

Those were the days...
Back up tomorrow to play Rob HU for £1000 in tourney credits and am going to top up the seat I won on Weds by £60odd and have a crack at the satelite for the CPP at DTD on sunday hoping to win a seat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on August 31, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
Had a great day y/day after driving into London to drop off Petra's folks at Victoria Coach station I drive Petra back to Southend and then head upto Nottingham for the £500 which didnt go that well busting in level 12 or something but Claypole who had driven up Dubai and Celtic had donked off his stack early with "The Beltons" and Vinny and Dubai had bust leaving me a virtual freeroll for £150 @ 2/1 vs Dubai and my 4 horses with 120 left they were all still in but only 1 made day 2 and was just outside the top 25  :( and then when I bust I was watching Dubai and Ben Vinson on Roulette and Black Jack and then they wanted me to join in and as the 4 people who read this will know I am not a player of house games myself but in the interests of Karma and Rungood flicked in £100 and watched as Ben ironed it out in about 4 hands whilst we had a discussion on whether you should double down on 11 vs a dealers picture or 10.

What do you think and why?

So at this point Dubai has managed to shark £300 off Marky and decides the roulette will come RED RED so a carpet goes on the wheel and in pops RED 14  Oioi and he then sensible old me says well give Marky his ££ back and stick the £300 on and he berates me as now he either wins just £600 or £900 so being the legend that he is sticks with the plan and is All in on Red    RED 7 it is then and with £1200 Marky is reimbursed and the boys are back in the game so when we decide they want to play the juicy 5/5 PLO game and want to sit £500 deep each Vinny, Marky and myself buy 10% in each and they swap 35% in each other so we go and rail and eventually Shallow gets a seat next to Bambos and Ben has to sit in the NLH reg game.

2 hours later Ben is still grinding £500 and Shallow is upto £1500 before potting a raise from the bb after mp raises and a 3b from Bambos otb which gets flatted and with just under a pot sized bet left he jams the flop of  7c 9c Jd which gets insta snapped and it looks like GG but as the great man himself says "it's 2012 and we all win" JK who was dealing rolls off the  3d turn and Qs and Shallow declares 2 pair and Bambos starts shaking his head with Vinny now stood behind mouthing to me whilst looking at Bambos's cards were good but lucky as he held  7h 9h Js x and Shallow with  Aspades Ahrt 3h Qs and we are upto £3k which soon becomes 5k then a peak of 8k beofre a small loss and at 2.45am Dubai now decides the game is too good and wants to stay so fades the lift home and cashes us in locked at £530 return and vinny and myself head down the M1 with me rolling in at 5.40 am after a stop for some food on the way home to break up the journey and I was up at 7.30 and in the office by 8.15 as per usual.

Those were the days...
Back up tomorrow to play Rob HU for £1000 in tourney credits and am going to top up the seat I won on Weds by £60odd and have a crack at the satelite for the CPP at DTD on sunday hoping to win a seat.
Good day had by all !!
If I dont  make day two or bust early day two I am doing he same with my extra seat .....either way see you Sunday pal!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 02, 2012, 09:03:07 AM
Sorry if I've missed this somewhere, but have you played Rob HU yet?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2012, 12:24:50 PM
Sorry if I've missed this somewhere, but have you played Rob HU yet?

Unfortunately not as last night he decided he had lost enough for the day with the overlay so we didnt play :(

This meant I was left in the bar with some hero's and then played the cpp satty to the satty when alas my KK could not outdraw 99 with 20left for pretty much a seat.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 03, 2012, 02:19:14 AM
Sorry if I've missed this somewhere, but have you played Rob HU yet?

Unfortunately not as last night he decided he had lost enough for the day with the overlay so we didnt play :(

This meant I was left in the bar with some hero's and then played the cpp satty to the satty when alas my KK could not outdraw 99 with 20left for pretty much a seat.

u go back up especially to play Rob?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on September 03, 2012, 07:08:00 AM
Gratz on the future addition to the family and gratz on the CPP seat. Woop woop.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on September 03, 2012, 07:09:38 AM
Good work on both counts !


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 03, 2012, 08:02:39 AM
Oi Oi wtf I can only see the updates on some bowl £500 comp then checked Dtd for the main event wp mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 03, 2012, 08:03:43 AM
Long day at work today for our hero ..after blinking a seat at 4ish this morning and driving straight home !!

Great result mate ....will be worth it Come November !! Well done Rich

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/bye/bon-voyage-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/bon.voyage-emoticon-2585.html)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: nirvana on September 03, 2012, 08:24:56 AM
Great result Rich, well pleased for you


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2012, 08:31:20 AM
Siiiiiiiiiick work. Make sure to get some factor 50 on that head of yours fella.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on September 03, 2012, 08:31:53 AM
Brilliant news, congratulations Rich!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: sm00035 on September 03, 2012, 08:53:22 AM
boooooooooom. n1 mate


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2012, 08:54:09 AM
Mad Tekkers!!

Cant believe I am sat at work typing this having started the satty at 5pm yesterday arvo using my extra seat from the £500 and topping up the £64 I decided to stick with the initial 10k starting stack and going into the final level had 20 bigs so was then either going to double through or use my 2 reloads and unfortunately it was the latter but I had my best mate form Southend next to me all day who also got a seat (Steve O'Keefe) and when we were down to 12 I was lucky enough to have double average and then picked up some good cards and spots but lost a big pot my  Aspades Ts vs Steves  Jc Kd AIPF to leave me with 85k so was shoving for a bit and chipped back up to 160k for the FT.

I got some decent cards and everyone was just folding so I kept opening but got a lucky river when barreling AK to virtually lock me a seat and when we were down to 6 players one said he was not sure he could make it so would take £5k if we all gave him a grand, luckily I had £700 of winning betting slips from the day so he took them instead!! WAL

Left at 445am and stopped at Newport Pagnall services for a 10min power nap and got home at 7.20, had a quick shave and shower and straight to work  :)

Cheers Guys!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on September 03, 2012, 08:57:14 AM

Outrageous dedication!

Well done Rich.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Laxie on September 03, 2012, 09:03:44 AM
Very well done!!!  Good luck staying awake today.   :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2012, 09:04:25 AM
Very well done!!!  Good luck staying awake today.   :D
TY Redbull and Lucozade FTW!!  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bookiebasher on September 03, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
Great news. Well done Rich !!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on September 03, 2012, 09:29:23 AM
I'm amazed at your energy you're starting to make tikay look like a lightweight.

Congrats. on the binkage, just reward for your efforts.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 03, 2012, 09:35:13 AM
Well done Rich..life is good..grats on the new Baby too cant remember if I said...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2012, 09:41:13 AM
Well done Rich..life is good..grats on the new Baby too cant remember if I said...
Thanks Deano

Hurry up and find us some over 2.5 goals winners tho hey!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 03, 2012, 09:43:00 AM
Oioi, great result m8 congrats!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 03, 2012, 09:45:50 AM
Oioioi. Great result fish.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
Oioioi. Great result fish.
You missed out on a free Nando's yesterday but Monda enjoyed it!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: edgascoigne on September 03, 2012, 10:13:44 AM
Congratulations on the CPP Rich and nice to meet you the other day and put a face to a name.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on September 03, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
Oioioi. Great result fish.
You missed out on a free Nando's yesterday but Monda enjoyed it!!!

Nando's inspired the victory ldo, I also feel our chat at 6:30 am would've been very helpful :P

Congrats, abs boss.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 03, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
Oioioi. Great result fish.
You missed out on a free Nando's yesterday but Monda enjoyed it!!!

FML, at least I have a trip to st Kitts to look forward to now, to make up for it :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on September 03, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
Best stock up on that suncream to protect that baldy bonce of yours :-)
Good work, well done


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
Best stock up on that suncream to protect that baldy bonce of yours :-)
Good work, well done

Steal jokes much?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on September 03, 2012, 11:25:29 AM
Oi Oi Oi Oi

That is all....great result mate, dont know how you do it - I am hanging after a 3.50am finish


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: david3103 on September 03, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
Top result sir

WP
VWP

power naps ftw by the way - I find having a coffee/energy drink before I nap is even more effective (tip given to me by a very experienced long distance driver)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on September 03, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
Drive on an empty motoway, get to office, Sleep in chair, wake up and post on blonde. #easylife


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on September 03, 2012, 05:00:42 PM
Best stock up on that suncream to protect that baldy bonce of yours :-)
Good work, well done

Steal jokes much?

Sorry, you already post this, havent read back previous pages. Guess it must have been an easy tap in :-)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
Best stock up on that suncream to protect that baldy bonce of yours :-)
Good work, well done

Steal jokes much?

Sorry, you already post this, havent read back previous pages. Guess it must have been an easy tap in :-)
:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on September 03, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
Congrats mate, such a Boss...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: DMorgan on September 04, 2012, 02:48:57 AM
Good to finally meet the man himself this weekend, congrats on the bink


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 04, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
I am no longer sleep deprived!!

Got in from work and after bathing Max and putting him to sleep (if only someone could do that for me sometime) I had dinner and that was it and I was gone until 7am this morning  :) which was nice.

Woke up and quickly checked to see how Zero had got on in the final and am so chuffed he got a big score which must mean it's coming back round to Cambridge Al's turn again now  ;) (not that he ever reads here)

Over the weekend I was drinking with a few hero's namely  Sammy Mc, Dan Morgan and Monda with various others popping over and I wondered is it just me but when you are drinking with Monda do you have to become a Geordie so you understand the lingo?
Anyway he is a ledge and never stops talking even when he bowls into the bedroom at 7am in the morning having been on it since 7pm!!

Today though I am very proud of Petra as a few weeks ago she started work on her website for the photography business and has now launched it so feel free to click and have a look

http://www.photographybypetra.co.uk/ (http://www.photographybypetra.co.uk/)

You will even see Dubai in a few of the shots in the galleries and hopefully you will agree she has a good eye for this and hopefully it can really take off. We are going to get as many people as we can to LIKE her site on FB and am thinking of offering some free photo shoot so if I need to call on you guys I shall do!!

Now where is St.Kitts again...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 04, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
Gl mate. Just tried to look and asked me to install flash as I am on the iPhone so will check it out when I get home.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: istrabraq on September 04, 2012, 07:12:32 PM
Made up for you have brill time


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on September 04, 2012, 07:15:50 PM
Rich and Dave in St Kitts, Hold the front page, should be great fun guys, Enjoy


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on September 04, 2012, 07:18:08 PM
Have a ball Rich.

Well desrerved.

Makes up for the Celtic Nando's shaninigans........


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on September 04, 2012, 07:26:02 PM
Have a ball Rich.

Well desrerved.

Makes up for the Celtic Nando's shaninigans........
Celtic has already booked the time off work I hear.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 08, 2012, 11:26:02 AM
Dinner with Vinny!!

I lost the hypothetical CC flip with Celtic and bought him dinner at Luton G last night and we late regged the £100 with 1 re-entry 12k gtd tourney on a good clock with a decent s/stack and they smashed the gtee on day1a so it will be a great prizepool for those left in obv, unfortunately it was not to be for me as despite finding a big call against the table big stack and loudmouth to double through in level 6 having sat quietly and folded for 3 hours I was then moved to table Celtic and proceeded to dust off a 60k stack in a series of pots aginst short stacks where I was the agressor on most occasions and then got unfortunate to bust out when I flopped a set of sixes on QJ6dd  bb cks I bet 30% pot  villain c/r from the BB and we flat and get it in on the 8h turn vs AA which also rivers a set and with no more cards to come and no more chips that was me done!!

Chatted to J Black for a goodly while and feel he will turn the corner now and start listening to all the hero's who are trying to help him  ;) except for the 10% of the time when he will spew or be creative as he put it :P but I hope he does listen!!

Today I have backed
Southend and MK Dons  both singles and am also having a small EW investment in Dandy Boy in the 3.25 Haydock but nothing really excites me today and this is the first punt I have had since Sunday.


My Chipleader challenge has now ended and I ended up playing 111 SNG's @ 5.50euro per SNG having deposited £250 and grinded micro stakes cash alongside the odd SNG so won just under 300 euro's during the past 4 weeks at either 5c/10c or 10c/25c playing a nitty style enabling me to play all the SNG's above with the following results

5 Man  played 13 and won 0

10 Man  played 71 and won 20 @7500 chips per win plus finished second 13 times @2500 chips per second = 182500 chips

20 Man  played 27 and won 6 @ 15000 chips per win and 0 seconds = 60000 chips and 6 redundant Golden Chips (in before THIN)

So this time next week we shall be sat down with 242500 at 1/200  hoping for a deep run beofre we go away to Malta for 2 weeks...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on September 08, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
Dinner with Vinny!!

I lost the hypothetical CC flip with Celtic and bought him dinner at Luton G last night and we late regged the £100 with 1 re-entry 12k gtd tourney on a good clock with a decent s/stack and they smashed the gtee on day1a so it will be a great prizepool for those left in obv, unfortunately it was not to be for me as despite finding a big call against the table big stack and loudmouth to double through in level 6 having sat quietly and folded for 3 hours I was then moved to table Celtic and proceeded to dust off a 60k stack in a series of pots aginst short stacks where I was the agressor on most occasions and then got unfortunate to bust out when I flopped a set of sixes on QJ6dd  bb cks I bet 30% pot  villain c/r from the BB and we flat and get it in on the 8h turn vs AA which also rivers a set and with no more cards to come and no more chips that was me done!!

Chatted to J Black for a goodly while and feel he will turn the corner now and start listening to all the hero's who are trying to help him  ;) except for the 10% of the time when he will spew or be creative as he put it :P but I hope he does listen!!

Today I have backed
Southend and MK Dons  both singles and am also having a small EW investment in Dandy Boy in the 3.25 Haydock but nothing really excites me today and this is the first punt I have had since Sunday.


My Chipleader challenge has now ended and I ended up playing 111 SNG's @ 5.50euro per SNG having deposited £250 and grinded micro stakes cash alongside the odd SNG so won just under 300 euro's during the past 4 weeks at either 5c/10c or 10c/25c playing a nitty style enabling me to play all the SNG's above with the following results

5 Man  played 13 and won 0

10 Man  played 71 and won 20 @7500 chips per win plus finished second 13 times @2500 chips per second = 182500 chips

20 Man  played 27 and won 6 @ 15000 chips per win and 0 seconds = 60000 chips and 6 redundant Golden Chips (in before THIN)

So this time next week we shall be sat down with 242500 at 1/200  hoping for a deep run beofre we go away to Malta for 2 weeks...

Nice

Good Luck Sir


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: jgcblack on September 08, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Nice one on the cl stack, I may grind up a bowl this week and join you. We will see how it goes..

Decent rate on the cash alongside it though, considered that?

Good chatting to you and nirvana last night.. Really hoping i can male a run.

I busted too, so no Luton trophies this weekend.



Also, best of luck with the photography, i may pick her brains if i ever meet her, im an aspiring amateur. :). (in most things)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on September 08, 2012, 03:23:24 PM
Interesting Chip leader stats.

Amazed you didnt win any 5 handed but if the 20 handed are that soft I might try them :)

Played 1 ten handed 0 chips

Played 24 5 handed 7 wins for 35000 chips...not sure if Im going to grind a lot tho' as happy to play live day with 40-60K


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 08, 2012, 03:32:54 PM
Nice one on the cl stack, I may grind up a bowl this week and join you. We will see how it goes..

Decent rate on the cash alongside it though, considered that?

Good chatting to you and nirvana last night.. Really hoping i can male a run.

I busted too, so no Luton trophies this weekend.



Also, best of luck with the photography, i may pick her brains if i ever meet her, im an aspiring amateur. :). (in most things)
Just get50k JB!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 08, 2012, 03:33:53 PM
Interesting Chip leader stats.

Amazed you didnt win any 5 handed but if the 20 handed are that soft I might try them :)

Played 1 ten handed 0 chips

Played 24 5 handed 7 wins for 35000 chips...not sure if Im going to grind a lot tho' as happy to play live day with 40-60K
Yh I started playing them but never got on with them so sacked them off,  nh with the soft 20 handed tho  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 08, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
Thanks for dinner last night.

Unlucky with the exit hand, was genuinely gutted for you.

I bust last level with k high flush v a high flush for 180k with average at 70.

Back today for more :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 08, 2012, 04:16:52 PM
Thanks for dinner last night.

Unlucky with the exit hand, was genuinely gutted for you.

I bust last level with k high flush v a high flush for 180k with average at 70.

Back today for more :(
Which bit of the banging the fist on the table and shouting BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM was the gutted bit?

YW though as ALWAYS  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 08, 2012, 05:16:45 PM
Thanks for dinner last night.

Unlucky with the exit hand, was genuinely gutted for you.

I bust last level with k high flush v a high flush for 180k with average at 70.

Back today for more :(
Which bit of the banging the fist on the table and shouting BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM was the gutted bit?

YW though as ALWAYS  ;)


Oops, thought you had left by then..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 08, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
Sigh.... you think you have it bad went to lunch with celtic and pizzled...at the end of lunch after stuffing themselves they both looked at me with soulful eyes and said..

'oh we haven't got any money '.................... sigh ...................


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on September 08, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
Sigh.... you think you have it bad went to lunch with celtic and pizzled...at the end of lunch after stuffing themselves they both looked at me with soulful eyes and said..

'oh we haven't got any money '.................... sigh ...................

Works everytime


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on September 08, 2012, 05:46:44 PM
Sigh.... you think you have it bad went to lunch with celtic and pizzled...at the end of lunch after stuffing themselves they both looked at me with soulful eyes and said..

'oh we haven't got any money '.................... sigh ...................

Sucker.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 08, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
Some standard Eso greatness today as had my first overs and both to score bets of the season with £20 on each and scooped a 57/1 winner   more to follow...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2012, 07:52:06 PM
Some standard Eso greatness today as had my first overs and both to score bets of the season with £20 on each and scooped a 57/1 winner   more to follow...

Nice of you to put them up before, so we could all punt  :)up


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: craigbetts on September 08, 2012, 07:52:32 PM
Some standard Eso greatness today as had my first overs and both to score bets of the season with £20 on each and scooped a 57/1 winner   more to follow...

WAL!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on September 08, 2012, 07:57:01 PM
Must be Grand :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2012, 11:34:42 AM
Never heard of this guy before but he is now a confirmed hero!!

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7682/93rdminute.jpg[/img]](http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7682/93rdminute.jpg) (http://[IMG)

Joe Skarz (picture not a Bury shirt) is the name and yesterday he scored a goal for Bury in the 93rd minute and it happened to be the last goal I required for a £20 acca on the both teams to score coupon at Laddies to cop £1196.07 see below

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9741/oioioip.jpg[/img]](http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9741/oioioip.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

This was the first of 2 bets placed yesterday for the season on goals (both £20) and obv's a nice way to start the season but was lucky as Sheff Utd had 2 men sent off and still managed to score late on!!


Today due to the win I am roped into some extra holiday shopping and my only bets of the day are going to be F.Massa to beat S.Vettel in a match bet 5/6 (£120) and both Force India cars to be in the points at 11/2  (£80) in the F1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ForthThistle on September 09, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
WAL...

Hope the Run good contunues buddy....  Till November...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
WAL...

Hope the Run good contunues buddy....  Till November...
and beyond hopefully!!

TY David.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on September 09, 2012, 11:39:45 AM
Like how mark the slip,      Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......

Nice bink.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2012, 11:44:45 AM
Like how mark the slip,      Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......

Nice bink.
;)

Was busy at work so was just sticking H or A as they scored and then when I just needed the one waited till the very end before letting of a BOOOOOOOOOOOOM in the office on my own.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: jgcblack on September 09, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Like how mark the slip,      Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......

Nice bink.
;)

Was busy at work so was just sticking H or A as they scored and then when I just needed the one waited till the very end before letting of a BOOOOOOOOOOOOM in the office on my own.

sick sweat.... bet that goal felt better than the money won... :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: leethefish on September 09, 2012, 05:19:05 PM
Nice one Rich


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 22, 2012, 08:46:35 PM
bump the thread and to announce the Sicilian sticking a pin in the paper alogowotsit has had its boiler stoked..a little teaser today 2 four folds 1 overs the other ftw..newcastle ftw tmmr to complete an 8/8..

Cant perform under the spotlight of FRED where the big boys just tear you to shreds..im with the mug puntering thread :)

Heres the best bit..i placed the bet a couple of days ago and forgot which welsh game i had backed... i thought it was TNS v  Bangor and I was sitting on the sofa sweating it at 2-0 when they scored the 3rd in the 90th minute ...cue fist pump im a genius time..looked at the bet and i had backed airbus..they were winning 4-0 at HT and went on to win 7-1..lol what a wasted sweat..... wiiiiiiiii !!

o.    Selections    Event    Event Date    E/W Terms    Odds    Result
1    Over 2.5    Derby v Burnley
(Total Goals)    22/09/2012    None    1.80    Won
2    Over 2.5    Sheff Wed v Bolton
(Total Goals)    22/09/2012    None    1.80    Won
3    Over 2.5    AFC Telford v Mansfield
(Total Goals)    22/09/2012    None    1.80    Won
4    Over 2.5    Newtown v Airbus UK
(Total Goals)    22/09/2012    None    1.47    Won

1    Chelsea    Chelsea v Stoke
(Full Time Result)    22/09/2012    None    1.40    Won
2    Southampton    Southampton v Aston Villa
(Full Time Result)    22/09/2012    None    2.25    Won
3    West Brom    West Brom v Reading
(Full Time Result)    22/09/2012    None    1.61    Won
4    Newcastle    Newcastle v Norwich
(Full Time Result)    23/09/2012    None    1.72    To Run

Also have a little NFL tmmr

buffalo ftw
buffalo over 42.5
bengals over 48.5

be warned i couldnt have been more wrong weeks 1 &2 :)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on September 23, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
well newcastle brought it home for 8/8 footie

2/3 on nfl missed the clean sweep by 5 points in the buffalo game mainly due to buffalo's star running back injured in the first half otherwise we walk this sighballs but 10/11 cant complain..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on October 04, 2012, 01:01:17 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!

Bink age  ;popcorn;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 04, 2012, 02:26:39 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!
you only have to pop to the toilet and there is pages of stuff to read on tips for Tikay. How does anyone have a job and still keep up here


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 04, 2012, 02:27:15 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!
you only have to pop to the toilet and there is pages of stuff to read on tips for Tikay. How does anyone have a job and still keep up here

keeping up is my job


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 04, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!
you only have to pop to the toilet and there is pages of stuff to read on tips for Tikay. How does anyone have a job and still keep up here

keeping up is my job
:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 12:09:06 PM
Back from Holiday now and had 2 weeks with no Blonde for a full break so just the 5 pages of threads to read now then  :(

Will update later on a bit of binkage and other general stuff!!
you only have to pop to the toilet and there is pages of stuff to read on tips for Tikay. How does anyone have a job and still keep up here
haha yh I have it open at work and caught up on unread posts so read the ones I wanted and get chance in between phone calls to browse/mark as read during the day rinse repeat...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
Well not updated since the chipleader comp which was pretty gross as lost a big hand in a std cooler bvb to drop from 400k to 200k (20bbs) bvb QQ v AA then 2 hands later lose A10 v 88 btn v sb for 150k and the rest next hand to bust out in 70th odd and to top it off as Leatherman will confirm I laid out circa £100 on the footie over that weekend and had backed Arsenal to win 4-1, 5-1 vs Southampton plus Stoke to Draw with Man City 1-1, 2-2 and no goalscorer in 6 x doubles so Theo Walcott put paid to that in the last couple of minutes and I was 1 team scoring off a £15 9 team both teams to score acca which would have paid £2400 so drew a blank in the pre holiday betting.

Then it was 2 solid days of work before flying to Malta for 2 weeks which consisted of 1 week in a friend of the families apartment in the seaside village of Marsascala which was lovely as had 3 good bedrooms and a big lounge/dining/kitchen space and 3 balconies and then we moved into a hotel in Buggiba once my mum had flown back to the Uk leaving us to have a break ourselves.

People always either love or hate Malta and I am definately in the formers camp even though I am biased by being half maltese and could see myself living there at some point in my life. Having been there many times over the years I still do all the touristy stuff visiting the sights there and will post some pics over the next few days and have loads of family over there who always want to spend time with you so I need 2 weeks or would never feel like I have had a break.

Max has flown quite a lot in his 18months as we frequently visit Slovakia to see his grandparents over there but this flight was 3 hours so was the longest we have had to entertain him and flying with Ryanair there is not a lot for him to do obv (god knows how we will get on with the 10 hour flight in Nov  ;) ) but he was ok and although we picked late Sept so the weather was cooler it was mid 30's for the first 10 days and way to hot till about 2pm to even think of being on the beach so visiting and sight seeing it was.  TBH he loved it over there and got spoilt rotten with attention and also developed a different kind of bond with me as normally he associates Dad coming home from work with bath/bedtime so spending 2 weeks of quality time with him was a really nice time although Petra got a bit jealous of him constantly wanting me as opposed to her and it gave her a nice break to relax.

Whilst away I called in a bet with Dubai and got very lucky as had £200 on Man Utd to beat Liverpool and was about to leave the beach bar I was watching in until Jonjo Shelvey got sent off which put me +£350 and then on the Tuesday called in a £150 over 2.5 goals double which was in before 70mins and got me to the heady heights of £800 and then after a few texts with Shallow we came to the conclusion that we liked over 3.5 goals in the Man Utd v Newcastle match plus I liked 2-2, 3-3 and if anyone watched the match I think we were pretty unlucky to not collect either bet with 2-2 or 3-3 winning about £1300 and any other over 3.5 goals score winning £275 so the 2-1 scoreline meant moving backwards to +£450 overall.

Unfortunately Mr S had some mobile phone probs and therefore I missed out on a £350 winner at 11/8 and a further £200 over goals dbl which would have resulted in a further £300 profit but I cant complain with a small bit of binkage and it's partly my own fault as I purposely didnt log onto to Blonde for the 2 weeks and when I did there was a PM from Dubai giving me his alt number  >:(

Will update on Malta, Maltese women and sunglasses when I have a bit more time and can  upload some photos.

Tomorrow I play the first event on my new staking package when I play the £150 at DTD and my main bet of the weekend is going to be centered around over goals inthe Walsall vs Carlisle match but not sure what yet!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: AlexMartin on October 05, 2012, 06:17:17 PM
Well not updated since the chipleader comp which was pretty gross as lost a big hand in a std cooler bvb to drop from 400k to 200k (20bbs) bvb QQ v AA then 2 hands later lose A10 v 88 btn v sb for 150k and the rest next hand to bust out in 70th odd and to top it off as Leatherman will confirm I laid out circa £100 on the footie over that weekend and had backed Arsenal to win 4-1, 5-1 vs Southampton plus Stoke to Draw with Man City 1-1, 2-2 and no goalscorer in 6 x doubles so Theo Walcott put paid to that in the last couple of minutes and I was 1 team scoring off a £15 9 team both teams to score acca which would have paid £2400 so drew a blank in the pre holiday betting.

Then it was 2 solid days of work before flying to Malta for 2 weeks which consisted of 1 week in a friend of the families apartment in the seaside village of Marsascala which was lovely as had 3 good bedrooms and a big lounge/dining/kitchen space and 3 balconies and then we moved into a hotel in Buggiba once my mum had flown back to the Uk leaving us to have a break ourselves.

People always either love or hate Malta and I am definately in the formers camp even though I am biased by being half maltese and could see myself living there at some point in my life. Having been there many times over the years I still do all the touristy stuff visiting the sights there and will post some pics over the next few days and have loads of family over there who always want to spend time with you so I need 2 weeks or would never feel like I have had a break.

Max has flown quite a lot in his 18months as we frequently visit Slovakia to see his grandparents over there but this flight was 3 hours so was the longest we have had to entertain him and flying with Ryanair there is not a lot for him to do obv (god knows how we will get on with the 10 hour flight in Nov  ;) ) but he was ok and although we picked late Sept so the weather was cooler it was mid 30's for the first 10 days and way to hot till about 2pm to even think of being on the beach so visiting and sight seeing it was.  TBH he loved it over there and got spoilt rotten with attention and also developed a different kind of bond with me as normally he associates Dad coming home from work with bath/bedtime so spending 2 weeks of quality time with him was a really nice time although Petra got a bit jealous of him constantly wanting me as opposed to her and it gave her a nice break to relax.

Whilst away I called in a bet with Dubai and got very lucky as had £200 on Man Utd to beat Liverpool and was about to leave the beach bar I was watching in until Jonjo Shelvey got sent off which put me +£350 and then on the Tuesday called in a £150 over 2.5 goals double which was in before 70mins and got me to the heady heights of £800 and then after a few texts with Shallow we came to the conclusion that we liked over 3.5 goals in the Man Utd v Newcastle match plus I liked 2-2, 3-3 and if anyone watched the match I think we were pretty unlucky to not collect either bet with 2-2 or 3-3 winning about £1300 and any other over 3.5 goals score winning £275 so the 2-1 scoreline meant moving backwards to +£450 overall.

Unfortunately Mr S had some mobile phone probs and therefore I missed out on a £350 winner at 11/8 and a further £200 over goals dbl which would have resulted in a further £300 profit but I cant complain with a small bit of binkage and it's partly my own fault as I purposely didnt log onto to Blonde for the 2 weeks and when I did there was a PM from Dubai giving me his alt number  >:(

Will update on Malta, Maltese women and sunglasses when I have a bit more time and can  upload some photos.

Tomorrow I play the first event on my new staking package when I play the £150 at DTD and my main bet of the weekend is going to be centered around over goals inthe Walsall vs Carlisle match but not sure what yet!!

do ittttt


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 05, 2012, 09:20:44 PM
just for you Mr Eso

A six fold backed up by a 5 fold and then 8 fold backed by a 7 fold...lets fish baby

1    Over 2.5    Southampton v Fulham
(Total Goals)    07/10/2012    None    1.70    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Leeds v Barnsley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Wed v Hull
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
4    Over 2.5    AFC Telford v Woking
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Cambridge Utd v Mansfield
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Newtown v Prestatyn Town
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.44    To Run

1    Over 2.5    Southampton v Fulham
(Total Goals)    07/10/2012    None    1.70    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Leeds v Barnsley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Wed v Hull
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
4    Over 2.5    AFC Telford v Woking
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Cambridge Utd v Mansfield
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Newtown v Prestatyn Town
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.44    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Crystal Palace v Burnley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ayr v Albion
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.60    To Run


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
just for you Mr Eso

A six fold backed up by a 5 fold and then 8 fold backed by a 7 fold...lets fish baby

1    Over 2.5    Southampton v Fulham
(Total Goals)    07/10/2012    None    1.70    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Leeds v Barnsley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Wed v Hull
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
4    Over 2.5    AFC Telford v Woking
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Cambridge Utd v Mansfield
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Newtown v Prestatyn Town
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.44    To Run

1    Over 2.5    Southampton v Fulham
(Total Goals)    07/10/2012    None    1.70    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Leeds v Barnsley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Sheff Wed v Hull
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
4    Over 2.5    AFC Telford v Woking
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Cambridge Utd v Mansfield
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.65    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Newtown v Prestatyn Town
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.44    To Run
7    Over 2.5    Crystal Palace v Burnley
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.75    To Run
8    Over 2.5    Ayr v Albion
(Total Goals)    06/10/2012    None    1.60    To Run
Oioi Deano  forgot to say WP last weekend on the selections itt but I missed it as away :(
Will have a pop tomoz though


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 09:26:49 PM
Well not updated since the chipleader comp which was pretty gross as lost a big hand in a std cooler bvb to drop from 400k to 200k (20bbs) bvb QQ v AA then 2 hands later lose A10 v 88 btn v sb for 150k and the rest next hand to bust out in 70th odd and to top it off as Leatherman will confirm I laid out circa £100 on the footie over that weekend and had backed Arsenal to win 4-1, 5-1 vs Southampton plus Stoke to Draw with Man City 1-1, 2-2 and no goalscorer in 6 x doubles so Theo Walcott put paid to that in the last couple of minutes and I was 1 team scoring off a £15 9 team both teams to score acca which would have paid £2400 so drew a blank in the pre holiday betting.

Then it was 2 solid days of work before flying to Malta for 2 weeks which consisted of 1 week in a friend of the families apartment in the seaside village of Marsascala which was lovely as had 3 good bedrooms and a big lounge/dining/kitchen space and 3 balconies and then we moved into a hotel in Buggiba once my mum had flown back to the Uk leaving us to have a break ourselves.

People always either love or hate Malta and I am definately in the formers camp even though I am biased by being half maltese and could see myself living there at some point in my life. Having been there many times over the years I still do all the touristy stuff visiting the sights there and will post some pics over the next few days and have loads of family over there who always want to spend time with you so I need 2 weeks or would never feel like I have had a break.

Max has flown quite a lot in his 18months as we frequently visit Slovakia to see his grandparents over there but this flight was 3 hours so was the longest we have had to entertain him and flying with Ryanair there is not a lot for him to do obv (god knows how we will get on with the 10 hour flight in Nov  ;) ) but he was ok and although we picked late Sept so the weather was cooler it was mid 30's for the first 10 days and way to hot till about 2pm to even think of being on the beach so visiting and sight seeing it was.  TBH he loved it over there and got spoilt rotten with attention and also developed a different kind of bond with me as normally he associates Dad coming home from work with bath/bedtime so spending 2 weeks of quality time with him was a really nice time although Petra got a bit jealous of him constantly wanting me as opposed to her and it gave her a nice break to relax.

Whilst away I called in a bet with Dubai and got very lucky as had £200 on Man Utd to beat Liverpool and was about to leave the beach bar I was watching in until Jonjo Shelvey got sent off which put me +£350 and then on the Tuesday called in a £150 over 2.5 goals double which was in before 70mins and got me to the heady heights of £800 and then after a few texts with Shallow we came to the conclusion that we liked over 3.5 goals in the Man Utd v Newcastle match plus I liked 2-2, 3-3 and if anyone watched the match I think we were pretty unlucky to not collect either bet with 2-2 or 3-3 winning about £1300 and any other over 3.5 goals score winning £275 so the 2-1 scoreline meant moving backwards to +£450 overall.

Unfortunately Mr S had some mobile phone probs and therefore I missed out on a £350 winner at 11/8 and a further £200 over goals dbl which would have resulted in a further £300 profit but I cant complain with a small bit of binkage and it's partly my own fault as I purposely didnt log onto to Blonde for the 2 weeks and when I did there was a PM from Dubai giving me his alt number  >:(

Will update on Malta, Maltese women and sunglasses when I have a bit more time and can  upload some photos.

Tomorrow I play the first event on my new staking package when I play the £150 at DTD and my main bet of the weekend is going to be centered around over goals inthe Walsall vs Carlisle match but not sure what yet!!

do ittttt
Hello Wizard  dw will defo be done but after the weekend!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
I now have my main bet of the weekend placed

Walsall vs Carlisle  £140 over 3.5 goals at 9/4 and £90 on over 4.5 goals at 11/2

Plus £40 e/w on Clayton at 7/1 in the 3.20 Newmarket tomorrow


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on October 05, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
 Kh
I now have my main bet of the weekend placed

Walsall vs Carlisle  £140 over 3.5 goals at 9/4 and £90 on over 4.5 goals at 11/2

Plus £40 e/w on Clayton at 7/1 in the 3.20 Newmarket tomorrow

Why not. I am on too.
I apologise in advance


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 05, 2012, 11:20:35 PM
Kh
I now have my main bet of the weekend placed

Walsall vs Carlisle  £140 over 3.5 goals at 9/4 and £90 on over 4.5 goals at 11/2

Plus £40 e/w on Clayton at 7/1 in the 3.20 Newmarket tomorrow

Why not. I am on too.
I apologise in advance
Might have to have a saver on 0-0 now then  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
Busy at work today before heading to DTD for the £150 and only other bet is a both teams to score acca for £30

Swansea v Reading
WBA v QPR
Leeds v Barnsley
S.Weds v Hull
Notts Co v Tranmere
Aldershot v Chesterfield
Southend v Barnet

Returns hopefully £1419.78


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on October 06, 2012, 11:49:57 AM
Good luck today mate!

These bets better come in ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2012, 11:54:32 AM
Good luck today mate!

These bets better come in ;)
Well if u have backed them we should be ok as ur one of the blessed!! ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2012, 05:06:22 PM
:( is all


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on October 06, 2012, 05:08:30 PM
:( is all

:(

Keep it going in the £150 mate and do a bink!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 06, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
:( is all

proper horrible today


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 01:17:06 PM
May as well wack up the NFl stuff... if nothing im brave enough to hang it out there : Some tough calls with any value this week but here goes...

1    CIN Bengals    MIA Dolphins @ CIN Bengals
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
2    ATL Falcons    ATL Falcons @ WAS Redskins
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
3    PIT Steelers    PHL Eagles @ PIT Steelers
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 50.5    SD Chargers @ NO Saints
(Game Totals)    08/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
5    Under 45.5    SEA Seahawks @ CAR Panthers
(Game Totals)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
6    MIN Vikings    TEN Titans @ MIN Vikings
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.41    To Run

6 fold backed by a 5 fold

Some brief notes...

Bengals have slipped into good form and with Aj green have the most potent receiver going against a secondary that hasnt convinced..bengals pass rush coming on line against a miami O line with a weakness at RT

Falcons offense one of the most balanced and accurate O's going against a Redskins D devestated by 2 of its best players out for the season..always gonna give up points and hopefully the decent falcons D can hold up RG3 enough to win...could be close and high scoring

like the steelers at home and have big returns from injury in polymanu and harrison on D and redman at Rb.... eagles hot and cold and liable to turn over the ball at any time...

over 50.5 in the saints game..bit conservative as both have high powered offense and saints cant defend or mount a pass rush..give rivers time and he will pick this weak saints secondary apart..on the other side brees is still awesome and will put the ball in the endzone regular should be a shootout..prob end 10-6 knowing my luck

under 45.5 in the seahawks ...seahawks one of the best D's in the game against a misfiring panthers although Cam Newton liable to do anything if he extends a broken play..seahawks having trouble scoring even against avg defense

vikings on a good run with a great run game in peterson  and Ponder at Qb looking quite good of late... Tennesea QB locker out and although hassleback not the worst bup titans stuggling on O'.... it may come down to chris Johnson and the run game to keep them in this


I also have a seperate £100 on the Texans -8 ..putting my money where my mouth is... Jets all over the place and injury to their best CB and an offense misfiring doesnt bode.. if given the chance I don't think Tebow is the answer to their problems.. also going up against the best D in the league and the most balanced offense in the league..Texans rated number 1 team overall atm....jets lost 34 -0 last week at home to San Fran who are similar to the texans in they play good D but maybe not quite as potent on O'...i fear the Jets are in for another drubbing this week..but its MNF and the NFL so anything can happen



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 01:21:14 PM
oh had to have a footie bet too

man u over 2.5
southampton over 2.5
spurs ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pizzled on October 07, 2012, 01:26:42 PM
May as well wack up the NFl stuff... if nothing im brave enough to hang it out there : Some tough calls with any value this week but here goes...

1    CIN Bengals    MIA Dolphins @ CIN Bengals
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
2    ATL Falcons    ATL Falcons @ WAS Redskins
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
3    PIT Steelers    PHL Eagles @ PIT Steelers
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 50.5    SD Chargers @ NO Saints
(Game Totals)    08/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
5    Under 45.5    SEA Seahawks @ CAR Panthers
(Game Totals)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
6    MIN Vikings    TEN Titans @ MIN Vikings
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.41    To Run

6 fold backed by a 5 fold

Some brief notes...

Bengals have slipped into good form and with Aj green have the most potent receiver going against a secondary that hasnt convinced..bengals pass rush coming on line against a miami O line with a weakness at RT

Falcons offense one of the most balanced and accurate O's going against a Redskins D devestated by 2 of its best players out for the season..always gonna give up points and hopefully the decent falcons D can hold up RG3 enough to win...could be close and high scoring

like the steelers at home and have big returns from injury in polymanu and harrison on D and redman at Rb.... eagles hot and cold and liable to turn over the ball at any time...

over 50.5 in the saints game..bit conservative as both have high powered offense and saints cant defend or mount a pass rush..give rivers time and he will pick this weak saints secondary apart..on the other side brees is still awesome and will put the ball in the endzone regular should be a shootout..prob end 10-6 knowing my luck

under 45.5 in the seahawks ...seahawks one of the best D's in the game against a misfiring panthers although Cam Newton liable to do anything if he extends a broken play..seahawks having trouble scoring even against avg defense

vikings on a good run with a great run game in peterson  and Ponder at Qb looking quite good of late... Tennesea QB locker out and although hassleback not the worst bup titans stuggling on O'.... it may come down to chris Johnson and the run game to keep them in this


I also have a seperate £100 on the Texans -8 ..putting my money where my mouth is... Jets all over the place and injury to their best CB and an offense misfiring doesnt bode.. if given the chance I don't think Tebow is the answer to their problems.. also going up against the best D in the league and the most balanced offense in the league..Texans rated number 1 team overall atm....jets lost 34 -0 last week at home to San Fran who are similar to the texans in they play good D but maybe not quite as potent on O'...i fear the Jets are in for another drubbing this week..but its MNF and the NFL so anything can happen



tl:dr......ill just copy your bets instead :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 07, 2012, 02:44:38 PM
May as well wack up the NFl stuff... if nothing im brave enough to hang it out there : Some tough calls with any value this week but here goes...

1    CIN Bengals    MIA Dolphins @ CIN Bengals
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
2    ATL Falcons    ATL Falcons @ WAS Redskins
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
3    PIT Steelers    PHL Eagles @ PIT Steelers
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 50.5    SD Chargers @ NO Saints
(Game Totals)    08/10/2012    None    1.58    To Run
5    Under 45.5    SEA Seahawks @ CAR Panthers
(Game Totals)    07/10/2012    None    1.62    To Run
6    MIN Vikings    TEN Titans @ MIN Vikings
(Money Line)    07/10/2012    None    1.41    To Run

6 fold backed by a 5 fold

Some brief notes...

Bengals have slipped into good form and with Aj green have the most potent receiver going against a secondary that hasnt convinced..bengals pass rush coming on line against a miami O line with a weakness at RT

Falcons offense one of the most balanced and accurate O's going against a Redskins D devestated by 2 of its best players out for the season..always gonna give up points and hopefully the decent falcons D can hold up RG3 enough to win...could be close and high scoring

like the steelers at home and have big returns from injury in polymanu and harrison on D and redman at Rb.... eagles hot and cold and liable to turn over the ball at any time...

over 50.5 in the saints game..bit conservative as both have high powered offense and saints cant defend or mount a pass rush..give rivers time and he will pick this weak saints secondary apart..on the other side brees is still awesome and will put the ball in the endzone regular should be a shootout..prob end 10-6 knowing my luck

under 45.5 in the seahawks ...seahawks one of the best D's in the game against a misfiring panthers although Cam Newton liable to do anything if he extends a broken play..seahawks having trouble scoring even against avg defense

vikings on a good run with a great run game in peterson  and Ponder at Qb looking quite good of late... Tennesea QB locker out and although hassleback not the worst bup titans stuggling on O'.... it may come down to chris Johnson and the run game to keep them in this


I also have a seperate £100 on the Texans -8 ..putting my money where my mouth is... Jets all over the place and injury to their best CB and an offense misfiring doesnt bode.. if given the chance I don't think Tebow is the answer to their problems.. also going up against the best D in the league and the most balanced offense in the league..Texans rated number 1 team overall atm....jets lost 34 -0 last week at home to San Fran who are similar to the texans in they play good D but maybe not quite as potent on O'...i fear the Jets are in for another drubbing this week..but its MNF and the NFL so anything can happen



tl:dr......ill just copy your bets instead :)
ditto ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 07, 2012, 03:30:04 PM
Hurtful... Just trying to make u feel ur getting value for ur losses


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 08, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
Tough weekend..frustrating when you get 76% hit rate and still relying on tonight to break even...

Saturday footie was horrible..the 3 that missed were the more favoured picks...

sunday footie 3/3..helped to start filling in the hole..

and almost scooped NFL 5/6... Bengals letting us down against an improving Miami..there front 7 quite a force...Bengals had 2 shots at the winning TD but couldnt get it home... was a bummer as had them as one of the more favoured picks..one I was worried about was Atlanta but RG3 for washington got knocked out of the game ( literally ) in the 3rd qtr and it saw us home..spot on with the Eagles ... Vick spilling the ball twice.... minnesota crushing the Titans and defensive battle in carolina....

small profit on the 5 fold and our Texan pick tonight to break even


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Junior Senior on October 08, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Kh
I now have my main bet of the weekend placed

Walsall vs Carlisle  £140 over 3.5 goals at 9/4 and £90 on over 4.5 goals at 11/2

Plus £40 e/w on Clayton at 7/1 in the 3.20 Newmarket tomorrow

Why not. I am on too.
I apologise in advance

Sorry again....

Tell me what you are on this week and i will back the opposite to make up for it


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
Not really posted much on here this last week as have been under it in many areas...

Let's go back to last Friday when I followed a Tighty cricket tip and backed the first side batting iin the cricket of the T20 final and my £125 wager returned £150 and at the same time had invested £100 spread on over 3.5 goals and over 4.5 goals in the Walsall vs Carlisle match plus £40 ew on the horse that is probs still running for the Saturday as I was going to be limited with time due to having to work and then drive up to DTD for the £150 straight after work, when the cricket had finished I collected and re-invested so my position on Walsall was £140 @ 9/4 on over 3.5 goals and £90 @11/2 on over 4.5 goals.

Saturday was a mission with me still viewing wiht clients till 12.30 and arriving at DTD by 3.15pm and not long after the match was 1-1 with 20 mins of the first half still to play (good start) also I had chipped up to 41k but this wasn't to last either, the horse ran down the track and depsite 32 efforts on goal from both sides the match finished 1-2 and after level 8 it was down the M1 and a few hours to work on the Sunday.

Sunday started off with a £200 loser on the F1 when I backed Jenson Button to be on the podium in the Japanese GP and despite an amazing start his middle part of the race was a bit like my tourney form the Saturday and a poor final pitstop meant he finally finished 4th and after 3 hours in the office I was given a pass out to Luton for the afternoon as Petra had some friends and all the toddlers over so I took the opportunity to have a placepot on the "Arc" meeting hoping for some favs to get beat on the poor ground and backed a pipe horse called War Singer who had been sent a long way investing £60 @ 9/4 and £50 on the pp.

The placepot was one result shy of a decent result and I returned £135 for the £50 and War Singer obliged leaving me in good sprits entering the £50 comp at the "G" but my first entry went just before the end of level 3 with my KK losing to AJss and A5 and then a table change and a re-entry later followed by some very good get theres by my oppos and I was back down the M1 and M25 arriving just in time to follow the shrewdies in on some NFL with a £50 double which went down the pan but the worst part of my last week was yet to come...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2012, 10:35:45 AM
Monday started off absolutely terrible with the first 2 phone calls of the day being 2 buyers pulling out of deals and one of them was involved in chain of 3 that we had sold so that was 4 abortive sales by 9.10am and lost fees of £20k to the office and £1k to each of us in the office and as we report figures on Monday's and also were having our monthly sales meeting this was not going to a comfortable meeting for me anyway and this was made worse when about 2 hours before the meeting the owner of the firm had said that whilst I was off one of my colleagues (theres only 2 in this office) had sent him an e-mail which questioned my commitment to the cause (nice to know who your friends are) and that he would run through it with me in private and then come down to sort it out with us in the office.

So I sat in the meeting wondering what it could be about and when we had a break chatted to Anthony and he said that my colleague was frustrated and felt that the fact that I had a lot of Saturdays as my chosen day off was impacting on the business among some other internal gripes but he really put the boot in and it has taken me until the latter part of the week to take all the knives that were placed in my back out.

The guy in question is undoubtably one of the best agents I have worked with and is really passionate about his job and is a very sensitive person and we are actually very good friends as we ahve worked together for 6 years and he is a complex guy who if managed wrong does not perform but if you press the right buttons is a great asset to a company and when I looked at the email in question and the time it had been sent I realised how he would have been feeling as we had just come off the back of 8 weeks were we only had 2 people in the office due to him covering other offices appts whilst they had A/L and had not managed their diary correctly and then our office where for 5 weeks solid one of us was on holiday and obv we didnt get help form other offices.

This by week 7 had left him at breaking point and triggered the email but the email had then put a mahoosive spotlight over me and on Tuesday morning I came into the office but was told not to say anything as my boss would be down by Thursday to sort it out, so from Tuesday morning till Thursday aft I said nothing but everything was strained and whilst sat on the Mezanine floor I was wondering does he know I know but had to sit quietly and just got my head down at work.

By Thursday afternoon I had gone around the houses and I am not one to keep quiet for long and due to the fact that my colleague was going away for a couple of days I took the bull by the horns and confronted him, letting him know that I was disappointed that after all we had been through and the help I had given him he had chosen to send an email as opposed to sit with me and for us to sort out his frustrations together and most likely work towards acommon goal as we had before and that doing it this way just put a msiive spotlight on me and the office and meant that in an office of 3 it was going to make life difficult for us all.

We talked for about an hour and left on good terms and are having an office meeting on Monday to iron out any issues and try to plan forwards but the past week has definately left it's scars and made me question a number of things and in my next Tl;Dr post I shall talk about

A tilt bet
A trigger point
Business Plans
Being under it due to a flat sale not having gone through yet


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2012, 10:37:59 AM
Anway today I am backing over 3.5 goals in the Carlisle vs Notts county match!!


So get laying Junior Senior!!!!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 13, 2012, 11:02:42 AM
Norrrrrrrrrrr, wondered why you had been quiet of late. Feel your pain man, been under it for a while now money wise and office politics is a joke in our place. Had the same thing happen to me a while back the main difference being we are not in the slightest bit friends, never have been and  never will be. After her email to the world I replied CCing the world pointing out all the shit she had done wrong which I had previously brushed under the carpet, I despise grassing and grasses, but she pushed me to the edge. Atmosphere has actually been a bit better since I called her out.

Hope your tilt bet won and you get there with the business plans. Only a matter of weeks before you are on the beach with the family, feet up and cocktail in your hand.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pleno1 on October 13, 2012, 11:22:09 AM
Norrrrrrrrrrr, wondered why you had been quiet of late. Feel your pain man, been under it for a while now money wise and office politics is a joke in our place. Had the same thing happen to me a while back the main difference being we are not in the slightest bit friends, never have been and  never will be. After her email to the world I replied CCing the world pointing out all the shit she had done wrong which I had previously brushed under the carpet, I despise grassing and grasses, but she pushed me to the edge. Atmosphere has actually been a bit better since I called her out.

Hope your tilt bet won and you get there with the business plans. Only a matter of weeks before you are on the beach with the family, feet up and cocktail in your hand.


Hmmm kinda Disagree here mate. I wouldn't even call it grassing. I have sent emails numerous times to head of management in a 700 ppl company about people with 20 years experience in a department I'm not in expressing my thoughts on their attitude/incompetence. Everybody should be working for the same goal and management, especially in such a big company can't see everything. I think it's almost your prerogative to 'grass' if there is a problem.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on October 13, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
Norrrrrrrrrrr, wondered why you had been quiet of late. Feel your pain man, been under it for a while now money wise and office politics is a joke in our place. Had the same thing happen to me a while back the main difference being we are not in the slightest bit friends, never have been and  never will be. After her email to the world I replied CCing the world pointing out all the shit she had done wrong which I had previously brushed under the carpet, I despise grassing and grasses, but she pushed me to the edge. Atmosphere has actually been a bit better since I called her out.

Hope your tilt bet won and you get there with the business plans. Only a matter of weeks before you are on the beach with the family, feet up and cocktail in your hand.


Hmmm kinda Disagree here mate. I wouldn't even call it grassing. I have sent emails numerous times to head of management in a 700 ppl company about people with 20 years experience in a department I'm not in expressing my thoughts on their attitude/incompetence. Everybody should be working for the same goal and management, especially in such a big company can't see everything. I think it's almost your prerogative to 'grass' if there is a problem.

I would never do this, as far as I'm concerned if it's not my department it's not my place, pretty hard for this not to seem like brown nosing by you Pads from your colleagues perspectives.

That said, if I was Rich here, I believe your the gaffer of your place right ? I'd sack the guy, can't trust him now and it's a shits trick what he's done, assuming it's possible legally he'd be out the door.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 13, 2012, 12:31:11 PM
Norrrrrrrrrrr, wondered why you had been quiet of late. Feel your pain man, been under it for a while now money wise and office politics is a joke in our place. Had the same thing happen to me a while back the main difference being we are not in the slightest bit friends, never have been and  never will be. After her email to the world I replied CCing the world pointing out all the shit she had done wrong which I had previously brushed under the carpet, I despise grassing and grasses, but she pushed me to the edge. Atmosphere has actually been a bit better since I called her out.

Hope your tilt bet won and you get there with the business plans. Only a matter of weeks before you are on the beach with the family, feet up and cocktail in your hand.


Hmmm kinda Disagree here mate. I wouldn't even call it grassing. I have sent emails numerous times to head of management in a 700 ppl company about people with 20 years experience in a department I'm not in expressing my thoughts on their attitude/incompetence. Everybody should be working for the same goal and management, especially in such a big company can't see everything. I think it's almost your prerogative to 'grass' if there is a problem.

Can see your point but dont agree tbh mate. Do you speak to them first or snap fire an email? I think if they keep messing up they will get seen for what they are sooner or later, that or hopefully they will improve. It was instilled into me from an early age that you just dont grass, whatever the circumstances really. Often I will email or speak to a person directly and say look mate you did this sort it out, but for her to go and call me out on a mistake when I have covered her back so many times I thought no chance am I letting her away with this one.
 I wouldn't suggest this attitude if you were a surgeon or what have you.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2012, 01:42:17 PM
Will explain more later..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: atdc21 on October 13, 2012, 02:20:59 PM
 ;popcorn;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 13, 2012, 02:42:45 PM
I'm glad i don't have to contend with office politics anymore.. i used to work in the city and it was more dangerous than taking a midnight stroll through Helmand...So many pricks just dying to stomp over your still smoking carcass...

TBH ... i think your collegues a fucking tosser... wouldnt make excuses for him being sensitive he didnt seem to take your feelings into consideration whilst dartboarding your back... you could never trust this dude again... your like me too easy going for your own good mr Eso... you call him a friend..friends don't do this mate

as an aside a rather rushed acca on a short league week.. 6 and a 5 fold

1    Over 2.5    Northampton v Exeter
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.80    To Run
2    Over 2.5    Hereford v Braintree Town
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.61    To Run
3    Over 2.5    Woking v Southport
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.57    To Run
4    Over 2.5    Gateshead v Cambridge Utd
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.70    To Run
5    Over 2.5    Afan Lido v Airbus UK
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.40    To Run
6    Over 2.5    Bangor City v Llanelli
(Total Goals)    13/10/2012    None    1.36    To Run


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: redsimon on October 13, 2012, 04:31:28 PM
Anway today I am backing over 3.5 goals in the Carlisle vs Notts county match!!


So get laying Junior Senior!!!!!

easy money :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: geordieneil on October 13, 2012, 05:28:01 PM
Anway today I am backing over 3.5 goals in the Carlisle vs Notts county match!!


So get laying Junior Senior!!!!!

got to love Notts County's stats

3 shots
3 on target
4 goals

can only assume the penalty doesn't count as a shot (then wtf is it?)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19854781



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: AceHighSuited on October 15, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
been hitting f5 since Saturday waiting on the rest of the story.  Suspense is killing me. 


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 16, 2012, 03:04:28 PM
Sorry for the slow roll but been very busy irl and at work.

Ok I have worked with this guy for about 5-6years and he is now in his late 20's and was my assistant branch manager for the previous firm we worked for when I ran 2 offices in 2008-2010 and looked after the office when I was in the other one, he is a top fella but I found out he was quite sensitive when some banter in the office went a bit far/personal and he texted me that night and explained he was bullied at school so made a special effort in his appearance and has big boy band hair which makes him very rememberable on the road and is a decent guy so wins lots of business. This first clash changed the way that I managed him and as at the time I was on a senior management course where part of it was about personality profiling (will come onto this another time) meant that I continued to get the best out of him and as he wins the houses from other agents that we sell he is a massively important part of the team.

Go forward 2 years later and on a random day a different colleague from the office rings me and says he wants to move to my other office as my assistant branch manager has been playing about with his girlfriend (who was our office cleaner at the time) now my colleague was engaged at the time and his future father in law worked for the company and I protected him and made sure none of this ever got out and it was a case of "it takes two to tango" and to be honest whilst he was ool he just got himself in a situation and didnt know how to get out of it.

During our time together we have done various deals on properties and always split any extra ££ earned 50/50 so when I was offered the chance to work for this new firm 18months ago I wanted to bring him with me and pushed very hard to get him and another colleague to move 50 yds down and across the road to where we are now even going as far as in the final negotiations taking £1k off my basic salary so that the owner of the firm could give it to him along with £1k himself to make the offer more attractive ( he is worth more than £1k in comm so it was worth it)

Unofrtunatley due to some poor planning by our other offices he had to cover all 3 offices valuations for 10days then our neg in this office went on hols leaving just myself and my colleague, then he was away for 1 week followed by me for 2 weeks which meant that for 8 weeks we only had 2 people in the office and meant we were firefighting as opposed to being proactive and the business suffered, I also think he had some relationship probs and that meant that after me being away for a week he broke and sent an email basically saying

He felt the office was suffering as we had taken the foot off the gas and that me playing poker 2 weekends a month was part of it (which was unfair as it's my day off or holiday that is used for these times)
Some general office habits had slipped (mainly down to lack of manpower which we were rectifying in recruiting)
We all have jobs that we do that the others dont know how to so when one is off this puts pressure on (obv a training need for us all)
But basically he turned the knife about the fact he felt my weekends either as holiday or as my day off were impacting the business.

What was disappointing was he could/should have come direct to me as if he had we could have resolved it as a team instead the owner wanted to discuss it direct with us all ( he has not been down yet) so I took the bull by the horns and spoke to him direct and then called a team meeting where we all sat down and made a plan of what "a good office" should run like daily/weekly/monthly and will put all the ideas in place for when our new starter comes in in a few weeks time and hopefully we can move forward together.

I will come back to the other bits mentioned tomorrow sometime...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 16, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
wtf it do do with him what you do on your time off..whether you play poker or worry sheep he can gtfo...

personally...id have him out..theres plenty out there maybe better but this is the sort of bloke who could end up costing your job..obv his in line behind you..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: typhoon13 on October 17, 2012, 09:11:46 AM

Eso

Got to admire your approach sir

I would be 100% behind the comments from your pal " the sicillian "

I know you have your job and future to protect but this so called work pal, wants fekin shafting.

I am sure your tact and diplomacy will see you right.

Good Luck Sir



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on October 17, 2012, 09:35:40 AM
Have to agree with the other 2.
Trust is a big thing and if you can no longer trust him then you should make life dificult for him, especially after you helped him out of that sticky situation and secured a new job for him.

All the best mate.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 17, 2012, 05:04:23 PM
wanna borrow Luca Brasi ?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 17, 2012, 05:08:01 PM
wanna borrow Luca Brasi ?

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on October 17, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
wanna borrow Luca Brasi ?

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes

piscisphile?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: the sicilian on October 17, 2012, 08:10:04 PM
wanna borrow Luca Brasi ?

Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes

they didnt bite :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 20, 2012, 02:29:56 PM
Just switched over to racing and Sirius Prospect is running. Have you stopped backing that horse.


Got up for third 12/1


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2012, 03:47:19 PM
Just switched over to racing and Sirius Prospect is running. Have you stopped backing that horse.


Got up for third 12/1
Yh not sure Mr Kelly gave it the best chance today, I was on for £25ew at 12/1 so a small bit of profit but it is only in the last 3 runs this year that it has shown any form.

GL today at DTD bud.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 20, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
Cheers


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on October 20, 2012, 11:41:17 PM
Just switched over to racing and Sirius Prospect is running. Have you stopped backing that horse.


Got up for third 12/1
Yh not sure Mr Kelly gave it the best chance today, I was on for £25ew at 12/1 so a small bit of profit but it is only in the last 3 runs this year that it has shown any form.

GL today at DTD bud.

Someone gave him a nudge that it was running.  ;whistle;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 23, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Not had much time to post as have been trying to avoid being on here for massive amounts of time but will do a TL;DR post later on..

In the interests of no after timing of self bokking though I am today on

Over 3.5 goals and over 4.5 goals in the Carlisle vs Oldham match at 13/5 & 7/1 respectively and a small single on Carlisle outright
plus a cheeky over 2.5 acca on over 2.5 on Burton,Notts Co, Wycombe, Carlisle
and a mega banzai

Walsall to be winning at HT and losing at FT at 25/1

I have had a good couple of days on the sport and at work so will update later on..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 23, 2012, 09:30:46 PM

We talked for about an hour and left on good terms and are having an office meeting on Monday to iron out any issues and try to plan forwards but the past week has definately left it's scars and made me question a number of things and in my next Tl;Dr post I shall talk about

A tilt bet
A trigger point
Business Plans
Being under it due to a flat sale not having gone through yet
Ok this was where we left it and although things have improved at work with us having everyone in for the majority of the time there is still an underlying atmosphere around the office which is not good.

Unfortunately my tilt bet was not a winning one and led to a trigger in my head that I remember from a long time ago, basically I wanted to put a bet on an over goals double a week or so ago and needed to deposit to a website but I could not for the life of me remember the password to one of the websites so deposited to totesport only to find that they didnt offer the goals market that I wanted and I'm ashamed to say that instead of snap withdrawing I punted off the £100 on a random football double that didnt even come close.

This really disappointed me as I try not to punt off on stuff I really dont fancy and obv did this time, which after coming off a poor run of sports results (like the button podium the weekend before) I reigned myself back in for a week or which a few years ago I would have pressed or chased and only now a few years down the line do I have the discipline to take a step back.

Quite a few pages ago I posted a link to a flat myself and my brother are selling and we have had a buyer in place but they needed to be a bit creative on the mortgage side and this has took an immense amount of time to get right and with no tenant in there and the years maintenance and buildings insurance this was now costing us money and was putting a further strain on mine and my brothers relationship along with the disposable available so going on a losing run was not ideal.  Then a random text from an old source turned £50 into £200 which turned into £400 thanks to S.Vettel winning the Korean GP and then £600 with a win on the NFL and we were going into the GUKPT side event at Luton in good spirits.

With all the added pressure on me at work I had started to question a lot of things in my life and asking myself the question    what if...  now I had a few small business ideas that I thought would work and have always seen myself with my own business at some point but with one little one and another on the way wonder if it will ever happen, maybe with whats going on at work it will spur me on to develop my ideas further but it still feels like a gamble at this stage of my life.

One of my ideas is property related but I think the market needs to improve a little before agents will spend the ££ on a regular basis and I would need to help market Petra's business to bring in some extra ££ and balance the books if we lost a chunk from my earnings whilst we started off the other stuff but I need to do some further investigation first. (watch this space)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on October 23, 2012, 09:36:00 PM


Over 3.5 goals and over 4.5 goals in the Carlisle vs Oldham match at 13/5 & 7/1 respectively and a small single on Carlisle outright
plus a cheeky over 2.5 acca on over 2.5 on Burton,Notts Co, Wycombe, Carlisle
and a mega banzai


0-0 at HT... 3-1 now, still 10 mins to play. glglglglglgl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 23, 2012, 10:08:18 PM
I was only playing one event in the Gukpt at Luton which was on my stake thread and after an average start we got in the cash on day 2 and then could not hold with QQ vs 1010 and we final table bubbled but I got equally lucky on the bubble with JJ vs AA so I cant grumble and we are just ahead on the stake with potentially 4 events left to play.

After I exited I flicked it in for the £250 omaha and went fairly deep in that losing a hand that gets me back to average with 12 left and 8 paid when I lost with  Ad Qd Ahrt 4h vs  Kd Td Kh 6h and although I'm no omaha specialist am pretty sure I'm in good shape there?

I sat to the left of Stuart Fox for the whole evening and he is now added to the list of hero's and is a top bloke imo and met Jaffacake as well for the first time when we were down to 2 tables but busting just before the money means I only have a 50% cash rate in PLO tournies lifetime :(

Since Luton I had a small losing Fri/Sat followed by £60 on Twelve Strings on Sunday and then a chunky double from the proceeds on over 48.5 points in the Baltimore NFL game and QPR +1 goal to beat Everton at 10/11 & 8/13 respectively.

Monday was a work day and we were busy losing deals and tying others up so all in all a standard weekend in punting and work and then today I fancied Seamus Shindig and got Dubai who was holding some ££ for me to back it for £75 ew at 15/2 and a decent bet on over 3.5 goals and over 4.5 goals in the Carlisle match tonight so at HT with the score at 0-0 the text from him saying  "WTF HT 0-0 whats going on?" I didnt hold too much hope of a return till..

57 mins gone and Milligan texts me 1-0 lets hope the floodgates open but we waited till the 74th minute till the second goal and were obv unlucky that only 2 further goals went in in the final 15 mins so showed a decent profit winning £300 on the day but a 5th goal means it turns into a comma day, obv nowhere near Goldens winning days but we cant all be as blessed as the Posh one.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 23, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
Can't show enough live for Foxy. He's a superb guy. Millidonk ain't bad either :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 26, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
Had a decent couple of days on the puntering front after a text from the dog man bought 1 winner from 2 bets and a loss of £12.50 I invested some £££ that Dubai was holding for me and had £350 to win £200 on Porto winning on Weds night as my only bets and then yesterday really fancied over 2.5goals in the Young boys vs Udinese match and had £350 on at 4/5 which on my phone was showing as 1-0 when I get the text to say "weighed on   your'e on fire!!" and a refresh later confirms 2 quick goals and another winner.

I had already selected a dog for the big greyhound race of the night in a match bet so fired a bullet of £100 @ 11/8 which proved a bit hasty and the text convo went

Dubai "Which dog you fancy in the final?"

Me "T4 over T3 in a match bet 11/8 with Laddies, can you get me £100 if not no probs"

Dubai "Yeah ur on, Lottes girl over Aero"

Me " Dont want a bump and to stay interested"

Me "Sigh"

Cue the Dubai rub  "She is older than you!!"

But thats a decent week on the sport and I fancy a couple of overs tomorrow and will post in the morning what I am on and tonight there is a £100 festival event at "The Rendezvous Casino" in Southend so will give that a spin as a warm up to the 3rd event on my stake at The Big Bluff tomoz in their £50k Gtd!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on October 26, 2012, 07:00:19 PM
Good read Rich keep it coming.
Gl with the events on the stake.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: atdc21 on October 26, 2012, 07:21:16 PM
well done rich, enjoy reading your diary as i do the others on here, gl.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 27, 2012, 02:03:49 PM
Thx Dan & Atdc21 :)

Well I have just arrived at big bluff for the £200 and am already on

Stoke @11/10 to beat Sunderland

big dbl  over 2.5goals Cardiff vs Burnley with over 3.5 Carlisle v Bournemouth 8/13 & 9/4

Ew Ruacana 14/1 2.00 donc

and a couple of £10 mug goal accas for a sweat


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Big_D on October 27, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
Good luck today mate!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 27, 2012, 02:29:05 PM
Good luck today mate!
Cheers Dylan


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 27, 2012, 11:34:12 PM
Thx Dan & Atdc21 :)

Well I have just arrived at big bluff for the £200 and am already on

Stoke @11/10 to beat Sunderland

big dbl  over 2.5goals Cardiff vs Burnley with over 3.5 Carlisle v Bournemouth 8/13 & 9/4

Ew Ruacana 14/1 2.00 donc

and a couple of £10 mug goal accas for a sweat
Well today was quite a day and had laid out about £190 in reddies on all the unbolded stuff plus a £50 on Aberdeen to score 3 or more but was still playing with cash Dubai was holding for me and on Friday had asked him to put a £250 double on the bolded part whcih returned 1276.79 (overs in Cardiff match were 4/7 not 8/13 as posted earlier) and meant another good day.
At full time I back Bristol City which was a loser for £150 and have just laid out the odd £126 on Bruno Senna to have a points finish in tomorrows F1 in India at 2/1 which still leaves a healthy profit on the day.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on October 28, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
Good luck. Wife's favourite in F1 is Bruno Senna :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: KarmaDope on October 28, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
have just laid out the odd £126 on Bruno Senna to have a points finish in tomorrows F1 in India at 2/1 which still leaves a healthy profit on the day.

Run good.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Dubai on October 28, 2012, 11:50:06 AM
He runs amazing, I didn't even realise we had won- thought was top 8, was sitting there moaning


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: ripple11 on October 28, 2012, 12:45:01 PM
Thx Dan & Atdc21 :)

Well I have just arrived at big bluff for the £200 and am already on

Stoke @11/10 to beat Sunderland

big dbl  over 2.5goals Cardiff vs Burnley with over 3.5 Carlisle v Bournemouth 8/13 & 9/4

Ew Ruacana 14/1 2.00 donc

and a couple of £10 mug goal accas for a sweat
Well today was quite a day and had laid out about £190 in reddies on all the unbolded stuff plus a £50 on Aberdeen to score 3 or more but was still playing with cash Dubai was holding for me and on Friday had asked him to put a £250 double on the bolded part whcih returned 1276.79 (overs in Cardiff match were 4/7 not 8/13 as posted earlier) and meant another good day.
At full time I back Bristol City which was a loser for £150 and have just laid out the odd £126 on Bruno Senna to have a points finish in tomorrows F1 in India at 2/1 which still leaves a healthy profit on the day.



Nice one.  :)up
Bournemouth scoring goals now Eddie Howe is back and motivating a strong 1st div squad.Also we have good strikers/midfield on the bench if needed, having spent money over the summer.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2012, 01:44:10 AM
Currently in the last 75 of the bigger 55 on stars but only have 20 bigs    spinup time!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2012, 01:48:04 AM
dbled up but still 41/73


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: aaron1867 on October 29, 2012, 01:55:50 AM
dbled up but still 41/73

I think that if you end up winning every show down, you will win the tournament.

GL.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2012, 01:56:41 AM
dbled up but still 41/73

I think that if you end up winning every show down, you will win the tournament.

GL.
Cheers Aaron  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2012, 02:41:19 AM
dbled up but still 41/73

I think that if you end up winning every show down, you will win the tournament.

GL.
Lost a showdown and finished 45th  >:(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on October 29, 2012, 08:48:10 AM
Well my rungood is not like Poshboy's but yesterday was another decent day all round after Bruno Senna took the last point paying place with 10 laps to go of the F1 and held comfortably to give me a £126 winner @ 2/1 and god knows how much Dubai has made from my selections this week, which was then swiftly followed a wager on Spurs to beat Southampton at 10/11 with £178 riding on them and subsequently a further profit.

I really fancied both teams to score in the Marseille vs Lyon match but it was abandoned so no further bets were placed and I settled down to a full Sunday Pokerstars schedule, well "the big 11" and "the bigger 55" anyway and was 1 tableing very quickly but at least it was the 55 and on the bubble was able to ride it out smoothly then a few hands later and were in the top 100 and held in the top 50 until a card and spot dead spell of 2 hours until with 45 left I lost AKcc vs 88 vs KK to finish 45th for about $550 or something around that.

I cant remember being on the right side of so many selections in a row and my only loser yesterday was a random £12.50 placed on 3-3 in the Chelsea v Man Utd game which if that would have come in might have even made me buy a lottery ticket or 20!!

Last few days of the month at work now so we will see what Monday brings which is usually a few deals and then a few abortives to boot as well...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 01, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
Had a pretty manic couple of days with month end at work which finished solid if not spectacular and my rich vein of punting form continued this week but started with a loser when having studied the markets for the Monday night footie in the Sheff Utd v Prtsmouth game the only bet I liked was the bookings index 15-35 inc at 11/8 but it was very close between that and the 0-35 market with Hills at 17/20 but opted for the former and after instructing Dubai to place £240 @ 11/8 we were quite happy to see 0 cards at half time and with 25 mins to go needed 1 or 2 bookings to scoop but unfortunately the Arbitrator didnt see things the same way and it was a first loser for a few days.

Tuesday was a day off from work for me and we had our 20 week baby scan at the hospital and fingers crossed again everything seems to be going well with the rest of the day being DIY based (I know I know it's an interesting life I lead now) doing the sanding of the floorboards in one of the bedrooms so after Christmas we can move Maxwell into a bigger room and give him enough time to acclimatise whilst we get ready for the sleepless nights (for Petra) that go with a newborn.  Punting wise Tuesday night was a small amount of profit having told Dave the night before I fancied Villa I ended up splitting stakes and backing Wigan to be winning at HT & FT and the could not win at either so a Villa late winner proved a +£30 day and got Dave to ship me back some ££ as it looks like the flat sale is not going through for a further couple of weeks and we need some extra cash for building work happening whilst in St.Kitts.

Weds and after a convo with Claypole I had £50 on Zeyran in the 4.15 lingfield and had already got Dave to put my final £330 he was holding on Chelsea to qualify last night at 1.77 on BF so with seconds left as Chelsea win a penalty to draw I get a text from Dubai which read "Houdini" and from there it was one way traffic and a further £250 added to my roll.

So Cliffs wise - whilst on holiday in Malta I called in a bet with Man Utd to beat Liverpool and got lucky, spun it up a bit whilst away and then left it with Dave, spun it down a bit and bought a bit of "winter wonderland" leaving me one bet which spun back to over a grand and then further spins by being selective resulted in cashing out £1300 plus Dave holding the UKIPT entry for next week and a further £580 of bets waiting to be placed (see below)

My final bets placed today are

£380 on Groupie Doll in the Fillies and Mares sprint @ 11/10 and a
£200 treble on Bournemouth, Carlisle both to win Sat in the FA cup and Excellebration in the Breeders Cup mile at 8/13, 1/3, 6/4

It's been an epic spin so far and it may continue with one or both of these bets winning the weekend...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on November 01, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
Degens gonna degen


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 03, 2012, 12:32:30 PM
All bets are on for the day and along with the bets above I'm on

£30 EW War Singer  2.35 Ascot ' 13/2

£60  for there to be a RED Card in the Norwich vs Stoke match at 9/2

Placepot at Santa Anita tonight  1-11/ 4-8/ 3-12/ 7-11/ 6-9/ 2-10  64 bets at 50p

and over 2.5 goals in
Man Utd, Liverpool, Watford, Huddersfield  £50 acca plus a £20 acca those with  Dortmund, Malaga, Valencia


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
My final bets placed today are

£380 on Groupie Doll in the Fillies and Mares sprint @ 11/10 and a
£200 treble on Bournemouth, Carlisle both to win Sat in the FA cup and Excellebration in the Breeders Cup mile at 8/13, 1/3, 6/4

It's been an epic spin so far and it may continue with one or both of these bets winning the weekend...
Top part was an easy winner and returned 4/6 in the end but couldnt quite get the treble in

All bets are on for the day and along with the bets above I'm on

£30 EW War Singer  2.35 Ascot ' 13/2

£60  for there to be a RED Card in the Norwich vs Stoke match at 9/2

Placepot at Santa Anita tonight  1-11/ 4-8/ 3-12/ 7-11/ 6-9/ 2-10  64 bets at 50p

and over 2.5 goals in
Man Utd, Liverpool, Watford, Huddersfield  £50 acca plus a £20 acca those with  Dortmund, Malaga, Valencia
And all of these a wash out plus the £98 wagered on the big Breeders cup race trying to get the fav beat which I did but my selections finished 3rd and 4th,  but if anyone saw the Norwich vs Stoke game imo I was unlucky not to get a red card for Etherington after he lashed out towards the end of the game.
The rest of the weekend consisted of me driving to DTD friday for the £150 and after a slow start managed to build a decent stack getting to 58k with the average at 40k and blind 1/2k but then I had already got a phone call from Petra giving me grief about the possibility of playing Sunday  which was preying on my mind abit and I overplayed "the Beltons" (QQ with the Qc) on a 862cc board 10c turn by 3b'ing the turn AI and my oppo had A8cc and that sorted out the issue of having to drive back up the M1 sunday so instead turned my attention to the F1 betting.

I had Shallow holding the Groupie Doll winnings so got him to put on what I perceived to be the best bet of the F1 which was 2/7 Vettel to finish in the points (top 10) and whilst many people would say 2/7 is too short I can honestly say if I had £7k spare I would have been happy investing on this bet as under normal circumstances these guys are 1/8-1/9 to finish in the points and although starting at the back of the grid as they said prior to the race they had tweaked the torque to give him more power and the £500 at 2/7 was landed with him getting on the podium, unfortunately I had previously got him to place a £200 double on Vettel points and Liverpool vs Newcastle over 2.5 goals paying around 5/4 and after the equaliser this should have been home and hosed but this man
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spurned a hattrick of chances late on to deny another small coup.

My first bet of the week is already on and placed and it is in the Celtic vs Barelona game where I fancy Barcelona -1.5 goals on the Asian handicap at 19/20 so basically Barcelona have to win by 2 goals for the bet to cop with my reasoning being that whilst Celtic defended like trojans in the reverse fixture the home crowd will be expecting a better attacking performance which will leave open the room for Barca to play their sexy football and I have stuck £342 out of my balance of £642 with Dave on it.

Really looking forward to UKIPT Bristol this week and whilst it's gonna be a lot of driving as we (Dubai) leave early Thurs morning and back in one day then are back Saturday either way as he is in the High Roller and I will be in the £300 side event if not deep into day 2 with hopefully an overnight on saturday for day3 or 2 in the side required and then its only 10 days till St.Kitts which obv I cant wait for!!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on November 05, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Good luck with the Ukipt mate. Sounds a long arse drive, what car do you n Dubai drive? Can't you rent one of those Limos with a hot tub in?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 05, 2012, 01:30:53 PM
Good luck with the Ukipt mate. Sounds a long arse drive, what car do you n Dubai drive? Can't you rent one of those Limos with a hot tub in?
Cheers Jase,
When I said drive I meant we drive to city airport and get in his jet and the pilot drives before the above mentioned Limo picks us up the other end and ferries us to the casino  ;)

Srsly though I have a VW Golf as a company car which is big enough atm but may need to be knocking on the boss's door for an upsize soon.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 06, 2012, 04:50:46 PM
Booked another small win with Shallow last night when after a bit of study £150 was wagered at 6/5 on First match goal after the 28th minute in the West Brom v Southampton match and after only 1-2 chances early on it was a sweat free selection and banked £180 profit in the only bet of the day.

I spoke to a couple of people the weekend who said how come I post after the event but I cant always be online but as all bar my Saturday punts are placed with Dubai recently I know he would call me out if either the amounts were different or if I missed anything out.

My selection for today is over 4.5 cards in the Dynamo Kiev v Porto match at 4/5 and have £180 riding on it plus as posted a short while ago have a decent bet on Barelona -1.5 goals running for tomoz night also, today I spoke to Vinny who is now joining us on our trip to Bristol and has already told me he has no Petrol or Nando's money so not a lot changes there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on November 10, 2012, 10:16:46 AM
what we got for today pal?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 10, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
what we got for today pal?
Today we have a big serving of Man Flu so am obv suffering terribly!!
Punting wise I have a
EW plus a topup win bet on Sirius Prospect at 6/1  3.10 Donc

Decent bet on over 2.5 goals at 10/11  Kilmarnock vs Ross County

Small draw treble  Wigan/Leyton O/Southend

Double Chance -  QPR+Draw/Swindon+Draw/Sheff Utd+Draw/Huddersfield+Draw  pays 9/2

and First Match goal in Arsenal vs Fulham between  71-80 mins @ 22/1 and 81mins - FT @ 28/1

Plus will be doing some BTS including matches Plymouth, Doncaster, Leeds, Notts County, Reading, Wigan, Oxford


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 13, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
Booked another small win with Shallow last night when after a bit of study £150 was wagered at 6/5 on First match goal after the 28th minute in the West Brom v Southampton match and after only 1-2 chances early on it was a sweat free selection and banked £180 profit in the only bet of the day.

I spoke to a couple of people the weekend who said how come I post after the event but I cant always be online but as all bar my Saturday punts are placed with Dubai recently I know he would call me out if either the amounts were different or if I missed anything out.

My selection for today is over 4.5 cards in the Dynamo Kiev v Porto match at 4/5 and have £180 riding on it plus as posted a short while ago have a decent bet on Barelona -1.5 goals running for tomoz night also, today I spoke to Vinny who is now joining us on our trip to Bristol and has already told me he has no Petrol or Nando's money so not a lot changes there!!
Both these were blanks unfortunately

what we got for today pal?
Today we have a big serving of Man Flu so am obv suffering terribly!!
Punting wise I have a
EW plus a topup win bet on Sirius Prospect at 6/1  3.10 Donc

Decent bet on over 2.5 goals at 10/11  Kilmarnock vs Ross County

Small draw treble  Wigan/Leyton O/Southend

Double Chance -  QPR+Draw/Swindon+Draw/Sheff Utd+Draw/Huddersfield+Draw  pays 9/2

and First Match goal in Arsenal vs Fulham between  71-80 mins @ 22/1 and 81mins - FT @ 28/1

Plus will be doing some BTS including matches Plymouth, Doncaster, Leeds, Notts County, Reading, Wigan, Oxford
And these were looking decidedly terrible after a bad ride from Mr Kelly on Sirius and until Kilmarnock scored 3 second half goals to record a small loss on saturday but Sunday was a better day when I got Shallow to put on a double of £240 on over 2.5 goals in the Wolfsburg vs B.Leverkusen match which was weighed in after 30 minutes and a nitty Chelsea/Draw Double chance at 1/5 with the double paying a shade over Evs getting back the losses and some from Saturday.

This week has started quietly with 0 wagers placed since Sunday and just grinding work which is going well in the first days of Noember which 20k of Nett sales so far and over halfway to target for the month already.

7 sleeps till St.Kitts  oioioi


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: hector62 on November 18, 2012, 09:55:57 PM
I hope you don't mind me stealing you F1 Senna bet for Tikay's thread, but I did say it was your original idea. Since I saw you do it a while back I have done it 3 times and each time it has weighed in. Enjoy your holiday.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: tikay on November 18, 2012, 10:02:07 PM


:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 18, 2012, 10:41:31 PM
I hope you don't mind me stealing you F1 Senna bet for Tikay's thread, but I did say it was your original idea. Since I saw you do it a while back I have done it 3 times and each time it has weighed in. Enjoy your holiday.
Thanks Hector I have a rather tl;dr post which will come tomorrow with an epic spin up from not much to a small car ;) culminating in a chunk on Senna today at 5/4 points finish as well.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2012, 12:22:58 PM
A WEEK IN THE LIFE OF AN ICE-CREAM

Defo should start a new diary but as have been busy thought I would do a warts and all account (obv Dubai will call me out if anything omitted or wrong!!) of my last weeks punting activities the Chelsea win left £483 in my imaginary account with Dubai and with going away and builders work to be paid for plus the flat not yet through I wanted to just punt with this ideally!!

12/11 I tried to get the odd £83 on the T4T thread bet of E.Sanders anytime Touchdown scorer but a text back from Dub's confirmed the bet was already restricted so no bet was placed and in the end it turned out to be a good swerve.  balance +£483

13/11 I fancied under 3.5 goals in the MK Dons v Cambridge FA Cup replay and got him to put £220 on at 8/11 and there was no sweat with 3-0 half time and a 6-1 overall victory resulting in a balance of £263

14/11 First text to him after a study was £113 @ 9/2 on Marcus Fraser to be top 10 in the Hong Kong Open as he is an accurate but not flairy golfer with a decent course record leaving £150 with him which was then placed on ITUM "to be placed" in the 4.55 Kemp at 2/1 which was not a tip just a fancy that it would lead a long way and hopefully hold for the place and was a perfect call with it getting chinned on the line into second saving the gamblers thought that I should have backed it to win so the balance was back to £450.

DEGEN ALERT - I decided to watch the England match and needed something to sweat but decided on £100 (god knows why but it must be something to do with the fact I'm not holding the money) on First match goal Sweden v England to be "Headed or other part of body"  (obv not FEET)   £100 for 15 mins entertainment and no happy ending!!

Pressed up the Marcus Fraser with another £150 added at 9/2 so we now have £263 on the plodder leaving a balance of £200 and after the first round he shot -3 with Dubai confirming that it makes the sweat funnier when you have never heard of the golfer ** he then told me he backed "top % for the world and top 10 small profit.

15/11 Golfer in tied 8th after second round and wasnt going to place a bet until Barry Neville texts me at 7.50pm to say back T6 in the 8.41 @ Monmore so when it opens up at 9/4 I get £100 on and am not surprised when it does not win as either I am a Bok to his info or its "Variance" as I have kept every text he has sent me for a few months since I posted a winner on the B Tips thread that he bollocked me for and since then would be down massive if I backed them all which I dont!!

16/11 My final £100 with Shallow was placed on Sizing Australia to be placed in the X Country chase at Cheltenham which was a loser and obv now a balnce of Zero with the golfer to run...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2012, 12:35:39 PM
17/11 Get up in time to watch the final moments of the golfers 3rd round with him making a great Birdie on 18 to still be in with a shout and text Dubai " needs to shoot 2/3 poss 4 under in final round to be top 5 and give him my banker over goals tip for the weekend which was Lincoln 6/10 and Alloa 1/2  £150 already invested of own funds which sailed in and a profit of £210.

I had placed bets which you will see below to the tune of £160 plus a losing placepot perm at Cheltenham costing £32 and was running good until the 5th leg when I could not get one in the frame and was now reliant in the Football for a Saturday sweat..

As you can see it went pretty well
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8914/winnerwinner.jpg[/img]](http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8914/winnerwinner.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

Top line Portsmouth blow out but bottom 2 lines resulting in £80 staked and £435.81 returned
then
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£62 staked and £801.23 returned
followed by
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which meant that at 5pm on Saturday afternoon I could let the Norwich v Man U bet ride and win another £1436 or....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
As I am a complete nit and safe in the knowledge that Camel nor Bad Beat would ever read this I decided that the "Utility" (copyright Honeybadger/Lil D) of safeguarding some profit from this bet was good for me and as the overs was 1/2 hedging some at 6/4 unders was the way to go so placed a nitty £400 to win £600 on under 2.5

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2125/hedge.jpg[/img]](http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2125/hedge.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

18/11 I got up at 5am to sweat the golf to find our man was -3 for his round after 6 holes and despite a bogey on the 9th he made 4 birdies on the back 9 and thought my phone would be buzzing with Gratz from Dubai but despite me keeping him updated he was at some P Diddy party living it up and was dead to the world so woke up to find he didnt have a sweat as he finished 3rd so my final total was £263 @ 9/2 giving a Dubai Balance of £1446.50

Due to Petra doing a photo shoot at home  I had Max for the day and whilst he slept had a study for the F1 race in America and when I research I look at Friday's long practice qualifying, Qualifying in general and all the driver and team quotes from the weekend on various websites and blogs before checking the markets and deciding on a bet and yet again founf they had underestimated the Bruno Senna chances of a points finish at 5/4 as he was starting (at the time of placing the bet) on the clean side of the track and was in 11th so texted Dubai to put £400 on at 5/4, I also thought Sunderland were likely to get more cards vs Fulham and had £220 @ 3/4 and whilst they had 3 cards to Fulhams 2 the market we had to play was most bookings points and one of Fulhams was a Red so it was a 35pts-30pt loser so I pressed another £224 on Bruno Senna leaving a balance of £600 with the bet to run.

Due to bathtime with Max being Dad time and dinner I had Sky plussed the F1 and sat down with the phone switched off for no spoilers to watch the build up to the race and found out that Ferrari hadtook an engine change or something resulting in a 5 place penalty for Massa promoting Alonso to the clean side of the track and pushing our man Senna to the dirty side but he got off to a good start and  was quickly up to 10th before peaking at 8th and eventually despite being in 11th for a while the pitstops were always going to result in a points finish and despite a final 6lap sweat where he was wheel to wheel with his teammate the Dubai balance rose to £2004 and an amazeballs weekend sending us to St.Kitts in great spirits.

Hopefully this time I dont come back to work with the knives in my back like in September....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on November 19, 2012, 01:17:51 PM
tl;dr


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on November 19, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
tl;dr

Let me paraphrase it for you
Blah, blah, blah
Luckbox

:)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
Well I have now finally had chance to catch up at work/home and catch up with threads on here so can update the past week and St.Kitts where we had an absolutely amazing time and I shall post some photo's up here over the next few days.

St.Kitts was beautifull and I have to say a massive thanks to all at DTD who made it such a special trip and if they were to say they were doing the whole thing again next year my name would defo be on the list. The journey was fine with Maz being really well behaved on the 10 hour flight and it was good to have my friend Steve O'Keefe and his family on the seats behind us so he was entertained and once there you could honestly not wish for a better setting with good food, chilling by the beach or in the pool during the day and a bit of poker at night.

Poker wise I played the "win the button" tourney and was sat to the right of Elwood so basically didnt have to post many blinds but also didnt make much chip progress either and departed 3 tables out and in the main event made day 2 with average chips but exited in 45th or something after losing a pot vs JP and giving him his second double through on the way to rebuilding his stack from 7bb's when I lost A6 v A7 bvb aipf on 1010Q with Foxy chirping up "chop it up for my friends"  :( but then in the $500 side event on the Sunday albeit a fairly small field we managed a niche flag for the herbiemob

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=165320 (http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=165320)

Which also meant that having won some $$ in the cash games we came back with $3500 more than we came with and booked a winning trip.

Any readers of this who were there will probably remember this guy
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8382/mihaimanole.jpg[/img]](http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8382/mihaimanole.jpg) (http://[IMG)
who was with the Romanian group and in the $500 he just spewed agressively like his friend on my table but he has a very nice herbie to his name with 15 different flags  ;)

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=76910 (http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=76910)


The rest of the time I suppose the break was for me anyway a mix of family and lads holiday with Petra (the abs legend that she is) saying on the first day "If you want to spend some time with the boys dw but remember that we are here as well" and I think I had the mix abs perfect as during the day Max and myself were in the pool with Petra just chilling and when some of the heros were around we would be sipping cocktails by the pool bar with them and Max got to meet and high five ledge's from Blonde whilst splashing around.

As Petra had given me a pass out I returned the favour and let her have a couple of evenings out with the girls and I had Max although when she got back I could slip out for a few rum punches  oi oi they were incred!!  I also got chance to play golf with Dempsey on the Monday and despite not hitting a ball for over 2 years shot 37 pts stableford off a handicap of 20 for us to win the team event although I have to say it's a good job I have big shoulders as it was a tough job carrying the big man around that golf course  ;)

Again thanks to DTD and also to everyone who took time to make Petra and Max feel welcome as Poker does not always get good publicity but there was not one badun on this trip and they both thouroughly enjoyed themselves with Max's overall fav's from the trip being David Amos's daughter Lucy  ( a credit to Dave!) and LilD and of course my Miami Vice pal Dubai!!
So what's been happening since I got back....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
The evening before we left I had a balance of £2k left with Dubai and I invested £200 in Andy Carrol to break his duck that evening which was a loser and since then have lost £200 in a btts double Bury vs Southend and Inter/Palermo with the Italian match the only Sunday one without both teams scoring FML plus a PUNTERS bet on the footie handicap going by the wayside with not one of the 3 teams covering ironing out another £100 then on Sunday after seeing Camel/bobby saying some shrewdies were on NY Jets got £330 on the -5.5pt handicap and the result is one of the reason I hate betting on NFL as with 1 minute to play the Jets are 13 Yds from the endzone and lead by 1pt so I need a touchdown to collect and on this particular play they get another first down but the guy could have scored a touchdown if he carried on running but the "correct play was for him to STOP on the 1yd line and then they "take the knee" to end the game as if they score the touchdown which wins my bet the other team get the ball back and have the chance to get a touchdown and score an extra point which would send the match to overtime.

I had a small winner on over points in the Philly v Dallas game to claw back some ££ and then fancied Wigan +1 on the handicap but Dub's said laying Newcastle was better so I did that for £330 which was GG after 12mins so currently have £840 locked up with him.

As soon as we were back home Weds it was a case of me picking up the paint brush again as whilst we were away we had a downstairs toilet fitted in the old understairs cupboard and also in the 2nd bedroom had wardrobes and a toy trunk for Max fitted into the recesses of the chimney breast as we are hoping to move Max in there after Christmas to give him a few months to acclimatise to being in a big bedroom and his first bed so that come March we dont have him not settled and the newborn crying as well (well that's the plan anyways) so I have a list of stuff that I need to do which started literally the minute we got back home Weds morning before back to work Thurs.

The boys in the office did really well whilst I was away and there was no repeat of my last break away which was good plus they had a great sales result so we are in good shape going into next year. Petra was getting everything ready to fly to Slovakia Sunday which obv required different clothing to St.Kitts as thye currently have quite a bit of snow there so Bikini's were not needed and this is the last time she can fly and see her folks before the baby is due and gives her chance to see them before Christmas and she is a real trooper as being a nit she is flying with Max, 1 sports bag as hand luggage which needs to be caried, a pushchair and all this whilst being 6months pregnant obv it helps when you are good looking and can just ask someone for help but much kudos to her!!

So the back end of my week looked like this Friday work and then left at 2pm to get to DTD for the £500 which on Friday I played really badly followed by the drive back down south and up early for work for Saturday, rinse repeat the drive back upto DTD to reload and whilst the second bullet went better I exited on a bluff in a triple avg pot at 4/800 avg 52k feeling I had some equity but actually was drawing dead due to the turn being the nut card for my oppo and another drive down south was made before Sunday taking Petra to Luton airport for her flight which enabled me to play the £50 Sunday afternoon tourney  where I finished 4th for £280 and had the priveldge of doubling up all bar 2 of the players  on the final table and was chastised for 5mins when I refused a saver of £50 for the 3 players who would not get paid and gave in after hearing "you will obv bubble", "we allways do deals", "the poker gods wont look good on you if you keep saying no"   ok ok give the next 3 £50 but it was all good.

Tuesday evening me and the boys in the office made a late decision to go and watch Southend play Brentford in the JP trophy and the owner of the firm came along as well which meant he paid for everything so after the match we end up in the Westcliff Casino on the seafront which has been refurbished by Genting and looks really good with a large central cocktail bar
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4808/cocktailbar.jpg[/img]](http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4808/cocktailbar.jpg) (http://[IMG)

and is set up that it will be the place for everyone to roll out of the clubs and donate with the 24hour opening now it is so easy to see how people will be seduced into it and after a few drinks there I donated £60 to the million pound makeover but that is all they were getting from me although I regret the 3am getting in with a days wrk on the house needed yesterday!

After 7 hours graft I decided to play the monthly £100 at said casino and a £5k gtee and watched 8x raises galore and just sat quietly hoping I might pick up a hand or even a spot to get some chips but this didnt happen till3 tables out and with 28k at 6/1200 after an older gentleman of the any2 variety opens utg to 10k I ship QQ and get called by the sb with  4d 5d AI for his 20k and AQo OR and finish second to 45 obv leaving me 8k but a few ships later and a couple of get theres I had 80k with the avg 55k and sailed into the final table which was fairly short as the blinds were so high  and the avg stack only 13bigs so a chompyesque 7way chop of £700 each as there were many friends on the table including S O'Keefe, Dave Barnes (now residing in Southend) and other local faces from my old days there leaving £350 to play for deal was done and I bust in 3rd so added the profits to the £100 won in the cash game on the first break and a good night was had by all  ;)

Back in work after the 4.30 finish and am flagging already plus got more work on the house to do tonight as want to get to DTD Sat afternoon before Petra fly's back Sunday...



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 06, 2012, 11:54:32 AM
Wal. Love the diary


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2012, 11:58:04 AM
Wal. Love the diary
<3 drunk herbie

WP the weekend bud!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 06, 2012, 12:00:19 PM
Wal. Love the diary
<3 drunk herbie

WP the weekend bud!!
lol Ty. Not out if it yet by a long way tho :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 06, 2012, 02:50:04 PM
Max's overall fav's from the trip being David Amos's daughter Lucy  ( a credit to Dave!) and LilD and of course my Miami Vice pal Dubai!!

Kid's a lil legend!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Foxy on December 07, 2012, 03:41:06 AM
Nice read as ever more please. What a hero doing DIY, driving all over for a game of poker, betting on random sports,back to the office with no sleep. How do you fit it all in? I feel come March we can say GG and WP Ritch.  ;surrender;                         The Romanian group were very good players but they did take it a bit to seriously for me, I caught the one guy reading super system around the pool.. I called him pigeon he looked confused, he had the last lath finalling in the main event.   Eureka effect/ blonde moment  Herbie flag means Hendon Mob Flag... if this was facebook id click the ILIKE tab.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Karabiner on December 07, 2012, 11:50:23 AM
Just caught up the last few pages and I'm exhausted, where do you get the energy?

Really excellent diarage.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 08, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
Nice read as ever more please. What a hero doing DIY, driving all over for a game of poker, betting on random sports,back to the office with no sleep. How do you fit it all in? I feel come March we can say GG and WP Ritch.  ;surrender;                         The Romanian group were very good players but they did take it a bit to seriously for me, I caught the one guy reading super system around the pool.. I called him pigeon he looked confused, he had the last lath finalling in the main event.   Eureka effect/ blonde moment  Herbie flag means Hendon Mob Flag... if this was facebook id click the ILIKE tab.
Cheers Foxy
Yeah Herbie Flag = Hendon Mob after Jason constantly made reference to peoples records.

Ps everyone took it more seriously than you as you were necking the heineken's faster than we could order them although I was vvvv impressed with the early morning run after a late session!

See you in January


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 08, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
Just caught up the last few pages and I'm exhausted, where do you get the energy?

Really excellent diarage.
Cheers Ralph
I guess many late nights means you get used to driving around and burning the candle both ends plus staying fit helps as Petra tells me  "give energy to get energy"

Obv everything that she tells me is correct or at least that is what I let her think  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 08, 2012, 12:28:16 PM
DOING THE RIGHT THING

Sometimes in our Estate Agency game you do the right thing and it turns round and smacks you in the face and this week it happened to us and has now cost us a £6000 fee to the office  :(

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg[/img]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

This house came on the market about 3 weeks ago for £450'000 and although it is a quieter time of year there are still some motivated viewers out there and after 5 viewings in the first week we were lucky to have 2 competing offers on the property at £440k and £445k respectively.
Client A is sold subject to contract through ourselves and ready to go at 440k
Client B is on the market with us and not sold but comes from a well off family who can help him proceed without selling but his offer at 445k is based upon a sale on his house which is £25k overpriced

After both offers were place the vendors after advice from us decided to accept client A's offer and the process starts, but 72 hours later client B has knocked on the door to see why they were not successful in being accepted to be told that they were not proceedable which they then told the vendor they could proceed by selling the property to his sister who didnt need to sell rendering their offer the better offer.

So naturally as we abide by the Estate Agency act we resubmitted the offer based on this info and told client A that a higher offer had now been made and he was no longer the chosen buyer but could obv raise his offer and we would resubmit it to the vendors, I also took the time to speak with all 3 parties including the vendors to go through the various scenario's of what if and if client A raised to £445 then we should ask both parties to submit "best and final" offers in writing by a deadline of Thursday 5pm.

Client A raised and we went to best and final and waited till 4pm before contacting both clients to be told by client A that - they had now offered on another property as were not prepared to offer  higher than 445k and 3 mins later an email (bottled the phone call) came in from client B saying he was withdrawing his offer due to not wanting to enter into a bartering situation that he felt we had caused and was not proceeding any further.

We tried to get client A to change his mind and even intimated that if he reduced his offer to the previously agreed figure of £440'000 then it may be looked on favourably so as of today I have informed the vendor that having had 2 buyers we now have no buyers due to handling things in the right way instead of telling them to stick with client A and trying to hide the other buyer away  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 08, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
After receiving a text from Dubai to say WTF with the chosen photo of the birthday boy (cant believe no-one else picked up on it) he informed me he liked T6 in the 9.24 Romford and to have a look at the race and let him know what I thought, which was to have £200 on for me at the best available price of 6/4 as it looked a good thing to lead and if it did would not be picked up and was against a a fast finisher who was vying for favouritism making the market.

So we had £200 on and later in the day decided this looked a really good thing so walked across the road to Ladbrokes and wagered another £200 at 6/4

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9308/planningp.jpg[/img]](http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9308/planningp.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

As he was out partying the only text he needed was to know it was 2 clear round the first bend and finished 3 1/2 clear meaning a good evening wa shad by all no doubt.

Today I dont rally fancy much but have invested £80 on btts matches with my favs for the weekend being
Burton v Accrington, Rotherham v Gillingham, Ipswich v Millwall, Port Vale v Chesterfield and Bury v Leton O being the cornerstones of my accas

also a cheeky 4 team draw acca for £20 with Villa, Forest, Crawley, Fleetwood

GL to all the PUNTERS out there this weekend!!

Oh and driving up after work to DTD for the £100 today as Petra and Max not back till tomoz so can swing out hoping to make 3 finals in a week of local comps!!



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: pokerfan on December 08, 2012, 03:14:09 PM
Ha, just read this after posting on birthday thread.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 08, 2012, 06:09:32 PM
Ha, just read this after posting on birthday thread.
;)

Comma day on the footie today will give deets on Monday and now at DTD although donated 30% of my stack around the table so far.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 09, 2012, 02:17:16 PM
Nice read as ever more please. What a hero doing DIY, driving all over for a game of poker, betting on random sports,back to the office with no sleep. How do you fit it all in? I feel come March we can say GG and WP Ritch.  ;surrender;                         The Romanian group were very good players but they did take it a bit to seriously for me, I caught the one guy reading super system around the pool.. I called him pigeon he looked confused, he had the last lath finalling in the main event.   Eureka effect/ blonde moment  Herbie flag means Hendon Mob Flag... if this was facebook id click the ILIKE tab.
Obv reading works Foxy as I have just seen he went onto win the ME in St.Maarten for 110k euro the week after we left St.Kitts

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=110229 (http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=110229)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: david3103 on December 09, 2012, 05:35:52 PM
Was he the guy sat to my left on Day 3?

No fold button?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 09, 2012, 05:44:35 PM
Was he the guy sat to my left on Day 3?

No fold button?
Just a thin I made day3 brag imo  ;)

Think so he was fairly tall and skinny unlike the other Romanians who looked like rugby players


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: david3103 on December 09, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Was he the guy sat to my left on Day 3?

No fold button?
Just a thin I made day3 brag imo  ;)

Think so he was fairly tall and skinny unlike the other Romanians who looked like rugby players

Every chance I get  ;D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: blueace on December 10, 2012, 09:56:51 AM
DOING THE RIGHT THING

Sometimes in our Estate Agency game you do the right thing and it turns round and smacks you in the face and this week it happened to us and has now cost us a £6000 fee to the office  :(

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg[/img]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

This house came on the market about 3 weeks ago for £450'000 and although it is a quieter time of year there are still some motivated viewers out there and after 5 viewings in the first week we were lucky to have 2 competing offers on the property at £440k and £445k respectively.
Client A is sold subject to contract through ourselves and ready to go at 440k
Client B is on the market with us and not sold but comes from a well off family who can help him proceed without selling but his offer at 445k is based upon a sale on his house which is £25k overpriced

After both offers were place the vendors after advice from us decided to accept client A's offer and the process starts, but 72 hours later client B has knocked on the door to see why they were not successful in being accepted to be told that they were not proceedable which they then told the vendor they could proceed by selling the property to his sister who didnt need to sell rendering their offer the better offer.

So naturally as we abide by the Estate Agency act we resubmitted the offer based on this info and told client A that a higher offer had now been made and he was no longer the chosen buyer but could obv raise his offer and we would resubmit it to the vendors, I also took the time to speak with all 3 parties including the vendors to go through the various scenario's of what if and if client A raised to £445 then we should ask both parties to submit "best and final" offers in writing by a deadline of Thursday 5pm.

Client A raised and we went to best and final and waited till 4pm before contacting both clients to be told by client A that - they had now offered on another property as were not prepared to offer  higher than 445k and 3 mins later an email (bottled the phone call) came in from client B saying he was withdrawing his offer due to not wanting to enter into a bartering situation that he felt we had caused and was not proceeding any further.

We tried to get client A to change his mind and even intimated that if he reduced his offer to the previously agreed figure of £440'000 then it may be looked on favourably so as of today I have informed the vendor that having had 2 buyers we now have no buyers due to handling things in the right way instead of telling them to stick with client A and trying to hide the other buyer away  :(

Its dealing with this sort of shit and getting nothing out of it but bad feeling that the public dont understand.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 10:01:44 AM
DOING THE RIGHT THING

Sometimes in our Estate Agency game you do the right thing and it turns round and smacks you in the face and this week it happened to us and has now cost us a £6000 fee to the office  :(

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg[/img]](http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3586/dsc0028qi.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

This house came on the market about 3 weeks ago for £450'000 and although it is a quieter time of year there are still some motivated viewers out there and after 5 viewings in the first week we were lucky to have 2 competing offers on the property at £440k and £445k respectively.
Client A is sold subject to contract through ourselves and ready to go at 440k
Client B is on the market with us and not sold but comes from a well off family who can help him proceed without selling but his offer at 445k is based upon a sale on his house which is £25k overpriced

After both offers were place the vendors after advice from us decided to accept client A's offer and the process starts, but 72 hours later client B has knocked on the door to see why they were not successful in being accepted to be told that they were not proceedable which they then told the vendor they could proceed by selling the property to his sister who didnt need to sell rendering their offer the better offer.

So naturally as we abide by the Estate Agency act we resubmitted the offer based on this info and told client A that a higher offer had now been made and he was no longer the chosen buyer but could obv raise his offer and we would resubmit it to the vendors, I also took the time to speak with all 3 parties including the vendors to go through the various scenario's of what if and if client A raised to £445 then we should ask both parties to submit "best and final" offers in writing by a deadline of Thursday 5pm.

Client A raised and we went to best and final and waited till 4pm before contacting both clients to be told by client A that - they had now offered on another property as were not prepared to offer  higher than 445k and 3 mins later an email (bottled the phone call) came in from client B saying he was withdrawing his offer due to not wanting to enter into a bartering situation that he felt we had caused and was not proceeding any further.

We tried to get client A to change his mind and even intimated that if he reduced his offer to the previously agreed figure of £440'000 then it may be looked on favourably so as of today I have informed the vendor that having had 2 buyers we now have no buyers due to handling things in the right way instead of telling them to stick with client A and trying to hide the other buyer away  :(

Its dealing with this sort of shit and getting nothing out of it but bad feeling that the public dont understand.
I knew I would find some support from a former fellow agent  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 10, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
Rich isn't this like the gazumping which was rife in the 80's/90's. It does seem to be out of order, not by you obv.
This reminded me of my father in law who was a top consultant radiologist for 30 years. He worked for the NHS at the same hospital for pretty much all of his career and also worked privately. About 10 years ago he was approached by a hospital which was opening a new specialised unit dealing with breast cancers and they asked him if he'd like to head it. They offered him a big increase to his annual salary and the promise of contributing another to his pension pot. He accepted and for openess his new employer asked him to let his existing employer what was going on.
He told his existing hospital and they immediately offered him more money to stay. He turned this down as he wasn't trying to get more money and that he had already accepted the new position.

The following day the new hospital withdrew their offer because the old hospital had called them to say my father in law was playing them off against each other. This off course was untrue. So with the new job out of the window he went back to his employer and told them unless they honour the counter offer they made he was handing his notice in and going to retire. They gave him the money but after 2 years he had had enough and retired taking himself off the medical register 6 months later because they kept hassling him to come back.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Acidmouse on December 10, 2012, 10:20:16 AM
Some estate agents are bottom of the food chain in terms of how they act. We had 4-5 well established agents trying to steal our business when we were moving. Very naughty, even shit talking the place we went with.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 10:26:00 AM
Rich isn't this like the gazumping which was rife in the 80's/90's. It does seem to be out of order, not by you obv.
This reminded me of my father in law who was a top consultant radiologist for 30 years. He worked for the NHS at the same hospital for pretty much all of his career and also worked privately. About 10 years ago he was approached by a hospital which was opening a new specialised unit dealing with breast cancers and they asked him if he'd like to head it. They offered him a big increase to his annual salary and the promise of contributing another to his pension pot. He accepted and for openess his new employer asked him to let his existing employer what was going on.
He told his existing hospital and they immediately offered him more money to stay. He turned this down as he wasn't trying to get more money and that he had already accepted the new position.

The following day the new hospital withdrew their offer because the old hospital had called them to say my father in law was playing them off against each other. This off course was untrue. So with the new job out of the window he went back to his employer and told them unless they honour the counter offer they made he was handing his notice in and going to retire. They gave him the money but after 2 years he had had enough and retired taking himself off the medical register 6 months later because they kept hassling him to come back.
Wow great story, with employment I have always been a great believer that once you have decided to go then you should and never try to reneg with your current employer as if they felt you were worth it why didnt they give you that ££ in the first place plus if you say you are going then stay I always think the company feel they own you a little more as they "gave you a rise"  just my opinion obv.

Gazumping well yes it is close to it but the other chap changed his situation and re-inforced his offer so it's not quite the same as he didnt offer higher just to get the property his offer was that anyway it just sucks that we were more confident with buyer A but could not hide offer B and then you have to do the right thing...

Sounds like your father in law was well respected in that field.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 10:30:04 AM
Some estate agents are bottom of the food chain in terms of how they act. We had 4-5 well established agents trying to steal our business when we were moving. Very naughty, even shit talking the place we went with.
I remember the troubles you had at the time and unfortunately there are bad apples in every town, I try to deal with people and advise them as if they were a member of my own family and then believe that I can never give bad advice.

Obv in the current economic climate EA business has dropped by 30-50% for some firms so they are desperate for business and will do anything to survive ie undercutting for business which is very very short term and it only takes a short to ruin your reputation in a town/city


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 10, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
Details of comma day?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 10:33:53 AM
Details of comma day?
Patience young man just waiting the evidence to download!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: bobAlike on December 10, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Rich isn't this like the gazumping which was rife in the 80's/90's. It does seem to be out of order, not by you obv.
This reminded me of my father in law who was a top consultant radiologist for 30 years. He worked for the NHS at the same hospital for pretty much all of his career and also worked privately. About 10 years ago he was approached by a hospital which was opening a new specialised unit dealing with breast cancers and they asked him if he'd like to head it. They offered him a big increase to his annual salary and the promise of contributing another to his pension pot. He accepted and for openess his new employer asked him to let his existing employer what was going on.
He told his existing hospital and they immediately offered him more money to stay. He turned this down as he wasn't trying to get more money and that he had already accepted the new position.

The following day the new hospital withdrew their offer because the old hospital had called them to say my father in law was playing them off against each other. This off course was untrue. So with the new job out of the window he went back to his employer and told them unless they honour the counter offer they made he was handing his notice in and going to retire. They gave him the money but after 2 years he had had enough and retired taking himself off the medical register 6 months later because they kept hassling him to come back.
Wow great story, with employment I have always been a great believer that once you have decided to go then you should and never try to reneg with your current employer as if they felt you were worth it why didnt they give you that ££ in the first place plus if you say you are going then stay I always think the company feel they own you a little more as they "gave you a rise"  just my opinion obv.

Gazumping well yes it is close to it but the other chap changed his situation and re-inforced his offer so it's not quite the same as he didnt offer higher just to get the property his offer was that anyway it just sucks that we were more confident with buyer A but could not hide offer B and then you have to do the right thing...

Sounds like your father in law was well respected in that field.

It must be quite difficult when you represent both the seller and buyer to be totally impartial. As you say doing the right thing can screw you up more often than not.

Yes my father in law had a cushy job. He used to go all over the world advising on gastroenterology (his speciality) and also buying equipment with millions in his back pocket. He used to get treated like a rock star when on a buying trip. Limos and all. He like the quiet life now and is very much enjoying his retirement.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 02:04:17 PM
Rich isn't this like the gazumping which was rife in the 80's/90's. It does seem to be out of order, not by you obv.
This reminded me of my father in law who was a top consultant radiologist for 30 years. He worked for the NHS at the same hospital for pretty much all of his career and also worked privately. About 10 years ago he was approached by a hospital which was opening a new specialised unit dealing with breast cancers and they asked him if he'd like to head it. They offered him a big increase to his annual salary and the promise of contributing another to his pension pot. He accepted and for openess his new employer asked him to let his existing employer what was going on.
He told his existing hospital and they immediately offered him more money to stay. He turned this down as he wasn't trying to get more money and that he had already accepted the new position.

The following day the new hospital withdrew their offer because the old hospital had called them to say my father in law was playing them off against each other. This off course was untrue. So with the new job out of the window he went back to his employer and told them unless they honour the counter offer they made he was handing his notice in and going to retire. They gave him the money but after 2 years he had had enough and retired taking himself off the medical register 6 months later because they kept hassling him to come back.
Wow great story, with employment I have always been a great believer that once you have decided to go then you should and never try to reneg with your current employer as if they felt you were worth it why didnt they give you that ££ in the first place plus if you say you are going then stay I always think the company feel they own you a little more as they "gave you a rise"  just my opinion obv.

Gazumping well yes it is close to it but the other chap changed his situation and re-inforced his offer so it's not quite the same as he didnt offer higher just to get the property his offer was that anyway it just sucks that we were more confident with buyer A but could not hide offer B and then you have to do the right thing...

Sounds like your father in law was well respected in that field.

It must be quite difficult when you represent both the seller and buyer to be totally impartial. As you say doing the right thing can screw you up more often than not.

Yes my father in law had a cushy job. He used to go all over the world advising on gastroenterology (his speciality) and also buying equipment with millions in his back pocket. He used to get treated like a rock star when on a buying trip. Limos and all. He like the quiet life now and is very much enjoying his retirement.
that's the thing we dont actually represent the buyer and everything we do is about the seller who pays the fees hence you have to act in their interest so hiding offers is against that and obv can cost them money.

Ahhh retirement seems like a long way away..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 02:22:38 PM
Today I dont rally fancy much but have invested £80 on btts matches with my favs for the weekend being
Burton v Accrington, Rotherham v Gillingham, Ipswich v Millwall, Port Vale v Chesterfield and Bury v Leton O being the cornerstones of my accas

also a cheeky 4 team draw acca for £20 with Villa, Forest, Crawley, Fleetwood

GL to all the PUNTERS out there this weekend!!


Details of comma day?

Well despite these teams doing tez and just Forest letting me down for the draw four fold which paid £2200  :( I had a bet with Dubai which was from my £1100 held by him and had a £300 double on QPR to win or draw vs Stoke @ 575/1000 and Wycombe to win or draw vs Morecambe @ 381/1000 with both teams drawing 2-2 this meant a total return of £652.52 and profit of £352.52

Then I had this cop
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and finally for Saturday all the boys in the office we have a goals challenge on certain matches and throw in a fiver each and this last 2 weeks they introduced  a new coupon for us to use and see who gets the most right and as people who know me would confirm there is no way I could have a stab at this which pays 33/1 if you get them right and not have a few quid on as well so stuck £15 on at 33/1 and oioioi

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Which brought a total return for the day of £1615.24 from a staked figure of £450 and despite not making  the money or getting close it was good to catch up with a few blondes and meet the legend that is Tal.



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
Sunday was a different day altogether with a big loser and an average winner

I really fancied BTTS in the Burton v Accrington so invested £452 out the £1452 held by Dubai at 4/6 & 8/13 but it was 1-0 with the away side losing their best striker James Beattie in the warm up  :( but then redressed some of the balance with
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2796/liverpoolj.jpg[/img]](http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2796/liverpoolj.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)

to make it a decent week of punting and left me in good spirits to pick up Petra and Max from the airport when they flew back from Slovakia Sunday evening  :)



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 10, 2012, 02:54:09 PM
Said it once and no doubt I will say it many more times. WAFL.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: mondatoo on December 10, 2012, 02:59:14 PM
Said it once and no doubt I will say it many more times. WAFL.

Ha, was just about to post WAL, congrats Rich.

Probs the only person I enjoy reading aftertimings from, probs because you post the losers too. Good stories also, moarrrrrr.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Said it once and no doubt I will say it many more times. WAFL.

Ha, was just about to post WAL, congrats Rich.

Probs the only person I enjoy reading aftertimings from, probs because you post the losers too. Good stories also, moarrrrrr.
Cheers Monda
Obv would love to post all before but sometimes imposs with work and random punts but as bet with Shallow a lot I know he would defo call me out if I forgot to mention any of them and believe there would be no point in doing it if I didnt post the losers as well.

Due to limited time next year may have to just do this on a weekly warts and all basis, not sure what to do yet.....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 10, 2012, 03:17:58 PM
You say I bok your bets, I personally think it's more a case of you somehow are able to only txt me your losers, keeping all the binks to yourself. I don't know why I read this diary. Tilts me so bad..  :'(

Least I have my hair. But for how long?



Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
You say I bok your bets, I personally think it's more a case of you somehow are able to only txt me your losers, keeping all the binks to yourself. I don't know why I read this diary. Tilts me so bad..  :'(

Least I have my hair. But for how long?


Just until you lose that as well  :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 10, 2012, 03:24:06 PM
You say I bok your bets, I personally think it's more a case of you somehow are able to only txt me your losers, keeping all the binks to yourself. I don't know why I read this diary. Tilts me so bad..  :'(

Least I have my hair. But for how long?


Just until you lose that as well  :P

NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Although it does seem to have started trying to run away from my face recently


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 10, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
You say I bok your bets, I personally think it's more a case of you somehow are able to only txt me your losers, keeping all the binks to yourself. I don't know why I read this diary. Tilts me so bad..  :'(

Least I have my hair. But for how long?


Just until you lose that as well  :P

NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Although it does seem to have started trying to run away from my face recently
That's how it starts mate, trust me I know!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 12, 2012, 05:48:52 PM
It's pretty scary when you are expecting a baby (obv not me) as you always have that nagging feeling about things especially as for the past 3 weeks Petra has been flying all over the place with one trip without me and having to take Max and luggage etc with her so when they got back the weekend it was great to see them and get back to family life although Max has a small rash on his skin which he is now having to have cream applied all over 3 times a day in a massage kinda way. He obviously loves this and just lies or sits there whilst we massage him legs and feet then arms torso back and neck and head just gotta hope Petra does not expect the same!!

Monday though I got the call from her that having been back 24 hours she cant remember feeling the baby move  which instantly fills you with negative thoughts and they do recc that if over a 24 hour period you have not felt the baby move then you should contact them so off to the NHS drop in place she went and luckily all is ok and the baby was probably knackered from all the travelling she has been doing and fingers crossed all will be ok.

Day off yesterday so as per a couple of pages ago it's a case of getting Max's new room ready but I'm now at Paintbrush stage having Stripped and sanded the floor so it just needs varnishing (ME), Re-plastered after I stripped the wall paper off (NOT ME), had wardrobes and toy trunk built into various recesses (NOT ME) and now the painting of ceiling and feature coving, picture rails, walls, skirting and then the wardrobes and toy trunk which were fitted by a chippy friend (not Leethefish although I understand he has reasonable rates) before finishing the floor so that's my job list before Xmas and I really need to get it done as there are some decent events I am playing from Boxing day to UKIPT Ediburgh and will post deets in a few days.

Lost £200 last night on Arsenal -1 goal vs Bradford as most on here did and tonight am going to back Bansha Mo in the 8.00 Romford after a text from Barry Neville so if you want a winner just lay that and also am going to do 4 tricasts on the big race at 9.45 doing 3-1-2, 3-2-1, 6-1-2 and 6-2-1 probs £15 TC on each.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Killerkilsby on December 12, 2012, 08:11:14 PM
It's pretty scary when you are expecting a baby (obv not me) as you always have that nagging feeling about things especially as for the past 3 weeks Petra has been flying all over the place with one trip without me and having to take Max and luggage etc with her so when they got back the weekend it was great to see them and get back to family life although Max has a small rash on his skin which he is now having to have cream applied all over 3 times a day in a massage kinda way. He obviously loves this and just lies or sits there whilst we massage him legs and feet then arms torso back and neck and head just gotta hope Petra does not expect the same!!

Monday though I got the call from her that having been back 24 hours she cant remember feeling the baby move  which instantly fills you with negative thoughts and they do recc that if over a 24 hour period you have not felt the baby move then you should contact them so off to the NHS drop in place she went and luckily all is ok and the baby was probably knackered from all the travelling she has been doing and fingers crossed all will be ok.

Day off yesterday so as per a couple of pages ago it's a case of getting Max's new room ready but I'm now at Paintbrush stage having Stripped and sanded the floor so it just needs varnishing (ME), Re-plastered after I stripped the wall paper off (NOT ME), had wardrobes and toy trunk built into various recesses (NOT ME) and now the painting of ceiling and feature coving, picture rails, walls, skirting and then the wardrobes and toy trunk which were fitted by a chippy friend (not Leethefish although I understand he has reasonable rates) before finishing the floor so that's my job list before Xmas and I really need to get it done as there are some decent events I am playing from Boxing day to UKIPT Ediburgh and will post deets in a few days.

Lost £200 last night on Arsenal -1 goal vs Bradford as most on here did and tonight am going to back Bansha Mo in the 8.00 Romford after a text from Barry Neville so if you want a winner just lay that and also am going to do 4 tricasts on the big race at 9.45 doing 3-1-2, 3-2-1, 6-1-2 and 6-2-1 probs £15 TC on each.


Fancied Bansha Mo aswell but was off the pace from start. UL.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: flushthemout on December 12, 2012, 09:55:07 PM
fml, 2 x 20/1 shots, trap 4 in the final had wings


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
I have been uber busy IRL and find that having not posted on here for a day or so I then take 1 day to catch up on all the threads I like reading then miss a day, rinse repeat and it's just taken me 3 hours to catch up at work since doing the same yesterday  :(

Well the dogs and footie on the posts ^^ were no good and on Thursday I had received the text from Bazza Neville about the horse George Guru running at Kempton and due to being at a meeting in Cambridge that was supposed to finish at 3 giving me time to get on actually finishing at 5pm I missed out on the first winner he has given in about 10 selections.

On the Thursday evening I put £250 on Phil Taylor to win the PDC worlds and then pressed at 9/4 for another £350 on Friday morning but had to visit 3 ladbrokes shops locally as the offer was limited to £100 per customer so could do with him having a decent run and know the TFT thread want Van Gerwen to win but obv cant back him at the price now and think if Taylor brings his "A" game I should be in with a decent shout.

Saturday afternoon I had invested £60 in BTTS to no avail and had a £200 dbl on Wycombe or Draw and Wigan or Draw paying 6/4 which despite Wigan equalising and then bossing they didnt hold and my Dubai balance was lighter, I also met Ant040689 for the first time when after recc'ing the ASPERS Xmas Cracker tournament to him and him thanking me but probs swerving the event he rocks up at my table 2 to my right and due to the fast nature of the tournament and the card room a bit vague on levels  eg we start 20k on 30min clock at 50/100 and then after lvl 1 we played 150/300/25 for 2 hands and in the 2nd hand I dusted off 4k before they realised their mistake and made it 100/200 again and then lvl 3 150/300/25 so was literally in grind mode from start of level 2 n a comp where you really needed a good start.

Obv Ant is golden and sits down and wins 2/3 pots straight away before 5k of added prizes ie Ipads, Beats headphones were handed out and this was done with 1 prize per table with a 4 card omaha flip done and the best hand on each table winning a prize I held QQJ8cc and although we setted up on the turn couldnt find the house and lost to both ends of the straight and faded a pair of Beats Headphones although I have a pair I dont wear anyway.

The very next hand of the comp an older gent raises in EP and I find AKo with 30 bigs and 3b  before Ant slides out a min4 from the BB and after the old guy folds I am never folding in this spot in this comp and my stack and 5b allin and despite holding the  Ad on a 3 diamond board dont improve vs his KK and leave amongst the hoardes in Westfield with my 10% man Steve O'Keefe limping into day2.

Sunday and he is ITM and then built up a stack before it seemed v slow 6 handed and eventually he got Ko'd in 4th for £3500 and £350 to me losing to Ant who obv went onto win (grats btw) and despite never having met him and only spent a short while with him Ant shipped me a couple of hundo $$ via stars as a thx for letting him know about a local tournie with 10k added (top man!!).  I layed Spurs on Sunday to lose me £250 or win £350 and was hoping to lay it back at around 80mins but never got the chance and a late goal meant a further loss on the weekend.

So since then have nitted up and am doing so till the weekend as am going to busy in the run up to xmas at work and in real life with work to do on the house but might try to get to DTD sat evening to see Milligan as Santa...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 18, 2012, 01:54:06 PM
Getttttttttttttttttttt. This Saturday will be incred.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on December 18, 2012, 01:54:54 PM
Getttttttttttttttttttt. This Saturday will be incred.

so this


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2012, 01:55:50 PM
Getttttttttttttttttttt. This Saturday will be incred.

so this

DW when I say try it means obv gonna be there!!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2012, 03:45:34 PM

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!


Never heard of this before, but I will defo be doing it for the rest of my life! what a great lil quirk!

Bumped for Millidonk


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on December 18, 2012, 03:58:27 PM

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!


Never heard of this before, but I will defo be doing it for the rest of my life! what a great lil quirk!

Bumped for Millidonk

Oh yea, forgot about that. Defo gonna give this a shot. The 2012 runbad can gtfo of my house!


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Marky147 on December 18, 2012, 04:53:23 PM

Now its like I am turning into my Dad as at midnight now I open up the front door to let the New Year in and then open the back door to let the old year out!!


Never heard of this before, but I will defo be doing it for the rest of my life! what a great lil quirk!

Bumped for Millidonk

Oh yea, forgot about that. Defo gonna give this a shot. The 2012 runbad can gtfo of my house!

I'll have to position someone at the back door in my gaff, by the time I got from the front to open the back it would be xmas again :D


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 19, 2012, 10:44:46 AM
I love the start of the footie season and as soon as the Racing Post publish their guide put on a few mug punterish accas on season long stuff and 3 out of the last 4 years I have returned well over a grand with my biggest bink paying for a chunk of my wedding as documented early on in the diary.

This year I was lucky enough to have a Rory Mcllroy bink a week ago along with another sports double which gave me a pre season roll of a grand to play with and over the past week I have invested the LOT and am going to post all my accas and selections here for hopefull thin bragging rights come the end of the season.  Posted in the oreder I fancy them the most

Man City over Liverpool
Man Utd over Liverpool
Newcastle over Sunderland
QPR over West Ham
Darren Bent to score more league goals vs S.Long
Cardiff over Bristol City
Hull over Barnsley
Leicester over Forest
Leeds over Barnsley   £400 acca

I overated QPR at the start of the season and also obv could not forsee the D.Bent situation so this one is looking slim unless QPR go on a mad run and D.Bent gets a transfer then we are shot

Chelsea over Liverpool
Cardiff over Forest
Bradford over Northampton
Barnsley to be relegated  £275 acca

Chelsea 7pts good, Cardiff 11 pts good, Bradford 6pts good and Barnsley in the relegation zone atm so this has a strong chance and returns 250% of total outlaid so fingers crossed

Olympiacos to win the greek league
Cardiff over Forest
Reading over Southampton
Rotherham over Fleetwood
Chelsea without Man U and City  £80 Acca

Olympiacos 8pts clear, Cardiff 11 pts clear, Reading 6pts down and looking weak link, Rotherham 4pts up, chelsea in front atm but will be close between Arsenal,Spurs

Peterhead and Queens Park without Rangers
Luton to win the Blue Sq Prem
Barnsley to be relegated  2 x £30 Accas plus a further 2 x £15 accas with
Sheff Utd to win League 1
Southampton to be relegated

Peterhead and Queens Park currently 3rd and 4th 4+5pts behind respectively, Luton 6pts behind with 1 game in hand but very inconsistent, Barnsley in the relegation zone then with the bottom part Sheff Utd 1pt behind and Southampton just out of the relegation zone

Thought I would look at these for the first time in a while and underneath them are comments so far but I hope to have sweats in part 2 definately and 3/4 with a bit of run good.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 19, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
Part 2

Barnsley to be relegated
MK Dons to be promoted
Jelavic top Everton league scorer
Leicester over Forest  £90 acca

Barnsley in the zone, Mk Dons in the play off zone atm, Jelavic 2 goals down but Fellaini got a ban and poss transfer but unlikely imo, Leicester well clear atm

Malaga EW without Barcelona & R.Madrid
Prem Handicap (Hills)  QPR+37, Everton +27, Reading +46
League 1 Handicap  Sheff Utd Scr, MK Dons +3
6 x £3.50 EW Trebles

Looks like EW part at best would be landed

Prem Handicap   West Ham, Southampton, Reading, Stoke, QPR, Everton  (Laddies)
Champ Handicap  Leicester, Cardiff, Blackpool, Watford, Burnley
League 1 Handicap   Sheff Utd, MK Dons, Preston, Bournemouth, Notts County, Yeovil
League 2 Handicap   Rotherham, Southend, Bradford, Northampton, Torquay, Aldershot
1080 x 4p ew accas + 1080 4p win accas

Place part looks promising and if league 1+2 teams started doing better in second half could be a really good sweat

and finally

Torres Top Chelsea league scorer
Jelavic Top Everton league scorer
Accrington to be relegated
Reading over Southampton
Leicester over Forest
£50 acca

Top 2 parts got chances and Accrington currently doing their best to slide down the league but Reading over Southampton looking the bad part

They will all now be locked away and not looked at again untill the end of November!!!
Although some people will look at it in terms of a grand being layed out I personally find that it stops weekly punting just for the sake of it as you normally have a few sweats and are funking or antifunking different teams enough that you only bet on what you really fancy.  Works for me anyways...
so overall halftime report is that I hope to be collecting a couple of them and have a chance or 2 of a decent bink.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 21, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
We are in the last couple of days at work now and it's like pulling teeth as I am on my own with the boys using their last few days of annual leave and I have seen precisely 3 people in the office in the past 48 hours, one surveyor who came to give us a bottle of wine and biscuits for referring him some business this year, another client who had a problem transaction that we got through and a chap who came in to tell me we had a spelling mistake on one of our window cards (annoying but good of him to tell us).

Tomorrow is the last day and I shall be closing early as we wont be busy and also heading up to see Milligan in a santa outfit and share a few beers with Blondes at DTD and I thought I would be going up there having had a comma day yesterday but it was not meant to be and I had to settle for winning £200.

The day started with a text from Bazza Neville saying that the puppy in T2 in the 7.40 on Sky was a good pup and 11/8 coral best price so I noted it to watch later on and this was followed by a text saying Chjimes was a strong fancy in the 300 ling, now I run pretty bad as most do with Bazza's tips and reckon if I backed them all just to be in the frame (first3) I would do well so being on my own in the office decided to load £100 onto BF and placed £35 on the win and £65 on the place part and won £33.71 after comm when it finished 3rd so then decided I would punt around on there for the day putting small amounts on horses I thought would frame and had £33 on Topaz Collonges at 1.71 IR, then £55.95 (the profit for the day) on Noble Silk at 1.52 to give me £183.59 to punt on the dogs that evening whilst Petra was working in her mini office after dinner.

The first race was Bazza's tip and £43.59 showed a profit of £48.43 and at this point I looked at the last race of the night and thought Lemon Velvet had a good makeup and with every win I had started to put a bit more on out of the profit. The 8.00 and 8.20 races provided my only losers until the last race with bets on 2 dogs wothout the favs and a token £10 on Cavan Dancer in the 8.20 going down the swanny but parity was resotred with £65.02 on Lil Risky returning a profit of £115.16 then Aero Rebel £40 returning £78 profit.

The 9.10 I backed 2 dogs with £18 on T4 and £11.90 on T3 @ 6.43 to win another £63.50 before backing T2 without the Fav in the 9.25 and another small win leaving me with a liability of £164.82 @ average odds of 4.85 going into the big race where finally my luck ran out and an evening infront of the goggle box earnt a few beer tokens for the weekend.

Today I am going for a short priced double on PSG to win tonight and a dog at Romford later that will be odds on but want to see how the track runs first..


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 21, 2012, 11:54:17 AM
Barry picked 6 out of 7 at Sheffield a few weeks back. Did you get the text then?


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 21, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
Barry picked 6 out of 7 at Sheffield a few weeks back. Did you get the text then?
OFC not he only texts the losers  :(

He passes on bits he hears but sometimes theres no value so I dont back them all.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2012, 12:33:47 PM
Today I am going for a short priced double on PSG to win tonight and a dog at Romford later that will be odds on but want to see how the track runs first..

I run good as was watching darts and missed the dog which lost so just the single on PSG was landed along with a winner and loser with Dubai where backed BTTS for £150 in the Southend vs Chesterfield match which lost and Laid Blackpool vs Wolves to win 185 so small profit on the night.

Due to the weather I dont like that much today as feel can send matches either way but am having a DOUBLE CHANCE on Everton&Draw and Rotherham&Draw which pays 1.822 with Ladbrokes and my BTTS fancies for the day are Southampton,Birmingham,C Palace and Scunthorpe the more obvious ones Wigan and Peterboro also look good but are not much value at the prices.


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: smashedagain on December 22, 2012, 01:26:08 PM
Scunny match off. Water logged pitch


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: celtic on January 08, 2013, 05:40:27 PM
This was on page 2!!

Anyway, good to see you at the weekend, as always.

Got any good 'mum' gags? :)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 08, 2013, 05:43:32 PM
This was on page 2!!

Anyway, good to see you at the weekend, as always.

Got any good 'mum' gags? :)
Haha good bump, gonna do a full update in next 24 hours!!
Ps thanks for the Nando's  ;)


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2013, 12:58:49 PM
Ok well I'm back in the real world of work and real life so will have to do a TL;DR style post to catch up with what I have been upto and then will add some photo's and go back and review my 2012 goals later on.

Happy New Year everyone and lets hope 2013 is a healthy and prosperous one for all readers!

I will start back on 23rd December where I text Dubai and tell him I fancy laying Norwich and opposing whoever Swansea are playing over the next few weeks in the Prem league so started off with a lay of Man Utd vs Swansea leaving me a liability of £200 and when Man Utd went 1-0 up I told him to lay them again at an even shorter price for a further £100 which left me -£300 or + £650 and after Swansea equalised and a short time later I got out of the negative pos and my book was -£12 +£300 with the latter proving to be the winnings in the 1-1 draw, unfortunately all profits were done backing over total points in the Cincinatti vs Pittsburgh game and a break even day was had.

24/12 is Petra's Slovak Christmas Day so as described before we have 2 celebrations and open presents on both days and try to keep her day as traditional as possible which usually means we eat breakfast and then nothing till late afternoon when we have their traditional xmas meal of Fish soup which is made up from the head and fins etc of the Carp fish that has been filleted and the only difference from back home is that the Carp is normally caught in a lake and left in the bath swimming around for a couple of days to clean it out before being killed and eaten, obv does not sound amazing and the fish is really boney but it is actually a nice taste and is served with a potato salad and then desert.

I also sniffed out a bit of value as really thought Sizing Europe would be shorter than 1/2 for a race on 27/12 and had £400 on in advance which proved correct as it won at 1/3 and then Christmas came..

I have an incred wife as whilst she was browsing through the tv channels on xmas eve she say shall we watch this and being a red blooded male thought it would be rude to say no, obv I was watching for musical content  ;)

http://youtu.be/b7MJAjxXTSg (http://youtu.be/b7MJAjxXTSg)

My mum was with us for Christmas and Boxing Day and we had a great day with Max opening presents himself for the first time and Petra did an amazing Xmas dinner with my only input being a starter of Scallops with Chorizo and Black Pudding and a dash of sweet chilli sauce (in before Celtic tells me I'm sounding like Dubai) and it was a really nice family day.

Boxing Day started with some work on Max's room (pics to follow) and some studying of form before playing poker in the evening in the first event of my staking package and on the betting front the only bet had was £200 on Swansea win or draw and Chelsea win or draw at 2/5 & 1/8 which returned £315 total which immediately went on Swansea and draw and Man City and draw at 1.699 & 1.134 for the weekend as part of the Swans/Norwich plan.

I bricked the poker on boxing night and then the horse won which sent us to Bluff for their tournie in good spirits but never got going on day1b and needed to re-enter for 1c which went better and had an above average stack going to day2 with 107 left and 80 paid but unfortunately I lost some flips early on day2 eventually busting in 95th losing 88 vs A8cc which sent me home disappointed, more so after the investment of £100 on under 2.5 goals in the Sunderland vs Spurs match and£125 on Billy Kee to score for burton vs Southend at any time both lost leaving a lower Dubai balance than we went into Xmas with.

30/12 Lost £100 on the place market when backing George Guru to be in the top2 at Lingfield and more following Kukushkins tip on Over 41 match points in the Baltimore vs Cincy match with no points in the first qtr and it being exactly 41points for another loser, infact the only light at tother end of the tunnel on the betting front was the £450 invest on Phil Taylor as documented in the thread before the start of the darts at 9/4 but this was looking rubbish with MVG playing incred so had to sweat out him getting to the final before the tide started to turn.

NYE was a washout as neither Max nor Petra were awake at midnight so I was left to let the old year out the back door and the new year in through the front door alone and 2013 was here with me hoping to start off with a few winners as Petra tells me in Slovakia they say whatver happens on Jan 1st stays the whole year so it was important not to be a loser on Jan 1st...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2013, 04:03:34 PM
Jan 1st

I texted Shallow and told him I wasnt backing the Swansea/Draw, Norwich lose or Draw double as it only paid 1.43 which was too short although it came in so instead I lost £150 on 2nd half goals to be higher than 1st in SPurs vs reading and £150 on Wycombe vs Exeter BTTS and got the reply from him saying
"Bring on 2014 running bad already"

The evening was all about the darts and I had hedged my pos with a visit to 7 local ladbrokes shops to put £50 on each on MVG as they had an offer where if a player scored a 170 checkout you got stakes returned on losers to a max of £50 (small edges ftw) so when Power checked out in the second leg on 170 we got the free roll if Taylor wins which obv he did and a winner on Jan 1st 2013 we were!!

I used £250 of my free bets (laddies dont return hard cash apparently) on S.Bunting to win the BDO darts and had a further £150 with Shallow which got GG'd last night before backing Sunderland +1.25 @ 11/10 as they have played some decent sides and only lost by 1 goal until I back them ofc when they ship them in for fun and no further bets were placed till 4/1 when Shallow was at a loose end and wanted something to watch so as I didnt want him to lose alone I had £100 on over 2.5 goals in Walsall vs Portsmouth and after 40mins and 2-0 it looked good but despite over 30 shots on goal a 3rd one never materialised.

Saturday was just 1 bet £150 dbl Spurs 1/5 and Chelsea 4/6 with the whole £150 profit put on Houston -3.5pts vs Cincy @ 1.91 rendering a further £132 profit which turned more when I had £220 with Shallow on Arsenal to score 2+ goals vs Swansea at 10/11 and £110 on under 46pts total in Seattle vs Washington for a good punting weekend.

Which brings us to today on the punting front where we had lost and I still dont know how £220 Villa to score 2+ at 10/11 vs Bradford and £50 EW on Chompys horse at Donny.

Work has been a steady start with a couple of deals and it's picked up with client activity this week plus I have been offered a promotion to help run another office as well as my own as a mentor to one of my young guys who does not have the experience to manage yet but will work with me for 12-18months before taking over the reigns himself so this will bring a further ££ stream to the household which will be good whilst Petra is on her next Maternity leave but more on home life later...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: outragous76 on January 09, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
General thoughts on the housing market in January, both normal Januarys and January 2013?  - good or bad time to put it on if you are considering it?


(ninja edit) and hello, happy new year, all the best and all that  ;whistle;


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2013, 04:27:52 PM
General thoughts on the housing market in January, both normal Januarys and January 2013?  - good or bad time to put it on if you are considering it?

Generally not a bad time to put on the market however lots of vendors wait from end Oct till now so you do normally have more competition in the housing market therefore you need to be a bit more price sensitive unless you are in a quick sale area.

2013 IMO I cant see anything in the economy that will change to improve things so the rich will get richer in the south east and it will be tough elsewhere so would plan on doing the same business I did last year.

Spoke to 3 different shrewdies who reckon that although the Quantitive Easing is going to mean more ££££ made available for mortgage lending they all said independantly that 4-7 years time will be the next property crash and I was with them at different times over Xmas and New Year and none of them know each other....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 11, 2013, 10:57:25 AM
Thought I would post a few photos from St.Kitts and when I get round to it over the weekend I am going to do an"Alex" style montage of the year!

Max with Bandit's daughters
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Max in Love
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Sunrays
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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 11, 2013, 11:03:02 AM
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Classic Max

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This last one was taken from the top of the Hotel after we got chatting to one of the security guys and he took us in the lift to this special area where the views were incred and to the left behind us is the Atlantic Ocean and to the right is the Caribbean Ocean split by about 1/2 a mile.

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Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: StuartHopkin on January 11, 2013, 03:54:22 PM
I enjoyed meeting you briefly in the toilet at the weekend.  :kiss:


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 11, 2013, 04:27:32 PM
I enjoyed meeting you briefly in the toilet at the weekend.  :kiss:
Haha at least you washed your hands or at least I hope that was what the wetness was as we shook hands!

Yeah they defo should make the breaks longer at DTD to enable Blondes to have a proper chat and a beer.

Next time....


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: millidonk on January 11, 2013, 04:29:12 PM
I enjoyed meeting you briefly in the toilet at the weekend.  :kiss:

Glory holes ftw


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Leatherman on January 11, 2013, 09:28:28 PM
Great Pics mate...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 12, 2013, 01:45:59 PM
These were my goals for last year with results underneath each one


NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS/GOALS!!

1) Maintain this diary but this year I am going to keep a record of all my bets and poker tourneys to see how I get on as because any mini binks get swallowed up with life stuff it would be nice to see the true result (having been honest itt since the start I have no probs with this)

Achieved part one just about but failed to keep an exact record of results which is kinda disappointing as I know I won due to the holidays, work done on house we had.

2) Final table at least one poker event in the £200+ live arena, last year i finished second in 2 x£100/150 100-300 runners and made a couple of day 2's of bigger events and reckon in the live arena probs showed a small profit despite not cashing in anything £300+ and am constantly thinking and learning about my game so really hope to tick this off.

Obv binked the £150 on a stake for 5figures and finished 3rd in St.Kitts in a $500 tourney although not many runners so will award a tick here.

3) Maintain a healthy Family/Poker/Punting/Work balance and appreciate the flexibility Petra gives me on these scores and the weekend a month up in Nottingham plus other trips.

I think I just about managed this during the year although packaging events close together on a stake requires an art in selling it to the boss

4) Post more in PHA instead of reading and thinking "yeah I would do that" and not be worried about posting first even if I get flamed.

Failed here and will be carried forward to 2013

5) Continue to work on my game by spending some hours per week watching training vids/discussing hands with better players

Didnt put time into watching vids but defo discussed more hands with people I class as better than me this year

6) Devote a certain amount of time/volume per week to online play as when I was chatting to Pleno (still BITB) and worked on a few things over a 2 month period my game defo improved and showed a decent 40%+ roi (over a small sample) on euro sites but towards the end of the year I was playing more Live and doing nil online except the odd satty to something.

Failed as really enjoyed Live this year but this will change in 2013 due to upcoming birth.

7) Cut out bets on live events just for the sake of watching it even though it may be £40 these bets all add up during the year!!

1/2 tick earned here as I still just punt it off sometimes on really random stuff just to have something to watch

Finally I want this year to get and stay in shape for the year as over the past year I have put on a little bit of TERRY and although I still have a decent shape need to refocus on this. I dont wish to put up any weight targets like in other threads as for me it's about how I feel I look in clothes as opposed to weight.
I am currently one of David Lloyds fav customers in that I maintain my Gym membership but dont go  :( so am going to go 3 x per week to get back into it and do my a good carido circuit to get back in shape and then work from there.

Again a 1/2 tick earned as I trained hard for 6months but cut into 2x 3month periods where I knew I had a holiday comng up and am now back into it post Christmas again

Am going to post some pics (obv breathing in) so I have a starting point and something to look back on.

GL me in 2012!!

Overall I think I had a good 2012 and refurbished 3 rooms in the house and added a ground floor WC with proceeds from binks in poker and sports betting and had my first ever 5figure cash in the middle of the year whilst maintaining a fairly healthy life balance.

Now for 2013 goals...


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 12, 2013, 01:46:53 PM
Great Pics mate...
Cheers Mate
Tried to catch up with you at DTD last week but you bust before I got there  :P


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 15, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
KNOCKING IT IN!!

Since my last post I have been knocking it in in spades, not to a level that I used to obv but just losing every flip I was betting on and if over the weekend you were laying against my selections then you would have done well.

My Dubai betting balance is now ZERO!!!! but its not all bad as from a starting balance of zero I have cashed out well over a grand and also entered a UKIPT from it  but it all went south in the following fashion.

Thurs Evening
£200 on a Bazza Neville dog tip that was backed in from fairly prohibitive odds 13/8 we were on at 6/4 and in Dubai's words we needed to clear T1 but it missed thebreak and got smashed up!

Saturday
Fancied Stoke/Chelsea to draw and doubled with S'Land West Ham U2.5 goals  £80  (you can start to see how were running already)

B.Kee any time scorer Burton v Torquay double with Northampton to Draw/Win  GG another £80
these ironed out the remaining balance and in addition my own fancies were

£30 win and £90 place on Haadeeth which got mullered and finished with a rattle but was 5th and needed top3
£50 on Goals Galore with a £20 £20 £10 investment and only a £20 treble landed for and £80 return which I tried to spin up by backing

Under Points in the first NFL playoff game Sat night and it was GG then onto Sunday where

I fancied over 3.5 goals in the Man Utd v Liverpool game and had £100 at 13/8 then when the game got dull staight after 2-1 hedged half my stake back and a few miins later decided to green out but as was doing it on my phone thought I was matched to find out it had not got matched so was left with a £50 loss from the initial £100 and finall I backed Atalanta at -8.5 vs Seattle which looked good till the 4th qtr and that was it for the weekend.

Back to small stakes punting now to rebuild the roll  :(


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: Eso Kral on January 15, 2013, 11:46:53 AM
    Been thinking about my goals/hopes for 2013 and obv life is gonna change again with our 2nd baby being due in the middle of March which is going to mean less travelling for poker events as we dont have a massive family network to help Petra out so I will be very selective in the events I play and will play more locally but am not interested in the local donkaments and am going to switch direction to online and live cash so here are my goals and again I shall review them honestly come 2014

  • Cash and have a deep run in a UKIPT - I have played 5 of these (obv miniscule sample but have only made day2 once) and although I may only play 3-4 UKIPT's this year I am gonna try v v hard
  • Post more on PHA - to develop my game but also situations that are bound to occur in the games I shall be playing, I was always worried of flaming in PHA but posted itt this week first in and Cambridge Alex and Tommy Langley both agreed which gives confidence to post more
  • Train 3 x week for 8 months of 2013 - as last year I only trained when I needed to and although in half decent shape for St.Kitts really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow
  • Satelite into a foreign event ie a Unibet or St.Kitts style event
  • Play online at John Black stakes of 5c/10c & 10c/25c and at the end of 6months review total hands played and overall stats before seeking some coaching based on volume which will help with the next goal
  • Become a decent winner in the local £1/1 cash game in Southend as on the few occasions I am there and have played have always done well (in before variance) and there is not a Reggy feel to the games so in theory this should be good for me
  • Be in Prague at the end of 2013 with Team Eureka and use it as a family holiday so Petra and the kids can be in Slovakia with the in-laws and I can dot back and forth
  • Most importantly to be a good Husband and Dad to my amazing family in 2013

So that's me for 2013  GL me again!!
[/list]


Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
Post by: claypole on January 15, 2013, 04:57:08 PM
    Been thinking about my goals/hopes for 2013 and obv life is gonna change again with our 2nd baby being due in the middle of March which is going to mean less travelling for poker events as we dont have a massive family network to help Petra out so I will be very selective in the events I play and will play more locally but am not interested in the local donkaments and am going to switch direction to online and live cash so here are my goals and again I shall review them honestly come 2014

    • Cash and have a deep run in a UKIPT - I have played 5 of these (obv miniscule smaple but have only made day2 once) and although I may only play 3-4 UKIPT's this year I am gonna try v v hard
    • Post more on PHA - to develop my game but also situations that are bound to occur in the games I shall be playing, I was always worried of flaming in PHA but posted itt this week first in and Cambridge Alex and Tommy Langley both agreed which give confidence to post more
    • Train 3 x week for 8 months of 2013 - as last year I only trained when I needed to and although in half decent shape for St.Kitts really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow
    • Satelite into a foreign event ie a Unibet or St.Kitts style event
    • Play online at John Black stakes of 5c/10c & 10c/25c and at the end of 6months review total hands played and overall stats before seeking some coaching based on volume which will help with the next goal
    • Become a decent winner in the local £1/1 cash game in Southend as on the few occasions I am there and have played have always done well (in before variance) and there is not a Reggy feel to the games so in theory this should be godd for me
    • Be in Prague at the end of 2013 with Team Eureka and use it as a family holiday so Petra and the kids can be in Slovakia with the in-laws and I can dot back and forth
    • Most importantly to be a good Husband and Dad to my amazing family in 2013

    So that's me for 2013  GL me again!!
    [/list]

    Addition - Get Vinny to buy dinner, once


    Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
    Post by: celtic on January 15, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
    Some ridic posts on blonde this year. Think claypole just topped them all.


    Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
    Post by: Eso Kral on January 15, 2013, 05:52:41 PM
      Been thinking about my goals/hopes for 2013 and obv life is gonna change again with our 2nd baby being due in the middle of March which is going to mean less travelling for poker events as we dont have a massive family network to help Petra out so I will be very selective in the events I play and will play more locally but am not interested in the local donkaments and am going to switch direction to online and live cash so here are my goals and again I shall review them honestly come 2014

      • Cash and have a deep run in a UKIPT - I have played 5 of these (obv miniscule smaple but have only made day2 once) and although I may only play 3-4 UKIPT's this year I am gonna try v v hard
      • Post more on PHA - to develop my game but also situations that are bound to occur in the games I shall be playing, I was always worried of flaming in PHA but posted itt this week first in and Cambridge Alex and Tommy Langley both agreed which give confidence to post more
      • Train 3 x week for 8 months of 2013 - as last year I only trained when I needed to and although in half decent shape for St.Kitts really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow
      • Satelite into a foreign event ie a Unibet or St.Kitts style event
      • Play online at John Black stakes of 5c/10c & 10c/25c and at the end of 6months review total hands played and overall stats before seeking some coaching based on volume which will help with the next goal
      • Become a decent winner in the local £1/1 cash game in Southend as on the few occasions I am there and have played have always done well (in before variance) and there is not a Reggy feel to the games so in theory this should be godd for me
      • Be in Prague at the end of 2013 with Team Eureka and use it as a family holiday so Petra and the kids can be in Slovakia with the in-laws and I can dot back and forth
      • Most importantly to be a good Husband and Dad to my amazing family in 2013

      So that's me for 2013  GL me again!!
      [/list]

      Addition - Get Vinny to buy dinner, once
      Allegedly he is buying tomorrow if any Blondes fancy it?  G Luton 7pm


      Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
      Post by: nirvana on January 15, 2013, 08:07:29 PM
      really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow [/li][/list]

      How are you looking now ? update please


      Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
      Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 01:07:23 PM
      Good Start at work just like last year funny enough with about £18k of sales fees in the book already after we sold this house on the same day it came to market for £540'000

      http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8629/27branscombegardens3.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8629/27branscombegardens3.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

      and then the vendors bought this house for £735'000 for a nice £13k chain

      http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2594/44daineswayfrt.png[/img]](http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2594/44daineswayfrt.png) (http://[img width=600 height=353)

      It's very busy at work atm which is good and after I get back from Edinburgh next week I will have to crack on with the mini promotion and work out how to run the 2 offices effectively but have recruited the staff I need already and they start 1/2.


      Really looking forward to a break in Scotchland and Vinny has let me down by not coming but as he is still a legend I shall partake in a Black Pudding supper in his honour and take pics as proof. I was going to drive but with the bad weather forecast decided to fly instead so should be joined by Sammy Mac for the journey if he booked the right flight  :)

      Had a winner last night as called a bet in with Dubai on Brentford to beat Southend and had £225 @ 13/20 and despite Southend equalising would have been mortified if we didnt collect as Brentford had about 30 shots on goal and missed a pen.

      Out at Luton G tonight for a meal with Vinny, nirvana and Claypole then early start to Stanstead where we hope for a decent result....


      Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
      Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
      Been working on Max's new bedroom for a while now and whilst we were in St.Kitts it was replastered and the wardrobes and toy trunk built in by a chippy and since then I sanded and varnished the floor, painted ceiling, pic rail and walls and then painted his wardrobes, shelving and toy trunk and at all stages let Max see what is going on as he is moving from a single room to a big room and a big bed in the next few weeks so that he is acclimatised to it in readiness for baby no2 coming so we have him settled.

      Here he is showing you the room and also at the end you can see him learning to be a footballer and he is growing up in the Gareth Bale mould :P

      YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaRW4QUzaHQ


      Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
      Post by: kinboshi on January 16, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
        really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow [/li][/list]

        How are you looking now ? update please

        (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/mckenna.jpg)


        Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
        Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
          really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow [/li][/list]

          How are you looking now ? update please

          (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/mckenna.jpg)
          Slightly bigger in the cheeks (in before all 4 of them) and carrying a touch more terry but not in too bad shape.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on January 16, 2013, 01:42:58 PM
          (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/eso-kenna_zps76642208.png)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 01:44:30 PM
          ^^ more like it but I am keeping a touch more hair as well.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on January 16, 2013, 01:51:03 PM
          (http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/eso-kenna-fellaini-_zps6fd98d9f.png)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 01:54:00 PM
          Lolz Boshi is a legend!

          Thats me :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on January 16, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
          Ha ha. Amazing, looks like you in the 70's


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Graham C on January 16, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
          lol Boshi :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: craigbetts on January 16, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
          Love Eso's thread, just had a view of Max in his new room and switch onto ATR and theirs a horse called Maxi Dress in the 2.05 @ Ling...... the rest is standard.

          Hope the little lad loves his new room!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 02:19:16 PM
          Love Eso's thread, just had a view of Max in his new room and switch onto ATR and theirs a horse called Maxi Dress in the 2.05 @ Ling...... the rest is standard.

          Hope the little lad loves his new room!
          All part of the service ninja!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 02:33:57 PM
          In estate agency we know that For Sale and Sold boards are GREAT for business. Having said that they only communicate that you are active in an area and say nothing about how you operate or how enjoyable your service would be. (If our service is anything other than enjoyable, even remarkable in the current economic climate we might as well quit now!) Some agents don’t get this and think that the only way to gain market share is to attack their competitors which could, if filmed and posted online, possibly destroy them.

          Here is one sent to me in an email of allegedly an estate agent from Muswell Hill, London literally kicking down a competitors board in broad daylight

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfG5yR6T7g


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on January 16, 2013, 03:04:10 PM
          In estate agency we know that For Sale and Sold boards are GREAT for business. Having said that they only communicate that you are active in an area and say nothing about how you operate or how enjoyable your service would be. (If our service is anything other than enjoyable, even remarkable in the current economic climate we might as well quit now!) Some agents don’t get this and think that the only way to gain market share is to attack their competitors which could, if filmed and posted online, possibly destroy them.

          Here is one sent to me in an email of allegedly an estate agent from Muswell Hill, London literally kicking down a competitors board in broad daylight

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfG5yR6T7g
          removed by user :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 16, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
          6 bet donkey.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 10:34:35 PM
          6 bet donkey.
          It could have been worse as I would feel really bad if you picked up the dinner tab, now I just have a smug grin on my chevy ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on January 16, 2013, 10:38:12 PM
          Pffffff - I'd have pocketed the tip if I knew you were going to take out our fav little Scots man


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on January 16, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
          Get up here Vinny.

          Black pudding suppliers alerted.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 16, 2013, 10:46:27 PM
          Pffffff - I'd have pocketed the tip if I knew you were going to take out our fav little Scots man
          He couldnt fold Kings and then gave it the verbals so deserved everything he got ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 16, 2013, 10:57:38 PM
          Get up here Vinny.

          Black pudding suppliers alerted.

          Nah, eeyore kral has upset me too much.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 17, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
          Had a great night at Luton which started with a meal with Celtic, Nirvana and Jake n Pez's mate Claypole followed by the £40 donkament where I Ko'd Vinny  QQ v KK and Nirvana virtual bubbled so I did a Nirvana style chop as it was 1am and was flying just after 8 and took 280 towards the Edinburgh exs.

          Just landed and Sam Mac was not on the flight after he didnt leave a cash game till we were boarding   kidz huh


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on January 18, 2013, 11:57:53 PM
          Had a great night at Luton which started with a meal with Celtic, Nirvana and Jake n Pez's mate Claypole followed by the £40 donkament where I Ko'd Vinny  QQ v KK and Nirvana virtual bubbled so I did a Nirvana style chop as it was 1am and was flying just after 8 and took 280 towards the Edinburgh exs.

          Just landed and Sam Mac was not on the flight after he didnt leave a cash game till we were boarding   kidz huh

          Gl today - Knob ;) - so gutted we didn't get beers tonight. It's fkin boring in snowy London


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2013, 04:29:37 PM
          BALANCE

          In the interest of balance and seeing that all the new diarists are winning I thought I would start to knock it in like it's going out of fashion and it has not been fun at all!!

          It's funny as this time last week I was up in Edinburgh for the UKIPT and having dodged the snow and flown up on Thursday morning had high hopes for a great weekend and checked in at the hotel about 5mins walk from venue and walked up to have a mooch around before my side event on Thursday evening.  Venue checked out I had a Mcdonalds for lunch and found a little bookies on the side street where I just sat and watched the racing having invested £22 on placepots for something to watch I was never going to do much harm.

          My Dubai balance was £146 having called in the Southend bet on the 15th and had asked him to bet Leicester for me vs M'Boro at 8/11 and then seen a horse in the notebook I like so have a further £140 on ERICHT in the place market only at 4/5 which runs nowhere (although it won today after EdGas tipped it up and I was on small) so it was a £146 winner at 8/11 and a £140 loser at 4/5 leaving £112 in the pot and the poker to come.

          The side event was annoying as although not a lot tilts me in life I was sat on a table where this drunk French guy was taking forever over every decision and on a 15 min turbo clock it meant we played 4 hands per level and even after 1 dealer mentioned to him that it was a turbo he replied "I know I'm in it" and whilst sat in this I was dealt a succession of non playable hands when we needed to chip up and then to top of the night proceeded to get slow rolled by an old guy from London with AA after he waited for a full 2 mins before calling for 2/3 his stack  ;grr; now if this was against Vinny or someone who has wronged us then fairplay but I said nothing and then chilled and chatted to Dom Kay (Nico) and Fraser Macintyre before retiring for the evening.

          Friday morning was 1b and I arrived early and drew seats and really feel I run bad in seat draws sometimes as I was sandwiched between Ben Jenkins and Sunny Chatta along with Lee Taylor and 2 other seemingly ok oppos and only 1 real sign of a villain prepared to donate his chips lightly.  I ground it out all day and called light one hand and when I got shortish in chips we were 2 tables from breaking so due to the fact we were miles from home and due to break just did some more folding but on the last hand before we broke I got Kings vs an UTG raise from Ben and flatted behind hoping for some action in LP but it was just me n Ben and I ended up winning a smallish pot after he cbet a Q high flop and we both checked the A turn which killed my action before leading the river and I could only flat behind beating his QK and then we broke.

          My new table was much better but we were only 4 tables from breaking again and I went into the last level of the day on a table with most players having good chips and me looking for a spot but whilst I won chips in the last level it was only maintaining my stack and I ended up with 14600 and a loss of 400 chips on the day.

          Saturday I had the £112 on the obvious double on the footie of Liverpool and Man City at 2/7,4/11 and then laid Spurs for £192 @ 2/1 winning another £96 but had busted out of the main event whena guys mistimed 3b from the sb without looking at my stack meant he had to call of another 8bbs with J2o and left me drawing dead on the turn and left with only the side event Sat evening to play. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on January 25, 2013, 04:34:13 PM
          You at deeteedee this weekend?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2013, 05:33:42 PM
          The side event was rubbish and I will reconsider playing side events having bust the main again as you are never really in the frame of mind to play and although I won a decent pot early I ended up jamming 17 bbs over a raise and 3 calls at 2/400/50 with JQhh nad it was GG as the original raiser had KK and we didnt get there.

          I went for a steak at a nice place in Edinburgh which I would recc to anyone in the area http://www.steakedinburgh.com/ (http://www.steakedinburgh.com/) and then started to plan how to get home and with the flights late aft to Stanstead and the weather incoming I booked a train ticket online for £70 and was chuffed when Sunday morning having picked up the ticket I saw they were £200.

          Before departing the station I bought a young guy who was on the street some breakfast and a coffee which I did on 3 seperate occasions whilst up there and whilst some will say "why?" I dont care its £20 and I never give cash but will always offer some food or a coffee and can justify it as I buy Vinny dinner when I see him and this is probs the same but gives you a warmer feeling inside  ;)

          7 Hours later and I was home and the snow was here and I was glad to be home and then I received the text from Shallow  "Any NFL action, our favourite expensive hobby?" so we played under points in the SF v Atlanta games with my bit £135 at under 48.5pts on the basis we couldnt see Atlanta scoring that many which was gg'd early and then £150 on NE -7pts @ 10/11 which went the same way.

          Monday we discussed the merits of backing Villa and that 11/10 to qualify was better than  2/5 to win the match but I wanted to see how a horse got on I fancied before wading in and after that had lost I had an uncomfortable amount of £500 on Villa to qualify, not uncomfortable in that it hurts but just that it was stupid to have that amount on and moreso with some plans that I will discuss later so whilst I am chuffed for all the Bradford fans it was a rubbish match to watch from my point of view.

          Further small losses were accumulated by backing England in the cricket on the TFT thread before I managed to stop the rot having told Shallow I liked Chelsea -2 corners on the handicap vs Swansea and HT we were winning 3-1 which for readers not au fait (in before) means we would get our money back if it stays the same and then watching Chelsea go 5-1 up with 20 mins to go this should really have been home and hozed until "the ball boy" incident which meant Swansea would have more possession and it ended 5-3 Chelsea which with 5mins to go I really thought was going to be another loser chalked in the book but a push it was!

          Arranged a dinner with some blonde hero's namely Free Rollin, Flushy, Dubai, Beaneh and Vinny for Hawksmoor on Feb 5th which should be good and I have not been there before so am looking forward to this and went to see Les Mis at the flicks this week which was pretty decent and as acloset fan of the musical snap went out and bought the CD next day.

          My only bet in running atm is Hunter Mahan to be in the top10 @ 3/1  of the Farmers Golf on the basis he had an easier weather draw so am hoping it blows on the other course today and he can make a few shots back  on the leaders having shot -3 under in the first round.


          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?

          Cant say more than this atm until I decide and take it further or dont as I need to crunch the numbers further and then see how comfortable Petra would feel about us doing it as this will most likely be the deciding factor...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 25, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
          You at deeteedee this weekend?
          I maybe just need to sort out a couple of things but would like to try and get up and play it but am up next Sat for the deepstack if you require a guiness partner  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on January 25, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
          You at deeteedee this weekend?
          I maybe just need to sort out a couple of things but would like to try and get up and play it but am up next Sat for the deepstack if you require a guiness partner  ;)

          :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: craigbetts on February 02, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
          Good luck at Dee teee dee today.

          What are your saturday punts for your fan boys to sheep in??


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 02, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
          Best of luck today m8!

          Have yourself and the Sicilian stopped your Over 2.5 system?

          I could do with a muggy afternoon punt for the day :)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on February 02, 2013, 12:46:24 PM
          Best of luck today m8!

          Have yourself and the Sicilian stopped your Over 2.5 system?

          I could do with a muggy afternoon punt for the day :)



          Quick both teams to score for that infusion of random sweats/punting

          1    Yes    Birmingham v Nottm Forest
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.72    To Run
          2    Yes    Peterborough v Burnley
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.57    To Run
          3    Yes    Milton Keynes Dons v Bournemouth
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.66    To Run
          4    Yes    Yeovil v Brentford
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.72    To Run
          5    Yes    Hereford v Southport
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.61    To Run
          6    Yes    Stockport v Nuneaton
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.61    To Run
          7    Yes    Clyde v Elgin
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.50    To Run
          8    Yes    Falkirk v Forfar
          (Both Teams to Score)    02/02/2013    None    1.66    To Run


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 02, 2013, 01:51:45 PM
          Cheers guys just sat on the train on way so no bets for me today :(

          Gl with Deano's selections

          Nutworst journey so far!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on February 05, 2013, 06:10:16 PM
          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?


          Best of luck if you go for it Rich.

          It takes guts to do it and the majority don't like going outside the comfort zone.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Ant040689 on February 05, 2013, 06:19:25 PM
          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?


          Best of luck if you go for it Rich.

          It takes guts to do it and the majority don't like going outside the comfort zone.

          Yep best of luck either way.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on February 05, 2013, 08:06:56 PM
          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?


          Best of luck if you go for it Rich.

          It takes guts to do it and the majority don't like going outside the comfort zone.
          oi Trevor you need to learn to quote better. I just looked a right tw@t. Pm'd millidonk and asked him did he know you was expecting a 2nd child. He replied that your wife did not look preggy when he saw her the other week then when I sent him the link to the thread he sussed that you were quoting Eso  ;marks;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on February 05, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?


          Best of luck if you go for it Rich.

          It takes guts to do it and the majority don't like going outside the comfort zone.
          oi Trevor you need to learn to quote better. I just looked a right tw@t. Pm'd millidonk and asked him did he know you was expecting a 2nd child. He replied that your wife did not look preggy when he saw her the other week then when I sent him the link to the thread he sussed that you were quoting Eso  ;marks;

          Sorry Jason, defo no more kids for me , had the snip 27 years ago, lol.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on February 05, 2013, 08:41:24 PM
          I am currently writing a business plan which would mean having to literally take the biggest gamble I have ever taken but could reap some pretty big rewards if it all worked out and even at 70% it would maintain what we have now but is a pretty oneoff opportunity and if I dont go for it now will most likely not do it but it would be such a big gamble in terms of timing as we are only 6 weeks away from the birth of our second baby so who knows?


          Best of luck if you go for it Rich.

          It takes guts to do it and the majority don't like going outside the comfort zone.
          oi Trevor you need to learn to quote better. I just looked a right tw@t. Pm'd millidonk and asked him did he know you was expecting a 2nd child. He replied that your wife did not look preggy when he saw her the other week then when I sent him the link to the thread he sussed that you were quoting Eso  ;marks;

          Sorry Jason, defo no more kids for me , had the snip 27 years ago, lol.
          lol. I actually said to milly fair play to you mate.... I am just dumb


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on February 06, 2013, 05:51:07 AM
          Confirmed. Jase truely is a special case. Although for a moment it did get me thinking that Trev was knocking around Stamford with a bit of stuff on his arm while his preggo missus was at home all alone..  :)

          GL Rich, be careful or have a very robust backup plan is all I will say. Serious shit when kids are involved. Also why u stop txting me? U got a new 24st boyfriend? Fuuuuuuuuuu. On the plus side saved me bundles. :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
          Well it's been a couple of weeks since I posted which has been due to a number of reasons which will be described in a cliffs and a TL;DR version and act as a reminder as to what an absolute BELL-END I have been!!


          CLIFFS

          1) I have been knocking it in in spades which is no fun whatsoever and I started to feel out of control so put some measures in place before it got completely out of hand which I will talk about later

          2) Work has been insanely busy which is good but with 2 new starters in the 2 offices I am now looking after I had forgot how much time they take in the early days

          3) All my spare time has been devoted to getting the house finished for the birth of baby 2 in about 4-5 weeks time

          Now for "THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY" version

          THE GOOD

          2 Weeks ago I went to Zach Shallow's 1st birthday party which was unsurprisingly set up for the adults by Dubai and there was a healthy amount of food and alcohol available with some left for the adults as well  ;)  I met Kev Allen for the first time it was great to see how Zach has grown up since the early early days when he was tiny.
          Here we all are
          http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2091/sbday.jpg[/img]](http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2091/sbday.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)

          As I said work has been incred and on Feb 1st I had 2 new starters with one for each of the 2 offices I am now repsonsible for as part of my promotion  but despite interviewing well  only 1/2 is still with me and I have replaced the other who turned out to not be suitable very early on.

          My main office have been selling houses like we are in a boom with even the properties at the back of the drawer having been on for ages getting interest and offers
          EG
          http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4176/93274991.jpg[/img]](http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4176/93274991.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)
          This sold at FULL asking price after 2 years on the market at £580k and this one which has been on the market on the seafront for 1 year and sold for 1 Million

          http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2955/dsc0004rc.jpg[/img]](http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2955/dsc0004rc.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=401)

          Petra also had some nice photos done of her and bump and took what she described as her best ever new born shot for some clients that I shall post over the next few days.

          NOW FOR THE BAD!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on February 23, 2013, 01:46:29 PM
          ~Wife justy rung me, he first day back working for 5 years and back to estate agency after a 10 yer break. The job she loves, they have some mental commision stuff for all staff, £30 for getting a valuation, £50 for someone chatting with morgage guy etc..is that standard incentives?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on February 23, 2013, 01:59:48 PM
          Hope it's not too bad lil man.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
          ~Wife justy rung me, he first day back working for 5 years and back to estate agency after a 10 yer break. The job she loves, they have some mental commision stuff for all staff, £30 for getting a valuation, £50 for someone chatting with morgage guy etc..is that standard incentives?
          Yeah all fairly standard stuff nowadays our sales guys get

          5% commission on whatever they sell   (5% of the sales fee we charge the client which is on average £4250)

          5% if they put the house on the market in the first place

          £50 if they refer a valuation to another office and that subsequently sells

          £25 for a solicitors referal

          £75 for a mortgage referal that turns into a mortgage sign up

          In our office I would expect the juniors to earn £17-£20k at 18 and top sales negs to earn £25-£30k

          It goes without saying obv GLGLGL to the wife!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 23, 2013, 03:27:20 PM
          Hope it's not too bad lil man.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on February 24, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
          Hope it's not too bad lil man.

          +1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2013, 10:04:31 AM
          Well before I move onto the BAD I'm goona post some recent photo's taken as balance to show me that life is actually pretty dece in many many areas!!

          These are some recent photo shoots that Petra has done for her business and despite being 8months pregnant she is still doing shoots for clients before finishing this week.
          http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3283/kidsea.jpg[/img]](http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3283/kidsea.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=369)

          These newborn shots are what Petra feels is some of her best work since starting the business

          http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/411/lilone.jpg[/img]](http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/411/lilone.jpg) (http://[img width=447 height=600)

          http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1839/lil2.jpg[/img]](http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/1839/lil2.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=405)

          http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7389/amazeu.jpg[/img]](http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7389/amazeu.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=414)

          And then to remind me how good my life actually is here is the family currently

          Max
          http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8183/simplymax.jpg[/img]](http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8183/simplymax.jpg) (http://[img width=400 height=600)

          Petra and Max
          http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7853/petramax.jpg[/img]](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7853/petramax.jpg) (http://[img width=414 height=600)

          and finally a reminder of how far I bat out of my league!!

          http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1877/blessedi.jpg[/img]](http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1877/blessedi.jpg) (http://[IMG)





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on February 26, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
          Love all the snaps mate. Think the newborns are my favourites too. Top quality but even millidonk makes baby shots look good :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on February 26, 2013, 11:37:42 AM
          Love all the snaps mate. Think the newborns are my favourites too. Top quality but even millidonk makes baby shots look good :)

          Pro is gonna pro.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2013, 11:39:04 AM
          Love all the snaps mate. Think the newborns are my favourites too. Top quality but even millidonk makes baby shots look good :)

          Pro is gonna pro.
          Photoshop is your friend!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on February 26, 2013, 06:20:43 PM
          Top Notch Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on March 01, 2013, 12:07:22 PM
          ~Wife justy rung me, he first day back working for 5 years and back to estate agency after a 10 yer break. The job she loves, they have some mental commision stuff for all staff, £30 for getting a valuation, £50 for someone chatting with morgage guy etc..is that standard incentives?
          Yeah all fairly standard stuff nowadays our sales guys get

          5% commission on whatever they sell   (5% of the sales fee we charge the client which is on average £4250)

          5% if they put the house on the market in the first place

          £50 if they refer a valuation to another office and that subsequently sells

          £25 for a solicitors referal

          £75 for a mortgage referal that turns into a mortgage sign up

          In our office I would expect the juniors to earn £17-£20k at 18 and top sales negs to earn £25-£30k

          It goes without saying obv GLGLGL to the wife!!

          ahh thanks,  I guess your referral fee's a little better then hers. Her first week was interesting, its an Award winning firm (nationally) and yet wife says half the staff don't give a jott and don't push for referrals. Hasten to say wife got more then the rest of the office on day 1. Nothing better then someone motivated by money and knowing their stuff. She says houses selling really well at near asking price (they have houses from 200k to 2m on their books).


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 01, 2013, 10:08:15 PM
          Come on. Where's this update with the bad news. I could do with a laugh.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 01, 2013, 10:26:01 PM
          Come on. Where's this update with the bad news. I could do with a laugh.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGMVwcxF2Nk
           ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2013, 12:51:48 PM
            Been thinking about my goals/hopes for 2013 and obv life is gonna change again with our 2nd baby being due in the middle of March which is going to mean less travelling for poker events as we dont have a massive family network to help Petra out so I will be very selective in the events I play and will play more locally but am not interested in the local donkaments and am going to switch direction to online and live cash so here are my goals and again I shall review them honestly come 2014

          • Cash and have a deep run in a UKIPT - I have played 5 of these (obv miniscule sample but have only made day2 once) and although I may only play 3-4 UKIPT's this year I am gonna try v v hard
          • Post more on PHA - to develop my game but also situations that are bound to occur in the games I shall be playing, I was always worried of flaming in PHA but posted itt this week first in and Cambridge Alex and Tommy Langley both agreed which gives confidence to post more
          • Train 3 x week for 8 months of 2013 - as last year I only trained when I needed to and although in half decent shape for St.Kitts really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow
          • Satelite into a foreign event ie a Unibet or St.Kitts style event
          • Play online at John Black stakes of 5c/10c & 10c/25c and at the end of 6months review total hands played and overall stats before seeking some coaching based on volume which will help with the next goal
          • Become a decent winner in the local £1/1 cash game in Southend as on the few occasions I am there and have played have always done well (in before variance) and there is not a Reggy feel to the games so in theory this should be good for me
          • Be in Prague at the end of 2013 with Team Eureka and use it as a family holiday so Petra and the kids can be in Slovakia with the in-laws and I can dot back and forth
          • Most importantly to be a good Husband and Dad to my amazing family in 2013

          So that's me for 2013  GL me again!!
          [/list]
          First tick of the year at the second attempt after making a day2 at Edinburgh but need a really deep run now at something!!

          Will come onto the bad over the weekend as per previous post


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 12, 2013, 07:13:19 AM
          Which weekend?

          I remember when this diary was half interesting.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on March 12, 2013, 08:49:10 AM
          Slow rolling for attention obv


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 14, 2013, 06:46:09 AM
          Now the baby is born, can we sort out dinner? I'm getting hungry, you attention seeking whore. Ty.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on March 14, 2013, 09:50:23 AM
          Now the baby is born, can we sort out dinner? I'm getting hungry, you attention seeking whore. Ty.

          He can only attend to one big baby at a time....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: JGill_DTD on March 14, 2013, 09:53:35 AM
          big congrats btw :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Tommy Bingham on March 14, 2013, 10:36:56 AM
          big congrats btw :)

          Yes dude. All the best mate. Amazing news.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Foxy on March 14, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
          Has you baby arrived yet Rich? is this what the congrats are for? nice pics also.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on March 14, 2013, 05:38:22 PM
           Ahrt Kh


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on March 14, 2013, 05:39:07 PM
          Ahrt Kh
          so pleased for you both


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2013, 08:39:17 AM
          Will definitely do an update later on but 4 years ago today I lost my father to cancer so RIP Dad

          He would have been a marvelous Grandad and unfortunately never got chance to see Maxwell or now Ivy so a visit to one of the two places where we scattered his ashes will be done later on today with a few moments peaceful thought.

          Will be thinking of Vinny today as well as he lost Holly on the 19th March as well and although we knew each other at the time we didn't know each other as we do today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on March 19, 2013, 09:00:58 AM
          <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on March 20, 2013, 01:17:55 AM
          <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on March 22, 2013, 05:57:00 PM
          ~Wife justy rung me, he first day back working for 5 years and back to estate agency after a 10 yer break. The job she loves, they have some mental commision stuff for all staff, £30 for getting a valuation, £50 for someone chatting with morgage guy etc..is that standard incentives?
          Yeah all fairly standard stuff nowadays our sales guys get

          5% commission on whatever they sell   (5% of the sales fee we charge the client which is on average £4250)

          5% if they put the house on the market in the first place

          £50 if they refer a valuation to another office and that subsequently sells

          £25 for a solicitors referal

          £75 for a mortgage referal that turns into a mortgage sign up

          In our office I would expect the juniors to earn £17-£20k at 18 and top sales negs to earn £25-£30k

          It goes without saying obv GLGLGL to the wife!!

          ahh thanks,  I guess your referral fee's a little better then hers. Her first week was interesting, its an Award winning firm (nationally) and yet wife says half the staff don't give a jott and don't push for referrals. Hasten to say wife got more then the rest of the office on day 1. Nothing better then someone motivated by money and knowing their stuff. She says houses selling really well at near asking price (they have houses from 200k to 2m on their books).

          I have just bought a house and prices in my area gone up a lot since the start of the year.
          Got referred to a solicitor by the estate agents but when I got the cost breakdown it was pretty obv they were taking the mic with some of their admin costs and search fees.
          Estate agent wasn't very happy when I went elsewhere as they lost their commision


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 11:28:54 AM
          Well I was meaning to do this since Feb 23rd when I reported the Good but have been so busy with everything and then "Ivy" came along that being back in work today for 1 day is the first chance I have had to sit and write so will wrap up the Bad and Ugly in one go.

          BAD & UGLY

          Basically since November last year I have been on the worst run of sports betting and other people selections for a good 4-5 years and cutting a very long story short I ironed out the best part of £28'000 in a 4 month period through a combination of losing flips (when I say losing flips I mean most of my sports betting is done on flips), interest and through being a bok on some well respected punters selections that I follow plus the general life expenses where we had a lean time towards the end of last year.

          In the middle of February I took the decision to tell Petra and put some measures of control back into my life as I didnt want to go down the rocky road that I have trod before so having access to large amounts of money enabling me to try and punt my way out of trouble was never going to be a good thing and I sat her down one evening after we had put Max to bed to go through it with her.

          It's pretty hard to explain to someone who you love and also who has a massive amount of value for money that you have lost that amount of money over such a short period of time but luckily she does understand Variance and also knows the kind of bets that I would make so knows that whilst not impossible you have to be pretty unlucky to call the flip of coin wrong 20 odd times in a row especially as its not just like I decided "heads or tails" without putting an element of research into it.  3 Hours later and we were still discussing it and what measures of control she wanted to ensure that we didnt fall any deeper and agreed that it was going to be impossible for me not to have a decent bet every now and again if I like something and also that poker is classified as different to gambling which she grasped anyway so gone are the days of trying to spin up large amounts of money and it's small ball ftw from here.

          You may even see me in the BSWOTN thread  :(

          So some "Eso Austerity" measures were put in place and fortunately within 6-9 months I will have basically replaced the money I degenned away but it will mean that I play poker once or max twice a month live if something dece is on Al'a April with the deepstack followed by the Monte Carlo and also will sell %'s where needed to balance the books further.

          I'm not proud of the losses I made and it obviously didnt come at an ideal time with the baby due within 2 weeks of me telling Petra plus at a time when I was putting together a business plan that would have meant us having to take a really big risk to try and make it work and on that side it has meant that we have to shelve the plans for now although not due to this entirely as it seems the project would have come a bit soon and if the guy who has the premises we want to do this has sorted out his differences with the local council on a couple of aspects on the premises then it might work in our favour.

          So a pretty big Sigh all over on that side and it was a very tough conversation that was had with Petra but one that needed to be had as I was starting to spiral out of control and didnt want to put us at risk any further with all the great strides we had made over the past 6years by tredding the same path I did in my 20's.  Luckily she really does get the numbers game and when I went through with her some of the things that happened with selections (no excuse but things completely out of your control) she actually understood the very very fine line between turning a loss and a profit.

          Well that's the Bad covered and the next few days were a bit tense but we really worked hard through the figures and she knew that whilst it is a lot of money it's not one that changes the life that we have or anything going forward it's simply a waste of ££ plus the added utility of what we would have been able to do with it and the fact that having recouped it  in a few months we could theoretically had double.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 11:31:38 AM
          big congrats btw :)
          big congrats btw :)

          Yes dude. All the best mate. Amazing news.
          Has you baby arrived yet Rich? is this what the congrats are for? nice pics also.
          Ahrt Kh

          Thanks very much for all the Grats and @Foxy yes we had a beautiful baby girl called Ivy on the due date of 13/3 and I shall pop up some pics later on.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 11:38:39 AM
          ~Wife justy rung me, he first day back working for 5 years and back to estate agency after a 10 yer break. The job she loves, they have some mental commision stuff for all staff, £30 for getting a valuation, £50 for someone chatting with morgage guy etc..is that standard incentives?
          Yeah all fairly standard stuff nowadays our sales guys get

          5% commission on whatever they sell   (5% of the sales fee we charge the client which is on average £4250)

          5% if they put the house on the market in the first place

          £50 if they refer a valuation to another office and that subsequently sells

          £25 for a solicitors referal

          £75 for a mortgage referal that turns into a mortgage sign up

          In our office I would expect the juniors to earn £17-£20k at 18 and top sales negs to earn £25-£30k

          It goes without saying obv GLGLGL to the wife!!

          ahh thanks,  I guess your referral fee's a little better then hers. Her first week was interesting, its an Award winning firm (nationally) and yet wife says half the staff don't give a jott and don't push for referrals. Hasten to say wife got more then the rest of the office on day 1. Nothing better then someone motivated by money and knowing their stuff. She says houses selling really well at near asking price (they have houses from 200k to 2m on their books).

          I have just bought a house and prices in my area gone up a lot since the start of the year.
          Got referred to a solicitor by the estate agents but when I got the cost breakdown it was pretty obv they were taking the mic with some of their admin costs and search fees.
          Estate agent wasn't very happy when I went elsewhere as they lost their commision
          Hi vegaslover
          WPWP on getting on the ladder or moving up it and yh since the housing market turned tough mid/late 2007 all agents have had to think of the smaller income streams to eek every penny out of deals plus a lot of the deadwood agents have left the industry as they were not earning good money for doing nothing so in the solicitors case you mention they will be attaching a fee that will be paid to the agent for the reccomendation hence the figure looking higher that the rest.

          If the solicitor is charging higher search fees then that is different as those fees/disbursements should be the same wherever you go it's the "legal fee" charged that should differ from sol to sol.

          Whereabouts did you buy?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on March 23, 2013, 12:20:19 PM
          Shit, that is bad & ugly.

          Hope you do get it sorted fella, and sounds like you've run bloody well to have landed Petra.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
          March 12th @ 11pm

          We realised that we would be giving birth in the next 12 hours as Petra was having consistent contractions and had wanted to put the Tens machine on which send's pulses to release the endorphines as you are having the contractions and off we went to bed knowing that our baby would be born soon.

          As with Maxwell we had always planned on having a home birth and at 2am on Weds 13th March Petra woke me to say her contractions were stronger and that we should go downstairs and call the midwife, so we set up in the lounge as we didnt want to wake Maxwell and if it was during the day had arrangements for a friend to take Max for the day.

          3am and the first midwife Lisa turns up and checks Petra over and brings in the multitude of boxes that she could need containing equipment and also mediacal equipment if the birth turns difficult and with a home birth for anyone that does not know there is always an ambulance ready and waiting if there are any complications.  So every few minutes I am called into action to rub her back (something I learnt with the first birth that needs to be done on EVERY contraction) and generally make sure she has everything she needs and let Lisa sort out the rest and at that point we were 5cm dilated needing to get to 10cm for any of the youff who dont know these things yet.

          445am and the 2nd midwife appears which is standard once you reach established labour and at this point the lounge resembles a battlefield with everything re-arranged and kit everywhere and Petra was now going through the "not feeling I can do it stage" so a bit of a motivational talk about how well she was doing and a few Jelly babies and off we wnt again.

          At this point we knew we were close and as Maxwell wakes somewhere between 6-7am I called my Mum to see if she could come earlier than she noramlly does when having Max on a Weds and be with us for 7am and within a very short space of time we went from not being able to see the head or it being 50p's worth of view to within a few minutes the head being out and then 1 push later the baby being out and as we didnt know the sex of the baby (you dont get many big surprises in life boys!!) the 15-20 second wait whilst the quickly clean the baby and make sure she is ok and tell you the sex and our beautiful baby girl Ivy Jarka Blacklock was born weighing 7lb 6oz.

          Here she is a few hours after the birth
          http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7338/ivyw.jpg[/img]](http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7338/ivyw.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)

          and we didnt know how Max would take to her but explained a lot over the past weeks how Mummy was having a little baby and tried to keep him involved as much as possible and as he woke up we were actually giving birth so an hour or so later once the place had been tidied up and Petra was ready we introduced him to her and he calls her Bab although can now say her name and he is completely enamoured by her wanting to see her whenever he can and hold her as these show.

          http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/596/maxandivyl.jpg[/img]](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/596/maxandivyl.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2293/threemuskateers.jpg[/img]](http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2293/threemuskateers.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          Finally one of me with Ivy from the past few days
          http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ivy1.jpg[/img]](http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ivy1.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          both Petra and Ivy are doing really well and whilst babies normally lose a small amount of weight in their first few days especially the ones who are breatfeeding (in before Girgy) Ivy had gained weight after 5 days and is now getting into a good sleep pattern with Petra only being up twice a night for the past few nights. I go back to work properly next Weds after taking 2 weeks holiday to be off, I say take 2 weeks holiday but I negotiated at the start of the year for them to give me an extra 2 weeks this year as taking Paternity leave costs me money and they agreed which was nice of them so for the past 10days I have been in every other day and bought Max in for a few hours just catching up on stuff and helping out.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
          Shit, that is bad & ugly.

          Hope you do get it sorted fella, and sounds like you've run bloody well to have landed Petra.
          Cheers Dan and obv I know I ran good a few years ago but we get each other and she really does get me as I do her!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on March 23, 2013, 12:57:10 PM
          Rich you will swing through that setback and come out a lot stronger i am sure.

          Good luck going forward fella.

          BSWOTN will welcome you with open arms, get over there and enjoy spinning a tenner, its not about how wealthy you are or how clever you are, WOTN is there for fun and also buying a few things for next to nowt.

          Head down and stay focused, you are a very popular person with great support.







          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on March 23, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
          Oi oi quality pics. Life>>money


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on March 23, 2013, 01:13:51 PM
          Great Pics Rich.... chuffed for you.... er you do realise she has more hair than you..and you thought the run bad was over lolololol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
          Oi oi quality pics. Life>>money
          <3 Dubai but you are 100% correct as well as usual  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 01:15:05 PM
          Rich you will swing through that setback and come out a lot stronger i am sure.

          Good luck going forward fella.

          BSWOTN will welcome you with open arms, get over there and enjoy spinning a tenner, its not about how wealthy you are or how clever you are, WOTN is there for fun and also buying a few things for next to nowt.

          Head down and stay focused, you are a very popular person with great support.

          Cheers Trev


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 01:18:12 PM
          Great Pics Rich.... chuffed for you.... er you do realise she has more hair than you..and you thought the run bad was over lolololol
          Ha I kinda got over the fact I'm never gonna have hair again but thx for the reminder, now















          GTFO  :P


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 01:27:16 PM
          Today is this little man's 2nd Birthday
          So, Happy Birthday Maxwell

           :birthday:

          http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6103/max2small.jpg[/img]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6103/max2small.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=400)

          This was him in St.Kitts with Bandit's daughters but I will post up a youtube video of him later on from this morning.
          <3 Maxwell

          This past 10 days it has been just me and him all day from the moment he gets up till he goes to sleep with us making sure Petra is fed and watered and then doing fun stuff and it's been an amazeballs time but I guess it will be tough for Petra when I go back to work as he is getting demanding during the day however her Mum comes from Slovakia for 2 weeks on tuesday so she will get some more support before it's back to us again.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 03:34:59 PM
          Sorry to say it but you need help or that cycle will continue a la Groundhog Day.  And despite your thinking to the contrary, you are in the category of mug punter.  If I had the resources, I would lay your bets till the cows came home.

          No offence intended, just calling it as I see it in black and white.  I hope you get help before you ruin everything...
          No offence taken and tbh I dont mind the flaming as anyone is free to post here and I have been honest with my diary since the start and see no reason not to be now and if I had control over every single penny I have in investments such as our properties then as I obviously have a degen gene in me then yes I would probably either be very rich or very poor however part of the safeguards in place are that I dont have access to that kind of money.

          When you say "cycle continue or mug punter" then you would associate that as of someone who actually has a "Gambling problem" and that is not me as I have actually been there and been at Rock bottom before so know 100% where that is ( back in my mid 20's) and at that point in my life the only thing that mattered was the placing of the very next bet and winning or losing didnt actually matter to the detriment of everything, even if it meant missing payments on mortgages or debts to family members and that situation has never been repeated in the 7years that I have been with Petra and wont be again hence the safeguards.

          It is a very different proposition to where I am at as I have a good job and for what I do as a completely unskilled person (main skills being an ability to get on with and talk to anyone) would suppose I earn a very good living which will always enable me to have a punt or a bet on the football and I dont ever envisage a time where not having the ability to have a bet will be in my life, that does not make a problem gambler. Many many people throughout their lives will have punts on football, horses whatever and if that's their leak then so be it as long as it does no harm to anyone then it should be fine my issue would be where having ironed out a serious amount of money what the next step would be if I had decided not to talk to Petra about it that may have been a different matter...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
          I have actually sold a small package of events to be played during April and for the benfit of the team here is the PM that was sent to all investors and as I have not sold any on the staking board I shall use this thread for updates

          Day1b April Deepstack @ £336

          Monte Carlo £1100

          and if we are not still in the Monte the Emmanuel House Charity Event that DTD are staging on 21st April (my birthday) where by out of the £150 entrance £100 is in prizepool  £15 reg and £35 is to the charity (link below to prizes)

          http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/tournaments/charity-tournaments (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/tournaments/charity-tournaments)

          Total for the 3 tournies is £1586 and there is no markup plus I shall be obviously rolling over any %'s that backers have bought to any of the seats won plus as an added Eso Freeroll incentive I shall be purchasing £100 of raffle tickets for the charity raffle and will freeroll %'s to investors for any seats won in the raffle.


          The team is as follows

          Me 41%
          Dubai 15%
          Flushy 15%
          Big_D 10%  RCVD
          Tikay 10%
          Messers Millidonk,Leatherman and CraigBetts all 3% each   RCVD Bettsy,Milli and Leather


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 23, 2013, 04:36:38 PM
          Good luck to you mate. Your honesty will help you without a doubt. As Dubai said life>money.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on March 24, 2013, 09:51:29 AM
          Really gutting to read this mate, and while I think 0800 is a little patronising this is per,haps because he thinks your just punting but I know thats not true. I hope it turns around, and make sure the swings aren't big enough to affect the most important things around you.


          Title: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on March 24, 2013, 12:44:51 PM
          Rough reading mate, but at least it's only some dough you've knocked in and you've managed to work through it without any bigger problems arising!

          You're gonna be too busy with Ivy to worry about BTTS coupons for a while anyway ;)

          Nippers are quality, amazing how quick Max has grown up isn't it and I've only seen pics on here!

          I notice the same with my niece because I only see her a few times a week, but it's ridic how they change in such a short space of time. Just set her up with her first PC because she wanted her own desk in the office and she's only 3... Thankfully she wanted it to watch Mickey Mouse Club on Youtube and hasn't asked for her own Betfair account just yet ;D

          Best of luck in the comps mate and hopefully that 28 lumps will be back in place next month  :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on March 24, 2013, 03:24:01 PM
          Whilst 0800 may seem a little harsh with his 'mug punter' comment I can't help but think you still have a gambling problem Rich.

          Just because it's not as bad as the 'rock bottom' problem you used to have doesn't mean you have it under control.

          I would think most people on Blonde have a gambling problem to a certain degree. I know I have that's for sure. Fortunately for me I'm single with no dependents so if it goes tits up the only person who gets hurt is me.

          You have a good job and a wonderful family. I don't understand risking it all for a chance of a few extra quid. You say that your bets were mostly flips. That suggests that the potential upside of this was a £28k profit. Would being £28k up have made as big a difference in a positive way as being £28k down has done in a negative way?

          Dubai's spot on that life >>> money of course. This is so much easier to say when you have a few quid behind you. When it's all gone I'm pretty sure that despite being alive your whole situation changes dramatically.

          Good luck sorting all this out mate. Sounds like you have a very understanding wife but I'm sure there's limits to that understanding.

          Cheers

          Matt



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 24, 2013, 04:41:23 PM
          You're a twat, eso. But I still love you x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on March 24, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
          You're a twat, eso. But I still love you x

          Pretty much sums up my post tbh xx


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on March 24, 2013, 07:50:59 PM
          Fack me Rich, so glad ya stop texting me your Tips..  :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 26, 2013, 11:10:58 PM
          Will address all the above posts ^^ tomorrow when I'm back at work after my 2 weeks are over  >:(

          Last couple of days have been a bit hectic with today Petra's folks getting in for a couple of weeks stay at ours which is good as she will have that bit of extra support now I'm back at work and over the weekend and yesterday we have been having some family photo's done either with a photographer colleague of Petra's or us doing the shoots at home and here are some of the early results but will post more as we download them.

          http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5370/img0154fb.jpg[/img]](http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5370/img0154fb.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=429)

          http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8204/img0166bwfb.jpg[/img]](http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8204/img0166bwfb.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=406)

          http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2015/img0018sepiafb.jpg[/img]](http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2015/img0018sepiafb.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=432)

          http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/828/img0141dl.jpg[/img]](http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/828/img0141dl.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=438)

          http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5705/img0135fb.jpg[/img]](http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5705/img0135fb.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)


          Soooooo many more but need to resize them first!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 27, 2013, 07:23:27 AM
          They are great pics Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mulhuzz on March 27, 2013, 10:26:03 AM
          They are great pics Rich.

          this. congrats on latest addition to team :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 27, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
          Great pics Rich.

          You ever think, I wish I didn't do all that 28k in, and saved some for a haircut for Max? :)

          Ps, fancy lunch one day next week? I'm up for a day trip to the seaside.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on March 27, 2013, 10:42:26 AM
          Great photos Rich.  Shame you lost the money you needed to buy socks for your family though.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on March 27, 2013, 10:59:52 AM
          <3 Eso

          'Will put some hours in on the diary once I'm back at work' ;D

          Top quality snappage there m8!


          Great pics Rich.

          You ever think, I wish I didn't do all that 28k in, and saved some for a haircut for Max? :)

          Ps, fancy lunch one day next week? I'm up for a day trip to the seaside.

          Max will be getting his haircut like daddy ldo ;)

          Living dangerously there Vin, giving all the info you're running the risk of actually getting the bill...  (one time!)




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on March 27, 2013, 11:03:46 AM
          Great pics Rich.

          You ever think, I wish I didn't do all that 28k in, and saved some for a haircut for Max? :)

          Ps, fancy lunch one day next week? I'm up for a day trip to the seaside.

          and bought a less gay dog?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on March 27, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
          be nice to meet you at DTD buddy.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 12:15:33 PM
          They are great pics Rich.

          this. congrats on latest addition to team :)
          Cheers Andy & Mulhuzz

          Great pics Rich.

          You ever think, I wish I didn't do all that 28k in, and saved some for a haircut for Max? :)

          Ps, fancy lunch one day next week? I'm up for a day trip to the seaside.
          Well there is a Nando's in Southend or we could stroll along the seafront?  Seriously tho next week is tough as day off is being used for DTD Deepstack but the week after we can do?

          Are you bringing your GF if so we will have to do it when she finishes school yh?

          Great photos Rich.  Shame you lost the money you needed to buy socks for your family though.
          Ha you and Vin would make a great double act!! ;)

          <3 Eso

          'Will put some hours in on the diary once I'm back at work' ;D

          Top quality snappage there m8!



           ;)

          be nice to meet you at DTD buddy.

          Yes mate I am going to paly Friday but am around for the weekend even if bust so we will defo share a few San Miguel's..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on March 27, 2013, 12:18:05 PM
          Very nice pictures indeed

          How is Max with the new arrival?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: nirvana on March 27, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
          If someone gets the socks I'll pony up for a carpet


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on March 27, 2013, 12:41:32 PM
          If someone gets the socks I'll pony up for a carpet

          #PrayForEso


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on March 27, 2013, 12:43:45 PM
          Fabulous pictures Rich, they're all really good but I especially like the "hands" one.

          Horrible few months of punting, but great that you put all of your cards on the table and talked it through at home. I hope things start buzzing again soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Boba Fett on March 27, 2013, 01:25:54 PM
          Congrats

          Where did the name Jarko come from? Don't think I've heard it before. Named after someone on Petra's side of the family or just a Slovakian name she liked or something else?

          Is it pronounced as it sounds or is it Yar-ko?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redarmi on March 27, 2013, 02:51:21 PM
          Nice photos mate but I can't help notice Ivy's hair.  Is it a deliberate Dubai tribute?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: aaron1867 on March 27, 2013, 02:52:59 PM
          They are great pics Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
          Few more photo's

          (http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2725/family1d.jpg)

          (http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5218/family3t.jpg)

          (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/773/ivy3.jpg)

          (http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/6523/ivy4.jpg)
          (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8959/ivy5.jpg)

          (http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9333/ivy6i.jpg)
          (http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9886/ivynpetra9.jpg)

          The images of Ivy on her own are all done by Petra and this is what she does for a living just photographing newborns in their first 14 days and whilst a bit nichey the images you get are incred and there is always a steady stream of people having babies. I never realised how much time this takes and how much patience she has to have and for some of the poses not yet posted of myself and Ivy I have even more admiration for her and her clients as in the 2 shoots I did with Ivy I was wee'd on twice, poo'd on once and was sick on once as well and after a clean up and a feed (not me) off you go again.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on March 27, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
          Tidied the images up for you Rich.

          You're posting too much code to place the image in the post.

          You're doing:
          Code:
          [url=http://[IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9886/ivynpetra9.jpg[/img]][IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9886/ivynpetra9.jpg[/img][/URL]

          You only need:
          Code:
          [IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9886/ivynpetra9.jpg[/img]


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 05:16:23 PM
          Very nice pictures indeed

          How is Max with the new arrival?
          Cheers Rich, tbh he has been brilliant as at first I thought he might be a bit jealous but as he woke up she was born downstairs and within an hour we bought him down to see her and had been telling him throughout the pregnancy about a new baby coming and since then he wants to hold her and kisses her constantly so all in all really good thanks.

          If someone gets the socks I'll pony up for a carpet
          As usual Glevarna own Blonde!!

          Fabulous pictures Rich, they're all really good but I especially like the "hands" one.

          Horrible few months of punting, but great that you put all of your cards on the table and talked it through at home. I hope things start buzzing again soon.

          TYVM, I like the hands one also and can see that one blown up and on a wall somewhere in the house.

          Congrats

          Where did the name Jarko come from? Don't think I've heard it before. Named after someone on Petra's side of the family or just a Slovakian name she liked or something else?

          Is it pronounced as it sounds or is it Yar-ko?

          It's Jarka and is pronounced Yarka as in eg if you were reading Alex's diary and he talked about his Gap Yah  ;) and is Petra's late grandma's first name back in Slovakia who sadly passed away a couple of months before we got married just before my Dad so Maxwell's middle name is Andrew and Jarka for Ivy.

          Nice photos mate but I can't help notice Ivy's hair.  Is it a deliberate Dubai tribute?
          Well we did go out one night about 9 months ago, hmmmmmmm....  ;)
          Apart from wash it thats just how it is, must be just me that's not folically blessed.

          How is your little one coming along Stu?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 05:18:12 PM
          Cheers Aaron!!

          @Boshi  thanks bud, I'm clueless with imageshack as when do it at home they come out like the earlier ones and at work like this  :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 05:20:40 PM
          I did notice however whilst having some individual shots done with Ivy how much timber I have put on since St.Kitts and am going to the gym to get an upto date bodyfat % before setting myself a realistic challenge to the end of the year so may end up in the fatties thread also!!

          Obv this is an "in before"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on March 27, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
          Bloody hell Rich thats a tidy sum to knock in. As you know I ain't into betting but I don't know what everyone is panicking about.
          Just by spending time in your company you soon realise that you are one of life's winners and posses raw natural ability at anything you do.

          Great looking kids, beautiful wife and general all round good egg. A lot of the ugly bastards could not buy that for £100k :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 05:53:00 PM
          Bloody hell Rich thats a tidy sum to knock in. As you know I ain't into betting but I don't know what everyone is panicking about.
          Just by spending time in your company you soon realise that you are one of life's winners and posses raw natural ability at anything you do.

          Great looking kids, beautiful wife and general all round good egg. A lot of the ugly bastards could not buy that for £100k :)
          Welcome Back Jase,  the bolded part is a bit wrong and will come back to it later in general as it's what the next step may have been and how far down that line trod before would I have gone and ruined everything that I have built up over the past 6-7 years.

          I never wanted it to come across anywhere that it's only 28k blah blah as in anyones books it is a lot of money and a complete waste but also balances out with the 12-15k I won at the start of the year and the St.Kitts package in various forms but it's just the short timespan that hurts and makes it worse along with the feelings of having been there much deeper before and knowing certain triggers that made it right to sort it out to stop me being able to lose a chunk more.

          Thanks for the compliments though   :kiss:


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: R8APK on March 27, 2013, 08:48:03 PM
          Just caught up.......nice one mate (your new born not the downswing!!). Catch up soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 27, 2013, 09:05:39 PM
          Just caught up.......nice one mate (your new born not the downswing!!). Catch up soon.
          Cheers Andy
          Wpwp on the deep run last weekend up in Newcastle


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on April 02, 2013, 10:29:16 AM
          Rich - huge congratulations on the new addition :)

          Re: the punting downswing... whilst it's obv a million miles away from an ideal outcome you should take massive strength from the fact that you've remained logical and calm throughout and taken a step back at what you felt was the appropriate moment. Hugely important/significant to be able to do this and shows great character.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jonnyk on April 02, 2013, 07:36:22 PM
          Once again, congrats on the newborn Rich, top photos.

          Only 23 here but been with my gf too long, but there is something to look forward to despite the reduced post marriage pokers.

          What you did with Petra was so genuine. I really hope that things work out going forward.

          Final this weekend, yeah? I grabbed a seat last night. Must grab a drink Rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:10:24 PM
          Whilst 0800 may seem a little harsh with his 'mug punter' comment I can't help but think you still have a gambling problem Rich.

          Just because it's not as bad as the 'rock bottom' problem you used to have doesn't mean you have it under control.

          I would think most people on Blonde have a gambling problem to a certain degree. I know I have that's for sure. Fortunately for me I'm single with no dependents so if it goes tits up the only person who gets hurt is me.

          You have a good job and a wonderful family. I don't understand risking it all for a chance of a few extra quid. You say that your bets were mostly flips. That suggests that the potential upside of this was a £28k profit. Would being £28k up have made as big a difference in a positive way as being £28k down has done in a negative way?

          Dubai's spot on that life >>> money of course. This is so much easier to say when you have a few quid behind you. When it's all gone I'm pretty sure that despite being alive your whole situation changes dramatically.

          Good luck sorting all this out mate. Sounds like you have a very understanding wife but I'm sure there's limits to that understanding.

          Cheers

          Matt


          Sorry Matt I had not come back to this or 0800's posts from before which were quite good posts and I agree with Adam (Rffffffffs) that sometimes 0800 does come across abit trollish but I never took it that way and yes you are most likely right in that ofc I deep down have a gambling problem of sorts and it will always rear it's ugly head if I have time, ability to have access to massive sums of money or if other areas of life are not great etc etc as it's my leak I suppose as I dont drink that much and have never been a smoker and deep down I love a punt and for the first time in 6-7 years I slipped back to some old habits.

          The winning or losing is not the most important thing in that as betting,poker etc are hobbies that for the past 7 years when under control I either lose small, win small or break even at whilst having a great deal of fun and bear no part of income or investments then I am quite lucky but I realised I was starting to spiral a bit on the punting front and took the back steps to ensure I didnt get to a point where I was before.

          I never wanted it to come across as it's only 28k as obv it is a lot of money irl but in the scheme of things does not change our life in anyway shape or form and just means I have to tighten my own disposable purse strings for a few months and punt very occasionally and for very small stakes as it is very unlikely I could ever commit to not having a bet again, not because I need to bet but sometimes you just have a punt.

          Problem gambling is very broad and not sure if I mentioned this when I started this diary but when I was first in trouble and I mean in trouble just to family at the time but without an income that would mean I could payback any money owed for a very long time my Dad frogmarched me to Gamblers Anonymous with my fiancee and they sat in the relatives room being told how to control me and that even the lottery is a form of gambling and I should never even buy a raffle ticket again and at the time I sat in my room with people telling their story and how for xxx days they had not had a bet and as I didnt believe I rebelled and basically tried to beat the system so syphoned money away where I could and become ultra ultra selective and actually turned %wise the biggest profit I had from bowl stakes due to it being important that was until Sarah found £750 turned from the odd 50p in my golf bag and it was GG but even my Dad found the whole thing very Cultish and never worked for us as a family. *sure it works for some

          I remember at the time answering all the questions which showed you were a problem gambler and answered correctly (not that this was a good thing) to all of them and would be 100% sure that today I would not tick half the boxes but its the access and ability that leads me to distraction!

          I suppose I need to get some enjoyment back from occasional punting on the rare occasion I will now punt and since I first posted I have had 3 bets

          I backed G Delaet to be in the top 10 in last weeks US golf @ 15/2  £50 loser

          I backed Horseys bookings tip the other day at 13/8 for £20 and then spun the winnings onto

          The Bayern/Barca double last night at just over 2/1 (see I run good  ;) so its a good job we have a dog and not a cat!

          And now most likely wont punt until I see something I like or a respected poster puts up as value somewhere else which is so many miles away from where I was many years ago.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:11:24 PM
          Rich - huge congratulations on the new addition :)

          Re: the punting downswing... whilst it's obv a million miles away from an ideal outcome you should take massive strength from the fact that you've remained logical and calm throughout and taken a step back at what you felt was the appropriate moment. Hugely important/significant to be able to do this and shows great character.
          Thx for the nice comment Ed.

          DTD this weekend?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:12:47 PM
          Once again, congrats on the newborn Rich, top photos.

          Only 23 here but been with my gf too long, but there is something to look forward to despite the reduced post marriage pokers.

          What you did with Petra was so genuine. I really hope that things work out going forward.

          Final this weekend, yeah? I grabbed a seat last night. Must grab a drink Rich!
          Hi Jonny
          WPWP on grabbing your seat the other night and GLGL for the weekend. Please if you see me come and say hi so I can put a face to a name/SN


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on April 03, 2013, 12:13:28 PM
          some quite superb posts of late eso

          i admire your honesty with your wife

          wish you continued luck in life and punting


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on April 03, 2013, 12:21:29 PM
          I found having the two young ones certainly meant whenever I have the urge to gamble I simply don't have time or too tired! Half the battle is telling the missus :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
          Last night was pretty redic on the DTD satty front and having engineered an early double through and then maintained my stack to the addon I was in the top 80 for ages before taking my chance at a double vs a very aggy player with 110 left to catapult me into the top 20 whereby my silent fanboys Bettsy and Leatherman suddenly start railing me via text with Bettsy telling me at 11.19 "That's a lock"

          Obv life is never that easy in my household and I replied "I'm feeling a pure bubble" so being patient and in 27th with 60 left it really should have been a lock and I would say I am comfortable with Satty theory so won the odd blinds and then with 55left and 50 seats the usual timebanking for everyone started and I was now in the 30's with loads of really short stacks and rising blinds it still looked like I would bink, unfortunately a couple of shorties genuinely doubled and then some keyboard wizards who were playing started coaching and we were sliding down the leaderboard with the bigstacks playing as they should and then with the BB having 12k at 5/10k and the SB 115k the BB offered $100 to the SB to fold his hand which was accepted and I sat patiently as on another table the BB was all in for 7k I had JJ UTG and 1.5BB and had to timebank fold as they had not played their hand out which he won 62>AQ and we were allin on the BB next hand with another player on my table left with 1ante but I dont run as good as some and my table found 4 calls with me losing on a 4spade board to "Pure Bubble"

          Really think the should mod the chat from 60players down when they give 50seats as 3 diff people messaged me saying "blatant collusion" but I'm a bit indifferent to it just sucks to pure bubble typifying the form atm..

          /rant


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 03, 2013, 12:36:19 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
          some quite superb posts of late eso

          i admire your honesty with your wife

          wish you continued luck in life and punting
          Thanks Horsey and good spot on the bookings the other night.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
          I found having the two young ones certainly meant whenever I have the urge to gamble I simply don't have time or too tired! Half the battle is telling the missus :)
          Oh yeah time is definately limited but sleep I dont need much of so still have the time!

          Godknows how Red does it!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 12:46:28 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 03, 2013, 12:57:45 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)

          Did you get a response?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 03, 2013, 01:02:07 PM
          So so sick watching you pure bubble when really ya had seat locked up.

          Deffo should be DtdObserver watching last few tables or just switch that dam chat off..

          Cringe worthy stuff

          Good Luck Tonight


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
          On the work front we have been on a massive upswing which when my dad was alive he could never quite grasp how I managed to run my offices well whilst downswonging hard in other areas and still come to work being me whilst knocking in chunks.

          Last year in our first full year as a team here (having moved across the road 17 months before) we turned over £290k in residential sales fees which was an increase of 25% of what they had done the year before us in what is perceived to be a static market but having just completed the 1st Qtr figures we are 150% of where we were at this time last year and on target to turn over about £400k if we keep selling at the same rate for another 6months (6months as at the end of September that's our business done for the year).

          With loads of sales on the board morale in the office is high and everyone is obv earning good ££ which inturn keeps people motivated and happy at work!

          Recession what  Recession!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)

          Did you get a response?
          not yet...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 01:06:57 PM
          So so sick watching you pure bubble when really ya had seat locked up.

          Deffo should be DtdObserver watching last few tables or just switch that dam chat off..

          Cringe worthy stuff

          Good Luck Tonight

          <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on April 03, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
          Rich - huge congratulations on the new addition :)

          Re: the punting downswing... whilst it's obv a million miles away from an ideal outcome you should take massive strength from the fact that you've remained logical and calm throughout and taken a step back at what you felt was the appropriate moment. Hugely important/significant to be able to do this and shows great character.
          Thx for the nice comment Ed.

          DTD this weekend?

          Depends on a couple of factors a little out of my control. I'm hoping, 'yes', though fear it's more likely a 'no' :(

          Glglgl if you are playing.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 03, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 03:17:58 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          Sweeeet look forward to a beer if I recognise you without the hair  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 03, 2013, 03:22:42 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          Sweeeet look forward to a beer if I recognise you without the hair  ;)

          Not had it cut since January, might have to leave it too, seems unfair for Pleno to fly all this way to miss out on the barnet


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Boba Fett on April 03, 2013, 05:42:53 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          beer and a jaegerbomb? lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 03, 2013, 05:58:53 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          beer and a jaegerbomb? lol

          (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsm2sgTQjw1qbtnvxo1_400.gif)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 06:05:25 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          beer and a jaegerbomb? lol

          (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsm2sgTQjw1qbtnvxo1_400.gif)
          Incred


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 03, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
          I was contemplating late-regging tonight instead of buying in at the start.  It's all about getting to the add-on really, and then taking it from there.  Will probably play from the start though..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on April 03, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          beer and a jaegerbomb? lol

          (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsm2sgTQjw1qbtnvxo1_400.gif)
          Incred


          All aboard the Jaeger train.

          I've loaded up an epic few of these before....though curiously the pastime tends to be more thoroughly practised if/when returning to the old student bar than when out in London....funny thing that.

          Hugely satisfying I must say.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 03, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
          Late reg ftw  :P


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 03, 2013, 07:31:37 PM
          I was contemplating late-regging tonight instead of buying in at the start.  It's all about getting to the add-on really, and then taking it from there.  Will probably play from the start though..
          15/20 per night have not made the add on, either through poor play or calling off their stacks with the nuts to be sucked out on. I don't think I have seen a tourney this month or last where late regging did not put you inside the top 50 plus I could watch the first half of game of thrones without distraction :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 08:18:20 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)

          Did you get a response?
          i usually watch these comps around the bubble but missed the $$ offer on your table last night. What I did see the night before was an act of collusion. Two mates were chatting together and first mate (akhil xxx) raises and his mate comes over the top for less than 1bb more. It folds back round to akhil who insta folds. Makes no bones about what he did and obv some of the other guys at his table give him abuse.

          You got any views on late regging over playing from the start. I've been advocating the late reg to my mates for obv reasons but thought I saw you in from the start.
          I bust Monday before the addon :( and like the idea of the late reg but if you late reg,rebuy and addon to give you 40k then you are in for 90 so can save 30 if you manage to hold in some spots early which suits me more   just my opinion tho


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 08:19:07 PM
          Dtd have had issues for a while regarding this. I've seen/heard people shout their hole cards across the room whilst in the club! Its really dirty, but it might not even be malicious, just naivety. Hopefully DTD come through with a solid ruling and do something to prevent this behaviour.

          I'm not there this weekend as it is the first time my Grandma's can visit, but I'm turning up at the MC for a beer even if I'm not playing. Hope to see you there! (Day 3 preferably!)
          beer and a jaegerbomb? lol

          (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsm2sgTQjw1qbtnvxo1_400.gif)
          Incred


          All aboard the Jaeger train.

          I've loaded up an epic few of these before....though curiously the pastime tends to be more thoroughly practised if/when returning to the old student bar than when out in London....funny thing that.

          Hugely satisfying I must say.
          Choo Choo    In for the MC Jaeger train!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 03, 2013, 09:01:02 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)

          Did you get a response?
          i usually watch these comps around the bubble but missed the $$ offer on your table last night. What I did see the night before was an act of collusion. Two mates were chatting together and first mate (akhil xxx) raises and his mate comes over the top for less than 1bb more. It folds back round to akhil who insta folds. Makes no bones about what he did and obv some of the other guys at his table give him abuse.

          You got any views on late regging over playing from the start. I've been advocating the late reg to my mates for obv reasons but thought I saw you in from the start.
          I bust Monday before the addon :( and like the idea of the late reg but if you late reg,rebuy and addon to give you 40k then you are in for 90 so can save 30 if you manage to hold in some spots early which suits me more   just my opinion tho
          here is the reason I advocate late regging to all the lads from Scunny I help or travel with. 2nd hand in tonight lol. I told him to late reg.

          (http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/smashedagain/807EE94E-7728-43E4-86EF-E1B1C82E6602-1035-0000015C5BA01B53.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 09:09:59 PM
          I didn't get that far (went out to a rather interesting call by someone who I thought would know better with 64-sooted for more than half of his stack with 70 left), but at least there was nothing underhand with his call - he can do what he wants with his chips and that's the game.

          But when people are being offered $100 to fold and there's obvious cheating going on then that's not right at all.  I would report this to DTD, with a copy of the chat.  Of course, there will be offline collusion going on, but that's close to impossible to police.  The stuff you mentioned can easily be stopped with the chat blocked from a certain point out (10 from the bubble or something?).  DTD could also monitor the tables from that point, if the ability to switch the chat off isn't available, and manually intervene if there is cheating going on.


          I messaged them re the $$ offered as it will defo show up and interestingly said exactly the same thing about chat disable or a DTD mod from 60players down just to let everyone know they are being monitored in the interests of fairplay.

          Obv back in the saddle tonight tho ;)

          Did you get a response?
          i usually watch these comps around the bubble but missed the $$ offer on your table last night. What I did see the night before was an act of collusion. Two mates were chatting together and first mate (akhil xxx) raises and his mate comes over the top for less than 1bb more. It folds back round to akhil who insta folds. Makes no bones about what he did and obv some of the other guys at his table give him abuse.

          You got any views on late regging over playing from the start. I've been advocating the late reg to my mates for obv reasons but thought I saw you in from the start.
          I bust Monday before the addon :( and like the idea of the late reg but if you late reg,rebuy and addon to give you 40k then you are in for 90 so can save 30 if you manage to hold in some spots early which suits me more   just my opinion tho
          here is the reason I advocate late regging to all the lads from Scunny I help or travel with. 2nd hand in tonight lol. I told him to late reg.

          (http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r631/smashedagain/807EE94E-7728-43E4-86EF-E1B1C82E6602-1035-0000015C5BA01B53.jpg)
          granted but if my auntie had a cock...  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: h on April 03, 2013, 10:09:56 PM
          this was last night with 52 left i think maybe 53

          think no chat from 10 out




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 03, 2013, 10:31:37 PM
          this was last night with 52 left i think maybe 53

          think no chat from 10 out



          Yh was watching that hand thanks H.

          I have had a message to say they are looking into it now so we shall see but not bothered for this time it's more about the future as I can laugh at the situation having called my finishing pos about 2 hours earlier :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 04, 2013, 12:28:35 AM
          JB has noticed stuff tonight too posted on his diary on his diary.

          Mother cock post reply.... Did you notice tonight almost 50 players never made the add on


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 12:31:04 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 04, 2013, 12:34:06 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.
          you'd have started off in 40th place at 9.35 I believe. Can't believe you was on JB's table n never got a double up :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 12:34:29 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.
          you'd have started off in 40th place at 9.35 I believe. Can't believe you was on JB's table n never got a double up :)

          Not sure I was on his table.  What's his name on DTD?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 04, 2013, 12:37:33 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.
          you'd have started off in 40th place at 9.35 I believe. Can't believe you was on JB's table n never got a double up :)

          Not sure I was on his table.  What's his name on DTD?
          oh. Check his thread. Got same convo going acros 2 threads now


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 12:42:06 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.
          you'd have started off in 40th place at 9.35 I believe. Can't believe you was on JB's table n never got a double up :)

          Not sure I was on his table.  What's his name on DTD?
          oh. Check his thread. Got same convo going acros 2 threads now

          Make that three now :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: smashedagain on April 04, 2013, 12:55:28 AM
          I would have been better waiting until the end of the rebuy period before entering, but never mind. That's actually a bit results orientated as my KK v AQ would have given me a nice stack and I'd have been very comfortable come the freezeout period.
          you'd have started off in 40th place at 9.35 I believe. Can't believe you was on JB's table n never got a double up :)

          Not sure I was on his table.  What's his name on DTD?
          oh. Check his thread. Got same convo going acros 2 threads now

          Make that three now :D
          ffs I can't do blonde and candy crush at the same time when I'm on my phone.

          I think all your prayers have been answered Kinbo.... There are at least 345 levels according to Richard Hawes.

          I even heard Tighty was after buying me an iPad with £500 game apps already loaded on it :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Girgy85 on April 04, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
          March 12th @ 11pm

          We realised that we would be giving birth in the next 12 hours as Petra was having consistent contractions and had wanted to put the Tens machine on which send's pulses to release the endorphines as you are having the contractions and off we went to bed knowing that our baby would be born soon.

          As with Maxwell we had always planned on having a home birth and at 2am on Weds 13th March Petra woke me to say her contractions were stronger and that we should go downstairs and call the midwife, so we set up in the lounge as we didnt want to wake Maxwell and if it was during the day had arrangements for a friend to take Max for the day.

          3am and the first midwife Lisa turns up and checks Petra over and brings in the multitude of boxes that she could need containing equipment and also mediacal equipment if the birth turns difficult and with a home birth for anyone that does not know there is always an ambulance ready and waiting if there are any complications.  So every few minutes I am called into action to rub her back (something I learnt with the first birth that needs to be done on EVERY contraction) and generally make sure she has everything she needs and let Lisa sort out the rest and at that point we were 5cm dilated needing to get to 10cm for any of the youff who dont know these things yet.

          445am and the 2nd midwife appears which is standard once you reach established labour and at this point the lounge resembles a battlefield with everything re-arranged and kit everywhere and Petra was now going through the "not feeling I can do it stage" so a bit of a motivational talk about how well she was doing and a few Jelly babies and off we wnt again.

          At this point we knew we were close and as Maxwell wakes somewhere between 6-7am I called my Mum to see if she could come earlier than she noramlly does when having Max on a Weds and be with us for 7am and within a very short space of time we went from not being able to see the head or it being 50p's worth of view to within a few minutes the head being out and then 1 push later the baby being out and as we didnt know the sex of the baby (you dont get many big surprises in life boys!!) the 15-20 second wait whilst the quickly clean the baby and make sure she is ok and tell you the sex and our beautiful baby girl Ivy Jarka Blacklock was born weighing 7lb 6oz.

          Here she is a few hours after the birth
          http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7338/ivyw.jpg[/img]](http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7338/ivyw.jpg) (http://[img width=600 height=450)

          and we didnt know how Max would take to her but explained a lot over the past weeks how Mummy was having a little baby and tried to keep him involved as much as possible and as he woke up we were actually giving birth so an hour or so later once the place had been tidied up and Petra was ready we introduced him to her and he calls her Bab although can now say her name and he is completely enamoured by her wanting to see her whenever he can and hold her as these show.

          http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/596/maxandivyl.jpg[/img]](http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/596/maxandivyl.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2293/threemuskateers.jpg[/img]](http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2293/threemuskateers.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          Finally one of me with Ivy from the past few days
          http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ivy1.jpg[/img]](http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9428/ivy1.jpg) (http://[img width=450 height=600)

          both Petra and Ivy are doing really well and whilst babies normally lose a small amount of weight in their first few days especially the ones who are breatfeeding (in before Girgy) Ivy had gained weight after 5 days and is now getting into a good sleep pattern with Petra only being up twice a night for the past few nights. I go back to work properly next Weds after taking 2 weeks holiday to be off, I say take 2 weeks holiday but I negotiated at the start of the year for them to give me an extra 2 weeks this year as taking Paternity leave costs me money and they agreed which was nice of them so for the past 10days I have been in every other day and bought Max in for a few hours just catching up on stuff and helping out.

          Our lass is planning on breast feeding :D yum xx

          Congrats on little cutie mate I can't wait to be a daddy :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 12:18:43 PM
          ^^ Cheers Girgles

          When is the baby due? Do you know what type it is yet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
          I was contemplating late-regging tonight instead of buying in at the start.  It's all about getting to the add-on really, and then taking it from there.  Will probably play from the start though..

          hi kinboshi, id like to ask your opinion and others on this thread please. with the addon being 20k is it best to late reg? were people successful last night doing this?
          i didnt play last night but tried the night before i will try get myself a token before the start tonight. if you late reg right before cut off you pretty much get 30k and looking at stacks i was thinking this has to be the best way to play? or is there a better strat? super tight at start,only calling with 5star hands ;).
          be interested to see what people do? btw this is basing on the fact i only having one token :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
          If I was going to late reg, I would then be taking the rebuy and add-on to give me 40,000.

          I guess the benefit of playing from the start is that you can try to maximise the value of the initial entry and obviate the £30 rebuy (if you manage to accumulate some chips rather than lose them as I usually do). Of course, you should always be looking to add-on in these mega sats, the chips you get for the add-on dramatically increase the chance of winning a £330 seat compared to the £30 cost of the add-on.

          I think the optimum strategy for these megasats is to play from the start, try to accumulate a stack, and rebuy if you can't, and then add-on.  You're looking to get to the freezeout period with more than 40K, which puts you in a decent position to play the freezeout period.  Of course, you can win a seat from far fewer chips, but it's more comfortable with a stack of 40K+ and you increase your chances a fair bit.  It looks like a lot of people look to play without a rebuy, or manage to get through their rebuy and still lose all their chips before the end of the rebuy period - as quite a few of the runners who started the comp last night were out before the add-on.  Obviously, these players would have done better to late-reg and go from there based on just last night, but if you do this regularly then you're forfeiting the chance to obtain more chips during the rebuy period.

          People probably approach the sats very differently to me, and no doubt there'll be huge flaws in my thinking.  All I know is that from a relatively small sample-size, I've been doing well from these sats over the past few years.  Will be interesting to hear other people's thoughts.

          (Apologies to Rich for hijacking his diary :D)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 01:59:16 PM

          (Apologies to Rich for hijacking his diary :D)
          Haha NP the more hits the better IMO

          I bust out twice this week before the addon but with Sets vs Draws and QQ v AK obv never folding either

          Will try the late reg though next time


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 02:10:01 PM
          Yeah sorry rich lol, I'm def trying tonight as my friend has txt me so the usual takeaway/ps3 zombie night has been cancelled so having a pop 2nite
          That's the problem with early Reggin or I've found in the past, have a set or really big hand to the flop but some guy shoves on a draw or just a bluff and manages to win somehow. Think online more than live we do remember the bad beats better than the hands we win.
          10 gtd tonight so I'm going to try see if I can pull it off, u not trying it 2nite rich?
          Plus these Monte Carlo satellites 50seats gtd live at the club looks good :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 02:13:41 PM
          I am enjoying reading through this diary, late starting admittedly as it was created ages ago :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
          I am enjoying reading through this diary, late starting admittedly as it was created ages ago :)
          Np bud, thx for reading and will see you later online!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 02:21:42 PM
          Yeah sorry rich lol, I'm def trying tonight as my friend has txt me so the usual takeaway/ps3 zombie night has been cancelled so having a pop 2nite
          That's the problem with early Reggin or I've found in the past, have a set or really big hand to the flop but some guy shoves on a draw or just a bluff and manages to win somehow. Think online more than live we do remember the bad beats better than the hands we win.
          10 gtd tonight so I'm going to try see if I can pull it off, u not trying it 2nite rich?
          Plus these Monte Carlo satellites 50seats gtd live at the club looks good :)

          The thing is, you shouldn't be too caught up in the results of these hands. If you play those hands 100 times, you'll win them 70 times (as an example) and those times you'll reach the add-on with more chips than if you entered then.  Someone called my all-in 4-bet with AQ (I had KK), and they hit their A.  This was in the second level of the comp.  So I had to rebuy this time, but more often than not, I'd have had the double up there and would have hopefully gone on to use the chips well.  So I want the call there, as I'm a favourite.  I have to accept that I won't win every time though, and if I want to avoid this variance, then I'd be better off late-registering (and missing out on the opportunity to accumulate chips).


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 02:23:35 PM
          Yeah sorry rich lol, I'm def trying tonight as my friend has txt me so the usual takeaway/ps3 zombie night has been cancelled so having a pop 2nite
          That's the problem with early Reggin or I've found in the past, have a set or really big hand to the flop but some guy shoves on a draw or just a bluff and manages to win somehow. Think online more than live we do remember the bad beats better than the hands we win.
          10 gtd tonight so I'm going to try see if I can pull it off, u not trying it 2nite rich?
          Plus these Monte Carlo satellites 50seats gtd live at the club looks good :)

          The thing is, you shouldn't be too caught up in the results of these hands. If you play those hands 100 times, you'll win them 70 times (as an example) and those times you'll reach the add-on with more chips than if you entered then.  Someone called my all-in 4-bet with AQ (I had KK), and they hit their A.  This was in the second level of the comp.  So I had to rebuy this time, but more often than not, I'd have had the double up there and would have hopefully gone on to use the chips well.  So I want the call there, as I'm a favourite.  I have to accept that I won't win every time though, and if I want to avoid this variance, then I'd be better off late-registering (and missing out on the opportunity to accumulate chips).
          Had the same convo with Leatherman plus the added utility of being in for £60 (when we dbl early) instead of £90


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 04, 2013, 02:28:34 PM
          Yeah sorry rich lol, I'm def trying tonight as my friend has txt me so the usual takeaway/ps3 zombie night has been cancelled so having a pop 2nite
          That's the problem with early Reggin or I've found in the past, have a set or really big hand to the flop but some guy shoves on a draw or just a bluff and manages to win somehow. Think online more than live we do remember the bad beats better than the hands we win.
          10 gtd tonight so I'm going to try see if I can pull it off, u not trying it 2nite rich?
          Plus these Monte Carlo satellites 50seats gtd live at the club looks good :)

          The thing is, you shouldn't be too caught up in the results of these hands. If you play those hands 100 times, you'll win them 70 times (as an example) and those times you'll reach the add-on with more chips than if you entered then.  Someone called my all-in 4-bet with AQ (I had KK), and they hit their A.  This was in the second level of the comp.  So I had to rebuy this time, but more often than not, I'd have had the double up there and would have hopefully gone on to use the chips well.  So I want the call there, as I'm a favourite.  I have to accept that I won't win every time though, and if I want to avoid this variance, then I'd be better off late-registering (and missing out on the opportunity to accumulate chips).
          Had the same convo with Leatherman plus the added utility of being in for £60 (when we dbl early) instead of £90

          Which is also the reason I don't rebuy right from the start.  I think there's greater return on aiming to get to the add-on with just above average chips, rather than getting there less often, but with a massive stack when we do (whereas the opposite might be arguably better for a normal MTT?).  If you can get there for £60 instead of £90, then all the better.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 04:49:59 PM
          Yeah sorry rich lol, I'm def trying tonight as my friend has txt me so the usual takeaway/ps3 zombie night has been cancelled so having a pop 2nite
          That's the problem with early Reggin or I've found in the past, have a set or really big hand to the flop but some guy shoves on a draw or just a bluff and manages to win somehow. Think online more than live we do remember the bad beats better than the hands we win.
          10 gtd tonight so I'm going to try see if I can pull it off, u not trying it 2nite rich?
          Plus these Monte Carlo satellites 50seats gtd live at the club looks good :)

          The thing is, you shouldn't be too caught up in the results of these hands. If you play those hands 100 times, you'll win them 70 times (as an example) and those times you'll reach the add-on with more chips than if you entered then.  Someone called my all-in 4-bet with AQ (I had KK), and they hit their A.  This was in the second level of the comp.  So I had to rebuy this time, but more often than not, I'd have had the double up there and would have hopefully gone on to use the chips well.  So I want the call there, as I'm a favourite.  I have to accept that I won't win every time though, and if I want to avoid this variance, then I'd be better off late-registering (and missing out on the opportunity to accumulate chips).
          Had the same convo with Leatherman plus the added utility of being in for £60 (when we dbl early) instead of £90

          Which is also the reason I don't rebuy right from the start.  I think there's greater return on aiming to get to the add-on with just above average chips, rather than getting there less often, but with a massive stack when we do (whereas the opposite might be arguably better for a normal MTT?).  If you can get there for £60 instead of £90, then all the better.

          Kinboshi is completely correct ITT, the 'mathematical' play is to late reg, rebuy and addon, you guarantee yourself at the money stage with a reasonable amount of chips.  However for the majority of the stronger players in the field they are rarely going to 'waste' the rebuy and instead would hope to get to the break with more than 40k. I myself played 2 or 3 hands before the addon stage, one of them being KK vs JJ for a big double, so I got to the addon with over 50k.  The main problem people have in these is that they look at it as a 'shot' to get in for £30... which is completely incorrect.  If you're not viewing it as a £60 comp with a single rebuy then you're making a mistake before you start.

          Other than that, the other main problem people have in these is that they 'call' way too much.

          This may seem strange but on multiple occasions I folded AQ and even AK last night preflop to shortie shoves in certain spots (vs UTG or vs MP) - BECAUSE the key to these is stack preservation, you want to make money from other peoples mistakes.. The way you win these is to not get to showdown.. but to steal a lot and be patient so you can steal enough in the later stages to make sure you get a seat.  I know I only got my seat because I won 1 flip (standard) when short and I made one really good resteal which actually doubled me up without being called.

          Hope this makes sense.




          Oh a much more important note, congratulations Rich on the baby.. hope you're all healthy and everything is going well.  Having been the 'older' brother I know its a confusing time for Max but including him like you have has to be the best thing.  See you soon mate and best wishes n love to Petra and lil'uns.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
          ^^ Cheers JB  see you over the weekend buddy <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 05:03:20 PM
          ^^ Cheers JB  see you over the weekend buddy <3

          My only fear of coming to DTD at the moment is the amount of beers I owe people and want to have with others... I'm a lightweight at the best of times, but theres easily 15-20 heros I know will be there.

          fml


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 04, 2013, 06:08:57 PM
          Yeh great points from Boshi an JB

          Late reggin worked for me Monday reload and Addon is a must  having a Token is nice 40k at 300/600 puts you in top 50 and by then the comp has normally got rid of 15-20% of the starting field.

          Would do the same in the Monte 50 seater although there's no Addon.. So ideally I'd like a token straight away reload..





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 08:33:43 PM
          thks guys for taking time to post to my question, its a difficlut one. i think im opting for the late reg with re-buy and add on for my final attempt to get a bloody seat ;) . just hope i get my favourite dealers after the addon break, gl if anyone else is playing :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
          Just shipped one in the £20 by late regging in last minute and just taking the addon only ;)

          Now the same in the £30 pls Ipoker gods!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 04, 2013, 09:45:17 PM
          When does the add occur?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 09:47:25 PM
          When does the add occur?
          Enter uptill the end of level 8 so 7 mins from now and you can have 30k for £60 or 40k for £90 at 3/600/75 with 45odd left and 10 seats, this is not as good as the mega sats but for £60 you gotta spin.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 04, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
          ok, just joined. will try and hold out for addon without rebuy. Cheers Rich. See you Sat


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 09:50:04 PM
          ok, just joined. will try and hold out for addon without rebuy. Cheers Rich. See you Sat
          GLGL  Nando's 12.30  BobalikeCeltic is paying...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 04, 2013, 09:52:01 PM
          Very tempting just to see the hurt in Vinny's eyes, will let you know if I can make it


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
          Is that Nandos meeting crashable..? :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
          Is that Nandos meeting crashable..? :D
          Ofc mate  Leatherman,Bettsy already confirmed so see you there JB!!

          Very tempting just to see the hurt in Vinny's eyes, will let you know if I can make it
          No probs, hope the Missus let's you out to play ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 04, 2013, 10:08:08 PM
          Is that Nandos meeting crashable..? :D
          Ofc mate  Leatherman,Bettsy already confirmed so see you there JB!!

          Very tempting just to see the hurt in Vinny's eyes, will let you know if I can make it
          No probs, hope the Missus let's you out to play ;)

          Petra doesn't mind at all ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2013, 10:08:50 PM
          Is that Nandos meeting crashable..? :D
          Ofc mate  Leatherman,Bettsy already confirmed so see you there JB!!

          Very tempting just to see the hurt in Vinny's eyes, will let you know if I can make it
          No probs, hope the Missus let's you out to play ;)

          Petra doesn't mind at all ;)
          Lolol very good Dr


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 04, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
          Next time I utter the words online poker just remind me that I hate it please. No bad beat story just hate it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 10:41:08 PM
          haha, i'll make mine brief as ive been told not to de-rial threads on blonde with my moaning lol, but...

          my hands

          aq v's ak
          aq v's ak
          aq v's ak

          and aj, k-10 called that was my game lol. hit once and when i did the king was on the flop for the other dude( of course ). think i stole the blinds with one of my a-q that was it.

          echo the HATE online, with a passion. is there something im missing spent approx 350 trying to get a 330 seat

          no deepstack for me :(( plus side i get a early night 2nite  ;sleep;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
          gl to anyone still in btw post the action :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 10:50:45 PM
          haha, i'll make mine brief as ive been told not to de-rial threads on blonde with my moaning lol, but...

          my hands

          aq v's ak
          aq v's ak
          aq v's ak

          and aj, k-10 called that was my game lol. hit once and when i did the king was on the flop for the other dude( of course ). think i stole the blinds with one of my a-q that was it.

          echo the HATE online, with a passion. is there something im missing spent approx 350 trying to get a 330 seat

          no deepstack for me :(( plus side i get a early night 2nite  ;sleep;

          Yeahman - literally no idea who you are but only seen like 5posts from you and all complaining about poker hands...

          #chilloutbro

          Didn't you listen to Doyle Brunson? Fold AQ. :D

          (btw im getting absolutely hammered in an aiport lounge atm so ignore me)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 11:14:50 PM
          lol that made me laugh, im nobody, mr annoymous. i was reading rich's diary ive only recently looked at the diary section, i read about attempt into tonight and i wanted views on ways players approach satelites.

          it is fair to say atm 90 of my posts are in a nutshell bad beats but dont think i went overboard. yeah ur right about a-q :)

          enjoy the drinks ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 11:20:31 PM
          lol that made me laugh, im nobody, mr annoymous. i was reading rich's diary ive only recently looked at the diary section, i read about attempt into tonight and i wanted views on ways players approach satelites.

          it is fair to say atm 90 of my posts are in a nutshell bad beats but dont think i went overboard. yeah ur right about a-q :)

          enjoy the drinks ;)
          both Kin (boshi) and I made some comments earlier in Rich (Eso's) blog about satellites.


          They are a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT form of poker.  You need to treat them as such and basically only play super strong hands.. And fold if someone else is all in unless you have 10's+ and 5bbs or KK's+ and 10bbs.  This sounds insane, I know.

          BUT you are not trying to win the whole thing.  Just 'creep' into the paying places.

          I once googled 'satellite strategy' and found two articles that articulated it perfectly.  Please do the same and enjoy some success, then buy me more beers!!

          I thankyou, (bows)...



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on April 04, 2013, 11:31:19 PM
          thanks i will do that :) and wen success does come i'll get a round in lol
          ive only been playing these sats for about 1year and only last two deepstacks have i seriously set out to get a seat so i have alot to learn
          ty for everyones support and opinions
          11.10 up at 6,that time, night


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 04, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
          thanks i will do that :) and wen success does come i'll get a round in lol
          ive only been playing these sats for about 1year and only last two deepstacks have i seriously set out to get a seat so i have alot to learn
          ty for everyones support and opinions
          11.10 up at 6,that time, night

          No probs, if your willing to treat it as a different kind of poker that's step 1.

          Most people on dtd's software aren't that far IMHO.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 05, 2013, 12:34:30 AM
          ok, just joined. will try and hold out for addon without rebuy. Cheers Rich. See you Sat
          GLGL  Nando's 12.30  BobalikeCeltic is paying...


           ;indestructable;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 05, 2013, 12:44:21 AM
          Just shipped one in the £20 by late regging in last minute and just taking the addon only ;)

          Now the same in the £30 pls Ipoker gods!!

          Finally mate bout time ya got some justice..

          See ya Saturday @ Nando's have ya told Celtic that he's paying for the Blonde Table.  ;kev;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2013, 12:46:16 AM
          ok, just joined. will try and hold out for addon without rebuy. Cheers Rich. See you Sat
          GLGL  Nando's 12.30  BobalikeCeltic is paying...


           ;indestructable;
          See you there Boshi, hope Vinny doesn't read this...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 05, 2013, 04:43:40 AM
          Wtf?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2013, 01:14:21 PM
          Petra has now retouched the last few photo's with not much needed obv and the ones of Max lying down with Ivy and all 3 of us lying down are a couple of my favs from the whole shoot.

          Sorry Boshi I can't get the code to work like you did so it will be the long version

          (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2162/april51.jpg)

          (http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1904/april52.jpg)

          (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3105/april53.jpg)

          (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5446/april55.jpg)

          Finally managed to ship a seat last night trying the late reg route which is all good and think I played 2 hands until we were down to 13 with 10seats then shipped some hands against stacks and locked the seat up there. My outlay for sats this week was more than I wanted and certainly would not be playing anything bar the mega's again but had some time to kill last night and flicked it in.

          I basically paid £63, £63, £63 with 2 out before addons to standard hands and 1 pure bubble followed by a £42 and a £63 so have saved the juice marv but probs should have won 2 seats which would have been nice.

          GL all blondes playing tomoz and also GL to Vinny trying to swerve the Nando's bill..




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 05, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
          Literally FYP.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on April 05, 2013, 01:17:05 PM
          Also, times are bad aren't they?  First it was no socks, and now no clothes at all.

          Will start a whip-round...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on April 05, 2013, 01:21:20 PM
          Pic 1 and 3 incred. wp the baldness.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
          Literally FYP.
          Boss!!

          Pic 1 and 3 incred. wp the baldness.
          High praise indeed from the big man x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 05, 2013, 01:38:40 PM
          Great pics mate..

          ccr could be fun tomoz ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2013, 02:10:44 PM
          Great pics mate..

          ccr could be fun tomoz ;)
          not if my card gets picked it wont!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jgcblack on April 06, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
          Im only an hour late..

          Sure you've waited....:D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jonnyk on April 06, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
          WP on binking the seats. Good work on the pics too.

          Obviously its time for the run good to happen, but do you mind holding off as I'm now in seat 7 on your table!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: zerofive on April 07, 2013, 02:09:31 PM
          Miranda


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
          Miranda
          Norrrrrrrrrrrrrr   I'm still thinking!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 07, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
          Miranda
          Norrrrrrrrrrrrrr   I'm still waiting for Vinny to think of a funny name.!

          FYP


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2013, 08:53:32 PM
          Miranda
          Kinda suits though as Miranda Kerr is on the Top 5 list  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2013, 08:55:40 PM
          WP on binking the seats. Good work on the pics too.

          Obviously its time for the run good to happen, but do you mind holding off as I'm now in seat 7 on your table!
          Haha Thanks Jonny I have only just seen this.

          Out of interest what did you have the hand where I 3b your EP open and you CR the flop on K23rb?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2013, 09:20:58 PM
          Had a pretty decent weekend all in all even though we didnt win the deepstack   (will do a TR for investors after the weekend)  which started with picking up Vinny and heading up north and after we had dropped off his GF at school work it was a quick journey as he constantly rubbed me down over losing £28k  :(

          We arrived in plenty of time to place £7 on 3 horses in the national which is one day in the calendar that I dislike as most of my real life friends and family know i like a punt so most of the morning is taken up replying to texts and taking the odd call on what they should be backing, if only they knew I cannot pick my nose at the moment!!

          Headed straight over to Vinny's second home Nando's and snap got a table for us, Scotty77, Leatherman and the late arriving JB (<3 JB) and ordered my standard Medium Livers with 2 sides of Chips and a salad along with a beer (ask for the glass but dont pour the beer in and you have a free soft drink as well) and being as Vin had already lost the CCR it would be rude not to get some pre-match olives as well.

          Ran pretty bad in the table draw as had Boshi (that was the good part  ;) ) Ben Vinson, John Black and eventually Nick Hicks and after chipping up against the guy who was destined to spew to someone I got rivered twice by Ben being taken to the town of Value on both occasions  :( which then left me short in the middle levels eventually shipping the river with AK on A87 2Q losing to a set of 8's should really fold the turn as I went against my read on a guy.

          Not that many people will remember but at the Blonde Bash last year there were some golden chips with the last 5 chips getting the opportunity to play either Simon or Rob Yong heads up for £1000 in DTD tourney credits and till this time I have not been able to hook up with Rob and he is the one you want to beat heads up so we sat down on the feature table and played with SS of 10k on a 15min clock and as we had not played despite arranging it a couple of times he very kindly said that if I best him he would enter me for the Monte Carlo (obv was playing anyway as sold %'s already but extra £100 wiiii)

          To be honest any monkey who could have held/looked at the cards and was able to flick in the chips with gay abandon would have won as we had the best hand sooooo much which apparently is quite a good thing HU and opening the first button with A9hh and flopping 2 hearts with Rob calling the cbet followed by  chk chk when the heart came I was sure he leads the river which he did for 1500 and a small CR and he folded but we were ahead in the game.

          We won the next big hand and were 16k vs 4k in about 5mins and then after raising the btn he 3b and we shipped A2o as one of our shots to win but he held AQ and held and we were back to 12k/8k but won the next pot when he told me after 3b'ing my btn again that he would barrel 3 streets and we held A5cc and flopped 753 so we peeled one, turned an "A" and he true to his word barrelled again and we flatted before he bet the river small on a blank and we raised and he dwell called with second pair and he was back to 4k.

          Running well 2 hands later I open 9/10o from the btn and flop  Qc Jc 8s  (yh I know) and he CR me leaving 2k so I set him in and he turns over K3cc and the dealer starts to stack the chips and send them my way before we both tell him to finish the run out as obv he is never folding but we run good turning  Jd Ahrt to hold and win the seat  ;)

          Just after I won Vinny got knocked out so we made a second visit of the day to Nando's before heading home.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 07, 2013, 09:27:42 PM
          Getting back in at 1.30 and Maxwell awake at 7 meant we had the standard 5 1/2 hours and it was decided by Petra and her folks who are still here that we would go to church so having got everyone ready we walked up the road to the Catholic church as all Petra's family are Catholic and whilst I am Church of England we always agreed to bring up the children under the Catholic faith which also enabled us to get married in Slovakia at Petra's local church or Kostal as they say over there.

          The service was nice and Maxwell was brilliant with not a peep and it is a real family orientated church and area, whilst in Church it gives me a massive amount of time to reflect and whilst I am not a deeply religious person there is something very calming about being in church.

          The rest of the day was spent watching Southend get stuffed at Wembley, 80 mins of the QPR match (run bad missing the goals) and the Leeds Rhinos beat Warrington and am now gonna watch the final of the deepstack on the stream and hope it is me sat there playing in 2 weeks time for the MC....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 09, 2013, 10:19:53 AM
          Shipped a £110 voucher last night for the 50 seat mega's and all I can say is late reg FTW as I played 3 hands total..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on April 09, 2013, 10:59:34 AM

          Ran pretty good in the table draw as had John Black

          fyp :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 09, 2013, 11:07:18 AM

          Ran pretty good in the table draw as had John Black

          fyp :)
          Lolz tbf to him he didnt JB at all until his exit ofc  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on April 09, 2013, 06:45:06 PM
          53rd spot for me, cant play anyway as last game of the season, flicked it in for fun


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: VBlue on April 10, 2013, 11:54:17 AM
          Getting back in at 1.30 and Maxwell awake at 7 meant we had the standard 5 1/2 hours

          Feel your pain.  I did 4 hours this morning - it was a belayed tribute to Thatcher.  Fresh on and raring to go at 6:45pm though.  Strange.  Maybe I could run the Country?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: VBlue on April 10, 2013, 11:54:51 AM
          It was 5.5 hours but artistic license required to fit the line.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 13, 2013, 01:21:28 AM
          pregame plans tomorrow if your in the sat? Will pm my mob, in for the blonde nandos dinner!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 13, 2013, 10:10:46 AM
          pregame plans tomorrow if your in the sat? Will pm my mob, in for the blonde nandos dinner!
          Replied bud but depsite winning 2 tokens it is online for me this weekend.

          GLGL see you next week.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on April 13, 2013, 10:59:24 AM
          pregame plans tomorrow if your in the sat? Will pm my mob, in for the blonde nandos dinner!
          Replied bud but depsite winning 2 tokens it is online for me this weekend.

          GLGL see you next week.

          Online's the way pal, GL us.  :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 13, 2013, 02:11:45 PM
          Getting back in at 1.30 and Maxwell awake at 7 meant we had the standard 5 1/2 hours

          Feel your pain.  I did 4 hours this morning - it was a belayed tribute to Thatcher.  Fresh on and raring to go at 6:45pm though.  Strange.  Maybe I could run the Country?

          Well you run good so maybe you could apply  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 13, 2013, 02:19:37 PM
          Well the Slovak outlaws have gone home now so it's just been the four of us which means despite having 2 kids at 2 and under the house has been pretty quiet as the Slovak's are pretty loud and as their language is pretty harsh it can come across as agressive even in a normal conversation.

          Ran good this week by shipping 2 tokens for the MC Satty's and would have played live as think there will be less runners but dont want to use up all my "visiting passes" so the satty online will do, also had a bet in midweek having studied the bookings index and ref in the Juve v Bayern match betting 5/4 under 45pts so was peturbed to see 2 cards in 14 mins with Dubai telling me the Spreads were then 72-75 but held with no further bookings to book a small win.

          Didnt have a bet on the masters but backed both Rosberg and Hamilton to pole both at 5/1 yesterday long with Massa podium finish so will be a small loser on F1 this weekend if Massa is not in the top 3. 

          Really looking forward to next weekend and the MC now and hope to first of all run ok in the table draw before a hopefull deep run but we shall see...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jonnyk on April 23, 2013, 09:33:51 AM
          WP on binking the seats. Good work on the pics too.

          Obviously its time for the run good to happen, but do you mind holding off as I'm now in seat 7 on your table!
          Haha Thanks Jonny I have only just seen this.

          Out of interest what did you have the hand where I 3b your EP open and you CR the flop on K23rb?

          If I remember correctly, I may well have had a middle pair, I think it was 10's. I've been meaning to get on here for a while, I thought you'd be interested! What did you have? I had a read feeling that you may have had a pair yourself Jack's, maybe 9's, and weren't enjoying the King high board.

          Did you see my hand with Vinson?

          And everytime I see you, you're playing or deep in conversation, a proper introduction is still necessary! Especially as I'm now in the market for a first house...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2013, 02:24:16 PM
          WP on binking the seats. Good work on the pics too.

          Obviously its time for the run good to happen, but do you mind holding off as I'm now in seat 7 on your table!
          Haha Thanks Jonny I have only just seen this.

          Out of interest what did you have the hand where I 3b your EP open and you CR the flop on K23rb?

          If I remember correctly, I may well have had a middle pair, I think it was 10's. I've been meaning to get on here for a while, I thought you'd be interested! What did you have? I had a read feeling that you may have had a pair yourself Jack's, maybe 9's, and weren't enjoying the King high board.

          Did you see my hand with Vinson?

          And everytime I see you, you're playing or deep in conversation, a proper introduction is still necessary! Especially as I'm now in the market for a first house...
          Yeah no probs will prob be up May for mini-deepstack so can have a chat then or pm me if you want with any Q's and I will reply.

          Had 9's that hand and a pretty bad PTS ratio for anything other than folding plus not that I found them but there were easier spots at the table  :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: scotty77 on April 23, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
          Great work on the stream sir. Enjoyed it


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2013, 03:12:19 PM
          Great work on the stream sir. Enjoyed it
          Thanks Scotty it's the first time I have ever done anything like that but really enjoyed it and like your goodself having a % of Trigg it made for much more interesting viewing than just railing him from the side.

          I just tried to keep it simple for the Recdonkfishes like me who would be listening  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 23, 2013, 03:47:35 PM
          Great work on the stream sir. Enjoyed it
          Thanks Scotty it's the first time I have ever done anything like that but really enjoyed it and like your goodself having a % of Trigg it made for much more interesting viewing than just railing him from the side.

          I just tried to keep it simple for the Recdonkfishes like me who would be listening  ;)

          That would be me then. You did a sterling job Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
          Not really updated here since the MC weekend but it's all good tbh

          Cliffs for those that ownt read the TL;DR version

          Had a good % of Trigg which with a Trigg Bonus meant that my returns are my second highest Herbertmob entry  ;)

          Run really good on sports from bowl stakes upto a couple of Stevie's

          Binked 1 Day 1 ISPT Seat from E100 and trying to get 2 more

          Had a Vendor sadly pass away whilst I'm holding £20k for him...

          A 3rd consecutive record month at work in terms of turnover


          Details of the above will all feature over the next few entries!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 12:22:20 PM
          MC Weekend

          My own MC weekend experience was pretty Meh tbh as having travelled up all excited and staying up for the full 3days the ME passed me by as I had a table with Albert Sappiano on it that changes the whole dynamic of the game and meant we needed to flop well to build a stack and by the time he got knocked out I had bled 1/2 my stack away once in a cooler vs Albert where I turned trips and him a house on a really good runout for me and this then meant that as antes had kicked in all the 3/4 betting kicked off with me having to nit up and eventually got my 25bb's in with JJ in a completely Ghey way vs AA.

          However I got to meet Big_D which was the highlight of my Day1

          I had taken a view on the F1 Grand Prix over the early practice and am sure Dubai would confirm I run pretty dece on F1 value spotting and having built up a small roll from small ball punting ( I am allowed to do this btw ) I decided that Kimi Raikonen to finish on the Podium was the bet of the weekend and backed him for £700 to £400 prior to Qualifying to see him finish 8th on the starting grid and the bookies pushed him out to 11/8 so being as I thought 4/7 was a good price I pushed again and availed myself with another £325 @ 11/8
          TBC

          Day 2 MC

          Started with me visiting my Dad's resting place at Bretby Crematorium and placing some flowers where we scattered his ashes on his birthday 20th April (as a family we have my brothers Birthday 19th April, dad's 20th and mine 21st April so Trigg was always gonna give me a birthday bink!) and I find it really cathartic to spend 30-45 mins there in peace just watching the world go by. We scattered him in the same place as Grandma in a really nice spot (will upload a phot) so he is not alone there.

          I played the MPP £300 and bust after 1hour with set under set vs Paul Grummit where EP opens  MP 3's and I find JJ otb and flat with Paul cold 4'ing from the BB and both other villains get out the way so I flat again and we see 36KSS he leads small so just peel one and turn a red Jack where we get the remaining 60% of our stack in and head back out into Nottingham for the evening :(

          Catch up with the updates to see that I have a min cash from Tom Ambler 5% and still have 5% in Outrageous and 10% of Trigg in the last 30odd of the main so as am playing in the Chairty event am sure to have a good rail of the boys and hopefully a decent bink to go home with.  The Charity event was a pretty fast structure and I suppose I was unlucky in that the BB wakes up with a hand after I 3b Jam allin over a raise and a flat with 20bbs and Jqhh and the BB wakes up with Dem Aceswhich leaves me watching Raikonen stop one time less in the pits that the rest and coast to a 2nd place on the Podium leaving me just to rail Trigg although I got to do abit of commentary with Tighty, Alex and Lil D which was fun.

          Obv a massive thank you to Trigg who won me a chunk that Petra obviously took care of and will most likely spend more wisely than I would have.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
          Sports Betting

          Turned a £20 into a few hundo and then into a monkey from 3-4 winners prior to Raikonen bet and then in the aftermath of that managed to have Chelsea +1 goal £300 @ 7/10 plus £85 on Suarez anytime goalscorer 6/5 followed by some correct score losers on 3-1 5-1 in the ManUtd v Villa match along with backing Claypoles horse and Redarmi's tip where I put a few quid on for him and put £25ew on for myself as well.

          Then the winners rained in again with a rare Barry Neville winner on the Sky dogs with £101.64 (random amounts ftw) at 13/8 returned 4/5 an each way loser on the horses from a judge and then a really good result on the semi final between Dortmund and Real when I backed BTTS and either team to win at 7/2 each of 2 and returned a profit of £120 on £100 staked plus £66.81 on over 4.5 total match goals at 4/1 for a sweet night.

          Lost on the darts with £150 going back to BillyHills on some correct score punts with Taylor missing one dart to land one which would have shown a good profit but had already scooped in the Over Cards Market with a certain Ref I follow and had tipped upto Shallow who rarely books in the first half but gets his cards out in the second half and waded in with £300 @ 21/20 over over 45 pts in the Basle v Chelsea match with no cards till 70 minutes and 6 in the last 20mins we were weighed in ( Maybe I should play the Spread markets?)  then on Friday backed Queensbury Rules at Sandown at early morning odds and was rewarded before a Barry Neville loser which I would not have backed if Queensbury had not won :( and then landed an Under 2.5 goals bet on Ross County in the evening (see below) plus backed Thousand Stars and Rebel Fitz in the betting without the fav market for a small win on the race which took us into last Saturday.

          Saturday I really fancied West Brom but would have won a chunk if Southampton were winning or drawing at Half time with West Brom winning at Full time but fired a very good cover shot on West Brom just winning at 5.3 and an over 2.5 treble for £50 on Wigan,Newcastle and Southampton but I had texted Dubai 2 bets to put on for me which were Wigan to score Over 0.5 second half goals £165 @ 10/11 and Liverpool to score over 1.5 second half goals £85 @ 15/4 and these bolstered my Dubai roll quite nicely.

          Just the one bet Sunday which was a stake returned having backed Man Utd DNB and 2 bets Monday with £220 on over 2.5 goals Villa v Sunderland and £90 on the over 6's in the IPL that someone put up in TFT to before what feels like my first loser in a few days when we backed Dortmund plus 4 corners vs Madrid last night for £240 but despite winning at 83mins the timing of the goal killed this as Dortmund then stopped attacking so it was Geeeeeeeeeg.

          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          I have now decided with my sports betting that when I get to a certain figure I am giving a chunk to Petra and then small ball again trying to build up as for me it would feel too Normal (not that this is a bad thing) to not have the ability to have a bet and try to build up some ££ plus although the amounts mentioned in here may be extreme to some when you do get on a roll and confidence is running through the veins you tend to take a more agressive stance on stuff and my problem is if I have access to big big chunks of money then I'm more likely to chase but this avenue is no longer available to me so I small ball rather than go "cold Turkey" and give up completely and then press when ahead, plus it's not like I'm just rofling around picking random stuff to punt on a lot of time, thought and study goes into what I am going to back.

          I have also taken the stance that in events where there is something I DONT want to happen I shall not be watching the event Eg   If I back under cards/goals  then there is nothing worse watching hoping there is nothing going to happen and I cannot change the result so why put myself through the pain and sweat when I can just check the result later.

          There is nothing worse than backing 0-0 or for the pro's No Goalscorer in say the Sunderland vs Fulham match and after 10mins there are no goals and life is good, 20 mins in and Steven Fletcher is through one on one  vs Schwarzer and life is still obv good, Steven Fletcher Scores oh FFS so not watching Sport is now a thing of the future for me!!!



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
          At work we have just done our 3rd consecutive month of over £50'000 in nett written business and means that YTD we are currently 140% up on the first 4 months of 2013 vs 2012 and on target if we maintain this to turnover 150% of our 2012 figure which was inturn 130% up on the year before me and the team got here.  Recession what Recession!

          It does mean though that I can't update as much as I would like though as we are so busy so am not able to grind Blonde at work like before and can just catchup at diff points in the day  ;)

          I mentioned in the cliffs that a vendor had passed away and I will do a longer post on this later on tonight as it's quite an interesting story...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on May 01, 2013, 01:58:41 PM
          Glad to see you're crushing mate and hope the all around life heater continues  :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2013, 02:40:01 PM
          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          Just checked oddschecker and really surprised at Barcas price, was thinking meh will fade it as I never win betting on football, then read this...

          GL us :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 02:58:56 PM
          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          Just checked oddschecker and really surprised at Barcas price, was thinking meh will fade it as I never win betting on football, then read this...

          GL us :)
          Oioi if a shrewdie like you is on Monda it must be printing it

          Glad to see you're crushing mate and hope the all around life heater continues  :)up
          Cheers Marky, will you be at Sheffield for the LVTC live final?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on May 01, 2013, 04:23:35 PM
          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          Just checked oddschecker and really surprised at Barcas price, was thinking meh will fade it as I never win betting on football, then read this...

          GL us :)
          Oioi if a shrewdie like you is on Monda it must be printing it

          Glad to see you're crushing mate and hope the all around life heater continues  :)up
          Cheers Marky, will you be at Sheffield for the LVTC live final?

          I won't be mate no, but I will see you in Vegas when you win a package!

          I love the live parts of those team events, but I can't handle being tied downto play a bunch of in the build up. I would quite happily pay to buy average stack and then just turn up for the live leg :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          Just checked oddschecker and really surprised at Barcas price, was thinking meh will fade it as I never win betting on football, then read this...

          GL us :)
          Oioi if a shrewdie like you is on Monda it must be printing it

          Glad to see you're crushing mate and hope the all around life heater continues  :)up
          Cheers Marky, will you be at Sheffield for the LVTC live final?

          I won't be mate no, but I will see you in Vegas when you win a package!

          I love the live parts of those team events, but I can't handle being tied downto play a bunch of in the build up. I would quite happily pay to buy average stack and then just turn up for the live leg :D
          Just do what everyone else does except my team and get one person to play all 4 accs, my team cannot even play the build up events :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on May 01, 2013, 04:39:59 PM
          Tonight I am on Barcelona as there are not many times you can back them at a shade of odds on at home so will be massively funking for them to play well.

          Just checked oddschecker and really surprised at Barcas price, was thinking meh will fade it as I never win betting on football, then read this...

          GL us :)
          Oioi if a shrewdie like you is on Monda it must be printing it

          Glad to see you're crushing mate and hope the all around life heater continues  :)up
          Cheers Marky, will you be at Sheffield for the LVTC live final?

          I won't be mate no, but I will see you in Vegas when you win a package!

          I love the live parts of those team events, but I can't handle being tied downto play a bunch of in the build up. I would quite happily pay to buy average stack and then just turn up for the live leg :D
          Just do what everyone else does except my team and get one person to play all 4 accs, my team cannot even play the build up events :(

          Haha, that is an option.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 01, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
          Rich, I'm five minutes from Bretby - you could have popped in.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
          Rich, I'm five minutes from Bretby - you could have popped in.
          I shall remember that next time I'm up at DTD mate and dont make a day2  :)

          Pm sent mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 01, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
          Rich, I'm five minutes from Bretby - you could have popped in.
          I shall remember that next time I'm up at DTD mate and dont make a day2  :)

          Pm sent mate

          :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 01, 2013, 05:15:14 PM
          GIQ FFS, shit diary and a despicable human being.




          p.s Any ideas for our team logo and will you be the father of my second child?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 05:26:32 PM
          GIQ FFS, shit diary and a despicable human being.




          p.s Any ideas for our team logo and will you be the father of my second child?
          It might as well be a big picture of me and my big shoulders being as I have single handedly carried this team to the piss poor result we have so far

          Yes is the answer to the second Q and whilst in Sheffield I can stop off in Lincoln on the way back down if you like?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 01, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
          GIQ FFS, shit diary and a despicable human being.




          p.s Any ideas for our team logo and will you be the father of my second child?
          It might as well be a big picture of me and my big shoulders being as I have single handedly carried this team to the piss poor result we have so far

          Yes is the answer to the second Q and whilst in Sheffield I can stop off in Lincoln on the way back down if you like?

          Booked and I will need to dust off the photoshop to make you look like you have big shoulders.
           

          (http://www.tailgate365.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pee-wee-herman.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 01, 2013, 06:07:03 PM
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPcqIcimBw


          Our mini Wedding DVD.
          On Thursday next week I will have been married to Petra for 4 years and for those that have not followed this from the start and the first 40 pages when it was a pretty decent read here is our mini wedding DVD

          Obv for the 4th wedding anniversary you do fruit/flowers so anyone creative got any ideas?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on May 01, 2013, 08:23:25 PM

          However I got to meet Big_D which was the highlight of my Day1



          Ha! Don't bust so early next time so that you can at least buy me a pint mate ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on May 01, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
          http://www.gardensharrogate.co.uk/

          Trip to God's County sure LilDave can recommend a nice hotel/resturants. Might not be your thing though. The spring flower show was last week (doh!) A gift involving fruit is ridiculous.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 02, 2013, 05:58:09 AM
          Not if it's a trip somewhere to serve up the aforementioned fruit? I guess the kids stop the two of you going away somewhere for a long, romantic weekend?

          If it's going to be fruit related, take her to Bury.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 02, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
          No need to worry, LVTC team logo is in hand fella.


          (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/IncrediblesLogo_zps7a2372f0.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on May 02, 2013, 02:35:59 PM
          No need to worry, LVTC team logo is in hand fella.


          (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/IncrediblesLogo_zps7a2372f0.jpg)

          Abs incred, hahaha.

          Guy pic is quality.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 02, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
          That's excellent.  Doesn't even look photoshopped!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on May 02, 2013, 03:02:39 PM
          Great job by the captain, and as much as I appreciate the efforts to capture me at the table, eso with hair wins


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 02, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
          No need to worry, LVTC team logo is in hand fella.


          (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/IncrediblesLogo_zps7a2372f0.jpg)
          Could have at least put me in a Superman outfit with that barnet!

          Oh and WP..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 02, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
          Oh, I thought Rich was the one on the right...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 03, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
          GIQ FFS, shit diary and a despicable human being.




          p.s Any ideas for our team logo and will you be the father of my second child?
          It might as well be a big picture of me and my big shoulders being as I have single handedly carried this team to the piss poor result we have so far

          Yes is the answer to the second Q and whilst in Sheffield I can stop off in Lincoln on the way back down if you like?

          Obv bocked myself in the MVP challenge we have as a team with the Ginger Ninja overtaking me due to a solid 5th place last night and one hand on the £150 team side pot.

          Barcelona lost so lost a bit of ground on the betting front although I have a sweat on as posted in TFT a few days ago where after a recc from Camel I had £260odd on R.Walden to win the Snooker and as couldnt get on each way had to load up the win only at average odds of 17.5 so my book currently reads   -£260.91 or plus £4606.84 however I have had a saver on Hawkins beating him in the semi for most of stake back and will have to see what odds are available in the final before deciding what to do next if we get there.

          Last night was pretty dece online as Petra had all the girls round so I was banished to the dining room and played LVTC finished 30th after a minispew, 3euro feeder to ISPT sat and shipped another 33e seat, late regged the £10 sat to the £150 rebought and added on and shipped a seat for that and then regged the online leg at 150/300 with the clock supposed to be 12mins running at 16mins and only 50 regged it looked like there would be only a handfull through but DTD being the stars they are changed it all round and we only played 12 levels not the 15 advertised with the live players going to be doing the same today/tomoz.

          Had chipped down to 25k before getting back to 28750 when the followiing hand occurs  MP opens to 750 @ 150/300, btn flats, sb flats, we have QQ in the big and 3b to 3650 and all call  flop is 235rb and we lead for 4250 and MP folds, Btn jams, SB folds, we call off and hold vs J8dd with no diamond on flop to get to 60k.

          I didnt really get too many hands and just played some spots to chip up including a sexy cold4 from the SB vs 2 active players with 56o but then got spot dead in the remaining 2 levels of the night to chip down to 82600 going back Sunday at 12/2400.

          It works pretty well as am going to be in the midlands visiting my brother this weekend so will tie in  quite nicely although I had forgot we were going to see him and had doubled booked myself and am having to miss out on Trig and Kev's Monte Bink party which they were boxing everyone off with the help of  Kev's backer for a day at the Newmarket races for the Guinea's Sunday.

          Now where's my lucky day 2 pants...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 03, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 03, 2013, 01:42:10 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on May 03, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"

          lol that was u...Gav kan was the ifosi and giving it the chip dumping spiel ha ha ha...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"

          lol that was u...Gav kan was the ifosi and giving it the chip dumping spiel ha ha ha...
          Loool wat a fish he was the OR as well!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on May 03, 2013, 03:27:07 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"

          lol that was u...Gav kan was the ifosi and giving it the chip dumping spiel ha ha ha...
          Loool wat a fish he was the OR as well!!

          Gav the hat wasnt gavin he was the player  'ifosi'  we were both yelling chip dump and u giving it 'loads of people know me and it isnt true ' speech lolololol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 03, 2013, 03:37:08 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"

          lol that was u...Gav kan was the ifosi and giving it the chip dumping spiel ha ha ha...
          Loool wat a fish he was the OR as well!!

          Gav the hat wasnt gavin he was the player  'ifosi'  we were both yelling chip dump and u giving it 'loads of people know me and it isnt true ' speech lolololol

          ;) I think you will find it was more of  "Do you know who I am..."

          then Vinny text's me and say's that Gav is playing and I'm like well if his name is GavtheHat then he just dumped his chips to me  :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on May 03, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
          Where in the Midlands?

          Do you know who it was who had  Jd 8d?

          He lives in Spondon, Derbyshire with his burd.

          J8dd nah think the SN was GavtheHat and everyone was like "wow Chip dumping there"

          lol that was u...Gav kan was the ifosi and giving it the chip dumping spiel ha ha ha...
          Loool wat a fish he was the OR as well!!

          Gav the hat wasnt gavin he was the player  'ifosi'  we were both yelling chip dump and u giving it 'loads of people know me and it isnt true ' speech lolololol

          ;) I think you will find it was more of  "Do you know who I am..."

          then Vinny text's me and say's that Gav is playing and I'm like well if his name is GavtheHat then he just dumped his chips to me  :)

          lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on May 03, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
          great updates as ever

          good luck in the tourney eso


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 03, 2013, 04:02:16 PM
          great updates as ever

          good luck in the tourney eso
          Cheers Horsey

          Hope all is good with you as well!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BulldozerD on May 03, 2013, 04:04:59 PM
          lol i was sat on your left when the J8 hand occurred. Firstly i was thinking you chose a decent spot to squeeze, then obviously chose a decent spot to induce the zero-equity bluff. I was like WTF when he rolled over  Jd 8d.

          You also got me to fold top pair in a hand earlier on, i don't like folding pairs. Good luck for day 2.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 04, 2013, 04:33:04 PM
          lol i was sat on your left when the J8 hand occurred. Firstly i was thinking you chose a decent spot to squeeze, then obviously chose a decent spot to induce the zero-equity bluff. I was like WTF when he rolled over  Jd 8d.

          You also got me to fold top pair in a hand earlier on, i don't like folding pairs. Good luck for day 2.
          I think I had it in the hand with you and TP as I always have it  ;)

          Nice comeback I worked out who you were when you said you cameback from 8k and I think I was ur first double up AQ v AK?

          GL to your goodself as well.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BulldozerD on May 04, 2013, 06:02:01 PM
          Yeah I had the ak v AQ. I folded QJ on the Q62 board, just felt I was being taken to valuetown


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 06, 2013, 10:29:43 AM
          Weekend Cliffs

          Bust the £150 in 65th having ground 15bigs for a while lost A9 v AJ Btn v CO for my last 9bbs at bb5000

          Won a lil bit on sport but should have won more unfortunately Dubai's phone was not on :(

          Paid for the Petrol by grinding the Super50 and making a FT 9th for £270 and saw an amazing case of ICM suicide albeit at a low stake where on the pure bubble and the shortie on another table with 5 antes left a guy on our table open ships 18bbs and currently 5/15 from the Btn and is called by the second chip leader and 35bbs to pure bubble  :dontask:

          Binked a seat for GPS Stoke in September in the DTD Charity Raffle

          Working on Bank Holiday sucks watching everyone roll down to the sea front but finish in 3 hours so will be off with family then.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on May 06, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
          Well done in the raffle, found your level :D

          Is there a list of who won what in the raffle?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 06, 2013, 11:08:48 AM
          Well done in the raffle, found your level :D

          Is there a list of who won what in the raffle?
          ;) about halfway down the page mate.

          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61001.165 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61001.165)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on May 06, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
          Can I reserve 2% of your next raffle ticket action?  :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on May 06, 2013, 05:53:36 PM
          Can I reserve 2% of your next raffle ticket action?  :)

          Watch the mark up though!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 07, 2013, 02:53:57 PM
          Can I reserve 2% of your next raffle ticket action?  :)

          Watch the mark up though!

          and can anyone vouch for him? The Chinese maybe?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 14, 2013, 04:55:33 PM
          ICE CREAM ON A HEATER
          Ok not been able to update as been busy at work and then catching up on all the threads in the evening but since the mini-deepstack weekend I have been on a mini heater and have spun up a little amount through some good luck/judgement and the crazy thing is that if I was still punting around in decent figures I would have wiped out the back end of 2012 losses and some.

          I have kept the losers small and the winners all had decent amounts on and having checked back through my history on my accounts this is the past week or so in winners and loser

          Losers
          £30 in combos of Ronnie to win the snooker 18-4, 5, 8, 10

          £22.50 on Liverpool v Everton to finish 2-2 plus some darts thrown at correct score doubles with this and Man U v Chelsea

          £43 total on Gardner or Johnson to score first in Sunderland  v Stoke match (shouldve backed first sending off obv)

          £15 each on Stoke to win 3-0, 4-0 in play after the sending off

          £40 Aero Rebel on Sky Dogs

          £35 EW Clockmaker at early prices for Chester

          £34 1-1 correct score in C.Palace v Brighton first leg (see winners)

          £15 EW Horse from Marky147

          £27 EW Horse from Horseplayer

          £15 each on Brighton to win 1-0, 2-0 last night

          And now the winners

          £100 Fig Roll @ 6/4 BOG which returned 2/1 although it was a shame as I asked Dubai for £240 on it but he was away :(

          £96 Napoli -1 Goal @ Evs

          £40 Ronnie to win 18-12 @ 3/1 in play when it looked like my other arrers were dead and buried

          £100 Danadanna 6/5 in place market

          £200 Watford to qualify for final prior to first leg 11/10

          £50 Horse At a clip 5/4

          £15.50 No Goalscorer 13/2 Brighton v Palace and then a further £13 @ 8/1 on 0-0 as couldnt bear not to have a bit on the bigger price

          £180 Secret Gesture 5/6 BOG  returned Evs

          £50 @ 3.05 on BF over 4.5 cards in cup final

          £210 K.Raikonen Podium finish at Spanish GP after qualifying @ 4/7

          £246 on BF K.Raikonen 1.62 to be on pdium at Spanish GP

          £73.25 Over 2.5 goals Fulham v Liverpool 7/10

          So having won a bit I have decided...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on May 14, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
          To quit punting and set up a retreat for ageing poker player?

          Btw I am back - dinner pre Vegas with calenti would be good :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on May 14, 2013, 05:04:20 PM
          I thought we were going to get a sweat on that horse when the price collapsed before the off, but it just looked really flat :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 14, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
          To quit punting and set up a retreat for ageing poker player?

          Btw I am back - dinner pre Vegas with calenti would be good :)
          Defo in for that and obv we can CCR Vinny's part of the bill

          I thought we were going to get a sweat on that horse when the price collapsed before the off, but it just looked really flat :(
          Didnt see the race bud just backed it blindly as soon as you texted


          Well I am going to play ISPT one way or another and last night I pm'd people who have backed me in different events this year and whilst I wont go into full details of the arrangement or my MU for the event the ISPT team is as follows

          Dubai 10%
          Tikay 10%
          Big_D 5%
          Outragous 5%
          Evil 5%
          Anon 5%

          Due to the big buyin (for me anyways) and the poss £500 min cash payment I told backers to show my comittment I was going to keep a healthy amount for myself as opposed to selling more and reducing my risk.

          So GL team and lets hope we get in through the cheaper route for everyone over the next week or so..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on May 14, 2013, 05:42:19 PM
          We got on at 8/1 and it went off 9/2, so there was obv a lot of dough about for it, unfortunately the villains got to keep it...

          Good luck in ISPT and also with swerving paying for Vin's dinner  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 14, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
          Work and Home

          This is my toughest month of the year so far with deals falling through but office morale is still good and we still have 2 months to get a respectable amount on the books plus there is talk of promotion with me starting to take a more regional approach over the 3 offices whilst still running this office in Southend.

          <  Still need to inset story of vendor who has recently passed away >

          Home Life

          Ivy has settled into a really good routine and that is all down to Petra although I take the pressure off with Max in the mornings and when I get in and will post some photos up later on if I can and whilst I'm still under the spotlight on the punting front I have defo earned some brownie points with the "Trigg" bink and returning with some ££ from my weekend in Nottingham last week.  I'm obv still very blessed in the family department and consider myself vv lucky to have them all!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 15, 2013, 12:04:23 PM
          hey rich
          was good to see you on saturday and play (take some chips off you ;) lol ) on same table. 173 runners was below what everyone expected im sure, did you grab another token on sunday? im kinda lost now cos i cant play any satellites :( boo hoo.
          are you plans to play the live sats or online?
          im playing 2a saturday at wembley.
          i have no idea how its guna look like on wembley stadium, does anyone have any info on design and stuff.

          Glad to hear ur family is well rich, like others have said, very arty photos! :) i like them, a family is a blessing your right. it must be tough juggling work,family and your hobbies. im lucky in a sense that im only juggling 2 balls at the mo with work and poker, so its just me me me lol, i'll enjoy it while it lasts i think


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on May 15, 2013, 12:14:54 PM
          hey rich
          was good to see you on saturday and play (take some chips off you ;) lol ) on same table. 173 runners was below what everyone expected im sure, did you grab another token on sunday? im kinda lost now cos i cant play any satellites :( boo hoo.
          are you plans to play the live sats or online?
          im playing 2a saturday at wembley.
          i have no idea how its guna look like on wembley stadium, does anyone have any info on design and stuff.

          Glad to hear ur family is well rich, like others have said, very arty photos! :) i like them, a family is a blessing your right. it must be tough juggling work,family and your hobbies. im lucky in a sense that im only juggling 2 balls at the mo with work and poker, so its just me me me lol, i'll enjoy it while it lasts i think

          day 2 a is Friday? Don't turn up 1 day too late and get blinded out :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 15, 2013, 01:04:49 PM
          hey rich
          was good to see you on saturday and play (take some chips off you ;) lol ) on same table. 173 runners was below what everyone expected im sure, did you grab another token on sunday? im kinda lost now cos i cant play any satellites :( boo hoo.
          are you plans to play the live sats or online?
          im playing 2a saturday at wembley.
          i have no idea how its guna look like on wembley stadium, does anyone have any info on design and stuff.

          Glad to hear ur family is well rich, like others have said, very arty photos! :) i like them, a family is a blessing your right. it must be tough juggling work,family and your hobbies. im lucky in a sense that im only juggling 2 balls at the mo with work and poker, so its just me me me lol, i'll enjoy it while it lasts i think

          day 2 a is Friday? Don't turn up 1 day too late and get blinded out :)

          haha :) well spotted simon.
          i mean day2b.... i think lol, the saturday. i cant play the friday due to work :(
          hows your position on this simon? are u playing ispt regardless?, are you building up tokens. i know someone whos got a basket full of them :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
          hey rich
          was good to see you on saturday and play (take some chips off you ;) lol ) on same table. 173 runners was below what everyone expected im sure, did you grab another token on sunday? im kinda lost now cos i cant play any satellites :( boo hoo.
          are you plans to play the live sats or online?
          im playing 2a saturday at wembley.
          i have no idea how its guna look like on wembley stadium, does anyone have any info on design and stuff.

          Glad to hear ur family is well rich, like others have said, very arty photos! :) i like them, a family is a blessing your right. it must be tough juggling work,family and your hobbies. im lucky in a sense that im only juggling 2 balls at the mo with work and poker, so its just me me me lol, i'll enjoy it while it lasts i think
          Hey Ross

          Yeah managed to get another Sunday and am now flicking in 9euros for the 25seat gtee satty's with the late reg, rebuy straight away then addon and literally if I put a chip in the pot the rest are going in attitude and have been successfull that way and then will use them for the 33euro satties to try and get a few Day 1 seats for next week.

          Please teach me how to hit rivers like you...  :P

          I think it covers most the pitch with some kind of village but have seen no designs yet.


          hey rich
          was good to see you on saturday and play (take some chips off you ;) lol ) on same table. 173 runners was below what everyone expected im sure, did you grab another token on sunday? im kinda lost now cos i cant play any satellites :( boo hoo.
          are you plans to play the live sats or online?
          im playing 2a saturday at wembley.
          i have no idea how its guna look like on wembley stadium, does anyone have any info on design and stuff.

          Glad to hear ur family is well rich, like others have said, very arty photos! :) i like them, a family is a blessing your right. it must be tough juggling work,family and your hobbies. im lucky in a sense that im only juggling 2 balls at the mo with work and poker, so its just me me me lol, i'll enjoy it while it lasts i think

          day 2 a is Friday? Don't turn up 1 day too late and get blinded out :)
          Cheers Simon, yeah thats the one 31st May ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on May 15, 2013, 01:53:04 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 15, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          Oioiiiiiiiii, cya there Si. We can come up with some punts to sweat and bump the n!t thread!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on May 15, 2013, 02:44:42 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          Oioiiiiiiiii, cya there Si. We can come up with some punts to sweat and bump the n!t thread!

          Need Trevor the typhoon there too to get morale high. Eurovision bets ftw? :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 15, 2013, 02:58:20 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          yeah simon
          i said id go saturday for a few hours to see a friend shes playing in the satellite too, so i'll see you there? i'll prob be about 3, do u know what i look like?, my beards had a trim ;) be good to meet and have a chin wag on break or i can just stand over ya table and put you off, im good at that lol. hey millidonk i dont think ive met you either so be good to say hello face to face if ur there? i'll try get some info so i can find out where ur guna be seated ive not seen ur pictures before on blonde so i will struggle :( lol



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 15, 2013, 03:07:46 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          yeah simon
          i said id go saturday for a few hours to see a friend shes playing in the satellite too, so i'll see you there? i'll prob be about 3, do u know what i look like?, my beards had a trim ;) be good to meet and have a chin wag on break or i can just stand over ya table and put you off, im good at that lol. hey millidonk i dont think ive met you either so be good to say hello face to face if ur there? i'll try get some info so i can find out where ur guna be seated ive not seen ur pictures before on blonde so i will struggle :( lol



          I'm pretty shy tbh mate. Don't like to be photographed or videoed. Keep myself to myself. I look a bit like Eso but a tiny bit smaller, no glasses and with more hair. I also have quite a distinctive scar on my face.

          (http://media.jrn.com/images/660*412/MJS_dudek29p2.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on May 15, 2013, 03:17:05 PM
          Congrats on the binks, glgl with ISPT, hopefully see you there.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2013, 04:04:41 PM
          Congrats on the binks, glgl with ISPT, hopefully see you there.
          cheers Raymondo who are the satty's going for you as i see you in a few of them?

          You got many day1 tickets yet?

          Need you to getttt there!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 15, 2013, 05:01:08 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          yeah simon
          i said id go saturday for a few hours to see a friend shes playing in the satellite too, so i'll see you there? i'll prob be about 3, do u know what i look like?, my beards had a trim ;) be good to meet and have a chin wag on break or i can just stand over ya table and put you off, im good at that lol. hey millidonk i dont think ive met you either so be good to say hello face to face if ur there? i'll try get some info so i can find out where ur guna be seated ive not seen ur pictures before on blonde so i will struggle :( lol



          I'm pretty shy tbh mate. Don't like to be photographed or videoed. Keep myself to myself. I look a bit like Eso but a tiny bit smaller, no glasses and with more hair. I also have quite a distinctive scar on my face.

          (http://media.jrn.com/images/660*412/MJS_dudek29p2.jpg)


          haha that made me smile lol,
          how longs rich been bould for?lol
          well if u look like that then i will not have a problem, we'll see ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
          A FINE LINE

          Last night showed the fine lines between winning and losing as after studying some stats and then trying to find a market to apply them it took until the 93rd minute to be winning in the Arsenal v Wigan match.  Basically Wigan had not lost by more than 3 corners in a match for 14 games and the stats in the avg corners conceded/won between the teams over a good period and against a variety of sides was not much more than 1.5 so coupled with the fact that Wigan needed to win and therefore in theory should be attacking a good amount plus the goal expectation was high for the match I tried to find a market in the handicap corners for a wager.

          20 Mins browsing Oddschecker and we find Bet365 offering Wigan +3.5 corners at Evs so a swift text to Dubai and were on!!

          At Halftime Arsenal are winning 4-0 on corners before it goes 4-1 (we winning), 5-1 (we losing), 5-2 (we winning again) and then with 15 mins to go Emmerson Boyce spoons one behind as they start to tire which was quickly followed by another and it looked like Geeeeeeeeg with the corner score now 7-2 but on 90 mins Wigan get a corner before with the very final kick of the game on 93mins they spawn another corner to finish the match 7-4 (we winning  :) ) que the text from Dubai "Ha" and a profit of £150.

          These are the kind of things that went wrong or I would have been on Arsenal late last year and beginning of this year but recently have turned full circle again.

          Today I felt a horse was over priced but actually it was priced according to it's chances and never trouble the judges but my main fancy for tonight for similar reasons to the corners bet is in the bookings points in the final tonight with hopefully there being no more than4 yellows in the match as I am on under 45 total booking points in the "Alternative Bookings Points" market with Billy Hills with hopefully Mr Bjorn Kuipers not deviating from his averages.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 15, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
          In for Day 1 on Saturday at the club, some more 33 euro tokens in reserve going to try and luckbox another day 1 before Saturday. If Im in Day 2 it will be 2b as got other stuff on on 31 May :)



          yeah simon
          i said id go saturday for a few hours to see a friend shes playing in the satellite too, so i'll see you there? i'll prob be about 3, do u know what i look like?, my beards had a trim ;) be good to meet and have a chin wag on break or i can just stand over ya table and put you off, im good at that lol. hey millidonk i dont think ive met you either so be good to say hello face to face if ur there? i'll try get some info so i can find out where ur guna be seated ive not seen ur pictures before on blonde so i will struggle :( lol



          I'm pretty shy tbh mate. Don't like to be photographed or videoed. Keep myself to myself. I look a bit like Eso but a tiny bit smaller, no glasses and with more hair. I also have quite a distinctive scar on my face.

          (http://media.jrn.com/images/660*412/MJS_dudek29p2.jpg)


          haha that made me smile lol,
          how longs rich been bould for?lol
          well if u look like that then i will not have a problem, we'll see ;)
          Dont worry Ross you wont be able to miss Milli as he will be the one in the flat cap, drinking pints of real Ale and will acknowledge you with an "Ayup Me Duck"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 16, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
          haha, think i might have met him!!lol
          we'll see, can just see me going up to every dude in there looking slightly how described ' are you milli!' lol
          i nearly squeezed some design info out of Nicola last night on facebook for the layout of how it is on the pitch.

          blimey u like having a punt rich, i gave up my bet365 gambling after picking 5 horses in back to back grand national and not getting placed with any!! :( lol not enough luck floating around me.... apart from maybe 'live rivers' ;)

          whats the craziest bet you have ever done rich?? i.e £1 return £1000+ or any luck with lucky15 or 31 etc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on May 16, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
          I saw a photo of you on an update and didn't recognise you I don't think yeahman. I am 6ft 3, 24st and will be wearing a flatcap, not too many of us about. Although I did spot a lookalike contender on the voice the other night.

          Here is me making a rare appearance without a flatcap on last week in the apprentice thread. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61027.120 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61027.120)


          and here is my twin brother making an appearance on the voice.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtjRY3M9y0Q


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 10:41:07 AM
          I saw a photo of you on an update and didn't recognise you I don't think yeahman. I am 6ft 3, 24st and will be wearing a flatcap, not too many of us about. Although I did spot a lookalike contender on the voice the other night.

          Here is me making a rare appearance without a flatcap on last week in the apprentice thread. http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61027.120 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61027.120)


          and here is my twin brother making an appearance on the voice.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtjRY3M9y0Q
          Yep confimred Milli.

          haha, think i might have met him!!lol
          we'll see, can just see me going up to every dude in there looking slightly how described ' are you milli!' lol
          i nearly squeezed some design info out of Nicola last night on facebook for the layout of how it is on the pitch.

          blimey u like having a punt rich, i gave up my bet365 gambling after picking 5 horses in back to back grand national and not getting placed with any!! :( lol not enough luck floating around me.... apart from maybe 'live rivers' ;)

          whats the craziest bet you have ever done rich?? i.e £1 return £1000+ or any luck with lucky15 or 31 etc

          As reported earlier in the diary I had an £80 acca on 5/6 match bets on the 2008/9 footie season with any returns going on MK dons to win league 2 EW which returned about 9k and paid for our honeymoon here

          http://www.zanzibar.co.uk/en/hotels/by-area/north/la-gemma-dell-est?infinity=gaw~Zanzibar%20UK~La%20Gemma~20148386707~la%20gemma%20dell%20est~e (http://www.zanzibar.co.uk/en/hotels/by-area/north/la-gemma-dell-est?infinity=gaw~Zanzibar%20UK~La%20Gemma~20148386707~la%20gemma%20dell%20est~e)

          Along with a 10day Safari before.

          Also had to run around shops getting on Chelmsford to lose their last game in one season after they had made the playoffs and the players had stuck their bonuses on them losing the last  match which they were winning 2-0 and lost 4-2 or 5-2 iirc.

          Lucky 15's never been my bag tbh just like chunky singles ftw!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 10:47:31 AM
          A FINE LINE

          Last night showed the fine lines between winning and losing as after studying some stats and then trying to find a market to apply them it took until the 93rd minute to be winning in the Arsenal v Wigan match.  Basically Wigan had not lost by more than 3 corners in a match for 14 games and the stats in the avg corners conceded/won between the teams over a good period and against a variety of sides was not much more than 1.5 so coupled with the fact that Wigan needed to win and therefore in theory should be attacking a good amount plus the goal expectation was high for the match I tried to find a market in the handicap corners for a wager.

          20 Mins browsing Oddschecker and we find Bet365 offering Wigan +3.5 corners at Evs so a swift text to Dubai and were on!!

          At Halftime Arsenal are winning 4-0 on corners before it goes 4-1 (we winning), 5-1 (we losing), 5-2 (we winning again) and then with 15 mins to go Emmerson Boyce spoons one behind as they start to tire which was quickly followed by another and it looked like Geeeeeeeeg with the corner score now 7-2 but on 90 mins Wigan get a corner before with the very final kick of the game on 93mins they spawn another corner to finish the match 7-4 (we winning  :) ) que the text from Dubai "Ha" and a profit of £150.

          These are the kind of things that went wrong or I would have been on Arsenal late last year and beginning of this year but recently have turned full circle again.

          Today I felt a horse was over priced but actually it was priced according to it's chances and never trouble the judges but my main fancy for tonight for similar reasons to the corners bet is in the bookings points in the final tonight with hopefully there being no more than4 yellows in the match as I am on under 45 total booking points in the "Alternative Bookings Points" market with Billy Hills with hopefully Mr Bjorn Kuipers not deviating from his averages.

          True to form Mr Kuipers who across 30odd games this year and averaged 2.7cards per game was consistent albeit a bit lenient at times and only booked 3 players and my £300 @ 19/20 placed via Dubai wins to give another profitable day.

          Quote of the day after I texted Dubai in the morning to ask him to get me on the bookings and then told him about the horse comes whilst I'm in a meeting and 2mins after the horse race and there's me thinking oioi he wont text me if it's lost but sadly all I got was  "Stick to Corners and Bookings"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on May 16, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
          Im hungry. Just saying.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 01:19:07 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.
          Well having read that they are having 2 live sat's in Luton then Westcliff on the 29th and 30th surely we should have at least one dinner date?

          Get Claypole involved and then neither of us need to pay!

          If only Bobalike lived closer...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on May 16, 2013, 01:19:51 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.

          There's stating the bleeding obvious and then there's Celtic.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on May 16, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.
          Well having read that they are having 2 live sat's in Luton then Westcliff on the 29th and 30th surely we should have at least one dinner date?

          Get Claypole involved and then neither of us need to pay!

          If only Bobalike lived closer...

          What day? I may even make the trip?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.
          Well having read that they are having 2 live sat's in Luton then Westcliff on the 29th and 30th surely we should have at least one dinner date?

          Get Claypole involved and then neither of us need to pay!

          If only Bobalike lived closer...

          What day? I may even make the trip?
          Luton Satty £50Rebuy + 2 Steak dinners  (3seats Gtd and not just for dinner)  is 29th,   Westcliff Satty £50 Rebuy + 2 Fish dinners is the night after  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on May 16, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
          Congrats on the binks, glgl with ISPT, hopefully see you there.
          cheers Raymondo who are the satty's going for you as i see you in a few of them?

          You got many day1 tickets yet?

          Need you to getttt there!

          Sats were pretty meh, not including the freeroll I probs made a small loss in them, got 2 day 1 tickets, well one now after last Sunday, will be dev'd if I don't get there as buying in direct won't be an option, unless I win a scoop that is.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
          Congrats on the binks, glgl with ISPT, hopefully see you there.
          cheers Raymondo who are the satty's going for you as i see you in a few of them?

          You got many day1 tickets yet?

          Need you to getttt there!

          Sats were pretty meh, not including the freeroll I probs made a small loss in them, got 2 day 1 tickets, well one now after last Sunday, will be dev'd if I don't get there as buying in direct won't be an option, unless I win a scoop that is.
          Gotta feeling you will bink a seat somehow buddy

          Getttttttttttt


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on May 16, 2013, 01:31:57 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.
          Well having read that they are having 2 live sat's in Luton then Westcliff on the 29th and 30th surely we should have at least one dinner date?

          Get Claypole involved and then neither of us need to pay!

          If only Bobalike lived closer...

          What day? I may even make the trip?
          Luton Satty £50Rebuy + 2 Steak dinners  (3seats Gtd and not just for dinner)  is 29th,   Westcliff Satty £50 Rebuy + 2 Fish dinners is the night after  ;)

          Soufend probs a bit too far but could be tempted for Luton. 3 seats Gtd for what?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on May 16, 2013, 01:33:58 PM
          Full details of the Genting live Satellites into the ISPT, around the country in the last week of May

          http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/3000-ispt-live-satellites.php


          Star City likely to be added too


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on May 16, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
          Full details of the Genting live Satellites into the ISPT, around the country in the last week of May

          http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/3000-ispt-live-satellites.php


          Star City likely to be added too

          Ty Tighty, for some reason I thought Eso meant Luton G.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Boba Fett on May 16, 2013, 01:50:11 PM
          Bookings are my favourite bet in games just because every little tackle has everyone up in outrage screaming C'mon ref book him!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 02:39:50 PM
          Bookings are my favourite bet in games just because every little tackle has everyone up in outrage screaming C'mon ref book him!!!!!
          Not if your on unders Bobba

          Obv you are an optimistic type of guy  ;) as that sounds like a man who backs overs.

          Last night the ref defo let 3/4 slide that would have been bookings on many other nights but I suppose that's why he only averages 2.something cards per game.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2013, 03:34:27 PM
          Im hungry. Just saying.
          Well having read that they are having 2 live sat's in Luton then Westcliff on the 29th and 30th surely we should have at least one dinner date?

          Get Claypole involved and then neither of us need to pay!

          If only Bobalike lived closer...

          What day? I may even make the trip?
          Luton Satty £50Rebuy + 2 Steak dinners  (3seats Gtd and not just for dinner)  is 29th,   Westcliff Satty £50 Rebuy + 2 Fish dinners is the night after  ;)

          Soufend probs a bit too far but could be tempted for Luton. 3 seats Gtd for what?


          Obv Tighty beat me to it but Wembley

          I say poker

          You say Wemplay


          POKER


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 17, 2013, 12:39:27 PM
          THE RUNGOOD CONTINUES

          Yesterday we broke even after 2 losers and one winner with a losing placepot at York and a big meeting with a couple of favs I could see out of the frame but alas having got through the difficult legs and doubled up in one of them so we were running for 60p I went out in leg 5 and would have missed out in leg6 also with it paying over £900 which would have been a similar return as the damage was already done to the pool, also backed a loser after receiving a text about a horse but gained parity on the day backing Grasshoppers to win their match last night.

          Satties to ISPT are going well as I'm currently just flicking in the 3euro rebuys as a late entrant and insta rebuying then adding on and using seats won for the 33euro 10 seats and now have 2 seats in the bag and will be trying for one more this weekend before trying to build a stack from next weekend.

          Obv I am playing anyway due to the brilliance of my staking team but this was part of my deal with them that I played trying to get us in a bit cheaper.


          Today the only thing I fancy and have had a small bet on is Alutiq in the place market at 11/8 in the 3.05 Newbury (needs to be first or second)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on May 26, 2013, 10:21:22 PM
          Possibly a little late, but sub(b)ed :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 27, 2013, 11:21:56 AM
          Possibly a little late, but sub(b)ed :D
          Haha nice talking to you yesterday mate!!

          Will update fully the last week or so later on but we virtually bubbled the live ISPT day1 Yday having played really well to have 485k @ 4/8/1000 and 19 left having gone for it with 24 left on a really passive table chipping up from 125k to 485k in 2 levels before doubling the shorties up and ended up needing a spot to double and after CO opens to 17k and older guy on btn flats we 3b ship 215k with 33 but the OR had "dem" it was GG us, pretty sigh really as we get it through vs older guy :(

          In to bat again tonight online


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 28, 2013, 08:22:06 AM
          glad to see your getting day1 seats for ispt rich :) late regging in these sats is def the way forward i think. i think the good weather didnt really do any favours for dtd at the weekend at the club :( , seeing the numbers . how was your las vegas team challenge thing? i turned up there on saturday late after crashing out of the G-casino £20 tourney in sheffield. i knew a few bristol players playing it so went to rail. it was done in one day too? wasnt it planned as a 2day live final thing? i hadnt looked into it but im sure they were saying that.
          i ended up travelling with a few friends to gentings casino in luton, they have done it up really nice. Also i couldnt help notice 'strange' bettings from many players including limping 7 levels into a tourney time after time, awful play in a nutshell. have you played there before Rich?

          it was my worst sit down ever experienced and of course furthest traveled, running into AA,AA,KK,KK within the first 1 hour  and using another bullet on a 50k starting stack lol. hopefully thats nothing like wembley else im guna be sat on row z crying on level 2 lol

          ive not checked the online action, are they getting many runners?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: nirvana on May 30, 2013, 05:59:44 PM
          If I read right elsewhere, well done last night Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 30, 2013, 06:14:57 PM
          If I read right elsewhere, well done last night Rich
          Cheers Glen!



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on May 30, 2013, 06:24:21 PM
          If I read right elsewhere, well done last night Rich

          This...another hero to follow on updates :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on May 30, 2013, 08:27:17 PM
          Absolute hero! Wpwp! Now get a score!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on May 30, 2013, 10:49:16 PM
          How have I not found this b4?! :(

          Subscribed !

          Dawn approach in derby, value or dangerous in your opinion?

          Ruler of the world?

          For me it's a toss up between the two, but Dawn Approach has the class to win it allllllll


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2013, 07:15:52 AM
          If I read right elsewhere, well done last night Rich

          This...another hero to follow on updates :)

          Absolute hero! Wpwp! Now get a score!

          Cheers Guy's

          How have I not found this b4?! :(

          Subscribed !

          Dawn approach in derby, value or dangerous in your opinion?

          Ruler of the world?

          For me it's a toss up between the two, but Dawn Approach has the class to win it allllllll
          Cheers Dreenie

          You will probably find a few similar patterns to "The Rollercoaster"  ;)
          Tbh I have not really looked at the race as I missed all the prices so wont get involved now but I did read about your brother backing Dawn App so hope it scoots home for him and you..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: leethefish on May 31, 2013, 07:20:57 AM
          How have I not found this b4?! :(

          Subscribed !

          Dawn approach in derby, value or dangerous in your opinion?

          Ruler of the world?

          For me it's a toss up between the two, but Dawn Approach has the class to win it allllllll

          If you've only just found this make sure you go back to the beginning the degen story's are truly amazing !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2013, 07:39:09 AM
          So I was playing ISPT and would have been direct buying in after selling 40% to some peeps on here with a special "Eso" backers caveat as a bit of extra value and having got close in the Sunday live Day1 peaking at 485000 (48.5 for Wembley) with 20 left I finished 14th when pushing the bubble really early to try and build a really big stack as my table was good but unfortunately lost vs all the shorties on my table and bust in a great spot where young agro chinese kid min opens btn from 600k and an older guy flats the btn with us finding 33 in the sb so ship 235k in abs confident if we get through the kid we win the pot but he had "Dem Aces" and it was geeeeeeg.

          Bricked the onlines from my tokens and had one shot at the live event at Luton Genting (Vinnie told me it would be softer than Southend) and shipped a seat giving backers a great deal imo.  The Sat itself was a real rollercoaster for me on the FT having sat down with an avg stack I was the only player aware of the big blind jumps so was jamming vs some of them 2-3 times an orbit and scooping pot after pot to see me through the levels until we were 6 handed when I was captain/chippy and pretty much in control.

          David LLoyd of Luton DC fame was to my left which I'm sure he was loving when we drew seats but unfortunately for him I took every spot away from him and having started with 1/3rd the chips in play he blinded down and was pretty frustrated.  I then dbld all the short stacks in std spots when I hadnt quite got a lock losing a few pots the last one being A10 v A8 co v BB leaving me with 65k at 6/12/1000 and next hand I ship KJo and get reshoved by the btn before that's called by Mrs Pham calls off and we win vs AJo and QQ to triple up and were down to 5 with 3 seats and £350.

          I won a seat in a cooler and without a seat locked and blinds about to go 20/40k  Lloydy mins UTG and I have KK in the BB  and reship to be snapped and obv he has AA and me covered but I run better in these coups and a flop of Q8dd see's me quickly do a "diamond check" of his cards, nope he doesn't have one so I'm funking for an all Diamond flop to give us a sweat but instead the  Kh pops out  and we hold and knock him out next hand BVB to go 4 handed.

          Typical Luton style one guy then says "I'm not sure I can play Wembley so will take £100 from each of you" and £650 total now and you 3 can have the seats now ordinarily I would have snapped but these guys had 3 bb's and as he said it the dealer told him wait till after the hand so he shipped it in and I said "you guys do what you want but I'm not in as playing anyway" at which point Kenny P called off with QJo for his last 3bb losing to AJ of the guy who didn't want to play.

          So we got home at 4.35am and went to sleep with Max waking at 7.10 and was in the office at 8.15 as per usual  :(


          So today we are playing 2a and am prepping by watching Cbeebies before leaving around 10am with Steve O'Keefe who won a seat thinking he was playing a sat in a day but luckily had 105k and thought he was a lock and folded to 79k when the bubble burst  (WAL)

          GL all Blondes this weekend and early next week..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2013, 07:42:45 AM
          glad to see your getting day1 seats for ispt rich :) late regging in these sats is def the way forward i think. i think the good weather didnt really do any favours for dtd at the weekend at the club :( , seeing the numbers . how was your las vegas team challenge thing? i turned up there on saturday late after crashing out of the G-casino £20 tourney in sheffield. i knew a few bristol players playing it so went to rail. it was done in one day too? wasnt it planned as a 2day live final thing? i hadnt looked into it but im sure they were saying that.
          i ended up travelling with a few friends to gentings casino in luton, they have done it up really nice. Also i couldnt help notice 'strange' bettings from many players including limping 7 levels into a tourney time after time, awful play in a nutshell. have you played there before Rich?

          it was my worst sit down ever experienced and of course furthest traveled, running into AA,AA,KK,KK within the first 1 hour  and using another bullet on a 50k starting stack lol. hopefully thats nothing like wembley else im guna be sat on row z crying on level 2 lol

          ive not checked the online action, are they getting many runners?
          Hey Ross sorry I hadn't replied mate till now, I actually saw you at the bar but me, Guy (Outragous) and the Ginger Ninja (Bettsy) were grinding a profit on 3card poker whilst sinking JD's and watching the Froch fight and then you had disappeared.

          Our team was pants but it was a good weekend, yh we call it the "Luton Limp"  ;)

          GL Saturday mate and hope to see you Sunday..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: craigbetts on May 31, 2013, 07:43:53 AM
          GL for today sir!

          Did I ever tell you about the time I played at Wembley........ zzzzzz


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2013, 07:44:50 AM
          How have I not found this b4?! :(

          Subscribed !

          Dawn approach in derby, value or dangerous in your opinion?

          Ruler of the world?

          For me it's a toss up between the two, but Dawn Approach has the class to win it allllllll

          If you've only just found this make sure you go back to the beginning the degen story's are truly amazing !
          Yeah defo the first 50pages are the best now I cannot compete with Golden, Concrete and Trains and Red   :(

          Not yet anyways..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on May 31, 2013, 08:04:14 AM
          gl today Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Yian on May 31, 2013, 08:34:41 AM
          gl hope to see you Sunday


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on May 31, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
          glad to see your getting day1 seats for ispt rich :) late regging in these sats is def the way forward i think. i think the good weather didnt really do any favours for dtd at the weekend at the club :( , seeing the numbers . how was your las vegas team challenge thing? i turned up there on saturday late after crashing out of the G-casino £20 tourney in sheffield. i knew a few bristol players playing it so went to rail. it was done in one day too? wasnt it planned as a 2day live final thing? i hadnt looked into it but im sure they were saying that.
          i ended up travelling with a few friends to gentings casino in luton, they have done it up really nice. Also i couldnt help notice 'strange' bettings from many players including limping 7 levels into a tourney time after time, awful play in a nutshell. have you played there before Rich?

          it was my worst sit down ever experienced and of course furthest traveled, running into AA,AA,KK,KK within the first 1 hour  and using another bullet on a 50k starting stack lol. hopefully thats nothing like wembley else im guna be sat on row z crying on level 2 lol

          ive not checked the online action, are they getting many runners?
          Hey Ross sorry I hadn't replied mate till now, I actually saw you at the bar but me, Guy (Outragous) and the Ginger Ninja (Bettsy) were grinding a profit on 3card poker whilst sinking JD's and watching the Froch fight and then you had disappeared.

          Our team was pants but it was a good weekend, yh we call it the "Luton Limp"  ;)

          GL Saturday mate and hope to see you Sunday..

          haha luton limp, a fitting name. have u seen the pics of wembley? im starting to get excited :) hope i dont get too nervous lol.
          yes i will see u sunday, really glad you got a seat, leaving it late is always more exciting, last few weeks ive been headless( think thats why i wondered into luton lol.

          cya at wembley. keep me posted how u do later today. the pitch is like something out of close encounters. lets crush the french!!! there the new chipleader. gl :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on May 31, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
          See you Sunday.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on May 31, 2013, 12:14:05 PM
          Just read first 20 pages. Awesome read, gl in wembley!

          When u have spun up in a casino to let's say 5/6k+, have u always walked out same night or done it in there & then?

          Do u still gamble on any of the stuff u mention in the 1st 20 pages, if so is it to the same extent?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 02, 2013, 09:21:51 AM
          This was my day1 message to the team from Day2a of ISPT with the final hand omitted as will post in pha another time

          Just thought I would report back on our day2 yesterday.

          Sat down to see I was oop to BobaFett which was not great and then everyone sits down and I am also oop to Julien Monfort, the Chinese agro kid who bust me out in the Day1 live last week and is stacked up and to Boba's left a Pokersquad pro so I have had easier tables.

          Anyway we find no value hands for 40 mins and at 1/200 there is a raise to 450, a call and Kamal Choraria to my right 3's to 1325 and we have QQ otb so as vvvv early just Flat  (thoughts).  OR flats and now the 1st flatter who has not played a pot since the start makes it 4800 which is called by Kamal and I folded and the OR called. At this point I was happy as had only put in 1325 and on a flop of 10 10 9 4 the OR bet allin against the NIT who folded and he triumphantly showed JJ which I think he thought was winning but was really just bluffing.

          I eventually won a series of small pots and was waiting to flop something more than 1pair but chipped up to 65k and then with Kamal telling the table that I always had an Ace or TP I tried to use it to our advantage vs Boba where I opened to 1325 @ 3/600 in MP with A10o and Julien 3's to 2850 which is then cold 4'd by Boba OTB to 5800 and the action is back on me so try to use my image and 5b to 10300 (or similar) with Julien folding and Boba clicking it back to 15700 from circa45k at this point I know he is never folding so we pass and later he tells me he had Aces.  The spot just looked so good for Boba to be bluffing until the 6b.

          We got some revenge later on after he opens UTG and we find KK otb and 3b which he calls but we could only get 1 chunky street on KQ98ss board but then with 3 levels to go and having 90k we found ourself with the 2nd best hand and called one street too many vs Julien when I opened CO with A9cc and he calls otb and we see a flop of AJJ which he flatted the Cb we both Ck'd the turn and I c/c the river losing to JK.

          The last level was painfull as I got moved with 20mins to go to a table of masses and was oop to Middy but IP to James Mitchell and the French CL but only had 45k and was never going to dust off as Day3 is a different day.  3 hands before the end of the day it folds to me in the SB @6/1200/200 and I raise to 3000 from 44500 with K10ss and Middy makes it 7500 and I fold and then the very next hand I get in a spot that I spoke about to my buddy who I went with and am still not sure what was right so welcome the feedback.

          < Omitted final hand to be put up in pha sometime>

          So were back in a few hours time with 22bbs and a dream...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 02, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
          Just read first 20 pages. Awesome read, gl in wembley!

          When u have spun up in a casino to let's say 5/6k+, have u always walked out same night or done it in there & then?

          Do u still gamble on any of the stuff u mention in the 1st 20 pages, if so is it to the same extent?
          Thanks for all the Gl's

          I don't play any house games now unless a token few quid when out with mates as I think having lost so much over the years they don't hold the same attraction, I still play on sports, horses but mainly shrewdies judgement's or my own  (in before not as shrewd)

          I played 3card poker with Outragous and CraigBetts whilst in Sheffield last weekend and sat with £100 and 2 hours later as the Froch fight started had exactly £100 so cashed out happy and had literally killed time but if I was with someone I would watch them and funk for them to win but get no buzz personally anymore.

          How is it going for you? Are you still playing house games?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on June 03, 2013, 09:07:09 AM
          hey rich
          was good catching up with you in Luton :)
          Also meeting few other blondes was wicked too, it was like a gathering of blondes lol ,celtic and who was the other guy again!? he was on final table with me ;) . some real characters at Gcasino slightly nutty play, the banter makes the game so much more fun. will remember 'Phil'! and the other guys pocket 10's against KK was pretty bad too considering he'd seem to play solid throughout the night.

          Ispt could of gone better for us but least we got some hours of poker in :) real shame with the lack of runners right and lack of games on too, i really wanted to play yesterday but the games they had on were just ****.

          im pretty sure i should still be in bed now lol, ive been up 1hour and got about 3hours sleep. but was worth it, final tabled and with deals not even talked about i went heads up against 'colin' and his railing wife(nice chap). loved the fact we played heads up, usually everytime theres a deal. and got a 2/1 chip stack against him after he flopped a set and decided to check to allow me to hit my flush and pay me off on river too :) happy days eventually i went all in pre with 22! eeeekkk he called with k-9 and he missed( that would never happen at dtd right?lol).
          thks for letting me know u was playing at gcasino as i prob would not of bothered otherwise :)

          til the next time :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 03, 2013, 11:19:09 AM
          Will come back to things later but really fancy a horse today

          Fig Roll in the 4.35 Naas and have backed it to win @ 4/1 (cannot get on at 9/2) but also double my win part on the place market at 11/10 Ladbrokes as really think this will improve over the 6f and hopefully this will be a stepping stone to a race like "The Albany"* at R.Ascot but cannot see any prices for this yet.


          Boba if you are still reading did you really have Aces I mean really?


          *sigh posted this then saw racing post where they also talk about "The Albany"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pizzled on June 03, 2013, 01:17:27 PM
          hey rich
          was good catching up with you in Luton :)
          Also meeting few other blondes was wicked too, it was like a gathering of blondes lol ,celtic and who was the other guy again!? he was on final table with me ;) . some real characters at Gcasino slightly nutty play, the banter makes the game so much more fun. will remember 'Phil'! and the other guys pocket 10's against KK was pretty bad too considering he'd seem to play solid throughout the night.

          Ispt could of gone better for us but least we got some hours of poker in :) real shame with the lack of runners right and lack of games on too, i really wanted to play yesterday but the games they had on were just ****.

          im pretty sure i should still be in bed now lol, ive been up 1hour and got about 3hours sleep. but was worth it, final tabled and with deals not even talked about i went heads up against 'colin' and his railing wife(nice chap). loved the fact we played heads up, usually everytime theres a deal. and got a 2/1 chip stack against him after he flopped a set and decided to check to allow me to hit my flush and pay me off on river too :) happy days eventually i went all in pre with 22! eeeekkk he called with k-9 and he missed( that would never happen at dtd right?lol).
          thks for letting me know u was playing at gcasino as i prob would not of bothered otherwise :)

          til the next time :)

          I'm the other guy with mad skills (Gavin) very nice to meet you :)
          I've played the guy with 10s quite a lot at limpy Luton so he must have thought I was at it again ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on June 03, 2013, 03:16:53 PM
          thats it, gavin :) yeah sorry i met quite a few people at weekend and sometimes my memory aint the best wit names. nice to meet you too, your sound :)
          it was a fun final table lo, that Chinese women is potty lol and why the guy sits down and decides straight away to play a-10 like he did made me feel sick inside but each to our own i guess
          you was a little unlucky in spots, went abit card dead it seemed but...'your laddering skills!!' :) , your pocket JJ really stung u :(, only street i fold to was on the flop id say, with our stacks in that situation.
          its difficult, u need luck and i did get some in places for sure.

          hopefully we'll play again soon gavin, enjoyed the banter :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on June 03, 2013, 03:42:56 PM
          Just read first 20 pages. Awesome read, gl in wembley!

          When u have spun up in a casino to let's say 5/6k+, have u always walked out same night or done it in there & then?

          Do u still gamble on any of the stuff u mention in the 1st 20 pages, if so is it to the same extent?
          Thanks for all the Gl's

          I don't play any house games now unless a token few quid when out with mates as I think having lost so much over the years they don't hold the same attraction, I still play on sports, horses but mainly shrewdies judgement's or my own  (in before not as shrewd)

          I played 3card poker with Outragous and CraigBetts whilst in Sheffield last weekend and sat with £100 and 2 hours later as the Froch fight started had exactly £100 so cashed out happy and had literally killed time but if I was with someone I would watch them and funk for them to win but get no buzz personally anymore.

          How is it going for you? Are you still playing house games?

          I don't go to the casino's anymore. I will only really be able to tell once I get a score, that will be the test for me. Inside now, I honestly can say I don't want anything to do with the 'gambling' side of things, but won't know for sure until I have proper money again.

          I have excluded myself on stars from all cash games, and have restricted myself to play $30 sit n gos maximum. The high stakes plo did it for me this time round, not the casino games. When I was losing on the plo, I then played wcoop, (badly), and lost about 14k on them too, so all in all it was pretty horrific.

          As for now, I've only just started to come to terms with it all. I believe I am still good enough to win tournaments, but I am going to have to be patient and grind my ass off to achieve some sort of happiness.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on June 03, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
          The last bit doesn't make any sense, sorry I am terrible at wording things. What I mean is I am going to have to grind hard at the tables and be patient, then in turn I might get some success.

          I just love playing, therefore even If I was to win 2/3k for example, I should still grind it out, so I can keep playing. You can't make money with no money.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 03, 2013, 03:46:39 PM
          Just read first 20 pages. Awesome read, gl in wembley!

          When u have spun up in a casino to let's say 5/6k+, have u always walked out same night or done it in there & then?

          Do u still gamble on any of the stuff u mention in the 1st 20 pages, if so is it to the same extent?
          Thanks for all the Gl's

          I don't play any house games now unless a token few quid when out with mates as I think having lost so much over the years they don't hold the same attraction, I still play on sports, horses but mainly shrewdies judgement's or my own  (in before not as shrewd)

          I played 3card poker with Outragous and CraigBetts whilst in Sheffield last weekend and sat with £100 and 2 hours later as the Froch fight started had exactly £100 so cashed out happy and had literally killed time but if I was with someone I would watch them and funk for them to win but get no buzz personally anymore.

          How is it going for you? Are you still playing house games?

          I don't go to the casino's anymore. I will only really be able to tell once I get a score, that will be the test for me. Inside now, I honestly can say I don't want anything to do with the 'gambling' side of things, but won't know for sure until I have proper money again.

          I have excluded myself on stars from all cash games, and have restricted myself to play $30 sit n gos maximum. The high stakes plo did it for me this time round, not the casino games. When I was losing on the plo, I then played wcoop, (badly), and lost about 14k on them too, so all in all it was pretty horrific.

          As for now, I've only just started to come to terms with it all. I believe I am still good enough to win tournaments, but I am going to have to be patient and grind my ass off to achieve some sort of happiness.
          I'm sure you will get there  ;) but in the meantime taking any job in the field you would like to get into is probs the easiest way of getting the job you want.

          I interview people all the time and if they sat in front of me and said I'm currently working on the bins (not that this is a bad job) to pay my bills but really see myself doing this then my respect for them would go up immediately but on the flip side as I work in sales I also would employ people with degen tendencies as they always need to be earning ££ so are more likely to try to do it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on June 03, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
          Just read first 20 pages. Awesome read, gl in wembley!

          When u have spun up in a casino to let's say 5/6k+, have u always walked out same night or done it in there & then?

          Do u still gamble on any of the stuff u mention in the 1st 20 pages, if so is it to the same extent?
          Thanks for all the Gl's

          I don't play any house games now unless a token few quid when out with mates as I think having lost so much over the years they don't hold the same attraction, I still play on sports, horses but mainly shrewdies judgement's or my own  (in before not as shrewd)

          I played 3card poker with Outragous and CraigBetts whilst in Sheffield last weekend and sat with £100 and 2 hours later as the Froch fight started had exactly £100 so cashed out happy and had literally killed time but if I was with someone I would watch them and funk for them to win but get no buzz personally anymore.

          How is it going for you? Are you still playing house games?

          I don't go to the casino's anymore. I will only really be able to tell once I get a score, that will be the test for me. Inside now, I honestly can say I don't want anything to do with the 'gambling' side of things, but won't know for sure until I have proper money again.

          I have excluded myself on stars from all cash games, and have restricted myself to play $30 sit n gos maximum. The high stakes plo did it for me this time round, not the casino games. When I was losing on the plo, I then played wcoop, (badly), and lost about 14k on them too, so all in all it was pretty horrific.

          As for now, I've only just started to come to terms with it all. I believe I am still good enough to win tournaments, but I am going to have to be patient and grind my ass off to achieve some sort of happiness.
          I'm sure you will get there  ;) but in the meantime taking any job in the field you would like to get into is probs the easiest way of getting the job you want.

          I interview people all the time and if they sat in front of me and said I'm currently working on the bins (not that this is a bad job) to pay my bills but really see myself doing this then my respect for them would go up immediately but on the flip side as I work in sales I also would employ people with degen tendencies as they always need to be earning ££ so are more likely to try to do it.


          Yes I agree, I am looking for any old job, I have come to accept that I will have to be in a dead end job with no prospects, doing something I don't want to do, to live day to day.
          I have applied for 8 jobs within coral, 1 in paddy power all the very basic aspects of cashier in there shops, not heard anything, numerous jobs within administration, how hard is it to type on a keyboard? and a application for a shop assistant.

          Not going to pursue the cooking, I'm 10 years too late for it, why put myself through all the unsociable hours when most pubs and local catering firms use everything out of a packet. 9-5 is the way to go imo, but it's tough to get your foot in the door.

          Maybe I've been living in a fantasy land the last couple of years, but I believe I can win tournaments in poker, in the long run, but you need money to play, and you need a job to get money, atm I have neither so like I said, I have to patient and continue to believe.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on June 10, 2013, 08:56:11 AM
          Rich are you playing the Luton tourney this weekend? It's gtd at 20k I think. What's your view on this time bank thing there considering bringing into Dtd? Judging by reactions of blondes I don't think it'll go ahead though. Hope all is good with you :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mehtab on June 17, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
          Was probably a year ago that I said I'd take a look at your diary. Got round to it this morning and now 15 pages in and addicted... very open and honest and in a lot of spots f****d up. Really enjoying it so far... Seems a far cry from what I've encountered of you on the few occasions we've met around the table.

          Looking forward to the next 180 pages!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on June 17, 2013, 02:03:40 PM
          Was probably a year ago that I said I'd take a look at your diary. Got round to it this morning and now 15 pages in and addicted... very open and honest and in a lot of spots f****d up. Really enjoying it so far... Seems a far cry from what I've encountered of you on the few occasions we've met around the table.

          Looking forward to the next 180 pages!

          It only goes down hill.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on June 17, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
          Was probably a year ago that I said I'd take a look at your diary. Got round to it this morning and now 15 pages in and addicted... very open and honest and in a lot of spots f****d up. Really enjoying it so far... Seems a far cry from what I've encountered of you on the few occasions we've met around the table.

          Looking forward to the next 180 pages!

          It only goes down hill.

          Once he's weighed the mafia in things slow down :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mehtab on June 17, 2013, 06:46:11 PM
          Was probably a year ago that I said I'd take a look at your diary. Got round to it this morning and now 15 pages in and addicted... very open and honest and in a lot of spots f****d up. Really enjoying it so far... Seems a far cry from what I've encountered of you on the few occasions we've met around the table.

          Looking forward to the next 180 pages!

          It only goes down hill.

          Once he's weighed the mafia in things slow down :D

          If he gets his life back on track I'm gonna be seriously pissed off :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: AJR14 on June 20, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
          Hi Eso! How you doing?

          Are you the Eso on Sky? or do we have an imposter?? lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 21, 2013, 10:19:40 AM
          Hi Eso! How you doing?

          Are you the Eso on Sky? or do we have an imposter?? lol
          Hi AJ

          Sorry to disappoint but it's probably Vinny or someone off here

          Keep up the grind bud!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on June 26, 2013, 12:13:06 AM
          Hey dude.  Nice to meet you at the weekend.  Like putting faces to names from here.

          Gl with stuff!!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 26, 2013, 12:36:24 AM
          Hey dude.  Nice to meet you at the weekend.  Like putting faces to names from here.

          Gl with stuff!!!!!!
          Yeah you too bud, was funking for a Tom n Tommy HU!!

          Going to Slovakia tomorrow for a week or so but will no doubt catch you at the next one..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 11, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
          Ok were back from Slovakia and settled back into work and got loads I want to write about but it seems every day I log on there are a gazillion threads I want to read so instead of writing I catch up on 2 pages of updates and then my time is gone!!

          Anyway Cliffs for now

          *  Family all good - this is the most important thing and Ivy is developing really well and is 98 on her height centiles (god knows how) will post up some pics later on

          *  Won a few quid in Slovakia and now have a "Bank of Dubai" balance again

          *  Spewed in a hand with 30 left in DTD 50k last weekend to give me a Sunday stack and got called by 9high flush when I can have all the biggies :(

          *  Spewed in online leg last night with me Btn v SB v BB where I min open A9o and SB who is CL min3's which BB overcalls and I reship getting looked up by JJ from the BB and dont get there so pure bubbled the ££ position with a chance of Day2

          *  Am mega excited as whilst in Slovakia I read a book  (in before) and it has inspired me to do a few things...

          *  We are currently setting up 2 small businesses as part of ^^ which will lead onto part 2 of the plan.

          * Managed to convince Petra that the main family holiday should be in the Caribbean again this year so now just need a small bink to finance it

          *  Had 6 potential sweats in WSOP ME with 4% Seun Oluwole having rolled over a % from his pre main package, 3% Dubai (returns), 2.5% Yian's package (returns on package as not played much), 1.5% Pads  :( 2.5% of Alex and 1% of Teeks so currently got Seun Oluwole and Alex through to Day 3 with 61k and 100k respectively..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on July 11, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42398528.html


          thoughts on photo 4 on this house?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 11, 2013, 02:35:03 PM
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42398528.html


          thoughts on photo 4 on this house?

          Not everyone wants to see Bondage chairs and Swings as internal photo's  ;)

          What do you have in there?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on July 11, 2013, 02:36:07 PM
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42398528.html


          thoughts on photo 4 on this house?

          Not everyone wants to see Bondage chairs and Swings as internal photo's  ;)

          What do you have in there?

          never seen owt like that before, have you? where internal shots of house not shown.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on July 11, 2013, 02:36:15 PM
          incredible way to drum up viewings


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 11, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42398528.html


          thoughts on photo 4 on this house?

          Not everyone wants to see Bondage chairs and Swings as internal photo's  ;)

          What do you have in there?

          never seen owt like that before, have you? where internal shots of house not shown.
          Well not where a vendors "Hobby" may not be legit but Rightmove have big power as only yesterday htey took ALL of my properties off the site after we breached our contract in the descriptions we used which was pretty petty but "demz da rules" and we tried to flout them a little although it did mean every property we have was relisted in everyones inboxes today like a new instruction so not all that bad.

          incredible way to drum up viewings
          Oh yes I am sure his phone is ringing off and people are disappointed that he has a collection of Page 3's on his wall or something....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
          That's awesome tekkers.
          I use the you tube icon above but it only works occasionally for me. A lot of the videos on here just show the play symbol with a line through it for me

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE
           See
          Last August this was Max kicking a football around the garden and over the past couple of weeks here he is again however he is now completely left footed which I suppose is good if he continues to develop a talent for the game with the lack of left sided players.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pd27_HrDCo

          This was in Slovakia ten days ago.

          And then here he is in our garden a couple of days ago, clock the great first kick followed by a lack of conviction to tackle me, an outside of the left foot and then a quality air shot which he obv frustrated by as he goes shy for a few seconds.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvORUN-r-g

          I would really love him to have a talent for the game and think he is great considering he is 2years and 3 months but am obv biased.





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redarmi on July 12, 2013, 04:51:26 PM
          Great vids mate.  Think he would be given the hairdryer treatment for ignoring the through pass that led to a goal in the cup final because a plane passed though ;-)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on July 13, 2013, 07:21:06 AM
          Love the videos mate, not much beats playing football with kids in garden.

          Catch up soon fella.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 13, 2013, 07:29:44 AM
          Great vids mate.  Think he would be given the hairdryer treatment for ignoring the through pass that led to a goal in the cup final because a plane passed though ;-)

          He wasn't watching a plane, he was learning to claim offside!

          Needs to work on his right foot though.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on July 14, 2013, 10:07:55 PM
          When estate agents give fees as a % is VAT on top?

          Someone advised me 1.25% + vat which is obv 1.5%

          Thoughts?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 14, 2013, 10:12:12 PM
          When estate agents give fees as a % is VAT on top?

          Someone advised me 1.25% + vat which is obv 1.5%

          Thoughts?
          As crooked as many agents might be, not even they can escape the Vat man!!

          Most fees (would guess 99%) are plus vat but before signing the contract they should make you aware and also it will be in the print.


          Just a thin "I'm moving house" brag imo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on July 15, 2013, 09:34:32 AM
          When estate agents give fees as a % is VAT on top?

          Someone advised me 1.25% + vat which is obv 1.5%

          Thoughts?

          if you selling in leeds very very easy to get 1% total...with vat included. Remember they want you to sell with them, just say you offered 1% elsewhere and they will match it, that's hunters, manning stantion etc all in North Leeds...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on July 15, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
          When estate agents give fees as a % is VAT on top?

          Someone advised me 1.25% + vat which is obv 1.5%

          Thoughts?

          if you selling in leeds very very easy to get 1% total...with vat included. Remember they want you to sell with them, just say you offered 1% elsewhere and they will match it, that's hunters, manning stantion etc all in North Leeds...

          I will, ty.

          Pretty much been told they have a buyer ready to go (we are 1 week from having house ready for market). Cant see my paying more than 1%, but cheers


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 28, 2013, 04:19:23 AM
          Snoring bastard.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on July 28, 2013, 01:03:48 PM
          Snoring bastard.

          I wasn't there


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 29, 2013, 04:12:00 PM
          Well I have just come back from a weekend up in Nottingham for the SPT where I bust in 57th or something having lost a cruical day2 pot with 2pair vs a flush draw and he held to leave me 20bbs and then ground a short stack till the penultimate level of the day before my exit hand where I jammed over a button limp with JQo and 14bigs and the BB woke up with A10 and it was gg me.  Celtic bust 20 mins later so it was off to the kebab house to drown our sorrows together although we both said how much we enjoyed the event even though it nearly kicked off in the smoking area in an alcohol induced row!

          Overall I ran pretty good in other things over the weekend as I backed Tropics @11/2 win and ew and had a losing ew double with Redvers,  Tighty tipped me up Monaco and I had a decent sized wager from Thursday on Raikonen to podium in the F1 along with a match bet on Perez over Sutil which was weighed in early, another winner from Claypole on a Godolphin newbie but lost on under 180's in the darts final to win about 600nett across Sat/Sun. Oh and Vinny bought Nando's which meant I knew I would rungood over the weekend.

          Having been knocked out late Sat night I had already organised a game of golf with Karabiner ( thanks for the invite) at his local course called Woolaton in Nottingham and he sharked me 2&1 but I was fairly happy with how I played having not picked up a club since November in the Caribbean with Demps and the course was in fantastic shape unlike myself although more to come on this later!!

          Also chatted to other Blondeites inc Red, Tikay, Chilli, Tomsom, Alex, Milkshake (who disected how he called me with 9high and was good a cpl of weeks ago), FredW (kidz gonna go close to rivalling my degen past at the rate he is going!!) amongst many others and then Sunday after golf Vinny and myself drove down to Luton and hooked up with Claypole who was on his way to Galway to represent England in the team event at the festival (must be nice to be mates with Jake n Pez is all I can say) but in all seriousness GL to him this week.

          Below are a cpl of clips from last week with Max and Ivy where Max is improving his footie skills and Ivy is getting her first youtube entry on the diary

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripOgSoFDFs

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8s2uu78bXM

          This week is going to be busy as I am putting the finishing touches to business plan1 and hoping to get this up and running really soon along with some online cash and sats for stuff before it's my local GPS at Westcliff which I think will be the worst attended one unfortunately due to time of year and it being held in August when half of Essex visit Southend but if anyone does come down make sure you get into Old Leigh which is much better than Southend itself imo.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 29, 2013, 04:21:02 PM
          Wp Ralphy. Was rooting for you from my bed.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on July 29, 2013, 05:03:54 PM
          Wp Ralphy. Was rooting for you from my bed.

          It wasn't looking good Vinny, he was two up after three holes and playing really well and I was hacking it about.

          Once the clock struck noon I managed to hit my stride having dragged him down a bit. Great fun and nice to show off the golf course in fantastic condition.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 29, 2013, 06:16:04 PM
          You schooled him Ralph. Lets just leave it at that.

          He was sulking all the way down the m1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on July 29, 2013, 08:54:52 PM
          I must add that one of the best things was that during the few hours we spent together neither of us said "and the flop came..." once.

          "That's almost a gimme" was mentioned several times however.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 29, 2013, 10:02:07 PM
          I must add that one of the best things was that during the few hours we spent together neither of us said "and the flop came..." once.

          "That's almost a gimme" was mentioned several times however.

          Lucky you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 30, 2013, 02:22:45 PM
          Well we made day 2 of the first DTD £50 mini deepstack yesterday online with just under 100k which is a bit crap in terms of stack as unless I can build another stack somewhere it mean were gonna be driving up to Nottingham on sunday with 15bbs and although I did a massive get there with AA v 44 on 2584 rb I was really unlucky in a few spots with 2 levels to go losing AJ v 45dd on KKJ where a guy peeled for 90% of his stack pre to a 4b from me and got there on the river and lost KK vs QKdd of Tommy Binkham AIPF and then only 2 hands were played on the final table in 5 mins as everyplayer timebanked their full minute to keep their stacks.

          So as it looks good value with 10k uptop I am pretty much obliged to throw another couple of bullets of £50 and try to add a few more soldiers to go to war with on Sunday...




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CHIPPYMAN on July 30, 2013, 02:24:52 PM
          The fish always get there 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
          Ok so whilst in Slovakia I read a book which I said has inpsired me to do a couple of bits to improve our lives and certainly Max and Ivy's lives in the future.

          The book is called "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" and is about a kid who grows up and his Dad is the one who tells you to go to school, Uni etc and then get a job and work your way up within a company and his best friends Dad is the "Rich Dad" who is all about working to buy assets to provide income rinse repeat and although it was written a good few years ago and certainly in those days properties were easier to come by the good disciplines and principles will apply.

          So this is the reason we have been doing the business plans for a couple of start ups that are not too time or cost inducive and could hopefully give us an amount of extra income that we can then invest in a portfolio for us for the future and the businesses themselves are in fields that we know and work in which is always good and also from experience I have recently had difficulty trying to find a company to do the same thiing for me at the agency.

          I will post more about them over time as we go and get further down the road and I would definately recommend the book to any entreprenuerial types on here.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Steve Swift on July 31, 2013, 01:50:28 PM
          Wow,  my daughter bought me this recently. Still haven't got chance to start it yet, I wonder what she is trying to tell me.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
          Wow,  my daughter bought me this recently. Still haven't got chance to start it yet, I wonder what she is trying to tell me.
          Haha I really enjoyed it even though I am not a book person and it makes a lot of sense.

          I'm just about to read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad 2" so theres your Christmas present sorted  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on July 31, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
          Dunno how anyone gets a mortgage these days.. lender has had me jumping through hopps for over a week... just awaiting the stool sample and first born rights request...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 02:19:40 PM
          Dunno how anyone gets a mortgage these days.. lender has had me jumping through hopps for over a week... just awaiting the stool sample and first born rights request...
          Lolz it's not easy despite the publicity saying that banks are lending and unless you are squeeky clean they will often dig for a reason to say no unless you have a broker who will pre-empt the lender and place you with the lender you are most likely to fit.

          Also whilst I wouldnt advocate it for obvious reasons but having a creative broker/consultant is the only way people get by down here.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on July 31, 2013, 02:39:51 PM
          Dunno how anyone gets a mortgage these days.. lender has had me jumping through hopps for over a week... just awaiting the stool sample and first born rights request...
          Lolz it's not easy despite the publicity saying that banks are lending and unless you are squeeky clean they will often dig for a reason to say no unless you have a broker who will pre-empt the lender and place you with the lender you are most likely to fit.

          Also whilst I wouldnt advocate it for obvious reasons but having a creative broker/consultant is the only way people get by down here.

          yeah fortunatly i have a couple of clients who are estate agents and one gave me a deese broker...looks like i'm almost there...after i had to explain where i got a rather large lump of money from...ooops  ;whistle;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
          Dunno how anyone gets a mortgage these days.. lender has had me jumping through hopps for over a week... just awaiting the stool sample and first born rights request...
          Lolz it's not easy despite the publicity saying that banks are lending and unless you are squeeky clean they will often dig for a reason to say no unless you have a broker who will pre-empt the lender and place you with the lender you are most likely to fit.

          Also whilst I wouldnt advocate it for obvious reasons but having a creative broker/consultant is the only way people get by down here.

          yeah fortunatly i have a couple of clients who are estate agents and one gave me a deese broker...looks like i'm almost there...after i had to explain where i got a rather large lump of money from...ooops  ;whistle;
          8 neighbours by £50?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on July 31, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
          it all helps lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on July 31, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
          must say its about time they did something about stamp duty..3% wtf !... im sure i shed a tear


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 03:25:14 PM
          must say its about time they did something about stamp duty..3% wtf !... im sure i shed a tear
          Never gonna happen and when they did try to help the FTB's out there they do it on a property price that hardly anyone can find a property in, well certainly not from Luton down I guess.

          The jump from 1% - 3% is the hardest as buyers around the 275k mark are forced to find another £5500 but go and buy at £550k and it is 4% so another £5500 but as a % very small in the scheme of your move, and gone are the days of paying £250k plus some for fixtures and fittings unless it's like £1-2k max as it's a 7 page document the solicitors fill in now which goes to revenues dept and they can retrospectively inspect said items and still charge you the diff if they think you have pulled a fast one.

          There were some solicitors who were advocating you can get away with no stamp duty as there was a loophole but revenues agian stated once it's closed they will retrospectively come after you...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: littlemissC on July 31, 2013, 03:45:35 PM
          Well I have just come back from a weekend up in Nottingham for the SPT where I bust in 57th or something having lost a cruical day2 pot with 2pair vs a flush draw and he held to leave me 20bbs and then ground a short stack till the penultimate level of the day before my exit hand where I jammed over a button limp with JQo and 14bigs and the BB woke up with A10 and it was gg me.  Celtic bust 20 mins later so it was off to the kebab house to drown our sorrows together although we both said how much we enjoyed the event even though it nearly kicked off in the smoking area in an alcohol induced row!

          Overall I ran pretty good in other things over the weekend as I backed Tropics @11/2 win and ew and had a losing ew double with Redvers,  Tighty tipped me up Monaco and I had a decent sized wager from Thursday on Raikonen to podium in the F1 along with a match bet on Perez over Sutil which was weighed in early, another winner from Claypole on a Godolphin newbie but lost on under 180's in the darts final to win about 600nett across Sat/Sun. Oh and Vinny bought Nando's which meant I knew I would rungood over the weekend.

          Having been knocked out late Sat night I had already organised a game of golf with Karabiner ( thanks for the invite) at his local course called Woolaton in Nottingham and he sharked me 2&1 but I was fairly happy with how I played having not picked up a club since November in the Caribbean with Demps and the course was in fantastic shape unlike myself although more to come on this later!!

          Also chatted to other Blondeites inc Red, Tikay, Chilli, Tomsom, Alex, Milkshake (who disected how he called me with 9high and was good a cpl of weeks ago), FredW (kidz gonna go close to rivalling my degen past at the rate he is going!!) amongst many others and then Sunday after golf Vinny and myself drove down to Luton and hooked up with Claypole who was on his way to Galway to represent England in the team event at the festival (must be nice to be mates with Jake n Pez is all I can say) but in all seriousness GL to him this week.

          Below are a cpl of clips from last week with Max and Ivy where Max is improving his footie skills and Ivy is getting her first youtube entry on the diary

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripOgSoFDFs

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8s2uu78bXM

          This week is going to be busy as I am putting the finishing touches to business plan1 and hoping to get this up and running really soon along with some online cash and sats for stuff before it's my local GPS at Westcliff which I think will be the worst attended one unfortunately due to time of year and it being held in August when half of Essex visit Southend but if anyone does come down make sure you get into Old Leigh which is much better than Southend itself imo.

          FML how do you not remember the best part of your weekend bumping into a slightly drunk me in said kebab shop hahaha good to see you both


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 03:54:58 PM
          Well I have just come back from a weekend up in Nottingham for the SPT where I bust in 57th or something having lost a cruical day2 pot with 2pair vs a flush draw and he held to leave me 20bbs and then ground a short stack till the penultimate level of the day before my exit hand where I jammed over a button limp with JQo and 14bigs and the BB woke up with A10 and it was gg me.  Celtic bust 20 mins later so it was off to the kebab house to drown our sorrows together although we both said how much we enjoyed the event even though it nearly kicked off in the smoking area in an alcohol induced row!

          Overall I ran pretty good in other things over the weekend as I backed Tropics @11/2 win and ew and had a losing ew double with Redvers,  Tighty tipped me up Monaco and I had a decent sized wager from Thursday on Raikonen to podium in the F1 along with a match bet on Perez over Sutil which was weighed in early, another winner from Claypole on a Godolphin newbie but lost on under 180's in the darts final to win about 600nett across Sat/Sun. Oh and Vinny bought Nando's which meant I knew I would rungood over the weekend.

          Having been knocked out late Sat night I had already organised a game of golf with Karabiner ( thanks for the invite) at his local course called Woolaton in Nottingham and he sharked me 2&1 but I was fairly happy with how I played having not picked up a club since November in the Caribbean with Demps and the course was in fantastic shape unlike myself although more to come on this later!!

          Also chatted to other Blondeites inc Red, Tikay, Chilli, Tomsom, Alex, Milkshake (who disected how he called me with 9high and was good a cpl of weeks ago), FredW (kidz gonna go close to rivalling my degen past at the rate he is going!!) amongst many others and then Sunday after golf Vinny and myself drove down to Luton and hooked up with Claypole who was on his way to Galway to represent England in the team event at the festival (must be nice to be mates with Jake n Pez is all I can say) but in all seriousness GL to him this week.

          Below are a cpl of clips from last week with Max and Ivy where Max is improving his footie skills and Ivy is getting her first youtube entry on the diary

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ripOgSoFDFs

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8s2uu78bXM

          This week is going to be busy as I am putting the finishing touches to business plan1 and hoping to get this up and running really soon along with some online cash and sats for stuff before it's my local GPS at Westcliff which I think will be the worst attended one unfortunately due to time of year and it being held in August when half of Essex visit Southend but if anyone does come down make sure you get into Old Leigh which is much better than Southend itself imo.

          FML how do you not remember the best part of your weekend bumping into a slightly drunk me in said kebab shop hahaha good to see you both
          Haha dont worry I had not forgot just didnt know whether you would have liked me to say "oh and I bumped into Fran after she tottered out of gatecrasher and saw her order a kebab the size that even Vinny could not finish whilst holding her heels in the other hand"

          Good to see you too!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: littlemissC on July 31, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on July 31, 2013, 04:21:16 PM
          "oh and I bumped into Fran after she tottered out of gatecrasher and saw her order a kebab the size that even Vinny could not finish whilst holding her heels in the other hand"



           rotflmfao

          <3  Fran


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 31, 2013, 04:26:16 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol

          What!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on July 31, 2013, 04:27:23 PM
          Nice Vids Eso and congrats on making day 2, best of luck Sunday.

          P.s Any tips for Goodwood this week plz  ;) ?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 04:57:47 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol

          What!
          My thoughts exactly!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: littlemissC on July 31, 2013, 05:00:30 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol

          What!
          My thoughts exactly!!
          Sorry to disappoint but realised when I got home I'd had vinnies weight in vodka and that kebab was not going to fit in too  ;oopsy;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 31, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
          Nice Vids Eso and congrats on making day 2, best of luck Sunday.

          P.s Any tips for Goodwood this week plz  ;) ?
          Cheers Dreeeeeeeeeeennnnnnieeeeeeee!

          Had a bullet last night to try and add some more chips but 1010 vs AA btn vs SB and we did not get there.

          I have a horse on my list I shall be backing tomoz which I shall post but it's not at Goodwood and another on Saturday for Goodwood but as always they come with a wealth warning  ;)

          How are things with you?  Job/Poker?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: littlemissC on July 31, 2013, 05:03:13 PM
          "oh and I bumped into Fran after she tottered out of gatecrasher and saw her order a kebab the size that even Vinny could not finish whilst holding her heels in the other hand"



           rotflmfao

          <3  Fran

          Would you expect any less m8  rotflmfao


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 31, 2013, 05:23:09 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol

          What!
          My thoughts exactly!!
          Sorry to disappoint but realised when I got home I'd had vinnies weight in vodka and that kebab was not going to fit in too  ;oopsy;

          How did you even get home without opening it? Mine was almost done before I got back to the hotel, which was less than 5 mins away.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: littlemissC on July 31, 2013, 05:46:16 PM
          Hahahaha well that giant kebab was still in my kitchen in the morning unopened so no harm done lol

          What!
          My thoughts exactly!!
          Sorry to disappoint but realised when I got home I'd had vinnies weight in vodka and that kebab was not going to fit in too  ;oopsy;

          How did you even get home without opening it? Mine was almost done before I got back to the hotel, which was less than 5 mins away.
          To busy talking obv lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
          Had a great day off Thursday with Petra and the kids and we strolled the few mins it is to the beach in the afternoon and sat for a bit with some cockles and seafood mix nomnomnom, I seriously love living by the sea in winter and summer and nothing beats walking the dog with him off the lead in the fresh air and dont really see myself living away from this area anytime soon.

          Heres the wee man and cockles



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 02:37:04 PM
          Then the weekend consisted of up and down the M1 or the M11 as I had already built a 17bb stack to take to the Mini deepstack at DTD and having left work on Saturday at 2.30pm I had another stab at merging and managed to bag a further 106k but to get some brownie points had decided to drive back down to Essex to be up with the kids and then drive back up a few hours later so having finally hit the sack at 4am Max woke me up at 6.15am and one hour later this was us walking the dog to get the papers.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKUvoz93xDg

          10.30 and we head back to DTD where we eventually finish 31st out of the 150odd returning day 2 players for £225 just about covering the buyins, food and petrol and maybe could have folded the turn vs Robert Bagley where in hindsight I dont think he is ever bluffing but obv dont have a time machine!

          Punting wise I backed 2 losers across Fri/sat and both were punted off the boards  took 5/2 the night before and 15/8 in the morning and it returned a 5/4 loser and then backed another horse at 10/1 in a big race and then 8/1 which went off 9/2 fav and lost but gained a bit back on Moonlight Cloud yesterday.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on August 05, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
          http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

          There, as promised :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 02:57:32 PM
          Southend Genting Poker Series

          The biggest poker tournament ever to be held in Southend (to my knowledge) is next week with the Essex leg of the GPS and I personally think it will be the worst attended one of the series but hope not as it's unlikely they will come back again if so.
          It will be held here at the Genting Casino on the seafront which used to be known as Spielers or the Westcliff casino and used to be a leisure club many many moons ago and the unused swimming pool and squash courts are still located underneath, Tikay and any of the other oldschool players will remember we used to cramp into a tiny room with no aircon in a lower ground floor part and now the poker area is split level but still no good working aircon.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzboifXAgcE

          It will need a big London turnout to be a success as locally over the past few years when they have tried to get a monthly £250 there has only been 2 tables with no travelling players and IMO am not sure holding the event in the middle of August when the world and his wife from Romford are in town is going to the best time to hold it.

          For anyone travelling down parking is limited on the front for Casino patrons so you are better to head along the front with the sea on your left and where the Arches restaurants are turn right and double back on yourself heading towards the theatre befroe following the one way system round to the top of the cliff where if you follow it along you will be able to park opposite the casino and it's 2 mins walk. For the baller players just park outside of the yellow bays for the caisno and take the £35 ticket that you will definitely get with it being a gold mine for the traffic wardens.

          The Arches restaurants are ok along with 3 Italian restaurants side by side just above them or a bit further along the front there is a decent restaurant called Tolouse which actually used to be public toilets or alternatively if you head to Leigh on Sea you will find a better Broadway with little Boutique shops and bars and restaurants.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
          http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

          There, as promised :D
          Top man, good to see you the weekend bud and no doubt those bits of string hanging out of your shorts legs with get a Saaaafend tan when you are back in the hood!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on August 05, 2013, 03:16:01 PM
          http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

          There, as promised :D

          roffles


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on August 05, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
          Southend Genting Poker Series

          The biggest poker tournament ever to be held in Southend (to my knowledge) is next week with the Essex leg of the GPS and I personally think it will be the worst attended one of the series but hope not as it's unlikely they will come back again if so.
          It will be held here at the Genting Casino on the seafront which used to be known as Spielers or the Westcliff casino and used to be a leisure club many many moons ago and the unused swimming pool and squash courts are still located underneath, Tikay and any of the other oldschool players will remember we used to cramp into a tiny room with no aircon in a lower ground floor part and now the poker area is split level but still no good working aircon.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzboifXAgcE

          It will need a big London turnout to be a success as locally over the past few years when they have tried to get a monthly £250 there has only been 2 tables with no travelling players and IMO am not sure holding the event in the middle of August when the world and his wife from Romford are in town is going to the best time to hold it.

          For anyone travelling down parking is limited on the front for Casino patrons so you are better to head along the front with the sea on your left and where the Arches restaurants are turn right and double back on yourself heading towards the theatre befroe following the one way system round to the top of the cliff where if you follow it along you will be able to park opposite the casino and it's 2 mins walk. For the baller players just park outside of the yellow bays for the caisno and take the £35 ticket that you will definitely get with it being a gold mine for the traffic wardens.

          The Arches restaurants are ok along with 3 Italian restaurants side by side just above them or a bit further along the front there is a decent restaurant called Tolouse which actually used to be public toilets or alternatively if you head to Leigh on Sea you will find a better Broadway with little Boutique shops and bars and restaurants.

          Didnt know you worked for Essex tourism...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 03:28:06 PM
          Southend Genting Poker Series

          The biggest poker tournament ever to be held in Southend (to my knowledge) is next week with the Essex leg of the GPS and I personally think it will be the worst attended one of the series but hope not as it's unlikely they will come back again if so.
          It will be held here at the Genting Casino on the seafront which used to be known as Spielers or the Westcliff casino and used to be a leisure club many many moons ago and the unused swimming pool and squash courts are still located underneath, Tikay and any of the other oldschool players will remember we used to cramp into a tiny room with no aircon in a lower ground floor part and now the poker area is split level but still no good working aircon.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzboifXAgcE

          It will need a big London turnout to be a success as locally over the past few years when they have tried to get a monthly £250 there has only been 2 tables with no travelling players and IMO am not sure holding the event in the middle of August when the world and his wife from Romford are in town is going to the best time to hold it.

          For anyone travelling down parking is limited on the front for Casino patrons so you are better to head along the front with the sea on your left and where the Arches restaurants are turn right and double back on yourself heading towards the theatre befroe following the one way system round to the top of the cliff where if you follow it along you will be able to park opposite the casino and it's 2 mins walk. For the baller players just park outside of the yellow bays for the caisno and take the £35 ticket that you will definitely get with it being a gold mine for the traffic wardens.

          The Arches restaurants are ok along with 3 Italian restaurants side by side just above them or a bit further along the front there is a decent restaurant called Tolouse which actually used to be public toilets or alternatively if you head to Leigh on Sea you will find a better Broadway with little Boutique shops and bars and restaurants.

          Didnt know you worked for Essex tourism...
          Shares in it bud obv  ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on August 05, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
          Balla !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 03:36:53 PM
          http://www.thehendonmob.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

          There, as promised :D

          roffles
          8 pages!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 05, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 04:55:20 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 05, 2013, 04:56:36 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?

          Can't, I'm going to see a burd I now, somewhere in Essex...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?

          Can't, I'm going to see a burd I now, somewhere in Essex...
          shame as we were going to Nando's in your honour somewhere in Essex!!
          You could have had wings and an extra large fino side!!!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 05, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?

          Sounds like you've got the bug again.

          Did you find one of those drivers?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?

          Sounds like you've got the bug again.

          Did you find one of those drivers?
          Haha It was more a case of a text from Dubai "Were playing golf Weds do you fancy taking a sickie?" obv I am having a days annual leave instead.

          TBH not searched yet and you live to far to borrow yours  ;) so the 3 iron it is...

          Funny enough these two want to tee off at 1pm as well  ;carlocitrone;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 05, 2013, 06:52:59 PM
          Shotgun the spare room if I come down.

          Petra did say to me at the weekend I couldn't have my normal bed, as you might be there too. Spose that's fair.
          Sorry forgot to say Nando's is at the top of the high street in Southend just by the cinema.

          Ps if you fancy caddying on Weds I'm playing golf with Dubai and Flushy somewhere in Essex?

          Sounds like you've got the bug again.

          Did you find one of those drivers?
          Haha It was more a case of a text from Dubai "Were playing golf Weds do you fancy taking a sickie?" obv I am having a days annual leave instead.

          TBH not searched yet and you live to far to borrow yours  ;) so the 3 iron it is...

          Funny enough these two want to tee off at 1pm as well  ;carlocitrone;

          I wish that I lived a little closer, where are you playing?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on August 05, 2013, 11:11:48 PM
          Nice Vids Eso and congrats on making day 2, best of luck Sunday.

          P.s Any tips for Goodwood this week plz  ;) ?
          Cheers Dreeeeeeeeeeennnnnnieeeeeeee!

          Had a bullet last night to try and add some more chips but 1010 vs AA btn vs SB and we did not get there.

          I have a horse on my list I shall be backing tomoz which I shall post but it's not at Goodwood and another on Saturday for Goodwood but as always they come with a wealth warning  ;)

          How are things with you?  Job/Poker?

          Sorry only just seen this.

          Not too bad, pretty horrible last couple of life days but w/e, my friend Mel is gonna take me to Southend for there monthly £100 on Wednesday, but after reading some of your comments and the Hendon mob one I'm not so sure now? :/

          Don't wanna go all that way if I'm gonna just get barred due to weirdos colluding etc?

          Any advice appreciated, take care and enjoy your golf day x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2013, 11:33:19 PM
          Nice Vids Eso and congrats on making day 2, best of luck Sunday.

          P.s Any tips for Goodwood this week plz  ;) ?
          Cheers Dreeeeeeeeeeennnnnnieeeeeeee!

          Had a bullet last night to try and add some more chips but 1010 vs AA btn vs SB and we did not get there.

          I have a horse on my list I shall be backing tomoz which I shall post but it's not at Goodwood and another on Saturday for Goodwood but as always they come with a wealth warning  ;)

          How are things with you?  Job/Poker?

          Sorry only just seen this.

          Not too bad, pretty horrible last couple of life days but w/e, my friend Mel is gonna take me to Southend for there monthly £100 on Wednesday, but after reading some of your comments and the Hendon mob one I'm not so sure now? :/

          Don't wanna go all that way if I'm gonna just get barred due to weirdos colluding etc?

          Any advice appreciated, take care and enjoy your golf day x
          The monthly £100 is the only comp I would ever play as it's 5k gtd with 40 players and always makes it, defo go down to play it IMO and the collusion is not that bad.

          Jus dont freak out at the 2005 style bet sizings  ;) and when you make the final you will be the only player not wanting a 6 way chop.

          Might see you there if I get a pass out....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on August 08, 2013, 01:05:47 AM
          Where are u?!

          Bored out my brains waiting for Mel, I'm out already :(

          Guys on cash game are all pretty clicky he already called me out for how I played in the comp in a room full of ppl so I replied www.google.com

          Sigh at u not being here :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 08, 2013, 11:36:17 AM
          Where are u?!

          Bored out my brains waiting for Mel, I'm out already :(

          Guys on cash game are all pretty clicky he already called me out for how I played in the comp in a room full of ppl so I replied www.google.com

          Sigh at u not being here :(
          Sorry Dreenie
          I got in from golf a bit late and after bathing the wee ones I could not secure an evening pass out  :( one of the Luton boys said you were out early, obv saving it for next weeks GPS!

          Golf Day

          Ok as you were aware I was invited to join a pretty exclusive 4 ball yesterday with Dubai, Demps and the fourth member being James Akenhead but unfortunately I run bad in the drawing of partners and me and Shallow were drawn together which if you have ever seen the Crab play poker we were either going to be shaking hands with the boys on the 10th or going to be in for a few £££
          Here we are throwing the balls up for pairs and as you can see from the other photo's we were under it from the first tee as Dubai was already on the Bulmers and by the 5th it had changed to Guinness  :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 08, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
          I played pretty tez myself so was on the Bulmers by the 10th as we had let a 2hole lead slip and I was into one of the James's for £75 although next time the handicap committee will need a review with Demps declaring 18 and shooting 2over on the back and Ake's (yes even I have friends like Claypole now ;) ) off 11 but should be 7.

          On the 15th we had already shaken hands on the match and I had knocked one to about 6ft when I recorded Demps do this having told us the shot he was going to play

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQw5So56NVM

          No word of a lie this is where the balls ended up and you can see the quality of the game by seeing Ake's chip on.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0EA5YfEiU


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 12:38:08 PM
          What a Week!

          We are absolutely under it at work and there are definite signs of a mini boom down here again with fresh houses to the market getting multiple buyers on them. Below is an example where this property came on the market last week and is in a desirable road with estuary views but the owner who has lived in it for 50 years has not extended or improved it for many years and if you spent £150k on it with a side and rear extension making it 5 beds then it would be worth mid to late 700's.

          15 viewings later and an asking price of offers in excess of £500k and we are in receipt of 4 offers and have gone to sealed bids to decide who will get it, it would have been a perfect house for us as a family but has come 1 year too soon although I have to admit to doing some big number crunching to see if we would have a way of financing it.

          This is just one example of how the south east is still booming but imo it is mainly supply and demand in this area driving the prices as even some of the houses that have been on the market for 2 years have sold in the past couple of weeks.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 14, 2013, 12:51:53 PM
          Good to hear things are flying mate!

          My old man is back in the mortgage game now, and is in exactly the same boat at the moment. I think he loves it though, all these hours on the road give him some peace and quiet ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 12:54:57 PM
          Away from that with the weather being pretty incred down here we went for a walk along the front about 10 mins from where we live into "Old Leigh" which is a pretty little fishing village where you can buy fresh fish off the boat or sit outside in a couple of nice pubs and have a beer with some seafood, obv at this time of year the place is pretty rammed as you can see.

          That's Max on the scooter and Petra with the dog in front with me and the pram.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oIPsVSgBE

          Fishing Boats going out for the day

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUxfhFXquCM

          This week see's the Genting Poker series hit Southend which as I posted previously will be the least attended stop of the year but a great tourney none the less and I freerolled my regular investors with %'s carried over if we won a prize in the DTD raffle a few months ago plus a decent % going to the charity as well (in before x % of zip is zip) so as they have a reduced % in the first bullet I am sure the degens are hoping we bink off the 2nd bullet  ;)

          Need to update next time on

          Fit by 40

          Sky Poker

          Business plans...

          GL anyone coming to Southend this weekend.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
          Good to hear things are flying mate!

          My old man is back in the mortgage game now, and is in exactly the same boat at the moment. I think he loves it though, all these hours on the road give him some peace and quiet ;D
          Wow he must "love the game" to go back into Mortgages as lenders dual price constantly and are definitely trying to stop using intermediaries wherever possible down here and for Brokers the proc fees have gone right down so they have to charge the clients arrangement fees themselves just to make up the diff.

          That is one area of the industry I am glad we are not too heavily involved in.

          Does he just do that or other forms of advice ie investment etc?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on August 14, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on August 14, 2013, 01:01:39 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.

          Wow! I mean its a nice house and all that................... but if I had £2m up here, it wouldn't get spent on that!

          Got my 1st viewing in 1 hour Eso!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on August 14, 2013, 01:04:47 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.

          Wow! I mean its a nice house and all that................... but if I had £2m up here, it wouldn't get spent on that!

          Got my 1st viewing in 1 hour Eso!

          Sandmoor innit, possibly the most expensive street in Leeds, backs on to Moortown golf course, Sandmoor 2mins away and alwoodley course 5mins walk.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 01:05:47 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.
          Wow nice pad, bit "Footballers Wives" for me but meh!

          Santander have some good mortgage deals atm but are the slowest due to the uptake but some people are getting scared of missing out again hence the boom here.

          Does your Gf/Wife still work in estate agency?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.

          Wow! I mean its a nice house and all that................... but if I had £2m up here, it wouldn't get spent on that!

          Got my 1st viewing in 1 hour Eso!
          1 viewing 1 sale if the agent is worth his salt from what you told me

          GLGL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on August 14, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.
          Wow nice pad, bit "Footballers Wives" for me but meh!

          Santander have some good mortgage deals atm but are the slowest due to the uptake but some people are getting scared of missing out again hence the boom here.

          Does your Gf/Wife still work in estate agency?

          Yes at weekends. But going to work during week when little ones start nursery and primary school in September.  She makes double her wage in commission alone...she has a real passion for selling houses so it comes easy to her i think. She is always surprised how most people who work in estate agents don't push for all the extra's that make the firm alot in commission, it aint all about just selling the house as you will know more than anyone.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on August 14, 2013, 01:19:50 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.

          Wow! I mean its a nice house and all that................... but if I had £2m up here, it wouldn't get spent on that!

          Got my 1st viewing in 1 hour Eso!
          1 viewing 1 sale if the agent is worth his salt from what you told me

          GLGL

          well we have 2 viewings lined up just to make sure they don't think its a walk over. This guy has 4 days head start so I'm hoping that it will be all over before its begun!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2013, 01:22:32 PM
          I echo your thoughts on the housing market, its absolutely nuts in our area. Our friend just bagged this in our street to sell:

          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42777404.html

          Which is expensive for Leeds/Up north I tell thee, only been on a week and already had lots of offers, enquirers.

          Anything reasonably priced is going for virtually full asking price. Are people getting really good mortgage  deals? seems to be making huge difference.

          Wow! I mean its a nice house and all that................... but if I had £2m up here, it wouldn't get spent on that!

          Got my 1st viewing in 1 hour Eso!
          1 viewing 1 sale if the agent is worth his salt from what you told me

          GLGL

          well we have 2 viewings lined up just to make sure they don't think its a walk over. This guy has 4 days head start so I'm hoping that it will be all over before its begun!
          Just like a night out with you then!  Bdum tish


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 14, 2013, 01:29:26 PM
          Good to hear things are flying mate!

          My old man is back in the mortgage game now, and is in exactly the same boat at the moment. I think he loves it though, all these hours on the road give him some peace and quiet ;D
          Wow he must "love the game" to go back into Mortgages as lenders dual price constantly and are definitely trying to stop using intermediaries wherever possible down here and for Brokers the proc fees have gone right down so they have to charge the clients arrangement fees themselves just to make up the diff.

          That is one area of the industry I am glad we are not too heavily involved in.

          Does he just do that or other forms of advice ie investment etc?

          Just the way things worked out, and I think he is actually enjoying being back in the business.

          I just asked him, but he was on his way out the door so didn't elaborate. He does pension reviews and estate planning as well, but I guess the company has dedicated wealth management staff for anything beyond the reviews.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on August 14, 2013, 06:06:37 PM
          Hunters Estate Agents sponser my football team, we won the league back to back in the last two seasons and won a tournament this weekend, I am thinking I may get a reward of them  2s 3s


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 10:16:02 AM
          Went down to Genting Southend to play the 10seat Gtee which eventually made 19 seats and this goes against what I was thinking would be a lack of runners for the main event which is good for the club, unfortunately I didnt manage to bink so played a bit of cash till 4am and when the 1/2 game broke there was a little omaha game starting so sat down with a few of the old regs who I first started playing with many moons ago just for a chat.

          This man was here also (bald guy at end of the table) Mr Dave Penley but I think he pretty much pure bubbled a sat seat which would no doubt please a few on blonde.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
          Ok so currently sat at work having got in at 4am this morning and Max waking at 5.30 then 6.45am so pretty shattered and have clothing change ready to drive the few mins down the seafront and play 1a of the GPS today starting at 1pm.

          Team for this weekend is as follows  Dr Demps, Shallow, Tikay, Dyl with smaller shares from Bettsy, Milli and Leatherman

          GL us and I shall update chip stack wherever poss on breaks.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 15, 2013, 10:42:34 AM
          Neckbreaking FTW!

          Good luck today mate  :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on August 15, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
          GL Sir Eso of Kral. I believe I owe you some monies. Drop me a text with the amount and I will ship it now. Peace.

          Not seen your shiny bonce for agggggggggggges.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on August 15, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
          Neckbreaking FTW!

          Good luck today mate  :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on August 15, 2013, 02:28:15 PM
          Ok so currently sat at work having got in at 4am this morning and Max waking at 5.30 then 6.45am so pretty shattered and have clothing change ready to drive the few mins down the seafront and play 1a of the GPS today starting at 1pm.

          Team for this weekend is as follows  Dr Demps, Shallow, Tikay, Dyl with smaller shares from Bettsy, Milli and Leatherman

          GL us and I shall update chip stack wherever poss on breaks.

          Did you miss out Calenti or was that because you didn't buy him Lunch?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on August 15, 2013, 05:17:36 PM
          Good luck mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 08:03:33 PM
          We have peaked at 36k twice, been down to 7.4 @ 2/400/50 and now have 28k @ 3/6/75  avg 38k and 4 levels left today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
          14k and life support at last break going 5/1000/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 15, 2013, 10:31:33 PM
          Good luck mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
          Good luck mate
          Cheers Andy

          Dbled vs Ed Gas  he opens I jam QQ and hold vs 68ss on J83ss to get to 30k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 15, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
          Good luck mate
          Cheers Andy

          Dbled vs Ed Gas  he opens I jam QQ and hold vs 68ss on J83ss to get to 30k

          I think that's the first time I've ever anti bokked somebody ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2013, 11:31:42 PM
          Good luck mate
          Cheers Andy

          Dbled vs Ed Gas  he opens I jam QQ and hold vs 68ss on J83ss to get to 30k

          I think that's the first time I've ever anti bokked somebody ;)
          Ha well thanks for the bok as were now out in a hand vs Steve Watts should probs fold but he was table captain and it was such a good spot for him to take off and we lose 88 v 1010

          Back into bat again tomorrow


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on August 15, 2013, 11:39:34 PM
          Unlucky matey, looks like we'll have to see each other tomorrow after all ;stickaforkinme;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 15, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
          Oops! Good luck tomorrow Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on August 15, 2013, 11:51:23 PM
          Unlucky!!! Make it count tomorrow.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 16, 2013, 12:22:16 AM
          Useless.

          Thanks for the chicken things tho.

          Good luck tomorrow.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2013, 07:48:58 AM
          Good luck mate
          Cheers Andy

          Dbled vs Ed Gas  he opens I jam QQ and hold vs 68ss on J83ss to get to 30k

          I think that's the first time I've ever anti bokked somebody ;)
          Ha well thanks for the bok as were now out in a hand vs Steve Watts should probs fold but he was table captain and it was such a good spot for him to take off and we lose 88 v 1010

          Back into bat again tomorrow
          Gimme hh Eso!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 10:58:41 AM
          Good luck mate
          Cheers Andy

          Dbled vs Ed Gas  he opens I jam QQ and hold vs 68ss on J83ss to get to 30k

          I think that's the first time I've ever anti bokked somebody ;)
          Ha well thanks for the bok as were now out in a hand vs Steve Watts should probs fold but he was table captain and it was such a good spot for him to take off and we lose 88 v 1010

          Back into bat again tomorrow
          Gimme hh Eso!
          Probs a bit spewy tbh but I have been on the table for 40 mins which consists of Local cash game grinder (quite creative but spewy) Ed Gas, two ladies, Watto and Chaz and we have jammed twice when I had 11.5k at 1k bb and got it through and then recently doubled vs Ed as reported but were about to go 6/1200/200 into the last level of the day and will need a double through at some point.  Watto has been captain and in the last 30 mins and chipped up very nicely and the coup is   Chaz limps utg for 1k, Local Southend player limps, EdGas limps I find  8d 8s and limp from 27bigs (in hindsight I much prefer raise/fold) Watto without seeing his cards says too many limpers here and checks his cards and I know he is going to raise and makes it 7100 and due to his dynamic I decided if Chaz got out the way I was going to jam over his raise so when Chaz dwell folded I carried on with my plan and didnt get there.

          Just really felt like he squeezes so often light in that spot and folds vs Chaz but I dont expect Chaz to have a value hand here as he is not the type to limp utg


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on August 16, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
           ;dingdell; ;flushy;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 03:26:44 PM
          29.6k from 25kss at first break


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tight4better on August 16, 2013, 03:34:49 PM
          Nice meeting you the other day bud. gl today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 03:43:50 PM
          Nice meeting you the other day bud. gl today
          Cheers you too Councilor Flanagan ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 04:35:51 PM
          Just lost a biggie where i open 44 mp to 450 @ 1/200 flatted both blinds flop  10 4 10   ck ck  me 600  sb C/r to 2400 we flat  turn 5  he bets 4k we are still deep so flat again  river 5 marv so we fold ftl :(  down to 16k now at 150/300/25


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on August 16, 2013, 04:48:20 PM
          Just lost a biggie where i open 44 mp to 450 @ 1/200 flatted both blinds flop  10 4 10   ck ck  me 600  sb C/r to 2400 we flat  turn 5  he bets 4k we are still deep so flat again  river 5 marv and then I chundered everywah so we fold ftl :(  down to 16k now at 150/300/25

          Ul Rich. Sure you'll find a generous soul to give you a courtesy double mind. There's normally one... ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
          Just lost a biggie where i open 44 mp to 450 @ 1/200 flatted both blinds flop  10 4 10   ck ck  me 600  sb C/r to 2400 we flat  turn 5  he bets 4k we are still deep so flat again  river 5 marv and then I chundered everywah so we fold ftl :(  down to 16k now at 150/300/25

          Ul Rich. Sure you'll find a generous soul to give you a courtesy double mind. There's normally one... ;)
          Tyty
          Why you stack merging today ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on August 16, 2013, 05:09:31 PM
          Just lost a biggie where i open 44 mp to 450 @ 1/200 flatted both blinds flop  10 4 10   ck ck  me 600  sb C/r to 2400 we flat  turn 5  he bets 4k we are still deep so flat again  river 5 marv and then I chundered everywah so we fold ftl :(  down to 16k now at 150/300/25

          Ul Rich. Sure you'll find a generous soul to give you a courtesy double mind. There's normally one... ;)
          Tyty
          Why you stack merging today ;)

          Mergers are for banks. I'm more of a construction and demolition kinda guy.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 07:57:54 PM
          Dbled up to 30bbs blinds going 3/6/75


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 08:57:49 PM
          Dbled from 15k to 32k  JJ v AJdd aipf  about to go 4/8/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2013, 10:17:13 PM
          Spot dead, card dead  last break of the day 2levels left got 24k @ 5/1/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 16, 2013, 10:38:02 PM
          Spin it up, spin it up, spin it up!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 12:26:16 AM
          Spin it up, spin it up, spin it up!
          Oioi some Marky Mark rungood itt

          Great last level and bagged up 91k from a 115k peak


          gogogo tomoz now


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 17, 2013, 12:28:56 AM
          Good luck tomorrow 4th best Maltese player x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 12:37:36 AM
          Good luck tomorrow 4th best Maltese player x
          obv ur the best one but who is 2nd and 3rd?  jus cos Gav n Donks have been to Malta that does not make them mafiosi like us...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on August 17, 2013, 01:03:21 AM
          glgl Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 17, 2013, 01:09:39 AM
          Spin it up, spin it up, spin it up!
          Oioi some Marky Mark rungood itt

          Great last level and bagged up 91k from a 115k peak


          gogogo tomoz now

          Happy days, now get that spun up to a millyball!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 17, 2013, 01:17:38 AM
          Good luck tomorrow 4th best Maltese player x
          obv ur the best one but who is 2nd and 3rd?  jus cos Gav n Donks have been to Malta that does not make them mafiosi like us...

          Joe grech and Albert. Any order you like.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 01:41:25 PM
          Well we are here a tad late as had to go into London to pick up the outlaws and caught traffic, in further runbad I seem to have lost my glasses so currently cannot see anything which probs the same as when I play normally

          GL team


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: nirvana on August 17, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
          gl today Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 03:24:05 PM
          gl today Rich
          Wiiii need some mtt rungood itt as at first break we have 52k at 12/24/300


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tight4better on August 17, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
          Gogogo.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 04:37:34 PM
          Gogogo.
          Alas councilor the dream is now over if anyone wants to see the live stream now u will see me make a great fold (results orientated obv) and the next hand getting my comeuppence

          We bust JJ v QQ 5b ai

          Will message backers after weekend


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on August 17, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
          SIDE EVENT :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 17, 2013, 06:50:30 PM
          Oh bugger.

          On the plus side I was too late to bok you :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tight4better on August 17, 2013, 06:52:01 PM
          Bokked alex as well.

          #showers


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2013, 06:52:19 PM
          Oh bugger.

          On the plus side I was too late to bok you :(
          Im still in the side event though £150  avg stack 15665  106 runners left and no word of a lie I have 61000 ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 17, 2013, 06:59:46 PM
          Win that instead then!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 17, 2013, 07:11:04 PM
          Oh bugger.

          On the plus side I was too late to bok you :(
          Im still in the side event though £150  avg stack 15665  106 runners left and no word of a lie I have 61000 ;)

          Nip out and have nine holes you'll be itm when you get back.

          GL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on August 17, 2013, 11:51:43 PM
          Ul in main, nice to see u other day and gl if u still in the side.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2013, 03:16:29 PM
          ^^^
          Had Vinny trying to ring me ALL day yesterday seeing if I was ok as I had not posted since Saturday night and he was worried! Bless!!

          I had no battery on my phone all Saturday aft and evening and then having bust with 10mins of the last level to go with 4 tables left had a family day Sunday before back in work and Monday's are normally our busiest day due to weekend viewings turing into offers.

          GPS Southend
          Well it was my home event and had a deepish run at both tourneys I played with a mid 80s finish in the main where I can have no regrets and I should have probably bust or basically had very few chips left the hand before I actually bust where UTG1 (older than me and solid) opens to 5100 @ 12/2400 from 150k and a guy in the HJ (older than UTG1) jams for 67k and we are sat on the button with  Ac Ks and I folded (in before) as out of the corner of my eye the BB was getting his 58k ready to wager so when the O/R folded we saw 22 from the jammer and  Aspades Kc from the young guy in the BB who 4flushed the older gentleman and would have me as he told me he still overcalls if I do.

          The very next hand Amy Trodd opens to 5000 UTG and I 3B small to 8300 and was going to 5b vs her until a guy who I sat with on 1a and also today who we talked lots about poker and life in general but he was very naive to a lot of stuff in the poker world 4b from the BB and after Amy had folded I 5B all in with JJ and he called with "The Beltons" (QQ) and held.  He had 3b or 4b alot of my opens on day2 so this was fairly std imo but still a bit disappointing to go out then.

          I snap entered the £150 side event and was sat on a starting table with Sin Melin, one of her crowd, Paul "The Biz" from Southend and another fairly competant player and with Sin and her friend defo likely to re-enter and be splashing around I knew we could build a stack in the right coup, so having seen Sin lose 3/4 of her stack and her hoppo 1/2 she opend blind UTG and I had JJ in mp and 3b with her friend and Biz calling and back to her and she shipped for 2k so I jammed to go HU and her friend then says "do you mind if I call" so we have a chat that I am defo re-entering if I bust so yeah ofc call anything and however bad your cards are it really does not matter so we play for a dbl average stack in lvl one with JJ vs Sin's AQhh (blessed) and 68ss and have then dead on the turn.

          Replacing Sin at the table is Skalie who instantly doubles through soemone else and wins another pot and due to his seating and Biz (cant resist a squeeze round the back I decide if the spot falls I will flat a big hand oop so when Skalie opens to 250 @ 50/100 UTG I just flat "Dem Aces" as Biz has the btn and the SB is short but when Biz just flats I am reliant on the SB who does not dissapoint and ships for 1450 so naturally we are delighted when Skalie re-pops to 5k and I stick with the plan and flat the 5k and we are 3 way to the  2s 3s 5d flop at which point Skalie jams and naturally we snap and he has  Ac 5s and we hold despit a spade turn to go over 60k at 50/100.

          Unfortunately the SB was replaced by a dece competent player who knew a few faces and I lose a couple of decent pots to him AK v 99 AIP and flush over house to hover around 40k till the last level of the day where our remaining 39k (avg 50k) went in with AK v AA and we dont ge the gutterball needed to make day2 with a stack.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
          What a Week!

          We are absolutely under it at work and there are definite signs of a mini boom down here again with fresh houses to the market getting multiple buyers on them. Below is an example where this property came on the market last week and is in a desirable road with estuary views but the owner who has lived in it for 50 years has not extended or improved it for many years and if you spent £150k on it with a side and rear extension making it 5 beds then it would be worth mid to late 700's.

          15 viewings later and an asking price of offers in excess of £500k and we are in receipt of 4 offers and have gone to sealed bids to decide who will get it, it would have been a perfect house for us as a family but has come 1 year too soon although I have to admit to doing some big number crunching to see if we would have a way of financing it.

          This is just one example of how the south east is still booming but imo it is mainly supply and demand in this area driving the prices as even some of the houses that have been on the market for 2 years have sold in the past couple of weeks.


          Well after a lot of number crunching and deliberation Petra and myself decided we would be putting just too much strain on ourselves to make this house work with looking to push 2 businesses pretty hard next year and still working so we didnt make a bid.

          But come Monday morning I had 5 bids in writing for this house and it eventually got tied up at £30'000 over the asking price!!

          The market is getting hotter by the day here at the moment but it was a disappointment that it had come 1 year too soon for us as a family as we would never have had to move again  :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2013, 03:39:24 PM
          SKY POKER

          Since Ivy was born I have had to limit my live poker (obv I know I still get out loads) so wanted to start playing some small stakes cash and took the advice of Honeybadger and started using a dormant account on Sky that I opened donkey's ago and as AJR had outed me a long while ago asking if it was me only for me to deny it due to wanting a bit of anonymity (not easy when your SN is Eso_Kral) I can now confirm it is me!

          It was more of a challenge to myself really as I have never really been an online player and used to prefer the live arena and dont have the time for MTT's for obv reasons so set about having deposited £200 playing at JohnBlack stakes of 10p/20p 4 tabling 6max but after 2 weeks moved straight upto 15p/30p and basically gave myself £900 (30 Bi's) and 5-6 weeks down the line having logged on for a few hours here and there and sometimes not playing for a few days if were busy I currently have £529.61 in there having played 14268 hands.

          So after a small sample size we are currently winning 7.7bb/100 over 14k hands but will review after 100k hands and will step up or down accordingly based on 30 Bi's, obviously it is not about the money at these levels but making sure I have good fundamentals and even if I plateu and just win enough to cover some monthly live deepstack I will be happy.

          So if I have badbeat anyone on Sky recently sos!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2013, 04:09:42 PM
          I saw this and thought jeez it's not just me who gets clobbered for dinner with Vinny

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23765911 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23765911)

          It is a very similar pick up to when me and my little furry friend meet up!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 27, 2013, 10:24:03 AM
          Need to speak about the weekend later but am very busy today due to having 2 most senior peeps in the office on annual leave so am currently under it.

          If anyone saw/cared Southend was hit with 2.5 Inches of rain in 1 day over the weekend which created a mini tsunami on the seafront with all the drains blowing and someone created a montage of the events (some of the photo's are a bit blurred but you get the idea)

          Am sure the last one is photoshopped but check out the one at 1.08 as this is right on the seafront by the Kursall

           YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2zYzxzLio


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on August 27, 2013, 07:45:34 PM
          Cheers for today mate, will give u a bell tomorrow if that's ok?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 27, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 28, 2013, 03:51:18 PM
          Cheers for today mate, will give u a bell tomorrow if that's ok?
          Yeah no probs Mike, I hope it all goes well bud.

          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?
          Oioi Mr P, cheers.

          Well funny you should say that as I am just working out a small schedule of liveaments most likely including Deepstack, Ukipt London and GPS Edinburgh but need the final pass out from "wifey" first.

          How is Hungary? and obv grats on the recent binks


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 28, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
          So the weekend just gone was Ivy's Christening and we had about 25 people over at our house for a coffee before the short walk up to the church and then back to ours for a buffet lunch that Petra and her mum had prepared during Friday.

          The timing was impeccable with the rain in Southend ^^^^ see a few posts above abating for the hour and half we were out of the house but kind of ruined the garden party meaning everyone stayed in the house.

          Here are a few photo's of the day including a shot of a chair given by my brother for Ivy with her name and birthdate on it and the garden :(



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 28, 2013, 04:00:10 PM
          ^^
          Oh and the gown that Ivy is wearing is the "Blacklock" christening gown which has been in the family for over 100 years and worn by loads of relatives with the ribbon changing colour from child to child.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 28, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?
          Oioi Mr P, cheers.

          Well funny you should say that as I am just working out a small schedule of liveaments most likely including Deepstack, Ukipt London and GPS Edinburgh but need the final pass out from "wifey" first.

          How is Hungary? and obv grats on the recent binks

          Yeah great, back in a few days though. Still trying to decide whether to move out here long term and if so when. Might see you about at one of the above. Edinburgh is a bit of a trek though! Cheers mate made Budapest a lot of fun.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 28, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?
          Oioi Mr P, cheers.

          Well funny you should say that as I am just working out a small schedule of liveaments most likely including Deepstack, Ukipt London and GPS Edinburgh but need the final pass out from "wifey" first.

          How is Hungary? and obv grats on the recent binks

          Yeah great, back in a few days though. Still trying to decide whether to move out here long term and if so when. Might see you about at one of the above. Edinburgh is a bit of a trek though! Cheers mate made Budapest a lot of fun.


          Ahhhh thought you were going to be out there for a goodly while.

          I love Edinburgh just trying to convince Petra that a few days up north will be good ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 28, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?
          Oioi Mr P, cheers.

          Well funny you should say that as I am just working out a small schedule of liveaments most likely including Deepstack, Ukipt London and GPS Edinburgh but need the final pass out from "wifey" first.

          How is Hungary? and obv grats on the recent binks

          Yeah great, back in a few days though. Still trying to decide whether to move out here long term and if so when. Might see you about at one of the above. Edinburgh is a bit of a trek though! Cheers mate made Budapest a lot of fun.


          Ahhhh thought you were going to be out there for a goodly while.

          I love Edinburgh just trying to convince Petra that a few days up north will be good ;)

          Yeah it was going to be until the end of wcoop originally but Pads is flying back and his gf  is here and I kinda left my uni housemate hanging as we were supposed to be moving to Leeds around this time anyway. Probably going to hang around the UK until after Xmas then come back for a year. Soso much fun. Hows sky going? I might be in Essex shortly seeing a few mates if you fancy a beer?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 28, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
          Congrats on the christening mate. Great family pic.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 29, 2013, 10:06:52 PM
          Good stuff mate, where is your next live adventure?
          Oioi Mr P, cheers.

          Well funny you should say that as I am just working out a small schedule of liveaments most likely including Deepstack, Ukipt London and GPS Edinburgh but need the final pass out from "wifey" first.

          How is Hungary? and obv grats on the recent binks

          Yeah great, back in a few days though. Still trying to decide whether to move out here long term and if so when. Might see you about at one of the above. Edinburgh is a bit of a trek though! Cheers mate made Budapest a lot of fun.


          Ahhhh thought you were going to be out there for a goodly while.

          I love Edinburgh just trying to convince Petra that a few days up north will be good ;)

          Yeah it was going to be until the end of wcoop originally but Pads is flying back and his gf  is here and I kinda left my uni housemate hanging as we were supposed to be moving to Leeds around this time anyway. Probably going to hang around the UK until after Xmas then come back for a year. Soso much fun. Hows sky going? I might be in Essex shortly seeing a few mates if you fancy a beer?
          Yh Coolio let me know when you are around and will hook up.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2013, 11:49:02 AM
          THE LAST WEEK AND ONWARDS

          Wow this is going to be really big TL;DR but meh.

          Last Friday I had to take Petra's folks back to Victoria Coach station so they could get their 24 hours coach back to Slovakia (Petra's mum cannot fly due to a balance problem in her ear so this is the only way for them to get to us) so me and Max went on the tube with them into London and having said goodbye and got on the train to come back there was a man with 3 kids a couple of seats away and the kids are running amok up and down the train and people are getting agitated and eventually someone speaks up and ask's him to control his kids but he sat there completely non-compas until someone asked him again to which he replied he was sorry but he had just come straight from the hospital where he had been given some really bad news about his wife. I really felt for the guy but what can you do and this made think how lucky we are sometimes and also how much I miss my Dad and wish he was here to see the kids growing up especially as he would have been a fantastic Grandad.

          Sunday bought day 2 of the deepstack and I had qualified for £15 and bought a stack of 61200 (20bbs) so felt obliged to try one merge but that didnt end well having 3bet pre k8ss bet flop and jammed turn on 255 5 to get called and looked up by "The Goulder" J2 so having seen a guy open to 12k at 15/3000 from 140k and I have 88 in the BB I ship very first hand thinking it could be a quick visit but hold vs A10dd on KJ9 74 but having chipped upto 285k I really went for the bubble as the payout is soooo flat but lost vs shorties and ending busting in 48th for a min cash of £300.

          Whilst driving up I had read the Racing Post and my only bet of the day was literally ALL IN on Barcelona to beat Valencia last night at 1.61 on the machine with Dubai and my betting accounts at 3/5 and 8/13 so ended up with £900 so to see Barca go 3-0 up was great but then this happened (see full goals) so it was a sweat to the end but had decided to get my betting boots on as it is not often you get that kind of price for Barca and I had it a bit shorter in my eyes.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDSYb-D3J8

          I regged the Super 50 turbo and ended up busting that in 13th with 8 paid so then decided it was a good enough time to set off home and as I was pretty tired I stopped at Newport Pagnall services for a cat nap and a coffee and set about the rest of the way home and was 15mins from home when just after the Wickford turning on the A127 after going over the brow of a hill I was stopped by an accident that had just happened (was 3 cars back) and within minutes the place was swarming with Ambulance and Police and we were held in our cars for 1 hour before being allowed to turn around and go the wrong way along the dual carriageway to the junction  but not before the policeman had told me it was a pedestrian when I asked if it was a motor cycle accident as the was someone on the floor as I got to the scene and I thought wow how sad.

          So either someone has tried to cross a dual carriageway at 2.15am and been hit or thrown themselves in front of an oncoming car and I felt really sorry for the driver as what can you do and what would make someone decide that was the way to do it. All pretty sad really!

          Whilst sat in the car I started to read a magazine that Petra had left in the car as there was nothing else to read and found this pretty inspiring story of a young girl hit with cancer  http://lauralouiseandhernaughtydisease.blogspot.co.uk/p/my-story.html (http://lauralouiseandhernaughtydisease.blogspot.co.uk/p/my-story.html) which again brought it back about my Dad and that he would be proud of some things I had done since he passed and not so proud of others and on my daily drive to work at 8am having got in eventually at 3.45am and Max getting up at 6 I "docked my theoretical cap" to him at his tree on the seafront where we scattered some of his ashes 4 years ago.

          The drive this morning was pretty surreal as I was in a philosophical mood about all the people I see on the route to work as I often travel at the same time give or take a couple of minutes along the seafront.
          The people I see daily are

          2 retired gentlemen who sit having a coffee having cycled from wherever at the same cafe overlooking the see then
          A guy who checks all the parking meters on the seafront looking for an odd bit of change someone has left in there, I know he walks the length as I see him somewhere along the 5 mile walk then
          A guy on his way to work who always wears the same shirt but different colour
          A chap putting out the tables at his seafront cafe to start the day off before I see the
          Dog walker with 2 westies and finally the couple walking to work together

          I wonder about their lives what they think of me as we often exchange glances and do they think "there is suit guy in his golf on his way to work....

          Oh and finally I am selling a package of events on the staking board and there is only 12.5% left so get me while you can  http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=62129.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=62129.0)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 02, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
          Cliffs
          Blah Blah Blah

          Selling a package ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on September 02, 2013, 12:39:52 PM
          Cliffs
          Blah Blah Blah

          Selling a package ;)

           :goodpost:


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 02, 2013, 12:40:41 PM
          Cliffs
          Blah Blah Blah

          Selling a package ;)

          could have put it first.....grasshopper


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on September 02, 2013, 12:43:18 PM
          Good to see you last night Rich, I love your reflections as heading for work, puts reflections into the real world. managed to hold my own versus Frankie but should have stacked him, then a super aggro Pro footy player came to the table, really nice guy, I went missing for an hour then scooped 3 big pots at 2.30am, did I say I was leaving at Midnight???


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on September 03, 2013, 12:46:42 AM
          Sup buddy, enjoyed our game last night! Just wondering where you play on sky, i've started occasionally showing up at some of the low stakes cash tables (5/10p etc) to try and get myself back involved in the online poker world, and I seem to remember that you play on there too? Also, the DOWNSWINGS of property and poker? Shouldn't it be the UPSWINGS? Everyone's so negative these days lol ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CHIPPYMAN on September 03, 2013, 08:55:14 AM
          Nice talking to you on Sunday mate . Always friendly n smiling all the time . See u deepstack if u made day2.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on September 03, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
          Nice Trays Frankie, the pigeon obliged


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 03, 2013, 01:25:27 PM
          Good to see you last night Rich, I love your reflections as heading for work, puts reflections into the real world. managed to hold my own versus Frankie but should have stacked him, then a super aggro Pro footy player came to the table, really nice guy, I went missing for an hour then scooped 3 big pots at 2.30am, did I say I was leaving at Midnight???

          Nice talking to you on Sunday mate . Always friendly n smiling all the time . See u deepstack if u made day2.

          Cheers guys and nice try at keeping me in the game  ;)

          Sup buddy, enjoyed our game last night! Just wondering where you play on sky, i've started occasionally showing up at some of the low stakes cash tables (5/10p etc) to try and get myself back involved in the online poker world, and I seem to remember that you play on there too? Also, the DOWNSWINGS of property and poker? Shouldn't it be the UPSWINGS? Everyone's so negative these days lol ;)

          Oioi  how did the last longer bet go with Belton?

          "Downswings" was Goulders idea  ;)  think he thought it was a downswing after he didnt win his second monte.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on September 03, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
          Sup buddy, enjoyed our game last night! Just wondering where you play on sky, i've started occasionally showing up at some of the low stakes cash tables (5/10p etc) to try and get myself back involved in the online poker world, and I seem to remember that you play on there too? Also, the DOWNSWINGS of property and poker? Shouldn't it be the UPSWINGS? Everyone's so negative these days lol ;)

          Oioi  how did the last longer bet go with Belton?

          "Downswings" was Goulders idea  ;)  think he thought it was a downswing after he didnt win his second monte.

          It was going very well, until we lost a big hand on the final table bubble (guy had three outs, Sean called it in obvs as I was now sitting next to him, cue girly scream when it came). We are left with about 6bbs, We make a final table which coincidentally is also the pure bubble, at which point Sean again calls in the bad beat for me and I get drawn straight into the BB and bust first hand where apparently the maths says I should shove any two :p So Sean won the comp and, more importantly, the last longer. Disaster ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on September 09, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
          Was gud to see u at the weekend m8, told u we should of gone nandos I was never guna let the bubble bubble situation come to play ;) haha.
          Soon as I sat down on your table I knew I'd be fun ;) enjoyed gifting my chips to luckbox Barry lol, was that AA kk picked up within 20mins always helps lol.
          How did u do in the super50!? I'm nt guna check the website ill wait for your reply more fun ;)
          Btw how on earth can the guy in the deepstack call your all in shove utg with k10 after getting a double up!? So sick I mean so bad and then u get another bad call to your all in on the super50! No respect these days.

          I am part of the exclusive ESO meal club!! Yay I've signed up for a 12month contact and enjoyed a Cajun burger with fries (a fair sub for a nandos I suppose but I know vinnys ears will prick up when I even mention the word nandos in a post ;) ) haha .

          Was good meeting u again and will most likely be the Grand Prix when I next see u :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 09, 2013, 09:24:58 AM
          Was gud to see u at the weekend m8, told u we should of gone nandos I was never guna let the bubble bubble situation come to play ;) haha.
          Soon as I sat down on your table I knew I'd be fun ;) enjoyed gifting my chips to luckbox Barry lol, was that AA kk picked up within 20mins always helps lol.
          How did u do in the super50!? I'm nt guna check the website ill wait for your reply more fun ;)
          Btw how on earth can the guy in the deepstack call your all in shove utg with k10 after getting a double up!? So sick I mean so bad and then u get another bad call to your all in on the super50! No respect these days.

          I am part of the exclusive ESO meal club!! Yay I've signed up for a 12month contact and enjoyed a Cajun burger with fries (a fair sub for a nandos I suppose but I know vinnys ears will prick up when I even mention the word nandos in a post ;) ) haha .

          Was good meeting u again and will most likely be the Grand Prix when I next see u :)
          Cheers RPatz

          You are welcome to have joined the exclusive club!!

          Nah bust the super50 6/7 off the money so it was a close but no cigar weekend all around.

          Good to see you again bud and in for the Grand Prix Nando's obv ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on September 09, 2013, 09:26:05 AM
          P.s my food picture won't upload sigh :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on September 09, 2013, 09:29:08 AM
          Grand Prix nandos yeahman!. Oh there's also a beast of a place in notts called 'world buffet' all u can eat with a crazy choice of food it's amazin so that could always be a choice :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 20, 2013, 10:22:18 AM
          Shit diary.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on September 20, 2013, 10:26:20 AM
          Shit diary.

          +1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 20, 2013, 10:56:07 AM
          Nice bump boys will be back with a tale or two soon.

          Luton over the weekend Vinny?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 20, 2013, 11:07:23 AM
          Nice bump boys will be back with a tale or two soon.

          Luton over the weekend Vinny?

          When/what you thinking?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2013, 11:48:18 AM
          Cliffs

          Under it at work

          Winning a little bit

          moved upto 25/50p on advice of Honeybadger

          2 Kids is harder than 1


          Well work is very busy atm with it coming to the last 5 weeks of us being able to sell stuff and get it through by Christmas so with the kids back at school activty and the diary is bulging with good offers coming in and we are on target to turnover £425'000 this year which means since me and the team have been involved we have grown it from £187k (with us in for 6months) to the £425k this year in a timeframe of 29months, not bad in what is still a fairly static price market but very much supply and demand.

          We have done this via good marketing and trying to give the customers what they want in terms of good communication and service and whilst we are the most modern in terms of technology and advertise the most still retain the good old fashioned basics of Estate Agency.  I spoke a while ago about a house that was going through at just over 1Million pounds and that the owner had sadly passed away during the transaction and now that it has gone through I can tell the rest of the story well most of it..

          Basically we were holding a £20k non refundable deposit which the buyer had given me and there was a part of the transaction that the solicitors were not aware of on top of this that had been agreed between vendor and purchaser but sadly our vendor passed away about 2 weeks prior to exchange of contracts and as it transpired when the vendor passed there was an awful lot of people who came out of the woodwork claiming they were owed some ££.  It has taken 4 months for the solicitor to get to a point of cleaning up the finances and for an estate that is worth over 1.2Million the estate is basically bankrupt.

          Unfortunately the solicitors in going through all the paperwork found out we were holding the £20k so this has had to be returned to them as part of the transaction but this is our biggest fee of the year and worth £12500 to the office and £750 to the sales negotiator that tied up the deal.


          Winning a little bit at the moment on Sports mainly on goals betting and the odd tft follow but over the past couple of weeks I have accrued a psoition on a few horses that I fancied ante post for stuff with me putting a few quid on from winnings during the day and somehow have ended up with £211.75 EW on TROPICS at prices from 16/1-14/1 inthe Ayr Gold Cup today and £30EW plus a further £25 win on Our Jonathan 28/1-25/1 in the same race so at 3.55 I could be very happy or very sad. The other horse in the book is Pallasator in the Ces at 12/1.

          The other things I like today are Swindon to beat Bristol City at 11/10 VC, Charlie Austin anytime scorer for QPR v Yeovil and Callum Mcrgegor at 11/2 anytime for Notts County v Tranmere.   GL Punters today!

          I have moved up to 25p/50p on Sky poker after building a roll from an initial deposit of £200 on Sky Poker based on the advice of Honeybadger who told me it needs to hurt a litlle when I lose and that 15/30p where I had built the roll is too small, it has been a touch tougher and I am down a couple of Bi's this week but once I have the Grand Prix out of the way next week I shall set about it again but on the first week of playing it seems nittier than the lower levels and there are defo more regs at this level.

          Finally it has been pretty tough the past few weeks as having 2 dustbins definitely places you under more strain and we are relaxed as people so work together on most stuff but I am not sure we will be going for number 3 just yet, there is just no time in the day as currently my day works like this..

          6.15-30 Get up with Ivy and Max giving Ivy to Petra at 7am when I start to get ready for work and Max stays with me
          7.45 Breakfast with the kids leaving at 8.10 for work.
          6.30 in from work and then bit of time with them before bath time/bed time and downstairs by 7.30.
          Bit of snap before 4x nights a week play 3-4 tables of poker at the levels stated alongside various satty's finishing about midnight
          Rinse repeat...

          In the next couple of weeks I am even thinking of slotting in some work on the business which will be done from 5.30ish getting it ready to launch next January so will survive on 5 hours sleep most nights but I seem to be ok on that much so am pretty cool with it.

          Below is a recent photo from a wedding reception we went to at the East Anglian Railway Museum of Petra and the kids


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 21, 2013, 12:09:38 PM
          Fixed your photo, they look more comfy sitting the right way up...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
          Fixed your photo, they look more comfy sitting the right way up...
          ;)   still working on the pass out son will let you know in a bit if I can buy you dinner...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 21, 2013, 12:31:17 PM
          Fixed your photo, they look more comfy sitting the right way up...
          ;)   still working on the pass out son will let you know in a bit if I can buy you dinner...

          You a man or a... Ok, let me know. I'm going regardless.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2013, 12:33:04 PM
          Fixed your photo, they look more comfy sitting the right way up...
          ;)   still working on the pass out son will let you know in a bit if I can buy you dinner...

          You a man or a... Ok, let me know. I'm going regardless of whether you buy me dinner or not as I will find someone else to pay for me.
          translated means yeah


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on September 21, 2013, 12:49:28 PM
          Nice post max

          Good luck with tropics today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 21, 2013, 04:06:37 PM


          Winning a little bit at the moment on Sports mainly on goals betting and the odd tft follow but over the past couple of weeks I have accrued a psoition on a few horses that I fancied ante post for stuff with me putting a few quid on from winnings during the day and somehow have ended up with £211.75 EW on TROPICS at prices from 16/1-14/1 inthe Ayr Gold Cup today and £30EW plus a further £25 win on Our Jonathan 28/1-25/1 in the same race so at 3.55 I could be very happy or very sad. The other horse in the book is Pallasator in the Ces at 12/1.

          The other things I like today are Swindon to beat Bristol City at 11/10 VC, Charlie Austin anytime scorer for QPR v Yeovil and Callum Mcrgegor at 11/2 anytime for Notts County v Tranmere.   GL Punters today!


           
          Went off 6/1 and got no sort of run  :( another value loser


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on September 24, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 24, 2013, 01:47:36 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on September 24, 2013, 01:50:29 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 24, 2013, 01:52:40 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.
          Never been but obv in next time and if Vinnster does not want to come I will send him over the road with a score and he can eat alone!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 24, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.
          Never been but obv in next time and if Vinnster does not want to come I will send him over the road with a score fifty quid and he can eat alone!

          FYP


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on September 24, 2013, 07:47:07 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.
          Never been but obv in next time and if Vinnster does not want to come I will send him over the road with a score and he can eat alone!

          Why does noone ever go in there! Whenever we go out for food before poker, it's always "lets go nandos.... No, I don't want to queue for an hour, lets go Frankie and Benny's.... Nope, that queue is still too big" "How about that mexican place over there?" "Nope, lets go dusk" "ever been in there?" "Nope, let's go dusk". What is it about that place that turns everyone off lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 24, 2013, 09:59:48 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.
          Never been but obv in next time and if Vinnster does not want to come I will send him over the road with a score and he can eat alone!

          Why does noone ever go in there! Whenever we go out for food before poker, it's always "lets go nandos.... No, I don't want to queue for an hour, lets go Frankie and Benny's.... Nope, that queue is still too big" "How about that mexican place over there?" "Nope, lets go dusk" "ever been in there?" "Nope, let's go dusk". What is it about that place that turns everyone off lol

          The reason no one goes in there is because Sicilian says its good. And we all know what that means...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 24, 2013, 10:07:37 PM
          Next time you are getting munch in try Chiquitos. Much better than that slop you force feed Vinny. Me and Bettsie had a table for 2 the other day. So romantic.

          love chiquitos..although portions not as generous as once was..gotta love the sizzling fajita's as they come to the table..better than that posh KFC tripe

          oioiiiiiii chiquitos love itt. Best BBQ pulled pork I have ever had outside of Augusta (USA) and I make a point of trying it any time I see it on the menu. Even enjoyed the side salad! Good array of cocktails as well.
          Never been but obv in next time and if Vinnster does not want to come I will send him over the road with a score and he can eat alone!

          Why does noone ever go in there! Whenever we go out for food before poker, it's always "lets go nandos.... No, I don't want to queue for an hour, lets go Frankie and Benny's.... Nope, that queue is still too big" "How about that mexican place over there?" "Nope, lets go dusk" "ever been in there?" "Nope, let's go dusk". What is it about that place that turns everyone off lol

          The reason no one goes in there is because Sicilian says its good. And we all know what that means...

          Peasant


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 30, 2013, 02:53:27 PM
          Not reading this diary anymore... it got ur overshove a call... lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on September 30, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
          Not reading this diary anymore



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 01, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
          Shit diary.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 01, 2013, 09:29:08 PM
          You on stars yet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2013, 10:06:59 PM
          You on stars yet?
          Narp bud, am just getting Ukipt and GPS out the way then we will be tangling ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2013, 02:14:09 PM
          I have been redic busy and tomorrow fly to Edinburgh for a few days for the GPS but had to post this as we went to "Old Mcdonalds Farm" the other day and Max took a tumble.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-21EOBaCg

          Like a true pro he got back on the horse steps and carried on!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 08, 2013, 03:05:34 PM
          Probably could see better if his hair wasn't in his eyes!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 08, 2013, 03:06:26 PM
          You playing anything at gukpt next week?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2013, 03:10:54 PM
          You playing anything at gukpt next week?
          Yes I am sure I will be able to buy you dinner once during the week :)

          Did you bag a main seat?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 08, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
          You playing anything at gukpt next week?
          Yes I am sure I will be able to buy you dinner once during the week :)

          Did you bag a main seat?

          I did indeed. Got a good feeling about the week for some reason.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2013, 11:04:31 AM
          Got to Edinburgh and as usual I love it up here. We landed on our feet with the appt and I'm staying with Pleno here with the appt rungood starting for us due to both winning seats in the satty last night despite being the shortest (in before obv) stacks with 20left.

          He joined the exclusive club that Tommy Langley entered as well last week ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 10, 2013, 11:50:58 AM
          (http://www.eikongraphia.com/images/Copyright%20Burj%20Al%20Arab%20%2811%29%20S.jpg)

          Does the apartment look like this?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
          (http://www.eikongraphia.com/images/Copyright%20Burj%20Al%20Arab%20%2811%29%20S.jpg)

          Does the apartment look like this?
          Dont be crazy Tomnicebutdim we would never slum it!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 10, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
          Should hope not!!!! GL this weekend.  Disappointed not to be making it.  I won't believe that pads is a real person till I see him with my own eyes!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on October 10, 2013, 12:47:55 PM
          (http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1996_Trainspotting/996TPT_Ewan_McGregor_101.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: YEAHMAN123 on October 10, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
          GL rich looking forward to hearing how you get on :) ( i expect a deep run )
          slightly gutted ive not made the trip but ive wipped my tears away lol. hopefully see you next week at luton sometime


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 10, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
          (http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/1996_Trainspotting/996TPT_Ewan_McGregor_101.jpg)
          lolz thats the Movember look I am going for ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: muckthenuts on October 14, 2013, 01:23:48 PM
          Genuine pleasure to meet you this weekend mate, hopefully i'll see you around plenty more :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 14, 2013, 01:26:38 PM
          Genuine pleasure to meet you this weekend mate, hopefully i'll see you around plenty more :)
          You to buddy, am sure I will see you soon!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 14, 2013, 01:26:58 PM
          Genuine pleasure to meet you this weekend mate, hopefully i'll see you around plenty more :)

          call


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2013, 02:52:27 PM
          Genuine pleasure to meet you this weekend mate, hopefully i'll see you around plenty more :)

          call
          Bum hunting of the highest degree imo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 15, 2013, 03:09:45 PM
          Mad tekkers imo.  You playing the 6 max this weekend?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 15, 2013, 03:33:09 PM
          Mad tekkers imo.  You playing the 6 max this weekend?
          Unfortunately not but I shall be there for the SPT weekend if you fancy some munchies first?

          Can confirm also that Pads is much smaller in real life than you would imagine!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CHIPPYMAN on October 15, 2013, 05:09:38 PM
          Mad tekkers imo.  You playing the 6 max this weekend?
          Unfortunately not but I shall be there for the SPT weekend if you fancy some munchies first?

          Can confirm also that Pads is much smaller in real life than you would imagine!

          Just under 5 foot ( FIVE FOOT ) but got a big heart and talk lots rubbish !! Lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 16, 2013, 05:01:47 PM
          Right lets get this back on the road then.

          The last couple of weeks I have been rofling around playing a bit of poker and combining it with family, work etc and it is pretty draining tbh.

          UKIPT London was a bit of damp squib as having secured what looked like a decent table draw I moved (first of 6 on day 1a) to a table consisting of Robbie Bull, Ludo, Scotty and Elliot Panyi but managed to bust Aces with Aces before we broke and then moved to a table consisting of Bobba, Tom Langley, Dece young guy, Carlo and then eventually Steve Chidwick before another tough table and eventually busting to Robbie with KK v AK just going into the last level.

          Edinburgh was next and Pleno was staying in the appt I had booked with Dale at Main event travel and they were actually really good value at £210 each for 5 nights and having not spent much time with Pads was slightly apprehensive (love my own space sometimes tbh) to be sharing a room for 5 nights but we got on great and he is a top bloke and enthusiastic about life/poker as he is on Blonde irl.  We started off some rungood by both winning seats to the main in the satty but that was were the comp rungood finished with both day1's blowing out the second more disappointingly where having lost set over gutshot to chip down to 10k and then dbled AK v QQ and finally showing a bluff now we had some chips overcall AKo behind an UTG open to 950 @ 2/400/50 and a further limp as the button had a 100% 3b squeeze on the day and did a similar thing at Southend in the GPS so I was not surprised when he 3b's to 3750 (from 24k ish) and after it folded back to me I 4b to 8900 which after a short dwell he jams and I snap which was met by "S**T" and he flipped 46cc and got there on the turn.

          I just sat there impassive as the board ran out as others play never worries/tilts me as they have paid the same money to enter so can do as they wish but as someone who I know plays those events regularly he must realise there are not many hands that I can ever 4b fold vs stacks so seems pretty avg but we move onwards and after dusting off my remaining 18bbs I sat straight in a 50/£1 game £300 deep and 4 hands in hold for a full double up with AA v QQ and ended up leaving the casino at 3.30am winning 2 bi's.

          The side events were pretty  avg and I made day2 of the £150 side but got looked up after action of utg call, call, call, call, call and I jammed K3hh and 12 bigs from the bb by A8ss and the penultimate limper otb and 13 bigs to exit in 19th place and 11 paid and then in the £50+£25 bounty side event I virtually bubbled against a good friend of mine where I levelled myself with 77 vs his QQ and 1/4 the chips in play (probs my only tez played hand of the weekend) so didnt manage to secure a Scottish flag for the herbiemob.

          Landed back at Southend Airport to find Petra, Max and Ivy waiting and Max had bought along his Trunkie suitcase he recently got as they are going to Slovakia for a month to see the outlaws before Christmas next month and he came running upto me and gave me a big hug which made Petra cry a bit and I knew having spoke to her a few times daily that she found it pretty hard with me being away for 5 days so was glad to have me home like I was to be home.

          It's the first time I have travelled since Edinburgh at the start of the year and there are no plans till the end of the year to travel as I will get the chance to play some poker in November whilst they are away. I actually really like the travelling side and exploring on off days but Petra still prefers to have her creature comforts at home whilst the kids are young.  Whilst there as well as meeting Pads I met "Muckthenuts" Amir who is a top bloke but really loud when drunk! along with some other top people and the atmosphere was really good all around the card room for the whole festival.

          I have a big push on at work for a couple of weeks now to the end of the year stuff and then it is all about 2014 which will prove challenging as I am looking to launch a business in January alongside my work and Petra is stepping up the photography at the end of her 9months maternity leave so it will be all hands to the pump...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 16, 2013, 08:01:57 PM
          Zoom on stars, talk to me......


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 30, 2013, 11:22:39 AM
          Well I have literally been in just browsing mode over the past week or so as been very busy at work and a few probs on the home front nothing too serious just family life obvs

          Here are the kids recently taken at home in the studio part that Petra uses for work.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/October1.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/October3.jpg)

          finally just Ivy

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/October2.jpg)

          Sleeping is an absolute nightmare at the moment and we were quite lucky with Max as he slept through from about 2 months old but Ivy is the polar opposite whcih is where the problems come in as our routine is that I look after Max and if he wakes I get up with him and Petra Ivy, but Ivy is getting up 3-4 times a night and due to the noise she makes Max is waking up and takes 15-20mins before he goes off again and therefore I am awake when she wakes or he does in turn leading to us both being completely ratty  and seems to be a vicious circle.

          So online pokering has taken a back seat as has everything else and this week I have turned down dates with some hero's out in London and a day at the races on saturday as the grief I would get is not worth it especially when next Friday Petra is heading to Slovakia to the outlaws for 1 WHOLE month with the kids so I will have plenty of time for galivanting around enjoying myself....

          Having 2 kids is defo harder than I thought it would be and although we wanted one more I do not envisage that happening in the near future!

          On the punting front I had a couple of excellent winners about 10 days ago with a chunk on Cheveton at 6/1 then lumping on Baarez in a maiden at 10/11 into 1/2 but then I did it all back on some poorly judged stuff so have gracefuly retired from punterting for a day or two ;)

          Finally as in a couple of days it is November I am going to give my top lip to chairty again for MOVEMBER and anyone wishing to donate to this mens health charity (cmon guys) can click on the link in my sig and donate that way, this year I am going to be going for the full tache and sides as there is no pressure to look anything but ridiculous with Petra being away and the tache shall be on full display at the following poker venues  DTD 8-10/11  Genting Luton 14th -17th and most likely a last hurrah at UKIPT 6max at DTD at the end of the month before I fly to Slovakia for a few days and then back with the family.

          I am also hoping to get some hands on a pair of tickets for England vs Germany at Wembley for the 19th November and will most likely auction this off as a dinner with me and the match with the winner donating the amount through the Movember page so watch this space...
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/blackwoodmove1.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on October 30, 2013, 11:36:47 AM
          Justice for having such run good with Max! Amelie didn't sleep through til about 8 months! Feel your pain though.

          Norrrrrr do a raffle for footy tickets instead. £10 or £20 a throw and then you could do an online stream when you pick the winning ticket!


          Nice photos, think I will be getting the wicker basket out myself. :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on October 30, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
          Ideally, the tash will look something like this:

          (http://0.tqn.com/d/menshair/1/0/Q/A/-/-/01.jpg)

          okthxbye


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 06, 2013, 10:49:51 AM
          Ideally, the tash will look something like this:

          (http://0.tqn.com/d/menshair/1/0/Q/A/-/-/01.jpg)

          okthxbye

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/MovemberDay6.jpg)

          Getting there bud!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 06, 2013, 11:06:26 AM
          CAn you not do DTD Thursday?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 06, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
          CAn you not do DTD Thursday?
          Nah as Petra flys on friday afternoon so Luton is on the doorstep to Nottingham yeah?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 06, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
          Aye, would seem ridiculous not to go to Nottingham considering how close Luton is.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 06, 2013, 02:30:47 PM
          Aye, would seem ridiculous not to go to Nottingham considering how close Luton is.
          I assume you may want a lift once you bust the Thursday one in level 10?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 06, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
          Ha, nah, only gonna play Thursday. Luton Friday with claypole.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 08, 2013, 09:07:11 AM
          Genting Season 3: April 9-13 Genting Club Southend   £400+£40 £125,000

          Ship the missus off to Bratislava ;) and we'll make a wknd of it.

          Shotgun the master bed.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 08, 2013, 05:15:49 PM
          Ship the mrs off and shotgun the master bed?

          Something's not right with that sentence.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 09, 2013, 06:21:36 AM
          Dropped Petra and the Kids off at Luton :( at 2.30pm and left at 3pm heading straight up to DTD for "The Big Game" which went well and having driven back down to Essex (just got in) and walked the dog I am now going to sleep before returning for a 2pm start with 96800 @ 5/1000.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CHIPPYMAN on November 09, 2013, 09:10:25 AM
          Dropped Petra and the Kids off at Luton :( at 2.30pm and left at 3pm heading straight up to DTD for "The Big Game" which went well and having driven back down to Essex (just got in) and walked the dog I am now going to sleep before returning for a 2pm start with 96800 @ 5/1000.



          Well done mate . See u later


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 09, 2013, 09:11:16 AM
          Dropped Petra and the Kids off at Luton :( at 2.30pm and left at 3pm heading straight up to DTD for "The Big Game" which went well and having driven back down to Essex (just got in) and walked the dog I am now going to sleep before returning for a 2pm start with 96800 @ 5/1000.



          Well done mate . See u later
          Cheers mate



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on November 09, 2013, 10:47:05 AM
          Good to c ya last night, run deep fella


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 09, 2013, 10:52:05 AM
          Shocking moose tash

          (http://www.moustachemadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/John-Travolta-Handlebar-Moustache.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on November 09, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
          good luck Eso, ship the lot!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on November 10, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
          Well done in Big Game pal


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 10, 2013, 12:59:56 PM
          Cheers all  vvvvv tired :(

          @Verndog  nice to meet you buddy!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: taximan007 on November 10, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
          Congrats on your result wp


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 10, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
          Congrats on your result wp
          TYVM Graham

          How are things with you and when can we see an update of what you have been upto recently?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: taximan007 on November 10, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
          Congrats on your result wp
          TYVM Graham

          How are things with you and when can we see an update of what you have been upto recently?

          Things are good thank you, bit of a concern on Friday with the latest Typhoon to hit but fortunately like most of them it hit the South/Centre of the country and blew out to sea before it reached the family, mixed feelings though as latest reports are saying possibility of 10,000 dead! I doubt they will ever know the true figure.

          Haven't updated recently as I don't think anything of much interest has been happening, although I MAY have something to relate in the next week or two.........


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2013, 12:48:03 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Movember12.jpg)

          So the journey started on Friday taking Petra, Max and Ivy to Luton airport for their month long sabatical to Slovakia where they will have a great time and I am joining them on Weds 4th Dec for the last week before we all fly back together.  having stopped and had a coffee with them they headed off to the gate and I wondered how Max would be but he was fine and thinks Daddy is coming on a bigger plane in a couple of weeks and I got the message to say they were already there whilst at DTD.

          The journey having left them was a nightmare with the usual Fri afternoon traffic plus the odd accident and whilst sat motionless for 40mins just past Leicester services and with no food in the car I decided to see if there were any goodies at all in the glove box so was delighted to find a mini chomp and a celebrations size bounty, now I dont know how long they have been there or whether eating chocolate that is faded in colour is a good thing but I was absolutely hank so took the gamble.

          Unfortunately I was not motionless in the early hours of the morning!!

          Played snug in the big game and was under avg until the last level when I opened KJss in MP and got flatted by "Milkshake" and also Carla Goddard and we saw a rather boring  Ts 6h 2d flop so I cbet into them for 40% pot and the both peeled and in my head I am screaming "please turn me some spade equity" and was rewarded with the  3s so barrelled 1/2pot again and just Milkshake called which left me 90% pot back which I was giving up on unless we binked so it was an easy shove on the 5s river and he snapped me with AA and I was over 100k for the first time and bagged 96800 to come back with on Saturday.

          Being me I then left at 3am and drove down south as the dog had been on his own since 1pm and having stopped off at the office at 5.30 to pick up my phone charger and leave a note for the boys to say I would not be in that day it was walk the dog 6am and 2 1/2 hours sleep before waking to again walk the dog, have some breakfast and then meet Vinny and Claypole to drive back to DTD and luckily Claypole was driving so I could rest up (good decision Claypole ;) )

          We know now that it was a successful tourney for me and the staking team and hopefully can carry some rungood to Luton this week for the boys as well.

          It's pretty quiet at home but gives me a chance to catch up on some stuff as well as work on the business plans for 2014.

          Thanks for all the messages over the weekend of support and for Milli updating the thread as I still have phone issues but hopefully they will be resolved on Thurs...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: atdc21 on November 12, 2013, 03:04:22 PM
          Hi Rich, spoke on here couple of times, well done on recent result, glad to see your busy days were rewarded with a bink.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 12, 2013, 03:11:51 PM
          If you throw enough shit at the walls...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: atdc21 on November 12, 2013, 03:42:42 PM
          lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2013, 04:00:50 PM
          Hi Rich, spoke on here couple of times, well done on recent result, glad to see your busy days were rewarded with a bink.
          TYVM hopefully you can post here same time next week when we ship the Luton tourney ;)

          If you throw enough shit at the walls...
          I used to like you x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on November 12, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
          If you throw enough shit at the walls...

          Name of Scottish DIY manual ?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on November 12, 2013, 06:42:54 PM
          amazed you won a hand with a spade flush when carla 'never folds spades' goddard was in the pot

          respect


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on November 12, 2013, 09:02:55 PM
          amazed you won a hand with a spade flush when carla 'never folds spades' goddard was in the pot

          respect
          This


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2013, 09:06:51 PM
          amazed you won a hand with a spade flush when carla 'never folds spades' goddard was in the pot

          respect
          This
          She wasn't very happy and less so when I called her on day2 with King High and was good ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 13, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/day13.jpg)

          13 days in and the tache is coming on good and yesterday I spread the power of Movember speaking to the general public about it when they enquired why I was growing a mo and after telling them they kindly gave me a tenner which went on T1 in the 4.49 Monmore in the Mo Box we have in the office for customers or window lookers with their ice creams in hand down from Romford for the day seeing how much the houses are.

          Pretty quiet at work at the moment and the good folk of Thorpe Bay definately seem to be winding down to Christmas which is the worst part of the year for us and makes the days drag. normally by this date we will have sold 8 houses and put 8-10 properties on the market and so far this month it is 4 sales and 4 on the market so just show the volume is not there :(

          Looking forward to the next few days though which consist of

          Day off Tomorrow - few jobs around the house, dinner with Vinny and then Day1a of Luton Genting comp

          Friday Work followed by an early leave to meet Ed Gascoigne (Father G cannot get back from Cheltenham in time) at Wembley for a meal and drinks folllowed by the match vs Chile

          Saturday Work followed by Day 1c of comp if required

          Sunday hopefully Day 2 and another final for the boys in the staking thread.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 13, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
          I probably know this, but how did you end up moving from the midlands to Essex? Work?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 13, 2013, 11:00:42 AM
          I probably know this, but how did you end up moving from the midlands to Essex? Work?
          In the middle of my gambling problem (in b4) I was working at a bookies pre slipcatcher time and was scamming them a bit by folding slips through the camera then writing small winning bets on and nicking a few quid here and there but I got greedy and got caught out and it coincided with a relationship breakdown and I really wanted away so moved for a few months to live with my Mum whilst deciding what to do and then loved it down here and went from Gants Hill > Hornchurch (met Petra) > Southend > Leigh on Sea!

          You?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 13, 2013, 11:02:57 AM
          Wish my story was a sexy as yours. I moved down because my parents felt they couldn't leave me alone in Scotland, despite me being almost 11.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 15, 2013, 01:54:08 PM


          Here we are today at work along with grinding Blonde and the bible with me not looking bad having got in at 4am and up at 7.30!!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Busyatwork.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/village-people.jpg)
          Got hit on today by gay Dan at work after my moosetache photo was circulated and he wants me to go dressed like this to the xmas do!

          Obv pick which one you like, but I thought I would get into character

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Y.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/M.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/C.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/A.jpg)

          Out tonight with EdGas to Wembley for a meal followed by the England vs Chile match and will get to see Lamps pick up his golden cap and in a nice touch he will be with his dad who I met when he was doing some property development in Ilford when I first moved down here and his 2 sons.
          Really looking forward to it as it is the first England match I have been to and Ed is obv great company and then tomorrow it's a bit of work followed by another stab at the Luton biggie!!



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 15, 2013, 02:25:03 PM
          Ropiest "C" I have ever seen.

          Shocking that Ed won, I can imagine the convo now.. "Oh this is such good fun this soccer lark, I can't wait until the midway interval for some champers, oh go on Lamps, kick it old boy, yah, that's the spirit"

          #notbitter


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 15, 2013, 03:14:25 PM
          Ropiest "C" I have ever seen.

          Shocking that Ed won, I can imagine the convo now.. "Oh this is such good fun this soccer lark, I can't wait until the midway interval for some champers, oh go on Lamps, kick it old boy, yah, that's the spirit"

          #notbitter

          How exactly does one dress for a football match?

          I've done my best, sure Eso will confirm that I look absolutely the part later.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 15, 2013, 03:22:11 PM
          The more layers the posher.

          (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)

          I'm a one maybe 2 layers type person, a step or two up from this guy:

          (http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/nufc-tattoo.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on November 15, 2013, 03:24:05 PM
          I'll give a ton to Esos charity if you both get your face painted with the England flag and post pics on here

          Gotta be both of you tho :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 15, 2013, 03:27:52 PM
          I'll give a ton to Esos charity if you both get your face painted with the England flag and post pics on here

          Gotta be both of you tho :)

          I'm that hungover and pasty my face already resembles said flag! I'm up for though - seems a more reasonably option than getting NUFC tattooed across my gut.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 15, 2013, 03:35:59 PM
          I will also donate some more for face paints. Charity yo!

          Here is me absolutely busted during an all dayer before England v Croatia when we failed to qualify, unfortunately for me these were both taken before kick off.


          (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/slumped_zps3d094854.jpg)

          as you see I alternated between 1 and 2 layers, didn't want anyone thinking I was trying to be posh or out

          (http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff384/Milligan84/croatians_zpsabf7bf67.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on November 16, 2013, 02:25:24 AM
          Such a hero Milli.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 16, 2013, 12:22:29 PM
          Just a quick one to thank Rich again for a great evening yesterday. Whilst the England team were severely mediocre, Rich was excellent company and the whole experience was great - cheers.

          As an aside, I see the hospitality brigade taking a lot of stick in the press - not turning up on time, not making enough noise, but most of all being back late to the seats after half-time.

          All I would say on this is how is a chap supposed to back for the off if there is a twenty minute wait for Jeeves to bring over a glass of fizz and a prawn sandwich or two? Preposterous ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2013, 02:00:44 PM
          Such a hero Milli.

          I'll give a ton to Esos charity if you both get your face painted with the England flag and post pics on here

          Gotta be both of you tho :)
          Here you go mate we decided to try and get on the telly but having watched the replay not sure we did?

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/richned.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2013, 02:40:04 PM
          Just a quick one to thank Rich again for a great evening yesterday. Whilst the England team were severely mediocre, Rich was excellent company and the whole experience was great - cheers.

          As an aside, I see the hospitality brigade taking a lot of stick in the press - not turning up on time, not making enough noise, but most of all being back late to the seats after half-time.

          All I would say on this is how is a chap supposed to back for the off if there is a twenty minute wait for Jeeves to bring over a glass of fizz and a prawn sandwich or two? Preposterous ;)
          Cheers Ed
          Thank you for donating and coming last night, you were also excellent company! (I shall post some pics of Ed's chosen footie attire but he would have won best dressed male foshow)

          Ed ran pretty bad in the flips that we discussed over dinner and we had £20 a pop on 7 markets with us taking it in turn to decide which side we were on and the bets were, with my side to the right
          Even/Odd total corners   -     Even
          Even/Odd time of first goal minute  -  Odd
          First goal on or before 27mins   -  Before
          Time of last goal on or after 77mins  - After
          Team to be carded first   - England
          Team to be carded last    - England
          Shirt numbers odd or even   - Even

          I had also backed earlier in the week BTTS and when Chile scored early on I thought I was freerolling the bet cos surely England will score and I declared "If I dont cop that bet I will retire" (obv never gonna happen) and into injury time I was losing all bar 1/1 of the flips but we didnt know how many corners at this point till Alexis scored his second in the 94th minute which meant I scooped  over mins, moved from odd shirts to even and we then found out that there were 12 corners so won that as well and Ed had unfortunately had a £60 swing which resulted in me winning 5-2 so that is a further £60 to Movember tyty Mr G.

          England were pretty tez though and then not having gone via tube/train before I had to endure this ( obv photo not from last night)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/wembleyway.jpg)

          So it took nearly 1 hour from the end of the match to get on the tube and then in true commuter fashion I missed my station stop as I was sleeping on the return leg by 3 stops and ended up in the centre of Southend and I was buggered if I was going to wait for the train the other way so got a taxi back home!

          Tonight it's back to Luton to try and make day2 in the £200..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on November 16, 2013, 04:52:29 PM
          Would you really not get your face painted for a hundo to your charity ?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 16, 2013, 04:56:02 PM
          Would you really not get your face painted for a hundo to your charity ?
          100% I would have bud but didnt see the post during the day as left work at 3.30 before heading to Wembley and Ed never mentioned anything till H/T.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 16, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
          Would you really not get your face painted for a hundo to your charity ?
          100% I would have bud but didnt see the post during the day as left work at 3.30 before heading to Wembley and Ed never mentioned anything till H/T.


          Was a bit of  a gaff on my part - headed straight to stadium from the station thinking 'there'll be someone doing it in the ground'....then there wasn't. Assumed Rich had been on the same wavelength when he arrived but turned out he hadn't seen the post from Dubai at all so first he heard was from me :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on November 16, 2013, 05:05:49 PM
          Would you really not get your face painted for a hundo to your charity ?
          100% I would have bud but didnt see the post during the day as left work at 3.30 before heading to Wembley and Ed never mentioned anything till H/T.


          Yeah I thought you would've, will let you off then :P

          If I can actually make some money at this silly game before end of month will flick.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2013, 05:06:07 PM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 16, 2013, 05:36:40 PM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Mate, there wasn't even a shoe shine stall!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on November 16, 2013, 05:41:06 PM
          Only option has to be meet up on Tues and get shit done surely!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Mate, there wasn't even a shoe shine stall!

          Shocking, what is one supposed to do if they have a spoiled loafer?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 16, 2013, 05:53:11 PM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Mate, there wasn't even a shoe shine stall!

          Shocking, what is one supposed to do if they have a spoiled loafer?

          Parker carries a kit with him at all times. Failure to plan is planning to fail.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on November 16, 2013, 06:00:17 PM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Mate, there wasn't even a shoe shine stall!

          Shocking, what is one supposed to do if they have a spoiled loafer?

          Parker carries a kit with him at all times. Failure to plan is planning to fail.

          s'all good then brah.

          In the military they had a saying which I was never much a fan of; "Piss poor planning prevents piss poor performance.." I prefer the slight modification to your one "failing to prepare is preparing to fail".

          Jeaves must be a poor man's Parker then! I am currently enquiring into sourcing a Manuel. Manuels are about the 6th step down on the servantometer.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on November 17, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
          Lies, all lies.

          Someone doing it in the ground.. Love it! Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a face painter next to the shoe shine stall?? :)


          Mate, there wasn't even a shoe shine stall!

          Shocking, what is one supposed to do if they have a spoiled loafer?

          Parker carries a kit with him at all times. Failure to plan is planning to fail.

          s'all good then brah.

          In the military they had a saying which I was never much a fan of; "Piss poor planning prevents piss poor performance.." I prefer the slight modification to your one "failing to prepare is preparing to fail".

          Jeaves must be a poor man's Parker then! I am currently enquiring into sourcing a Manuel. Manuels are about the 6th step down on the servantometer.

          Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance was the one we got in civvy street.

          Oh, and "Plan your work, work your plan"

          Meh.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on November 17, 2013, 08:48:04 AM
          At Raleigh we had 'prior preparation prevents piss poor performance'

          Although, my first memory of basic training was marching down from new entry to Cunningham, and my instructor saying 'Herron, if you don't stop tick tocking I will cut your f***ing legs off you fat ****' :D

          Nowadays it's probably more 'Excuse me Mr Herron, Sir. If possible could you address the manner in which you are marching, it doesn't seem to be quite correct. Thanks you so much'


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2013, 11:00:57 AM
          Day2 made at Luton with 119400 going back to 1/2000/200 and had a few interesting hands!

          I am double tired as got in at 1am Sat morning and was in the office at 8 working till 5pm and then went home walked the dag, drove to Luton, played and finished at 2.45 but the M25 was closed on the way back so the detour meant getting in at 4.30 and was up at 8.15 to speak to Petra in SVK before coming to work for a few hours and leaving for Luton at 12.45.

          Vinny better buy me lunch today is all I can say!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on November 17, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
          Day2 made at Luton with 119400 going back to 1/2000/200 and had a few interesting hands!

          I am double tired as got in at 1am Sat morning and was in the office at 8 working till 5pm and then went home walked the dag, drove to Luton, played and finished at 2.45 but the M25 was closed on the way back so the detour meant getting in at 4.30 and was up at 8.15 to speak to Petra in SVK before coming to work for a few hours and leaving for Luton at 12.45.

          Vinny better buy me lunch today is all I can say!!

          Good luck! :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 17, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
          Day2 made at Luton with 119400 going back to 1/2000/200 and had a few interesting hands!

          I am double tired as got in at 1am Sat morning and was in the office at 8 working till 5pm and then went home walked the dag, drove to Luton, played and finished at 2.45 but the M25 was closed on the way back so the detour meant getting in at 4.30 and was up at 8.15 to speak to Petra in SVK before coming to work for a few hours and leaving for Luton at 12.45.

          Vinny better buy me lunch today is all I can say!!

          Good luck! :D

          +1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on November 17, 2013, 12:39:43 PM
          Good luck on both counts.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2013, 02:17:21 PM
          Good luck on both counts.
          Cheers Ralph but think I have more chance in the comp :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on November 17, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
          Best of British mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2013, 02:33:14 PM
          Best of British mate
          Cheers Wrighty


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on November 17, 2013, 02:42:45 PM
          Glglgl Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2013, 02:47:28 PM
          Glglgl Rich.
          Cheers Ed and thx for paying ur gambling debts up ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on November 17, 2013, 02:48:17 PM
          oi oi, only just got your voicemail from week ago lol

          My phone must have sent it to "spam folder" :) :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2013, 03:12:18 PM
          Pretty incredible how Movember has grown from just 30 people in Australia to today..

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deUJDzo3eTo

          Today an old boy who's house we recently sold came in and asked about it and had never heard so it just shows how the awareness part works.

          Here I am today with Scott in the office

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Day191.jpg)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on November 19, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
          Is it coincidence Petra finds this time to leave the family home? :P


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2013, 03:41:56 PM
          Is it coincidence Petra finds this time to leave the family home? :P
          Haha that is what she posted on FB just as she was leaving.

          Not fancy it yourself, as you have shown an ability of growth in other areas ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on November 20, 2013, 05:11:42 AM
          Is it coincidence Petra finds this time to leave the family home? :P
          Haha that is what she posted on FB just as she was leaving.

          Not fancy it yourself, as you have shown an ability of growth in other areas ;)

          My rugby team at uni did it every year as a tradition but I only managed it once. I bloody hate shaving so I probably should next year. I need to remember to ask my mum to sort out donations to you/Sean, it seems a waste not to take the giftaid. If I forget please remind me! See you in Notts for ukipt?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 20, 2013, 09:01:43 AM
          Is it coincidence Petra finds this time to leave the family home? :P
          Haha that is what she posted on FB just as she was leaving.

          Not fancy it yourself, as you have shown an ability of growth in other areas ;)

          My rugby team at uni did it every year as a tradition but I only managed it once. I bloody hate shaving so I probably should next year. I need to remember to ask my mum to sort out donations to you/Sean, it seems a waste not to take the giftaid. If I forget please remind me! See you in Notts for ukipt?
          Yeah definately mate, I am picking up Pads at Luton on Thurs afternoon and then heading up playing the side Thurs night, 1c and side on Sat if required.  Looking forward to it!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on November 20, 2013, 06:46:24 PM

          Nice win there for Sirius 8/1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on November 23, 2013, 12:11:05 AM
          Thanks for dinner mate....couldnt put it on facebook..I will add petra as a friend tho ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 23, 2013, 12:12:11 AM
          Thanks for dinner mate....couldnt put it on facebook..I will add petra as a friend tho ;)

          +1



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 23, 2013, 12:01:09 PM
          Thanks for dinner mate....couldnt put it on facebook..I will add petra as a friend tho ;)

          +1


          You are both welcome courtesy of the magic wheel.

          Met up with Vinny, Claypole and Trigg for a meal at "The G" and then we all late regged the comp and as everyone is skint we went dutch on the meal except for Vinny who had forgotten his wallet at home and having busted the comp trying to dust off my remaining 5k chips so I could re-enter in the last 3 hands of late reg with 16k I was kindly given a £5 casino chip and a seat draw between Vin and Shaun and Trigg on the table as well. So in the break as the boys went out for a fag I placed £5 on 28/29 split   bink 28 then stick the lot on around zero  bink 32 for a split and £5 straight up and take £200 taking the money off 32 and placing it all around tier but it span 32 again which was a bit meh!

          Reimbursed the boys with their £20's and then lost the last longer to Gavlar and was tucked up by 1pm like a good boy.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on November 23, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
          Thanks for dinner mate....couldnt put it on facebook..I will add petra as a friend tho ;)

          +1


          You are both welcome courtesy of the magic wheel.

          Met up with Vinny, Claypole and Trigg for a meal at "The G" and then we all late regged the comp and as everyone is skint we went dutch on the meal except for Vinny who had forgotten his wallet at home and having busted the comp trying to dust off my remaining 5k chips so I could re-enter in the last 3 hands of late reg with 16k I was kindly given a £5 casino chip and a seat draw between Vin and Shaun and Trigg on the table as well. So in the break as the boys went out for a fag I placed £5 on 28/29 split   bink 28 then stick the lot on around zero  bink 32 for a split and £5 straight up and take £200 taking the money off 32 and placing it all around tier but it span 32 again which was a bit meh!

          Reimbursed the boys with their £20's and then lost the last longer to Gavlar and was tucked up by 1pm like a good boy.

          That is such a school boy error Rich. I thought you would have known better.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 23, 2013, 01:01:12 PM
          Thanks for dinner mate....couldnt put it on facebook..I will add petra as a friend tho ;)

          +1


          You are both welcome courtesy of the magic wheel.

          Met up with Vinny, Claypole and Trigg for a meal at "The G" and then we all late regged the comp and as everyone is skint we went dutch on the meal except for Vinny who had forgotten his wallet at home and having busted the comp trying to dust off my remaining 5k chips so I could re-enter in the last 3 hands of late reg with 16k I was kindly given a £5 casino chip and a seat draw between Vin and Shaun and Trigg on the table as well. So in the break as the boys went out for a fag I placed £5 on 28/29 split   bink 28 then stick the lot on around zero  bink 32 for a split and £5 straight up and take £200 taking the money off 32 and placing it all around tier but it span 32 again which was a bit meh!

          Reimbursed the boys with their £20's and then lost the last longer to Gavlar and was tucked up by 1pm like a good boy.

          That is such a school boy error Rich. I thought you would have known better.
          Obv out of touch with the Roulette boy's as it was first time I have stuck a bet on the wheel this year ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on November 26, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
          I couldn't find a link to your Movember, so I donated here http://uk.movember.com/mospace/7548401 instead. We can flip or pitch and toss for a donation on yours too. Gambool!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 27, 2013, 10:07:40 AM
          I couldn't find a link to your Movember, so I donated here http://uk.movember.com/mospace/7548401 instead. We can flip or pitch and toss for a donation on yours too. Gambool!
          Cheers Pal
          I am sure we will find something to flip for over the weekend ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on December 02, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
          where do you want your 25 movember beans?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 02, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
          where do you want your 25 movember beans?
          Cheers bud, here is best place.

          http://uk.movember.com/mospace/ (http://uk.movember.com/mospace/)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 03, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
          Off to Slovakia tomorrow to see Petra and the kids for the first time in 4 weeks, it has gone quick but have missed them so really looking forward to going.

          Need to look at the list of jobs she left me to do before she left...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 03, 2013, 10:48:39 PM
          Did you have a blow up at the g on Sunday?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2013, 04:21:51 AM
          Safe flight mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 04, 2013, 09:20:17 AM
          Did you have a blow up at the g on Sunday?
          Haha as you well know Vinny inan attemp to break the record of number of comps bust in different counties in one weekend I dusted off a big stack at the G with 20 left and 10% of the chips in play I got it in 55 vs AKo where I raised got called behind by the lady from down southampton way before Aaron try's to take off from the BB and I just peel the 3b and now she jams he folds I call losing to where she hit 2 kings otf and then against Mr Myland I raise called off co vs BB where I opened KQhh and he shipped allin I called and was up against 88dh and we saw a fun runout of 7h 10h 5s 9h 6h to bust me so I was back in time for Homeland on C4+1!

          Oh and GFY ;)

          Safe flight mate
          Cheers Pads

          See you all in a week!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: JGill_DTD on December 06, 2013, 03:23:44 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..

          Didn't realise this was so widely done until this year when my Polish girlfriend informed me about it. We've used it as an excuse to eat heaps of food.

          Glad you had a sound flight, enjoy!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on December 06, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
          23rd. utterly ridic.

          Putting trainers on window sill tonight. 1 time


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2013, 06:23:45 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..

          Didn't realise this was so widely done until this year when my Polish girlfriend informed me about it. We've used it as an excuse to eat heaps of food.

          Glad you had a sound flight, enjoy!
          Oioi jus sounds like a thin " I play poker have a job and a GF brag" but didn't want to put it in my own diary imo ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: JGill_DTD on December 06, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..

          Didn't realise this was so widely done until this year when my Polish girlfriend informed me about it. We've used it as an excuse to eat heaps of food.

          Glad you had a sound flight, enjoy!
          Oioi jus sounds like a thin " I play poker have a job and a GF brag" but didn't want to put it in my own diary imo ;)

          haha thought it would sound a little like that! any excuse eh ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2013, 08:13:18 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..

          Didn't realise this was so widely done until this year when my Polish girlfriend informed me about it. We've used it as an excuse to eat heaps of food.

          Glad you had a sound flight, enjoy!
          Oioi jus sounds like a thin " I play poker have a job and a GF brag" but didn't want to put it in my own diary imo ;)

          haha thought it would sound a little like that! any excuse eh ;)
          Out of interest then are you having CARP on the 24th together or has she not broached that subject yet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: JGill_DTD on December 07, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
          We'll got here ok and we have had snow today with the mountain tops covered and looking great.

          It has been great to see Petra and the kids and the change in both of them after just 4weeks is incredible, Ivy has become a little lady with pigtails and Max is speaking some words Slovak some English to his Babka (Grandma).

          Today is St. Nicholas day who is seen as the bringer of gifts and obv is a character with a beard looking like Father Christmas but is accompanied here by a devil (knecht ruprecht) and an angel who acts as the counterweight to the devil.

          Here in Slovakia the children have to put a shoe on the window sill and then this morning they find candy mainly but some small gifts in the shoe or under the pillow and then Christmas Day is on the 24th.

          Milli would probably love all of that but not when he finds out the tree and decs don't go up until the 23rd..

          Didn't realise this was so widely done until this year when my Polish girlfriend informed me about it. We've used it as an excuse to eat heaps of food.

          Glad you had a sound flight, enjoy!
          Oioi jus sounds like a thin " I play poker have a job and a GF brag" but didn't want to put it in my own diary imo ;)

          haha thought it would sound a little like that! any excuse eh ;)
          Out of interest then are you having CARP on the 24th together or has she not broached that subject yet?

          She's a fish hater as am I, although it's traditionally Polish she's more than happy to avoid this specific tradition.

          Just selectively choosing which parts of the tradition she enjoys and avoiding the ones she doesn't, bit of a cop out :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kev B on December 13, 2013, 07:30:55 PM
          Spotted you on the feature table at the GPS final, best of luck Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 17, 2013, 01:32:59 PM
          Got quite a lot to catch up on later but for now thought would just post this which is from one of my competitors and was displayed on Rightmove as a property recently listed in their internal photographs.

          Spot the obvious mistake...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/qualityestateagentsphoto.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Acidmouse on December 17, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
          I know I have said it before on here but it simply amazes me how some estate agents run. How can someone possibly use an photo like this to sell a property?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Rexas on December 17, 2013, 01:41:54 PM
          Got quite a lot to catch up on later but for now thought would just post this which is from one of my competitors and was displayed on Rightmove as a property recently listed in their internal photographs.

          Spot the obvious mistake...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/qualityestateagentsphoto.jpg)

          Aside from the fact that the curtains/blinds are shut? And there's so much stuff in there you actually have no way of seeing the place?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on December 17, 2013, 02:50:35 PM
          Got quite a lot to catch up on later but for now thought would just post this which is from one of my competitors and was displayed on Rightmove as a property recently listed in their internal photographs.

          Spot the obvious mistake...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/qualityestateagentsphoto.jpg)

          Guy was obviously deep in the Million when they came round early Monday morning to take the pics


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2013, 01:47:53 PM
          Like a Boss!!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI2SXUzMFtQ

          Will defo come back and update what has been an interesting few weeks in next 24/48 hours where the cliffs are

          Fell out with my brother and this time it looks terminal which is quite sad!
          UKIPT and my first cross atlantic golf double landed
          Slovakia trip and one business
          GPS Sheff/DTD - value in poker and my donation to the omaha community for 2013 (obv not combined )
          The second business venture...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on December 20, 2013, 02:25:07 PM
          Wow. What a mfkin boss. how had I not seen that before!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: leethefish on December 20, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
          Wow. What a mfkin boss. how had I not seen that before!!

          This


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on December 20, 2013, 07:31:26 PM
          Confirmed ridic.

          Carpenter appeared as himself in all eight episodes of the second half of the fourth season of Oz. He plays a contestant in a fictional TV game show called Up Your Ante that the prisoners in Em City are watching. The show within the show is hosted by Gordon Elliott, with Eartha Kitt and Didi Cohn appearing as celebrity participants.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: titaniumbean on December 20, 2013, 08:00:55 PM
          Confirmed ridic.

          Carpenter appeared as himself in all eight episodes of the second half of the fourth season of Oz. He plays a contestant in a fictional TV game show called Up Your Ante that the prisoners in Em City are watching. The show within the show is hosted by Gordon Elliott, with Eartha Kitt and Didi Cohn appearing as celebrity participants.

          love that, i'll phone a friend.... I got some bargs to do!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 20, 2013, 11:58:46 PM
          Woulda been great after all that, if he gave the wrong answer :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 29, 2013, 11:20:02 AM
          Sooooo much to come back to but for now I continue to spin a tangled web..

          Made day2 of DTD with 106000 and travelled up not really expecting much knowing that the last train back was 9pm and not being balla enough like Dubai if I bust to get a taxi back I had to grind from 8.30 but managed a full dbl in the last 30muns when getting Dem Aces in the co and the BB shipping 35bbs aipf w 22 and we did a hold!

          Then booked 2hotel rooms one for me and one for Willie Tann and in further run good actually got the cash and he paid for the taxi.

          Sure it must be a long con/nip style thing ;)

          Got dece %'s in Zero and Marris as well so hope to get a sweat...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on December 29, 2013, 11:25:27 AM
          When I've knocked it in today I'll come pick you up post victory. It'll cost you some Bespoke shoes though :p VBOL mate I thought I'd let you have this one.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 29, 2013, 11:27:16 AM
          When I've knocked it in today I'll come pick you up post victory. It'll cost you some Bespoke shoes though :p VBOL mate I thought I'd let you have this one.
          Haha nice hand!
          Glglgl today bud


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on December 29, 2013, 11:29:18 AM
          GL Sir.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on December 29, 2013, 01:46:58 PM
          Get it all Rich, be good if you could eliminate that tease Matt Harris on the bubble while you're at it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Yian on December 30, 2013, 03:46:09 AM
          ul today Rich, genuine sigh when I see AK after you'd gone all in. See you at the next one.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 30, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
          ul today Rich, genuine sigh when I see AK after you'd gone all in. See you at the next one.
          Thanks bud and if it was really a genuine sigh you could have found the fold ? ;)

          Only had 8bbs so no sweat obv.

          Wp yday thought you played good and were a touch unlucky in a cpl of spots.
          See you soon Yian.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Yian on December 30, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
          ul today Rich, genuine sigh when I see AK after you'd gone all in. See you at the next one.
          Thanks bud and if it was really a genuine sigh you could have found the fold ? ;)

          Nah  :P


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 30, 2013, 03:01:39 PM
          wp yian.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 31, 2013, 12:45:43 PM


          Will defo come back and update what has been an interesting few weeks in next 24/48 hours where the cliffs are

          Fell out with my brother and this time it looks terminal which is quite sad!
          UKIPT and my first cross atlantic golf double landed
          Slovakia trip and one business
          GPS Sheff/DTD - value in poker and my donation to the Omaha community for 2013 (obv not combined )
          The second business venture...

          Not been available to post much over Chrimbo for a variety of reasons but need to start here before moving on.

          I had a massive fallout with my brother over a property and some other business dealings we had whilst Petra was away and we are now no longer speaking and god knows what came over him that day but the vitriol he came out with just meant it was better for us to just step a way and when the tenancy expires in August we can just sell this and then we no longer have any shared properties and Petra and myself can do our own thing regarding property development from the end of 2014.

          What make it sad is that this was one of the properties that when my Dad was still alive we were looking into and property was one of the things my Dad felt would keep us still in a good relationship as he harbours many a grudge from my distant past and as we live many miles away from each other Dad felt we would just drift apart when he had passed just sending Christmas and Birthday cards.  Now not even that will happen :(

          UKIPT and big Golf Double
          I picked up Pads from Luton airport on the way up and it was another semi deep run where I built a stack lost some towards the end of the day and hung in there to make day 2 but then got unlucky to get lucky BVB  with KQ v K6 on K763Q to double and some before losing it all back to the same player  when QQ lost to 88 as she binked the turn which ultimately cost us a cash as at that point with 10 away from the money we would have had 3/4 avg on the bubble but I landed my first ever big golf double having had 2 bets prior to leaving for DTD with £40 EW single on Rory Mclroy at 13/2 enhanced and 2x doubles Rory/Schwartzel and Scott/Schwartzel £30 and £40 respectively so going into the last round Rory was 4 behind Scott but the EW money was safe and Schwartz was a couple clear going into his last round.

          Needless to say I was so happy to check the golf leaderboard and find the NI flag in 1st Pos with him overcoming a 4 shot deficit in the final round so just needed Schwartzel to hold which he did for a nigh on £1500 return which offset the UKIPT disappointment.

          SLOVAKIA
          2 Days after returning from Nottingham and having shaved this beauty off
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Movemberrollover-Dec2nd.jpg)
          I headed out to Slovakia via Brno in the Czech Republic to spend a few days with Petra's folks before we all came back together and having not seen them for 1month it was great although the first thing Petra's mum said as I walked in was "wow Rich put on some weight" marv!
          We had a few chilled days and checked out some premises for a business venture we are looking to start in the first quarter 2014 where we will be exporting decent quality second hand children's clothing and toys and selling them in a second hand shop over there with her mum working the shop for us.  Each month we will export 1 load of goods over with an average resale per unit of 3.5 - 5 euro and on the market research we have done already we will sell anything between 500-1000 units per month.

          We only need one member of Staff as well and just showing how backward the mentality is over there still shops in towns still tend to shut for 2 hours at lunchtime and you never miss any trade as everyone knows they wont be open so the shop will be open from 9-12 and 2-5 5xdays per week plus a few hours on a Saturday and the average wage over there is 2.5euro per hour which sound ridiculous but if 2 people earn that and work 40 hours per week they live/eat and drink really well.

          Some work to do on this yet but it looks a goer...

          GPS Sheffield
          Arrived back in the UK and then waited until the day before GPS to tell Petra that I was off for a couple of days to Sheffield which went down well (not sure why I never have the Niagara's to tell her earlier suppose its that I only get flack for 24hours before leaving) and headed ooop north where I played some decent poker and some of my worst poker of the past few months (worst mainly in 2 spots on the live table :( ) but managed to make day2 with a decent stack before missing out again 15 or so places from the ££ when AK couldn't hold vs K10 so as there was a decent event on at Dusk decided to head down the M1 and play the Super £50 w 2 reloads and managed to build a stack cruising into the last 50 or so before losing w "the Beltons" vs 1010 for a double average pot on a 10 high board but this tournament which for most was a £150 tournament showed me that even for someone like me there is still an immense amount of value in poker with people 4b calling off 93o etc.

          Whilst on the table of my exit I met a guy whose name I have unfortunately forgotten but if you are reading  :hello: and thank you for the kind words on the table about me and my story, I hope you got the lot that night!! but having donked off I was bum hunted by Chinese Francis and GHolden in a 50/1 omahahaha game where I gave a donation akin to giving to charity and treated it as such before heading down the M1 home.

          Second Business venture
          I may have mentioned this to a few but I am starting at the end of January a small business which I hope to build up but wont be a massive earner just more likely to be able to run a decent motor for Petra and a motor for the Slovak business as well on it where we are setting up a Leaflet Distribution business and as last year I tried to get companies to drop 15000 leaflets per month and would have used them every month of the year but none wanted my business (out of 5 companies contacted 3 never came back to me and 2 couldn't handle it) so I am on the look out for droppers and one of the companies we will drop for is the Estate agents where I currently work.

          I never ever get companies approach me saying look we are x company and would think you as an estate agents use a direct marketing company so as we are dropping your area next month wondered if we could be of assistance but I plan to approach other companies who use this kind of service and tag them onto the drop with my droppers dropping no more than 3-4 leaflets at a time and us charging out at £25-£35 per 1000 leaflets per company  so should average £100 per 1000 leaflets and the droppers will get roughly £50 per 1000 and if they work 6hours per day can drop 1500 per day or it would suit mums who can drop 4 hours per day during school hours and earn a bit of pin money.

          I have to say I am quite looking forward to approaching the companies and as my own firm of E/Agents will be a primary user think it will add some  weight to other companies non agency related to use us also, (Need to work on a name so any suggestions please holla) along with the fact I plan to use GPS tracking so companies can actually see where/when we are delivering and some branded uniforms etc

          Finally after this TL;DR I am going to be doing some severe fitness drive in the new year as I currently feel the unhealthiest I have ever been, so if anyone fancies joining or doing some kind of prop then lmk





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 31, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Christopher-Poole-Nandos-002.jpg)
          (It is not Cos in the background!)

          Any Nando's lovers (Vinny) should read page 27 of the sun today, unfortunately I couldnt find the link but this kinda sums it up

          http://www.timeout.com/london/food-drink/the-shadowy-world-of-the-nandos-high-five-card (http://www.timeout.com/london/food-drink/the-shadowy-world-of-the-nandos-high-five-card)

          http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/oct/23/ten-unusual-travel-challenges-around-world (http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/oct/23/ten-unusual-travel-challenges-around-world)

          A link for Vinny to like...

          https://en-gb.facebook.com/NandosChallenge (https://en-gb.facebook.com/NandosChallenge)

          Basically this guy saw a wikipedia link that said if you ate at 85 Nando's branches then you gained a free food pass but the link was 2 years out of date (in before "like the food") so they will not give him the pass but as a gesture have said if he eats at the other 195 UK branches plus the total number of 915 branches then they will honour the prize.

          Which Blonde could honestly say they have eaten at the most Nando's?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 31, 2013, 01:18:50 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 31, 2013, 01:26:45 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.

          Plymouth where I taught you how to get free soft drinks?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 31, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.

          Plymouth where I taught you how to get free soft drinks?

          Ha, of course. The chinaman pulled that con off last night.

          Forgot Brighton.

          Does Southend have one? I can't remember if I've been or not.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on December 31, 2013, 03:23:18 PM
          I'm tied for the least Nando's branches visited...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on December 31, 2013, 03:25:29 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.


          Was going to say lightweight but then I remembered the last time I saw you :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: kinboshi on December 31, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.


          Was going to say lightweight but then I remembered the last time I saw you :D

          :D

          Winner!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 31, 2013, 04:15:56 PM
          My list is quite poor I think, but from memory.

          Enfield

          Luton

          Glasgow

          Nottingham

          Stratford

          St. Albans

          Watford x 2

          Wood green

          Blackpool

          Hoping to add Aberdeen next week.


          Was going to say lightweight but then I remembered the last time I saw you :D

          :D

          Winner!

          Haha. :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on December 31, 2013, 05:03:27 PM
          Borehamwood


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on January 01, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
          I'm tied for the least Nando's branches visited...

          Wish I was


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 03, 2014, 05:09:36 PM
          CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR

          They were pretty average this year as we had a bug in the house so everyone was unwell and a bit grumpy although Max loved Christmas and his presents for the first time as he starts to understand about it.

          Here was a photo of us as a family in Slovakia and shows how little Ivy has really grown up in the past few months but this itself is posing problems as he goes through the terrible two's and she plays him up and also is still not a good sleeper which makes us ratty with each other, rinse repeat, rinse repeat, so not all is always rosy in my world although I do realise how blessed I am when I see these three.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slovakfamilyphoto.jpg)

          Took a lot of time to reflect on 2013 and since my Dad passed away I kind of judge my actions in life on the basis of "Would my Dad be proud of me?" and unfortunately in 2013 I could honestly say that would not have been the case all year round, I also thought about what I/we would like to achieve in 2014 in work/life/poker but more on this over the next few days when I will post up some goals for myself this year.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 03, 2014, 05:28:39 PM
            Been thinking about my goals/hopes for 2013 and obv life is gonna change again with our 2nd baby being due in the middle of March which is going to mean less travelling for poker events as we dont have a massive family network to help Petra out so I will be very selective in the events I play and will play more locally but am not interested in the local donkaments and am going to switch direction to online and live cash so here are my goals and again I shall review them honestly come 2014

          • Cash and have a deep run in a UKIPT - I have played 5 of these (obv miniscule sample but have only made day2 once) and although I may only play 3-4 UKIPT's this year I am gonna try v v hard
          • Post more on PHA - to develop my game but also situations that are bound to occur in the games I shall be playing, I was always worried of flaming in PHA but posted itt this week first in and Cambridge Alex and Tommy Langley both agreed which gives confidence to post more
          • Train 3 x week for 8 months of 2013 - as last year I only trained when I needed to and although in half decent shape for St.Kitts really want to get my body fat% down as for me it's about look as opposed to weight *further update to follow
          • Satelite into a foreign event ie a Unibet or St.Kitts style event
          • Play online at John Black stakes of 5c/10c & 10c/25c and at the end of 6months review total hands played and overall stats before seeking some coaching based on volume which will help with the next goal
          • Become a decent winner in the local £1/1 cash game in Southend as on the few occasions I am there and have played have always done well (in before variance) and there is not a Reggy feel to the games so in theory this should be good for me
          • Be in Prague at the end of 2013 with Team Eureka and use it as a family holiday so Petra and the kids can be in Slovakia with the in-laws and I can dot back and forth
          • Most importantly to be a good Husband and Dad to my amazing family in 2013

          So that's me for 2013  GL me again!!
          [/list]
          Pretty disappointing that I hardly hit any of my goals in 2013 but then again I spent the middle part of it recovering a life balance having knocked in a good chunk in the early part of the year.

          I played 4 UKIPT's last year Edinburgh in Jan and bust day2 when short stacked, London in March where I min cashed and got unlucky vs Jason Duval in a big pot for dbl average, London in the Autumn bust to Robbie Bull Ak vKK in last level of day1 and then UKIPT Nottingham lost QQ v 88 15 off the money to leave me short on the bubble and then AK v 88 vs Chris Sly 10 off the ££ so was happy with these in such a small sample.

          Posted a bit more on PHA but really should ramp this up during 2014 - 1/2 point awarded.

          Failed to train at all in 2013 for any great length of time which has left me unfit and unhappy - this will be in 2014 goals.

          Didnt play any foreign satts so - FAIL

          Played on Sky Poker for 40k hand and am now moving over to Stars and will be playing Zoom in the first Qtr where live poker mtt's will be taking a back seat due to family/life/new business commitments.

          Didnt play any live cash bar 1-2 sessions - FAIL

          Was not in Prague - FAIL

          Hmmm - gonna give me a fail for the last one and need to improve again in 2014!  :(

          So all in all I would give my year a 3-4/10 but 2014 is going to be a big year...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on January 03, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
          Best of luck Rich, family is the key and you are blessed, you can loose poker hands but never lose family life


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 17, 2014, 09:36:52 AM
          Oioi 6hours 20mins door to door from Southend to Edinburgh and just got time for workout swim n sauna before day 1b of Ukipt Edinburgh today.

          Legggo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on January 17, 2014, 09:55:16 AM
          Oioi 6hours 20mins door to door from Southend to Edinburgh and just got time for workout swim n sauna before day 1b of Ukipt Edinburgh today.

          Legggo

          LETS GO ESO YEEEERRRRRR, YOU GOT THIS BABY!!!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on January 17, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
          Good Luck Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2014, 06:15:31 PM
          Time for an update in a small downturn at work where it is absolutely manic and we seem to be in a real upswong of property prices and all types of properties flying off the shelves with some selling even before the details are done which goes back to early 2000's to 2007 all over again but is definately fuelled by a lack of overall property hence the old "supply and demand" with prices holding/increasing daily.

          Here are a couple of articles about our local market
          http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/10828895.Southend_is_UK_s_house_sale_hotspot/ (http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/10828895.Southend_is_UK_s_house_sale_hotspot/)

          http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/echo/10907644.House_values_soar__but_fears_of_a_property_bubble_remain/ (http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/echo/10907644.House_values_soar__but_fears_of_a_property_bubble_remain/)

          Having finished our yearly figures and having been in this office for a full 2 years plus the initial 6 month consolidation period from when the team and I first arrived here we have now grown our business by 100% and turned over £400k this year with costs of £22k per month it still means a healthy overall profit for our boss and obviously means they have tasked us with closer to £500k this year as it is never enough!!

          These two photos have meant that since the start of January I have really watched what I have eaten and tried to cut out all the crap I eat along with some gym visits although these need to increase as well.  The first one was taken in St.Kitts in November 2012 and I had trained for about 3-4 months prior whilst watching what I eat and the second was in Slovakia in December this year next to Petra's stepdad and will act as a reminder that there is a "fat man" inside of me waiting to get out plus with historical family heart history and the fact I am 40 this year I really need to commit to get fit but I have started this campaign by cancelling my David Lloyd membership as I am currently paying £85 per month not to go so if I dont go then in 3 months I will let it expire and if I go I shall retract said cancellation DUCWIDT!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Bellyphoto.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slimme.jpg)

          Ok enough of me here are a couple of photo's of the kids

          Cousins ( The girl to Max's right is one day younger than him)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Cousins.jpg)

          finally for now I dont understand how this little one can go from this..

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/fromthistocrying.jpg)

          to this in about 1 minute.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivycrying.jpg)

          She is still incred though even if she does not sleep like ever...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2014, 06:19:40 PM
          The one thing I love about living by the sea is the winter walks with the dog and family but this was taken on Christmas day just me, Max and Bentley escaping for a brisk morning walk along the seafront having layed a few flowers at my Dad's resting place.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cke4q5jkdQs

          Max stealing some of my moves!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_ypscdYUrc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2014, 06:33:19 PM
          Finally this time last week I was deep into day 1b of UKIPT Edinburgh where I had made a last minute decision to play due to the overlay, rounded up the usual suspects for a sweat and sold some action and then got the required pass out from the missus at 9pm Thursday evening which never goes down well when you are leaving at 2.40am the next day so off we went on a road trip.

          I posted 6hours 20 mins which was incred and I was shattered by the end of Day1 and so glad I hadnt bust as otherwise it meant the trip in reverse plus I would have worked the next day on basically zero sleep.

          this was 8am Friday morning
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Edinburgh.jpg)

          I really love Scotland and always tell Petra that she should come on some of my trips but she's having none of it and would rather be in her own house with all her creature comforts around her. Again I had a deep run probably made a mistake at the end of the day with 4 hands to go and then day 2 went well till I bust 20 off the money btn v my BB and 14bb's where the "Beltons" were obv never going to hold so back down south it was just leaving time to splash around the 25xxl at Dusk to break up the homeward journey before an early hours Sunday arrival back in Essex where we spent a family day out.

          Scooters and dog walking are out now and replace with balance bikes!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4IoMMQvmU

          In further rungood I shipped a UKPC Main seat this week (thank you ***!) so have put a 3 package schedule together for the team and it starts with Deepstack this week, UKPC Main, 6Max if required but hopefully will still be knocking around in the Main Event.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/UKPC.jpg)
          WPWP to Yian, Willy Tann and Outragous76 who also got through!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 27, 2014, 02:44:59 PM
          Property Of The Weekend

          This is sympathetic to what is happening in Essex and London at the moment in the housing market where this 3 bed flat was given to me by an vendor who bought it off me 18 months ago for £178'000 and he spent a few quid doing it up to live in but 1year on and a circumstance change and with a value of £235k- £240k max we put it on with nothing but measurements and a few photos on Friday afternoon and had an open day of 6-7 people Saturday and today have 3 offers on it and it's agreed at £250'000.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/DSC_0002.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/DSC_0013.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/DSC_0016.jpg)

          I get home from work Saturday and Petra is telling me she has seen a new bed she would like to buy and could I go and see it with her, now it's an old Sleigh bed that she has hopes of getting and painting and distressing like some other furniture she has done for us and with her being the creative one out of us I just prefer to sit back and let her crack on.  I dont even feel the need to see the bed as it's a bed and is the same size as we currently have but just to humour her I say we will go on sunday before we go swimming as a family, so Sunday early afternoon off we toddle and I had a moment that struck me about being an "Absolute Punter" where having seen the bed I acknowledge it's a bed and will suit the required usage and tell her it's priced at £175 so how does she plan to negotiate?

          She says she asked yesterday and they said they could do it and deliver/build for £150 so I say try for a bit more off by saying that you initially had a budget of £125 and could they get closer to that, off she went to neg the guy in the shop whilst I had Max who decided having run around for the past 20 mins he was going to have an accident (potty training ftw) which was imo going to weaken our negotiation.  As all of this was kicking off I realised my only bet of the day was £80EW in the market without the fav on a horse at 6/4 ( 5/2 outright) so whilst she was trying to get a fiver more off the purchase I was sweating the whole cost of the bed on some nag in the 2.55 Wolverhampton.

          Luckily for me the horse won and she negged them to £140 inc delivery and build plus a blanket for her photography business and a book for Max who cried at exactly the correct time ;)

          Back to work today and as part of our morning meeting I always try to give the guys a bit of motivation for the day so this was it today and was blasted out with the theme of the day being
          "Pick up the F***in phone and make some calls!!"

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3buPuoQ0zLo

          Finally sold my action in the following events having binked a seat so the team for
          £550 Deepstack this weekend - online leg
          £1100 UKPC Main Event
          if bust £550 6Max

          team
          Dubai 20%
          RedFox 7.5%
          RedSimon 5%
          Big_D 5%
          Tikay 5%
          Outragous 7.5% main only

          will update on breaks where I can on here as not in the staking board.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on January 27, 2014, 07:25:52 PM
          A bed for £175? is it made out of paper?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Ice Shade on January 28, 2014, 12:52:15 AM
          A bed for £175? is it made out of paper?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on January 28, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
          Time for an update in a small downturn at work where it is absolutely manic and we seem to be in a real upswong of property prices and all types of properties flying off the shelves with some selling even before the details are done which goes back to early 2000's to 2007 all over again but is definately fuelled by a lack of overall property hence the old "supply and demand" with prices holding/increasing daily.

          Here are a couple of articles about our local market
          http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/10828895.Southend_is_UK_s_house_sale_hotspot/ (http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/10828895.Southend_is_UK_s_house_sale_hotspot/)

          http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/echo/10907644.House_values_soar__but_fears_of_a_property_bubble_remain/ (http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/echo/10907644.House_values_soar__but_fears_of_a_property_bubble_remain/)

          Having finished our yearly figures and having been in this office for a full 2 years plus the initial 6 month consolidation period from when the team and I first arrived here we have now grown our business by 100% and turned over £400k this year with costs of £22k per month it still means a healthy overall profit for our boss and obviously means they have tasked us with closer to £500k this year as it is never enough!!

          These two photos have meant that since the start of January I have really watched what I have eaten and tried to cut out all the crap I eat along with some gym visits although these need to increase as well.  The first one was taken in St.Kitts in November 2012 and I had trained for about 3-4 months prior whilst watching what I eat and the second was in Slovakia in December this year next to Petra's stepdad and will act as a reminder that there is a "fat man" inside of me waiting to get out plus with historical family heart history and the fact I am 40 this year I really need to commit to get fit but I have started this campaign by cancelling my David Lloyd membership as I am currently paying £85 per month not to go so if I dont go then in 3 months I will let it expire and if I go I shall retract said cancellation DUCWIDT!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Bellyphoto.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slimme.jpg)

          Ok enough of me here are a couple of photo's of the kids

          Cousins ( The girl to Max's right is one day younger than him)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Cousins.jpg)

          finally for now I dont understand how this little one can go from this..

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/fromthistocrying.jpg)

          to this in about 1 minute.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivycrying.jpg)

          She is still incred though even if she does not sleep like ever...

          CALL !!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 31, 2014, 11:29:13 AM
          Had an interesting couple of days...

          I binked my SECOND £1100 UKPC seat in a week on Weds evening in the £100 with Milli having scooped one on Monday in the same satty as Outragous
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/anotherseat.png)

          It was a completely different tourney from the other night in terms of grind as I was top 5 in chips from 35 out and then just nicked pots here and there whilst waiting for the blinds to catch up with the shorter stacks but with 12 left Ivy woke up and as Petra was sleeping it took her a while to get out of bed and by the time she did Max had woke up due to the noise and made his way downstairs and fell asleep on me as we binked the seat.

          At the same time as playing the sat I was watching Match of the Day having not seen the scores and placed this speculative "ice cream" punt for something to watch later on (sometimes it's good to be a punter) and with City tearing Spurs apart at the end it was great to see the replay of the 5th goal and immediately see the "FULL TIME" freeze screen come straight up.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/fiveone.jpg)

          Yesterday Celtic drove over to ours where he met Petra, Max and Ivy Irl for the first time and can now confirm they are real people and we went off for a business meeting at Nando's with Max as Vinny is going to do some work on the leaflet business which should be good for him in a few ways and help us out at the start.  We should be off and running by the end of next week and I will post more on this soon along with photos of Vinny in his work-wear ;)

          It's not all good though as I bust my only bullet at the deepstack last night 3mins before the end of day1 and it was a grind all night as never got anything going early and flopped second best or not at all in many spots and then chipped down solidly from 35- 20 bbs before getting an amazing quadruple up at 5/1000 where UTG opens to 3000 and gets flatted by the CO and BTN and we have JJ in the BB and ship for 12.2k and obv as each of them call felt there is no way we hold in this spot, even less so when we see a xxK flop which got checked around and even less so when an off suit Ace came on the turn but on a low river everyone checked again and amazingly the pot made it's way to me.

          I then 3b a UTG open with QQ and got flatted by the SB and the OR came along to see a puke flop of 1010Khh and the SB open jammed so I folded to leave me 10bb's and having jammed to just under 20bb's and 3 mins of the day left got it in 3b jamming A10 but this time he had KK andit was GG so next stop is UKPC although I may play the Genting Luton event next week if the required 2 evening pass (in before) out is granted...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 03, 2014, 05:54:19 PM
          A bed for £175? is it made out of paper?

          This is the bed tucked away in the room obv being balla this is the second double bed in the room ;)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/paperbed.jpg)

          And after one coat of chalk paint with another to come here is the next photo

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/onecoatbed.jpg)

          Lost a bit on the footie on Saturday but got a bit back on the superbowl last night before binking a £550 DTD seat and a GP seat on Ipoker last night so have binked £2500 worth of tourney entries within the past 7 days which means I am freerolling the UKPC now but will try and bink a UKIPT seat as well whilst I am running good.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/anotherdayanothersat.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2014, 03:30:08 PM
          DTD Grand Prix and weekend in general!

          Having made day2 of the GP with an average stack it was with the usual hope of a live bink that I headed up the M1 and arrived to be sat at one of the first tables to break so chipped down slightly before moving to a table where the bubble burst and then to the table where I would eventually exit.  I didnt run particularly well over the weekend but thats poker and cannot complain as having chipped upto 400k with AK v AJ AIPF I then lost 2 pots to shorties before at 10/20k the nice chap I mentioned a few pages ago who I now know as Michael Howard shoved the CO for 52k and I was left calling blind from 280k with 105ss losing to J6ss where we both flop a pair and 2 hands later he shoves again and we find AQdd on the btn and are up vs A6 and drawing to running diamonds or Queens on the flop before eventually losing my last 2.5bb with 68ss v 77 and AQ.

          I also had a last longer with Arboy who sprung to blonde infamy in this drama http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0) for £200 and he immediately doubled then I did and then I lost said pots and immediately wieghed him in :( so it was over to the super50 where I chipped up early, broke tables and then sat snug until at 1/2k with an average stack of 50k I lost 24k but won a 10k side pot with QQ v KK and JJ and then chip back to 45k and have 2 hands vs an absolute legend called James Morris who "sell spuds" but absolutely loves the game and was so funny in his demeanour and telling jokes that were old but still funny and it reminded me of how much fun people still have despite being in for £150.

          He got lucky once and then unlucky to get lucky when we chopped 99 v 44 and then chopped again Aq v 88 on A52 3 4 runout before at 1500/3000 I lost all but 10k of my 35k blind v blind where I ship the sb with AQ and the bb snaps A8hh flops well on 569hh and rivered the flush, I then pretty much dbld shoving my 10k in with 910o and getting it through before with 5bbs had to do the fakelook ship utg and get looked up by the SB who flips "The Beltons" and I flip a blind 103o and flop 103K K 4 to exit thereby ending the live pokers till UKPC week next week.

          Petra has been busy upcycling and here is the bed in place that I posted about last week.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcyclebed.jpg)
          and her next project having removed the base of the old bed was to turn it into a train set table for Max

          This was Friday
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle1.jpg)

          this was Saturday afternoon
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle2.jpg)

          Sunday morning with chalk drawing and the train set done
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle3.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 10, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
          Were are still so busy at work and selling all the new instructions at obscene prices, take this house for example last October we sold it for £340'000 but the vendors could not find so took it off the market.

          Friday it came on for £360'000 and sold at full asking price over the weekend so a 6% rise from Oct to Feb!!!.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Apollo.jpg)

          Where I live in Leigh on Sea there is a landmark building called the "Grand Hotel" which has been derelict for about 8 years and just rotting away and is right on the entrance into Leigh on Sea Broadway

          Here it was just as it was closing down
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Grandhotel1.jpg)
          and here it is now
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Grandhotelboardedup.jpg)

          It has now been bought by a chap call Mick Norcross of TOWIE fame and he is spending a few million on it having bought it for 3-4 million and turning it into a boutique hotel and spa.
          MBN!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on February 10, 2014, 03:40:51 PM
          lovely transformation of the bed mate

          wish i had the ability/inspiration to do stuff like that easily


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 10, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
          Unlucky in the GP, but you're obv saving the rungood for the Sky comp.

          Some tekkers by Mrs B on the bed, but would take far too much time and patience when there is an Amazon in the world :)

          Didn't realise Mick Norcross had that sort of dough to throw about!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 11, 2014, 02:12:48 PM


          I also had a last longer with Arboy who sprung to blonde infamy in this drama http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0) for £200 and he immediately doubled then I did and then I lost said pots and immediately wieghed him in :( so it was over to the super50 where I chipped up early, broke tables and then sat snug until at 1/2k with an average stack of 50k I lost 24k but won a 10k side pot with QQ v KK and JJ and then chip back to 45k and have 2 hands vs an absolute legend called James Morris who "sell spuds" but absolutely loves the game and was so funny in his demeanour and telling jokes that were old but still funny and it reminded me of how much fun people still have despite being in for £150.

          Standard Eso rungood in that after I had weighed in the £200 last longer to Arboy aka Mark Wilson I forgot we swapped 20% in the Superduper £50 and only just checked how he got on as when I busted in 50th or whatever he was also bowling along but those betfair sng days have not left him and just saw that he finished 2nd.  I dont even care if he grims me having chopped it!!

          Pay up Arboy at UKPC  oioi


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 11, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
          lovely transformation of the bed mate

          wish i had the ability/inspiration to do stuff like that easily

          Unlucky in the GP, but you're obv saving the rungood for the Sky comp.

          Some tekkers by Mrs B on the bed, but would take far too much time and patience when there is an Amazon in the world :)

          Didn't realise Mick Norcross had that sort of dough to throw about!
          @Horsey - yeah she does really well with that kind of stuff, its just the time it takes to do it but the bed was 2 afternoons and Max's table 1/2 a day.

          @Marky - neither did I but either reality TV pays well or he has had his fingers in a lot of pies!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: sonour on February 12, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
          DTD Grand Prix and weekend in general!

          Having made day2 of the GP with an average stack it was with the usual hope of a live bink that I headed up the M1 and arrived to be sat at one of the first tables to break so chipped down slightly before moving to a table where the bubble burst and then to the table where I would eventually exit.  I didnt run particularly well over the weekend but thats poker and cannot complain as having chipped upto 400k with AK v AJ AIPF I then lost 2 pots to shorties before at 10/20k the nice chap I mentioned a few pages ago who I now know as Michael Howard shoved the CO for 52k and I was left calling blind from 280k with 105ss losing to J6ss where we both flop a pair and 2 hands later he shoves again and we find AQdd on the btn and are up vs A6 and drawing to running diamonds or Queens on the flop before eventually losing my last 2.5bb with 68ss v 77 and AQ.

          I also had a last longer with Arboy who sprung to blonde infamy in this drama http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=48454.0) for £200 and he immediately doubled then I did and then I lost said pots and immediately wieghed him in :( so it was over to the super50 where I chipped up early, broke tables and then sat snug until at 1/2k with an average stack of 50k I lost 24k but won a 10k side pot with QQ v KK and JJ and then chip back to 45k and have 2 hands vs an absolute legend called James Morris who "sell spuds" but absolutely loves the game and was so funny in his demeanour and telling jokes that were old but still funny and it reminded me of how much fun people still have despite being in for £150.

          He got lucky once and then unlucky to get lucky when we chopped 99 v 44 and then chopped again Aq v 88 on A52 3 4 runout before at 1500/3000 I lost all but 10k of my 35k blind v blind where I ship the sb with AQ and the bb snaps A8hh flops well on 569hh and rivered the flush, I then pretty much dbld shoving my 10k in with 910o and getting it through before with 5bbs had to do the fakelook ship utg and get looked up by the SB who flips "The Beltons" and I flip a blind 103o and flop 103K K 4 to exit thereby ending the live pokers till UKPC week next week.

          Petra has been busy upcycling and here is the bed in place that I posted about last week.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcyclebed.jpg)
          and her next project having removed the base of the old bed was to turn it into a train set table for Max

          This was Friday
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle1.jpg)

          this was Saturday afternoon
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle2.jpg)

          Sunday morning with chalk drawing and the train set done
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upcycle3.jpg)

          Hi Rich,

          Thanks for posting the link to the Blatch case. I had heard of it but really enjoyed reading the detail.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: blueace on February 17, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
          Hope 2014 is a good poker year for you Rich, Got a property related question. Has your agency got involved with 'Agents Mutual'. Do you think this is at last a genuine force to break the mono/duopoly or Rightmove and Zoopla? (so we can see prices at a fair level). I guess on your business levels it doesnt really matter so much, but its the principle of feeling you are being scammed every year by the big two that grates. I used to get a massive discount from being part of the c/w network now Im paying through the nose.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 17, 2014, 02:42:54 PM
          Hope 2014 is a good poker year for you Rich, Got a property related question. Has your agency got involved with 'Agents Mutual'. Do you think this is at last a genuine force to break the mono/duopoly or Rightmove and Zoopla? (so we can see prices at a fair level). I guess on your business levels it doesnt really matter so much, but its the principle of feeling you are being scammed every year by the big two that grates. I used to get a massive discount from being part of the c/w network now Im paying through the nose.
          Cheers Sean and the same to you obviously.

          I always really struggle to see how anyone could come into the market place and rival Rightmove despite Zoopla movng upto number 2 from a standing start in a short space of time so would be sceptical of it.  The power that RM have in particular is massive and we only advertise on RM and hold down a massive market share in our town despite all our competitors advertising on all and sundry portals and tbh we prefer to spend our money on marketing/branding and awarness rather than inferior portals.

          We may lose the odd bit of business to people who beleve that findaproperty will bring their buyer but win loads more showing people how many pages we take in the paper and how our details are presented etc etc.

          Our R/M bill is massive though and it keeps going up and up...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: blueace on February 18, 2014, 12:35:48 PM
          Hope 2014 is a good poker year for you Rich, Got a property related question. Has your agency got involved with 'Agents Mutual'. Do you think this is at last a genuine force to break the mono/duopoly or Rightmove and Zoopla? (so we can see prices at a fair level). I guess on your business levels it doesnt really matter so much, but its the principle of feeling you are being scammed every year by the big two that grates. I used to get a massive discount from being part of the c/w network now Im paying through the nose.
          Cheers Sean and the same to you obviously.

          I always really struggle to see how anyone could come into the market place and rival Rightmove despite Zoopla movng upto number 2 from a standing start in a short space of time so would be sceptical of it.  The power that RM have in particular is massive and we only advertise on RM and hold down a massive market share in our town despite all our competitors advertising on all and sundry portals and tbh we prefer to spend our money on marketing/branding and awarness rather than inferior portals.

          We may lose the odd bit of business to people who beleve that findaproperty will bring their buyer but win loads more showing people how many pages we take in the paper and how our details are presented etc etc.

          Our R/M bill is massive though and it keeps going up and up...

          I hate the feeling of being scammed each year and I hate the fact that they have a hold on me. I dont use Zoopla, and binned all the various other sites over the years. So I have committed to the Silver option on Agents Mutual on principle more than anything. Certainly the blurb makes it all seem possible... It may just be that it puts a stop to Rm's constant price hikes. That would, for me, be worth the extra spend.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on February 18, 2014, 12:37:44 PM
          Interesting that you said the residential propert market is seeming to spark back into life my dad is in commercial property and says he's busier than he has been in 3/4 years!

          You playing UKPC this week? Good luck if so!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 18, 2014, 04:21:46 PM
          Interesting that you said the residential propert market is seeming to spark back into life my dad is in commercial property and says he's busier than he has been in 3/4 years!

          You playing UKPC this week? Good luck if so!
          Hey Callum
          TBH our market hasnt been bad even since the drop in 2008 as we are in a bouyant area so have never really dropped more than 2.5-5% below 2007 peak prices.

          Here are exerts from the local daily newspaper today

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Southendproperty-2.jpg)    (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Southendproperty2-1.jpg)

          3.3% rise in 1 month incred!

          This house is a typical example where
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/14CromwellRoad.jpg)
          It came on the market 5 weeks ago at £177500 and we had a vendor of ours looking for a rental investment so we let them see it first and they offered the full asking price but we had 20 people looking to view it as well, 5 weeks on and one of the parties really wants it so despite having never vieewed the home today rings me and offers £195'000 and under the estate agency act I have to submit the offer to the vendor.

          Needless to say the vendor has now dropped the other party and the new buyer has put down a £20'000 non refundable deposit that they lose if they pull out of the transaction for any other reason than the property is falling down.

          In terms of UKPC I am up tomorrow having binked 2.5 seats ;) and then back to work Thurs before coming back up Fri for day 2 hopefully or the 6max.

          See you up there.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on February 18, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
          Dem 2.5 seats brags, wal, glglglgl.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 18, 2014, 04:35:02 PM
          Dem 2.5 seats brags, wal, glglglgl.
          Sigh was watching you last night bud.

          Getttttt tonight.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on February 18, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
          Dem 2.5 seats brags, wal, glglglgl.
          Sigh was watching you last night bud.

          Getttttt tonight.

          Yeah will just win tonight, simples :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on February 18, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
          Dem 2.5 seats brags, wal, glglglgl.
          Sigh was watching you last night bud.

          Getttttt tonight.

          Yeah will just win tonight, simples :)

          Ill just take the 1 seat tonight. And happily let Ray get seat number 2.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on February 18, 2014, 06:17:55 PM
          I hope I make day two of the PLO which starts on Thursday as we've not crossed paths for a while now and have something for you.

          GL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2014, 09:47:48 AM
          I hope I make day two of the PLO which starts on Thursday as we've not crossed paths for a while now and have something for you.

          GL
          Grind it like Tikay and I will get chance to see you ;)
          GL Ralph


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2014, 01:22:14 PM
          For UKPC investors we are table 33/1


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
          For UKPC investors we are table 33/1
          25k first break just bled down w pairs and suited cons but now 20k after Richie Allen opens to 500 @1/2 LFmagic flats utg2 we peel AQcc UTG3 and see flop of J4Qrb Richie bets 1300 Luke peels we peel turn 3s bringing a spade draw and Richie now checks, Luke bets 3300 which we peel (could fold!) and Richie now c/r to 8900 we both fold.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on February 19, 2014, 04:12:38 PM
          Good luck today mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2014, 04:32:53 PM
          Fold KK on 693Jhh to go to 17k then after LF calls vs raiser to lose that pot LF and myself get in his last 3k @1/2 with JJ v AK we don't hold 14.5k just going 1/2/25


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2014, 06:04:29 PM
          10k @ 150/300/25


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 01:45:37 PM
          10k @ 150/300/25
          My bust out was reported :( will do a tr after the weekend but backers we have the 6max today in 30mins and if u are friends with Sam Razavi on Facebook he made a thread which calls me out as I wasn't in Nottingham last night when it stated you can arrange to play anytime and he tried to get me outed :(

          Someone posted a link to my herbie itt :))

          Anyway got a bye and play either Stylz or someone I don't know in round 2...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on February 21, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
          WAL.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 05:04:41 PM
          34.5k first break going 1/2/25


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 07:25:42 PM
          34.5k first break going 1/2/25
          44k at second break  avg 41k blinds 250/500/50


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 08:43:15 PM
          Just put Claypole in a coffin pre flop so we got 60k @ 3/600


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 09:00:03 PM
          72k at 3rd break going back 4/800


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 09:33:36 PM
          Just called the river with Qhigh vs Claypole on a board reading J5363 where he bet the river but did his little bluff tell and he mucked so we have to flip them over to claim the pot. The look on his face was incred which made sense when 5mins later he declares for the first time in his life he folded when should flip and as he gave me too much credit he folded K high.

          Standard Eso run good upto 88k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 10:49:10 PM
          78k blinds just gone 6/12/200


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 21, 2014, 11:45:47 PM
          93.5k at next break going 8/16/200 avg 85k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 22, 2014, 12:06:44 AM
          165k at 8/1600 avg 90k after we bust Sam G AK holds v AQ aipf for 70k eff


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 22, 2014, 01:17:07 AM
          172k at last break going back 12/2400 avg 115k 2levels left today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on February 22, 2014, 01:46:15 AM
          Didn't see you bud. Best of luck!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 22, 2014, 02:12:27 AM
          Didn't see you bud. Best of luck!
          Cheers pal and vbol to you tomoz

          185k just in last level 15/3000


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 22, 2014, 03:43:48 AM
          Bagged 109k which is a bit meh after coasting all day and value cut myself v Matt Davenport after a table move but we go back with 27 bigs Sunday @ 2/4k.

          Day off tomoz but need to play my heads up matches as the other half are at the final already...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 22, 2014, 04:44:26 AM
          Only just noticed you've been updating here :D

          Good luck in the HU tomorrow, and get the double done Sunday!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 09:29:27 AM
          Only just noticed you've been updating here :D

          Good luck in the HU tomorrow, and get the double done Sunday!
          Cheers Marky

          Well I managed to win my HU match in the second round vs a dece young guy called Tom who had bought a LOT of action this week in the main event and grinds zoom on stars for a living and in game I managed to small ball my way to a lead of 35k 25k before getting it to 45k 15k but then over called turn and river with top pair shit kicker losing to tptk to go back to 35/25 before small balling again to 38/22 where we get it in w A9hh on 67qhh vs 67o and turn the 10h fading the redraw otr.

          So today consists of a HU match at 1pm vs Steve Warburton for a final table place and some ££ and the chance to play pretty boy Martin for some bling, then at 2pm I have day2 of the 6max so need to get Warbs dusted off quickly then make Alex wait for the final.

          Had a great time here since Friday seeing so many peeps and won a few quid thanks to Adz, Channing and Tranmere Rovers and hopefully can nick a bit today too...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on February 23, 2014, 10:56:45 AM
          gl Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 11:18:45 AM
          gl Rich
          Thx Tom

          How is the grind going as not seen u for a while?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on February 23, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
          win dat Bling!

          <this space reserved for dimsum5747 to insert ridiculous blingy gif >


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on February 23, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
          gl Rich
          Thx Tom

          How is the grind going as not seen u for a while?

          poorly atm, hopefully be back on the live scene soon i hope :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jakally on February 23, 2014, 11:52:41 AM

          Had a great time here since Friday seeing so many peeps and won a few quid thanks to Adz, Channing and Tranmere Rovers and hopefully can nick a bit today too...

          Cheers for the tip mate. VBOL today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 11:59:39 AM

          Had a great time here since Friday seeing so many peeps and won a few quid thanks to Adz, Channing and Tranmere Rovers and hopefully can nick a bit today too...

          Cheers for the tip mate. VBOL today.
          YW Mr G


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 12:00:22 PM
          win dat Bling!

          <this space reserved for dimsum5747 to insert ridiculous blingy gif >
          Tyty pokerpops


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on February 23, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
          Good luck today mate :-)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on February 23, 2014, 12:55:59 PM
          Gl today Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 12:57:20 PM
          Good luck today mate :-)
          Cheers Dyl and Mike


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on February 23, 2014, 01:00:56 PM
          Nice easy table draw for today Rich.

          Confidently expecting you to rip them some new ones :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 01:07:14 PM
          Nice easy table draw for today Rich.

          Confidently expecting you to rip them some new ones :)
          Live poker is rigged imo!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 23, 2014, 01:10:25 PM
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7TOHrppa_E


          GOGOGO!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
          My HU match is now going to be after we bust/win the 6m and when either happens Warbs will travel from Manchester to play which will mean Alex has got to wait around all day...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on February 23, 2014, 01:47:56 PM
          Good Luck in both MrAK


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on February 23, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
          OIOI gl mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 02:28:05 PM
          OIOI gl mate!
          Cheers golden

          full dbld the 6m  sb opens to 11k we find kings in bb 3b to 27 from 116k, sb covers us and 4s to 80 k we ship he tanks and after I tell him he has to call w napkins he calls 2mins later and are up vs A4 we flop k97sss and he has no spade redraw


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on February 23, 2014, 03:00:30 PM
          OIOI gl mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 03:04:29 PM
          On the bubble now and got 180k at 2.5/5k avg 220k

          Flag then win!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
          Itm :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 04:07:47 PM
          240k @ 1st break which is bang on avg at 3/6/1000


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
          Lose 49k second hand back Btn jams we find AK in the bb vs 10Jdd flop 9q4dd q 8


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 04:34:45 PM
          Lose KK v AKdd aipf to have 45k at 3/6


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 23, 2014, 04:50:09 PM
          Lose KK v AKdd aipf to have 45k at 3/6

          Sigh


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
          Bust in 35th unfortunately we jam 810 utg for 5bbs and get called by Btn and bb losing to btns KJo on k33qj board

          Srry couldn't go deeper guys and we cashed for £1250 so will sort returns on Monday/Tuesday


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on February 23, 2014, 05:12:20 PM
          Nice cash mate, wp.

          Good luck to you in the hu.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 07:44:42 PM
          Nice cash mate, wp.

          Good luck to you in the hu.
          Just about to play Alex in the final best of 3 for a bracelet ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 23, 2014, 07:48:14 PM
          Unlucky mate, obviously going to unleash a massive heater on the pretty one :D

          Good luck mate, and wish Al luck too.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on February 23, 2014, 07:52:18 PM
          Nice cash mate, wp.

          Good luck to you in the hu.
          Just about to play Alex in the final best of 3 for a bracelet ;)

          WAL, glgl!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Junior Senior on February 23, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
          Gl in the HU!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on February 23, 2014, 08:42:39 PM
          Absolute hero, can't wait to rub Warbs down.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 09:47:31 PM
          After a 2hour swingy battle "pretty boy" won the first HU in the best of 3 final we had him crushed 50/10 but got it in K10 v A10 and then he chipped solidly from there.

          I said he can have a lift to London when we finish but if he wins he can fuck right off !!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 23, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
          Haha, good luck both.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 23, 2014, 10:35:05 PM
          Haha, good luck both.
          :(
          We lost but am happy with how we played all weekend.

          Thx for the rail guys :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 23, 2014, 10:39:33 PM
          Haha, make Alex walk home please.

          Unlucky son.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on February 24, 2014, 12:43:57 AM
          Haha, make Alex walk home please.

          Unlucky son.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
          UKPC Main Event TR

          The main event was my most disappointing tournament in 6-12 months and as a recreational player who plays 1-2 maximum tournies a month I always go into the tournie with some expectation but this one never got started and I never got above starting stack all day, I travelled up with Dubai and was already winning a few quid from backing the GB ladies curling team to lose and then a Channing Horse to win which scated in so was in good spirits entering DTD.

          Unfortunately I didnt flop anything in the early stages despite finding a few pairs and suited connectors and we bled down to 25k from 30 pretty quickly but with an excellent structure were never going to be under that much pressure but lost some more pre antes when we decided not to 3b an UTG raise and flat imediately behind by Luke Field and we peel AQcc seeing a QJ5 board calling the cbet with Luke and then after the OR checks we call Lukes turn bet but fold to the check raise from OR who later told us he had a set and Luke had KK so probs lost the minimum.

          I played KK tricky and let it go having flatted behing an UTG raise when on 693Jhh a guy raises turn and Luke calls so we fold and they get it in on a river for 2p vs a set and from that point on just grinded between 8-15bb stacks still hoping for a double through and the hope of day2 which can always be a better day and having made day 2's with big stacks and small stacks sometimes you just have to be there when the good things happen but alas for us down to 6bbs I ending up having to get it in vs Kimber with Q10hh but didnt get there vs AJ and we exited with that feeling of disappointment as I will only play probably 6-10 £500-£1k comps this year so wherever I am on my lifetime luck cycle will determine whether we run deep in one or two of them or not.

          Friday was to be another day however...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2014, 01:59:40 PM
          Left home early Friday and hooked up with Vinny at a services on the M1 for a coffee before treating him again to a Nando's prior to the start of the 6max and whilst there Claypole came over with one of his bessie's to let me know that despite not being on Facebook I was now famous after the Razavi rant about the heads up tournie where he assumed that everyone would be in the building to play a 1 day HU comp but actually it was supposed to be organised by the players themselves so having failed to get me kicked out of the comp withdrew his entry which gave me a bye to the second round.

          6max went well and I built a stack fairly quickly on a table where Claypole and at all other times there was only one other agro player so there were pletny of opps to pick up some chips and my opponent in the HU match was waiting to see if I bust or went deep so when I had nearly dbl average he decided to go out for the night and my semi final oppo had a flood at his house so he trapped back to Manchester meaning the schedule would be tight over Sat/Sun.

          I bagged 110k approx in the 6m from a peak of 190k with 30 mins to go and was gutted as made an error when I should have checked back the river but made a vvv thin bet and called a click back from Matt Davenport having opened QJss and bet/chk/bet called on J348A where he rivered 2p with A3 so had a rest day on Saturday intending to play my HU match and head to Luton Genting for a 1 day comp but having arrived at DTD at 1pm my HU oppo was nowhere to be seen and not returned any of Pammie's calls.

          Eventually I get told he had been out on the lash and would be there for 6pm so that was GG Luton so I tried to find out who he was...

          His name was Tom Batterham but to me he was
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mysteryman.png)
          With no live record I could find I heard he posted on 2p2and had bought a chunk of people for the UKPC so putting it all together meant I was going to play a guy called SleepingTom on 2p2 and that is also his SN on stars
          Here is his graph for the year so far which is impressive and left me under no illusion I was the dog in this game
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/SleepingTom.jpg)

          But maybe with Heads Up I have found my game ;) as I really found it interesting and you are in so many different spots to mtt's or 6max cash due to having to call down 3rd and 4th pair so often or even Q high (sorry Claypole) so basically I became a massive
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/kingscross.png)

          Tom turned out to be a really top guy and we chatted for most of the match about life,poker etcas there was no way I wanted to play in silence and having chipped him down a bit early I kept chipping away and mixing up my game until we got it allin on 67Qhh and I held A9hh and binked on the turn and faded the redraw vs 67 of Tom and it was into the next round where we were due to play this man

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Warbs.png)

          Here he was rubbing his hands with joy upon hearing he was playing me at some point on Sunday


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2014, 02:29:43 PM
          Day 2 of the 6m started off with dreams of this
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/lasvegas.png)

          As in the unlikely event of me winning the 6max tourney and then managing to ship the HU bracelet I would have won the vegas package with 115pts but instead I had to be happy with 2 of these

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/herbertflag1.jpg)

          I got an early double through in the 6m where having folded to a young Chineese guys SB he opened to 15k and I made it 28k from the BB with KK and 115k total and he 4bet to 82k so I shipped and he tanked until told him it was absolutely terrible to fold here now for the extra 33k and I really didnt mind how badly he called or whatever beat he might inflict on me so eventually he called A4DC and we pretty much flopped him dead on K63sss to double just around the bubble.

          Not long after a hopefull deep run came to a disappointing halt when we lost a 400k pot with the average at 320k and 50k back when KK didnt hold vs AKdd and the double through attemp to get back in the game faltered leaving us ready to play Warbs for a spot in the final and also some £££

          The HU semi was interesting as again we chatted quite a lot and knowing Steve from various circuit events we have played again I tried to keep it light hearted but unfortunately Warbs was very good at hitting rivers and chipped me down solidly he also paid me a compliment when having told me he wore his sunglasses for his other 2 matches and after I soul read him and called him with K high having stared him down he decided the "lucky glasses" as he described them came out and he told me he had never lost a heads up match whilst wearing them.  Obviously this made me really determined to beat him so whilst he had me chipped to 45k vs 15k I knew if we started to think about bb's then we would be ok as opposed to the early stages when you had soooo many chips you just splashed around so just as the blinds went 3/600 we got it all in A5 vs A4 and binked a 5 when it should be a split pot most of the time to go 38/22k in his favour.

          So I said "If I do happen to beat you do I get to keep the glasses as they wont be lucky anyomre" as I sensed a small shift in momentum as he did also, I tilted him further when I made a check raise with K high on AA4 and he folded so I showed him as I really felt I was going to win this match and decided we would try everything within the rules to win.

          I opened the btn with Ah 8D and we flopped 567ddH and he check called a bet turned the 4d and he check called again and then on the Kd river he checked again so I bet small and he looked at me and just as he was about to call I showed him the Ah and he snapped called me with a pair of kings and now we had him.

          The very next hand we are now 49k vs 11k in my favour and he opens to 2k at 5/1000 I 3b 77 to 5k fully intending to get it in but he dwells so I tell him "If you call I jam every flop and if you Jam I call" he flicks in the call and before the dealer dealt I set him in and we see a flop K73 which he calls drawing vv thin with KQ but obv a tad unlucky at the same time and it was off to face pretty boy in the final.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Vinodh on February 24, 2014, 02:34:13 PM
          Hi richard, nice to play with you on the same table.. No mention of that audicious Q8 bluff  ;D ;applause;
          A big score round the corner. no dount. wp!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2014, 02:50:03 PM
          This man waited for me in the final and uncannily he actually predicted what the score would be prior to the event for our best of three match
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/alexmartin.png)

          Alex is a top man and I told him before we started that if I won I was going to give Tikay the bracelet as I know he would have really liked it and it wouldnt have suited me anyway so I wanted to win for him as much as me tbh but despite making some great calls and value bets whilst flopping better in the early skirmishes I lost the chance to win the first match when we got it in K10 me vs A10 him and I asked him if it was cool to get it in there which he said yh so all was good despite losing the pot and eventually the first game.

          I again chipped him down early in the second but then the big "MO" turned away from me and onto him and I made a pretty thin jam on the river of a board showing J7837 having checked called flop and turn to leave me just a pot sozed jam otr when the flush came and he eventually called with J10 and we shook hands and having said I would give him a lift we headed off but when I got him to pay for the petrol at Watford Gap services I left him and drove off to spite him for denying me the chance of giving Tikay the bling.

          Hope you got home ok Pretty boy!!

          The last part probably didnt happen but would have done if he hadnt gone out for another night out with the boys, I had a great few days up there and bumped into so many faces old and new and thoroughly enjoyed myself but now its back to work before maybe a jaunt back up for the deepstack....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2014, 03:02:54 PM
          Hi richard, nice to play with you on the same table.. No mention of that audicious Q8 bluff  ;D ;applause;
          A big score round the corner. no dount. wp!
          Ahh yes, good playing with you too bud.

          I dont remember the board or action but yes I had Q8ss but as the hand played it could have been QQ which I think was no pair on the river and Vinodh had bet the river and as no-one likes to play the last pot before a break and he looked a bit weak in body language I decided to raise fold the river if required so put in the raise and Vinodh went into the tank, now I rarely talk in hands but used this opportunity to chat to him and eventually asked what the penalty was if I showed a card and was told it was 1 orbit of 6 max so I was going to lose 450 chips taking the penalty having raised to 9650 so I exposed the Qs and Vinodh now said he could not beat Q10 with the 10 being the highest card on the boards and he folded showing me a ten with me showing the 8s for bants ;)

          See you soon in a satty ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: welsh1980 on February 24, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
          Hi richard, nice to play with you on the same table.. No mention of that audicious Q8 bluff  ;D ;applause;
          A big score round the corner. no dount. wp!
          Ahh yes, good playing with you too bud.

          I dont remember the board or action but yes I had Q8ss but as the hand played it could have been QQ which I think was no pair on the river and Vinodh had bet the river and as no-one likes to play the last pot before a break and he looked a bit weak in body language I decided to raise fold the river if required so put in the raise and Vinodh went into the tank, now I rarely talk in hands but used this opportunity to chat to him and eventually asked what the penalty was if I showed a card and was told it was 1 orbit of 6 max so I was going to lose 450 chips taking the penalty having raised to 9650 so I exposed the Qs and Vinodh now said he could not beat Q10 with the 10 being the highest card on the boards and he folded showing me a ten with me showing the 8s for bants ;)

          See you soon in a satty ;)
          Hmm


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on February 27, 2014, 01:12:47 PM

          Last place is reserved, just for you.


          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63340.msg1910675#new


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2014, 01:36:49 PM

          Last place is reserved, just for you.


          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63340.msg1910675#new
          In obviously ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
          Not really been upto much the last week or so since UKPC so not a lot to report on as been busy at work plus been putting a lot of work into the two businesses that are started or in the second clothes business case are about to start so time has been at a premium.

          The leaflets business starts monday with the first drop going out and I have purposely kept it at 2 leaflets to measure how the dropper gets on in the areas and how long it takes him.

          The second hand clothes shop is moving forward at a pace and we currently have over 1000 items of baby/toddler/childrens clothing that have been sourced from Facebook groups, Freecycle, boot sales etc and it has cost approximately 25pence per item so far with 10p shipping costs to get out there and based on our research we are likely to get on average 2.5-3 euro per item.  Petra's mum is going to work the shop which will be open for 40 hours per week and on the 26th March Petra and the kids fly out there with me following on the 1st April for us to get the shop ready and do some marketing ready for a May opening.

          In reality neither business is going to be a massive earner but will enable us to run a couple of decent vehicles on them and give us some flexibility in the future with other things we are planning for the end of 2014 and on...

          I loaded some money upto stakesandladders.com for the first time since joining and entered LilD's darts pool for something to sweat whilst playing the Deepstack online leg last night and managed a win for a cool £855 and at the same time made day2 of the deepstack going back with 26bb's Sunday so the usual suspects in the staking team have a small sweat to look forward to.

          Here was the lovely email greeting me at work today
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/stakesandladders.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 02:21:36 PM
          Early update for backers

          Chipped up to 118k at 12/2400 from 52000 without showdown except one hero on K665Q we bb vs Btn but live and chip tells gave him away

          58left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 03:38:40 PM
          Early update for backers

          Chipped up to 118k at 12/2400 from 52000 without showdown except one hero on K665Q we bb vs Btn but live and chip tells gave him away

          58left
          115k first break. Avg 165k 47 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on March 09, 2014, 03:47:42 PM
          Early update for backers

          Chipped up to 118k at 12/2400 from 52000 without showdown except one hero on K665Q we bb vs Btn but live and chip tells gave him away

          58left
          115k first break. Avg 165k 47 left

          good luck eso!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 04:06:57 PM
          Early update for backers

          Chipped up to 118k at 12/2400 from 52000 without showdown except one hero on K665Q we bb vs Btn but live and chip tells gave him away

          58left
          115k first break. Avg 165k 47 left

          good luck eso!
          Cheers bud
          268k at 2/4k. 43left avg 181


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 04:24:49 PM
          Upto 450k  open 58ss mp to 10k Fredwise calls co flop 462ccx bet 11k he flats turn 9c bet 22k he calls river 3d I bet 40k he raises to 110k and we call and are good


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 04:38:48 PM
          340k co opens to 12.5k @ 2.5/5k  we peel black 3s flop 10Q3rb ck call 13k turn 6 ck raise him in for 60k more and drawing thin vs 66 :(  avg 195k 40left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 05:33:45 PM
          Itm with 300k blinds 3/6k going 4/8in 6mins. Avg 210k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on March 09, 2014, 05:45:46 PM
          GLGLGLGL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on March 09, 2014, 05:50:12 PM


          Go Rich!



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 05:58:31 PM
          GLGLGLGL
          Cheers Monda and Pops
          540k 3b AQdd from Btn and tid otf then utg 2limps we bet 22k w A9hh sb ships 75k limper folds we snap get there v JJ on 9A6 flop. Avg 236 33 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Yian on March 09, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
          gl Rich TID


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
          gl Rich TID
          Ty Yian

          330k at 5/10k lost 2pots one where we have 22 on 6786 and are calling loads rivers vs Turk in the blinds but it comes an 8 he bets and shows 10jss  still above avg 275k 28 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 07:13:11 PM
          300k at 6/12k  27left avg 288k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on March 09, 2014, 07:16:30 PM
          glglglglgl bud


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 09, 2014, 07:16:47 PM
          glglglglgl bud


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
          Grinding now with bricks everywhere!!

          180k @6/12k 25left avg 315


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2014, 08:01:46 PM
          Dreams over bust 19th ship A8ss 10bbs from CO bb calls AJ window 8 door J gg 1250 cashed for 1 off ladder and 4 off a Ukipt seat :(

          Srry it wasn't more team will sort returns tomorrow


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Yian on March 09, 2014, 09:55:42 PM
          Multiple bubble pain. ul good effort.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on March 10, 2014, 12:05:24 AM
          Another deep run mate, well done on the cash!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 10, 2014, 03:55:35 PM
          Another deep run mate, well done on the cash!
          Cheers Dyl

          Shipped to all investors inc returned bullet unused


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Junior Senior on March 10, 2014, 05:39:52 PM
          another good run though Rich! UL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 11, 2014, 03:31:07 PM
          another good run though Rich! UL
          Cheers Greg and thanks again for your help with that HR matter!!

          Today is the start of Cheltenham obv's and this is the set up at work with Blonde open on the pc and speaking to the occasional client whilst watching all the races on the plasma above our head.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Cheltenhamsetup.jpg)

          Just had a cpl of small placepots today and backed Our Conor EW at 6/1 about 15 mins ago plus got Glens Melody and Highland Retreat in the betting w/o Quevega race but gonna smash into a placepot or 2 in the next couple of days to try and get a result.

          The Slovak shop is bounding on at a pace and we go out there in a couple of weeks time to see the premises and start some marketing so as Petra is the talented one of us she did an impromptu shoot with Max, Ivy and a couple of his friends and once we have added in the shop address muggins here will be dropping a load in the villages whilst we are over there.  We currently have 1800 items of clothing from new born to 8 year old which will give us a start and it has currently cost 33pence per item and the shipping cost is 10p but we are always on the look out for more stock so if you have any drop me a line...

          Here is the leaflet that will be A5 size.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slovakshop.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Steve Swift on March 12, 2014, 10:41:59 AM
          Hi Mate.

          I seem to recall that you said you wouldn't mind giving a few pointers on general inquiries about house moving and the current mortgage situation, if that's the case could you help with my question if not  soz for bothering you.

          If I wanted to relocate for Gravesend in Kent to Sheffield how would I go about getting a Mortgage based on my current earnings as a college Lecturer (In Kent)  to purchase the house in Sheffield.  I would initially not likely have a job set up in Sheffield at that point, or is the only way to secure a Job in Sheffield first?  In which case would a mortgage company view a new job as secure for this purpose.  Hope that this makes sense.

          Used to be able to get self certs  years ago which would have covered this situation.

          Regards


          Steve


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2014, 07:50:02 AM
          Will do a more in depth post tomorrow but today's is 5years since my Dad passed away and 4 years since Holly passed so a shared day of remembrance/celebration myself and Vinny share!

          Thinking of you today Vin x

          For those that have never read Vins diary (it's locked now :(  ) here is the link

          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=51243.0  (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=51243.0)

          An unbelievably touching read that had me in bits the first time I read it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on March 19, 2014, 07:53:07 AM
          I had tears in my eyes this morning when I saw Vin change his Facebook pics. Can't even imagine. RIP to tthe Kral Sr as well.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2014, 08:02:58 AM
          I had tears in my eyes this morning when I saw Vin change his Facebook pics. Can't even imagine. RIP to tthe Kral Sr as well.
          Just cannot imagine it, not on FB so I haven't seen but started to read his diary again for a few mins and it got me!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2014, 08:04:05 AM
          Wow Red-Dog itt ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on March 19, 2014, 08:09:29 AM
          The loss of a parent is unbelievably tough, it leaves a hole that can never be filled, but it's the natural way of things I suppose.

          Losing a child, that's something else entirely.

          My thoughts are with you both.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on March 19, 2014, 08:14:36 AM
          Hope day goes as well as can be expected mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on March 19, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
          Thoughts with you both today guys <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on March 19, 2014, 10:28:57 AM
          Much love and well wishes <3


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on March 19, 2014, 10:36:44 AM
          Xx


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on March 19, 2014, 10:58:42 AM
          My thoughts are with you both today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on March 19, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
          My thoughts are with you both today

          +1 two of the real great guys of blonde.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 28, 2014, 11:52:51 AM
          Been a bit busy the last week so thought I would come back to this now so thanks for all the kind thoughts itt ^^^ last week.

          This is/was my Dad and for those that have not read from the start and he passed away 5 years ago just before I got married to Petra and was lost to a cancer relapse that had been missed and then his records lost by the hospital causing further delays in treatment meaning it was too late to treat it and he was given 6months to live in the November and passed away peacefully with my brother, Petra and myself by his side whilst holding his hand.
          Here he is – Andrew Charles Blacklock

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Dad1.jpg)


          He was a really top Dad and a very well liked man in work and socially with my early memories of him being a man everyone had time for and he had an unbelievable caring side but even from an early age I remember the arguments that Mum and Dad had but he remained focused on us as kids.
          He grew up in Burton on Trent and attended a boarding school locally before working for Rolls Royce as an apprentice and had a long career there working his way up the ladder but left to pursue a career as a buyer in a big company and again worked his way to MD before he got moved aside at the age of 50 and found he couldn’t get re-employed as most people felt he was too old.
          His health problems had then started as documented in the early days of this diary and eventually having been consigned to the over 50’s work scrapheap he decided to wind down and took a chauffeur’s job for a cosmetic surgery company where he drove around picking up/dropping off mainly young women who had been in for boob/nose jobs and drove the surgeons around the country on a regular basis until he had to retire due to his illness.


          After he had passed we scattered most of his ashes here at Bretby Crematorium where his mother was scattered and due to the distance my brother and I agreed to scatter some in a lovely place just off the seafront by me as he had always wished to retire and live by the sea but never got the chance. (just spent 30 mins trying to rotate but given up!)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/cemetary1-1.jpg)

          Here is Ivy on the anniversary of his passing sat by the big oak tree where we scattered the ashes around the base and I drive past the tree every day on the way to work and always say “good morning” to him and on birthdays, anniversaries etc go and spend a few minutes with him for a chat and take the kids to see him.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEzTqo_aV1I

          If you have read from the start you will know that I caused a lot of hurt to him whilst he was alive and I had to live with the guilt of that whilst he was ill wondering if I had caused some of his health issues and was so glad when we actually started speaking again and had a few months together before he passed away but still regret hurting the great man and really regret the fact he never got to see his grandchildren as he would have been an amazing Grandad as we was a great Dad.
          I know since he passed I have done some things that he would be proud of and a fair few he would definitely not approved of but I guess that’s just me and being the person he was am sure he would understand but he is never forgotten and always in mine and my families thoughts.
          RIP Dad.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 28, 2014, 12:18:18 PM
          On a lighter note the past week to 10 days has seen Ivy's first birthday and Max's 3rd birthday and they had great days with us and some of the family.
          Excuse the singing but here are the kids on their respective birthdays with cakes made by Petra.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVBc0ppaKhY

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAa72mKZupk

          and a couple of days after Ivy turned 1 she started walking, now you cannot stop her and its great to see them go from crawling to suddenly walking around!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6txoQd9R9c

          The Ipad was not a present for her but it never ceases to amaze how kids are advanced using technology available and grow up with this as part of their normal lives.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0gwHL-rJdU

          Elsewhere 1500 items of kids clothing were shipped out last week to Slovakia to join what we already have out there and Petra and the kids flew on Wednesday afternoon for 2 weeks to get the shop ready to open on 5/4 with me flying out next Tuesday to help out before the Saturday.

          Petra has worked really hard on this and whilst its never going to be a multi million pound business it should provide around e1000-e2000 profit per month which we can either leave out there or bring back here and invest elsewhere with our plans for the next few years.

          I have not played Poker since the start of the month when I finished 19th in the deepstack but played last night in the £250 8max and finished 7/7/36 going into day2 on Sunday with 32.5bb's at starting bb 3000 when we return so although not healthy against my day 1 where the average was 80bb's we are still in!!

          Got close on the darts last night to a good score as had £4.5 trebles and Four folds in all the matches and if MVG had not taken out 128 in the last leg of his match could have quite easily scooped close to £6k but still nicked a few quid and had a sweat which is what Thurs nights are all about.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 01, 2014, 07:42:41 AM
          Just had a really good omelette at Luton airport on the way out to Slovakia via Brno in Czech Republic to hook up with Petra and family and finalise the shop ready for the opening on Saturday. She said it has gone pretty well so far and the next few days are about marketing in the surrounding villages to ensure they know about the shop, a few people from their village had a look in yesterday and one woman took an interest in some stock and Petra let her take a carrier bag of clothes as she knew her which came to €84 so it hopefully bodes well and it would be a lovely problem to have to need to find loads of stock.

          Pretty much bubbled both comps at Dtd the weekend finishing 26th with 24 paid when 4b jammed 23 bbs co v active button and he snapped 88 for similar having 3b to 5bbs and we didn't get there and in a stats based bet managed to get 7/8 home teams to score over 1.5 goals in the Bundesliga with only Dortmund 2/5 at home letting me down for a 6k score which was pretty sigh although the 6folds and 7fold still paid a bag for a £100 layout but that's twice in a week we have been one result off a 5k score :(

          7 days away then back for Southend GPS where the usual suspects have a piece off me....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 01, 2014, 11:05:06 AM
          Some great diarage Rich especially the lovely piece about your dad.

          Best of luck with the shop opening.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2014, 07:52:56 AM
          Some great diarage Rich especially the lovely piece about your dad.

          Best of luck with the shop opening.
          Cheers Ralph

          I have been here in Slovakia for a few days now and have dropped 5 villages with leaflets letting them know the shop opens today and have some great shots/videos of the villages and life here which I will post when back.

          The itself is pretty basic but fine for its purpose till we see how it goes and then we may need different premises and Petra and her mum opened about 1/2 hour ago so the me and the kids will see how they get on in a bit..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on April 05, 2014, 10:01:56 AM
          GL with the shop opening!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 05, 2014, 10:45:18 AM
          GL with the shop opening!
          Cheers Callumborntoshop


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on April 05, 2014, 10:46:18 AM
          GL Sir.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 05, 2014, 11:52:39 AM
          Good luck with the new venture mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 05, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
          Some great diarage Rich especially the lovely piece about your dad.

          Best of luck with the shop opening.



          Only just caught up now, but definitely this.


          Cheers for the vid of Ivy walking, nice to be reminded that I was steadier on my feet at 1 ;D


          Have fun on the trip, and best of luck with it going forward!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on April 05, 2014, 12:42:14 PM
          Good luck today mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: sonour on April 05, 2014, 07:12:44 PM
          Hope the 1st day went well Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on April 05, 2014, 07:18:20 PM
          good luck bud.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on April 05, 2014, 07:19:46 PM
          good luck bud.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 06, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
          Thanks everyone for the GL wishes and we think the first day went well with the shop being open from 8-12noon (lol village Saturday shop hours) but the sold €350 in total which was about 80 items and when you consider the total shop cost per month inc wages is €600 and with stock that was free/freecycle/bought cost on average per piece to get her .70cent they will do well out of it.

          Yesterday afternoon was a family meal in a different village so lots of homemade Slivko at 52% proof was drunk and the head is a bit fuzzy today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 01:27:27 PM
          Table 4/3 GPS Southend leggo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
          28k from 25 early on as old boy opens to 300 at50/100 we flat AA and Alan Mansbridge 3's to 1000 OR folds and we flat again flop QK3hh we ck he cks turn 9h :( ck ck again and on 2s river we bet 1000 and get called by JJ.

          Won a small one before to get to 28k and got a nice table so far...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on April 10, 2014, 02:31:35 PM
          Very best of luck buddy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
          Very best of luck buddy
          Cheers Dyl

          36.5k just into Lvl2


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 10, 2014, 02:38:18 PM
          Good luck mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 03:41:50 PM
          Good luck mate!
          Ur always there Marky ;)

          31.5k first break
          Lost my forward movement raising K8hh over a limper and getting 3callers flop 278cc Chks around turn 8c cks I bet 1/2 pot and both blinds call (bb Danny Toffel) river 6h we station a1/2 pot bet and are shown A2cc

          Could well be an overlay here this weekend as poker stars got an event on at the hippo and aspers have one too plus if Liam Batey isn't travelling and is playing DTD for a £40k pool over a 125k gtd pool reckon loads of north and midland regs will not travel so could be great value!!!

          The online leg didn't run last night either as not enough runners so nothing there to bolster the pot.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 10, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
          Good luck mate!
          Ur always there Marky ;)

          31.5k first break
          Lost my forward movement raising K8hh over a limper and getting 3callers flop 278cc Chks around turn 8c cks I bet 1/2 pot and both blinds call (bb Danny Toffel) river 6h we station a1/2 pot bet and are shown A2cc

          Could well be an overlay here this weekend as poker stars got an event on at the hippo and aspers have one too plus if Liam Batey isn't travelling and is playing DTD for a £40k pool over a 125k gtd pool reckon loads of north and midland regs will not travel so could be great value!!!

          The online leg didn't run last night either as not enough runners so nothing there to bolster the pot.

          There is a 25/25 in leicester G this weekend in the midlands (these have been making circa £50k/£60k pools in the midlands so far this year) as well which i was planning to play.  Surely the gps overlays if the online leg didn't even run.  That's pretty poor.  How many runners did it need to run?  GLGLGL richard win the lot. 3 fellow stokies are down for the weekend so some northerners have made the trip.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 04:14:49 PM
          Good luck mate!
          Ur always there Marky ;)

          31.5k first break
          Lost my forward movement raising K8hh over a limper and getting 3callers flop 278cc Chks around turn 8c cks I bet 1/2 pot and both blinds call (bb Danny Toffel) river 6h we station a1/2 pot bet and are shown A2cc

          Could well be an overlay here this weekend as poker stars got an event on at the hippo and aspers have one too plus if Liam Batey isn't travelling and is playing DTD for a £40k pool over a 125k gtd pool reckon loads of north and midland regs will not travel so could be great value!!!

          The online leg didn't run last night either as not enough runners so nothing there to bolster the pot.

          There is a 25/25 in leicester G this weekend in the midlands (these have been making circa £50k/£60k pools in the midlands so far this year) as well which i was planning to play.  Surely the gps overlays if the online leg didn't even run.  That's pretty poor.  How many runners did it need to run?  GLGLGL richard win the lot. 3 fellow stokies are down for the weekend so some northerners have made the trip.
          20 I think? And it only had 14 at the start.

          62 today and 2 re entries so it will be close imo

          Gl wherever u play bud


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on April 10, 2014, 04:16:39 PM
          I was gonna come then saw how far away southend is.

          Shuold be called end of the road


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 10, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
          Good luck mate!
          Ur always there Marky ;)

          31.5k first break
          Lost my forward movement raising K8hh over a limper and getting 3callers flop 278cc Chks around turn 8c cks I bet 1/2 pot and both blinds call (bb Danny Toffel) river 6h we station a1/2 pot bet and are shown A2cc

          Could well be an overlay here this weekend as poker stars got an event on at the hippo and aspers have one too plus if Liam Batey isn't travelling and is playing DTD for a £40k pool over a 125k gtd pool reckon loads of north and midland regs will not travel so could be great value!!!

          The online leg didn't run last night either as not enough runners so nothing there to bolster the pot.

          There is a 25/25 in leicester G this weekend in the midlands (these have been making circa £50k/£60k pools in the midlands so far this year) as well which i was planning to play.  Surely the gps overlays if the online leg didn't even run.  That's pretty poor.  How many runners did it need to run?  GLGLGL richard win the lot. 3 fellow stokies are down for the weekend so some northerners have made the trip.
          20 I think? And it only had 14 at the start.

          62 today and 2 re entries so it will be close imo

          Gl wherever u play bud

          Think i am going to come down tomorrow to the sunny sarfffffffffff and Southend on Sea.  Just realised my £440 gps token i won last night has a £5k bonus for winning added and a £1100 stars seat added for FT which i have to play the Southend GPS to receive.  On top of the overlay which looks sizeable to say the least.  I was driving to Leicester anyway for saturday's 25/25 and stay with my mum anyway so the extra 100 miles down the m11 won't be too much hassle for a 1pm start tomorrow.  See you there.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 05:16:32 PM
          I was gonna come then saw how far away southend is.

          Shuold be called end of the road
          Lolz now you feel sorry for me whenever you see me at Dusk yeah? ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 10, 2014, 05:41:51 PM
          i will probably have more respect for your dusk trips esp driving back and forth for the day 2s in the same weekend after tomorrow.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 06:03:01 PM
          i will probably have more respect for your dusk trips esp driving back and forth for the day 2s in the same weekend after tomorrow.
          Oh you will speshly when u hit the M25 and get stuck behind all Dubai's lot coming to Southend for the weekend from Romford as it's half term as well.

          Update for staking team

          Not a good 2 levels as we are down to 15k going back at 2/400/25 when we lose
          3 significant pots

          After break peel 500 at 1/2 67dd flop j75d villain bets 1/2 pot  which we call turn Ad  villain bets 1/2 pot river 6h bets 1/2 pot lose v JJ

          Then we brick AQhh on k45hh and bet fold river on 77 run out

          Finally lose w A4dd opening pm get 4callers flop  k47rb cks we cb and get called by sb but turn 4h which brings a flush draw that we bet 1/2pot and then call a small donk on the Jh river to be shown Q6hh

          Still 38bbs so were still in it...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 10, 2014, 11:30:17 PM
          79.5k at last break with 2levels to go today going back to 5/1000/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on April 10, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
          beast, are you busy these days? wanted to pm u but didnt want you feel compelled to answer in long way if you were busy.


          do wins today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
          beast, are you busy these days? wanted to pm u but didnt want you feel compelled to answer in long way if you were busy.


          do wins today.
          Yh really busy with the shop opening and leaflet business as well as normal work but ofc message me. Always got time for Bitb!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 12:57:59 AM
          120k with 50mins left of day 1 at 6/1200/200 avg 64k

          Note to self :- don't spanner it off!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 11, 2014, 01:03:09 AM
          What a beast  ;sexybanana;



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 11, 2014, 01:20:31 AM
          120k with 50mins left of day 1 at 6/1200/200 avg 64k

          Note to self :- don't spanner it off!

          Think of the fans! What was the final runner count? A mate wants to know for tomorrow


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 01:41:30 AM
          120k with 50mins left of day 1 at 6/1200/200 avg 64k

          Note to self :- don't spanner it off!

          Think of the fans! What was the final runner count? A mate wants to know for tomorrow

          64 + 14 re entries currently £31200 in pot


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 01:49:18 AM
          Bagged 117300


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 11, 2014, 02:09:40 AM
          120k with 50mins left of day 1 at 6/1200/200 avg 64k

          Note to self :- don't spanner it off!

          Think of the fans! What was the final runner count? A mate wants to know for tomorrow

          64 + 14 re entries currently £31200 in pot
          Cheers mate. Wp


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on April 11, 2014, 02:15:49 AM
          Good luck! Do some wins


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 11, 2014, 04:08:18 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 11, 2014, 07:30:04 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.

          Where are you playing on Saturday, Vincent?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 11, 2014, 07:30:24 AM
          Bagged 117300

          Excellent, well done.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 07:48:39 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.
          There is a 1 hour dinner break at 8pm so in the unlikely event** that you are still in and the kids are asleep I will come and find you.

          **obv relates to the former of the two


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 11, 2014, 08:02:24 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.
          There is a 1 hour dinner break at 8pm so in the unlikely event** that you are still in and the kids are asleep I will come and find you.

          **obv relates to the former of the two

          Ahh, I understand now - The Vin is playing Sarfend. He can ignore my question now.

          Think the Westcliff Casino may have been the first time you & I played poker together?

          If so, it was nearly 4 years ago, a £300 Main Event. With 14 runners......which ended up as a 4 way chop, lol. 4 way chop in a 14 runner affair!

          To be fair, we chopped to save returning the next day, for Day 2, as the Casino inexplicably refused to allow us to play to a conclusion on Day 1.


          http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=46101

          Can't see your name there, though?

          ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 09:05:44 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.
          There is a 1 hour dinner break at 8pm so in the unlikely event** that you are still in and the kids are asleep I will come and find you.

          **obv relates to the former of the two

          Ahh, I understand now - The Vin is playing Sarfend. He can ignore my question now.

          Think the Westcliff Casino may have been the first time you & I played poker together?

          If so, it was nearly 4 years ago, a £300 Main Event. With 14 runners......which ended up as a 4 way chop, lol. 4 way chop in a 14 runner affair!

          To be fair, we chopped to save returning the next day, for Day 2, as the Casino inexplicably refused to allow us to play to a conclusion on Day 1.


          http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=46101

          Can't see your name there, though?

          ;)
          Oh yes I remember it well as they had big trouble getting runners for anything over a £100 and 14-17 was the spread for most of those tournaments sadly.

          We spoke about my friend the golf guy and I made that speach play against a good friend of mine where I induced him to call with a set although it was a bit questionable and a poss angle.

          I made a thread about it which had a mixed response but I knew my friend would take it in good spirit and I had seen Roberto do it on telly a few weeks before and wanted to try it
          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50221.0http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50221.0


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 11, 2014, 09:18:33 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.
          There is a 1 hour dinner break at 8pm so in the unlikely event** that you are still in and the kids are asleep I will come and find you.

          **obv relates to the former of the two

          Ahh, I understand now - The Vin is playing Sarfend. He can ignore my question now.

          Think the Westcliff Casino may have been the first time you & I played poker together?

          If so, it was nearly 4 years ago, a £300 Main Event. With 14 runners......which ended up as a 4 way chop, lol. 4 way chop in a 14 runner affair!

          To be fair, we chopped to save returning the next day, for Day 2, as the Casino inexplicably refused to allow us to play to a conclusion on Day 1.


          http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=46101

          Can't see your name there, though?

          ;)
          Oh yes I remember it well as they had big trouble getting runners for anything over a £100 and 14-17 was the spread for most of those tournaments sadly.

          We spoke about my friend the golf guy and I made that speach play against a good friend of mine where I induced him to call with a set although it was a bit questionable and a poss angle.

          I made a thread about it which had a mixed response but I knew my friend would take it in good spirit and I had seen Roberto do it on telly a few weeks before and wanted to try it
          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50221.0http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50221.0

          Ha, what a great thread you linked to.

          I remember the whole incident, as if it were yesterday.

          I so nearly ruined the coup though, as the moment you said "good call" & did all the theatricals, I KNEW what was going off & burst into laughter.

          In that hand where I limp-folded, I probably had K-K. Can't be too careful, eh? My annual bluff with 3-2 was most satisfying, though.

          Strange, a two bit Tourney with a handful of runners, but in my little file of poker memories, I've rarely had a more enjoyable evening. 

          Your m8 was good craic, too.

          Interesting how, in that thread, you got so bashed up, as people did not read the situation properly. It was just 2 mates, joshing, having fun.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 11, 2014, 10:12:50 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.

          No Nando's for me son.  Hate the place.  Plus got the diet thread to think about. ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 11, 2014, 11:55:15 AM
          Bagged 117300

          What?

          Who's buying me dinner tomorrow? Ffs, stuck with arbboy by the looks of it.

          No Nando's for me son.  Hate the place.  Plus got the diet thread to think about. ;D
          The casino has a restaurant if your planning on joining the exclusive club...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 12, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
          Day 2 GPS westcliff
          117.3 @ 8/1600  80odd left
          Leggo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on April 12, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
          gogogogo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 12, 2014, 01:28:07 PM
          GLGLGL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on April 12, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
          GL!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 12, 2014, 02:40:20 PM
          Cheers guys

          Started badly and chipped down to 65k by playing one hand QQ badly and trying to be a wizard in another but regrouped and won a pot to get to 95k again before 3b'ing a Thomas Buust open from 4600 to 8500 in co at 8/1600 and Q9dd he peels and off to the flop we went which came 7104dd he checks, we bet 8500 he insta peels turn Ks he checks I decide to take the free on and the Jh rivers and he checks again I bet 12k and he counts out 42k and pushes it across the line and then stares at me intently.

          I tell him I have the nut blocker to the hand he should have here and call and he mucks.

          175k and no image at 1/2/200 68left avg 102k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 12, 2014, 04:27:44 PM
          Won a few pots with the best hand then open 46dd to 5200 at 12/2400 young guy peels the bb and we flop 345 one diamond he cks we bet 5100 he calls to see a turn 7d he cks we bet 8500 he peels again and we get to the Ad river where he bets 25k with 25k back we ship and he snaps j9dd and we now have 110k instead of 250k :(
           50 left avg 135k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 12, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
          GG GPS unfortunately guys as utg1 opens to 6k at 1500/3000 David laronde flats,next guy flats, sb flats and we have 74k in the bb and JQhh obv we could take the low variance route and flat but felt jamming gets through a lot as long as OR hasn't got it and after he folds it folds to the sb who eventually calls with 99 and there was no sweat except the overs draw which didn't get there so we bust in 40th :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 12, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
          I've noticed in a lot of reports over the last few months that you seem to flat bigs hands pre. I'm talking about QQ+ really. Is this something you are aware of? And why do you do it so much?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 13, 2014, 02:32:35 PM
          I've noticed in a lot of reports over the last few months that you seem to flat bigs hands pre. I'm talking about QQ+ really. Is this something you are aware of? And why do you do it so much?

          Nice to see you both at sunny sarfend.  I might move there if i could run like eso seems to.  Given me rubs to check some racing results for him during the gps when he knows he is already weighed in.  Toasty life having these 12/1 and 5/1 mug doubles that cop.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 13, 2014, 02:46:15 PM
          I've noticed in a lot of reports over the last few months that you seem to flat bigs hands pre. I'm talking about QQ+ really. Is this something you are aware of? And why do you do it so much?

          Nice to see you both at sunny sarfend.  I might move there if i could run like eso seems to.  Given me rubs to check some racing results for him during the gps when he knows he is already weighed in.  Toasty life having these 12/1 and 5/1 mug doubles that cop.

          Haha, Eso is on the cutefish express as well then...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 10:30:50 AM
          SLOVAKIA

          Well it's been a bit manic since our return with the GPS straight after but wanted to give a small insight into the business and life over there in general, most people know I love the place and would move there tomorrow language barrier except ofc but it is still a poor country with the average wage about E300-400 however I believe there is growth to be had in the country it's just finding that niche.

          So on arrival on the Tues 1st April my job was to start promoting the shop that was opening on the Saturday and we had 5000 leaflets printed up to drop to the surrounding villages as where they are 40 mins from Bratislava most people will shop in the next big town and the villages tend to keep themselves to themselves. Our shop is located in Petra's home village of Rohoznik where we got married 5 years ago and the village itself is made up of predominantly flats with houses on the outskirts and in the centre of the flats are the local shops, Schenk (which is the bar for workers and you rarely see women in there except the brassy barmaids) and the schools.
          This is Rohoznik

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWnimcK6fdE

          more and more in the villages you see plots of land being developed so there is definitely property potential over there as before when the sons got married they would move there wife into the family home and either build another story on top or once the parents passed they inherited it and bought out the younger generation etc etc with no real property market outside of Bratislava itself.  There a rarely any for sale boards in any villages as properties tend to be sold via word of mouth but I think this will change as the younger generation and the country get richer and plots closer to Bratislava sell for more than the ones in Rohoznik for example although it would still be classed as a commuter town.

          Here is a clip of a new build and as many homes run there central heating system on log burner systems you often see mass deliveries of wood to be chopped, stored and dried out for the winter with the wood in this clip being half a  winters worth of fuel once chopped.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHud_KdS8EY

          So from Tues afternoon to Fri aft I was leaflet dropping all the surrounding villages and these next two clips are why I would move out there if I could at some point as the quietness and views are amazing and if you have a few quid behind you you can live like a king for not a lot. Both houses here would cost probably 100k euro for the plot and then the build cost.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvWcMMb7XSA

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPgqsPM8n_M

          I am 100% sure there will be money to be made on property in Slovakia in years to come and we will probably look to secure a plot of land soon to build something for us eventually and are currently doing some research into build costs as if you can find a one story property like the first one in this clip you can add a story like the house opposite and you have a detached house.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fafVA05I38A


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Steve Swift on April 14, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
          Real interesting, post more vids sir, One of your shop?

          Steve


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 11:23:44 AM
          For people who live in Bratislava central where unless you have a lot of money you live in a flat so they tend to buy a small plot for the weekend on the outskirts of villages and drive out and stay in them with the family and outside dining when the weather is good is what they are all about as they are a very social bunch of people.

          These are the summer houses for the weekend with the second one being Petra's sisters inlaws place even though they already have houses in the same village they just prefer to be there over the weekend.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-12.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-11.jpg)

          So after the shop had closed its doors on Saturday for the first time we whizzed a couple of villages down and had a little get together where they had cooked a massive Goulash in a pot for everyone which was accompanied by some fresh bread, BBQ meat and various salads
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-20.jpg)

          Obv along with a few shots of Slivko (Slovakia's plumb based spirit) with the one in shot being home made and 52% proof although it is not uncommon to find an 80% proof knocking around which really warms the body!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-19.jpg)

          Whilst going for a walk with Miro the father in law who in the 7 years I have been going there I have never seen have a drink yet he is the ringleader in getting everyone a shot as soon as their glass is empty takes me to the chap in the second photo's plot and I knew where this was going to go and he immediately cracks open a beer and pours me shot of dark rum :( needless to say I was pretty smashed by the end of the afternoon.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-18.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-21.jpg)

          They are pretty self sufficient as a poor country and never let anything go to waste with all the joints from the meats used to make soups or stock and using cheaper cuts well to make really good dishes as well as growing their own veg to keep some ££ in the house and the daughters tend to inherit their mothers cooking traits so do most of their cooking from scratch and in our house there is never anything processed or ready meals.
          The veg plot
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-15.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-14.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on April 14, 2014, 12:00:51 PM
          Truly fascinating stuff Rich, and the way you write about it is very revealing.

          In light of recent developments, I may have to find you a new pigeon hole.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
          Whilst walking the villages I took some other random photos

          This is one winters wood all chopped up into logs so you can imagine if the owner of this house played poker he would have a neat and tidy stack!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-5.jpg)

          A working water well in the garden of one of the homes which was a tad dated so is probably still used daily
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-4.jpg)

          Most of the older generation in the villages get around by using a bike similar to this and they just really look after them hence for a bike that is god knows how many years old they still get by.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-7.jpg)

          I also saw this being built in one of the villages which looks pretty sexy imo and look forward to seeing it finished next time I am back over there, if we ever did buy a decent plot over there I think we would go for something very modern or grand designs type as long as the plot was decent enough.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-17.jpg)

          Ok so onto the shop well its located in the centre of Rohoznik and there are 5 villages locally that would drive to the village for this type of shop along roads like this with scenery as per the clip
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwTfzmikMg

          The shop itself is really basic to be honest but expected over there as they dont normally put a sign above the window in the village shops as there are no more than 4-5 shops in each village so people just know, we however have put a banner above and will improve it once we really see how the shop is doing as well as redoing the inside.
          Here is the shop
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-1.jpg)

          The windows and doors have recently been done just waiting on the finish and they are just waiting on the fronts to be painted and rendered and as you can see next door is a hairdresser and at the very end on the left is the village florist but if you didnt already know you would never know, I guess it shows in some ways how far behind they are due to communism where the Czech side kept the Slovaks as the poor relations before the walls came down so in esscence they are 10 years behind the rest of europe.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpg)

          Inside the shop
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-2.jpg)
          This was just before the shop opened and if it does ok in a couple of months we will get the tiles off the walls and replaster just to make it nice inside as well as upgrade the rails which we purchased online for 150euro and will do for now so all in all this shop costs us £18/20e to run per day which includes rent and the wages and it's staffed by Petra's mum and her friend who work 4 hours per day each with one in in the morning and th eother in the afternoon and they receive the princely sum of £2 per hour to man the shop!!!

          That does not seem like a lot but if you worked 40 hours per week even on that which is their equivalent of the minimum wage you could live very comfortably with a loaf of bread 20p and at the local workers bar round the corner to our shop a large beer and slivko on the side setting you back 50p.

          By the time we had flown back on Tuesday (open 2.5 days) with a few pre sales added in we had taken roughly £500 which covers next months cost with 3 1/2 weeks left of the first month being open so we are happy with how it has gone so far.  They have some strange tax areas over there wherby as Petra's mum works the shop she can work x amount of hours without paying tax as a direct relative of Petra and as the business is classed a small ie a sole trader at the end of the tax year Petra just pays 20% tax on the profit and the rest she can just keep as it's classed as "her money"

          They also pay everyone on a certain day in Slovakia and from recollection I think it's the 12th so again as a not so wealthy group of people the villagers should have some extra euro's available for the next few weeks and as the standard of clothing we are selling probably exceeds what a lot of the kids are currently wearing we really hope this will do well.

          On another side there is a very poor side to Slovakia so as we are locating clothes and picking up clothes from free cycle all the time as well as purchasing at boot sales ie yesterday Petra went to Dunton and purchased a car load of clothes for £200 which will now be washed, boxed into age groups and shipped over in 2 weeks time we are trying to find a charity in Bratislava that we will give any clothes we dont use to give a little back as well.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 12:43:07 PM
          On the Sunday which was our only "day off" whilst there we went to Bratislava Zoo with the kids and family
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-22.jpg)

          Another example of great value over there with 6 adults, 3kids from 1-3 year old and a teenager all in for 40 euro

          I am personally a bit meh about Zoo's as kind of think with some of the animals they should be in their own environment having seen them on Safari when we went to Tanzania but still looked in awe of the bear and white tiger
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kotTy85jF68

          #Invalid YouTube Link#

          Max and his cousin loved the Chimps
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-23.jpg)

          Why are Lions always sleeping?
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-24.jpg)

          Ivy had her first ride on a horse and Max his first on a motorbike with each ride in the zoo costing 1euro for 5mins!!  You would never get that over here.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-26.jpg)

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nMJGDLTdRU

          and that folks was Slovakia this time around with us flying back...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 01:03:40 PM
          I've noticed in a lot of reports over the last few months that you seem to flat bigs hands pre. I'm talking about QQ+ really. Is this something you are aware of? And why do you do it so much?

          Nice to see you both at sunny sarfend.  I might move there if i could run like eso seems to.  Given me rubs to check some racing results for him during the gps when he knows he is already weighed in.  Toasty life having these 12/1 and 5/1 mug doubles that cop.
          Cheers bud and you!

          It was pretty comical as had just texted Dubai but for those that dont know I backed a few winners the weekend
          Saturday before day 2 of the GPS I fancied 2 Fahey horses that had run at the Lincoln meeting but races never panned out for them so had this bet
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-28.jpg)
          This returned £3035 so when Arboy came to the table I asked him to check the result as I couldnt get wifi along with a text to Dubai saying "Can you please check these as got no wifi here" he replies "You have the first winner so a sweat on" followed by "F*** off no wifi"
          "WPWP"
          I also aftertimed Arboy with this one to bag another £600
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-29.jpg)

          So having busted the main event I set about trying to get myself out of the £600 Master Golf hole I was in with not one runner likely to place and only Donaldson EW place likely or Langer at 7/4 Top German over Kaymer likely to return any ££ so Sunday consisted of some winners and losers with the losers being £40EW Christiforo Collumbo, £250 Chelsea to score over 1.5 goals at Swansea, £100 Masters 2ball final round double on Channing's fancies but my final 3 arrows on the final day were £465 on Bubba (£96 at 10/3 the rest at 3/1) plus 2x £75 EW bets on Blixt and Fowler at 12/1 so copped a few quid as well and watched Bubba play a great final round.

          Dont know if this was posted anywhere but people (Arboy mainly) say WAL but this guy once per year really does have that life
          http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/meet-jeff-knox--the-guy-with-the-greatest-job-in-golf--augusta-marker-155021216.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/meet-jeff-knox--the-guy-with-the-greatest-job-in-golf--augusta-marker-155021216.html)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 14, 2014, 01:12:05 PM
          I've noticed in a lot of reports over the last few months that you seem to flat bigs hands pre. I'm talking about QQ+ really. Is this something you are aware of? And why do you do it so much?
          Will come back to this later bud

          Cheers Tom and Steve btw as well.

          Now better catch up with the 300 emails I missed whilst away from work instead of grinding the diary!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on April 22, 2014, 09:45:59 PM
          Pm Sent.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
          Well Bank holiday Monday saw a milestone birthday when I turned

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/big401.png)

           :(

          I really didnt want to celebrate the fact so we just had a family day out taking Max to the local skate park at the seafront and then as the weather was nice went into Old Leigh which is a lovely old part of our town and fishing village with niche restaurants and seafront bars as well as the standard seafood outlets.

          Ivy had her first outing on the beach and as per usual was the polar opposite to Max as a baby who loved her feet being in/on the sand so this bodes well for the summer break!

          Here is Max at the skate park on his scooter where he pall'd up with this lad called Phoenix who is actually 5 but was premature and had growth problems since but despite his lack of height he throws himself around and Max just followed him around although he stacked it a few times whilst being a tad too brave and didnt quite get into the basin on the top level.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Qv5YABqZE

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-30.jpg)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 25, 2014, 03:45:08 AM
          Happy belated birthday mate x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: millidonk on April 25, 2014, 08:19:53 AM
          Happy belated birthday mate x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 25, 2014, 08:23:07 AM


          Middle-aged though, Nursery-Fee man will mock relentlessly.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 25, 2014, 10:26:27 AM
          Happy belated birthday mate x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on April 25, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
          Not as old as me...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 25, 2014, 12:39:19 PM
          Ohhhh... belated happy birthday mate!

          Vinny didn't turn up for dinner, as a gift?

          :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2014, 12:46:40 PM


          Middle-aged though, Nursery-Fee man will mock relentlessly.
          Well he has admitted to being old now himself so I can take it from him ;)

          Ballers in Leigh on Sea dont worry about nursery fees it's more whether the Au pair takes them or we do!

          As part of my birthday pressie Petra arrange for us to go and see a play yesterday at the Garrick in London just by Leicester Square and had arranged for my mum to have the kids at ours to give us a very rare kid free day together so we headed off to the smoke at 9.30.

          I have a real love hate relationship with London but I thinks it's mainly due to a lack of knowledge about the area so we decided to mooch around and have a stroll along the thames having got off at Fenchurch Street and took the short walk to Tower Bridge, I do love the mix of modern and traditional in London and it's so much the money area as you see by the number of cranes ontop of the buildings.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-35.jpg)

          Selfie of us at Tower Bridge
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-36.jpg)

          then we headed along the Thames and walked up to get the tube but was busrting for the loo so conveniently found a Paddy Power shop and Petra got ID'd under their "think 21" and as she didnt have any ID had to wait outside which was comical although she didnt see the funny side of it but I said she should take it as a compliment.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-34.jpg)

          Having wandered around the outside of Buckingham Palace and then through Green Park we ended up having lunch just by Picadilly circus before heading off to "The Garrick"  to see "12 Angry Men" which was really good and had some familiar faces in it including Robert vaughn (of hustle fame amongst others) Tom Conti and Jeff Fahey.  Would defo recc to anyone to see it!

          Whilst walking through Leicester Square I saw this which made me smile
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-32.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 25, 2014, 03:23:29 PM


          Middle-aged though, Nursery-Fee man will mock relentlessly.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-34.jpg)


          Rich gets maxed at 6.38

          Happy birthday ya old git! Good to see the businesses have kicked into gear. The live poker score is coming!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 31, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
          Well it's been a while since an update and normally that means that the diarist is knocking it in and I'm sad to report that it is not the case here!

          I have been unbelievably busy over the past month with everything in my life and if I could add another couple of hours to the day it would really help me out.

          Cliffs would be
          Had a promotion at work
          Some staff leaving so working most days
          Spending time on both the businesses

          Essex Countryside
          I now have a role whereby I am based in the same office but take a helicopter approach to the running of the other two offices leaving my MD to deal with the networking and marketing side which he is really good at, this in essence is a really good position as if I get a good group of people in the offices then we should progress and grow our market share as the brand already has a really good name and with a turnover target for the 3 offices this year of £1.25million in fees and 2015 looking to achieve 1.5million it's important to have the right team around you.

          One of the offices had a few plodders in there and on being promoted, within a couple of days the manager who has been with the firm 15 years resigned but had already secured a new role so it wasnt just because of me and he was starting to come under some pressure as his office was number 1 by a long way when I took over here in 2011 and we were 3rd but went 2nd, 1st, 1st and he was in danger of being 3rd this year so it has given us the chance to have a clean sweep in the office and recruit a guy who I worked with at my previous company and works like we do and is the 5th member of staff I have taken from the old company so we are not flavour of the month back there.

          The property market is still really bouyant down in Essex and properties are selling at obscene amounts of money with loads of panic buying going on and not many properties coming to the market which further fuels the prices around here and I do wonder when it will stop if it ever does...

          This week we took on an interesting property called Bannister House
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/BanHouse2.jpg)

          Here it was being extended 40 years ago
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/newextension.jpg)

          The history dates back to the 15th century with some amazing features still within and can be yours for a mere £930'000
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/bannfront.jpg)

          This property here is just down the road and has been on the market for over 1 year and started at £750k which was £100k over the top and if they had been on at £675k from the start the chances are they would have sold and having been very patient with their initial choice of agent and having received x number of letters for me touting for their business they finally succumbed 10 days ago and gave me instructions at £650k and having only had 5 viewings in 1 year and 1 viewing this year I managed to get 2 viewings in the first week of marketing and tied up an offer late this week at £617.5k bagging a £10k fee and also sticking it in the eye of the other agent which is always nice but happens to us as well obviously but in a small village they will see that it is ourselves who have agreed the sale and should lead to more business going forward.
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30423858.html?premiumA=true (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-30423858.html?premiumA=true)


          LONDON KIDS CLOTHES SHOP
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slovakshop.jpg)

          Has now been open for 2 months and showed £1k euro profit in the first month and will do £1.5k profit by the end of this month and has gone really well so much so that we are now sending stuff every 2-3 weeks instead of 4-5 weeks and have started to send toddlers toys and prams/pushchairs that are picked up for as little as £2 and then given a good clean and sent over which then retails at between 20-40 (push chairs etc) euro and sell as soon as they hit the shop and shows there is a demand for the stuff so long may it continue.

          MAX'S FIRST FOOTBALL COACHING
          Today this little man has his first coaching session and here he was at 15 months so hopefully he has some of the Blacklock ball/eye co-ordination and can take it a touch furthe rthan I did, here he was at 15 months in the garden.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnWoOcswjJE

          I'm looking forward to a dusk visit next weekend for the deepstack and in a warm up played the Luton £20k monthly yesterday and managed to make day 2 with 42bb's going back tomorrow so hoping for a bit of rungood for the next week or so.

          Be lucky punters.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 14, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
          Today was the first time I have logged into blonde in a week and having read 3 pages of threads I wanted to catch up on I can now update what has been going on in my little world.

          The pokerz was pretty lol worthy with having chipped up nicely in the early levels of day 2 at Luton I tried to get a lady to fold QK on AKJ 8 T when I had 67dd and she didnt feel like folding funnily enough and then outflopped someone for my last 8bbs with A7 vs AK but didnt hold to the river to exit and it was GG!

          Managed to iron out 4 bullets at the £250 deepstack in a combo of online legs where I never got started then got some chips before I spewed off and over bet bluff jammed a river with K9cc in a 3b pot with us the 3b'or from the btn to see a runout of 369hh 10h 9c losing to JQhh and then used the other 2 bullets in the 1pm leg at Dusk and left with the hump deciding to play the £220 at Luton instead of another couple of bullets at Dusk if it didnt go well.

          Luton didnt go well either as having opened utg with JJ and found the obligatory 4 callers a wizard in the bb who was tilted from a combo of hands decided it was a good time to ship 50bbs and whilst against an older gentleman this is borderline I felt pretty confident in my read of him in general and called and it was "off to the races" against  Th 3c and we didnt win and then I ground 10-17bbs for 4 levels I exited for 11bbs after an open and 2 callers I got K9cc in vs A10hh vs the OR and didnt do a get there so it was back home early and a family day Sunday instead of a day2 but reminded me of even when I'm losing I'm wiinning!!
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlMzcbtz84


          These are now the 3 offices under my wing with Thorpe Bay, Rayleigh and Leigh on sea and I have only managed to have one person resign in the past 2 weeks so I cannot be doing too bad.  The person who left was expected to leave and follow another leaver from last month and it has meant I can put a team of people into all the offices that I have worked with before and will work in the way we want to moving forward and we are about to launch a summer promotion where we hope to scoop up loads of business but that is a bit edgy and unique to this area at the moment but buyers might not be happy with us, we also feel we need to do this promotion before any other agents pick up on it so being first to market with it is key...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/thorpebay.png)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/rayleigh.png)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/leighonsea.png)

          This little man has his 3rd footie session today and here he was this morning
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/CmonEngland.jpg)
          The first week he didnt want to do any dribbling or stopping the ball instead he wanted to be by the goal and ping it in constantly with his left peg.  I love the fact he is completely left footed at the moment as am pretty sure as an average left footer he could make it due to numbers and then last week he was better and included himself more in the group doing stuff the other kids do so hopefully he keeps listening and learning.

          I have to say a big big thank you to Little Dave who as the absolute star that he is jumped on a train from Leeds at the un-earthly hour of 845am to meet myself and Dubai so I could show them a possible business venture for the 3 of us or another couple of faces if the figures work out and having gone for a coffee first we played "Lil Dave thinks" re properties around from Hornchurch to Southend which was pretty comical and LilD's std answer after he was miles out on the first few was £700k whether it was a penthouse appt or a detached mansion.  He also found out that "darn Sarff" the weather is much better and it wasnt long before he took off 2 of the layers he had left Leeds in as Southend baked in the sunshine at late 20's by the sea.

          Having shown them what could be an absolutely iconic building just off the seafront (cannot really say too much here yet but news may follow...) I am trying to secure which could have a really long term potential as part of a portfolio of business we eventually resided for a spot of lunch at "The Boat Yard" in old leigh and had something to eat before I showed them "chez Kral" and then dropped them back to Romford to continue their night out with some London hero's before the crab flew to Marbella.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/BignLilD.jpg)

          Obv I lost the dinner flip :(

          Another person I dont flip well vs and a fellow Malteser Vincent Callenti has a big week ahead so muchos love/thoughts will be with you big man and your school girl gf ofc.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on June 14, 2014, 07:06:52 PM
          Love this diary, it never fails to lift my spirits.

          Glad to see that you're all well and looking forward to the next installment.

          Also waiting with bated breath for Vinni's news.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on June 25, 2014, 03:59:07 AM


          Rich,

          I see you have not logged on for over a week, hope it is just pressure of work/earning loads of money.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on June 25, 2014, 10:17:59 AM


          Rich,

          I see you have not logged on for over a week, hope it is just pressure of work/earning loads of money.

          I've just spoke to him. He's well and very busy. Will be on blonde soon to update.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on June 25, 2014, 07:08:35 PM


          Rich,

          I see you have not logged on for over a week, hope it is just pressure of work/earning loads of money.

          I've just spoke to him. He's well and very busy. Will be on blonde soon to update.

          Good news.

          It's odd how when some regulars go AWOL, we notice straight away, but others disappear & nobody notices.

          For the record, I never noticed Rich had disappeared.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 05, 2014, 10:44:20 AM


          Rich,

          I see you have not logged on for over a week, hope it is just pressure of work/earning loads of money.
          Hi Tikay

          thanks for noticing I had gone awol for a bit ;)

          It has been vvvv busy on all life fronts with some interesting developments which I shall come back to soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on July 05, 2014, 11:52:43 AM
          hope everything is going well and you are crushing the life scene :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 07, 2014, 10:48:27 AM
          hope everything is going well and you are crushing the life scene :)
          Cheers Callum, the life scene has been good and I will update over the next couple of days but I have been reading your ventures with interest ;)

          Just incase anyone does not see it Petra took Vinny and Amanda's newborn shots of their handsome boy Archie which were taken at Chez Kral last week so I have cut and pasted this from the Gratz Vinny thread in the rail....

           Petra was lucky enough to be chosen to do Vinny and Amanda's baby photos (lucky or unlucky I suppose if you wanted paying for doing some work ;) ) and I am sure he wont mind me sharing a couple of the photo's from the day last week.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/VinnyFamily.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/VinnyArchie.jpg)

          My favourite shot of the day though is this which for those that know Vinny and his backstory is a really poingant photo

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/VinnyHands.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on July 07, 2014, 10:50:13 AM


          Rich,

          I see you have not logged on for over a week, hope it is just pressure of work/earning loads of money.
          Hi Tikay

          thanks for noticing I had gone awol for a bit ;)

          It has been vvvv busy on all life fronts with some interesting developments which I shall come back to soon.

          I was actually hoping you had gone for good, tbh.

          It's weird, but I'm like a fretting parent, when blonde regulars go missing, I notice it straight away, & worry. Not in your case, obv.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
          Well this is really likely to be a TL;DR but I will split it into two parts and also give cliffs if you cannot be bothered to read the full update  ;)

          Cliffs of the past few weeks are

          1) I have spread myself way too thin!!
          2) We are now a standard 2.4 kids family with an extra addition
          3) I am a clothes bank for a couple of local schools which means we buy clothes for the Slovak shop at £1 per kilo and export or give the unusable stuff to charity
          4) I am still walking the streets for my leaflet firm
          5) Running 3 offices is not easy, especially when we are about to launch a really edgy promotion
          6) Petra is giving something back to families that I am not sure I could ever do!!
          7) Hypnotherapy for me
          8) Seafront Venture
          9) 10 years of property developing ahead.....

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Spreading.jpg)
          A couple of months ago I realised I was spreading myself really really thin and something had to give. That something was Blonde and having been around here for about 4 years I have seen many people come and go as I am sure those have with much longer memberships than my goodself, so for the first time since I started posting and reading I had to stop trying to read every post (I am fortunate that my job means I can browse whilst being on the phone and working at the same time) and for days even didnt read at all then would have a quick catch up beofre going back to my self induced exile.

          Instead of browsing whilst working I was using the time to write down other ideas or things I needed to do for the businesses etc etc as there just is not the time in the day to do everything I would like plus with having a young family it's impossible to work late every evening so at least 3 evenings per week I leave on time with the rest of my week looking like this
          5.15am - Get up and ither try to do some exercise or reply to emails (some mornings the snooze button wins)
          6.30 - The kids are awake so thats me and them before we all go down to breakfast as a family at 7.45am
          8.10 - Off to work
          6.45 - latest am back home and it's bath time before story time and I put Maxwell to sleep before getting back downstairs about 7.45pm.
          8pm - bit of dinner and some time with Petra or some joint work related stuff and bed between 11 and midnight
          Rinse repeat

          As you can see spending loadsa time browsing just does not fit with that as a general day.

          2.4 Kids and a new addition
          Petra is 32 next week and has never needed a car but with going to various kids groups now and all the businesses requiring her to be mobile we had to invest in a motor, surprisingly she has never owned a car before so it was a pretty big deal for her and we wanted something to last a good 5 years or until we decided to change again plus with various members of her family coming here for the summer and other times of the year we needed a 7 seater to enable us all to go out for the day so we strapped ourselves up with a bit of finance bought a decent spec late 2012 S-max
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-38.jpg)
          Here it is, nothing sexy really about it and it sometimes feels like a boat when you are in it but it will suit her well for now...

          I on the other hand have never been a petrol head in the slightest and where we live parking is at a premium and I travel between 3 offices which are 5 miles apart so when this little beauty came available I decided I would try it out and changed from my sporty golf to a little mini which is like driving a rally car but gets around quicker than I did before and I love it except I look a bit ghey in it!!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mini.jpg)

          SLOVAK SHOP
          At the firm I work for we sponsor a few schools summer fetes and Christmas bazaars so I have a good relationship with the head teachers and fund raisers with the schools which reside in our fairly monied area so as we are always looking to purchase clothes for the shop as cheaply as we can asked them if they would like to be a clothes bank for me which they gladly accepted and sent letters out to the parents so last week I collected my first lot where we gift the school £1 per kilo of colthes which exceeds the standard 65p max in the area and means the school get to choose what they wish to spend the money on.  We realise that we will get a load of clothes that are unsuitable for the shop so we then give to local charities over here on in Slovakia that we know will put them to good use and so far this is working well.

          Petra still devotes about 3 hours per week to the sourcing of clothes from bott sales or free cycle, facebook etc so doesnt invest too much time and on average since opening the shop has cleared £1k profit per month which is great as a little sideline.

          SWIFT LEAFLETS
          This is my little baby and is so simple once you have droppers and an ability to sell to people/trades that should use the service as part of their brand awareness/marketing strategy in fact as scary as it is if I had a big enough kitty today to enable me to give up the estate agency work I 100% believe I could earn £45k plus with as little as 2 droppers and myself pounding the streets and the more people you get the less walking you would need to do personally and more management/new business developing but at the moment I am not in that position so some days off are based on the development of this business or some dropping myself as the firm I work for on the Agency side are my main contributor of leaflets/magazines and I just over sell to other firms as a bolt on.  I am just about to go live with my website for this firm but wanted the infrastructure to be right before doing so even though we have been trading since April and have just come off the back of dropping of 6000 A4 magazines which as a one off drop the firm paid £720 for as it is a no brainer to outsource it rather than their staff lose time selling on the phones when we can do that and my dropper earnt £360 for 4 days work.

          I dont even employ the droppers as they all come self employed and just invoice me for their work so the admin side is pretty straight forward, I am going to post in the lounge about GPS tracking but if anyone reads here first and knows a low cost GPS tracking kit that I can add to a badge or attach to the dropper so that my customers can see on a daily basis where the dropper is via an app or web browser please holla as that is a service I want to offer but have not looked into yet...

          TBC


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2014, 01:07:12 PM
          ESSEX COUNTRYSIDE ESTATE AGENTS

          The market has settled a little bit recently and it doesnt feel as hot as it was earlier this year on the outskirts of London although we are still doing good business, the slowing of the market is quite scary as we are about to launch a really edgy promotion that I pinched from another agent I used to work for who dont have any completing offices in this area and we will be the only agent locally to offer this service but it is a bit risque as some people (buyers) are probably going to hate us but hopefully will see that we are doing this because we are still in a low housing stock market that means we get multiple buyers for properties and as an agent who likes to give everyone a chance to buy our stock as opposed to selling to the "chosen buyer" or the best bid from one weekend of marketing.

          Its called "SALE BY TENDER" and here are some of the key points I cut and pasted across from various letters we are prepapring along with £10k worth of window graphics, advertising in readiness to launch next Weds evening/Thursday Morning with the marketing coming in overnight so Thursday morning when all the local papers come out the branches are branded accordingly and we have taken an extra couple of pages than we normally do to really go to town on this and try and gain instructions for the summer. It has taken us 8 weeks to get to this point and in our opinion is key to be first to launch in the area and we have picked to our knowledge the lowest marketing fee of £99 in the UK so that other agents dont have the ability to undercut unless they do it for nothing plus as you will see from the marketing the £99 fits into our brand completely.

          here is some of the info
           “SALE BY TENDER” is being launched by Essex Countryside on the 17th July and will be the cheapest way to sell your home as all we are going to charge you is a £99 registration fee and for this price you will receive an EPC, Floor plan, upgraded Rightmove marketing along with the same outstanding service we offer plus press advertising and be on major property websites as well as in the windows of our prominent local offices.
          Your home will be offered under a guide price agreed by both of us and based on our current market assessment and the price you would like to achieve, even if that price is higher than our objective valuation and once the £99 registration fee is paid we will start the 30 day marketing period where you will be marketed with
          •   Two open house viewing days – which focus attention on your home and you don’t even need to be there, but if you prefer the more traditional route on viewings we will arrange them via appointment directly with you.
          •   Your property will be listed on the UK’s top property websites, advertised in the local press and promoted in our local offices.
          •   During the agreed marketing period potential purchasers submit sealed bids which are left unopened until the end of the period when we invite you to the office to open any bids with us and you simply choose the tender that‘s best for you. Your choice can be based on the highest price offered or the overall position of the buyer the choice is entirely yours and you are under no obligation to accept any of the offers submitted meaning you remain in complete control at all times.
          •   If a bid is acceptable to you then we inform the buyers within a 24 hour period and within their bid form they have already confirmed they will pay our introductory fee for purchasing the property meaning you could sell your home for as little as £99!

          We sincerely hope this will be the biggest innovation in buying and selling property in this area in decades so if you think it is too good to be true then contact us today on ………….. and find out why it isn’t.

          As we will be charging the buyers not the vendors for the priviledge of buying it effectively turns the traditional processon it's head but it is not about rinsing buyers in the area but about market conditions, lack of housing stock and above all gaining Instruction by being innovative, we have however had to think about what to do if it went pear shaped or got loads of bad PR but hopefully it will work out....


          NOW I LAY ME DOWN TO SLEEP
          Is a charity that I think started in America and is primarily for parents who are either likely to have a baby that passes away within a few days of being born due to medical problems or sadly for parents of still born babies and Petra has been on a training course with them as she would like to give something back which in this case is "time" where on a phone call shewill attend a local hospital and provide a photo session in the hospital or home of the baby with the parents so they have an image professionally done as a keepsake.

          Now Petra is quite an emotionally charged person naturally and I couldnt imagine doing what she is prepared to do in order to give back so I have to give her a great deal of Kudos but it seems to be something she wants to do so obv I wish her all the best.
          Heres is the website https://www.nowilaymedowntosleep.org/ (https://www.nowilaymedowntosleep.org/)

          Finally in this part

          HYPNOTHERAPY FOR ME
          Due to the fact I am really busy and with the businesses and property side that I will come onto in a bit mean that there will be some chunks of extra £££ around and that when I do have access to money my previously well documented problem  (life degen for those that hae not followed since the start) I took the step of having an initial appointment with a Hynotherapist to see if he will be able to curb my desire to have a punt.  My problem is that if left to my own devices and have money around I am likely to do damage to me/ the family etc but when I am uber selective and bet with "bank of Dubai" then I am a winner as I am sure he would testify having in 2 -3 years of betting with him the most I have ever owed him is a couple of hundred and the swing the other way that he holds for me has been a couple of thousand before I would cash out for entris into tournies etc etc which is probably cos when I text him I know he will most likely punt what I have texted so put a great deal of though into it and only send him what I really fancy but even that may come to an end now.

          My biggest concern about going for this kind of therapy was even though I am not a professional poker player and have no aspirations to be so (in before) I do not want to curb any competitive edge/nature I have when I sit down for a tournament in the future and definitely do not want whatever it is they may do stop me even thinking about playing which I gues makes me a difficuly case to handle but "George" as we shall call him due to it being his name ;) believes he can take me back to whatever trigger moment it may be that set me on the downswing of my first 30 years hopefully he can set the variance clock in the right direction for the next 30 with the middle 10 being a stabilising time.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2014, 02:14:24 PM
          SEAFRONT VENTURE
          I previously posted about a meeting with Dubai and Lil Dave where I showed them what in my opinion was an outstanding opportunity that was not on the open market but I had an in.  I subsequently had a phone call from the estranged Outrageous (Guy Johnson) who as some kind of surveyor said he would hook up with me when next in the area so 10 days ago we hooked up and he also took a look inside at the premises which is directly on the seafront and over 2000 sq feet of emptiness having had a lease that was granted but a tenant who fought the council over certain aspects and then sadly passed away whilst I was selling his house.

          This is the premises
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/SeafrontVenture.jpg)

          This is the view from the promenade itself with the building being the boarded up one and has been for 4 years plus, inside all the services are run in but the rest is a shell
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXDC1hlR0c

          This view is from the roof and at 1-3 seconds you can see the pier (longest in the world!!)
          then views of Adventure Island (little Alton Towers on the seafront) with 2 entrances right opposite the premises
          At 12 seconds you can see the lift that connects the high street to the seafront and is the next tower to the premises
          20 seconds sees the Royals shopping centre and then it pans to the Park Palace Hotel which is soon to house the 3rd casino on the seafront.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSpU1aaWVU

          I believe this place could be incredible under a variety of uses and personally submitted an offer to the council for the lease which far exceeded what they previously had it up for but it seems my offer has instigated that they will give me a nod before it goes to the open market and likely tender but I have already done loads of work on this due to Dave, Dave and Guy's input well mainly Lil Dave and Guy as Big Dave is "not your punter" so is only interested in the figures.

          This if I did go for it and get it would be the biggest punt I have taken as it requires in the region of £200k of investment so if I was successful then I may be on the lookout for some sleeping business partners as the exposure is too big for me but a few people who's opinions I respect reckon if it is not turning over £750k per annum whoever gets it is doing something wrong so the upside is BIG!


          10 YEARS OF PROPERTY DEVELOPING
          After my Dad passed away I invested my inheritance in property which was a good thing as it was 2008 and now have a chunk of equity in my own home and also bought a couple of investments with my brother. Last year I fell out with him over one thing and another and we decided when the time was right we would sell all our joint investments and this house below is the final one as the tenancy expires at the end of this month with the other 2 properties balancing the books for what I owed him for the initial input to the properties and some benfit I had from my Dad during my degen times that he never benefitted from so we were even on that score.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Treelawn-2.jpg)

          This house is 3 beds and detached and is in Leigh on Sea and comes with a sad tale as 5 years ago I turned up with a bailiff and locksmith as is standard on a repossesion and we tried to gain access but being in a neighbourhood watch area soon found the police joining us and on gaining entry the young man who lived there alone and had not worked for 6 years but managed to amass 180k of unsecured debt along with his mortgage had decided to take his own life and we found him in the garage have turned the engine on to his kit car that morning knowing we would be there at midday.

          I wont go into the details of how I came to have a share in the property but an investor was buying it but with the mortgage markets crashing around him found himself unable to raise finance and I had forged a very strong bond with thechaps mum and we ultimately stepped into the other buyers shoes and got her the deal through which was a deal to suit all parties.

          It currently stands us at £160k of investment and when it goes on the market in one months time after a quick tidy up is expected to sell for £300k with my borther and myself owning 50% of the equity so it will be the end of our joint investments and the beginning of hopefully a 10 year period where myself and Ptera aim to develop and sell 3 properties every 2 years so 8 months per property from start to finish and endeavour to do 15 over the course of 10 years starting with our approx £60k of investment.  Now this could all go tits up dependant on the market but hopefully this will not be the case and we make some shrewd investments as I defintiely have an edge over some random attempting to buy a property in the area to turn around.

          I am going to update in here how it goes and what we buy etc with photos of the work along the way as it should be an interesting read and maybe help to anyone else looking to do the same thing so as usual anyone needing advice on buying/selling/mortgages or anything about the whole process please feel free to post in here or pm me as many choose to do.

          Finally it wont be long till Movember is here again and I am currently working on something to raise a few quid again but will post more over the next couple of months so thanks for reading if you did...

          I came across this the other day which I found quite clever.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8mzWkuOxz8


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on July 12, 2014, 04:47:54 PM
          ESSEX COUNTRYSIDE ESTATE AGENTS

          The market has settled a little bit recently and it doesnt feel as hot as it was earlier this year on the outskirts of London although we are still doing good business, the slowing of the market is quite scary as we are about to launch a really edgy promotion that I pinched from another agent I used to work for who dont have any completing offices in this area and we will be the only agent locally to offer this service but it is a bit risque as some people (buyers) are probably going to hate us but hopefully will see that we are doing this because we are still in a low housing stock market that means we get multiple buyers for properties and as an agent who likes to give everyone a chance to buy our stock as opposed to selling to the "chosen buyer" or the best bid from one weekend of marketing.

          Its called "SALE BY TENDER" and here are some of the key points I cut and pasted across from various letters we are prepapring along with £10k worth of window graphics, advertising in readiness to launch next Weds evening/Thursday Morning with the marketing coming in overnight so Thursday morning when all the local papers come out the branches are branded accordingly and we have taken an extra couple of pages than we normally do to really go to town on this and try and gain instructions for the summer. It has taken us 8 weeks to get to this point and in our opinion is key to be first to launch in the area and we have picked to our knowledge the lowest marketing fee of £99 in the UK so that other agents dont have the ability to undercut unless they do it for nothing plus as you will see from the marketing the £99 fits into our brand completely.

          here is some of the info
           “SALE BY TENDER” is being launched by Essex Countryside on the 17th July and will be the cheapest way to sell your home as all we are going to charge you is a £99 registration fee and for this price you will receive an EPC, Floor plan, upgraded Rightmove marketing along with the same outstanding service we offer plus press advertising and be on major property websites as well as in the windows of our prominent local offices.
          Your home will be offered under a guide price agreed by both of us and based on our current market assessment and the price you would like to achieve, even if that price is higher than our objective valuation and once the £99 registration fee is paid we will start the 30 day marketing period where you will be marketed with
          •   Two open house viewing days – which focus attention on your home and you don’t even need to be there, but if you prefer the more traditional route on viewings we will arrange them via appointment directly with you.
          •   Your property will be listed on the UK’s top property websites, advertised in the local press and promoted in our local offices.
          •   During the agreed marketing period potential purchasers submit sealed bids which are left unopened until the end of the period when we invite you to the office to open any bids with us and you simply choose the tender that‘s best for you. Your choice can be based on the highest price offered or the overall position of the buyer the choice is entirely yours and you are under no obligation to accept any of the offers submitted meaning you remain in complete control at all times.
          •   If a bid is acceptable to you then we inform the buyers within a 24 hour period and within their bid form they have already confirmed they will pay our introductory fee for purchasing the property meaning you could sell your home for as little as £99!

          We sincerely hope this will be the biggest innovation in buying and selling property in this area in decades so if you think it is too good to be true then contact us today on ………….. and find out why it isn’t.

          As we will be charging the buyers not the vendors for the priviledge of buying it effectively turns the traditional processon it's head but it is not about rinsing buyers in the area but about market conditions, lack of housing stock and above all gaining Instruction by being innovative, we have however had to think about what to do if it went pear shaped or got loads of bad PR but hopefully it will work out....


          Tsst, i used to like you, for an estate agent, but now you show your true colours with this Sale by Tender bollocks!!! ;)

          Market in my area is ridic hot atm, prices going up every month. Gotta snap up another property before they get too pricey


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
          ESSEX COUNTRYSIDE ESTATE AGENTS

          The market has settled a little bit recently and it doesnt feel as hot as it was earlier this year on the outskirts of London although we are still doing good business, the slowing of the market is quite scary as we are about to launch a really edgy promotion that I pinched from another agent I used to work for who dont have any completing offices in this area and we will be the only agent locally to offer this service but it is a bit risque as some people (buyers) are probably going to hate us but hopefully will see that we are doing this because we are still in a low housing stock market that means we get multiple buyers for properties and as an agent who likes to give everyone a chance to buy our stock as opposed to selling to the "chosen buyer" or the best bid from one weekend of marketing.

          Its called "SALE BY TENDER" and here are some of the key points I cut and pasted across from various letters we are prepapring along with £10k worth of window graphics, advertising in readiness to launch next Weds evening/Thursday Morning with the marketing coming in overnight so Thursday morning when all the local papers come out the branches are branded accordingly and we have taken an extra couple of pages than we normally do to really go to town on this and try and gain instructions for the summer. It has taken us 8 weeks to get to this point and in our opinion is key to be first to launch in the area and we have picked to our knowledge the lowest marketing fee of £99 in the UK so that other agents dont have the ability to undercut unless they do it for nothing plus as you will see from the marketing the £99 fits into our brand completely.

          here is some of the info
           “SALE BY TENDER” is being launched by Essex Countryside on the 17th July and will be the cheapest way to sell your home as all we are going to charge you is a £99 registration fee and for this price you will receive an EPC, Floor plan, upgraded Rightmove marketing along with the same outstanding service we offer plus press advertising and be on major property websites as well as in the windows of our prominent local offices.
          Your home will be offered under a guide price agreed by both of us and based on our current market assessment and the price you would like to achieve, even if that price is higher than our objective valuation and once the £99 registration fee is paid we will start the 30 day marketing period where you will be marketed with
          •   Two open house viewing days – which focus attention on your home and you don’t even need to be there, but if you prefer the more traditional route on viewings we will arrange them via appointment directly with you.
          •   Your property will be listed on the UK’s top property websites, advertised in the local press and promoted in our local offices.
          •   During the agreed marketing period potential purchasers submit sealed bids which are left unopened until the end of the period when we invite you to the office to open any bids with us and you simply choose the tender that‘s best for you. Your choice can be based on the highest price offered or the overall position of the buyer the choice is entirely yours and you are under no obligation to accept any of the offers submitted meaning you remain in complete control at all times.
          •   If a bid is acceptable to you then we inform the buyers within a 24 hour period and within their bid form they have already confirmed they will pay our introductory fee for purchasing the property meaning you could sell your home for as little as £99!

          We sincerely hope this will be the biggest innovation in buying and selling property in this area in decades so if you think it is too good to be true then contact us today on ………….. and find out why it isn’t.

          As we will be charging the buyers not the vendors for the priviledge of buying it effectively turns the traditional processon it's head but it is not about rinsing buyers in the area but about market conditions, lack of housing stock and above all gaining Instruction by being innovative, we have however had to think about what to do if it went pear shaped or got loads of bad PR but hopefully it will work out....


          Tsst, i used to like you, for an estate agent, but now you show your true colours with this Sale by Tender bollocks!!! ;)

          Market in my area is ridic hot atm, prices going up every month. Gotta snap up another property before they get too pricey
          Haha

          It has taken us about 8 weeks to get to the point of launching this and on many occasions have we (myself and Anthony who owns the company) thought are we doing the right thing as will buyers hate us in 5 years time when they come to sell or will they remember it's about the current market conditions and there is always te danger with this practice that it will be receive exactly the kind of negative coveage that we as agents dont need and has already been spun as another example of greed and sharp practice.

          As a company we are very innovative with a competitive edge and having done our due dilligence can see where we can steal a march on our competitors to gain Instructions to market in towns where many vendors wait until they have found, plus as we are in an ultra competitive market with other agents reducing fees constantly we think we can do a better job for the vendors.

          Myself and Dubai had a conversation about agents in his town that told him "they will sell his house in 24 hours" and agreed that if that happened they have probably undersold the property so this scheme slows the whole process down and gives local buyers who might have a home to sell the chance to get on the market and be sold and therefore can bid before the end of the process which fits in with the ethos of our firm where we dont favour one buyer over another and adds complete transparency to the process.

          We will even take the lions share of the marketing cost on the chin so have a 2% intorductory fee to buyers as we are taking a big gamble that at the end of the 4 week period the vendors dont leave us and market elsewhere so have to charge a touch more than we would a vendor if we were selling it traditionally plus buyers can always decide what they feel the property is worth to them ie £400k and therefore their offer should be £392k to take account of th efee but what that particular buyer should be aware of is that we are hoping to realise a few bids on that home and are hoping someone is prepared to pay the £400k and the into fee and if that is the case then client A probably would not have got the property anyway.  If at the end of the process client A's bid is the only one on the table but the vendor felt the offer was still a touch light we can still neg the deal either by getting buyer A to raise slightly or by if it really came to it reducing our fee slightly to help out as at the end of the day we are still sales people looking to tie up deals.

          Whereabouts are you based out of interest?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 12, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
          Ring me back you clown.

          Thanks.

          Ps. At first glance this tender stuff looks terrible, slow for the buyers and vendors, expensive for the buyers, cheaper for the vendors. Even my small brain cell can work out that the agents seem to be the biggest winner here.

          Anyway, don't forget to phone me back. Cheers x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 12, 2014, 08:30:27 PM
          Ring me back you clown.

          Thanks.

          Ps. At first glance this tender stuff looks terrible, slow for the buyers and vendors, expensive for the buyers, cheaper for the vendors. Even my small brain cell can work out that the agents seem to be the biggest winner here.

          Anyway, don't forget to phone me back. Cheers x
          The whole process is actually about 2 weeks as for the first 2 weeks we get the floorplan and EPC done then get marketing for the first open day which apart from local own to sell buyers who are not on the market is the first viewing date.

          Vendors wont worry if they get top dollar but dont need to pay a fee except the £99 and buyers in our area have a choice whether to buy the property or not as in most of our saleable towns the good properties sell and go to multiple bids anyway so buyers pay a premium for most SS postcodes and know that from the start.

          The company that have been doing it successfully for a few months have over 100 branches across a few counties and we have lifted a lot of their text as we know their size means they wont have gone into it without doing much more work than we have.

          Anyway you are getting your knickers in a twist over what is essentially a campaign to get the phone ringing and be the only agent going to value the house as why would you choose anyone else when we are offering to sell your home for £99, whether you feel your home is one that suits the promo is down to you and us.  As I keep telling my staff we could not sell a house on this promo and it will have worked or we could sell 4/10 houses on it like the other firm and it will have worked.

          It's about being different and getting people talking....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: leethefish on July 12, 2014, 09:21:59 PM
          Good posts mate ....you are a busy boy !
          Have been working in clacton on sea & Colchester lately was gonna pop over to see you but never got the chance in the end
          Good to see you doing well mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on July 12, 2014, 11:01:27 PM
          ESSEX COUNTRYSIDE ESTATE AGENTS

          The market has settled a little bit recently and it doesnt feel as hot as it was earlier this year on the outskirts of London although we are still doing good business, the slowing of the market is quite scary as we are about to launch a really edgy promotion that I pinched from another agent I used to work for who dont have any completing offices in this area and we will be the only agent locally to offer this service but it is a bit risque as some people (buyers) are probably going to hate us but hopefully will see that we are doing this because we are still in a low housing stock market that means we get multiple buyers for properties and as an agent who likes to give everyone a chance to buy our stock as opposed to selling to the "chosen buyer" or the best bid from one weekend of marketing.

          Its called "SALE BY TENDER" and here are some of the key points I cut and pasted across from various letters we are prepapring along with £10k worth of window graphics, advertising in readiness to launch next Weds evening/Thursday Morning with the marketing coming in overnight so Thursday morning when all the local papers come out the branches are branded accordingly and we have taken an extra couple of pages than we normally do to really go to town on this and try and gain instructions for the summer. It has taken us 8 weeks to get to this point and in our opinion is key to be first to launch in the area and we have picked to our knowledge the lowest marketing fee of £99 in the UK so that other agents dont have the ability to undercut unless they do it for nothing plus as you will see from the marketing the £99 fits into our brand completely.

          here is some of the info
           “SALE BY TENDER” is being launched by Essex Countryside on the 17th July and will be the cheapest way to sell your home as all we are going to charge you is a £99 registration fee and for this price you will receive an EPC, Floor plan, upgraded Rightmove marketing along with the same outstanding service we offer plus press advertising and be on major property websites as well as in the windows of our prominent local offices.
          Your home will be offered under a guide price agreed by both of us and based on our current market assessment and the price you would like to achieve, even if that price is higher than our objective valuation and once the £99 registration fee is paid we will start the 30 day marketing period where you will be marketed with
          •   Two open house viewing days – which focus attention on your home and you don’t even need to be there, but if you prefer the more traditional route on viewings we will arrange them via appointment directly with you.
          •   Your property will be listed on the UK’s top property websites, advertised in the local press and promoted in our local offices.
          •   During the agreed marketing period potential purchasers submit sealed bids which are left unopened until the end of the period when we invite you to the office to open any bids with us and you simply choose the tender that‘s best for you. Your choice can be based on the highest price offered or the overall position of the buyer the choice is entirely yours and you are under no obligation to accept any of the offers submitted meaning you remain in complete control at all times.
          •   If a bid is acceptable to you then we inform the buyers within a 24 hour period and within their bid form they have already confirmed they will pay our introductory fee for purchasing the property meaning you could sell your home for as little as £99!

          We sincerely hope this will be the biggest innovation in buying and selling property in this area in decades so if you think it is too good to be true then contact us today on ………….. and find out why it isn’t.

          As we will be charging the buyers not the vendors for the priviledge of buying it effectively turns the traditional processon it's head but it is not about rinsing buyers in the area but about market conditions, lack of housing stock and above all gaining Instruction by being innovative, we have however had to think about what to do if it went pear shaped or got loads of bad PR but hopefully it will work out....


          Tsst, i used to like you, for an estate agent, but now you show your true colours with this Sale by Tender bollocks!!! ;)

          Market in my area is ridic hot atm, prices going up every month. Gotta snap up another property before they get too pricey
          Haha

          It has taken us about 8 weeks to get to the point of launching this and on many occasions have we (myself and Anthony who owns the company) thought are we doing the right thing as will buyers hate us in 5 years time when they come to sell or will they remember it's about the current market conditions and there is always te danger with this practice that it will be receive exactly the kind of negative coveage that we as agents dont need and has already been spun as another example of greed and sharp practice.

          As a company we are very innovative with a competitive edge and having done our due dilligence can see where we can steal a march on our competitors to gain Instructions to market in towns where many vendors wait until they have found, plus as we are in an ultra competitive market with other agents reducing fees constantly we think we can do a better job for the vendors.

          Myself and Dubai had a conversation about agents in his town that told him "they will sell his house in 24 hours" and agreed that if that happened they have probably undersold the property so this scheme slows the whole process down and gives local buyers who might have a home to sell the chance to get on the market and be sold and therefore can bid before the end of the process which fits in with the ethos of our firm where we dont favour one buyer over another and adds complete transparency to the process.

          We will even take the lions share of the marketing cost on the chin so have a 2% intorductory fee to buyers as we are taking a big gamble that at the end of the 4 week period the vendors dont leave us and market elsewhere so have to charge a touch more than we would a vendor if we were selling it traditionally plus buyers can always decide what they feel the property is worth to them ie £400k and therefore their offer should be £392k to take account of th efee but what that particular buyer should be aware of is that we are hoping to realise a few bids on that home and are hoping someone is prepared to pay the £400k and the into fee and if that is the case then client A probably would not have got the property anyway.  If at the end of the process client A's bid is the only one on the table but the vendor felt the offer was still a touch light we can still neg the deal either by getting buyer A to raise slightly or by if it really came to it reducing our fee slightly to help out as at the end of the day we are still sales people looking to tie up deals.

          Whereabouts are you based out of interest?

          Yeah from a business point of view I can see the benefits, same for the seller. It appears to becoming the norm in ever increasing areas to.
          Not so good for the buyer though, having to stump up the fees on top of stamp etc but, as always, market forces will decide.

          Unfortunately it still wont stop the dodgy agents out there as they can easily disregard or 'lose' the envelope from certain buyers.

          Looked at a property last week, from an agent I bought my residential house from last year and first thing she wanted was proof of deposit available etc....lol like I m ever giving the estate agent all them details when they want to do a credit check and try to sell me their awful mortgages.  Whilst they need to prove identity etc it's pretty obv she knows who I am.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 13, 2014, 10:29:16 AM
          Good posts mate ....you are a busy boy !
          Have been working in clacton on sea & Colchester lately was gonna pop over to see you but never got the chance in the end
          Good to see you doing well mate.

          Cheers Lee

          Yeah next time you are down this neck of the woods defo hook up with me!!

          See you soon buddy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 13, 2014, 10:37:57 AM
          ESSEX COUNTRYSIDE ESTATE AGENTS

          The market has settled a little bit recently and it doesnt feel as hot as it was earlier this year on the outskirts of London although we are still doing good business, the slowing of the market is quite scary as we are about to launch a really edgy promotion that I pinched from another agent I used to work for who dont have any completing offices in this area and we will be the only agent locally to offer this service but it is a bit risque as some people (buyers) are probably going to hate us but hopefully will see that we are doing this because we are still in a low housing stock market that means we get multiple buyers for properties and as an agent who likes to give everyone a chance to buy our stock as opposed to selling to the "chosen buyer" or the best bid from one weekend of marketing.

          Its called "SALE BY TENDER" and here are some of the key points I cut and pasted across from various letters we are prepapring along with £10k worth of window graphics, advertising in readiness to launch next Weds evening/Thursday Morning with the marketing coming in overnight so Thursday morning when all the local papers come out the branches are branded accordingly and we have taken an extra couple of pages than we normally do to really go to town on this and try and gain instructions for the summer. It has taken us 8 weeks to get to this point and in our opinion is key to be first to launch in the area and we have picked to our knowledge the lowest marketing fee of £99 in the UK so that other agents dont have the ability to undercut unless they do it for nothing plus as you will see from the marketing the £99 fits into our brand completely.

          here is some of the info
           “SALE BY TENDER” is being launched by Essex Countryside on the 17th July and will be the cheapest way to sell your home as all we are going to charge you is a £99 registration fee and for this price you will receive an EPC, Floor plan, upgraded Rightmove marketing along with the same outstanding service we offer plus press advertising and be on major property websites as well as in the windows of our prominent local offices.
          Your home will be offered under a guide price agreed by both of us and based on our current market assessment and the price you would like to achieve, even if that price is higher than our objective valuation and once the £99 registration fee is paid we will start the 30 day marketing period where you will be marketed with
          •   Two open house viewing days – which focus attention on your home and you don’t even need to be there, but if you prefer the more traditional route on viewings we will arrange them via appointment directly with you.
          •   Your property will be listed on the UK’s top property websites, advertised in the local press and promoted in our local offices.
          •   During the agreed marketing period potential purchasers submit sealed bids which are left unopened until the end of the period when we invite you to the office to open any bids with us and you simply choose the tender that‘s best for you. Your choice can be based on the highest price offered or the overall position of the buyer the choice is entirely yours and you are under no obligation to accept any of the offers submitted meaning you remain in complete control at all times.
          •   If a bid is acceptable to you then we inform the buyers within a 24 hour period and within their bid form they have already confirmed they will pay our introductory fee for purchasing the property meaning you could sell your home for as little as £99!

          We sincerely hope this will be the biggest innovation in buying and selling property in this area in decades so if you think it is too good to be true then contact us today on ………….. and find out why it isn’t.

          As we will be charging the buyers not the vendors for the priviledge of buying it effectively turns the traditional processon it's head but it is not about rinsing buyers in the area but about market conditions, lack of housing stock and above all gaining Instruction by being innovative, we have however had to think about what to do if it went pear shaped or got loads of bad PR but hopefully it will work out....


          Tsst, i used to like you, for an estate agent, but now you show your true colours with this Sale by Tender bollocks!!! ;)

          Market in my area is ridic hot atm, prices going up every month. Gotta snap up another property before they get too pricey
          Haha

          It has taken us about 8 weeks to get to the point of launching this and on many occasions have we (myself and Anthony who owns the company) thought are we doing the right thing as will buyers hate us in 5 years time when they come to sell or will they remember it's about the current market conditions and there is always te danger with this practice that it will be receive exactly the kind of negative coveage that we as agents dont need and has already been spun as another example of greed and sharp practice.

          As a company we are very innovative with a competitive edge and having done our due dilligence can see where we can steal a march on our competitors to gain Instructions to market in towns where many vendors wait until they have found, plus as we are in an ultra competitive market with other agents reducing fees constantly we think we can do a better job for the vendors.

          Myself and Dubai had a conversation about agents in his town that told him "they will sell his house in 24 hours" and agreed that if that happened they have probably undersold the property so this scheme slows the whole process down and gives local buyers who might have a home to sell the chance to get on the market and be sold and therefore can bid before the end of the process which fits in with the ethos of our firm where we dont favour one buyer over another and adds complete transparency to the process.

          We will even take the lions share of the marketing cost on the chin so have a 2% intorductory fee to buyers as we are taking a big gamble that at the end of the 4 week period the vendors dont leave us and market elsewhere so have to charge a touch more than we would a vendor if we were selling it traditionally plus buyers can always decide what they feel the property is worth to them ie £400k and therefore their offer should be £392k to take account of th efee but what that particular buyer should be aware of is that we are hoping to realise a few bids on that home and are hoping someone is prepared to pay the £400k and the into fee and if that is the case then client A probably would not have got the property anyway.  If at the end of the process client A's bid is the only one on the table but the vendor felt the offer was still a touch light we can still neg the deal either by getting buyer A to raise slightly or by if it really came to it reducing our fee slightly to help out as at the end of the day we are still sales people looking to tie up deals.

          Whereabouts are you based out of interest?

          Yeah from a business point of view I can see the benefits, same for the seller. It appears to becoming the norm in ever increasing areas to.
          Not so good for the buyer though, having to stump up the fees on top of stamp etc but, as always, market forces will decide.

          Unfortunately it still wont stop the dodgy agents out there as they can easily disregard or 'lose' the envelope from certain buyers.

          Looked at a property last week, from an agent I bought my residential house from last year and first thing she wanted was proof of deposit available etc....lol like I m ever giving the estate agent all them details when they want to do a credit check and try to sell me their awful mortgages.  Whilst they need to prove identity etc it's pretty obv she knows who I am.
          Thanks for the PM but seriously there is nothing wrong with living in Potters Bar!!

          With regards the qualification aspect, due to the mortgage related changes agents have become even more aware than they were previously of ensuring a buyer has the ability to proceed but they will still obviously try to sell you a mortgage through their firm as the Procuration fee (the fee the lender pay the agent/broker) is worth as much as £1500 if you then take out insurances as well so if the average fee the agent charges is £3000-£4000 it's almost like adding half again which is all profit.

          The bigger agents are more aware of how important financial services is but they should never discriminate against you if you dont use the financial services but some probably do as it's commercially the best line to take. In some offices and I used to work in oneour financial guy turned over £150k per year from his office which is like having 2/3 of an office in that town so you can see why the big boys push it so hard.

          They cannot credit check you though unless you allow them to!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on July 14, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
          When I grow up I want to be Eso.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 14, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
          When I grow up I want to be Eso.
          Not sure you could take the swings bud ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 15, 2014, 06:42:33 PM
          Over the weekend I spoke about this property that is one of our investment properties and currently tenanted down here in Leigh on Sea

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Treelawn-2.jpg)

          As a landlord we have always tried to do right by our tenants and if anything ever went wrong or they had a problem there we always rectified the problem straight away.  We have never been shy of taking DSS or Housing Association tenants in any of our properties but sometimes it makes you wonder why you bother being nice.

          This tenant has been in the house for 5 years and we have only increased the rent once in that time from £850 to £1000 after 3 years when it was clearly under rented and the tenant in question is a single mum with 3 children, we informed her on the 3rd June that we required possession of the property on the 3rd August at the end of her tenancy and served the relevant section 21 notice at the same time so legally we were covered however today we receive a phone call to say she still has not found alternative living accomodation so wont be in position to move out.

          Despite having served the paperwork in the correct fashion and been totally upfront with her there is actually not a lot we can do and we are between a rock and a hard place as the council in this area advise tenants to stay put until the landlord wins a court eviction as they then move up the ladder of people in need of housing and at the moment she has a roof over her head.

          We are now left with the option of starting off the court process if we dont get keys on the 3rd August which will take 10 weeks total before she would have to be out but in reality we wont receive rent in that time and inherit a poperty in poor condition or wait until the middle of September when a property comes free that she can rent but then psoes problems for us as we need to do 3-4 weeks of work to the house before marketing and then have a limited time to get it sold and turned round to have it completed by Christmas.

          Plus all the time it's empty it costs ££ all because the local council give tenants advice to stay put!!

          /rant



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on July 15, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
          Just think of the 20% increase in value (per the Daily Mail!) per annum of these properties in the SE and think 'it could be worse'!  You could own properties in Stoke!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on July 15, 2014, 07:36:46 PM
          Over the weekend I spoke about this property that is one of our investment properties and currently tenanted down here in Leigh on Sea

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Treelawn-2.jpg)

          As a landlord we have always tried to do right by our tenants and if anything ever went wrong or they had a problem there we always rectified the problem straight away.  We have never been shy of taking DSS or Housing Association tenants in any of our properties but sometimes it makes you wonder why you bother being nice.

          This tenant has been in the house for 5 years and we have only increased the rent once in that time from £850 to £1000 after 3 years when it was clearly under rented and the tenant in question is a single mum with 3 children, we informed her on the 3rd June that we required possession of the property on the 3rd August at the end of her tenancy and served the relevant section 21 notice at the same time so legally we were covered however today we receive a phone call to say she still has not found alternative living accomodation so wont be in position to move out.

          Despite having served the paperwork in the correct fashion and been totally upfront with her there is actually not a lot we can do and we are between a rock and a hard place as the council in this area advise tenants to stay put until the landlord wins a court eviction as they then move up the ladder of people in need of housing and at the moment she has a roof over her head.

          We are now left with the option of starting off the court process if we dont get keys on the 3rd August which will take 10 weeks total before she would have to be out but in reality we wont receive rent in that time and inherit a poperty in poor condition or wait until the middle of September when a property comes free that she can rent but then psoes problems for us as we need to do 3-4 weeks of work to the house before marketing and then have a limited time to get it sold and turned round to have it completed by Christmas.

          Plus all the time it's empty it costs ££ all because the local council give tenants advice to stay put!!

          /rant



          The above is the reason why so many landlords are complete *****. You spend time and money to do the right thing and tenants still take the piss. You probs need to get on with the court action as come September she can just say she still hasn't found anywhere.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on July 15, 2014, 07:50:33 PM
          This scenario happened to a friend of mine and it took over 12 months to get them out. As soon as he gave them notice they stopped paying rent and never payed again. Previous to this they were model tenants and kept the house in a good state of repair. They wrecked the house at the end.

          The worsed of it was this house was directly behind his own and they taunted him every day.

          Another friend of dubious nature used to hire thugs to terrorise his tenants when they messed about. He was taken to court many times but got away with it every time.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on July 15, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
          There was a guy in Enfield that used to turn up at the door with two Rottweilers. He would warn then he would be back tomorrow, and would be letting them loose in the house whether they have moved or not. I'm fairly sure that's legal too, so should he ok if you chose that option.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 15, 2014, 08:35:16 PM
          The thing is if you write and confirm that she can stay till September you then need to serve another section 21, 2 month notice on them so we have sent a solicitors letter to her saying we still require possession on the 3rd and will start of the process if we don't get the keys.

          It's actually the timing more than the extra months as that could impact on the saleability or the end price achieved due to time of year plus we could have 4-6 void months as opposed to the planned 3.

          @ Arboy - don't always believe the press bud ;)

          Will update if she's gone on the 3rd, or not as most likely.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on July 15, 2014, 08:38:47 PM
          The thing is if you write and confirm that she can stay till September you then need to serve another section 21, 2 month notice on them so we have sent a solicitors letter to her saying we still require possession on the 3rd and will start of the process if we don't get the keys.

          It's actually the timing more than the extra months as that could impact on the saleability or the end price achieved due to time of year plus we could have 4-6 void months as opposed to the planned 3.

          @ Arboy - don't always believe the press bud ;)

          Will update if she's gone on the 3rd, or not as most likely.....

          Since when do the Daily Mail not tell the truth!!!!  They love a SE housing price boom story.  Must be 5 a week.  I started thinking it was guys like you writing them for the DM!

          In all seriousness best of luck getting her out asap.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on July 15, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
          Now that's what you call a long update :D

          Glad to hear all is well, albeit incredibly busy!

          Bar the squatter, obviously... Hope you can get the out lively, and they don't cause too much agg.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Junior Senior on July 16, 2014, 09:52:08 AM
          Hi Rich, i see you've been a busy boy. Hopefully see you at DtD soon.

          Ps. I know a guy called Barry from Sheffield, he might be able to help with your tenant.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: outragous76 on July 18, 2014, 10:16:23 PM
          Once you hear it you will never sing the correct lyrics again !

          This guy is so fkn amazing he even has Beyoncé writing songs about him!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xUfCUFPL-8

          Massive sigh on the house & obv gimme a shout when you need more help :0)

          <3 the Eso


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tonytats on July 18, 2014, 11:40:00 PM
          Hi Rich, i see you've been a busy boy. Hopefully see you at DtD soon.

          Ps. I know a guy called Barry from Sheffield, he might be able to help with your tenant.



          Ye just imagine Barry Neville in your living room telling you bad neat stories you'd soon move out


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 19, 2014, 09:06:56 AM
          Hi Rich, i see you've been a busy boy. Hopefully see you at DtD soon.

          Ps. I know a guy called Barry from Sheffield, he might be able to help with your tenant.



          Ye just imagine Barry Neville in your living room telling you bad neat stories you'd soon move out
          Whilst trying to sell you some Tommy Hilfinger t-shirts and a Ralph Laurel suit...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 19, 2014, 09:11:15 AM
          Once you hear it you will never sing the correct lyrics again !

          This guy is so fkn amazing he even has Beyoncé writing songs about him!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xUfCUFPL-8

          Massive sigh on the house & obv gimme a shout when you need more help :0)

          <3 the Eso
          Lolz nice to see you back posting again ;)

          Thanks for the help so far bud and will let you know when it moves to the next step.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 28, 2014, 05:27:16 PM
          Well the "sell your home for £99" promotion has kicked off well and as I previously posted it's not about rinsing buyers for 2% but about gaining instructions across the summer period and over the first 7days we saw an uplift of 50% in booked valuations which admittedly over a small sample size beats any 7 day period over the past 2 months and the offices are on target for their highest listing numbers at any point in the 3 1/2 years I have been with the company.

          The other agents have hated the launch as when we do a promotion, we do a promotion!
          This is how the offices look

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-43.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-42.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-41.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-44.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-45.jpg)

          One agent has took umbridge to our full pages adverts and extra pages of property to go alongside it by sending us a legal letter saying they wish us to stop advertising it as "The Cheapest Way to Sell Your Property" which is pretty comical as unless the agent is prepared to sell a home fee free it is impossible to beat it.

          It is just a case of big agent trying to stop little agent from being different so we have sent them a nice letter back!

          On the back of the promotion we are dropping 15'000 of these
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-40.jpg)
           to homes in the area every 3-4 weeks so the droppers are busy which means as the sole leaflet we receive £90 per thousand from the estate agents and pay the droppers £60 per thousand (so that they are incentivized to actually drop them) and my newest dropper is currently earning about £10.50 per hour walking the streets in the Essex sun and Swift leaflets get £30 per thousand for just dropping them at the homes of the delivery guys.


          I didnt go into too much detail about the hypnotherapy I am currently receiving as I didnt really know what to expect to be honest but for the first time in my life I actually felt with loads going well in life it would be a shame to have a big blow out and spunk a load of money as when I am left to my own devices I am still likely to have a splurge and cannot rid myself of the stupid little bets that iron out the well thought out ones that I would send Dubai hence why I win with him and lose out of my own pocket so I decided I would have a go at knocking it on the head completely but as I said previously I didnt want it to take away any sense of competitiveness I had when I played poker as for me I can differentiate the two.

          So for the past 3 weeks I have been to see this guy who on the first session asked me loads of questions and then explained how the future sessions would work and having never been hynotized before I went into it open minded, was I hypnotized who knows as I was in a concious state and able to speak and knew what I was saying but if someone had come into the room I would not have been able to tell you and my body/mind felt completely relaxed.

          The first hypno session I answered questions about life events and again last week he delved deeper into things I had said and came out of my hypno state at the end with a feeling of having been asleep but awake if that makes sense?  Anyway this past 2 weeks has resulted in me not really having a desire to punt and despite still seeing a copy of "The Racing Post" (others buy it in the office/ circle of people who I am with) for whatever reason I have abstained and anytime a thought about a punt has popped into my head it gets replaced by thoughts of the family (could be coincidence obvs).

          I have really tried to replace the buzz in the other area's of my life that are thriving and no doubt as I have an addictive personality these things will now replace that side of me.

          Talking of the family, Max is now in his 5th week of mini footie and considering the kids in the group are between 2 1/2 and 4 they put them through it and teach them discipline from day 1 and also competition as each week someone wins player of the week so if they have listened and done anything the coaches asked they tend to win.  Max struggled initially with this but since I have been taking him he builds himself up (probably a bit too much!) to win the trophy and last week we had tears when he didnt win!

          This week I got him a little chocolate medal and he knows if he has done well but didnt win he may get that or one of my old footie trophies as in my biased opinion he showed more improvements in attitude and listening as well as the drills to deserve it.

          Having played professionally myself I honesty do not remember doing this kind of thing at such an early age (in before any age related gags) but each week is really structured and they finish with a little 4 a side game hat is basically kick and rush ;)

          Here is the wee man where in the first one they had to run and could then just shoot with the laces into the goal or could stop and kick it in
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soYQ3WWNIm0

          Then this one they did the same but having kicked the first one had to run back and touch a cone and go back to shoot the second, unfortunately a lady walked past during this one and then back spoiling my covert filming of Max (pretty sad that you cannot film your own kid in these drills and feel like a criminal even trying to)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eK7elt_NVc

          2nd place medal :(
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-46.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 04, 2014, 05:50:39 PM
          This is the number 1 agent in one of our towns and just goes to show you cant please everybody all of the time!!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-47.jpg)

          I have seen the thickness of our windows and it must take some force to stick an agents board through it.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Junior Senior on August 04, 2014, 08:03:45 PM
          This is the number 1 agent in one of our towns and just goes to show you cant please everybody all of the time!!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-47.jpg)

          I have seen the thickness of our windows and it must take some force to stick an agents board through it.

          What did you shove it with? Been working out?!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 06, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/hypno.jpg)

          I know I have touched on the hynotherapy I am currently receiving but felt I would write this as you never know who may stumble across the post and how it may help them in the future.

          Basically I am just a massive punter ( but you could apply this to any addiction I guess ) and over the past few weeks have come to realise this having been through a process with George my hynotherapist.  For many years I punted off fortunes as well documented in the early days of this diary and caused a great deal of hurt to many people that I cared about and despite seeing the hurt I caused never tried to really change that bad side of me.

          Having met Petra nearly 9 years ago I got taught the value of money again but still punted off to what many would be life changing amounts of money without causing much hurt to myself or our life but with all the changes in our life and what I would love to do going forward in the future coupled with the fact that at 40 years of age I felt I should grow up a bit.

          So that meant realising that I never expected to make a living out of punting in any way shape or form and that most of the time apart from betting with Dubai where with this trust that gamblers have amongst each other I would have a balance with him that was never past me owing a couple of hundred and him holding amounts of a couple of grand from time to time that I would then use for entry into Poker tournaments or holidays etc etc but yet all the time I was winning with the selections I sent him, I would be losing as a punter bettng events just so I could watch something at night or just cos I popped into the bookies on the way back from grabbing some lunch.

          I'm sure many people can just have a little punt whether it be a £1 lucky 15 from time to time or a £10 ice cream acca on the football on a Saturday but I am one of those with a very addictive personality so tend to take things to the extreme so I didnt ever see the time where I would be happy just having a fun bet with little or no expectation of a return and due to my personality I am so glad that I have never touched a drug in my life or I think I could have been in big trouble.

          Over the past 3 weeks I think I have really had for me what is my lightbulb moment and have now not had a single bet during that time which is probably the longest I have ever been in the past 20 years and it is all down to George Oliver!!

          If anyone reading this ever thought they had a problem of some sort I can thoroughly recommend Hynotherapy as worth a go as for someone who is generally sceptical about most things in life I went into my first few sessions with zero expectation that it may work for me.

          The first few sessions would start with some kind of word association that I guess meant George got some information from that he could use or build a picture of how my mind works and then over to "the chair" I would go and having started by making sure my breathing is deep and from the belly he would work on getting me to concentrate my muscles from the top of my head working down the body to my feet at which point my body is completely relaxed and he then gets me to paint a picture of a place in my head that starts with 10 marble steps down to a sunny garden with a chair for me.

          As we walk down each step I get into my hyposis state, now whether I am actually hynotized or am basically completely relaxed in the knowledge that no-one needs me for the next 40 minutes and nothing can happen to alter this state who knows but it is a completely relaxed state that I am left in at which point for the first few weeks he would try and take me back to the first time I can remember gambling being in my life which was as a 10 year old we would drive from Walsall across to mid wales normally Tywyn or Aberdovey ( a journey which I retraced with Petra and Max when he was a year old to see how the place had change) and at Woodlands Caravan park I would spend my money on the fruit machines with my favourites being the ones that had random nudges and 3 bells being a jackpot but normally meant I blew my money trying to impress some girl whilst my younger brother played asteroids or pac man.

          Every now and again George would tell me to park that thought and talk about the next thing that came into my head and I guess he was looking for triggers that would make me want to bet or events in my life that made me use it as a way out.  The past 2 weeks he has started to work on my subconscious mind and I suppose re-programme it and as I said a few posts ago for the past 3 weeks a picture springs into my mind every time I feel like having a punt and then since last week where I vaguely remember him telling my subconscious that gambling was not the way forward for me, I really seem to have a different mindset.

          I realise that I am likely to make way more money doing other things in my life than I ever could punting as although I win with Dubai it will never be at amounts I could ever live off and never in units I would want to bet more than (happy with £100-£300) but on selective markets so have decided its not worth wasting my time on this stuff and to plough my efforts into stuff that will have a long term affect to the good for me and the family like the businesses and hopefully I will get the same buzz from these as I used to from gambling.

          FML really sounds like I'm getting old!!

          It also means I can go into poker events without a care as to the result as I wont need to win to pay back what I may have lost over the past week and can sit down at the table in a completely relaxed state so I will be interested to see if this has an effect on my game over the few live tournies that I play.

          I would recommend anyone to try it as it has worked for me (so far) without dulling the fact I will still want to play poker 10-12 times per year which from the outset was one of the things I told George was important not to lose my competitiveness when I do turn up.

          This new me will be at DTD this Friday so I look forward to seeing a few of you there....



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Leatherman on August 08, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
          Great stuff pal, all best for Friday.

          Will try an catch up soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 08, 2014, 12:13:28 AM
          very interesting read Rich.  I might consider using it to diet if i can't lose weight without it.  Sounds like it's had a proper impact on you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on August 08, 2014, 12:18:39 AM
          Any chance can get him to sort you out so you can close out the win in a live tournament Rich? :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 08, 2014, 12:34:23 AM
          Glad all is going well, Rich!

          very interesting read Rich.  I might consider using it to diet if i can't lose weight without it.  Sounds like it's had a proper impact on you.


          First thing I thought :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 08, 2014, 03:06:17 PM
          gl today rich.  Hope to see you over the weekend.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Beaver808 on August 08, 2014, 04:56:10 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/hypno.jpg)

          I know I have touched on the hynotherapy I am currently receiving but felt I would write this as you never know who may stumble across the post and how it may help them in the future.

          Basically I am just a massive punter ( but you could apply this to any addiction I guess ) and over the past few weeks have come to realise this having been through a process with George my hynotherapist.  For many years I punted off fortunes as well documented in the early days of this diary and caused a great deal of hurt to many people that I cared about and despite seeing the hurt I caused never tried to really change that bad side of me.

          Having met Petra nearly 9 years ago I got taught the value of money again but still punted off to what many would be life changing amounts of money without causing much hurt to myself or our life but with all the changes in our life and what I would love to do going forward in the future coupled with the fact that at 40 years of age I felt I should grow up a bit.

          So that meant realising that I never expected to make a living out of punting in any way shape or form and that most of the time apart from betting with Dubai where with this trust that gamblers have amongst each other I would have a balance with him that was never past me owing a couple of hundred and him holding amounts of a couple of grand from time to time that I would then use for entry into Poker tournaments or holidays etc etc but yet all the time I was winning with the selections I sent him, I would be losing as a punter bettng events just so I could watch something at night or just cos I popped into the bookies on the way back from grabbing some lunch.

          I'm sure many people can just have a little punt whether it be a £1 lucky 15 from time to time or a £10 ice cream acca on the football on a Saturday but I am one of those with a very addictive personality so tend to take things to the extreme so I didnt ever see the time where I would be happy just having a fun bet with little or no expectation of a return and due to my personality I am so glad that I have never touched a drug in my life or I think I could have been in big trouble.

          Over the past 3 weeks I think I have really had for me what is my lightbulb moment and have now not had a single bet during that time which is probably the longest I have ever been in the past 20 years and it is all down to George Oliver!!

          If anyone reading this ever thought they had a problem of some sort I can thoroughly recommend Hynotherapy as worth a go as for someone who is generally sceptical about most things in life I went into my first few sessions with zero expectation that it may work for me.

          The first few sessions would start with some kind of word association that I guess meant George got some information from that he could use or build a picture of how my mind works and then over to "the chair" I would go and having started by making sure my breathing is deep and from the belly he would work on getting me to concentrate my muscles from the top of my head working down the body to my feet at which point my body is completely relaxed and he then gets me to paint a picture of a place in my head that starts with 10 marble steps down to a sunny garden with a chair for me.

          As we walk down each step I get into my hyposis state, now whether I am actually hynotized or am basically completely relaxed in the knowledge that no-one needs me for the next 40 minutes and nothing can happen to alter this state who knows but it is a completely relaxed state that I am left in at which point for the first few weeks he would try and take me back to the first time I can remember gambling being in my life which was as a 10 year old we would drive from Walsall across to mid wales normally Tywyn or Aberdovey ( a journey which I retraced with Petra and Max when he was a year old to see how the place had change) and at Woodlands Caravan park I would spend my money on the fruit machines with my favourites being the ones that had random nudges and 3 bells being a jackpot but normally meant I blew my money trying to impress some girl whilst my younger brother played asteroids or pac man.

          Every now and again George would tell me to park that thought and talk about the next thing that came into my head and I guess he was looking for triggers that would make me want to bet or events in my life that made me use it as a way out.  The past 2 weeks he has started to work on my subconscious mind and I suppose re-programme it and as I said a few posts ago for the past 3 weeks a picture springs into my mind every time I feel like having a punt and then since last week where I vaguely remember him telling my subconscious that gambling was not the way forward for me, I really seem to have a different mindset.

          I realise that I am likely to make way more money doing other things in my life than I ever could punting as although I win with Dubai it will never be at amounts I could ever live off and never in units I would want to bet more than (happy with £100-£300) but on selective markets so have decided its not worth wasting my time on this stuff and to plough my efforts into stuff that will have a long term affect to the good for me and the family like the businesses and hopefully I will get the same buzz from these as I used to from gambling.

          FML really sounds like I'm getting old!!

          It also means I can go into poker events without a care as to the result as I wont need to win to pay back what I may have lost over the past week and can sit down at the table in a completely relaxed state so I will be interested to see if this has an effect on my game over the few live tournies that I play.

          I would recommend anyone to try it as it has worked for me (so far) without dulling the fact I will still want to play poker 10-12 times per year which from the outset was one of the things I told George was important not to lose my competitiveness when I do turn up.

          This new me will be at DTD this Friday so I look forward to seeing a few of you there....



          Hypnotherapy is useful for so so many people from all walks of life. I started working with people mainly suffering from stress and depression and was very surprised by the broad spectrum of people that would come through the door. Being a hypnotherapist is an incredibly rewarding way to make a living!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 09, 2014, 10:08:59 AM
          Great stuff pal, all best for Friday.

          Will try an catch up soon.
          Cheers Pal
          There is a thread created for you in betting tips and Sporting discussion as you are a RL fan...

          very interesting read Rich.  I might consider using it to diet if i can't lose weight without it.  Sounds like it's had a proper impact on you.
          I would defo look into mate, I am sure it doesnt work for everyone but it certainly has me.

          Glad all is going well, Rich!

          very interesting read Rich.  I might consider using it to diet if i can't lose weight without it.  Sounds like it's had a proper impact on you.


          First thing I thought :D
          Cheers Marky


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 09, 2014, 10:16:54 AM
          Any chance can get him to sort you out so you can close out the win in a live tournament Rich? :)
          Haha

          Maybe a Karma bink!!

          Made Day 2 of the £250 deepstack having driven up and was only firing one bullet so it was a bit disconcerting to be basically all in after 35mins having opened  Aspades Th in the co and getting peeled by btn, sb and bb to see a KJ8hhh flop which the sb donked small with only us calling to turn the Qd where the pot was 4b and then he jammed the river but spidey senses and the cape came on and he had 910ss and from there we kicked on to peak at 150k before a table change which was good before with 5 levels to go we lost A7 v 23ss AIPF, lost the minimum bvb with 23dd vs sb 36 on 33647 so a good run out but also had some standard Eso get theres with AJ beating AK shortie and 4b piling K7hh vs a weak looking clikc back and stack sizes made it close but he was never folding "dem aces" but we flopped him dead to runner runner house so bagged up 252k and 42 bigs going back tomorrow.

          Anyone reading this who likes Rugby League please see the thread in the betting tips section where you can win some tickets for £5/£10 or £20 to the final in 2 weeks time.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 11, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
          The 6max mini was a success in the end as I finished 33rd which meant some profit plus a £1k seat for this week which I wouldnt have played unless I got in the top 50 and it's probably the best I have played in a long while and with about 40 left it looked as if I was on for a deep run as I had 1.2million soldiers at 10/20k and a good table but with a few shorties I then lost Co vs my btn for 17bbs his JJ holding vs my QKo where I 3b called off and didnt get there and then against the table chippy I defended a min raise with K4cc and floated the 556ssc flop the 2d turn went ck ck and I led out on for 170 (in hindsight a sexy check raise otr would have been better) into circa 250 on the Qd river and was quickly called by Q3cc and two hands later I min opened 88 and was 3b all in for 14bbs effective against the same guy and he had 99 with no sweat appearing.

          I was home by 8.15pm despite some traffic and had swapped 5% with Ryan when down to last 35 so thats a Nando's he owes me and was happy in the knowledge that for the 2 days I played I sat there being able to concentrate fully on my game as opposed to checking sports results or watching an event and enabled me to make a few plays or pick up things I definitely would have missed before.

          I am going to play 1a tomorrow so hope to continue to make the correct decisions and have another deep run.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on August 12, 2014, 12:52:21 PM
          day 1a of the Sky Poker UKPC six Max Main

          (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WvlfDOodDG0/U-n1cAly1aI/AAAAAAAATPU/rRLM3wh6zjE/w389-h581-no/DSC05598.JPG)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on August 12, 2014, 12:57:51 PM
          Gl buddy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 12, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
          Gl buddy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 12, 2014, 11:44:01 PM
          Cheers guys, not a bad day as bagged up 292700 going back at 1/2000/300


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on August 12, 2014, 11:57:32 PM
          Cheers guys, not a bad day as bagged up 292700 going back at 1/2000/300

          not bad he says, thats chunksssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Redbull on August 13, 2014, 12:44:29 AM
          Nice stack, glgl!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on August 13, 2014, 01:01:10 AM
          Get me the number of that hypnotist nefore Thursday.

          Wp mate - great day


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 13, 2014, 01:04:52 AM
          Get me the number of that hypnotist nefore Thursday.

          Wp mate - great day

          This one?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on August 13, 2014, 01:12:13 AM
          Does he get discounts as his twin is "in the game"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 13, 2014, 08:50:46 AM
          Well there's day 1's and there's day 1's and yesterday has to be the best day 1 I have ever played and probably the best I have played in a £1k event (probs less than 15 lifetime).

          My first table was good and within 1 level I had reliable reads on 2 of the players one who stared at you constantly when he had it and one who stared at you constantly when he didnt so I just tried to get to rivers with each of them heads up and see who they were looking at and chipped up to 64k very early then I played an unraised pot vs the btn and sb and having turned a double gutter I missed the river and over bet bluffed the river against a villain I took a similar line to when I actually had it which went to showdown but he snapped with off and I was back to starting.

          The next 2 levels I bled down to 38k and went through the chip envy against others on my table and against the avg stack but just reminded myself that I had 60+ bb's so no panic, after dinner I chipped back up to 75k in a series of small pots before our table broke and I was moved to a table where I was oop to Robbie Bull and JudgeDredd (top man).

          I was playing solid and got a bluff through otr (albeit a bad card with better bluffing cards available) with J9dd on 10107dsc 4d 10x and showed Robbie who nearly called with JQ high.
          Then at 100k and blinds 6/1200/100 I opened Q7hh utg and Robbie 3's to 5200 which Judge flats the button and back to me I now have to peel, the flop was 346 with one heart and there was 18k roughly in the pot so I checked, Robbie bet 10200 which Judge called so I called with the backdoors and pinged the 5h on the turn which unfortunately got checked round.  The river bought the 3s and I checked with Robbie betting 18700 that Judge called with a grimace so I just called (Crab says I should raise as I should not want to show Q7hh ;)  ) and I was good vs AA and 1010 and upto 180k at the next break.

          I then got a table move and within 2 hands got my welcome to the table hand when finding KK in the small and a pot that was min opened UTG with Ludo flatting in the co so I made it 10600 at 8/1600 but the BB overcalled as did the OR and Ludo and I was not loving life, even more so when the flop was rainbow 910J but felt I  had to bet so had decided to bet/fold and led for 18500 with only the UTG calling, the turn paired the 9 and I had given up in my head but the villain checked back and I binked a King river and bet out 46500 which was pretty much snapped by Qx and scooped to go well over 200k.  For the next few hands I raised most pots as it was 20 mins before the end and then got a table move where I opened one pot and folded to a raise from a big stack who when I was walking over to the table I heard discussing the fact he was not going to play unless he had a hand and then the very last hand of the night I opened A10dd and ending up calling the river with A high and was good vs K high that missed the flush but had bet turn and river and I think the cameras were on us as he was chippie so you may see an Eso hero call (Shock)

          I also made a call early on with 9high bvb in a small pot which was a personal highlight as I was 100% sure it was good so go into Day2 Friday hoping for a good table draw first and then lets makes some hands......


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on August 13, 2014, 09:41:17 AM

          Nice stack Rich

          Was good to have a chat

          glglgl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on August 13, 2014, 10:12:12 AM
          Do a win!


          (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzQvS5stjtGw0fwippQvN2jr3LCBp7J_QPfUedUDsENwM04DX3)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on August 13, 2014, 11:07:31 AM
          Gl Day two (and day 3 etc etc hopefully)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: nirvana on August 13, 2014, 06:13:49 PM
          Well done Rich, hope you play well and get a bit of luck through the rest of it


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on August 13, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
          Do you need clothes still got two bin bags was gonna give to one of those cash for clothes things but would happily give to you at some point if it was worth the trip for the stuff ive got!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 13, 2014, 11:29:24 PM
          Do you need clothes still got two bin bags was gonna give to one of those cash for clothes things but would happily give to you at some point if it was worth the trip for the stuff ive got!
          Hi mate
          Yh they are always welcome and will be around the weekend or in Sept for GPS?

          Cheers Callum


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 13, 2014, 11:48:30 PM
          Nice stack, glgl!
          Back at ya Nick ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 14, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
          9 high? How old are you?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on August 14, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
          9 high? How old are you?

          probably like double us adam. #veryoldman


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
          9 high? How old are you?

          probably like double us adam. #veryoldman
          Lolz even old guys can make razor thin calls ;)

          Can't let you young pups have all the fun...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on August 14, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
          You got those bank details for me? :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
          You got those bank details for me? :)
          Pm sent thx for reminder ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: iangascoigne on August 15, 2014, 09:20:04 AM
            Good luck mate. Run good and all that stuff.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 08:06:54 PM
          Gl me 60 left, 53 paid we have 145k @ 4/8k after a massive grind today!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2014, 08:20:48 PM
          Go on Mr Kral  ;cheerleader;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: iangascoigne on August 15, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
               Keep going.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 08:42:06 PM
          Gl me 60 left, 53 paid we have 145k @ 4/8k after a massive grind today!
          57 left I call a min bvb from the long haired Tom Hall with Qh Jc and flop 102kcc he cbets 22k I call, turn 2c he checks I ship

          He dwells for ever, the cameras appear and after 7 mins he folds K4o

          Now got 200k 56 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 09:19:20 PM
          H4H


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 09:23:35 PM
          I have 160k at 5/10k with 2 people shorter than me on the table (not height wise!)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 15, 2014, 09:43:59 PM
          GLGL!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 09:53:04 PM
          Itm then reship over Btn raise w A3o get called by chippie in bb who has KK. Standard Eso get there on the turn with a straight so 320 at 5/10


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 15, 2014, 10:03:51 PM
          Itm then reship over Btn raise w A3o get called by chippie in bb who has KK. Standard Eso get there on the turn with a straight so 320 at 5/10

          Oioi!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 10:15:01 PM
          Played 8 hours and lost 20k chips today :(

          Day three with 272000 going back 6/12k and 45 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 15, 2014, 10:35:16 PM
          Played 8 hours and lost 20k chips today :(

          Day three with 272000 going back 6/12k and 45 left

          Lost a lot less than quite a few though ;)


          Good luck tomorrow!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2014, 11:00:55 PM
          Good stuff Rich, this could be the one.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 11:01:57 PM
          Thx for all the GL wishes btw over the past few days.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on August 15, 2014, 11:11:30 PM
          Win please


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 15, 2014, 11:14:13 PM
          Win please
          Must be bad if you need me to get you out ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on August 15, 2014, 11:15:12 PM
          Ha nah, didn't get any worse from when text you don't worry.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on August 15, 2014, 11:58:17 PM
          glglglglgl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 16, 2014, 12:09:23 AM
          Gl mate rooting for you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 16, 2014, 12:12:35 AM
          Gl mate rooting for you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 16, 2014, 12:24:39 AM
          GL bud.  Keep grinding it. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: cambridgealex on August 16, 2014, 12:39:06 AM
          Vbol rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on August 16, 2014, 01:47:06 AM
          Do run good, GLGLGL.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on August 16, 2014, 12:38:35 PM
          Good luck Squire.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on August 16, 2014, 01:19:01 PM
          Gwan!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Junior Senior on August 16, 2014, 01:51:28 PM
          Gl gl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
          Cheers all, had a good start then a bad middle and moved to feature table with 15bbs and ship sb to Danny Toffel bb for 14bbs with Q10o he finds AQ I have 29k when we don't get there. I fold Btn 94o before getting it in next hand Q3ss both blinds call and we turn a flush beating AA from sb. Next orbit ship  over Danny Toffel min open utg with Bobba Flatting and Danny reships we have AKo and get there vs JJ with a Greenstein on the river. Then hand before the break we ship 207k at 8/16k with QKcc in co  bb calls with AJ. Jh we flop all hearts Qhigh and fade gutshot and heart to have 430 going back 10/20k 28 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on August 16, 2014, 02:44:58 PM
          Last 6max Mayhew couldn't lose when all in, and I had a big piece then........ You never know


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
          Last 6max Mayhew couldn't lose when all in, and I had a big piece then........ You never know
          1.4million at 10/20k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bagel on August 16, 2014, 03:17:01 PM
          awesome spin up

          best of luck


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 03:48:47 PM
          awesome spin up

          best of luck
          Thx ;)
          1.7million at 12/24k 20 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Doobs on August 16, 2014, 04:27:00 PM
          Good luck


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 04:44:36 PM
          Good luck
          Cheers Doobs

          Lost some traction when Btn shoves for 18bbs and I call of A7o which doesn't hold on the turn vs K10o

          900k at second break 16left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 16, 2014, 04:57:54 PM
          Everything crossed for you mate, best of luck!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on August 16, 2014, 05:01:00 PM
          (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wBB46ovK618/U-94wiba1gI/AAAAAAAAUTw/74pkVpiunP0/w387-h581-no/IMG_8337.JPG)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 05:40:58 PM
          spin time again as got 15bbs at bb 30k
          13left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Pinchop73 on August 16, 2014, 08:21:46 PM
          spinnnnnnnnnnnn


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2014, 10:16:01 PM
          Just got back to Essex, alas the draw finished in 11th having had an epic spin up I just couldn't find the FT push and ended up chipping down being spot and card dead and tried to bluff a river vs Chickenmelt which left me 15bbs and then after a move to the feature table and a blind increase I had 10bbs which became 8 and eventually my last 7 went in with 105hh utg1 to which the chippie snapped behind and despite my pair outs and a gutter being live with 2 cards to come it wasn't to be and £6000 was the score (sorry it wasn't more Crab)

          Thanks for the diary rail guys.

          Next poker for me will be GPS DTD followed by Edinburgh with the mini WPT on the horizon also so watch out for a package but now work, family and bed beckon....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 16, 2014, 10:37:44 PM
          great effort son.  Nice to see you.  GL with the mental work on the punting.  Hope it keeps going well.  See you at gps next month.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 16, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
          Well played mate, and unlucky.

          Look forward to the next rail!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
          Poker is officially a lot more fun when you have loads of chips!!

          I think my game has changed alot over the past few months hopefully for the better but when you have chips it is such a different game as you can peel and really get inside the other players head and it is amazing how people turn up with the most ridiculous hands in spots you would never imagine.  This weekend I have seen loads of people with mountains of chips sat being uber tight and then randomly spew off in one big pot having maybe sat for 4 hours and not played a hand of note.

          I sat with Chickenmelt (Andy Young  gl him today) for lots of Friday and Saturday and he was relentless as the big stack around the bubble which obv he should be and at that stage I was short stacked so had to nit it up a bit as when I opened he had a 3b of 80% plus and basically coffined myself and Tom Hall for a few hours and I was so glad when we broke tables on Saturday although I moved to the feature table.

          I would think my chevy will get some tv time as having 1.5bb's at 8/16k and folding the button to leave myself 28k which was 10 minutes before the break and then on the break chatting to Middy and LeKnave at the bar where I now had 400k and then 10 minutes after the break I had 1.2million it was the biggest swing I have ever had and I think my day would have played out completely different if I held when I called off A7o for a 20bb button shove but didnt hold vs K10 and I would have had 2million at that point.

          Obviously I cannot moan as I actually stood up thinking I was out when Danny beat with with AQ so everything from that point was a freeroll in my head but it would have made a nice story had I made the final :(

          I hope they dont show the hand where I call 225k on the river vs Chicken having defended Q4dd for one bb and basically stationed all streets with bottom pair but apart from that hand and one early on day2 where I check raised the river with A high on KK7 7 4 vs Matt Frankland where he didnt feel like folding AK I think I made some good calls during the comp and not too many bad ones.

          Upon leaving I rang Petra and told her we were knocked out in 11th for £6000 to which she replied

          "Well thats not very good is it!"


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: R8APK on August 17, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
          Great run bud. vwp.

          Didn't want to text you for updates in fear of a bok but was funking for ya!

          Nice result though, see you at GPS.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: iangascoigne on August 17, 2014, 09:53:08 PM
          Well played,great run + great fun + £6k.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TheNuts on August 21, 2014, 08:02:41 PM
          Well played in the UKPC main . Unlucky not to go further .


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 21, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
          Well played in the UKPC main . Unlucky not to go further .
          Thank you.

          Welcome to Blonde!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 30, 2014, 09:05:20 AM
          Over the weekend I spoke about this property that is one of our investment properties and currently tenanted down here in Leigh on Sea

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Treelawn-2.jpg)

          As a landlord we have always tried to do right by our tenants and if anything ever went wrong or they had a problem there we always rectified the problem straight away.  We have never been shy of taking DSS or Housing Association tenants in any of our properties but sometimes it makes you wonder why you bother being nice.

          This tenant has been in the house for 5 years and we have only increased the rent once in that time from £850 to £1000 after 3 years when it was clearly under rented and the tenant in question is a single mum with 3 children, we informed her on the 3rd June that we required possession of the property on the 3rd August at the end of her tenancy and served the relevant section 21 notice at the same time so legally we were covered however today we receive a phone call to say she still has not found alternative living accomodation so wont be in position to move out.

          Despite having served the paperwork in the correct fashion and been totally upfront with her there is actually not a lot we can do and we are between a rock and a hard place as the council in this area advise tenants to stay put until the landlord wins a court eviction as they then move up the ladder of people in need of housing and at the moment she has a roof over her head.

          We are now left with the option of starting off the court process if we dont get keys on the 3rd August which will take 10 weeks total before she would have to be out but in reality we wont receive rent in that time and inherit a poperty in poor condition or wait until the middle of September when a property comes free that she can rent but then psoes problems for us as we need to do 3-4 weeks of work to the house before marketing and then have a limited time to get it sold and turned round to have it completed by Christmas.

          Plus all the time it's empty it costs ££ all because the local council give tenants advice to stay put!!

          /rant


          Well the tenant didnt move on the 28th August as we had agreed and she is allegedly waiting for an eviction date for the property she wishes to move into. The council who had "off the record" said they would give her emergency housing if she didnt move on the 28th obviously now say that she has to approach them in order for them to sort out the housing but from other sources I know that they will be telling her that we need to give her an eviction date so she may as well stay there.

          It's a pretty sad state of affairs as the timing of selling this house was such that we wanted it on the market by the middle of September whi now looks unlikely but we started off eviciton with the solicitors a couple of weeks ago so hopefully the property she wishes to go to will be available soon and we will have just ironed out a few quid in the early stages with the sols.

          The councils even get the tenant to pay a few quid if they slip 2 months behind on the rent as after 2 months the council have to pick up the tab so they get the tenant to pay 1 month and then its another 2 months before they would have to dip their hand inn their pocket but luckily our tenant is still paying...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 30, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
          This week was my final hypnotherapy session as in "George's" eyes I have achieved what I wanted to when I first phoned him and had our initial consultation I had said I wanted to stop gambling but still wanted to be able to turn up and play poker with a clear mindset.

          It is now 7 weeks since I had a bet of any type and in that time I still have the same time in the day, the same access to the internet and money in my pocket that I could do so if I wished but it's as if a penny has dropped and as before there is always a particular photo and phrase in my head that has been instilled in there which immediately dulls any thought of having a punt.

          The only negative side about not gamlbing is that it has really dulled the way I watch sport and whereas I used to watch loads of sport mainly with a bet on it now I dont really watch anything and have watched about 3/4 of the Man City vs Liverpool match as it doesnt seem the same any more :(  I am sure it will improve though.

          So as we finished our session on Thursday he said to me Richard I have clients who want to see me who are more neady than you now so I am going to wish you a good life and you know where I am if you ever feel like you have slipped (which doesnt just mean betting but could be mentally) but YOU have achieved what you set out to so go on your road.

          It was a touch emotional as for 8 weeks this guy has really got into my head and sorted me out and I am now mentally clearer on so much stuff in life and more relaxed as a result of the hypno infact George felt that my speach, demeanor and breathing over the weeks had become more and more relaxed which I have now started to notice also.

          It has been a very interesting chapter of my life tbh and whilst it would be crazy to say he is the reason I have come 33/550 and 11/500 in the last 2 comps I have played he definitely helped in many respects and not having other issues on my mind and focussing on the game itself had an impact.

          Next week we are off to Malta for 10 days before flying back just before GPS Nottingham but got month end here at work to finish first...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 31, 2014, 08:54:14 PM
          Glad to hear this has worked out for you mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on September 01, 2014, 09:34:15 PM

          Nice one Rich

          glglgl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 16, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
          Just got back from 10 days in Malta which was great and will come back with a TR after the weekend, day off tomorrow before hopefully some rungood at DTD for the GPS this week.

          Bring it!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on September 16, 2014, 11:52:50 PM
          Hopefully see you at the weekend!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 17, 2014, 12:00:50 AM
          Hopefully see you at the weekend!
          Cheers Callum,
          Cu there ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on September 17, 2014, 09:13:44 AM
          Estate agent sacked for 'stealing chocolate bar' during viewing

          The camera which captured the apparent theft is activated by movement
          An estate agent was sacked after being caught on camera apparently stealing a bar of chocolate while showing a client around a flat.

          The outgoing tenant of the flat in Walthamstow, east London, was testing the motion-activated camera, which he intended to use in his new home.

          Jon Charter said it felt like "a complete betrayal".

          Your Move Sterling & Co said the employee in question no longer worked for them.

          The footage, recorded on Friday, shows a viewer walking ahead of the agent, who is at the door of the room where the camera is placed.

          The agent is then seen coming back into the room, taking the bar of chocolate and putting it in his coat pocket.

          Mr Charter said: "I set up the camera so that they would all be working when we moved to our new house.


          The agent was seen taking the chocolate bar and pocketing it before heading out
          "I got alerted by email that there was movement and sound in my flat and it starts recording remotely straight away.

          "I then started to watch this and saw the theft. I felt it was a complete betrayal and wondered what else could have happened to others and myself previously."

          He said the agent later apologised via text message, claiming that he had been suffering from dizziness and needed the sugar in the chocolate bar.

          Manish Somani, director of Your Move Sterling & Co said: "We are very serious about the protection of our reputation and brand.

          "Therefore as soon as we were made aware of this incident action was taken and the employee is no longer working for us.

          "We have also apologised to both the tenant and landlord for this unfortunate incident. The landlord has fully accepted this apology and the tenant has accepted a payment as a goodwill gesture for both the chocolate bar and any inconvenience caused."


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on September 17, 2014, 09:15:44 AM

          The poor bloke was hungry!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 17, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
          Aren't you supposed to put signs up if you're using CCTV? I thought there used to be some law or something.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 17, 2014, 02:21:42 PM
          Estate agent sacked for 'stealing chocolate bar' during viewing

          The camera which captured the apparent theft is activated by movement
          An estate agent was sacked after being caught on camera apparently stealing a bar of chocolate while showing a client around a flat.

          The outgoing tenant of the flat in Walthamstow, east London, was testing the motion-activated camera, which he intended to use in his new home.

          Jon Charter said it felt like "a complete betrayal".

          Your Move Sterling & Co said the employee in question no longer worked for them.

          The footage, recorded on Friday, shows a viewer walking ahead of the agent, who is at the door of the room where the camera is placed.

          The agent is then seen coming back into the room, taking the bar of chocolate and putting it in his coat pocket.

          Mr Charter said: "I set up the camera so that they would all be working when we moved to our new house.


          The agent was seen taking the chocolate bar and pocketing it before heading out
          "I got alerted by email that there was movement and sound in my flat and it starts recording remotely straight away.

          "I then started to watch this and saw the theft. I felt it was a complete betrayal and wondered what else could have happened to others and myself previously."

          He said the agent later apologised via text message, claiming that he had been suffering from dizziness and needed the sugar in the chocolate bar.

          Manish Somani, director of Your Move Sterling & Co said: "We are very serious about the protection of our reputation and brand.

          "Therefore as soon as we were made aware of this incident action was taken and the employee is no longer working for us.

          "We have also apologised to both the tenant and landlord for this unfortunate incident. The landlord has fully accepted this apology and the tenant has accepted a payment as a goodwill gesture for both the chocolate bar and any inconvenience caused."

          I will come back to this soon as have a similar story but not me involved obv.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on September 17, 2014, 04:59:02 PM
          We have more issues with leaving potential tenants to roam around, guess it's a trust thing. The fees we make are not worth the reputation damage! Unless I found a vault with a load of gold in it ;)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on September 19, 2014, 04:22:09 PM
          HUGE thanks to Eso for the Nando's he bought me in the absence of celtic.  It was a shame that he wasn't there to join us, but I have to say it was probably the best batch of chicken I've ever had from that establishment.  Eso was kind enough to pay, and bought all the sides too!!!  Overall I had a fantastic evening out, the entertainment was great, so I'm going to give Eso a 10/10.

          Unlucky on only baggin up 180 though you massive punter  ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 19, 2014, 04:30:43 PM
          HUGE thanks to Eso for the Nando's he bought me in the absence of celtic.  It was a shame that he wasn't there to join us, but I have to say it was probably the best batch of chicken I've ever had from that establishment.  Eso was kind enough to pay, and bought all the sides too!!!  Overall I had a fantastic evening out, the entertainment was great, so I'm going to give Eso a 10/10.

          Unlucky on only baggin up 180 though you massive punter  ;D
          You are most welcome celtic Tommo it's good to have a new, funnier, Nandos partner who can punt!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: theprawnidentity on September 19, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
          You are most welcome celtic Tommo it's good to have a new, funnier, Nandos partner who can punt!!!

          When I was listening to you reminisce about your times in there with celtic I was 100% sure you didn't use you the word 'punt'.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 20, 2014, 05:20:48 AM
          :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
          Estate agent sacked for 'stealing chocolate bar' during viewing

          The camera which captured the apparent theft is activated by movement
          An estate agent was sacked after being caught on camera apparently stealing a bar of chocolate while showing a client around a flat.

          The outgoing tenant of the flat in Walthamstow, east London, was testing the motion-activated camera, which he intended to use in his new home.

          Jon Charter said it felt like "a complete betrayal".

          Your Move Sterling & Co said the employee in question no longer worked for them.

          The footage, recorded on Friday, shows a viewer walking ahead of the agent, who is at the door of the room where the camera is placed.

          The agent is then seen coming back into the room, taking the bar of chocolate and putting it in his coat pocket.

          Mr Charter said: "I set up the camera so that they would all be working when we moved to our new house.


          The agent was seen taking the chocolate bar and pocketing it before heading out
          "I got alerted by email that there was movement and sound in my flat and it starts recording remotely straight away.

          "I then started to watch this and saw the theft. I felt it was a complete betrayal and wondered what else could have happened to others and myself previously."

          He said the agent later apologised via text message, claiming that he had been suffering from dizziness and needed the sugar in the chocolate bar.

          Manish Somani, director of Your Move Sterling & Co said: "We are very serious about the protection of our reputation and brand.

          "Therefore as soon as we were made aware of this incident action was taken and the employee is no longer working for us.

          "We have also apologised to both the tenant and landlord for this unfortunate incident. The landlord has fully accepted this apology and the tenant has accepted a payment as a goodwill gesture for both the chocolate bar and any inconvenience caused."

          I will come back to this soon as have a similar story but not me involved obv.
          Recently I had something similar to deal with as having taken over responsibility for running 3 offices I was in the one that needed most help as 2 key people had left although it has enabled us to really make some changes that we couldnt until they had left the firm.

          A transaction was going through for a house we had sold at £800k and that vendor was buying through us at £500k so it was a £15k transaction in fees and close to exchange one of the girls in the office let slip to myself and my new number 2 in th eoffice we were lucky to have kept it together and proceeded to tell us that the bigger property had 2 offers on it the weekend it tied up but the vendor wanted to sell it to x party but client b was prepared to offer more if he could second view the property.

          The vendor refused the viewing and said he didnt want client b to view again, the manager of the office decided as he liked client B he would take him in anyway and showed him around again and 24 hours later the office had received a phone call from the vendor to say that he was disappointed as he had reviewed his homes CCTV ( the office was not aware he had this) and seen that the staff member had been in but not only this he had watched as the manager got there early and opened up one of the kitchen cupboards and helped himself to some chocolate biscuits before client B got there.

          The complaint was handled without the knowledge of either myself or the MD but came out after they left, and as it happened client A pulled out and B got the home so as I had not been made aware of the complaint and as I thought it would be great from a "Does he know point of view" as both the members of staff left to join a new company in the same town that when the property completed just before I went away I took down 2 packets of Chocolate Hob Nobs to their new office and said the vendor of the property had bought them in as a thank you.

          As it turns out they were both wrong uns in this dept as they used to openly discuss which vendors had x buscuit so was a standard thng for them which is pretty sad being as theywre on 30k and 50k respectively...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on September 22, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
          I find that incredible that people would risk their jobs for a few biscuits in client's houses.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 01:15:20 PM
          MALTA

          Had an amazing time in Malta and for those that dont know I am half Maltese which probs makes sense now with the big nose, olive skin etc etc and really love the place, infact whenever I go there it really feels like home from the point the plane starts to land.  If you have not been before then it is as they say the kind of place that you will either love or hate and for those lovers you will probably keep going back time and time again.

          I can definitely see myself living there at some point in the future and will buy for investment over the next few years as we move forward....

          The Maltese are great people and I have four Aunts and two Uncles plus my cousins, nephews and neices out there so when we go it is not just about a holiday as they all want to see you and make time to spend time with you during your stay.
          As it was my 40th this year we stayed here at the Hotel Corinthia in St.Georges Bay which is just around from St.Julians and overlooks the Dragonara Casino and is one of the top 10 hotels in Malta albeit getting a bit tired in the rooms now.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Corinthia1.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Corinthia2.jpg)

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKZkUdAdAUc

          In Std Eso rungood when we checked in at reception we were told that we would need to go to the 4th floor check in and having gone through the glass sliding doors were told that we had been given a complimentary upgrade to an Executive Suite which gave extra room for the kids and also the use of the executive lounge (below) that was a room open from 7am - 7pm and gave you the chance to eat in private from the selection of foods there as well as helping yourself to free drinks provided in the fridges.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-49.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-48.jpg)

          When I am in Malta we still love to be a tourist and visit some of the sites despite the fact we have been many times before and combine these with family visits so upon going to see the "Mosta Dome" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotunda_of_Mosta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotunda_of_Mosta) we went to see my cousin Michelle's recent purchase that is having work done to it.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-68.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-67.jpg)

          All the old houses have names and this one is called " The Nanna's" and is a stone built house as many are except the new builds which has been split into two houses both 2 beds with this one having lots of traditional features and fittings and a roof terrace that needs some work but has views over the dome itself.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-70.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-71.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-72.jpg)

          This town is fairly expensive as an inland town and with the work to be done this will set you back about £190-£200k with about £30-£40k required to be spent on it.
          This is the dome itself and is defo worth a visit to anyone going.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-64.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-65.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 01:56:24 PM
          When you see the real Malta and experience the people it is a marvelous place and my Mum used to tell me how Nana used to wash the marble doorstep everyday as even though the rest of the house may have looked dusty due to the heat and the stone buildings etc they are very proud people and most mornings you will see women "of an age" with a bucket of water washing doorsteps and mopping hallways like this one that had just been done as we walked down a street.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-66.jpg)

          Whilst there we also went to see their new "National Aquarium" which hs opened since my last visit and knocked spots off any Aquarium I have been to in this country and for those that dont know Malta has very good diving with over 30 dive sites on Malta plus more on Gozo and Comino (the adjoining Islands) and they have used various bits of boats/submarines from around the coast to create the walk through bits of the Aquarium.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-51.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-52.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-55.jpg)

          Even Rexas made an appearance
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-54.jpg)
          A big FISH for those that dont know him...


          If you go during May - September then you should definitely go to a Festa (Feast) with the exert below explaining the feast itself


          "The Maltese village festa is the distilled essence of all that is Mediterranean in one event. These feasts combine colourful lights, band music, noisy and bright fireworks displays, and a crowd of hundreds spilling out of bars onto the noisy streets into one orgy of celebration. It’s an unforgettable experience of food, drink, music and fanfare.
          Festas are held mainly between the months of May and September, although there are a few exceptions.  Every village has at least one patron saint, and this serves as the basis for the village feast. On the appointed time of the year, that village will festoon the streets with statues and banners dedicated to the saint, and throughout the entire week, locals and tourists turn up in droves to enjoy the festivities."

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAxqb2xBms

          There is so much to do over there for an Island that only measures approx 27miles x 9miles and if nayone is ever going please feel free to message or post if you want any info.

          Whilst there I always go to visit the resting place of my Grandma and Grandad and many other family members and the main cemetary is in Valetta and is a cast place as the following clips show and there can be as many as 15-20 people resting in the same plot as they were purchsed by the families over time and if you were wealthy you bought one of the "mini churches" that remain your families until the last living member of your family is alive but then after it gets to a state of ruin they have the right to resell or renew the area.

          One of our families plots
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cDslYV2Ze8

          The other
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-60.jpg)

          Two plots away this family have photo's of the resting members
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-61.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-59.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-58.jpg)




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 22, 2014, 02:00:05 PM
          Making me want to go back 😪


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on September 22, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
          I'm fairly sure that tomb thing is v close to my granny and grandad's grave.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
          Malta is renowned for its cat's, I think mainly due to the fact there are so many stray cats that people feed and they just keep multiplying and this little clip was taken from my Aunt's appt balcony in the village of Zejtun where they are responsible and have all paid for the older ones to be neutered or spayed although the odd new one does appear when new strays join the merry band but all the kittens are looked after but this is normal for village life.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYu-U05hGNk

          Here are my two doing a bit of night time sun bathing.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-62.jpg)

          and Ivy carrying the empty water bottles on the way to the grave's.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-56.jpg)

          Max was pretty disappointed to leave as he gets 2 weeks with his dad not having to worry about work etc and here he is saying goodbye for now to Malta although I am sure we will be back soon....
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26mts99_agg


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
          We arrived back on the Tuesday night and I had a day at home before using a pass out to go to DTD for the GPS so Thursday morning consisted of leaving home and checking in to the hotel before starting my Day 1 which having sold 40% of action in this thread http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64188.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64188.0) for four future events meant we would fire 2 bullets if required here.

          Having chipped down solidly early whilst trying to flop some hands after the first break it was funny as everytime I texted the team my chip counts it seemed our stack was just increasing and I managed to finish on 183k at the end of the day and also lost the theoretical Nando's flip vs Tomsom (new bessie) which meant that I was now in Nottingham with a free day but unlike "the old Eso" I was no longer in psition to go punting for the day so I went to visit my brothers house that I have not seen yet just down the road in Borrowash and spent an hour at my Dad's resting place at Bretby Crematorium.

          We had most of Dad's ashes scattered here but my brother and myself agreed a few should be scattered down south as I am not always up this way  (in before) and Bretby Crem is such a peacefull place with Dad being in the same spot as his mum so I always love spending some time when I can.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gedle39n6Kg

          Having a few hours to kill I just ended up watching a couple of films before an early night and then had breakfast with Mark Mccluskey where he told me an interesting story of how Ellie Biessek had been monaing to him for months about how bad she was running live (dont you just love bad beat stories) and after he had told her it would turn around he bumped into her a few weeks ago and it had "got worse" so he told her that a colleague of Mark's had recently given him a "Lucky piece of Jade stone" that you had to sleep with the first night  (std tap in) and that meant the energies within the stone transferred to you and everytime you needed a little pick me up you toched the stone.

          Mark had left the stone at home obv but on day 1 first break gave Ellie a little rub and also at the start of day 2 after she had told him the person who had given him the stonehad blanked her facebook request and could he please put her in direct contact with this lady needless to say I would love to be a buyer of Jade stone in the futures marekts today!!!

          Anyway we digress as I  headed back to DTD for day 2 which started really well when I drew a table with no one over 120k and I hit some cards to chip up to 280k with the average at 120k and thought I was on for another deep run until I lost 90k opening the c/o with KJcc and got flatted behind and by the BB and we saw the flop of KKArb which I bet 1/2 pot and again 1/2 pot on the Q turn and set the villain in on the J river but he had KQ and we moved back towards the pack.

          I then got moved to the feature table again and lost a pot that I felt I should have folded the river but one of the team said I should call as he either has what he had or nothing and it was a relitively small bet but that then left us faily short from 100 down and when we got down to 80 with 71 paid I had to grind between 5-10 bb's max for over 3 hours and on the direct bubble which lasted well over an hour it was a war of attrition with me determined to get into the money for the team as it would be pretty bad to just dust it off having grinded so long but also means unless you have an epic spin your tournament is crucified.

          At the dinner break I was due to be in the SB at 3/6/1000 and had 27k and had to wait an hour but it gave me chance to see that one other player had 20k and was on the button and someone else had 40k with the blinds due to go through them so I really hoped for a swift bust out for someone.

          Mark had also told me he played with a chap called Alex Gabriel on his day 1 who he felt played really well and he also happened to be on the feature table so we got chatting and he was in conversation with  Sulphur Man who told him he posted on Blonde to which he replied so do I and gave his name as Papahat or Papahet who has racked up an impressive 13 posts in 10 years so in the reverse Wazz approach he will be able to start getting staked or staking in the year 2244!!

          Incredibly both people Mark spoke to me about over breakfast had differing ends to their tournaments as in what I would imagine is pretty bad ICM wise the very first hand after the break, Michael Howard who had abused the bubble relentlessly like he should with 3 x avg opened utg to 12k and when it folded to Alex in the BB I was pretty shocked to she him ship AI so expected to see QQ+ and even QQ is probs questionable as there were 3 4 bb stacks (IDK?)  anyway back on Michae he declare he should now look at this cards and managed to open AQo and obv made the call for a vvv small % of his stack and after all the other hands played out to see if there were any more all in's and calls the bloggers made there way to our table and Alex flipped 1010 with the runout below ( not amazingly vissible)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQKAwnMxyEY

          But it meant a few hands later when folded to me I got in my K2cc for 19k and the BB called off 68o and rivered an 8 which meant no epic spinup this time around but a winning start to the package (well for backers anyways!!) but also good for morale as although I dont really worry too much about it I now have 7 cashes on the herbert this year from 17 events which is also the highest number of cashes in 1 year since I started posting here in a year where I have played fewer events.

          Hopefully I can put myself n another position to knock on the door at UKIPT London in 2 weeks time...



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2014, 03:38:41 PM
          I find that incredible that people would risk their jobs for a few biscuits in client's houses.
          When working in Chadwell Heath I had a negotiator called Bilal who was asian and came from a fairly strict family but his girlfriend was of a different caste so they were not allowed to date.  I was marketing a property that was empty which was just a small modern 2 bed home and was SSTC and going through but the next door neighbour held a key and kept an eye on it for the owner.

          One day (Bilal's day off) I got a phone call from the neighbour to ask if the deal had gone through yet which I told her no but it was close and she said well it seems there is someone living there as she had heard movement in the property and seen someone smoking outside the window upstairs.  I said I would whizz up as to my knowledge no one should live there so when I went to the key cupboard I was disappointed to find no keys there but also not shocked as in our game keys go missing all the time (although it's bad form) with negs forgetting them in their pockets or cars and it is the bane of your life so I checked the records and assumed the surveyor had them who had been in one week ago. Nope!

          I rang Bilal to see if they were in his car and he didnt answer so rang the neighbour to say could I borrow her set and I would go in and drove up to see her.  As I went to the door I found the chain on the latch and shouted upstairs that unless they came down straight away I would be calling the police and at this point a bare chested, red faced Bilal came down the stairs apologising and I walked off explaining to the neighbour I knew who was in the property and would deal with them and the vendor directly tomorrow but she didnt need to worry.

          Fronting Bilal the next day he said he was sorry and offered me his resignation but said his family had barred him from seeing the girl but he was in love (they got married in the end) and he wasnt a bad lad so I put him on a final written warning and made him agree that if the vendor who was the next phone call I was makiing wanted a reduction that he was to pay the shortfall to the company which he agreed to and whilst the vendor took it in good spirits as I was honest with him he didnt want to take the reduction but I gave him £500 off his bill as a gesture and to penalise Bilal a little bit.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: craigbetts on September 24, 2014, 01:10:44 PM
          Hey Kral, nice write up on Malta. A few years ago I went and played a few matches of cricket over in Malta. At the time they only had a few teams and as such if you played you were almost in the national team. There was an 80 year on the field who had played for the Maltese cricket team not long before we played his local team. That's not the reason for the post, I blooming loved the draganorra (sp), did you venture in? If so do they still have a horse racing machine directly outside the poker room where you can perm tricasts for fun, it is like an upgrade donkey derby but amazing fun and quite addictive (not for reformed degens  ;)). We also did a days clean up at the Pietra Military Cemetery and giving up just a few hours in respect for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice is a humbling experience. Peace Bettsy.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 29, 2014, 05:39:37 PM
          Hey Kral, nice write up on Malta. A few years ago I went and played a few matches of cricket over in Malta. At the time they only had a few teams and as such if you played you were almost in the national team. There was an 80 year on the field who had played for the Maltese cricket team not long before we played his local team. That's not the reason for the post, I blooming loved the draganorra (sp), did you venture in? If so do they still have a horse racing machine directly outside the poker room where you can perm tricasts for fun, it is like an upgrade donkey derby but amazing fun and quite addictive (not for reformed degens  ;)). We also did a days clean up at the Pietra Military Cemetery and giving up just a few hours in respect for those who gave the ultimate sacrifice is a humbling experience. Peace Bettsy.
          Hi Bettsy

          There was no Dragonarra visit this time around as it would be pretty pointless as I am not punting but I do remember the game in question and wasted a few maltese lira (before they joined the euro) over the visits there. 

          I drove past the military cemetary whilst there and can imagine it was pretty humbling being there and many people you speak to know/knew people who were stationed in Malta over the years and now the barracks seem to be derelict or waiting conversion into apartments which is probably a good thing.

          Nice to hear from you, are you still training the future of the forces?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 29, 2014, 05:49:57 PM
          Went to value an interesting property today with a story...
          This is the bungalow
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/6acres.jpg)

          It's 3 bedrooms and set in 5.5 acres of land with some stabling to the left hand side and an overgrown orchard which is set on an unmade road that must not do your car any good going down there every day whilst being located at the back of an industrial estate but with access to the A127 linking you to Southend or the A12/M25/London routes.

          The owner is a woman in her 40's who was a carer for an elderley lady who never gave of the impression as having a few quid but upon passing away left everything she had to my client and nedless to say the client was most suprised that she had been left a property portfolio which is worth 6.5million pounds and whilst that sounds great, as there was no exit stategy from the old lady my client was hit with a £2million inheritance tax bill so they have had to set about working out which bits of the portfolio to sell.

          This bungalow is in good condition and there are rumours that in the future the council may give permission to build on the land of this and the adjoining properties/land and therefore just the bungalow itself and 2 acres of the 5.5 with the other 3 being seperated off in the title is likely to set back some person £650-£700k plus there will be an "overidge provision" set against the property which will give the seller a % of any uplift in price or a set pounds and pence figure which any buyer will be aware of from the outset.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on September 29, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
          Made any progress with the house with the tenant that needs moving?
          I exchanged on my next property today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 30, 2014, 08:26:54 PM
          Made any progress with the house with the tenant that needs moving?
          I exchanged on my next property today
          Grats on the next one in the portfolio!

          No unfortunately the tenant is still there but is paying the rent and the solicitors are underway so we are now waiting a court date with the tenant having been served papers so now has the right to defend (unlikely) and if she does not contest then we should gain possession in 5-6 weeks.

          The sad thing is her property she wishes to move into is in exactly the same position and if that comes free she will most likely go before the court date but everyone is waiting for each other.

          It does put the mockers on the timing as we would then be putting the property to market at a quieter time of year so we may have to swallow 2months of lost rent etc and launch to the market in the new year which means we cannot start our next project until March time.

          Thanks for enquiring though.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on September 30, 2014, 11:21:29 PM
          Had an email from my agent Friday to say my other property had been broken into and the neighbours had called the Police. The neighbour thought it was the tenant who had broken in!!

          Whoever had broken in had done so by putting a ladder against the front of the house and going through a bedroom window. Just lol at how they thought they were getting away with it, it is a busy street  and you wouldn't get away with doing it at night, let alone in the afternoon.
          Anyway, agent goes to the property and lets the Police in, tenant turns up a few minutes later, goes into the property with the Police and comes again 10 mins later in cuffs!!!

          Apparently the Police found something, likely drugs.
          Tenant gave notice, as did we, but we have agreed that they can go end of the week and property up for let again. Easier to let him go while the deposit is still intact rather than having to chase him/guarantor later for the rent.

          Obv going to have to pay again for upfront costs of having a new tenant.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 03, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
          Hi mate.

          You playing GPS still? Remember and book flights to glasgow as you're staying with me. I know you wouldn't be so stupid to book edinburgh, because only a really stupid person would do that, but just wanted to be sure.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2014, 09:20:23 PM
          Hi mate.

          You playing GPS still? Remember and book flights to glasgow as you're staying with me. I know you wouldn't be so stupid to book edinburgh, because only a really stupid person would do that, but just wanted to be sure.
          Hi mate
          Yep all booked up and coming on the Weds and will be flying into Glasgow Edinburgh as I'm stupid!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 03, 2014, 09:24:34 PM
          No worries mate. Plenty trains and buses from Edinburgh airport to glasgow.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 03, 2014, 09:29:07 PM
          lolz see you all in EDIN for the gps.  I booked the train direct to edin for the gps!   I expect Edin's finest curry house btw not nando's!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2014, 10:56:08 PM
          lolz see you all in EDIN for the gps.  I booked the train direct to edin for the gps!   I expect Edin's finest curry house btw not nando's!
          Which day are you coming up bud?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 03, 2014, 11:18:45 PM
          31 oct arrive at station at 1220pm celtic picking me up and straight to gps. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 03, 2014, 11:29:24 PM
          31 oct arrive at station at 1220pm celtic picking me up and straight to nandos

          FYP


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2014, 11:35:49 PM
          31 oct arrive at station at 1220pm celtic picking me up and straight to gps. 
          I assume you're staying at vinnies like the rest of us yh?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 03, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
          31 oct arrive at station at 1220pm celtic picking me up and straight to gps.  
          I assume you're staying at vinnies like the rest of us yh?

          no Simone (missus) is doing a masters in Edinburgh this year so i thought it made sense to couple seeing her and getting a couple of 'lol soft' donkfests in to pay the train up to see her if Celtic was playing! ;D  Please no nandos though!  First time i have ever played poker in Scotland.  Looking forward to it.  Up next weekend for the 25/25 and to see Simone obviously as well!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 04, 2014, 01:56:41 PM
          As I have Ukipt London next week and then at the end of the month due to Petra's work I will now being travelling to Edinburgh alone I thought it would be good yesterday on my day off to ensure the floor Petra wanted sanding was done as in the timeframe we have I need to prime and do 2 coats by Monday evening so having done this reception room 4 years ago and subsequently done the other rooms and upstairs I knew what I was in for.

          This was the room having been emptied (obv in my opinion it didnt need doing but brownie points are required) and Petra wants to change the colour scheme and go back to a natural colour on the floor.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNfOdQIA2Fc

          This was after the initial diaganol go to break the top of the seal
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMUnliF2AiI

          These last two were after the clean up and when the kids having looked at me all day were able to see the room again
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nQoaN9DZ1U

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8F_J-eJxpU

          First coat will be going on later on after I have finished work...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 06, 2014, 03:21:34 PM
          As someone who does not like DIY I am happy with the end result as on Saturday I did a primer coat then SUnday am did a first coat and last night a second coat with the second clip being the ifnished article.

          From this
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNfOdQIA2Fc

          To this
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puRBVUfNAh4


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on October 06, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
          Looks good, well done


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on October 07, 2014, 07:57:57 PM

          Show off


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2014, 07:00:48 PM
          Getting knocked out of a tournament when you don't play that many is pretty sad and even as a recreational player I always go through the thought process of could I have done anything different as you always want that feeling of being 'in'!

          Going back Friday for day2 of the UKIPT london main event was no different even though I had considerably less chips than I have previously had for day 2's recently but I still felt hopeful of a spin more so when I found AA in the BB vs a button raise and decided I was just going to flat from 17bbs as I really wanted a double up so if my oppo outdrew me then fair play, so the 3KJss flop I hoped hit my Spanish oppo but he checked the flop and I bet 3bbs on the 5d turn and he called which gave hope of another bet getting called and on the 8h river I decided to bet all of my soldiers and after a short dwell he folded, I probably could have let him bluff but w/e.

          With some confidence back in the chip stack I min opened 33 in the co and our table chippy (Anatoly Filatov) who was a very smartly dressed Russian young man that amassed a pretty good stack in yesterday's 1a of the EPT called in the bb and we saw a K72 flop which he checked, I decided to check back and when the Q hit the turn my now Russian oppo bet 2bbs and having seen him act differently when he recently doubled up I called and he checked the A river so I took the free showdown and was good vs 10high.

          With 38mins to go till the break and me desperately needing a pee I took the option after it went utg open  MP 3b Btn cold 4 to fold my Sb and ran to the loo and was back just in time to sit down as the first card was dealt of the next hand so opening up 88 and having 13. Something bigs I initially thought happy days as imagine if I was 30 seconds later and it had been folded for me, alas another minute on I was wishing I had took longer under the hand dryer after I raise called off vs the SB who outdrew me with A9ss to leave me typing this.

          Note to self from the weekend - always dry your hands just that little bit longer than they need in future ;)


          I have still managed to abstain from having a bet which must be nearly 16 weeks now but I could be taking the biggest gamble of my life if I am considered for a venture that I have today put in an expression of interest for.

          I showed a couple of clips previously of the premises on the seafront in Southend right opposite the pier entrance and at the other end of the lift connecting the High Street and the seafront and the premises itself has been empty since 2004 when it was built due to some build problems and then for the past 4 years by the previous leaseholder who passed away 2 years ago whilst I was selling his house (they do say moving can be stressful) and I have been in contact with the council ever since as I was close to assigining the lease from the late vendor himself.

          Here is the premises and a link to an article about the site which appeared in the local newspaper a week or so ago
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXDC1hlR0c

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSpU1aaWVU

          http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr)

          Over the past 3 years I have formulated a plan for the premises and would be going into this project with open eyes but it would be the equivalent of being "All in" on a semi bluff as first of all I have to secure the lease and ensure that it's a local person the council want as opposed to some faceless chain and that it the basis of my expression of interest with me stating the social & economic benefits that we as local people employing local people will bring to the area as our model is based around local people and local suppliers wich to my knowledge are our council's buzzwords but we are likely to be competing against Costa or Starbucks or both.

          I was prepared to walk away from it when I saw the rent which is £45k per annum as I was negotiating on it less than 2 years ago for £15k per annum but then got excited again when I knew a big chain would be interested and my model was similar to what they do but with a couple of additions, it is however a very big investment as apart from the supplies being there ready to connect it is a shell inside and behind the wooden fascia there is nothing so the big glass frontage is most likely a £40k investment itself and dependant on build quality, time etc the total investment could be as much as £200k to get it up and running of which I am happy to risk half of from property etc etc and the upside is that on all the research I have done it would be feasable to expect to be able to turnover £500k possibly more if it really took off.

          First of all I have to become the "chosen one" and then I have a good few weeks to sweat getting the rest of the money whilst they sort out the lease etc with a view to opening in Spring 2015. Petra has been great and very supportive on it and I think as we have both invested a lot of time over the past couple of years on it we would be disappointed not to have put in an expression of interest even if we are not chosen, especially if we see in a years time it doing really well as our model and layout is very similar to what they offer.



          I get inspired by quite a few things and people these days and in the past week have...

          *Had coffee with Ed Gascoigne who is a "top bloke" whilst in London although I looked pretty scruffy compared to him in his pinstripe suit and pink tie (takes a real man obv)

          *Listened to a podcast that was recommended by Outrageous from a start up company who has also been a great help so far on this new project

          *Read a book called "The E Myth" by Michael E Gerber that if you have not read but have a small business should be on your Christmas list.

          In DIY (Man) Brags I have instead of trying to ladder in the UKIPT London been up a ladder doing the cutting in bit of the painting which is whilst time consuming, pretty rewarding as once it's finished you get to daub paint over the rest of it giving it a good finish and whilst I dont approve of the white walls (apparently in Leigh it's the IN thing) am pretty confident it will look good when finished this week.

          Here is my excellent cutting in which I did after 2 coats of the ceiling and having removed the fireplace I made from two railway sleepers which is to be replaced with another
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snlBDI9q7Q8



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on October 13, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
          Good to see you practicing the DIY/decorating skills for your property renovations!
          Good luck with the Council :)up :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 13, 2014, 07:17:01 PM
          Getting knocked out of a tournament when you don't play that many is pretty sad and even as a recreational player I always go through the thought process of could I have done anything different as you always want that feeling of being 'in'!

          Going back Friday for day2 of the UKIPT london main event was no different even though I had considerably less chips than I have previously had for day 2's recently but I still felt hopeful of a spin more so when I found AA in the BB vs a button raise and decided I was just going to flat from 17bbs as I really wanted a double up so if my oppo outdrew me then fair play, so the 3KJss flop I hoped hit my Spanish oppo but he checked the flop and I bet 3bbs on the 5d turn and he called which gave hope of another bet getting called and on the 8h river I decided to bet all of my soldiers and after a short dwell he folded, I probably could have let him bluff but w/e.

          With some confidence back in the chip stack I min opened 33 in the co and our table chippy (Anatoly Filatov) who was a very smartly dressed Russian young man that amassed a pretty good stack in yesterday's 1a of the EPT called in the bb and we saw a K72 flop which he checked, I decided to check back and when the Q hit the turn my now Russian oppo bet 2bbs and having seen him act differently when he recently doubled up I called and he checked the A river so I took the free showdown and was good vs 10high.

          With 38mins to go till the break and me desperately needing a pee I took the option after it went utg open  MP 3b Btn cold 4 to fold my Sb and ran to the loo and was back just in time to sit down as the first card was dealt of the next hand so opening up 88 and having 13. Something bigs I initially thought happy days as imagine if I was 30 seconds later and it had been folded for me, alas another minute on I was wishing I had took longer under the hand dryer after I raise called off vs the SB who outdrew me with A9ss to leave me typing this.

          Note to self from the weekend - always dry your hands just that little bit longer than they need in future ;)


          I have still managed to abstain from having a bet which must be nearly 16 weeks now but I could be taking the biggest gamble of my life if I am considered for a venture that I have today put in an expression of interest for.

          I showed a couple of clips previously of the premises on the seafront in Southend right opposite the pier entrance and at the other end of the lift connecting the High Street and the seafront and the premises itself has been empty since 2004 when it was built due to some build problems and then for the past 4 years by the previous leaseholder who passed away 2 years ago whilst I was selling his house (they do say moving can be stressful) and I have been in contact with the council ever since as I was close to assigining the lease from the late vendor himself.

          Here is the premises and a link to an article about the site which appeared in the local newspaper a week or so ago
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXDC1hlR0c

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSpU1aaWVU

          http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr)

          Over the past 3 years I have formulated a plan for the premises and would be going into this project with open eyes but it would be the equivalent of being "All in" on a semi bluff as first of all I have to secure the lease and ensure that it's a local person the council want as opposed to some faceless chain and that it the basis of my expression of interest with me stating the social & economic benefits that we as local people employing local people will bring to the area as our model is based around local people and local suppliers wich to my knowledge are our council's buzzwords but we are likely to be competing against Costa or Starbucks or both.

          I was prepared to walk away from it when I saw the rent which is £45k per annum as I was negotiating on it less than 2 years ago for £15k per annum but then got excited again when I knew a big chain would be interested and my model was similar to what they do but with a couple of additions, it is however a very big investment as apart from the supplies being there ready to connect it is a shell inside and behind the wooden fascia there is nothing so the big glass frontage is most likely a £40k investment itself and dependant on build quality, time etc the total investment could be as much as £200k to get it up and running of which I am happy to risk half of from property etc etc and the upside is that on all the research I have done it would be feasable to expect to be able to turnover £500k possibly more if it really took off.

          First of all I have to become the "chosen one" and then I have a good few weeks to sweat getting the rest of the money whilst they sort out the lease etc with a view to opening in Spring 2015. Petra has been great and very supportive on it and I think as we have both invested a lot of time over the past couple of years on it we would be disappointed not to have put in an expression of interest even if we are not chosen, especially if we see in a years time it doing really well as our model and layout is very similar to what they offer.



          I get inspired by quite a few things and people these days and in the past week have...

          *Had coffee with Ed Gascoigne who is a "top bloke" whilst in London although I looked pretty scruffy compared to him in his pinstripe suit and pink tie (takes a real man obv)

          *Listened to a podcast that was recommended by Outrageous from a start up company who has also been a great help so far on this new project

          *Read a book called "The E Myth" by Michael E Gerber that if you have not read but have a small business should be on your Christmas list.

          In DIY (Man) Brags I have instead of trying to ladder in the UKIPT London been up a ladder doing the cutting in bit of the painting which is whilst time consuming, pretty rewarding as once it's finished you get to daub paint over the rest of it giving it a good finish and whilst I dont approve of the white walls (apparently in Leigh it's the IN thing) am pretty confident it will look good when finished this week.

          Here is my excellent cutting in which I did after 2 coats of the ceiling and having removed the fireplace I made from two railway sleepers which is to be replaced with another
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snlBDI9q7Q8



          You giving up the day job to potentially do this or do it on the side ?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
          Good to see you practicing the DIY/decorating skills for your property renovations!
          Good luck with the Council :)up :)up
          Cheers bud, if the seafront venture comes off then the renovations has to be put back a couple of years to enable us to recoup the capital outlay.

          Have you bought anything else recently?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 13, 2014, 07:35:18 PM
          Getting knocked out of a tournament when you don't play that many is pretty sad and even as a recreational player I always go through the thought process of could I have done anything different as you always want that feeling of being 'in'!

          Going back Friday for day2 of the UKIPT london main event was no different even though I had considerably less chips than I have previously had for day 2's recently but I still felt hopeful of a spin more so when I found AA in the BB vs a button raise and decided I was just going to flat from 17bbs as I really wanted a double up so if my oppo outdrew me then fair play, so the 3KJss flop I hoped hit my Spanish oppo but he checked the flop and I bet 3bbs on the 5d turn and he called which gave hope of another bet getting called and on the 8h river I decided to bet all of my soldiers and after a short dwell he folded, I probably could have let him bluff but w/e.

          With some confidence back in the chip stack I min opened 33 in the co and our table chippy (Anatoly Filatov) who was a very smartly dressed Russian young man that amassed a pretty good stack in yesterday's 1a of the EPT called in the bb and we saw a K72 flop which he checked, I decided to check back and when the Q hit the turn my now Russian oppo bet 2bbs and having seen him act differently when he recently doubled up I called and he checked the A river so I took the free showdown and was good vs 10high.

          With 38mins to go till the break and me desperately needing a pee I took the option after it went utg open  MP 3b Btn cold 4 to fold my Sb and ran to the loo and was back just in time to sit down as the first card was dealt of the next hand so opening up 88 and having 13. Something bigs I initially thought happy days as imagine if I was 30 seconds later and it had been folded for me, alas another minute on I was wishing I had took longer under the hand dryer after I raise called off vs the SB who outdrew me with A9ss to leave me typing this.

          Note to self from the weekend - always dry your hands just that little bit longer than they need in future ;)


          I have still managed to abstain from having a bet which must be nearly 16 weeks now but I could be taking the biggest gamble of my life if I am considered for a venture that I have today put in an expression of interest for.

          I showed a couple of clips previously of the premises on the seafront in Southend right opposite the pier entrance and at the other end of the lift connecting the High Street and the seafront and the premises itself has been empty since 2004 when it was built due to some build problems and then for the past 4 years by the previous leaseholder who passed away 2 years ago whilst I was selling his house (they do say moving can be stressful) and I have been in contact with the council ever since as I was close to assigining the lease from the late vendor himself.

          Here is the premises and a link to an article about the site which appeared in the local newspaper a week or so ago
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXDC1hlR0c

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSpU1aaWVU

          http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr)

          Over the past 3 years I have formulated a plan for the premises and would be going into this project with open eyes but it would be the equivalent of being "All in" on a semi bluff as first of all I have to secure the lease and ensure that it's a local person the council want as opposed to some faceless chain and that it the basis of my expression of interest with me stating the social & economic benefits that we as local people employing local people will bring to the area as our model is based around local people and local suppliers wich to my knowledge are our council's buzzwords but we are likely to be competing against Costa or Starbucks or both.

          I was prepared to walk away from it when I saw the rent which is £45k per annum as I was negotiating on it less than 2 years ago for £15k per annum but then got excited again when I knew a big chain would be interested and my model was similar to what they do but with a couple of additions, it is however a very big investment as apart from the supplies being there ready to connect it is a shell inside and behind the wooden fascia there is nothing so the big glass frontage is most likely a £40k investment itself and dependant on build quality, time etc the total investment could be as much as £200k to get it up and running of which I am happy to risk half of from property etc etc and the upside is that on all the research I have done it would be feasable to expect to be able to turnover £500k possibly more if it really took off.

          First of all I have to become the "chosen one" and then I have a good few weeks to sweat getting the rest of the money whilst they sort out the lease etc with a view to opening in Spring 2015. Petra has been great and very supportive on it and I think as we have both invested a lot of time over the past couple of years on it we would be disappointed not to have put in an expression of interest even if we are not chosen, especially if we see in a years time it doing really well as our model and layout is very similar to what they offer.



          I get inspired by quite a few things and people these days and in the past week have...

          *Had coffee with Ed Gascoigne who is a "top bloke" whilst in London although I looked pretty scruffy compared to him in his pinstripe suit and pink tie (takes a real man obv)

          *Listened to a podcast that was recommended by Outrageous from a start up company who has also been a great help so far on this new project

          *Read a book called "The E Myth" by Michael E Gerber that if you have not read but have a small business should be on your Christmas list.

          In DIY (Man) Brags I have instead of trying to ladder in the UKIPT London been up a ladder doing the cutting in bit of the painting which is whilst time consuming, pretty rewarding as once it's finished you get to daub paint over the rest of it giving it a good finish and whilst I dont approve of the white walls (apparently in Leigh it's the IN thing) am pretty confident it will look good when finished this week.

          Here is my excellent cutting in which I did after 2 coats of the ceiling and having removed the fireplace I made from two railway sleepers which is to be replaced with another
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snlBDI9q7Q8



          You giving up the day job to potentially do this or do it on the side ?
          Come back to u after kids bathtime


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on October 13, 2014, 07:43:10 PM
          Good to see you practicing the DIY/decorating skills for your property renovations!
          Good luck with the Council :)up :)up
          Cheers bud, if the seafront venture comes off then the renovations has to be put back a couple of years to enable us to recoup the capital outlay.

          Have you bought anything else recently?

          Picked the keys up last Tues for the one we just exchanged/completed on. Have spent the past few days gutting it myself, to keep the costs down. Has to be finished within 5 weeks as carpets will be fitted then. Lettings agent will be invited around end of this week, so gardens/bedrooms need to be finished for photos and to get it let. Other property has just had tenant move out, so needs tidy up/refresh before new tenant moves in, in 3 weeks time.

          After that we need to do our own kitchen, as we put that extension off to get this property.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 14, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
          Getting knocked out of a tournament when you don't play that many is pretty sad and even as a recreational player I always go through the thought process of could I have done anything different as you always want that feeling of being 'in'!

          Going back Friday for day2 of the UKIPT london main event was no different even though I had considerably less chips than I have previously had for day 2's recently but I still felt hopeful of a spin more so when I found AA in the BB vs a button raise and decided I was just going to flat from 17bbs as I really wanted a double up so if my oppo outdrew me then fair play, so the 3KJss flop I hoped hit my Spanish oppo but he checked the flop and I bet 3bbs on the 5d turn and he called which gave hope of another bet getting called and on the 8h river I decided to bet all of my soldiers and after a short dwell he folded, I probably could have let him bluff but w/e.

          With some confidence back in the chip stack I min opened 33 in the co and our table chippy (Anatoly Filatov) who was a very smartly dressed Russian young man that amassed a pretty good stack in yesterday's 1a of the EPT called in the bb and we saw a K72 flop which he checked, I decided to check back and when the Q hit the turn my now Russian oppo bet 2bbs and having seen him act differently when he recently doubled up I called and he checked the A river so I took the free showdown and was good vs 10high.

          With 38mins to go till the break and me desperately needing a pee I took the option after it went utg open  MP 3b Btn cold 4 to fold my Sb and ran to the loo and was back just in time to sit down as the first card was dealt of the next hand so opening up 88 and having 13. Something bigs I initially thought happy days as imagine if I was 30 seconds later and it had been folded for me, alas another minute on I was wishing I had took longer under the hand dryer after I raise called off vs the SB who outdrew me with A9ss to leave me typing this.

          Note to self from the weekend - always dry your hands just that little bit longer than they need in future ;)


          I have still managed to abstain from having a bet which must be nearly 16 weeks now but I could be taking the biggest gamble of my life if I am considered for a venture that I have today put in an expression of interest for.

          I showed a couple of clips previously of the premises on the seafront in Southend right opposite the pier entrance and at the other end of the lift connecting the High Street and the seafront and the premises itself has been empty since 2004 when it was built due to some build problems and then for the past 4 years by the previous leaseholder who passed away 2 years ago whilst I was selling his house (they do say moving can be stressful) and I have been in contact with the council ever since as I was close to assigining the lease from the late vendor himself.

          Here is the premises and a link to an article about the site which appeared in the local newspaper a week or so ago
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugXDC1hlR0c

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSpU1aaWVU

          http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr (http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/11502818.High_street_chain_hopes_for_Southend_seafront/?ref=mr)

          Over the past 3 years I have formulated a plan for the premises and would be going into this project with open eyes but it would be the equivalent of being "All in" on a semi bluff as first of all I have to secure the lease and ensure that it's a local person the council want as opposed to some faceless chain and that it the basis of my expression of interest with me stating the social & economic benefits that we as local people employing local people will bring to the area as our model is based around local people and local suppliers wich to my knowledge are our council's buzzwords but we are likely to be competing against Costa or Starbucks or both.

          I was prepared to walk away from it when I saw the rent which is £45k per annum as I was negotiating on it less than 2 years ago for £15k per annum but then got excited again when I knew a big chain would be interested and my model was similar to what they do but with a couple of additions, it is however a very big investment as apart from the supplies being there ready to connect it is a shell inside and behind the wooden fascia there is nothing so the big glass frontage is most likely a £40k investment itself and dependant on build quality, time etc the total investment could be as much as £200k to get it up and running of which I am happy to risk half of from property etc etc and the upside is that on all the research I have done it would be feasable to expect to be able to turnover £500k possibly more if it really took off.

          First of all I have to become the "chosen one" and then I have a good few weeks to sweat getting the rest of the money whilst they sort out the lease etc with a view to opening in Spring 2015. Petra has been great and very supportive on it and I think as we have both invested a lot of time over the past couple of years on it we would be disappointed not to have put in an expression of interest even if we are not chosen, especially if we see in a years time it doing really well as our model and layout is very similar to what they offer.



          I get inspired by quite a few things and people these days and in the past week have...

          *Had coffee with Ed Gascoigne who is a "top bloke" whilst in London although I looked pretty scruffy compared to him in his pinstripe suit and pink tie (takes a real man obv)

          *Listened to a podcast that was recommended by Outrageous from a start up company who has also been a great help so far on this new project

          *Read a book called "The E Myth" by Michael E Gerber that if you have not read but have a small business should be on your Christmas list.

          In DIY (Man) Brags I have instead of trying to ladder in the UKIPT London been up a ladder doing the cutting in bit of the painting which is whilst time consuming, pretty rewarding as once it's finished you get to daub paint over the rest of it giving it a good finish and whilst I dont approve of the white walls (apparently in Leigh it's the IN thing) am pretty confident it will look good when finished this week.

          Here is my excellent cutting in which I did after 2 coats of the ceiling and having removed the fireplace I made from two railway sleepers which is to be replaced with another
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snlBDI9q7Q8



          You giving up the day job to potentially do this or do it on the side ?
          Sorry for the late reply bud.

          Well initially whilst the building work is being done I would remain in employment but once open I would look to take a year out definitely as think I would need to be hands on.

          It's pretty tough really as if successful it will be an amazing opportunity as part of our portfolio but it is a massive gamble as the initial outlay is big and the running costs per annum inc wages are likely to be £200k to £250k but the upside is massive as there is potential to do £650k+.

          Luckily with Petra's photography business and the leaflet business we could get by for a year or so even if there was no income (a touch unlikely).

          So we are now waiting for the council/agent to make a decision......


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on October 14, 2014, 05:59:25 PM
          Will have the stuff I promised with you this week mate - it's basically exactly what you need. (If I do say so myself!)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 14, 2014, 06:29:52 PM
          Will have the stuff I promised with you this week mate - it's basically exactly what you need. (If I do say so myself!)
          Cheers Eduardo!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on October 22, 2014, 02:26:04 AM
          Nice to see you last week at Luton Eso, you are looking well.

          Good luck in your new projects and hope they are successful x


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2014, 05:06:12 AM
          Nice to see you last week at Luton Eso, you are looking well.

          Good luck in your new projects and hope they are successful x
          Cheers Dreenie it was good to see you too!!

          I don't know if you saw but that guy you were flirting chatting ;) with won the main event and didn't get chance to tell you at the time but he is a pretty dece stake online cash player to my knowledge.

          Ps your red bull rant from a diff table was funny to observe.

          Are you still doing anything to get into the chef side of the restaurant business?



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on October 22, 2014, 06:00:26 AM
          Nice to see you last week at Luton Eso, you are looking well.

          Good luck in your new projects and hope they are successful x
          Cheers Dreenie it was good to see you too!!

          I don't know if you saw but that guy you were flirting chatting ;) with won the main event and didn't get chance to tell you at the time but he is a pretty dece stake online cash player to my knowledge.

          Ps your red bull rant from a diff table was funny to observe.

          Are you still doing anything to get into the chef side of the restaurant business?



          Lol! I honestly think I've fallen in love ... hope he wasn't bluffing when he said he didn't have a gf 😉

          I nearly fainted when they said £3 lol! In the end a guy to my left insisted on buying me one, felt a bit bad cos it wasn't that I was being tight I just felt principal wise it was very high...

          I haven't really tried to get into cooking much recently, I've been playing more poker, hoping to win the SM so I can buy something of my own haha

          Probably look to flat swap somewhere soon which is closer to the west end and try and find somewhere there, literally no use working in London when u live in Surrey.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 28, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
          Been a bit busy in real life to post much here so am going to do an update prior to flying up to Edinburgh tomorrow for the GPS as part of my staking package and as I dont care about +Ev or -Ev decisions I am going to just wing it and either win or lose, obv hopefully for the backers who are in at spot we will do some wins!

          After a few coats of white paint and 2 weeks from start to finish we finished the room and have moved back in there with just some new photos of the family to put up and it is currently the new fav room in the house.
          Here is the finished room without pic's and the fireplace to be put up.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBYOw1Psqjc


          Work has been manic and all 3 offices are firing at the moment with another record month coming to an end and I think although the London price rises seem to have stalled a little and normally what happens in London filters down our trainlines and hits us a few weeks or couple of months later it looks as if the buyers are going to keep looking our way as you get more bang for your buck and also are only 40 mins from the city on the train so we see many commuters and city people deciding to buy decent houses at circa £600k instead of 2 bed city appts at the same price.

          A few months ago I showed the £99 promotion thing on here where we were charging buyers to buy through us on certain properties and most people (Vinny) flamed me for my idea but it has now been 3 months and we have won sooooo many instructions from the scheme as vendors just love a deal. They have been knocking themselves over to get us out and talk to them about it which means we have been quite often the only agent there and if we tell them their property doesnt quite fit the scheme for whatever reason most of the time they would just market the trditional route as we have great marketing/reputation anyway so over the past 3 months we hae listed at phenomenal levels which in turn leads to increased sales.

          It cost us £12k to set up the promotion and advertise it and on the scheme itself we have earnt over £30k in fees so thats a win and it is impossible to quantify how many clients we sold who enquired about the scheme but just chose traditional marketing but it must be a similar amount and we have now come away fom the all singing all dancing version of the promotion partly as we are looking at our first quarter 2015 promotion and partly as SpicerHaart group went to the ASA about the first 2 adverts we ran in July (we didnt run them after this date) and they found in their favour which is fine as we never intended to run them again and have gladly taken the free publicity it has brought.
          Here were some links in the estate agency press
          http://www.propertyindustryeye.com/sale-tender-agent-rapped-adverts/ (http://www.propertyindustryeye.com/sale-tender-agent-rapped-adverts/)

          http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1499:poacher-turns-gamekeeper-spicerhaart-wins-asa-ruling&Itemid=583 (http://www.estateagenttoday.co.uk/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1499:poacher-turns-gamekeeper-spicerhaart-wins-asa-ruling&Itemid=583)

          Petra is now doing the photographs for our company as well so she is a busy beeand has bought HDR photogrpahy to us which basically shows the images as your eye would see them by taking 5 shots the same but two are under exposed and two over exposed so you get to see the outsidewithout it being bleached like many other agents shots.
          This is what it can do for our images..
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziGUK9ivicI

          She is also working on some kind of montage for her website so on sunday we went down to the seafront to shoot some images of the ids doing stuff and a few videos's that she will piece together and add in as something else she can create for clients who come to our house for shoots.
          Heres the kids and the second clip shows me videoing Petra shooting Max who knew he was being photo'd and was acting upon instruction.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLAQqVR_6Q

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvqJUBC29Q


          In other news our tenant is still in the house but he court date is early next week and our seafront business venture well the marketing agent were splashed about over the papers asking for  "expressions of interest" and we submitted ours about 10 days ago which was based along the lines of social/economic benefits to the area in terms of employing local people and sourcing our products locally which seem to be buzz words within the council.  We have spoken to them since and due to what has happened before with the building they are waiting for 3 weeks before deciding on who has the best use/idea to give the lease to which is what I expected but means we would have to get a wriggle on as we would need to get loads of stuff sorted and then aim to get it open by the spring to get a full season behind us so it will defintiely be all hands to the pump.

          If I dont get this project there is another building that I will show you next week that could actually be as good and is up for the same amount of money as this...

          Am flying tomorrow upto to Edinburgh so maybe see some faces there...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 28, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
          see you on friday.  Celtic picking me up from the station at 12noon Friday for the day 1.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 28, 2014, 06:26:13 PM
          see you on friday.  Celtic picking me up from the station at 12noon Friday for the day 1.
          Aye see you up there bud and look forward to the ruby!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 06, 2014, 05:26:13 PM
          Well Edinburgh was a washout and having arrived there on Weds afternoon I took Vinny and his family out for lunch and they had suitably starved themselves in readiness for me coming before I went back to the Genting and fired 2 bullets at the satelite which made 13 seats and having finished 18th with a questionable jam on the button which was defintely a bit spewy I felt obliged to hang around and try and buy a seat from one of the winners which I did and meant I had only spent a tenner trying to sat in.

          Arriving at my hotel at about 3am in the morning was fine until the night porter couldnt find me on the system and then having found me said I hadnt paid which was one of just many problems I had with this hotel and my booking through Main Event and after a few hours sleep it was into battle for 1a which after 2 levels was going swimmingly having quadrupled my ss from 25k to 100k (avg 27k) but then having peeled from the sb with 78cc vs a MP raise and a flat from Ludo we flopped 4610 with one club I decided to check raise as the OR had 60k at the start of the hand and Ludo 100k so we were all pretty deep and having turned a club I barrelled before bricking the river and ending up setting my oppo in for his last 40k and he didnt much feel like folding middle set on the flop and it was back to 40k we went which then Yoyo'd until the penultimate level of the day when I got it in with a club flush draw vs Robbie Bull and missed so needed to come back on Friday.

          Friday was a better day and having a good move to the feature table for the last level of the night I managed to find AA for the first time in 2 days and got 3 callers but flopped 25j and doubled up then knocked out a shortie before bagging 77k for day2.  Day 2 seat draw was pretty bad but at least I was in pos vs Michael Kane, Ludo and Fett and I managed to double my stack before our table broke and then having moved to the feature table again I had to sit tight whilst an agro table captain took charge around the bubble but this handcuffed me slightly imo when he opened again UTG and I was UTG1 with KK and in my head I felt if I 3b here I would look so strong plus there were a couple of shoving stacks in hj and co so decided to flat.

          The villain continued his lead on 832 with me just peeling again and on the 5s turn which bought a flush draw he bet 1/2 pot again which again I called, he bet 55k which was 1/2 pot on the river and I called with 60k back and was shown a nice get there with 1010 for a rivered set that ultimately cost us a cash and 3 hands later I get in my 55k with 1010 vs AA and flop 789 but brick off on 8 & 9 turn and river for no cash to show for a deepish run and after watching Pizzled and Sicillian spangle off a few hundo each on the magic wheel I decided I would rather spend the last few hours at the airport than pay for a hotel for a few hours so I venture in search of a place to get my noggin down.

          This was bed for the night
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Bedforthenight.jpg)
          and was probably more comfortable than this fella's one
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Somenotsolucky.jpg)
          He actually deserved the floor though as having bagged the other end of the sofa he disappeared for an hour and left his bag and rucksack unnatended so was peeved when he came back and not only had the police and security checked his bag before removing but a young couple were now sat in his spot.


          Since being back I have heard no more on the seafront premises but I went to see another premises this week which is 100 yards away and located at the bottom end of the high street right where the lift takes everyone down to the other premises.
          The property itself is called "The Royal Hotel" and for the same rental and rates price offered on the seafront I could have this place. (13 seconds you can see the lift that takes everyone to the seafront and th eother venue but also everyone coming from the train and back to the station from the seafront walk past this place)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2Ftbdj18Y

          The top 2 floors dont come within the rent which is fine but people just cannot make it work as a small pub and on the right hand side you can see some steps down to the cellar part which has been a nightclub for years although it is pretty grim now despite having a multitude of rooms
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg7BG5WOhY0

          The people who have been running this place for years have not got it right and I am looking at it in a completely different way but just need to find a use for the basement area (If it wasnt restricted headroom a lap dancing place would be incred here!!)

          this is the ground floor after the big entrance and there are two areas of about 20ft square just where the clip goes dark beofre a grand stairway takes you  to the first floor.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5Ma0QowwIA

          The first floor consists of this function room which has loads of great features and views over the estuary and pier and would make a great cheap wedding venue option as well as a meeting place for business clubs and the one that one of our staff go to weekly from 7am - 10am every Friday pays £10 per head for 4 of them to go and have a bcaon butty and coffee so really believe I can make this work if I dont get the first venue although I could be swayed to this being the number one option .

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fai7-BWt_dU

          This is the ornate coving in the function room
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/CorniceCoving.jpg)

          IMHO this building is about making floors ground and first work for you with a return on the basement club in some way shape or form and I am currently throwing around a few ideas with someone who is interested in investing in this project with me but didnt like the idea of the seafront location.


           


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2014, 06:34:19 PM
          Been a pretty manic last few days.....

          Maxwell has continued to go to mini football on Sundays and really enjoys it still although he hasnt massively improved thats no biggie and when he first started going I told about how they give a certificate or medal to the "player of the week" and that some kids had won it twice but Max albeit having been through my rose tinted glasses the best player some weeks had not won it.

          I wondered if they had a list and gave it out randomly as some of the kids who won it definitely didnt deserve to win it but I refused to ask and Max had got over the first few weeks where he cried when he didnt win it, although it didnt stop him saying he was going to try and win it on the way there or whilst standing outside.

          This week he finally was rewarded and absolutely beamed for the rest of the day but unfortunately it was one of the weeks where I was at work so only got to hear about him winning it as I walked through the door but he was an absolute diamond and so proud of himself and you could see how much it meant to him.  He goes to pre-school on Mondays, Tuesdays and Fridays and wanted to take his certificate to school to show "his friends" and on his return the teachers had let him have a few minutes telling the class how he had won it and what he did which I can only imagine being 3 1/2 was albeit a bit daunting a great experience for him at such a young age.

          Here he is
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Footballcert.jpg)

          And a few minutes later he was merrily having his photo taken so that Petra can produce the yearly "Kral" chrimbo card but he positively bounced all day which was lovely to see and it made me think that during my degenerative years I had some pretty amazing highs and some incredible lows but absolutely nothing beats seeing your own flesh and blood so happy!
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeN8fv5M7bg


          Petra came to see "The Royal" and she actually is the most excited I have seen her since our wedding day about one of my business ideas and totally bought into the idea and on Monday after she had seen the premises she came out wth a similar concept to one that Lil Dave had spoken to me about during the day and we are now getting into the nitty gritty bits of negotiating a price on the lease before hopefully pressing on fully but I will post more soon on this.

          I was googlng the premises and found some great old photos of the Royal which shows what an iconic building it is for the area...
          Then
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/theroyal5.jpg)

          Now
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Frontcorner.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/theroyal6.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/TheRoyal4.jpg)

          It's really exciting but nerve wracking at the same time as we would really need to make this work but with 3 business in 1 and the ideas we have were really confident that it will work plus the council are giving grants away for companies that are creating or safe guarding employment and will match what you put in if you have a premises/business idea that qualifies and this should so it wont just be our hard earned at risk.

          watch this space...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 12, 2014, 06:59:30 PM
          Pass on my congrats to Max. Good luck with the business too son.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kev B on November 12, 2014, 07:49:19 PM
          Well done Max, what a cracking pic.

          GL with the venture Rich. I had lunch there a few years ago whilst playing the GPS.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
          Well done Max, what a cracking pic.

          GL with the venture Rich. I had lunch there a few years ago whilst playing the GPS.
          Cheers Vinny & Kev

          Well it might be a bit soon for GPS southend next year for you to grab lunch with me there if all goes to plan but it wouldn't be far off...





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on November 12, 2014, 08:31:59 PM
          Eso, how many rooms has the hotel got? Ive not been following. I may have some suggestion of ideas we have done/looked into!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dubai on November 12, 2014, 08:32:12 PM
          http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/opening-a-strip-club.160104/


          Downstairs sorted. Little Dave also might a thing or two about that business sector


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
          Eso, how many rooms has the hotel got? Ive not been following. I may have some suggestion of ideas we have done/looked into!
          Hey Cal
          If you see my post above dated 6th November the clips show the space pretty accurately, I actually get the basement, ground and first floors as you look at the building with the top 2 floors which would have been the hotel rooms used by a language college but they don't have access via the front and it's not connected apart from it being above.

          Feel free to PM tho or just bump up my hits ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 12, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
          http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/opening-a-strip-club.160104/


          Downstairs sorted. Little Dave also might a thing or two about that business sector
          I posted this ^^^^^^ but got quite a number of pm's saying it won't go well if I'm running 2 other legitimate businesses in the premises. Even managed to get it by the missus ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on November 12, 2014, 09:12:47 PM
          http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/opening-a-strip-club.160104/


          Downstairs sorted. Little Dave also might a thing or two about that business sector
          I posted this ^^^^^^ but got quite a number of pm's saying it won't go well if I'm running 2 other legitimate businesses in the premises. Even managed to get it by the missus ;)

          My brothel idea might not work as well without the bedrooms ;)

          Haha only joking it was not a brothel but would need some bedrooms at least. Good luck!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 17, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
          Here I am on day 17 of Movember with a bit of grey, ginger and brown in it
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Moday17.jpg)

          This came to me in an email today which brought home how close to home Mens Health is to many of us...

          We need to take action, as the current state of men's health is unacceptable:
           
          •      Around the world, men die on average 6 years earlier than women - there's no biological reason
          •      Every hour one man dies from prostate cancer in the UK
          •      Testicular cancer is the most common cancer in men ages 25-49 years
          •      Tragically, 12 British men died from suicide today. Tomorrow, 12 more will die too. On average, 12 men die everyday from suicide in the UK
           
          The Movember Foundation is working around the clock and around the world to improve the lives of men and their families affected by prostate cancer, testicular cancer and mental health problems. They can't do this without our support, so please support my efforts to make a difference.
           
          There's a lot riding on my efforts this Movember and I'd really appreciate your support.

          Together, we can have an everlasting impact on the face of men's health.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 24, 2014, 04:33:53 PM
          Been absolutely up to my neck in it on the "Royal Hotel" venture and in the past 10 days we had our first offer knocked back which was expected as we basically offered them a 10 year lease deal with all the terms suited to us for example we asked for 1 year rent free followed by reduced rent for years 2 & 3 then by year 5 we were at 90% of what they have it up for now and then we wanted break clauses for us at years 3/5/7/10 and for the basis of the lease to be internal repairing against the full repairing lease they offered as with a Listed building we didnt want to be caught out.

          Promisingly though they didnt immediately knock it back and even when they did they asked us to meet them around the table to go through our plans for the 3 floors which we are happy to do so without giving away our main concept and have a further meeting on site tomorrow with a consultant and Dubai before making a further offer to them but I hope to tie up a deal in principle before the end of this week as the more market research I do on this it just seems we will do really well and this venue suits our concept down to the ground.

          The local council have also indicated that a grant of upto £100k would be available if we could complete the works by the end of March 2015 which would massively help out and mean that myself and my business partner get to keep a larger share of the business than if we were to go elsewhere for "members or shareholders".

          Pretty excited about this project the more detail I get into it especially as I am the one writing the business plan even though it could take up a lot of time in 2015 whilst trying to run the other businesses....


          Im into the final week of Movember and here is todays shot and I have the pass to try a beard in December so gonna see how that looks on my fizzog
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mo24.jpg)

          This year admittedly over a small sample of people I see day to day I have noticed a lack of people taking part in Movember but maybe thats just me?

          Amazingly it is now 20 weeks without me having had a bet of any type (except CCR at restaurants or the poker I have documented) and for something that has been such a big part of my life for 20+ years I cannot believe how my NEW life has started without it there as I still have the same access to funds etc etc but just choose not to have a punt every day and I have so much more time to focus on these other ventures which for me will make more long term than over 2.5 goals and in turn should make these two little beauties lives better.

          Heres Ivy a few days ago who is getting proficient on her Scooter now at 19 months old..
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJayYAD8AxE

          and heres Max showing his competitive side at Football where at the end of there warm up they do 2 races before they go onto drills and his is the voice saying he is ready but at 3 1/2 he is so competitive ( not sure if good?) and wants to win at everything as you will see, even though he loses time by looking at the other kid who can just about keep up with him despite his mane of hair...
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsrWMlbKK4


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 25, 2014, 05:38:46 PM
          Our Leigh on Sea office is so Balla that we even have people to put up the office Christmas trees...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Balla.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on November 25, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
          Long odds against that any of 'em behind the desk actually doing any work


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: horseplayer on November 25, 2014, 05:47:34 PM
          2,1,






          3

          (betting without tree assembler)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 25, 2014, 05:48:30 PM
          Long odds against that any of 'em behind the desk actually doing any work
          Haha they were actually on the phones and didnt know I was going to take the shot!

          Trust me I'm an estate agent ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 25, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
          2,1,






          3

          (betting without tree assembler)
          You might want to rescore John based on Sarah's office attire for Halloween?
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Sarah.jpeg)
          Danielle on the other hand...
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Danielle.jpeg)

          And before Vinny asks, they are not real!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 29, 2014, 02:26:57 PM
          Yesterday was the Leigh Lights where all the Leigh-ites come out in force with their families for the switching on of the Christmas lights and various parades with the whole of Leigh Broadway shutting down for traffic from 3pm.

          They make a real effort and all local businesses do grotto's (which must confuse the kids as there can be 10 santa's in a 1/2 mile stretch at any one point) or hand out balloons to the kids and alcohol to the parents but the funny thing is due to the fact they dont allow any cars to be parked on the side of the road or drive down the Broadway literally everyone walks in the road as if its a novelty that they cannot do at any other point during the year with hardly anyone walking on the pavement.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/leighlights1.jpg)

          We also had this turn up on the postbox outside our office which is from a company called The Craft Club and they ask people to take a selfie, share it via #theyarnbomb and there are a few dotted around the area.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Postbox.jpg)

          Last year we left it outside all night and surprisingly it lasted for 3 weeks before it went missing but this year we bring it in every night for safe keeping.

          We must have seen well over a hundred people already today taking photo's and for something so simple the smile on peoples/childrens faces obviously makes what must take a lot of time knitting it worthwhile.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 29, 2014, 05:08:37 PM
          Hi Danielle. ✋


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 06, 2014, 12:44:36 PM
          Hi Danielle. ✋
          She said Hello back ;)

          Finally getting somewhere with the hotel as we have now had a counter offer on the lease which is about £40k higher than our cumulative offer over a 5 year period so with a tweak further we will most likely agree this early next week as the only other interested party so far is Jamie Oliver and luckily one of my partners knows the owners direct so we have been able to use that connection to our advantage.

          If it is wrapped up then we have a 6-8 week legal process and during that time we will be able to gain access to get full buildings quotes etc and really get moving in readiness for key handover at then end of January with us hoping to get the place open by the end of spring/early summer.

          It's still a bit early to speak about our concept but I will if we get further this week.....

          Some pretty big shit kicked off in my normal estate agency work today between my boss and his business partner on the lettings side of the business which resulted in me handing back the keys to the Mini as did 4 other staff but I will tell all next week......


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on December 07, 2014, 12:25:09 AM
          Good Luck Rich.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 17, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
          Well it's been an interesting 10 days as a week last Saturday I arrived at work having been out for drinks with the team as a girl on the lettings department who was leaving and when pulling up at work the owner of lettings was outside with a henchman telling me they needed my car as it was a car owned by lettings and they had moved out.

          Basically Anthony the owner of sales bought out Gary 2 years ago but we still trade in the offices together and unfortunately this relationship has become further strained to the point where Gary has underhandedly sold the business to a company 100 yards away from ourselves and when this particualr company opened this new office 6 months ago they took the two members of deadwood in our sales staff who would have come under a lot of pressure with me in my new role over this past six months so they took the option to leave.

          The new company have not done very well in sales as they are known as a lettings company and to date have 20% of the business on sales we have despite spending well over £100k on their office refurb, but they took no time in getting this in the papers and over their social media and in their window which is pretty poor form being as they dont even own the image rights for our brand they have only bought out the lettings company so would imagine they will be getting a solicitors letter this week on that.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/lettings.jpg)

          Unfortunately we Anthony cannot open a lettings company for 5 years himself but somebody else might be able to.....


          Last Tuesday saw Petra and the kids due to fly to Slovakia for 7 days to see her family before Christmas and for the first time ever the flight was missed as we left Southend at 5am for an 8.10 flight from Luton but got caught up in the traffic on the M25 with the big lorry smash and despite getting to the M11 and zooming through Harlow, Hertford, Hatfield she missed the bag check in by 2 minutes and after transferring what she could fit into an extra rucksack she proceeded to miss the gate by 5 minutes and having left at 5 we got back home at 11.30am with Petra then flying on thursday instead.

          This meant Thursday was a long day for me as having dropped them at the airport and then gone home to pick up the dog to get him to kennels before an hours in the office it was upto Sheffield for a business/pleasure trip where I was playing the GPS main event but also checking out a restaurant that is similar to the concept for our next venture.

          I often believe as a rec player that starting table is so important and I had tables that for this event I reckon I was pretty unlucky to keep finding with my starting table on Thursday being very pro heavy and then on Friday it was as if once the other 2 recs had bust they kept shipping in pro after pro so the table started with a Russian guy who battles Trigg online, Jack Elwood, Richard Horton (tight solid reg) Rayfish, Mark Lane and then later during the day the seats were filled by Leo McClean, Trigg and Boz amongst others and at the end of day 1 I was put in a position having started the hand with 20bbs and opening AKss where I called the river with Ace high on 67992 and it meant I was either going to have 9bbs for day 2 if wrong, 12bbs if I fold and 18bbs if I am winning and really felt he would try and put me in a spot as played and decided that there was not a massive difference between 9 or 12 so called and lost to 44.

          This meant a day 2 spin was required and 40 minutes into day 2 I was then sat with 80bbs and in with a shot, but with the bubble looming I lost a flip vs Alex Spencer btn vs SB and then had to grind for a while getting the odd ship or reship through and like GPS Nottingham the dinner break came without the bubble bursting so myself Ben Vinson and Kev Allen went to eat at a little Mexican Cantina that Trigg had took us to the day before (great find just 5 mins walk from the Casino) and with 29 left/27 paid I had 12bbs when Kev shoved in MP and I found JJ and called off and he hit a Barry on the river to leave me with 4bbs and as they were counting the chips someone bust on another table so it was now bubble time and a quick walk showed that I had 4bbs, Alex and Matt Davenport had 8bbs each and then the next hand played out with Dom Mahoney opening to 12k at 6kbb I found AQ otb which I shipped and Dom hadnt realised I was so short and told me he was just nicking the blinds so I told him I would be devv'd if he folded as its not the spirit and honestly that I wouldnt mind if he bust me with a rag hand and he called showing 57ss  with me hitting an Ace in the window but a 5 behind but we held on brick turns and rivers with this being my face whilst stacking chips having survived the allin and the baying rail...
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/bubble.jpg)

          The next hand and Matt was bust out getting counterfeit on the turn to mean we were itm which was nice as this was the Movember Charity stake that I had sold for so it was nice to get some for Movember meaning that I had raised over a grand itt and as of yesterday was the 470th highest fundraiser in the UK out of men who took part this year which definitely gives a good feeling.

          Another Skyesque spin up was not to be though as at 4/8k blinds I shoved into the bb from sb with A8o and was snapped by Q5o for 8bbs and was flopped pretty dead on 55A and another min cash was booked.

          The trip was great and in my next post I will go a little more into our concept and the venue next door were really helpful with information and showing me around their venue so it was a very worthwhile few days.

          Tuesday saw Petra and the kids return and I love airport arrivals as just people watching is great seeing their faces as their friends, families, lovers come through those doors and it was great to see my family again after a few days and now we can look forward to Christmas together before what looks like it is going to be a really busy 2015......

          Someone showed me this little kid who is so cute and in real life is actually the same height as Pads.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVL-IylmTYA


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 17, 2014, 06:24:21 PM
          We are really getting to the nitty gritty on the "Royal Hotel" venture as we have a meeting to finalise the lease details on Friday and subject to agreement we will be in position to get the "Heads of Lease" drawn up and get the solicitors working on it and would hope to get the keys to the premises some time at the end of January or Early Feb.

          There are 4 key people in this business who are myself, Dubai, a guy called Paul who is the owner of the mortgage company we deal with and his friend Clive who is an accountant and we are then selling 30% of the business (apporx £150k) to investors under either the EIS scheme or SEIS scheme which enables investors who already have large tax liabilities to invest in fledgeling or fresh start companies and if say one person invests the whole £150k they get to write off half of the figure from their next tax bill.  So even if the investor doesnt quite believe the figures in your business plan but likes the concept it makes it really investable and if they are confident then it becomes a no brainer.

          The people we are working with are all future thinking people and we are not looking at one venue as in the plan we want a business that is upscaleable with a vision to open a second venue at the end of year one and a 3rd pretty soon after so once we are open and running we would be starting to look around for venue two/three etc.

          Only Dubai has any kind of experience in the field but we are surrounding ourselves with good information and people and all come from backgrounds that we know there will be a couple of key people in our venues with the rest pretty much working on Action/Coach principles from the start which in turn means that the GM and top person in the kitchen will report up to us but its figures and the odd service visit we will be looking at.

          Having looked around the area and the venue our plans are to create a traditional American style Smokehouse over the ground and first floors of the Royal similar to the likes of

          Smoke BBQ in Sheffield

          Reds True BBQ in Leeds/Headingly/Manchester and soon to be Nottingham

          In London there are loads popping up but in our area despite a very captive audience for this type of venue no one has opened one and being in an ideal location with Southend Council spending loads of money in terms of grants for companies who are creating jobs plus feedback from Market research we have already undertaken it seemed an ideal concept to get involved with.

          We are looking at names for the venue and whilst I dont expect to get the kind of response that Pads gets due to a lower readership please feel free to fire some names if you like for a Bar and Barbecue joint but remember that we dont really want to use the word Royal in it as we will be looking at other venues that wont be called The Royal....

          The numbers that some of these venues are seeing are phenomenal with last Thursday evening in Sheffield there being all 200 covers taken and 50 people waiting for tables and they see approximately 3000 covers per week which are big numbers, more so when we did figures we would make a healthy proft on of 850-900.

          If anyone has been to any of these kind of venues please feel free to post what you liked or disliked as in terms of demographic most people posting on Blonde fall into our target market (except area)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpljMO1v_4


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on December 17, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
          They seem like the in thing! We have just placed one in Culcheth ( I did the letting ) and it looks like it's going to be a real success with a big buzz about it already. Think they are called the pit smokehouse.

          What about "smokies"?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kmac84 on December 18, 2014, 12:51:02 AM
          Meat Meets Smoke

          Meatscene

          Smokey Joint (might be able to sell some large rizla's as a side)

          There are loads of these types of place springing up, not sure how long the phenomenon will last but good luck with it. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: luckyblind on December 18, 2014, 01:10:31 AM
          Best name with smoke in it:

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddQyx_Xx7hU

          Playing a gig I'm running Sunday if you want me to ask them if they'll play your opening night :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2014, 09:03:46 AM
          ^^^ Thanks guys, keep em coming!

          @Kmac - I was worried whether the concept was a bit faddy but when you then look at down here places like Simply Blues and TGI's its just a modern twist on these venues who have not moved with the times and the Sheffield owners are planning on opening 15 by 2020 with their next site opening in Glasgow early 2015.

          If we end up using any of the names I am sure some kind of food and drink renumeration will be offered ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on December 18, 2014, 10:18:06 AM
          Two of these opened last month in Nottingham, one good and one bad from what I've heard.
          Going to try the good one in the next couple of weeks and will report back.

          What is going to make yours different to the rest?
          How does the the EIS scheme work both in terms of tax relief for the investor and valuing the business?

          Obv don't have to respond if you feel it's sensation info!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: simonnatur on December 18, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
          I like some variant of Smokehouse Tavern, South Shore Smokehouse, Hog Pit Smokehouse, Bad To The Bone among the US ones I've googled.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on December 18, 2014, 11:54:29 AM
          Something simple like

          Smoked
          Ribbed
          Porked :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Longines on December 18, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
          Moo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2014, 02:47:53 PM
          Two of these opened last month in Nottingham, one good and one bad from what I've heard.
          Going to try the good one in the next couple of weeks and will report back.

          What is going to make yours different to the rest?
          How does the the EIS scheme work both in terms of tax relief for the investor and valuing the business?


          Obv don't have to respond if you feel it's sensation info!
          Well in terms of "Rest" in our area there actually isnt a bit of direct competition in the town with the closest being one restaurant that offers somewhere between a midscale restaurant and ala carte offering either a full rack or half rack of ribs and two versions of a big burger with the other chain efforts ie Frankie and Benny's not even coming close to what these true traditional smokehouses offer.  In terms of burger joints, Henry Burgers is 150 yds away but in a small venue and they dont offer Rib's, Briskets or pulled pork.

          The venue is pretty key to this operation in terms of being located at the bottom of the high street and where anyone who has come to Southend on the train (2 stations) having to walk past the premises either on the way to the seafront or on the way back so from spring to summer we will have a very captive audience (6 million visitors contributing £200 million) to aim at and the venue is directly opposite The Royals Shopping Centre and 50 yards from where the new G Casino has opened plus the council are regenerating the seafront hence the grants available.

          For a pretty big town there are not that many other venues this would work in as the size of venue is key to get the number of covers needed to make the figures sexy enough and we are at the other end of high street that Nando's are who are a touch under the pricepoint we are looking at and a completely different experience, plus you would be so surprised how poor locally businesses are at promoting themselves via Social Media etc and we as a group have databases of clients ready to be targetted who fit our demographic perfectly.

          If EdGas is reading I am sure he could explain the EIS stuff better or if you pm me your email address I will forward you what he initially sent me but my understanding is that we can invest as founders under the SEIS scheme and still get the tax benefits with other investors able to invest under EIS which is a slightly worse deal than SEIS but I think investors need to keep their ££ locked in with you for x amount of time or retrospectively lose the tax benefit gained.  Our plans are geared around opening up more venues due to a) the people behind it and b) the SEIS schemes and we already have pledges of pretty much the full investment required based on our early business plan and the fact that with the exception of Dubai all the people are connected in the business world and running their businesses in terms of development in a similar way.

          Please let me know what you thought when you visit the venues Bopkin.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 18, 2014, 03:14:51 PM
          Since finishing Movember I decided I would give DECEMBEARD a go which is also charity based (albeit I am not fundraising for this one and more raising awareness) with it benefitting Prostate Cancer so on the 30th November a trip to the Turkish barbers for a cut throat shave has been followed by 18 days of growth and apart from the huge amount of grey in there I kinda like it.

          Not sure how long it will stay....

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/beard1.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/beard2.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kmac84 on December 18, 2014, 03:20:53 PM
          Something simple like

          Smoked
          Ribbed
          Porked :)


          Winner.  Innuendo ftw.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on December 18, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
          Something simple like

          Smoked
          Ribbed
          Porked :)


          Winner.  Innuendo ftw.

          Pulled
          Ribbed
          Porked
          Smoked

          seems like the logical order :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2014, 12:36:21 PM
          Had a really good meeting with the owners of the Royal Hotel yesterday who happens to also be the owner of the Commercial Letting agents marketing the property and despite a new bidder called Guilianno Lotto who has opened restaurants of different varieties in and around London over the past few years offering a higher overall rent for the first five years the owners are currently preferring to deal with ourselves.

          This is partly down to the connections involved but also as the main owner of the hotel is interested in investing some money so it works twofold for him, we have agreed whilst they check out the covenant strength of the other party that we can have full access to really fine tune our build costs and get quotes done with a view to tying up the deal in the middle part of January. This all means that we need to have a pretty clear plan of how we want inside to look like which in itself poses difficulties as we cannot go too raw inside due to the listedness and outside of the building so again if anyone has any good internal ideas please post photo's of places you have seen or like that we can use on our mood boards.



          Having raised well over a grand for Movember I was surprised to receive a present from them in the post yesterday and as I opened the packaging it seemed to be a nice pen or something that would fit in a similar sized box and it was a slight disappointment to open it and find this
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Moprize2.jpg)

          Which is a soup spoon with a top lip protector so that I dont get soup caught up in the tache, still its a nice thought all the same!!



          Finally 4 full months after her tenancy expired and just as the court date was finalised we have managed to get possesion of this house again.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Treelawn-3.jpg)

          We were pretty lucky I suppose as even though she outstayed her welcome she continued to pay full rent and didnt leave any junk or smash anything up so we have had the builders in there for the past 7 days just doing a quick tosh up and painting it throughout  with a view to launching it in the second week of January to the market at approximately £325'000 and hope to get it sold fairly quickly so we can move on with the next project.  This house has been our best property investment so far (except our family home) as we paid £153'000 for it 5 years ago and only spent £8k on it to get it ready for rental then, (Rightmove will show a different purchase price) but sometimes you have to be creative to get financing ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on December 20, 2014, 01:08:04 PM
          You have had a touch there Rich getting it back undamaged, several of the tradesman I use have all been working on rental properties that have been trashed!!

          Having a 'mare getting another property at the right price to flip. Most of the agents in my area are corrupt as fk and will only sell to builders/developers they are mates with, even if you put higher bids in.

          Congrats on the spoon, need to get yourself a moustache coffee cup to go with it!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 20, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
          You have had a touch there Rich getting it back undamaged, several of the tradesman I use have all been working on rental properties that have been trashed!!

          Having a 'mare getting another property at the right price to flip. Most of the agents in my area are corrupt as fk and will only sell to builders/developers they are mates with, even if you put higher bids in.

          Congrats on the spoon, need to get yourself a moustache coffee cup to go with it!!

          Finding a property to flip is pretty hard going wherever you are based as agents definitely have goto people who will give a drink both ends as well as giving them the property back to sell or it stays in house with x person buying it however it only takes one deal to turn sour and an agents reputation can be torn apart in minutes.

          I think if you start to look outside of the box a bit there is still money to be made so if say Leigh on Sea is absolutely booming in price and you dont fancy punting at high prices in that market look closely as the next town even if it's not quite in the same league as you will find buyers who dont want to pay Leigh prices as they only have Westcliff money so if you have snuck a bargain in Westcliff and spent some dough on it you can eek out profits that way, or find ways of creating the extra space within that other people maybe didnt see as I know a chap who only buys x type of bungalows in x area as he knows he can change them from a 2 to a 3 bedroom really easily and literally does the same job over and over whenever a 2 bed comes available (even down to kitchens and bathrooms) with no other developers having cottoned on a couple of years on.

          Defo befriend the agents though and let them know the properties will always come back to them as sometimes they will give you something that is not as big a deal as others to test you out first.

          Good luck though....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Tractor on December 20, 2014, 01:40:25 PM
          Up In Smoke


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: h on December 20, 2014, 06:13:17 PM

          name it some thing obviously American

          pick a city / state name

          eg Memphis Smoke House  or Alabama , Tennessee


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2014, 05:12:29 PM
          So having had a smoking tenant with a dog (funny how they declare they dont smoke or have pets when they come to see it and sign their agreement) in the house for 5 years it has taken about 7 days for the guys to stick a lick of paint around all the walls and woodwork and cut the gardens back as well as hiding a bit of damp that due to the dated windows that we dont propose to change and this is the end result with it going available today at £325'000.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5981.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5959.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5963.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5954.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5953.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5978.jpg)

          We have purposefully not gone too mad on the finish and whoever buys this house will most likely extend where the garage currently is as well as knock through the dining room to kitchen and redo that also, and replace windows. So as there are only 2 houses in a 1/2 mile radius that are available today with them both being semi detached homesy we will hopefully have a captive audience in the new year....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on December 22, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
          Hi Rich, would you not prefer to extend this yourself and then sell?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
          Hi Rich, would you not prefer to extend this yourself and then sell?
          Hey Andy
          Hope all is good with you and the family mate.

          If it wasn't for the fact that since we have bought this place the airport opened which the flight path goes straight overhead and we would need to spend £15k on windows, kitchen and bathroom plus the extension cost to make it bigger downstairs (no gtee we can make it bigger upstairs) and the we would compete with this which is on the market with my firm currently 2 doors away
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46124848.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46124848.html)

          Plus by getting rid now we realise quite a chunk of equity that we plan to use for the restaurant next year and another property development so the equity of releasing the cash earlier is better to release now.

          Have a great Christmas and New Year bud.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 22, 2014, 08:07:04 PM
          ^^ oh and due to mine and my brothers strained relationship, this property is our last financial tie together and he wants his share out of it due to expecting his first baby in April 2015 and works he is doing on his own property.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on December 22, 2014, 08:41:58 PM
          Hi Rich, would you not prefer to extend this yourself and then sell?
          Hey Andy
          Hope all is good with you and the family mate.

          If it wasn't for the fact that since we have bought this place the airport opened which the flight path goes straight overhead and we would need to spend £15k on windows, kitchen and bathroom plus the extension cost to make it bigger downstairs (no gtee we can make it bigger upstairs) and the we would compete with this which is on the market with my firm currently 2 doors away
          http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46124848.html (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46124848.html)

          Plus by getting rid now we realise quite a chunk of equity that we plan to use for the restaurant next year and another property development so the equity of releasing the cash earlier is better to release now.

          Have a great Christmas and New Year bud.

          All good thanks mate hope you're all ok too. I bet the kids are all excited. Mine are grown up now but still excited.

          I see where you're coming from with the house and sometimes the effort and delay is not worth the %age gained.

          All the best mate and good luck for the new venture. hope to catch up with you soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 24, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
          Like Pads we also have two Christmas's and today we celebrate Slovak Christmas and all the traditions including their traditional meal of (actually tastes better than it reads).
          Fish soup made from the heads, tails and fins of the main course

          Fillet of Carp fish which is cooked coated in breadcrumbs and served with their potato salad

          Then trad Slovak cakes

          After the meal the kids get to open some presents but we obviously cannot expect them to believe that Father Christmas comes today and tomorrow so they think whilst we're eating today that Baby Jesus comes to all the good boys and girls.

          So Vesele Vianoce everyone and thanks for reading, posting etc in 2014

          Here's hoping we all have a happy, healthy and successful 2015!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jezza777 on December 24, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
          If the restaurant is on the seafront I like " smoke on the water" . There is a place called smoke shack just opened near me which sounds similar to what you are going to do , I will check it out in January and let you know what it's like.

          Merry Xmas


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on December 24, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
          Merry Christmas Eso! Here's hoping you finally get that vajazzle!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 24, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
          If the restaurant is on the seafront I like " smoke on the water" . There is a place called smoke shack just opened near me which sounds similar to what you are going to do , I will check it out in January and let you know what it's like.

          Merry Xmas
          Thanks Jezza that is actually my fav so far!
          I look forward to the trip report :)
          Have a great Christmas!

          @Vern same to bud and hope to see you soon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Tractor on December 27, 2014, 07:23:41 PM
          If the restaurant is on the seafront I like " smoke on the water" . There is a place called smoke shack just opened near me which sounds similar to what you are going to do , I will check it out in January and let you know what it's like.

          Merry Xmas
          Thanks Jezza that is actually my fav so far!
          I look forward to the trip report :)
          Have a great Christmas!

          @Vern same to bud and hope to see you soon.
          The only thing is if you opened up where there is no water, would it still work?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 27, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
          If the restaurant is on the seafront I like " smoke on the water" . There is a place called smoke shack just opened near me which sounds similar to what you are going to do , I will check it out in January and let you know what it's like.

          Merry Xmas
          Thanks Jezza that is actually my fav so far!
          I look forward to the trip report :)
          Have a great Christmas!

          @Vern same to bud and hope to see you soon.
          The only thing is if you opened up where there is no water, would it still work?

          Haha yh hadn't thought of that :(

          Cheers Tractor

          We actually had a company do a brainstorm and they gave us 250 names which they have done initial domain searches to make sure they are available and we have been asked to send them our top 15 which they then send to a database of 300 people around the country and they inturn feed back to us the top 3 names.

          If anyone is interested in receiving the list to choose 10-15 names please PM me ur email addy and I will forward the list to you.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 29, 2014, 03:54:24 PM
          So Christmas has come and gone and it was nice to spend a good few days with the family at home but finishing work on the 23rd there was still one thing left to do and it wasnt any shopping as the night of the 23rd is traditionally our works Christmas party so once we have handed the keys to all the  mad people wanting to move 2 days before Christmas we pack up and this year all met at the Cliffs's Pavillion Theatre for a meal followed by an 80's party night along with about 6 other companies.

          A couple of the girls in the office wanted to dress up so we went to a fancy dress shop and chose some outfits and off we went thinking that there would surely be some other tables who had made the effort, I mean who would go to an 80's event dressed in nice jeans,shirt, jacket etc or fancy little black number?

          Well as it turns out everyone bar me, Sarah and one of the other girls!

          I went as a combo of Boy George, An extra from a pirate movie, a Jewish diamond dealer extra from Snatch and was pretty devved when the first song after the Rod Stewart tribute was Karma Chameleon as I had drunk nowhere near enough to be first on the dance floor let alone being expected to dance to my own song but I think I just about carried it off!!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-75.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-76.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-77.jpg)

          I couldnt get too hammered as the 24th is Petra's Christmas day so needed to up and at em to help her out and the kids opened some presents after the meal with the rest being opened on our Christmas morning

          Here is Ivy the budding singer with her new piano..
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYxr2ISTfe0

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TW1cYQI1cU

          It's a time that we remember those not with us as well so we all spent some time at my Dad's resting place and said a few words which was nice a peaceful and I always feel very calm when I go there, more so when the kids are with us.

          Boxing Day was interesting this year as most years I would be punting in some way shape or form and for the first year in probably 20 there was no interest in the nags or football but I did watch a bit of sport although it isnt the same as when you have a few quid on it, I do wonder if I will ever be interested in watching sport the way I used to again...

          We were supposed to visit a few Smokehouse's up north whilst visiting some family yesterday and today but the weather in and around Sheffield meant it not worth the risk with the kids so it was Leighton Buzzard and back having seen the relly's and a chilled seafront walk instead.

          I will be putting together a small package of events for the first couple of months of 2015 and it should go on the staking board tonight but it will consist of
          DTD Deepstack
          UKIPT London
          Sky Mini to try and bink a £1k seat (3 online day 1's only)
          Sky Main 1 bullet
          GPS Westcliff

          These will be the only events I am likely to play in the first quarter as I expect to be very busy come the end of March so keep em peeled as there is likely only 20% max available due to some regular backers having res'd a piece already.

          Hope everyone has a great end to 2014 and that 2015 see's us all healthy and prosperous, we will be having some friends over and keeping up my late Grandma's tradition of letting the old year out the back door after midnight and opening the front door to let the new one in as the clock strikes midnight.

          Have a good one all!! 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on December 29, 2014, 08:37:04 PM
          Review of Rub Smokehouse, Nottingham
          http://www.rubsmokehouse.com/

          As promised Mr K here are my findings after a trip with 4 mates including Matt & Neil G....

          After years of watching this man
          (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BwxoRPCHdOo/Tg-VIXNAsrI/AAAAAAAAAGo/36vvK2fLBlA/s1600/adam+richman.jpg)

          tuck into this
          (http://theheritagecook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Brisket5.jpg)

          I was pretty excited to visit one of the two Smokehouses that have recently opened in Nottingham

          Venue 6./10
          Although the venue looked impressive when we walked in we soon realised that the seating was somewhat strange.
          The tables in the middle of the floor were undoubtedly meant to be in a junior school and the booths were made from discarded shipping pallets much to Mr Russell's discomfort.

          Staff 8/10
          Everyone was friendly and efficient, which unfortunately seems hard to find these days.

          Beers 8/10
          Choice of about 5 draft and 10 bottled craft lagers and ales from the USA

          Food 6/10
          As directed by the waiter we went for the hung, drawn and quartered sharing platter. In retrospect this was probably a mistake.
          The £65 platter for 4 came with 8 sides and was plentiful even between 5 of us.
          Tray one was covered in ribs, corndogs, brisket, chicken wings, sliders and pulled pork.
          Tray two was covered in chips, slaw and macaroni cheese as requested.

          The meat tray presentation wise just doesnt work, everything is running into each other and it just looked like a big greasy mess!

          None of it looked like anything I have seen on Man vs Food

          Most of it was average and the ribs were good but the brisket was just crap.
          It was okay for 5 lads before an afternoon on the beer but I wont be rushing back.

          The third smoke house is opening next month, Red, which I believe is a chain.
          Hopefully they will have taken some inspiration from MvF as I am pretty sure that is what people are looking for.






          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 29, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
          Review of Rub Smokehouse, Nottingham
          http://www.rubsmokehouse.com/

          As promised Mr K here are my findings after a trip with 4 mates including Matt & Neil G....

          After years of watching this man
          (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BwxoRPCHdOo/Tg-VIXNAsrI/AAAAAAAAAGo/36vvK2fLBlA/s1600/adam+richman.jpg)

          tuck into this
          (http://theheritagecook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Brisket5.jpg)

          I was pretty excited to visit one of the two Smokehouses that have recently opened in Nottingham

          Venue 6./10
          Although the venue looked impressive when we walked in we soon realised that the seating was somewhat strange.
          The tables in the middle of the floor were undoubtedly meant to be in a junior school and the booths were made from discarded shipping pallets much to Mr Russell's discomfort.

          Staff 8/10
          Everyone was friendly and efficient, which unfortunately seems hard to find these days.

          Beers 8/10
          Choice of about 5 draft and 10 bottled craft lagers and ales from the USA

          Food 6/10
          As directed by the waiter we went for the hung, drawn and quartered sharing platter. In retrospect this was probably a mistake.
          The £65 platter for 4 came with 8 sides and was plentiful even between 5 of us.
          Tray one was covered in ribs, corndogs, brisket, chicken wings, sliders and pulled pork.
          Tray two was covered in chips, slaw and macaroni cheese as requested.

          The meat tray presentation wise just doesnt work, everything is running into each other and it just looked like a big greasy mess!

          None of it looked like anything I have seen on Man vs Food

          Most of it was average and the ribs were good but the brisket was just crap.
          It was okay for 5 lads before an afternoon on the beer but I wont be rushing back.

          The third smoke house is opening next month, Red, which I believe is a chain.
          Hopefully they will have taken some inspiration from MvF as I am pretty sure that is what people are looking for.





          Incred, I was just watching him!

          Thanks Stu that is really helpful and if anyone else wants to expand their waistband and try some other smokehouses up and down the UK I would be most grateful, with a report like Bopkins that would be great.

          I will see how many invites to our opening nights I can wangle ;)

          Thanks again Stu and Red's is a brand I am aware of with their other restaurants in Manchester, Headingly and Leeds
          Here is the opening of the Leeds venue earlier this year
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpljMO1v_4

          I look forward to the TR....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on December 29, 2014, 11:32:56 PM
          Season's greetings to you and the family Rich, love those vids of the kids.

          Has anyone suggested smoke and mirrors as a name yet?

          It has outs..


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 31, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
          Season's greetings to you and the family Rich, love those vids of the kids.

          Has anyone suggested smoke and mirrors as a name yet?

          It has outs..
          Thanks Ralph and the same to you.

          We have a company looking at all the names on the 5th so I will add it to the list ;)

          I shall try and wangle an extra day off around the Sky event in Feb and if the weather looks promising maybe we can have a round somewhere?



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on December 31, 2014, 04:00:25 PM
          Just spotted Stu's report on that smoke house type place we went to and I have to say he was a bit generous with his 6/10 regarding the food.

          Other than the ribs (which were cooked really well with the meat falling off the bone) it was pretty damn awful!! They just threw everything on to one big plate and left you to sort yourselves out which for that type of food really doesn't work for me. It all just fell in to each other meaning you couldn't eat any one thing without tasting another.

          How are you supposed to share a whole chicken between 4 people without lots of cross contamination of knives/forks? Pretty disgusting if you ask me. I always thought sharing platters for 4 had at least 4 of each item? Whole chickens just don't work!!

          Stu also failed to mention that the food wasn't particularly warm. When it arrives I expect to struggle to eat it at first because it's that little bit too hot. The fries in particular were tepid at best when they arrived.

          Special mention must go to the macaroni cheese. I'm not exaggerating when I say you could literally turn the bowl upside down and none of the stuff would fall out!! It was dry as a bone!! One of the guys managed to tear a few bits off but nobody else went near it.

          The place itself looked decent but the seating was insanely uncomfortable. I understand that 'shabby chic' is all the rage but sticking 2 sanded pallets together at right angles then bunging 4 legs underneath does not make you want to remain there for long or indeed return in the future. The tables were also very small to say they sat 6 people. By the time we had a few drinks on the table plus our individual plates there was barely room for the 2 large platters of sharing food. This meant lots of leaning over each other to get to the food which can never be a good thing.

          Drinks options were good and beer tasted fine. That's not exactly difficult to get right although obviously a massive negative if they get it wrong.

          Staff were really good and I'd echo Stu's 8/10 for them. Very friendly and helpful which really offset the terrible food.

          Despite the negative points I have to say that for £20 each including a tip + 5 beers for 5 people you can't expect gourmet standards. We probably left half of it so for pure value it wasn't really bad at all. For 5 lads having a pre beer snack it was okay and the fact it was so awful actually provided us with some decent entertainment.

          There's definitely a market there for something good and surely it can't be that difficult to cook and present this stuff properly? I won't be returning to this place but if another smoke house opens soon I'll give it a go to see if they manage to get it any better.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on December 31, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
          Having read this back to myself I've realised that what was missing from this sharing platter was some serving cutlery.

          Having some cutlery that was purely intended to come in to contact with food rather that 1 of 5 mouths would have been a very welcome addition to this eating experience.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on December 31, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
          Having read this back to myself I've realised that what was missing from this sharing platter was some serving cutlery.

          Having some cutlery that was purely intended to come in to contact with food rather that 1 of 5 mouths would have been a very welcome addition to this eating experience.


          Not sure why but felt this was appropriate...

          (http://emmascrivener.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ocd.jpeg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on December 31, 2014, 06:17:20 PM
          Thanks again Matt and Stu!

          Let me know how you get on when Red's opens as they have 4 now so seem to be doing something right.

          Have a good night all whatever you get upto, just a quiet one here in SS9 with us just having got back from Max's first visit to the cinema to see Paddington which was really good and then got some friends coming over for dinner.

          An early Happy New Year to everyone.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: sonour on January 01, 2015, 03:12:40 AM
          Hi Rich,

          Did Max enjoy Paddington ? We were thinking of taking the girls to see it but weren't sure if they were old enough to enjoy it.
          We're taking them to see the singalong version of Frozen on Friday so I'll see if I can get a video of Pete singing ' Do you want to build a snowman ' :)

          Happy New Year !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
          Hi Rich,

          Did Max enjoy Paddington ? We were thinking of taking the girls to see it but weren't sure if they were old enough to enjoy it.
          We're taking them to see the singalong version of Frozen on Friday so I'll see if I can get a video of Pete singing ' Do you want to build a snowman ' :)

          Happy New Year !
          Hi Lisa
          Hope you, Pete and the girls had a great Christmas!
          Yes he loved it and didn't want to move once so can definitely recommend it and there were only two mildly scary 2second moments (for Max not me obv) but a reassuring squeeze of my hand made it better of his hand and he was ok.

          Please post the video here of Pete ;)

          Hope you all have a healthy and prosperous 2015


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 08, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
          Well done for getting on loose women, to promote the new restaurant.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
          Well done for getting on loose women, to promote the new restaurant.
          You are such a live fish!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
          A few days into 2015 I now finally have a bit of time to top and tail 2014 and also write out my hopes for 2015.

          I have broken last year into a few areas and think that 2014 was a pretty big year for me as I probably grew up a bit and the biggest change in me was from July when I started my hypnotherapy which resulted in after the second session a period where I have not placed a bet, other than prop bets for dinner or my tournament entries (one of which is probably neutral ev and the other -   ;)  ).

          So 2014 consisted of

          Personal - After 20 years of being a punter I managed to stop sports/horse betting as a result of 9 hypnotherapy sessions that meant I was in day to day control of what I wanted to do with the pound in my pocket and it wasnt even a downswing or knocking a chunk in that made me want to rid myself of the leak, with it coming down to the fact I have too much going on in the back end of 2014/2015 plus a realisation that I am never going to bet in units/volume enough to change my lifestyle in a positive way so can devote the time to other areas of my life that will be more rewarding in many ways.

          Business - We opened up two small business in 2014, one being the shop in Slovakia which coming up to its first year soon and a set of initial costs included will have turned a profit of £6k for about 3 hours per week in our time devoted to it and it keeps her mum and her mums friend in employment so this should make 10-15k next year.
          The leaflet business has made £8k from a standing start and if I am honest I have not done a jot with it as once it was up and running I was moving onto my next venture so I have to give myself a fail here even though it has made money in escence for me just picking up a few boxes of leaflets and dropping them to the droppers to drop.  I do plan to work a bit harder on this over the coming weeks once we have the next venture wrapped up and the work in the background begins meaning I have a few hours more.

          I started work on the 2015 project which is the most exciting venture and one that will be documented more this year....

          Work - Having more time due to not punting or studying form meant I had more time in normal work which was good as my role was upgraded to looking after the profitability and staff management of the 3 offices on the estate agents side of which for the 3rd consecutive year our turnover increased with us turning over £1.13 million in income which is a 15% uplift from 2013 and sets the stall out for 2015 as we have set the guys a target of £1.5 million for this year.

          Family - Due to the changes in my punting I think I became a better Dad all round and really enjoyed the joys that my family as a whole bring and I think I am pretty blessed with the life that they enable me to lead and the flexibility they give me and for that I am very thankful/grateful.

          Poker - Coupled with being in a good place mentally I think I had my best year in poker (even if there were not any particularly big scores) with imo the consistency in the few events I play improving.  I played 21 tournaments in total across the year ranging from £100 events to £1000 with entries totalling £9360 (which is the total entries including any satelites but excluding the monetry amount if I had satt'ed in) and with one the GPS Sheffield Main event missing from my herbert and my Heads up deal with Pretty Boy Alex Martin (£1k more) not showing I cashed 8 times for £14785 which as a recreational punter on a beano I would take every year.

          If I keep putting myself in these spots in 2015 I hope to have a decent score somewhere along the line as had fairly deep runs in a few decent comps but need to rid myself of my current min cash tag with another flag from the only event played so far this year last weekend.

          I will come onto 2015 later on....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2015, 04:01:21 PM
          2015...

          1) First and foremost this year the biggest goal I have is to be the best Husband and Dad that I can be to Petra and the kids as I am a pretty lucky guy to have them so they are the number one priority and everything that I do or achieve is ofr them or to improve our lives as a family unit.

          2) I am not going to say I am going to lose x amount of weight or any of that malarkey but I do intend to try and shape up this year as I am concious that this is the time of life that my Dad had his first heart attack and as we have Heart disease in the family I really need to focus on this again so will be joining a cheap gym at the end of my road and am determined to put in 3 x sessions a week in the evenings and may even join the fatties thread for motivation unless anyone fancies some kind of prop...

          3) On top of everything else this year I plan to buy one property as an investment (renter for the kids) as with hopefully doing the restaurant venture it will be tough to secure deposit to buy and do a flip or two this year so I am looking at a property this week that with a bit of jiggery pokery I may be able to secure in a mutually convenient way!

          4) I really hope we get the restaurant venture off the ground in the first quarter and there has been some good movement this week and hopefully next week we can have the premises locked up and really crack on with the planning/design side and I will post further on this as we go.

          5) I would love to put some kind of poker goal in here but it's really hard to as saying I want to final a £500+ event in 2015 is imo not a quantifiable goal for me, therefore I will just hope to have enjoyed the game as much as I did in 2014, continue to make good decisions in game and hope to at the bare minimum cash for a bit more than my entries are this year in the 15-20 tournaments I am likely to play.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2015, 04:15:50 PM
          Met up with Dubai on Weds as part of some research for the project and we went to Henry Burger in Southend which was actually pretty good and pretty pricey which is good as having had a burger, fries and side with one beer each after a tip I had lost the flip for a bullseye!

          Here was the food
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-83.jpg)

          But having finished his food this happened

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-82.jpg)

          Which as much as I <3 Dubai reminded me of this


          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHuQiUP-kyQ

          I'm pretty sure Vinny would be disappointed at his behaviour!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on January 09, 2015, 04:41:21 PM
          2015...


          3) On top of everything else this year I plan to buy one property as an investment (renter for the kids) as with hopefully doing the restaurant venture it will be tough to secure deposit to buy and do a flip or two this year so I am looking at a property this week that with a bit of jiggery pokery I may be able to secure in a mutually convenient way!


          Sounds just like an estate agent :dontask: ;D

          Personally finding deposit requests same for flipping or renting. Just commits less money with renting as do it right and you can have tenants lined up for day work is done. Hope all goes well with it




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 09, 2015, 04:43:21 PM
          I wouldn't want to be stabbed in the back of the hand for coleslaw, that's for sure.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on January 09, 2015, 05:30:41 PM
          I hope your fries aren't going to be that colour?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
          I hope your fries aren't going to be that colour?
          Twice cooked sweet potato fries that were actually pretty good.

          Good to see you last weekend mate and I'm loving the goatee that you were rocking!


          For those that didnt see me last weekend I completed Decembeard and actually quite liked being lazy and not having to shave the warmth when walking on the seafront or walking the dog so decided to keep it for a bit and here we are just over a month in

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-80.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-81.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on January 09, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
          I was hoping that was the explanation :)

          Yeah good to see you too mate and I'm trying to resist the pressure from the wife to shave.

          Glad you're getting keeping up the non-punting. Keep up the good work mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: leethefish on January 09, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
          Good luck with this year Rich
          Well done on the giving up the punting !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on January 09, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
          Good luck with this year Rich
          Well done on the giving up the punting !

          +1 to this. Please join the fatties thread! How much do you weigh? You will be the lightst by 7 stone I reckon. Def good for your ego!!!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: dreenie on January 12, 2015, 05:14:15 AM
          Trying to send u some info on my phone but can't, will have to do it tomorrow on the computer... There is one place I know of that does ribs, steaks & chicken sweet potato fries etc near me... I've been twice it's good but service is pretty piss poor.

          http://cleaverrestaurants.co.uk/menu.php

          Also in Guildford there is a really nice burger place. It's literally the nicest burger I've had and hugely popular. Everyone can see them make the food, it's all fresh etc and price wise it's pretty decent for the quality.  They give u a unlimited amount of soft drink so it's more appealing to the lower class I guess as they have those machines in store and obv they don't make their money on alcohol and such like as they don't sell any. The burgers are awesome tho.

          http://m.fiveguys.com/

          the latter is more a fast food establishment, it's pretty funky tho and the staff are more attentive than the first one which is quite strange.

          P.s any jobs about ? 😉


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on January 19, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
          I would be greatful if you could give me your thoughts on the brochure on this page!

          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64792.0


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2015, 11:03:06 PM
          Good luck with this year Rich
          Well done on the giving up the punting !

          +1 to this. Please join the fatties thread! How much do you weigh? You will be the lightst by 7 stone I reckon. Def good for your ego!!!!!
          Cheers chaps

          I probably weigh 83 Kilo's (just over 13.07 stone which is about a stone too much for me although I dont really measure myself in weight it's more about how I look/feel in clothes that matters more as I am naturally quite stocky/muscley in build.

          Look out for me in there over the next few weeks.....



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2015, 11:03:30 PM
          I would be greatful if you could give me your thoughts on the brochure on this page!

          http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=64792.0

          Done mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2015, 11:05:33 PM
          Trying to send u some info on my phone but can't, will have to do it tomorrow on the computer... There is one place I know of that does ribs, steaks & chicken sweet potato fries etc near me... I've been twice it's good but service is pretty piss poor.

          http://cleaverrestaurants.co.uk/menu.php

          Also in Guildford there is a really nice burger place. It's literally the nicest burger I've had and hugely popular. Everyone can see them make the food, it's all fresh etc and price wise it's pretty decent for the quality.  They give u a unlimited amount of soft drink so it's more appealing to the lower class I guess as they have those machines in store and obv they don't make their money on alcohol and such like as they don't sell any. The burgers are awesome tho.

          http://m.fiveguys.com/

          the latter is more a fast food establishment, it's pretty funky tho and the staff are more attentive than the first one which is quite strange.

          P.s any jobs about ? 😉
          Cheers Dreenie

          When we are interviewing I will drop you a line but getting to Southend is probs not what you fancy doing every day?

          What are you up to at the moment yourself?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 19, 2015, 11:30:20 PM
          Over the past week we have met 3 designers at the venue with a view to giving one of them the business as although we know how we would like the venue to look getting from A to B seems a million miles away but it also gave us chance to see from others perspective what they thought of the concept/venue and also to give us a ball park figure on what they thought we will spend to get the doors open.

          One designer is known to us through the business network institute with the other two being picked as they have recently won big design awards and all thought we could get to doors open within the £200-£300k budget that is there but when it came to their cost they ranged from £20k - £65k for roughly the same time and input so we are currently seeing who wants the business the most but judging them on what they bring to the party as one looked like he could bring the venue to life, one has experience in the same concept and the other believed they could take it on as a "brand" which is one of the things important to the investors who want to roll this out elsewhere if things go well.

          This week sees us in a meeting Weds to finally nail the lease and should see an offer agreed on the premises with the vendors/landlords now waiting for us as they want us to have the premises and the council working with us to bring this iconic building back to life.  If this happens it will see a very busy 4-6 weeks as the initial design/name/branding/planning work happens with a view to doing the soft launches to friends, family and colleagues for the middle of May so that we benefit from a full season.


          In home life the kids have Chicken Pox (planned) which has meant everyone at home has been a bit miserable but I suppose it will be all good in the end!

          This week sees me play UKIPT London which is the first time I have played any cards since the Jan deepstack so I am looking forward to the game and hopefully get another decent run....


          I have been watching loads of this recently http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/tv-shows/restaurant-stakeout.html (http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/tv-shows/restaurant-stakeout.html)  and although I am sure it is made for TV and a touch American a lot of our core concepts in our businesses (the investors) are things that are important to the host which bodes well hopefully.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 24, 2015, 10:23:24 AM
          Not sure if anyone caught this but a phase of flats that are located on the Olympic Park were released by Taylor Wimpey homes yesterday with people having q'd for upto 48 hours in the cold to be first in line to reserve one of them.

          There were 36 released in total and you left a £3500 deposit and the cheapest 1 beds went for £330'000 with the highest price 2 beds at £550'000 and they reckon that as they release more phases the prices will only go up!!!!

          http://www.londonlive.co.uk/news/2015-01-23/people-queue-for-two-days-to-buy-london-s-housing (http://www.londonlive.co.uk/news/2015-01-23/people-queue-for-two-days-to-buy-london-s-housing)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 01, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
          Well the past couple of weeks has flown by as all areas of life have been pretty manic to be honest!

          The kids are now coming out of the 2 weeks of Chicken Pox and they coped really well but just as they were coming out the other side Petra caught some viral infection and lost her voice completely for 3-4 days (insert own comment) but they are all ok now which is good.

          UKIPT London was a bit of a blow out and as per my staking thread I never got out of the blocks on a table of young guys except me and two older guys one of whom it was his first time live and he asked me a few questions on the first break which I think settled his nerves as they were mainly rules based Q's that he was unsure of and one had found himself unsure of what to do but I think he enjoyed his experience.  I just found myself with second best hands on the river early on and in 2 spots where I got rivered having made seemingly ok call downs on run outs to leave me short when our table broke and then having moved to Claypole's table I managed to get my 18bb's in from the BB with AKo after Shaun had opened and got flatted in LP and Shaun got out fo the way quickly folding 10J but my oppo called with 10Jss and we lost the flip when the flop came JQ6 and faded the 9 outs twice on the turn and river to exit :(

          In real life work we still offer our "Sale by Tender" as a string to our listers bow although we have come away from any massive advertising of it and are about to launch our new promotion for the first 5 months of the year designed to get another chunk of listings with the chance of a massive bink for some lucky vendor.

          In each of the three towns ours offices are located in we are 1st, 2nd or 3rd in terms of overall market share so would always get a chance of the instruction when we are through the door but then it comes down to if the vendor likes us the most, or likes our marketing, sometimes it's fee orientated but clients will pay a touch more if they actually believe that our Valuer, Team, Office, Company are the ones who will get them the best price and offer the best service so for all the vendors who may have liked the other agent/s a touch more we are going to give them a chance to win a Brand New Mini One in this promo...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mini%20promo.jpg)

          Basicaly all anyone has to do is give us their property to sell for a period of 14 weeks sole agency and they receive one ticket into a prize draw which will be closed on the 1st June and drawn on the 30th June with the lucky winner getting the car which will be available to be seen and touched at a local BMW Franchise that we are in a joint venture with who are branding it up for us and putting it on their raised forecourt with us branding up the 2 minis on our fleet currently.

          Even if they are not sold by the time of the draw they can still win the car which after a deal for us of giving us the car at cost means each office only needs an uplift in 5 instructions per month to have made the promo work and gives anyone who was thinking of selling a 250/1 poke of winning a new car.




          We are still up to our necks in the restaurant venture and the waistline has taken a hammering eating at different venues to see what others offer in different areas with the latest one being a fairly small family run place where we were served this.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/ChilliBurger.jpg)
          Chilli Burger

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/ChilliCheeseChips.jpg)
          Chilli Cheese chips

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Platterfortwo.jpg)
          Combo Platter with Ribs, Baby Back Ribs, Pulled Pork, Chilli and Chicken Thighs plus sides of Chips, Cowboy beans, Slaw and cornbread muffins

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Platter2.jpg)

          It wasnt bad but not really rememberable either but wherever we go it is easy to find areas that you feel you could massively improve what they do whether it be staff, venue, menu etc and I suppose it is slightly easier to look at when you are not a restauranter or chef but just good business people.

          We had a final meeting this week with the landlords of our proposed venue and have now agreed terms with us getting 4 months rent free followed by a 5 year plan that is at a level we wanted and fought for and the landlord who also is on the council is currently helping us to grab some last minute funding from the council where as we are creating between 20-30 jobs locally we qualify for a grant of upto £50k if we can spend £150k before the end of Feb which seems a chunk but when you add in build costs, designers, kitchen and bar fit outs you would be amazed where it goes.

          Before we can sign terms though we are just agreeing %'5 with our external investors where there are 4 initial investors (Myself and Dubai inc) plus two other really well connected business people with money to invest who want a piece of the action going forward and under what I spoe about before  with the tax benefits it becomes attractive for them.

          Basically for £100k they will get 20% of the business with us gifting them the SEIS (Seed Investment Tax Benfit) of 50% on their first £75k each so £37.5k back straight away in personal tax benefit and then 30% on the rest of their investment meaning that for putting up £100k of investment they get 20% for £55k so as long as their personal tax is £45k they get that back in a rebate and then next year if we are succesful and open up a second venue, with the way we are structuring the business they can invest another £100k and get the same benefit back (it can even be split around his family as long as he gives them the ££ to invest if his/her personal tax is not at that level)

          This last few months has really opened up my eyes in this investment world as it seems incredible that you can invest in a fresh start business or one trading less than two years and effectively get back 50% of your outlay striaght away and fingers crossed that in the next 7 dyas we have all agreed the equity shares as in an ideal world we want to soft launch this venue in the 3rd week of May so that would give us 15/16 weeks last Friday to the launch date..... 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on February 01, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
          Great to see you have got to grips with SEIS and EIS and making it work for you, Rich!!

          Vbol with it all and great to hear updates :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 01, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
          Great to see you have got to grips with SEIS and EIS and making it work for you, Rich!!

          Vbol with it all and great to hear updates :)
          Cheers Ed, I owe you a decent meal and a few beers if we get this through as although I'm sure the accountant (one of the initial4) had heard of SEIS/EIS it enabled me to bring it to the fore with the other 2 before he got involved.

          Thx again bud!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CatfordFISH on February 02, 2015, 06:29:17 AM
          Defo one of the best diarys on blonde at the mo!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 02, 2015, 09:27:53 AM
          Defo one of the best diarys on blonde at the mo!
          Thanks very much, it's always hard thinking if people are actually interested in what you post and I don't lead the colourful lives that Alex and Cos do or have the life experience of ( Tikay and Red )  ;) so try to just be me as I have from the start.

          Have we met irl? Do you play poker? If so whereabouts as I guess from your name you are from London?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on February 05, 2015, 12:20:35 AM
          Enjoying the diary.

          Sounds like a great promo you are running, hope it results in decent uplift in business.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on February 05, 2015, 12:45:09 AM
          Your diary is awesome.  I wish you would post more.  Straight from the start i could relate to it.  We are the same age, same sick degens in the late 90s trying to get up the corporate ladder but loving the dirty side of gambling and getting totally balls deep into punting/massively in debt in games we can't beat when we were both clueless just for the sheer buzz of it because the corporate world at 25 was so fucking boring to us both.  One question.  Why did you think one day 'fuck me southend needs a smokehouse and i am going to set it up with a serious lump of my own cash?'  You are an estate agent.  Why didn't you think 'You know what i fancy setting up my own agency'?  No rubs intended just a serious question.  Pretty sure you will be a winner at whatever you turn your hand to business wise but i am just really interested why you want to get into this business.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on February 05, 2015, 07:24:17 AM
          Your diary is awesome.  I wish you would post more.  Straight from the start i could relate to it.  We are the same age, same sick degens in the late 90s trying to get up the corporate ladder but loving the dirty side of gambling and getting totally balls deep into punting/massively in debt in games we can't beat when we were both clueless just for the sheer buzz of it because the corporate world at 25 was so fucking boring to us both.  One question.  Why did you think one day 'fuck me southend needs a smokehouse and i am going to set it up with a serious lump of my own cash?'  You are an estate agent.  Why didn't you think 'You know what i fancy setting up my own agency'?  No rubs intended just a serious question.  Pretty sure you will be a winner at whatever you turn your hand to business wise but i am just really interested why you want to get into this business.

          Cojones.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
          Enjoying the diary.

          Sounds like a great promo you are running, hope it results in decent uplift in business.
          Thx mate!

          @ Arboy
          TYVM bud, I would post more but it's a time thing.  We would definitely have been degening around the same time and not a long way from each other so it's mad that our paths didnt cross until 2010ish but unfortunately for me I think I have pretty much under achieved in all I have done since I was about 25 due to my degen side and only since early 30's have I actually applied myself to real life.

          Dont get me wrong I wouldnt change anything I have done in the past as it has got me to where I am today but I often wonder what would have happened if I applied myself a bit more eg I flunked most of school and only came out with 2 GCSE's (at C or above in our day) and failed maths and only became good with figures through punting and I am very relaistic that all that I have now has come from the fact I lost my father nearly 6 years ago which gave me a second sixteenth chance and I would give it all up today and go back into rented if it meant he could be here and see the kids as he would have been a great Grandad.

          In answer to the question about the Smokehouse, I have as part of my underachievement written and not started about 3-5 business plans for businesses that within 2 years people had done the same thing and smashed it and 2 years ago I was looking at this place on the seafront in Southend
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Seafront.jpg)

          I could have bought the lease for a few grand and planned to make it the only Costa style coffee house on that part of the seafront selling great quality coffee (£2.40 a cup), patisserie's and ice cream in the summer and was looking at it as part of a "Wealth Building" programme I want to do for 10 years with loads of passive incomes coming in and then see where I am at at 50 years old.  I had on speerate occasions Dubai, Lil Dave and Guy (the poster formally known as Outrageous) come to see it for various reasons but for whatever reason I didnt secure the premises and despite an offer of £45k per annum rent on the table since August last year the council have still not accepted mine or anyone elses offer and then a business colleague of mine said had I seen "The Royal Hotel" was up for rent as the same place that is in the picture where the red sign is on the photo above at the top of the cliff.

          Having looked at the 6000sq feet I really didnt know what could be done with it as it needed 3 seperate business on the 3 floors or one really good one over 2 floors with some potential for the basement later, the afternoon after I showed Petra round it she went away and thought about it and that afternoon I spoke with Lil Dave who said had I seen this group http://truebarbecue.com/ (http://truebarbecue.com/) and that they were bombed out so I did some research and went home with Petra telling me before I did that she had an idea and what about a modern twist on TGI Friday's or Simply Blues (south east chain) and when I showed her Reds she was like yeah.

          So for a couple of months we have been doing various bits of research and the numbers of some places are scary good and here we are....

          In escence it will be the biggest punt I have had but I am a big believer in the people who are investing and our ethos and whilst we may be thinking big from day 1 in terms of expansion and further sites in the next 18 months all the people investing wouldnt be interested in a small return.

          Will post more on this later.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2015, 10:46:43 AM
          In less exciting news this is currently the beard which makes me look older and slightly like Saul (in before he is older with more hair) from Homeland :(

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Saul%20Berenson.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Eso.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 05, 2015, 11:49:43 AM
          You've just inspired me to go and shave my 4 week beard off. Thank you.

          Am I seeing you at the weekend? What's your plans?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
          You've just inspired me to go and shave my 4 week beard off. Thank you.

          Am I seeing you at the weekend? What's your plans?
          Haha 4 weeks is amateur in my opinion, this beauty is untouched (Amanda excepted obv) since the 1st December!


          Hmmm binking a deepstack seat may mean that unless you are around Sat night and I have bust early it could prove difficult.

          Plans for Saturday?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/IMG_5981.jpg)

          4 Weeks, 5 offers and 24 viewings later and after a tweak in price to a guide price of £300,000 - £325,000 instead of the fixed £325,000 price we have in the last 48 hours accepted an offer of just under £300k for the house which is great really considering we paid £161k for it in 2009 and have spent no more than £10k on it during 5 years including the initial mini refurb.

          Just gotta hope it all goes through smoothly now......


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on February 05, 2015, 01:30:52 PM
          You DTD deepstack-ing this weekend, Rich? Father and I will be in attendance and would be great to catch up.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 05, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
          You've just inspired me to go and shave my 4 week beard off. Thank you.

          Am I seeing you at the weekend? What's your plans?
          Haha 4 weeks is amateur in my opinion, this beauty is untouched (Amanda excepted obv) since the 1st December!


          Hmmm binking a deepstack seat may mean that unless you are around Sat night and I have bust early it could prove difficult.

          Plans for Saturday?

          Saturday gentings, g Friday and Sunday.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 05, 2015, 05:12:08 PM
          You DTD deepstack-ing this weekend, Rich? Father and I will be in attendance and would be great to catch up.
          Yes Eduardo I am up Saturday and hopefully will be staying up for day2 so hope to see you both there.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 06, 2015, 09:18:17 AM
          Your diary is awesome.  I wish you would post more.  Straight from the start i could relate to it.  We are the same age, same sick degens in the late 90s trying to get up the corporate ladder but loving the dirty side of gambling and getting totally balls deep into punting/massively in debt in games we can't beat when we were both clueless just for the sheer buzz of it because the corporate world at 25 was so fucking boring to us both.  One question.  Why did you think one day 'fuck me southend needs a smokehouse and i am going to set it up with a serious lump of my own cash?'  You are an estate agent.  Why didn't you think 'You know what i fancy setting up my own agency'?   No rubs intended just a serious question.  Pretty sure you will be a winner at whatever you turn your hand to business wise but i am just really interested why you want to get into this business.
          Sorry bud only just re read this part.

          In the towns where our offices are located I honestly do not think I could open up an office and do anything different to us and the other two good (perceived) agents in the town therefore could only really compete on cost which is not a great stategy in our industry.

          I dont really think I am an amazing estate agent but build really good teams around me with good work ethics and run the offices in a good fun environment (goes back to my football dressing room days) and feel sometimes like the glue that sticks them all together as opposed to it being me that brings that much to the table.

          The other reason is that I actually like having the ability to have a few fingers in different pies and if one is under performing them the others can make up for it and this is where the various passive incomes come in so currently we have my wage, Petra's photography, The Slovak shop, Swift Leaflets and then hopefully The Smokehouse and a rental property over the next few months with another couple of ideas in the background and in a perfect world over the next few years if the other bits go well I would phase out my actual work (subject to incomes etc).

          There is only one town I would open up in this area and if our company went down the franchise route I would be happy to have a bit of that utilizing the brand we already have.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on February 06, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
          In less exciting news this is currently the beard which makes me look older and slightly like Saul (in before he is older with more hair) from Homeland :(

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Saul%20Berenson.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Eso.jpg)

          You should be able to get a few through with that look Rich.

          GL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
          Had a pretty good weekend all in all with the offices really busy and me nabbing a few hours off Saturday afternoon and leaving Southend at 12.15 and arriving at DTD for 3.15 before getting a seat in the deepstack as they opened a table 10 mins later with my starting table consisting of Richard Shiels (of newspaper fame) who I met at the last deeptack and have chatted a fair bit since at UKIPT London and this weekend and is a really nice young guy actually.

          I dont think even he himself can believe the publicity that the family have gotten over the past few weeks and he got a certain amount of ribbing on the table when got a full double up with him 3b jamming a flop and getting a guy to call of 30bbs with a gutshot and one over with us telling him it mst be a "mathematical formula" that gets people to play like that against him ;)

          When we had spoken previously I had told him about Arbboy's rant against him which he was unaware of but had then read and enjoyed the thread in the correct spirit and he said that the Birmingham Evening mail had picked up the story which The Mail saw and decided to publish and since then the radio had picked it up and they were enjoying their 15 minutes of fame with Pokerstars putting them in their next event as a family at The Hippodrome in Feb or March and I guess with the way internet sites are going a story about a family of poker players is better and cheaper than x pro or x celebrity on a small scale to entice others to the game.  Richard I believe is starting a job in March so personally I dont think he is taking the publicity that seriously and whilst as many young people have aspirations to do something in Poker it was refreshing to see that with him it wasnt the be all and end all of his life.

          The rest of my starting table was good with Ruud (confirmed top bloke) and Cupcake plus other randoms with the game played in a fun envorinment and plenty of banter/chat and I was lucky enough to chip up solidly thanks to Ruud not having a fold button hitting a few flops and then with a couple of levels left I moved tables where I was oop to Binkham, Ben Vinson and Rehfish but made a call with 5 mins to go that I have regretted since which ultimately cost us the chance of a day 2 spin up and it was a drive back down to Essex with me getting home at 3am and up 3 hours later when the clan woke up :(

          The next week consists of work, first gym sessions in a while, some work on the leaflet business, finalising a few things on the Restaurant with the designers of the premises and brand getting their initial instructions and some spade work into a potential new venture which I will talk about another time.....





          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 09, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
          Just received this email which means it could be my lucky day...

          Attention Blacklock,

          Compliment of the day I am Barrister Edwin Clark a Legal adviser to
          Mr. Arthur Blacklock who died on a car accident and I believe with
          your assistance we can receive the fund deposits by my deceased
          client. He left the sum of (US$5.5million) with UTB BANK here in Togo.

          If you want to know more, get back to me so I will give you more
          information to proceed. I look forward to hearing from you.

          Yours sincerely,
          Edwin Clark.


          I wonder how many people ever reply to them? but reminded me of this legend...
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3zhzT1wDo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 19, 2015, 06:28:09 PM
          Yesterday I went for a meeting with a client whom I have met about 10 times in the past 18 months and the 3rd time I met him at his offices a seagull dropped the most hideous amount of bird poo on me which was the first time in 20 years I had been shit on!

          As we walked away from my clients office yesterday for a coffe this happened  :(
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Marv.jpg)

          We immediately walked back for a quick wipe up of the rest of my arm and suit and walked past a couple of wino's with tenants extra in their hands who commented

          "Mate you have bird shit all over you!"

          with the other one piping up

          "Thats lucky that is mate"

          Obviously it didnt feel lucky at the time and also felt very much against the odds and I even contemplated buying a lottery ticket last night but decided not to (I wouldnt have won with the numbers I normally play) so I guess the lucky part must be that it's 100 yards from where we hopefully will be opening the venue.

          Our "Great Big Mini Promotion" started today and overnight all the offices were decorated which coincides with the local papers of which we take extra pages for the duration and sing from the roof tops that if you were thinking of selling (we would expect to have an invote to a fair chunk of homes due to market share) and maybe were slightly undecided on who to use you might as well give yourself a 250/1 - 300/1 chance of winning a brand new £15'000 mini.

          These are the offices

          Leigh on Sea
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mini%20Leigh.jpg)


          Thorpe Bay
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mini%20Thorpe%20Bay.jpg)

          For the boys, the lovely Danielle with one page of the advert ;)  ( they are not real Vinny in case you wondered)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Danielle%20Mini.jpg)

          The numbers for a promotion of this sort are that we expect an uplift in instructions that will more than pay for the marketing and purchase of the car so if we take the previous promotion which was the £99 one that got flamed in the press and buyers hated and got negative comments here, the phones never stopped ringing with vendors asking "whats that £99 thing about" and then we would go and see them.

          Over the past 3 years on a quarterly basis we take on approximately 50 properties per office per branch and during that 3 months we took on 69 properties per office so an overall uplift of 19 properties which as of today our average fee in the pipelines is £3725 and each office over a sample size of 20 years (plenty) will sell 50% of what we take on the market (so 9.5 x £3725 = £35387.50 and of that 66% will always go through = £23355 in income per office) and that promotion cost us £20k to set up in terms of creation, marketing, leaflets, leaflet distribution and advertising so we actually banked an extra £50k in income that we never had!

          This one is costing us £25k in total so it needs a similar result and will run to the end of May with the draw being done at the end of June when the BMW Mini dealers we are partnership with open a new showroom, plus we need to ensure that anyone who tries to just get an entry in the draw and lists on the 31st May is outside of the "cooling off period" of 14 days that we have to abide by.

          More news on the restaurant next week....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on February 19, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
          Bird might have been marking his terrority after spotting a perfect looking new nest for the spring....

          ... your beard! 

          Great story!  Promo looks good btw.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2015, 06:22:42 PM
          Bird might have been marking his terrority after spotting a perfect looking new nest for the spring....

          ... your beard! 

          Great story!  Promo looks good btw.

          The nest is here to stay, well for a bit longer anyway ;) and even though Petra hates it I keep telling her that everytime she mentions it it's here for another week.....

          Rising property prices in Leigh on Sea hit the headlines in our local papers again this week with figures being released that over the past 12 months the average property price in Leigh on Sea had risen by £30,500 from £266,801 to £296,850 which is a remarkable increase of over 11% or £567.92 per week, with detached houses the figure is even higher with an average weekly increase of £1010.69!!

          You could buy a detached house in Leigh and not have worked for a year and effectively had a job that would have paid 40% tax!!!

          Obviously it's not always that easy but the bubble here just shows no sign of bursting.

          Ivy has been scootering around for a good few months now as other video's I have shown on here and here she was last Friday after we parked up in town before checking out a flat we are thinking of buying and meeting some friends for lunch and she still shows incredible tekkers for a little one who is not 2 for a couple of weeks yet.

          Here she is
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDsRnasWks

          Had a pretty wierd meeting at work today where I finally got my 2015 package nailed as Operations Manager for the three offices but having come out of there I am not sure if I undersold myself and what I believe I am worth to the company or whether it is a fair deal but I think I am just on the right end of it with the flexibility it offers for my other ventures so cannot complain although I do feel a bit sore!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 02, 2015, 02:21:45 PM
          This property below just typifies the area I live and work in at the moment!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Dundonald.jpg)

          This is in my road and 2 years ago a detached 2 bedroom bungalow sat on the ground and a developer we deal with bought it, knocked it down and built the two four bedroom semi detached houses that you can see with the buyers completing in May 2014 at the price of £425'000 which at the time we felt a touch toppy but as we were on a scaled commission with us getting 3% of any sale over £415k we fought even harder than we normally do to get the asking prices.

          Last week we listed a lovely South backing house in a prominent road just off the seafront at an asking price of £875k and in the first 48 hours had 3 people who wanted to buy it with one of the couples being the vendors above but they needed to sell their property which we listed that evening at a guide price of £500-540k and turned our attention to getting theirs moved quickly with photo's being done Thursday afternoon.

          I got back from Nottingham yesterday to find that we already had 2 offers on the house in the photo and that was wrapped up a few hours ago for an amazing 22% uplift in 1 year on a home that hasnt needed a jot of work doing to it as it was brand new!

          Even I get surprised by my industry some times....


          Will update on a few other things later on


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on March 03, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
          Easy life in the South, I'm stood in a cold industrial unit trying to get it flogged. Saying that it's aaking rent is £150,000 a year. I know even in the north!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 03, 2015, 12:10:35 PM
          Easy life in the South, I'm stood in a cold industrial unit trying to get it flogged. Saying that it's aaking rent is £150,000 a year. I know even in the north!

          Surely you get to rent half of Sheffield for that?  ;)    (smiley for context)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on March 03, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
          Easy life in the South, I'm stood in a cold industrial unit trying to get it flogged. Saying that it's aaking rent is £150,000 a year. I know even in the north!

          Surely you get to rent half of Sheffield for that?  ;)    (smiley for context)

          all.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 10:34:30 AM
          I just dont know where the time goes and if I could add a few hours onto each day I would be vvvv grateful.

          This week has been good and not so good but lets start with the not so good!

          Our only and main bit of competition in the town for a competing restaurant had decided to move venues from their small 40 cover restaurant to a former nightclub a few hundred yards from our proposed venue but also just off the main town drag and we have been waiting to see a little of what they do as they are already an established business with over 12000 likes on their FB page and this week they launched their new menu and website.

          They were always going to beat us to the punch in terms of opening as they had locked up their venue earlier but it seems they have gone down a "similar" route to our concept although we do believe there are enough difference in venue, menu and importantly marketing that our business plan should still work but it is a little bit annoying to say the least.  I actually had a meeting with one of our investors a couple of weeks ago and said whilst I loved our concept, the fact they would open first didnt mean I was tied to venue and would if required be more than happy for a different town/city to launch in rather than iron out £40k just trying to compete toe for toe with these guys.

          This is them http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/ (http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/) and feel free to comment on their website/menu etc as we already have our own opinions.

          The next few weeks will be very telling for us as we met a licencing manager this week and they said the council were looking to ensure the righ tenants were in the Royal Hotel as they wish to use the hotel and the recently renovated Park Inn Hotel as part of their marketing for the coming years due to the iconic nature of the buildings but they then caveated that with ia message that if we tried to open it as a nightclub they would refuse licensing and so would the police but luckily the guy seemed happy with our plans and wants to work with us.  Unfortunately we cannot start any building work until all the licencing is resolved so our proposed dates will move back slightly as this process is about 8 weeks if we only get a few basic appeals.

          I have learnt so much from this process that whatever happens and whether Southend takes off I will definitely be doing something like this in a town or city big enough to do the numbers we would need to.

          Onto the good...

          This week on my half day off for the week, Petra had asked me to do a few photo's with Max for a Portrait Group she is part of so we had these done at home with the last one being done on a timer which turned out well and only took 3 goes to get it right.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Boys.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Me%20n%20Kids.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Family.jpg)


          Busy 10 days before GPS Southend and the only time during the year where hotels are not required....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on March 07, 2015, 11:11:04 AM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 11:28:35 AM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!
          Thx bud and lol no, plus I dont think that Southend have the palette for anything on that fine wine menu ;)

          That unfortunately/fortunately is part of the Ego's of the brothers involved in that place.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 07, 2015, 11:32:35 AM
          Great pics Rich. You must be really proud.

          Initial thoughts on Mange are that I found the website v tilting. Menu looks nice to me with a varied selection although a full English breakfast should always have more than 1 of each item.

          Not knowing Southend at all are you confident that there is enough customer base for 2 similar restaurants?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on March 07, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!
          Thx bud and lol no, plus I dont think that Southend have the palette for anything on that fine wine menu ;)

          That unfortunately/fortunately is part of the Ego's of the brothers involved in that place.

          Must add a few quid to your insurance bill surely having 5 figures of redic wine in a burger bar effectively!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 12:10:39 PM
          Great pics Rich. You must be really proud.

          Initial thoughts on Mange are that I found the website v tilting. Menu looks nice to me with a varied selection although a full English breakfast should always have more than 1 of each item.

          Not knowing Southend at all are you confident that there is enough customer base for 2 similar restaurants?

          Cheers Andy and good read ;)

          I thought the website was more like a computer game tbh but thats just my humble opinion and when you click on the restaurant bit the guy who walks on is one of the brothers who own it and again becomes part of the ego.

          The thing is there is not that much breakfast trade in the area and not at that price so overheads must be really high so we wouldnt be going down that route, all other research dictates that the area is big enough with more money being thrown at Southend but as I said in a meeting the other day I would rather walk away from this venue and go to a different place than take a punt and try to compete toe to toe.

          Price point wise they are a touch higher than our proposal which is good and they are verging on fine dining price in as Mark says effectively a burger joint but the one thing that even having no experience of working a joint like this (dont plan to either) the research has shown us is that their menu will not be fresh and most will be frozen and they will have a ridiculous amount of waste as it will be impossible to service this menu freshly made where as our proposed menu was having a more workable core menu with some seasonal specials that are added weekly/monthly  with a big noise made about it through all the social media.

          Will post some stats on the town later on.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 12:13:20 PM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!
          Thx bud and lol no, plus I dont think that Southend have the palette for anything on that fine wine menu ;)

          That unfortunately/fortunately is part of the Ego's of the brothers involved in that place.

          Must add a few quid to your insurance bill surely having 5 figures of redic wine in a burger bar effectively!
          Thats if they actually have those champagnes/wines there at all.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on March 07, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!
          Thx bud and lol no, plus I dont think that Southend have the palette for anything on that fine wine menu ;)

          That unfortunately/fortunately is part of the Ego's of the brothers involved in that place.

          Must add a few quid to your insurance bill surely having 5 figures of redic wine in a burger bar effectively!
          Thats if they actually have those champagnes/wines there at all.....

          Not very good for your ego as the owner if Dubai rocks up and asks for 2 bottles and they are not available though is it?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: simonnatur on March 07, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
          Main thoughts on the competition was that the name was poor/at odds with the concept. Have they been reading this diary/ got wind of your plans?  :)  Graphics give a poor impression to me unless they have really gone for an 80's video game themed interior.

          I wouldn't take the fact that someone else is prepared to invest a ton of money in the area as wholly negative. Doubt you can relocate elsewhere and run a thriving restaurant without competitors springing up.

          Thanks for taking the time to update - it's a fascinating read.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
          Main thoughts on the competition was that the name was poor/at odds with the concept. Have they been reading this diary/ got wind of your plans?  :)  Graphics give a poor impression to me unless they have really gone for an 80's video game themed interior.

          I wouldn't take the fact that someone else is prepared to invest a ton of money in the area as wholly negative. Doubt you can relocate elsewhere and run a thriving restaurant without competitors springing up.

          Thanks for taking the time to update - it's a fascinating read.
          Thanks very much for the nice comment!

          They were already based 200 yards away from their new venue and had a solid following in their old venue hence the 11000 likes before they even moved but were more Bistro in nature although offered a few Smokehouse style dishes and have just expanded on their menu but it's very busy.

          Good point on the running a thriving restaurant without others popping up and the bottom end of the town has always been the poor relation until recently with them moving and the Park Inn opening plus the new G Casino on the ground floor of this venue with it being located 100 yards from the Royal Hotel.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Park%20Inn.jpg)

          I personally feel these three venues (The council want to use the Park inn and the Royal as reasons for people to come to Southend so we would benefit from some free marketing) could mean that the bottom end of the town beocmes the part of town to be for an evenings entertainment.

          Thank you for the feedback Simon.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 07, 2015, 01:31:16 PM
          Nice pics!  Have you got a £4500 bottle of champers on your drinks menu like Mange have?  The only way is essex!
          Thx bud and lol no, plus I dont think that Southend have the palette for anything on that fine wine menu ;)

          That unfortunately/fortunately is part of the Ego's of the brothers involved in that place.

          Must add a few quid to your insurance bill surely having 5 figures of redic wine in a burger bar effectively!
          Thats if they actually have those champagnes/wines there at all.....

          Not very good for your ego as the owner if Dubai rocks up and asks for 2 bottles and they are not available though is it?
          That reminds me of Dubai's champagne story when he held all the monies....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on March 08, 2015, 11:09:35 AM
          I just dont know where the time goes and if I could add a few hours onto each day I would be vvvv grateful.

          This week has been good and not so good but lets start with the not so good!

          Our only and main bit of competition in the town for a competing restaurant had decided to move venues from their small 40 cover restaurant to a former nightclub a few hundred yards from our proposed venue but also just off the main town drag and we have been waiting to see a little of what they do as they are already an established business with over 12000 likes on their FB page and this week they launched their new menu and website.

          They were always going to beat us to the punch in terms of opening as they had locked up their venue earlier but it seems they have gone down a "similar" route to our concept although we do believe there are enough difference in venue, menu and importantly marketing that our business plan should still work but it is a little bit annoying to say the least.  I actually had a meeting with one of our investors a couple of weeks ago and said whilst I loved our concept, the fact they would open first didnt mean I was tied to venue and would if required be more than happy for a different town/city to launch in rather than iron out £40k just trying to compete toe for toe with these guys.

          This is them http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/ (http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/) and feel free to comment on their website/menu etc as we already have our own opinions.

          The next few weeks will be very telling for us as we met a licencing manager this week and they said the council were looking to ensure the righ tenants were in the Royal Hotel as they wish to use the hotel and the recently renovated Park Inn Hotel as part of their marketing for the coming years due to the iconic nature of the buildings but they then caveated that with ia message that if we tried to open it as a nightclub they would refuse licensing and so would the police but luckily the guy seemed happy with our plans and wants to work with us.  Unfortunately we cannot start any building work until all the licencing is resolved so our proposed dates will move back slightly as this process is about 8 weeks if we only get a few basic appeals.

          I have learnt so much from this process that whatever happens and whether Southend takes off I will definitely be doing something like this in a town or city big enough to do the numbers we would need to.

          Onto the good...

          This week on my half day off for the week, Petra had asked me to do a few photo's with Max for a Portrait Group she is part of so we had these done at home with the last one being done on a timer which turned out well and only took 3 goes to get it right.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Boys.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Me%20n%20Kids.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Family.jpg)


          Busy 10 days before GPS Southend and the only time during the year where hotels are not required....


          The photographs are excellent Rich. How does she do the dark background?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 08, 2015, 11:20:16 AM
          I just dont know where the time goes and if I could add a few hours onto each day I would be vvvv grateful.

          This week has been good and not so good but lets start with the not so good!

          Our only and main bit of competition in the town for a competing restaurant had decided to move venues from their small 40 cover restaurant to a former nightclub a few hundred yards from our proposed venue but also just off the main town drag and we have been waiting to see a little of what they do as they are already an established business with over 12000 likes on their FB page and this week they launched their new menu and website.

          They were always going to beat us to the punch in terms of opening as they had locked up their venue earlier but it seems they have gone down a "similar" route to our concept although we do believe there are enough difference in venue, menu and importantly marketing that our business plan should still work but it is a little bit annoying to say the least.  I actually had a meeting with one of our investors a couple of weeks ago and said whilst I loved our concept, the fact they would open first didnt mean I was tied to venue and would if required be more than happy for a different town/city to launch in rather than iron out £40k just trying to compete toe for toe with these guys.

          This is them http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/ (http://www.mangetoutgrill.co.uk/) and feel free to comment on their website/menu etc as we already have our own opinions.

          The next few weeks will be very telling for us as we met a licencing manager this week and they said the council were looking to ensure the righ tenants were in the Royal Hotel as they wish to use the hotel and the recently renovated Park Inn Hotel as part of their marketing for the coming years due to the iconic nature of the buildings but they then caveated that with ia message that if we tried to open it as a nightclub they would refuse licensing and so would the police but luckily the guy seemed happy with our plans and wants to work with us.  Unfortunately we cannot start any building work until all the licencing is resolved so our proposed dates will move back slightly as this process is about 8 weeks if we only get a few basic appeals.

          I have learnt so much from this process that whatever happens and whether Southend takes off I will definitely be doing something like this in a town or city big enough to do the numbers we would need to.

          Onto the good...

          This week on my half day off for the week, Petra had asked me to do a few photo's with Max for a Portrait Group she is part of so we had these done at home with the last one being done on a timer which turned out well and only took 3 goes to get it right.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Boys.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Me%20n%20Kids.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/The%20Family.jpg)


          Busy 10 days before GPS Southend and the only time during the year where hotels are not required....


          The photographs are excellent Rich. How does she do the dark background?

          Thanks Tom!

          She uses one of these
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Clothes%20Rack_1.jpg)

          Available from all good retail outlets ;) and the either drapes over a black sheet and clips it to the side of the window also with the room we use as a studio being west backing for the best natural light which she shoots all the babies in and then snaps away.

          Petra has a variety of backgrounds that she will use and the clothes rack also acts to suspend babies wrapped up for floating shots when required.

          The family shot with the light background is just the back wall in the room but us sat in exactly the same place as the others.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 12, 2015, 06:02:17 PM
          Not that I personally think this as there must be some better places to live in the UK than where I do but Leigh on Sea is "allegedly" the 4th most popular place in the UK to live!

          http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11842351.Which_Essex_town_has_been_named_fourth_best_place_to_live_in_the_UK_/ (http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11842351.Which_Essex_town_has_been_named_fourth_best_place_to_live_in_the_UK_/)

          Some of the comments are pretty lol worthy but vvv true.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 16, 2015, 02:45:22 PM
          I negotiated a pass out for Genting Lutons decent monthly tournament on Saturday evening and despite not having above average chips for the first 9 levels of the tournament I managed to find a bit of rungood in the last level of the day and moved from 21k at 8/1600 to 98600 by the end of the level which was just under 50 bigs coming back on MOTHERING SUNDAY!

          For the past two years I have had a bag of scrabble letters in my drawer at work and had wanted to create something in a frame for Petra from the kids but last year she went to Slovakia around mothers day and the year before I ran out of time so shelved the idea so getting home at 3.30am Sunday morning and still knowing Max would be awake at his standard 6am I knew I had to do this and commenced sticking some of the letters together and trying not to stick my fingers together at the same time and had already bought a frame to mount it in having seen it in a house we were selling a few years ago.

          Not being creative and without wanting to lose any MAN points itt I am pretty happy with the result as was the good wife ;)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mothers%20Day.jpg)

          2 hours later Max was awake and got chance to sign his first mothers day card although I think his letter sizing needs a touch of work...
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Maxs%20Signature.jpg)

          Then after football training with Max at 9am we went off to one of his pals 4th Birthday parties and a quick bite to eat before the drive back to Luton for day 2 which started really well with me chipping up to 150k without showdown and then I lost AK v AJ for 60k AIPF hitting my King otr to give my oppo a straight and finally expired with set over set to exit (no hard feelings as was never winning the hand) and decided to venture over to the G for their afternoon £50 comp which started well finding KK first hand to win 10k in a pretty fast middle structure before flopping a set of 10's vs a loose villain who flopped the straight and called my cbet with the turn bringing a one card str8 and he checked again so I just gave myself the chance to hit a full house whcih duly appeared on the river and he check raised me all in and I was never in danger of not going deep (in before) with treble average and some good tables although I lost 3/4 of my stack on a protacted final table bubble that went on when I tried to rep the hand the guy behind me had when a flush draw hit the river in a 3 way pot to leave me 30k at 4/8k but span it back up to 250k in about 25 minutes to make the FT as one of the chippies.

          The std Luton dbl bubble saver was declined by me and 2 others with 9 on the FT and only 7 paid and I managed to get this stack which was 1/4 the chips in play with 8 left
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Poker%20Chips.jpg)
          and really pushed for the win as the payouts were 1360,890,580,420... but lost all the pots vs the shorties as I seemed to be the only player wanting to get involved so doubled 3 of them up when they had 5-8bb's and then lost a 3 way allin for about 3/4 chips in play when villain opened to 32k at 5/10k and the shortie shipped for 75k and I found AKcc in the bb and reshipped putting the opener all in for another 250k who tank called with QQ with the shortie holding 89hh which flopped decidely well on A88dd but we didnt hold on diamond turn and rivers for the main pot as the villain had the Qd to scoop the bigger pot.

          I managed to chip back up to 350k 5 handed then lost an annoying pot before 89hh man exited and then stuck the shortie in for 6bbs when I saw a King  bvb but he found AQ somehow in the bb which left me short and the very next hand my 11bbs went in otb with A9drawing thin vs AJ to exit in 4th but a little bit of profit for the time invested over the weekend even though my 40 year old body is a bit shattered from just 5 hours sleep over the weekend.

          I also saw an incredible beard this weekend at the G and as a grower myself you do find yourself having cases of "Beard Envy" as you look around the streets these day but check out this beauty!!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Beard%20Envy.jpg)
          Not sure I would still be married if mine got this long!

          This week consists of work, GPS Southend and a couple of side events with Tom Langley staying at Chez Kral for a couple of days and hopefully we will agree a few things on the restaurant which continues to roll forwards along with my shared day of sadness as another anniversary passes of both my Dad's and Vinny's Holly who both passed away on the 19th March so my thought will be with my little Maltese brother.

          Anyone coming to Southend this week?



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 18, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
          YING and YANG

          Last Friday saw Ivy's second birthday and she is growing in to an amazing toddler after causing a severe amount of sleep depravation which Max hadnt when he was her age but luckily she seems to have come out of that now and Petra is back getting a full nights sleep ;)

          Here she was on the morning of the day she was born along with a few photos over the past 2 years that have flown by...
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivy.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/October2.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/October3.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivycrying.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Slovakfamilyphoto.jpg)

          and here she was on Friday (slobber and all) with her little kitchen set as one of her presents
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivy2.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Ivy%202.jpg)

          This time of year is always tinged with an amount of sadness though as my Dad passed away 6 years ago tomorrow and I remember the call as if it were yesterday where they phoned us on the 18th March and told us that dad was not expected to make it through the next 24 hours so myself and Petra shot up the motorway from Essex and were able to spend his final hours with him and my brother even though he was in a morpheine induced coma it still felt he knew we were there and on the 19th March at around midday we were holding his hands as he took his final breath before finally slipping away.

          Even though I really hurt him as readers from the start would know it was good that we had rebuilt our relationship in his final year but it is still sad that he never got to see his grandchildren as he would have been a truly great Grandad.

          Here he was about 2 years before he was diagnosed as terminal and tomorrow I shall go one of the two places where we scattered his ashes to lay some flowers and spend a few minutes in peace with him and the kids.

          RIP Dad - Sadly missed but never ever forgotten!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Dad1.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 18, 2015, 01:25:25 PM
          Nice post 👍 and great pics of ivy.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 18, 2015, 03:09:05 PM
          Nice post 👍 and great pics of ivy.




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on March 18, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
          Nice post 👍 and great pics of ivy.



          This.

          RIP Grandad Eso too


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on March 18, 2015, 04:00:50 PM

          Agreed

          Really enjoy your updates Eso!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mohican on March 18, 2015, 06:19:25 PM
          Beard Envy- I get that even more now I've been shorn of 5 months growth. Although, my Beardbucket raised £460 for charity in the process. Here's the beard in its final moments before shearing.
          (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/druid636/beard%20bucket%201.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/druid636/media/beard%20bucket%201.jpg.html)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 18, 2015, 06:50:56 PM
          Beard Envy- I get that even more now I've been shorn of 5 months growth. Although, my Beardbucket raised £460 for charity in the process. Here's the beard in its final moments before shearing.
          (http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd131/druid636/beard%20bucket%201.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/druid636/media/beard%20bucket%201.jpg.html)
          I would be divorced with a bad boy like that!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mohican on March 18, 2015, 07:07:21 PM

          I would be divorced with a bad boy like that!
          I think I was close.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: simonnatur on March 19, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
          Heard this place mentioned, nominated for BBC Food and Farming Awards, they're a pop-up restaurant in Cardiff area that looks pretty good based on the reviews and pictures. Certainly looks like a popular concept when done well.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3j7qkXq01yQPk3lg0yC45mK/best-street-food-or-takeaway

          http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186460-d4104384-Reviews-Hang_Fire_Smokehouse-Cardiff_Southern_Wales_Wales.html


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2015, 01:07:35 PM
          Heard this place mentioned, nominated for BBC Food and Farming Awards, they're a pop-up restaurant in Cardiff area that looks pretty good based on the reviews and pictures. Certainly looks like a popular concept when done well.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3j7qkXq01yQPk3lg0yC45mK/best-street-food-or-takeaway

          http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186460-d4104384-Reviews-Hang_Fire_Smokehouse-Cardiff_Southern_Wales_Wales.html
          Thanks for that Simon, I had actually already seen Hang Fire upon my early stage of research.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on March 23, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
          http://www.missoulamontanabarandgrill.co.uk/

          Going to this gaff in York at the weekend for a Stag do.  Not sure if this is similar to your idea or not and whether you want any feedback.  Let me know.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 23, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
          http://www.missoulamontanabarandgrill.co.uk/

          Going to this gaff in York at the weekend for a Stag do.  Not sure if this is similar to your idea or not and whether you want any feedback.  Let me know.
          Always good to have feedback on these places mate so give us a good TR with some photos please.


          GPS Southend went pretty crap to be honest which is always pretty disappointing on your home leg when you see players who you havent seen in years due to not playing locally now and on sittiing down Thursday I liked my table with one decent local who made the FT and Terry Jordan who obviously loves the game coming in on the back of 16 bullets at Luton's £165 monthly tournie the week before and after 30 mins he had double his chip stack with the other players not knowing how to play him he just chipped up solidly and unfortunately I couldnt find a value hand vs him or anyone else tbh and just bled down a bit before getting a dbl through vs the decent local when 99 held vs AKo for 15bbs and then a few hands later it was GG when we turned the nut straight on 2 spade board and check raised Terry all in but he had flopped a set so wasnt folding and housed up on the river for a standard cooler.

          I hung around for a bit and saw an old local boy called Hamish win a big pot in a misread hand where he called Terry's open before calling flop, turn and then the river all in jam to turn over his hand declaring a straight only for the dealer to inform him that he didnt have a straight and just held Ace high which was good hence he came back with well over 100k.

          Day 1b didnt go much better although I did peak at just under 40k from 25ss and then after losing a few annoying pots and having to R/f a couple of times ended up getting my last 14bbs in vs eventual champion David L'honore who flipped better than my 1010 with AK and it was GG Southend :(

          That left saturday with a big void in it so I took Max and Ivy swimming then ventured upto Nottingham for their Big game as it looked like there could be an overlay and played the turbo where I fired a second bullet which made the next part with 75k which was plenty as they roll back the blinds to 1200bb and I wasnt planning on reentering unless I bust first level which happened after finding KK in the C/o and opening to 2700 before the shortie otb jammed for 6700 and the BB who had absolute chunks re-jammed well over 100k and I obv snapped him off and fast rolled my hand but the dealer wanted the pots right and started to count my stack with oppo's hand still face down and after well over a minute he brought in the pots and I found I was up against dem Aces and didnt get there.

          I entered for £330 and found a decent table with all manor of hands being shown down and was sat with Dazzling Conn Cronin who due to my beard didnt recognise me and it was funny listening to him tell his stories to people Mehtab who despite years around had not met him so we got the full array of stories, moodies and bluffs.  I was having a pretty depressing day on the pokers getting good hands beaten and not flopping well with my other hands and it was just one of those days where you just suck it up and try and hang in there hoping for a spin or that double through to get you back in the game and it looked like it was coming when we got it in our btn vs C/o A10ss v A9o but chopped it on K25 and then down to 10bigs we got it in with 88 vs Q10 after a speculaive utg1 open and didnt hold so just went home.

          The thing I love about poker is win or lose when you play as a rec like me is that apart from the drive home which is pretty crap the next morning I have two little smiling faces to greet me and as Sunday was their joint birthday party at the local church hall and 24 of their toddler friends we coming for a mid morning party.

          The joy on this little mans face which was evident for the whole hour of the Magicians performance makes it all worthwhile and makes you remember it's just a game.
          It is actually his birthday today so he had some presents yesterday and then our ones today

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Maxs%204th%20birthday.jpg)

          4 Years old today, where did that time go?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2015, 10:34:36 AM
          I saw this on Sunday at the local sport shop in Leigh on Sea and wonder if Ireland shirts would have been discounted if England scored another Try?

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Rugby.jpg)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mohican on March 24, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
          I saw this on Sunday at the local sport shop in Leigh on Sea and wonder if Ireland shirts would have been discounted if England scored another Try?

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Rugby.jpg)


          Wouldn't wear one if you paid me. #bitterWelshman


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 24, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
          I saw this on Sunday at the local sport shop in Leigh on Sea and wonder if Ireland shirts would have been discounted if England scored another Try?

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Rugby.jpg)


          Wouldn't wear one if you paid me. #bitterWelshman
          Lucky I didnt show you the window with the discount on that kit then  :P


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Mohican on March 24, 2015, 11:04:06 AM
          Probably trying to shift it before the Rugby World Cup kits come out.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2015, 03:19:09 PM
          I saw an article that Rightmove had predicted that house prices could well rocket again by 30% by 2019 which means that despite some negative claims that the housing market was beginning to slow down which would mean that the average property in London would be £715'000 and in the rest of England and Wales an average of £315'000.

          Unsurprisingly  (in before Arbboy) the biggest rise will be in the South East (inwards oioi) but also areas such as Southampton, Luton (god knows why), Brighton, Swindon and Enfield and in some seperate press I saw experts at Oxford Economics calculated that Southampton would see an increase of 43% over that 5 years and Luton and Brighton seeing average gains of £41'000 so if you are living in those areas or looking to invest in property then these could be areas you focus your search on.

          West London will see growth at a slower rate only growing at 13% with Carlisle, Lancaster, Manchester and Northampton also showing slow growth but Enfield which was previously one of the cheaper areas in London is predicted to show potential growth of 39.5%.

          To get the figures Rightmove based their assumptions on property and economic data rather than short term market factors and opinions with a director saying "Alongside the publication of the monthly house price index which is based on new sellers asking prices they have used other sources of property data and property transaction prices at a very local level.


          Well worth looking at the up and coming areas around the popular ones for anyone looking to invest in property as opposed to paying inflated prices for the actual hotspots.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on April 04, 2015, 03:35:08 PM
          An Estate Agency predicts property prices will go up to record unaffordable levels, whatever next :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
          Petra has recently took up a challenge to blog on her website for 30 days in a row after a seminar she went on and her blog is one of the underused parts of her business website http://photographybypetra.co.uk/section622020.html (http://photographybypetra.co.uk/section622020.html) and I think it is because English is not her spoken language so she doesnt feel she has anything interesting to say or is worried about the grammar side of it so I told her not to worry and just write about things within her industry or shoots that she has recently done.

          I think she has done really well in the first few days and made her pick some of the topics in advance so she knows what to write about for the next few days.

          She has recently started doing "Birth Photography" which is where she is with the parents to be from the onset of advanced labour and photo's in a reportage style and there is no one locally who offers this type of photography which can obviously be pretty time consuming when you think how long labour can be.

          Petra was drawn to it after a conversation at a seminar and then she found this blog http://epicdangerblog.com/index.php/2013/12/why-i-never-wanted-a-birth-photographer-personal/ (http://epicdangerblog.com/index.php/2013/12/why-i-never-wanted-a-birth-photographer-personal/) about a lady who had 2 kids and decided to try a birth photographer for the third child, the video towards the bottom of the page is pretty moving but shows the reasons why people will get this style of photography as she catches the touches and moments that get lost in the birth itself.

          So she offered on her facebook page the opportunity for 5 women to receive the service free of charge as long as Petra could blog about it and they were prepared to be interviewed afterwards by the local press alongside Petra so that she could gain some free editorial and within 2 hours she had booked the shoots with the first one taking place this week just gone however unfortunately despite the lady starting labour on Sunday evening she didnt ask Petra to go round even though she was ready and at 1am Monday morning she said she would call Petra in the morning when the midwife came back (she wanted a home birth) but when she eventually contacte Petra she was so far gone that she delivered whilst Petra was en route and a lesson was learnt by all.

          Petra still did some shots though and if you are not squeemish as some shots are a touch graphic of the Placenta then here is a slideshow of the first one http://www.kizoa.com/slideshow-maker/d19294378k7394455o1/marni-thomas (http://www.kizoa.com/slideshow-maker/d19294378k7394455o1/marni-thomas) albeit a time consuming part of her business it is very lucrative with London photographers doing this achieving over £1000 per shoot.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 04, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
          An Estate Agency predicts property prices will go up to record unaffordable levels, whatever next :)
          Only in certain areas ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: tikay on April 06, 2015, 08:01:47 AM


          So close.........

          Even so, nice one Mr B.



          Eso_Kral 0 4 £272.51 + £175.78 Head Prizes 5


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 06, 2015, 09:13:35 AM


          So close.........

          Even so, nice one Mr B.



          Eso_Kral 0 4 £272.51 + £175.78 Head Prizes 5
          Thank Tikay
          Even a blind squirrel finds nuts some days ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 06, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
          I'm somewhat late to the party but this has been a brilliant read.

          Your other half does some really nice work.

          I hope to catch up with you in person sooner rather than later.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 06, 2015, 03:51:28 PM
          I'm somewhat late to the party but this has been a brilliant read.

          Your other half does some really nice work.

          I hope to catch up with you in person sooner rather than later.
          Thanks very much!

          I will message you if and when I'm next going to luton which maybe the 25/25 at the end of the month.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 12:40:28 PM
          Table 23/1 for Ukipt main just starting


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on April 15, 2015, 01:07:27 PM
          Good luck rockafella


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 03:02:57 PM
          Good luck rockafella
          Cheers dude u coming up or still under the thumb?

          Update below for backers...

          Play 2 pots 1st level losing 2k when flop a set of 10s on QJ10 5ss K vs Trevor Pearson then open 88mp to 250 @ 50/100 with unknown Btn 3betting to 550 which just we call to see JJ10 which we check call 750 turn brings a 2 and action goes chk chk and on 6 river villain bets 3100 which I call beating AK so have 26500 at start of level 2
          Lose 3k with KQss on Btn vs utg open on KK5 102 just calling down the streets losing to AK

          Nothing of note in 3rd level but got 27.6k at the end of level 3 going back to 150/300/75 and the 2 good players on the table (not me) have 20bbs each on a fairly decent table so hope we don't break.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 04:03:46 PM
          Back to SS of 25k at start of level 5 2/4/50


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 04:24:51 PM
          33.5k with 20mins left at 2/4/50


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 04:49:38 PM
          36k with blinds just gone 250/500/50 (level 6)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 05:04:24 PM
          44.5k after just got lucky on a run out after we open 77 to 1050 @500bb and villain calls in co as do both blinds and we see a 4way flop of 942cc which the blinds check and I lead for 1600 which gets raised to 3800 by co with both blinds folding and I peeled the extra to see the 7c on the turn which we check call 4200 and we get lucky to see the 6c river which I put out a 6400 bluff which the villain read as a value bet as he snap open folded 99 for a flopped set


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 05:53:52 PM
          44.5k at end of second break just started 3/600/75


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 06:38:17 PM
          Flop a set with 55 vs an open utg a flat and a bb make up on K95dd where it checked to me and I bet flop, turn and then called a 5k river bet getting 5/1 on turns of 6h 2d river losing to 89dd where probs could fold river.

          29k with blinds just gone 4/800/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 07:24:29 PM
          Recovered from 22k last hand before break to 33.1k going back to 5/1000/100 which is the penultimate level of the day!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 07:50:47 PM
          49.9k after open AKhh and get flatted immed behind by a new player and get a cb through on a one heart bricky flop and then next hand open QQ from utg2 to 2500 at 1k bb and get flatted by the same player before the Btn 3s to 7500 from 39k and back to me I 4b to 13400 to leave just under pot back and after a dwell he folded.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
          Back to 33k after old guy opens utg1 to 2300 we peel AQo immed behind and SB rips it for 14bbs and we call after OR folds but we lose the flip vs 44 despite a counterfeit board of 2J10 2 J


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
          30k into last level of the day 6/1200/200


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 15, 2015, 08:36:37 PM
          Good luck! Seems to be going okay, keep it up!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
          Good luck! Seems to be going okay, keep it up!
          Cheers bud

          Doubled up and some after guy I have battled with all day opens to 3600 at 1200bb and guy in sb peels we have QJo in the bb and peel the 2 bbs which leaves us 20bbs back and flop QJ3 which sb checks we check to raiser who sadly checks back and we see a 5s turn which now the sb leads for 6k so we ship and the OR dwells then folds before the sb calls off with 1010 to take us to 59k

          We then whilst typing knock him out so have 69k with last 5 hands of day left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 15, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
          Go on my cocker  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 15, 2015, 09:10:07 PM
          Go on my cocker  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;
          Gotta try and win some dough back somehow

          Bagged 76400 going back Saturday to 8/1600/200


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 02:09:53 PM
          From 64k to 92k when AA beats JJ shortie then defend 78dd to a min open and flop AQKdd check call 5200 after opener raised to 4400pre and hit 6d turn which checks round and on 5h river get paid 12k
          Then get further progress to 135k after open A8 off in lojack button calls as do both blinds and flop AQKhh high checks round turn 5s checks to me I lead for 6200 just sb calls and we check back the 7c river and win after villain declares an Ace.

          129k at first break going back to 12/2400/300 on an hour clock now

          Avg 92k and 276 players left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 18, 2015, 02:26:01 PM
          Nice one. Keep it going! GL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
          Nice one. Keep it going! GL
          Cheers Nuts!

          202k after Rana opens utg to 6k at 2400bb and Jason Wheeler (Bryn Kenneys mate) peels MP we have KJcc otb and overcall to see K92dd flop which Rana checks, Jason bets 12k we call and Rana folds
          Turn 6h and he bets 12k again to see the river Qs and he bets 44k which is just under half my stack.
          He has been table captain all day so far and  been very confident till this hand when he was moving away from the table and a bit fiddly and after a cpl of minutes he called clock on me so I snap called him and were good vs 89cc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
          440k at 15/3000/400

          Avg 129k 197 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 04:07:16 PM
          440k at 15/3000/400

          Avg 129k 197 left
          Will report an absolute corker of a hand later!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 18, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
          150bb weeeeeeeeeeeee


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 18, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
          Gooooo Eso

           ;cheerleader; ;esochomp; ;cheerleader;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: OverTheBorder on April 18, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
          Gl Rich. I told you a Friday in Luton was great prep


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 04:49:17 PM
          479k at second break going back 2/4/500

          Cheers for the geeeeels


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on April 18, 2015, 04:54:18 PM
          Go on my son


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 18, 2015, 05:30:08 PM
          Just flashed up the updates, and saw this

          (https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/assets_c/2015/04/UKIPT_Nottingham_2015_RichardBlacklock_MickeyMay_610266-thumb-400xauto-258175.jpg)

          Was disappointed to see you had given up on it though...

          (https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/assets_c/2015/04/UKIPT_Nottingham_2015_richard%20blacklock_MickeyMay_63024-thumb-400xauto-258173.jpg)



          Best of luck mate :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 05:30:37 PM
          Table move to table with Vinson, Lindop, Ian Bosley and Typhoon TP


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 05:56:47 PM
          Just flashed up the updates, and saw this

          (https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/assets_c/2015/04/UKIPT_Nottingham_2015_RichardBlacklock_MickeyMay_610266-thumb-400xauto-258175.jpg)

          Was disappointed to see you had given up on it though...

          (https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/assets_c/2015/04/UKIPT_Nottingham_2015_richard%20blacklock_MickeyMay_63024-thumb-400xauto-258173.jpg)



          Best of luck mate :)
          560k on the bubble at 2.5k/5k/500


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 18, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
          Go annn all the way, gl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 18, 2015, 06:14:43 PM
          560k on the bubble at 2.5k/5k/500


          Lovely.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on April 18, 2015, 06:30:55 PM
          Growing beard until you cashed a MTT? :)

          Keep crushing!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
          Growing beard until you cashed a MTT? :)

          Keep crushing!
          Think it might have cursed me having it!

          590k with 15mins of 5k bb left which then takes us to the dinner break


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 18, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
          Growing beard until you cashed a MTT? :)

          Keep crushing!
          Think it might have cursed me having it!

          590k with 15mins of 5k bb left which then takes us to the dinner break

          It deffo affected your golf ;)

          Although tbf you did look a little like Old Tom Morris.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 07:08:06 PM
          Growing beard until you cashed a MTT? :)

          Keep crushing!
          Think it might have cursed me having it!

          590k with 15mins of 5k bb left which then takes us to the dinner break

          It deffo affected your golf ;)

          Although tbf you did look a little like Old Tom Morris.
          Lol :)

          567k at dinner break


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 18, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
          C'mon Rich.

          Rooting for you all the way now.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 18, 2015, 08:46:30 PM
          Growing beard until you cashed a MTT? :)

          Keep crushing!
          Think it might have cursed me having it!

          590k with 15mins of 5k bb left which then takes us to the dinner break

          It deffo affected your golf ;)

          Although tbf you did look a little like Old Tom Morris.

          I've had two long conversations with Eso over the last 24 hours, and he hasn't mentioned the golf. Perhaps you could tell us what happened, Ralph?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 08:49:03 PM
          490k with blinds going 4/8k in 5mins  95 left and avg 270k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 08:56:40 PM
          New player to table comes and opens to 14k at 3/6k we call with 99 and Dara Davey jams for 78k total and after o/r folds we call losing to KK

          390k now and blinds 4/8k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 09:08:47 PM
          Pretty rubbish 2 levels and now have 340k at 4/8k with avg 310k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 10:13:24 PM
          Brutal last 3 hours but we're still here with 64 left and 287k with blinds just going after break to 5/10000/100



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 18, 2015, 10:15:17 PM
          Loads to spin!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 18, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
          Loads to spin!

          This


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 18, 2015, 11:24:39 PM
          Back to 440k after a mini rush with 52left and avg 490k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 18, 2015, 11:31:51 PM
          Good luck Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 18, 2015, 11:59:50 PM
          gl 2 mor sir!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 12:25:20 AM
          Good last 20 mins as we now have 874k going into last level of the day!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 19, 2015, 12:29:53 AM
          whoops thought it was finished for the day haha booooom


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 19, 2015, 01:04:16 AM
          Good last 20 mins as we now have 874k going into last level of the day!

          LI'm Okinawa forward to hearing how that happened.  WP Sir.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
          Good last 20 mins as we now have 874k going into last level of the day!

          LI'm Okinawa forward to hearing how that happened.  WP Sir.
          I ground out 240k which was 20-25 bbs for 3 hours then had a mini rush to get to 380 when we find AA utg and open to 26 at 12/24k and the Bb jams when it folds to him for 340 total and we held vs 1010

          Lost the abs minimum I think when we defended A10dd vs an utg open and flopped 10103 ( I know) and villain bet all 3 streets on a 5, 2 run out but otr he gave a bit of drama as I went to look at his stack so despite wanting to jam I saved myself 150k as he had 55 for the turned house!

          Bagged up 523k though for Day 3 so it's not all bad and with 37 left were in with a shot.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 08:13:50 AM
          440k at 15/3000/400

          Avg 129k 197 left
          Will report an absolute corker of a hand later!
          Ok so if you read the updates on the stars blog you would know this hand but if not this is how I roll I got my day started.

          Having knocked out a short stack with AA v JJ I was then put to the test by Jason Wheeler and a couple of people had told me not to fold too much vs him so with my wizards cape on I chipped upto 210k before this hand.

          I opened 67hh from the cut off to 5100 at 12/2400/300 from 210k and the villain who had qualified on stars and was from Holland decided to 3b from the sb to 15000.  He covered me by about 30k so I felt we were both deep enough to call here and play a pot in position with some nice suited connectors so I called to see a flop of

          6d 2h 3c (33600)

          The villain cbets 24k which felt a touch big but we have top pair and back doors so calling felt like the better option although raising might also be good to protect and control but I called and we saw the

          kh (71600)

          The villain quickly bet 35k and this is always just a call imo so I called and I decided to watch my oppo as the dealer dealt the river to watch his reaction and for to have to act before I have seen the river so after the dealer turned the card he thought for a second and bet out 75k (I had 135k total) and out of the corner of my eye I saw it was a black card but as I turned my head I saw it was the 6s

          So we can call or raise all in. Now I don't think about hands like some of the sickos on here and probs think about ranges in different way to them when I see them write up hands in pha but we all think about them indirectly so in my head as he has 3b from the sb and I hadn't done anything ool in the first 90 mins of play I didn't think he should have a 6 very often and if he has KK then gl and again in my head 33/22 should just peel pre as were deep enough, so I value jammed the extra 65k and he tanked for 4-5 minutes before saying he can't pass his hand and called with 46cc so I scooped with my 7h kicker playing and a few hands later when I relieved him of the rest of his soldiers he was able to go to his mates and tell them a bad beat story that they should listen to but obv they will probably tell him that's you get for 3betting really light vs an older guy who doesn't like folding much.

          Gl us today team.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on April 19, 2015, 10:20:43 AM
          Best of luck today Rich

          Table 0
          Adam Kossew, United Kingdom, 706,000
          Richard Blacklock, United Kingdom, 523,000
          Ben Longstaff, United Kingdom, 344,000
          Jeremy Betts, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 1,040,000
          Dara Davey, Ireland, PokerStars Player, 820,000
          Patrick Clarke, Ireland, 1,404,000
          Marc Hunter, United Kingdom, 1,291,000

          Table 11
          Remigiusz Wyrzykiewicz, Poland, 726,000
          Ben Vinson, United Kingdom, 1,114,000
          Andrew Hulme, United Kingdom, 210,000
          Chris Gordon, United Kingdom, 466,000
          Richard Jones, United Kingdom, 1,465,000
          Jimmy Cinquemani, United Kingdom, 1,100,000
          Morten Mortensen, Denmark, 369,000

          Table 12
          Juan Benito, Spain, PokerStars Qualifier, 922,000
          Trevor Pearson, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 435,000
          Adam Bilcock, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 828,000
          Nicolas Mclellan, United Kingdom, 700,000
          Sergio Aido, Spain, 669,000
          Sunil Pancholi, United Kingdom, 557,000
          Prassanna Suryanarayanan, United Kingdom, 547,000

          Table 13
          Soleiman Masud, United Kingdom, 524,000
          Guy Taylor, United Kingdom, 352,000
          Kuljinder Sidhu, United Kingdom, 416,000
          Krzysztof Jacyk, Poland, PokerStars Qualifier, 615,000
          Algernon Buchanan, United Kingdom, 538,000
          Daniel Merrilees, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 400,000
          Zeljko Adzaga, Croatia, PokerStars Qualifier, 231,000
          Robert Moss, United Kingdom, 142,000

          Table 14
          Luke Perrott, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 466,000
          David Clarkson, United Kingdom, 1,715,000
          Raul Martinez, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 828,000
          Kestutis Kristapaitis, Lithuania, 623,000
          Sam Mitten-laurence, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 495,000
          Foyzul Hussein, United Kingdom, PokerStars Qualifier, 372,000
          Usman Siddique, United Kingdom, 1,113,000
          Michiel Jonker, Netherlands, 367,000


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on April 19, 2015, 10:36:25 AM
          GL Ricardo!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 19, 2015, 10:37:22 AM
          Gl gl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bookiebasher on April 19, 2015, 10:53:25 AM
          Good luck Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on April 19, 2015, 10:56:36 AM
          Good luck today Rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on April 19, 2015, 11:08:31 AM
          Pob Lwc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on April 19, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
          GL Ricardo!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 19, 2015, 11:14:08 AM
          Good luck, enjoyed the tournament report! Go win the world!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kev B on April 19, 2015, 11:28:54 AM
          Best of luck Rich. Bink the lot.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on April 19, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
          Good luck today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 19, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
          You'd have to say there was more than a passing resemblance.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tom_Morris


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
          Thx for all the gl's were just starting off


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on April 19, 2015, 12:57:50 PM
          Gogogogo Eso of Kral.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 19, 2015, 01:20:38 PM
          Good luck mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 19, 2015, 01:34:53 PM
          Play well Richard

          and run like God


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
          Pretty uneventful first level where I just folded and bled chips but at least the dealer kept me out of trouble so now have 14bbs at 12/24k with 31 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 01:54:15 PM
          390k after sb makes up we check Q8cc and flop 78K one club and call a 40k bet to see the A turn which we both check and on a K river its checked and were good


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 02:14:45 PM
          Busto  get 12 bbs in with 55 vs JJ and don't get there   Cashed for £5090 so will message people later about returns once I've worked them out as some of you just had main event   Thx for those that had a piece plus I'm now gonna show Tikay how to play Omaha


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 19, 2015, 02:31:27 PM
          Well played mate, and unlucky.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on April 19, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
          Well played mate, and unlucky.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on April 19, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
          Unlucky pal


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Pinchop73 on April 19, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
          Great run pal


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Omm on April 19, 2015, 03:15:32 PM
          great run, unlucky for the massive score and its been great to follow your progress.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 09:49:22 PM
          We're currently on the bubble in the Omaha with above avg so are hoping for a double flag day :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 10:09:24 PM
          Got 115k at 2/4k with avg 89k and 2 shorties on a table including luminaries such as Trumper, Marcel Luske, Frankie and Rana


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: jakally on April 19, 2015, 10:24:11 PM
          Got 115k at 2/4k with avg 89k and 2 shorties on a table including luminaries such as Trumper, Marcel Luske, Frankie and Rana

          Sounds like poker heaven. Good luck.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 10:29:05 PM
          Got 115k at 2/4k with avg 89k and 2 shorties on a table including luminaries such as Trumper, Marcel Luske, Frankie and Rana

          Sounds like poker heaven. Good luck.
          Cheers mate

          Just flopped quads which is apparently pretty good in this game ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 19, 2015, 10:32:35 PM
          Got 115k at 2/4k with avg 89k and 2 shorties on a table including luminaries such as Trumper, Marcel Luske, Frankie and Rana

          Sounds like poker heaven. Good luck.
          Cheers mate

          Just flopped quads which is apparently pretty good in this game ;)

          Much better than being dealt them, that's for sure


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
          Got 115k at 2/4k with avg 89k and 2 shorties on a table including luminaries such as Trumper, Marcel Luske, Frankie and Rana

          Sounds like poker heaven. Good luck.
          Cheers mate

          Just flopped quads which is apparently pretty good in this game ;)

          Much better than being dealt them, that's for sure
          <3 flags!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
          Just got quads again. Easy game this Omaha!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 10:52:57 PM
          265k of the 624k in play and were 5 handed



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on April 19, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
          TID ESO


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 19, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
          TID ESO
          4 handed now


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 19, 2015, 11:09:18 PM
          Git 'er done!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 19, 2015, 11:15:34 PM
          nice1  tid


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 19, 2015, 11:30:20 PM
          Glad to hear that you were paying attention earlier when I offered you a few pearls of wisdom before I took my leave somewhat prematurely.

          GL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kev B on April 19, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
          TID ESO

          Surely you're due quads again. Been several posts since you last had them.  ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 20, 2015, 12:07:29 AM
          So getting nipped.

          Good luck mate x❤️X


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 20, 2015, 12:34:28 AM
          Only a podium for the fans unfortunately as once over a bag was locked up we played a big pot with red double suited J775 on the button vs Marcel and flopped J46hh and got it in but Marcel had JJxx and we turned the Qd to give us even more equity but bricked river :(

          Cheers for the rail this weekend!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 20, 2015, 12:35:59 AM
          Useless


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on April 20, 2015, 02:03:14 AM
          Nice week, and cashes, very well played.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 20, 2015, 01:38:19 PM
          Useless

          :D

          Well played again, Rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 01:49:42 PM
          Table 2/7 today 1a up in Bonny Scotland!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 23, 2015, 01:58:51 PM
          Table 2/7 today 1a up in Bonny Scotland!

          These estate agents don't half get about ;)

          GL!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 23, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
          gl bud. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 02:41:31 PM
          Table 2/7 today 1a up in Bonny Scotland!

          These estate agents don't half get about ;)

          GL!
          gl bud. 
          Cheers guys, this is a split business/leisure trip ;)

          Table was ok then Fett and Robbie Bull sat down and when Fett got moved they replaced him with Vamplew


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 03:42:10 PM
          17.5k at first break from 20k ss


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 23, 2015, 04:19:39 PM
          Where are you playing?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 04:28:28 PM
          Where are you playing?
          Edinburgh at the Maybury in the Gukpt £550 comp, a pretty minus Ev trip for me (backers get it ok obv) as 6hr drive and comping Vinny food but staying with Verndog and Rehman in a pretty suite appt that worked out at £27.5 per night each (will update in full after the weekend) plus I love Edinburgh so it's all good.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 04:39:23 PM
          15k from 20k but just moved tables which looks a much better table and we have 15mins left of 75/150


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 23, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
          Pizzled buying me dinner tonight, so you can relax.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 23, 2015, 05:36:52 PM
          Nice, Good Luck.

          Was thinking of playing this leg back in Jan. Concluded it was just too far. Like you said great for the backers if you bink another decent cash!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 06:02:48 PM
          Dbld hand before the break when lee Taylor opened to 450 and we peel K9cc in co, makka Hussein calls btn and we see flop 962rb  lee bets 800 we call as does Makka, turn Jd which checks to Makka who bets 1400 and we call to see Kd river which brings diamonds in and I chk and he sets me in. Eventually I call as it's such a big overbet and I didn't drive 7hours to fold 2pair and were good vs 77 so have 31.7 at dinner going back 150/300/25


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on April 23, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
          Lol, like you would have folded if the river wasn't a king.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 23, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
           What happened to Slovakia?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 06:55:56 PM
          What happened to Slovakia?
          Vincent Calenti!

          Oh and a bit of work that cropped up that meant it made sense for me to stay in UK and Petra, my mum and the kids to go to see the outlaws.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 23, 2015, 08:03:15 PM
          What happened to Slovakia?
          Vincent Calenti!

          Oh and a bit of work that cropped up that meant it made sense for me to stay in UK and Petra, my mum and the kids to go to see the outlaws.


          For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that Vincent Calenti had eaten Slovakia.

          GL mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
          What happened to Slovakia?
          Vincent Calenti!

          Oh and a bit of work that cropped up that meant it made sense for me to stay in UK and Petra, my mum and the kids to go to see the outlaws.


          For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that Vincent Calenti had eaten Slovakia.

          GL mate.
          He would try if it was free...

          Doubled up to 59k at 150/300/25. Chinese guy opens utg to 800 we find 2 black Aces in MP and 3b to 2050 and sb calls as does villain and we flop AK9hh and sb cks with villain betting 5000 so we rip it in for 17k more and he snaps with AK (no hearts) to give us a pretty sweat free runout.  Then ko Fett who was short after open 910cc and he jams 10bbs we flop pretty good on 9xxcc and turn him dead so now have 65k with 15 mins of 150/300/25 left and 3 levels after that today


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 23, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
          What happened to Slovakia?
          Vincent Calenti!

          Oh and a bit of work that cropped up that meant it made sense for me to stay in UK and Petra, my mum and the kids to go to see the outlaws.


          For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that Vincent Calenti had eaten Slovakia.

          GL mate.
          He would try if it was free...

          Doubled up to 59k at 150/300/25. Chinese guy opens utg to 800 we find 2 black Aces in MP and 3b to 2050 and sb calls as does villain and we flop AK9hh and sb cks with villain betting 5000 so we rip it in for 17k more and he snaps with AK (no hearts) to give us a pretty sweat free runout.  Then ko Fett who was short after open 910cc and he jams 10bbs we flop pretty good on 9xxcc and turn him dead so now have 65k with 15 mins of 150/300/25 left and 3 levels after that today

          Toasty!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 23, 2015, 08:37:55 PM
          Swerving Vinnie, and on a spin up!

          #wal


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 10:10:34 PM
          76k just into 3/600/75 with this and one more level today to play


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 23, 2015, 11:01:43 PM
          75k at last break of day going back to 4/8/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 24, 2015, 12:24:36 AM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 24, 2015, 12:27:50 AM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!

          Live pro!!  Different class son.   Please take one of these feckers down as you keep getting close. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 24, 2015, 12:33:47 AM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!

          Live pro!!  Different class son.   Please take one of these feckers down as you keep getting close. 

          ^^

          Make Vinny pay for dinner too, although winning the comp would probably be an easier task ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 24, 2015, 01:01:12 AM
          just listened to the guy on the tower interview on the gukpt blog moaning about running ak into AA on the akx board.  What a life you lead!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 24, 2015, 01:27:27 AM
          just listened to the guy on the tower interview on the gukpt blog moaning about running ak into AA on the akx board.  What a life you lead!
          I've not listened to it yet ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 24, 2015, 03:07:35 AM
          Currently railing the Omaha side event where I bought 40% of Rehman and then when there was Vern and Pizzled from blonde left in with 15 left I did a strategic swap so have 30% of Reh and 5% of Vern with them itm and down to 6players with £2k uptop.

          Obv Pizz is currently on the wheel of fortune but has 10 of Reh and 5 of Vern in swaps


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 24, 2015, 07:19:11 AM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!


          WPWP

          Edinburgh is a wonderful city to wander in, especially once you've got away from Princes Street and George Street.
          As a purveyor of property I think you'll find Mary King's Close interesting.
          http://www.realmarykingsclose.com


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 24, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!


          WPWP

          Edinburgh is a wonderful city to wander in, especially once you've got away from Princes Street and George Street.
          As a purveyor of property I think you'll find Mary King's Close interesting.
          http://www.realmarykingsclose.com

          Cheers David, I am definitely going to do a bit of exploring today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on April 24, 2015, 02:32:21 PM
          Bagged 75800 going back on Saturday at 5/1000/100  1pm start

          Probs going to have to do some touristy stuff tomorrow now as never made a day2 in Edinburgh before on the first bullet!


          WPWP

          Edinburgh is a wonderful city to wander in, especially once you've got away from Princes Street and George Street.
          As a purveyor of property I think you'll find Mary King's Close interesting.
          http://www.realmarykingsclose.com

          Cheers David, I am definitely going to do a bit of exploring today.

          If you fancy a spot of stand up, The Stand in Edinburgh offers a consistently good night.


          Qualifier: If you would pay to see Michael McIntyre or indeed any comedian in an arena then this might not be true.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 03:13:36 AM
          Had a nice little walk around Edinburgh today and then came to the Casino at 7 to rail the boys and regged the Bounty side event, snap exiting but re-entered and we're currently on the bubble with 4 bounties and whilst it's not the biggest amount uptop due to half the prizepool being in bounties there is still the Scottish flag to gain and if we do bink it a trophy ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 03:20:57 AM
          Whilst typing we get "the Beltons" (QQ) in vs KK for a 35% of the chips in play 6 handed which is in the money and don't get there

          It's bloody hard to win with the Beltons!

          Flag tho!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 01:40:15 PM
          5th last night but we've just started day2 now

          Table 4/1 for day 2 82 left paying 20 and min is £1250 with 33k uptop and 9 levels today

          We have 76k with the avg at 56800 and blinds at 5/1000/100

          Just Fett on the table who we know


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 25, 2015, 02:24:55 PM
          any gossip on why one of the overnight chip leaders was disqualified prior to day 2 starting?  Sounds dodgy as feck.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on April 25, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
          Good luck today, Rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 02:37:50 PM
          Day 2. Fold for 2 orbits then open 10Jo MP to 2200 which is flatted behind and shortie rips for 9k more and we call off (probs tez) getting nearly 2/1 but KQo holds on a low board so have 60k
          Win 2small pots one were we peel 1.5bb with 22 to an hj open and btn peel and its checked to river with us good on o board of 975AK to have 69k going into 6/1200/100


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 02:44:48 PM
          Good luck today, Rich!
          Cheers bud

          any gossip on why one of the overnight chip leaders was disqualified prior to day 2 starting?  Sounds dodgy as feck.
          Yh apparently he was barred a month ago from another G casino in town and turned up yday but it didn't flag up and he played the comp bagging up the chip lead from 1b but after the day1 he sat in the cash game and ironed out some money and went to the cash desk to withdraw some money and it flagged up on the cash desk system he was barred and they DQ'd him without giving him his £550 back


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 25, 2015, 02:48:25 PM
          Good luck today, Rich!
          Cheers bud

          any gossip on why one of the overnight chip leaders was disqualified prior to day 2 starting?  Sounds dodgy as feck.
          Yh apparently he was barred a month ago from another G casino in town and turned up yday but it didn't flag up and he played the comp bagging up the chip lead from 1b but after the day1 he sat in the cash game and ironed out some money and went to the cash desk to withdraw some money and it flagged up on the cash desk system he was barred and they DQ'd him without giving him his £550 back

          Interesting.  GL to you, Beevers and Kimber.  Hope one of you take it down.  And the king of Nando's as well!  How could i forget him when he runs the LMS comp which i am going to win!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
          30 mins into 6/1200/100 we have 60k
          Open 66 to 2700 and get peeled by btn flop 589dd we cbet 3k which is called turn J we check call 5500 and river 2s is chk chk losing to QJo
          48k at same blinds
          Find KK utg on Fetts bb and open to 3k which he calls to see JJ5 which I decide to go for 2 streets on turn and river with the board run out Q 8 to have 59.8k at first break going back to 8/1600/200


          Kimber and Pizzled on the feature table next


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
          Level 8/1600
          Lose a big pot with A5cc after peeling an utg1 open otb and flop AQ7 one club. Call cb of 6500 and turn of 12k on a 4 turn and shoulda found the jam on a 9 river after it checked to me but I checked back and lost vs A8o so have 40k with 30 mins of 8/1600/200 left with 61 left and avg at 74.5k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 04:50:57 PM
          Down to 20k at 8/1600 but we manage to small ball back to 30k then limp 10Jdd otb from 19bbs as didn't want to get 3b off and win the pot otf. Then 3b rip 20bbs off a Fett 3.1x open ( he's opening to 5k at 1600bb) with JJ and he folds so have 42k again now

          Then
          49k after Fett limps button and we check option w 810o and he checks flop bets turn small and 2bb on river on board of Q73hh 8 5h we just ck call turn n river


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 04:58:24 PM
          48k blinds just gone 1/2000/200

          53left avg 85k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 05:16:03 PM
          66.5k after utg opens to 7.5 and we find KK otb and make it 18k to leave 21k back which is called but folds to the flop jam on Q84 so we're now inside the top 50


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 05:42:01 PM
          78k with 15mins of 1/2000 after open 79hh to 4500 in MP and get flatted behind and btn and Fett and we see a flop of 78Khdd which we all check to see the 4c turn and we all check again which brings the 2c river and they fold to a bet of 5400


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
          73.5k at dinner back at 6pm
          43 left avg 105k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 25, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
          Goooooooo Eso  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 06:50:01 PM
          Goooooooo Eso  ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader;
          Cheers Ralph

          85k after we win first hand back from dinner


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: George2Loose on April 25, 2015, 06:52:11 PM
          Vin still in? Ludo and Fett? Do it for the English Eso!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 07:10:03 PM
          Vin still in? Ludo and Fett? Do it for the English Eso!
          Fett only one in but short on my table

          Back to 67k after we open n call off A10ss vs shortie reshove for 9bbs total

          Kimber has chunks, Lee Taylor and James Mitchell still in for England

          Oh and Gavin Kan for China


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 07:27:10 PM
          52k with us just about to get the button and 15mins of 12/2400 left

          37left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 07:27:48 PM
          Hello Patrick Leonard ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 07:44:40 PM
          Full double up after open 1010 to 6100 utg and old boy in cutoff put in 5500 and obv hasn't seen we've raised so puts in the extra. We see the flop of 742ssx and bet 7200 and he rips over us putting us in and we hold vs 33 no spades so have 101500 with re blinds just changed to 1500/3000/300  36left avg 125k


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Doobs on April 25, 2015, 07:50:25 PM
          Glgl

          Making me want to play another GUKPT.  Not played one for ages. Maybe 500 is my level these days too. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on April 25, 2015, 07:56:41 PM

          Good Luck Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
          Glgl

          Making me want to play another GUKPT.  Not played one for ages. Maybe 500 is my level these days too. 
          Imo the structure is the best around!

          Yeah you should as I mean there's plenty of other old boys playing too ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 08:46:04 PM

          Good Luck Rich
          Cheers Trevor

          143200 at third break going back 2/4000 32 left 142k avg


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 09:26:55 PM
          28left we still have the same chip stack


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on April 25, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
          live pro!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 09:48:36 PM
          live pro!
          Raise fold QJcc where guy 3b ships for 100k so have 125k with blinds about to go through us and 12 mins of 2/4000/400 left before we go 3/6000/500. 26left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
          We're probs gonna have a sweat on the bubble as we have 112k at 3/6/500 still 26 left and were in the bottom quartile for sure!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:10:21 PM
          25left after Jaffa just bust bvb jammed A7 into KK


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:19:28 PM
          Just jammed 15bbs otb with KJdd and the sb who just won a big pot said "I hate playing the hand after I have won one and that this is probably the tightest fold he has made in 2 days". He folds and the BB then says well you must have had one of my outs and folds showing the As so the sb open shows 1010


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
          24 left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:33:05 PM
          24 left
          23 and were still one of them...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:42:35 PM
          24 left
          23 and were still one of them...
          102k thru the blinds still 23left 18 mins of this level left


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 25, 2015, 10:50:28 PM
          24 left
          23 and were still one of them...
          102k thru the blinds still 23left 18 mins of this level left
          Busto :(  open jammed AQdd for 15bbs in hj and btn found AK and we didn't get there. Will sort returns for those that had pieces of unused bullet on Monday

          Pretty sigh really!!

          Thx again for the rail peeps.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: UgotNuts on April 25, 2015, 11:47:38 PM
          Its been a pretty sick week or so for you. Nice run.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 30, 2015, 06:24:07 PM
          Well it’s been really busy irl since UKIPT Nottingham week so haven’t really had chance to report much so apols for the Tl;Dr...

          I drove up to Nottingham late on the Monday afternoon and checked into my hotel for a couple of nights before attempting to satellite into the High Roller and had sold a small package to my usual investors which included if they wanted the option of H/R satty, Main satty on Tues, Main weds and Friday if required and then the Nottingham Cup if we had bust the main we settled down for the first   satellite and didn’t require the reload which saved a carpet but didn’t yield a seat although the field looked a lot different to other H/R’s I have seen either on UKIPT events or even Sky events.

          I played a bit of cash before retiring for the evening as I had a game of golf booked with Karabiner on Tuesday meaning I had to miss my outing for London/Essex in the footie and instead took a pasting at golf having only played 3 rounds in the past 2 years and Ralph expecting me to play off 14 with him off 12 it was hardly a fair match and I was well and truly hustled out of the same value as the winter allowance he will get in a few months time when the weather turns back ;)

          I have to say though he is a member at a beautiful course called Wollaton Park of which you can see a couple of photo’s below with the last showing Wollaton House? Which Ralph tells me was used in the last Batman film made.

          Pre golf selfie of me with all the gear and no idea..
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Golf%20Selfie.jpg)
          14th fairway
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Golf%2014th%20Fairway.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Golf%20tree%20wood.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Wollaton%20Hall.jpg)


          In the Tuesday evening satty we fared no better than the H/R so I headed off for an early night before the main on Weds where I was hoping to get through on 1 bullet and on sitting down there were only a couple of players I knew being Typhoon, a Swedish H/r and a young mixed games specialist I played with in London and I had position on the latter two so set about trying to accumulate some chips.

          I fluctuated between 20 and 40k and then bled for a couple of levels but eventually after sitting patiently found a guy who also managed to finished in the top 4 or 5 to get it in drawing thin with about 30 mins of the day left to bag up a decent amount for Saturday and headed back down South as I needed to work on Thursday and was also booked to have the beard off.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_4.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_5.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_6.jpg)

          Friday afternoon I set off and having seen a status on FB that Vinny may be in London (it was just Gav messing around) I headed to Luton and though we may catch up but later he phoned me to say he was in Scotland so I stayed in Luton and went to the gym before playing Nirvana’s Friday night comp which was a fairly amateur mistake as I finished 8th at 4am on Saturday morning and by the time I arrived at my hotel again in Nottingham it was 6am and I slept till 11am before heading to DTD to commence day 2 which started on the feature table (no stream) and I managed to win a really big pot where I was all in 15 players off the bubble in an interesting hand (for me) with 67hh having opened the co and then called the proceeding 3b from a dutch guy in the sb to flop 632 with one heart and called his cb to see the Kh turn which he again kept the lead on which now became an auto peel for us and after he bet 60% of my stack on the river I looked to see the 6s river and value jammed to see him tank call 46cc with my 7h playing and scooping a pot that gave us 400k with the avg at 120k.

          I then got a table move back to Trevor’s table and found myself a bit card/spot dead but again found some momentum when making a good call with AQ high vs a guy on the button who eventually took my scalp on day 3 and then found AA vs Ian Bosleys 1010 in the BB where he jammed 25bb’s over my utg raise and we were back in the game but a bad last hour meant I was coming back for Day 3 with just over 20bbs.

          Sunday morning I went to see my brother over in Borrowash as he and his GF had just given birth to a beautiful baby boy called Finlay a couple of days previously so I had become an uncle for the first time so it was good to see them and congratulate him for becoming a dad for the first time which I am sure would have made our Dad really proud.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_7.jpg)

          I bust in 27th in the end later that day which was a bit yeah but sigh as for someone like me who pays 15 comps per year ranging from £300 - £1000 along with 5-6 smaller comps you can never guarantee a deep run so when you bust close to the life changing amounts of money it is always disappointing but at the same time 55% of what we cashed for is still decent enough to take home and it also means that in the last 3 £1k tournies I have played we have finished 11/1000, bust day one in a massive pot 5 mins before the end which would have given us a top 15-20 stack for day 2 and then 27/1026 but I would still dearly love a slightly deeper run.
          I actually think my exit hand was a small mistake coming away and that peeling was by far the better option it is probably close so having busted I decided t snap late reg the Omaha comp in an attempt to get a double flag weekend and despite making all the usual Hold-em player Omaha mistakes I managed to get a decent stack just prior to the bubble bursting and then sailed into the top 3 before getting in all in vs Marcel Luske who eventually won it where pretty much any red card plus an oesd on the river would have given me 85% of the chips in play but alas it was black and not a straightening card so I bust out for just over a grand in that and headed back home.....



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 30, 2015, 06:34:32 PM
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_12.jpg)

          Monday threw up a few issues at work and with my investment ventures so despite being due to fly on Tuesday to Slovakia with Petra, the kids and my Mum I decided I was needed here at the start and the end of that week away so we decided that I would stay back and sort out the work stuff and they would go onwards so I grafted hard for 48 hours and then had a couple of days free before my time was needed again and after Vern had confirmed he fancied a bit of a roadtrip we booked up for Edinburgh for the £500 GUKPT and met on Weds evening for the standard Nando’s with Vinny, Fett, Jaffa and Jeff Buffenburger  and then having checked Vern and Rehfish into our rented appt which worked out at £27.50 each per night for 4 nights we headed over to play the side event which yielded a zero return but I scooped a couple of hundo on the cash after needless stack of vs Vern where I had the obvious set and him just a gutterball that never appeared and we were on form for our day 1’s.

          The appt
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxkaoniLCKY

          My opening table wasn’t ideal and despite only having half the starting stack I was really happy to move to the table next to me which had a load of locals and Lee Taylor so if I could get a few chips I felt really confident of being able to build a stack on this table which was helped even more when I flopped 3 top sets although I lost a load of other annoying pots to bag up 50bbs for day2 and meant I was in Edinburgh on Friday with Vern needing a reload and Reh firing just one and no longer being a degen it was a walk around, a bit of mooching, a few coffees and then I went back for the Bounty Side event and a few beers on the evening whilst they were in the main.

          I love some of the architecture in Edinburgh and there are some fantastic buildings and next time I go the family are defo coming up with me as even the drive from Newcastle into Berwick and then all along the A1 is fantstic with the heather out and a lovely shade of yeloow/orange it is the most amazing drive.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_11.jpg)

          The early stages of the bounty I didn’t play particularly well and just spewed off so re-entered and then found some chips and decided I was going to try and win some bounties and build a stack which we did whilst handing out some severe bust outs to the locals and again sailed through the bubble to receive only the third different national flag on the Herbert but bust in 5th after getting coolered with “The Beltons” vs KK for literally all the chips in play.

          I even met another doplleganger for me when I met my long lost brother Neil!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_13.jpg)

          I felt really good on Saturday and despite chipping down I always felt that if I could chip back up we would have another run and although I was down to 12 bbs with about 40 left I managed to win a couple of pots before getting a gift double through and with Fett on the table who I run extremely well against (admittedly over a small live sample) I was back to average with 27 left when we got broken and I moved from a table I was in control of in terms of players to a table where I was the shortest stack despite being avg and also having to start over again.

          27 down to 24 took ages and with 20 being paid I needed to find either a decent pot, double through or just win the blinds every couple of orbits which I managed to do before unfortunately finding AQdd and walking into AKo and I didn’t gettttttt so it was 23rd and no consecutive double flag weekends with not only that but the thought of a 6 hour drive home not being something to look forward to.

          I actually felt a tad guilty as Max had really missed me and whilst he doesn’t understand “work” yet and what that brings to our family I think he took it really hard that I wasn’t there with them and he was upset when we skyped a few times asking to come home to see Daddy and when they arrived at Luton on Tuesday morning he ran through the gates and didn’t let go of his hug for a full 5 minutes but he was pleased to see a little hot wheels box set I had bought him for looking after the girls which he knows is his job if I am never around and all was forgotten.

          Back in work now and hoping for some news on the restaurant but it's been pretty slow going so will update on this in the next few days...



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on April 30, 2015, 06:37:15 PM
          It's Wollaton Hall and was built c1580-88.

          Proper gothic architecture which is why they used it as the set for Batman 3. They paid the council a fortune to use it and had half of Wollaton Park roped off with security men steering the curious away for six weeks or so.

          I was +8 for the front nine and +5 for the back btw so you only have yourself to blame for not turning me over a la Flushy. :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on April 30, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
          always a good read, and Edinburgh was a good laugh. how did the PLO side event go?
          plus luton 2525 tomorrow? still undecided.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: DrDreh on April 30, 2015, 07:05:55 PM
           3c 3d ?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on April 30, 2015, 07:28:34 PM
          3c 3d ?
          If any one playing Omaha ever folds 3377double suited for 1 bet they should give up the game!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 02, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
          So the bar/restaurant has been stalling and its been mainly down to a couple of the more cautious investors in the group which has meant we have a bit of competition for the venue and I think we are currently being kept at arms length by the landlords as they are trying to get a national chain interested so are not accepting our offer or giving us a timeframe to get the paperwork out.

          I understand their position and because of a bit of procrastination with 2 investors who had pledged quite a chunk of money and then tried to reneg on their %'s and also how much they wanted all parties to put in we lost about 4-5 weeks and no-one wanted to sign the lease until we knew we had all the investment in place hence we are where we are at today.

          Personally I dont think a chain will end up taking the venue as the 3 floor aspect is quite unique and we really should hear something this week as we are ready to press the button on the lease if we actually get another acceptence of the offer previosuly made but I have already been working on a contingency and will be investing in another business venture if this doesnt come off.


          Last night I went to Luton as they had Day 1b of their 25/25 competition and a friend drove there with Verndog coming and a load of other faces old, new and from Blonde there too so having polished off a really nice bottle of wine over dinner and a couple of glasses whilst in the early levels I was loose enough to splash around and managed to solidly chip down to 13k from a 25k ss within a level and a half which gave me precisely one hour to find a double up or to take the re-entry option but finding a "Belton" on the river which gave me a bigger full house followed by running over the table meant I chipped up from 30k at the second break to 100k within about 30 minutes and then after Vern got knocked out he bought me some run good but also saw some classic Estation calls, turning quads and seeing the action go  me check, bet, 3bet me call and a rather sexy check raise on the river vs a vvv good player with 10high which got through to end up bagging 184300 going back on Sunday to 1/2000/200 and leaves us 4/45 so far from the first 2 day 1's and with them already smashing the 25k gtee having made £34k over the 2 days it should be a really healthy prizepool to play for tomorrow.

          I had noticed a guy to my immediate left had his ipad open with my hendonmob up and was linking it to something on FB and 1 minute later I had a text from Vinny in Glasgow saying

          "Someone has just posted your pic on a closed group on FB"

          Me "What closed group is it?"

          Vin "He's a bit of a fanboy"

          Vin "your not in the group but I am and I'm having fun!!"

          At which point I said to Phil next to me "Hi I'm Richard nice to meet you, my friend Vinny says you have said you are sat next to me on FB" and we started chatting and he was a really nice guy but obv Vinny had his few minutes of fame as you can see below :(

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/FB1.png)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/FB2.png)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on May 02, 2015, 05:03:35 PM
           ;ashamed;


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 09, 2015, 02:17:00 PM
          Last week's poker was a bit of a non event in the end after making day 2 of the 25/25 at Luton with dbl average I proceeded to play probably the worst day2 I have played all year, probably in the past 18 months (luckily it was on my own dime) and from a seemingly healthy position just ironed out chips in the early day 2 levels before getting them back and at the early table break I was back above my day 2 starting stack which was still above avg and now we were down to 50 players with 23 paid so were still in with a shot when I got another table break before I needlessly gave away 60% of my stack in a hand that should never have cost me so much.

          I'm always trying out different things in smaller comps to see how certain types of players react to shiz and have been deploying a limping strategy in various positions and against certain stack sizes and on this occasion from the button I was dealt 95ss and with the SB only having 10bbs at 12/2400 I chose to limp when it had folded to me and was folding if Johnny Vac in the SB (tighter than Vinny) jammed and the table chippy was in the BB with me being the effective stack at 70bbs.

          Johnny made a comment about the limp and then folded and the BB who was a polish guy that had in my 15 mins on the table showed up with all types of hands raised to 3.5bb so we called and saw a beautiful flop of 673ss which he led for 5bb and I called to see a brick 2d turn and again he led but this time for 9bigs which I again called and think its fine, and the pot was now 88k.

          The Jh rivered and now the villain checked and I decided to try and bet my way out and bet around 47k but he snapped me off with 99 and I was down to less than average for the first time in 8 levels across the 2 days and then I got moved again and then quickly again and with 30 left needed to find a double through and then maintain to get itm and when Gavlar (Pizzled on here) jammed in early position I called off AKo but was at risk vs his 55 and managed to get there on J26J6 to double up to 20bbs and then found myself spot and card dead as the numbers got down to 27 before making a questionable ship with 14bbs folded to me in the c/o with 44 that I instantly regretted (I mean its never bad but...) and got snapped by QQ in the sb and didnt get for another deep run but no cash.


          This week has been really positive and I should have some news on the Restaurant this week with a meeting booked to see the landlord's and a slightly different proposal in that I hope will be agreed and although it means the timeframes will move back when you consider the work and seasonality we would then not rush to open until the end of Feb 2016 to go through licencing and open at a time when people start to spend but also give us a full season as opposed to rush it open for  the end of the year but have to get through a difficult Jan/Feb when everyone tends to be tighter with their money.

          Today see's mine and Petra 6 year anniversary when pretty much at the time of posting 6 years ago this happened

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPcqIcimBw


          Our mini Wedding DVD.
          It was an amazing day and as many who have been to an eastern european wedding will confirm these guys know how to hold a wedding!!

          We had flown 35 of our friends and family out and they enjoyed a long weekend over with us having flown on the Friday with us providing a coach tour of Bratislava and a group meal on the Friday before the 16 hour wedding and reception that ends with the bride and groom leaving last and we left the castle where we had the reception at 5am that morning just as the band stopped playing.

          We both observe the modern wedding anniversary gift list so last year was "Wood" (in before Vinny) and this year sugar so you get chance to think outside the box for a little gift and then tonight my mum is having the kids and we are going to eat here http://bourgeerestaurants.com/ which is a venue at the top end of the price scale in Southend and can double as a bit of market reasearch against the competition albeit not direct due to price-point.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on May 09, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
          I'm starving after having a look at that menu, will you be going for the tomahawk?

          Love the wedding video, I'm not sure if I've seen it before.

          That lifting up of the bride and groom in chairs also happens at a lot of Jewish weddings which is probably not really that surprising as many came from Eastern Europe, but I had always assumed it was a Jewish rather than an Eastern European tradition.

          Enjoy your evening.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 09, 2015, 06:54:52 PM
          I'm starving after having a look at that menu, will you be going for the tomahawk?

          Love the wedding video, I'm not sure if I've seen it before.

          That lifting up of the bride and groom in chairs also happens at a lot of Jewish weddings which is probably not really that surprising as many came from Eastern Europe, but I had always assumed it was a Jewish rather than an Eastern European tradition.

          Enjoy your evening.
          Cheers Ralph

          I will do a full TR on the dinner ;)

          Yh I have been to a few weddings now and the farmers hat symbolises the fact you will provide for your wife in the future with the bride wearing the maids bonnet to symbolise that she will look after the home and bring up the children and the tradition is at midnight all the "unmarried" girls form a circle around with the candles and then the chaps hoist you up with the happy couple being given one shot of Slivovice (ask FredW or just look back at Alex's montage from 2014) and a shot glass with water in and after you have downed the shot you throw the glasses over your shoulder with it being bad luck if both glasses do not shatter.

          Luckily ours did and then another tradition takes place which is the broom dance with me dancing with a broom whilst the wedding guests throw notes and coins whilst dancing round you in a circle and us sweeping up the glass, notes and coins into a box that the bottom falls out of then another box and 15 mins later you have a few thousand euro ( to start you off as a family), some shrapnel and some broken shot glasses for good measure.

          Another dance then starts with the folk band who play for about 12 hours and stop playing when each of the 4meals served are brought out and when the last guest or bride and groom leave but this dance is where each of the females dance with the groom and vica versa.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: MrDickie on May 12, 2015, 04:59:37 PM
           http://bourgeerestaurants.com/

          I have just booked this for Thursday as was really impressed with their GF menu which MrsD has to worry about each time we go for a meal.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2015, 06:06:21 PM
          http://bourgeerestaurants.com/

          I have just booked this for Thursday as was really impressed with their GF menu which MrsD has to worry about each time we go for a meal.
          It was actually really nice and forutnately for us in Petra's circle of mums n toddlers is one of the owners wives so they treated us accordingly and comped a few things which was very nice of them!

          We went for the French Platter to start with followed by


          The Tomahawk Steak which is served medium (recc'd) and cut off the bone served on the platter in the photo below and we added 1/2 a lobster (must have been a small lobster) with sides of fat cut chips and greens.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/anniversary%20dinner2.jpg) 

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Anniversary%20dinner1.jpg)

          Then Petra had the trio of deserts in shot glasses and I went for the Mars bar cheesecake

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/anniversary%20desert.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mars%20bar%20cheesecake.jpg)

          It's not cheap as you would expect and even with a couple of comped drinks, Gaspacho and a couple of sorbet palate cleanser's the bill still came to £150 pre tip but it was worth it.

          Hope you enjoy MrDickie!  Are you local to Southend then?




          Sunday was spent nice and chilled with a visit to my dad's resting place which Max albeit I am sure doesnt understand fully loves to visit and knows this as Grandad's tree plus a bit of playing in the garden with the kids (this is Max's Den)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLkk4YZ46k0

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Maxs%20den.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on May 12, 2015, 06:24:55 PM
          Your house probably went up more than £150 whilst you were eating it!!  Stop moaning!  ;D

          Loving your dessert btw!  Looks awesome.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2015, 06:34:52 PM
          Your house probably went up more than £150 whilst you were eating it!!  Stop moaning!  ;D

          Loving your dessert btw!  Looks awesome.
          If you ever come out of retirement for live poker or join Dubai down this way I will treat you courtesy of Essex property prices ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: MrDickie on May 12, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
           http://bourgeerestaurants.com/

          I have just booked this for Thursday as was really impressed with their GF menu which MrsD has to worry about each time we go for a meal.
          [/quote]
          Hope you enjoy MrDickie!  Are you local to Southend then?
          [/quote]

          Just outside sunny Basildon but an addicted foodie which is really tough now that MrsD found out that she was allergic to wheat 12 months ago. Thankfully a few restaurants that we like accommodate this and you just have to do a bit of research before going out. We even found a fab GF chippie in Leigh called Fish-a-Licious via google and you have to try it even if your not GF. Everything cooked to order and their chips are amazing. I am salivating over the pics that you posted and will also post a TR on your diary if you don't mind.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 12, 2015, 07:33:00 PM
          http://bourgeerestaurants.com/

          I have just booked this for Thursday as was really impressed with their GF menu which MrsD has to worry about each time we go for a meal.
          Hope you enjoy MrDickie!  Are you local to Southend then?
          [/quote]

          Just outside sunny Basildon but an addicted foodie which is really tough now that MrsD found out that she was allergic to wheat 12 months ago. Thankfully a few restaurants that we like accommodate this and you just have to do a bit of research before going out. We even found a fab GF chippie in Leigh called Fish-a-Licious via google and you have to try it even if your not GF. Everything cooked to order and their chips are amazing. I am salivating over the pics that you posted and will also post a TR on your diary if you don't mind.
          [/quote]
          Yeah of course please feel free!

          I know Fishalicious as it is a few roads down from us on London Road I think?

          Enjoy your evening out on Thursday.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on May 12, 2015, 07:42:16 PM
          http://bourgeerestaurants.com/

          I have just booked this for Thursday as was really impressed with their GF menu which MrsD has to worry about each time we go for a meal.
          Hope you enjoy MrDickie!  Are you local to Southend then?
          [/quote]

          Just outside sunny Basildon but an addicted foodie which is really tough now that MrsD found out that she was allergic to wheat 12 months ago. Thankfully a few restaurants that we like accommodate this and you just have to do a bit of research before going out. We even found a fab GF chippie in Leigh called Fish-a-Licious via google and you have to try it even if your not GF. Everything cooked to order and their chips are amazing. I am salivating over the pics that you posted and will also post a TR on your diary if you don't mind.
          [/quote]

          least that means something good and interesting will be posted on here for a change!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: MrDickie on May 18, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
          Bah…. trip report to Bourgee will have to wait for a while. I booked Thursday off work to visit a friend who was due to have a knee replacement at Southend’s Spire Wellesley Hospital and then kill two birds with one stone and have a nice relaxing meal afterwards. It turns out that the knee op had to be cancelled due her high blood pressure and the weather was so god awful shite so we just didn't feel like going out at all.  Friday was also off work and the weather was a different story altogether, clear blue skies and a really tough round at the London Golf Club http://www.londongolf.co.uk/Golf/International.aspx  .


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 01, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
          Bah…. trip report to Bourgee will have to wait for a while. I booked Thursday off work to visit a friend who was due to have a knee replacement at Southend’s Spire Wellesley Hospital and then kill two birds with one stone and have a nice relaxing meal afterwards. It turns out that the knee op had to be cancelled due her high blood pressure and the weather was so god awful shite so we just didn't feel like going out at all.  Friday was also off work and the weather was a different story altogether, clear blue skies and a really tough round at the London Golf Club http://www.londongolf.co.uk/Golf/International.aspx  .
          Ha no worries put it up whenever you go!

          Not really alot to report to be honest as have been grinding my little nuts off at work and life!

          The Restaurant has come to a bit of a standstill as we are a bit short on funding after having had to walk away from 2 investors after their demands meant we really wouldnt be able to work together so were punting around for other investors and got about enough money sorted to open the place before the landlords became a bit tired of waiting and started to show other people around (I'm sure they had been already) and intimated that they had a "national chain" interested so then wanted to hold off any further negotiation which meant another 3 weeks wait.

          Having spent a load of time in this building there are not too many "Nationals" that I think would be interested that arent already in the town or fit the size of premises/layout so I was hopeful of getting a response and then I got the email saying they were happy to proceed so I started to round up the troops to find that 2 of them had had severe changes of circumstances (which I know to be true as they are linked in a different circle) and another had invested elsewhere due to the wait so as seems to be the case with this project whenver I have had the ££ the landlords have not been ready and when I havent had all the cash they are ready.

          This has meant that we cannot take the gamble on the lease without having the investment so I proposed a different agreement on where we would have a 1 year break clause as well as the other breaks at years 3/5/7/1- and would pay year 1 upfront but wouldnt carry out any building work until we demostrated xxx amount of funding of which we have 60% and I would spend 6 months doing some local "Crowdfunding" events to sell %'s or use a website such as Crowdcube with our plan as locally this building provokes conversation and is used on literature all the time so in my ind it's easier to get 200 people locally to put up a grand to buy a small piece of a business and get some benefits from the business ie 10% off on food or a meal free for bigger investors on a monthly basis plus priority booking etc.

          Basically a few of us were prepared to risk £20k total to give us 12 months to raise about £200k of which I am 100% confident we would do it which means there is no risk to the landlord in terms of touching the premises and they get one year upfront which considering they have now had the building empty for 1 year and have a very hefty mortgage on the building and will now be responsible for business rate you may think would be attractive but they have currently vetoed the idea.

          So it's a case of playing a waiting game and I will chase them in 2 weeks time with the same offer as they are still not under offer! The sad thing is I 100% belive I am the right person to make this happen and get it open but need to prove that to them or win a chunk of money and put my nads on the line!

          I thought I may have got the chance to win a chunk last night as whilst playing event one of my package for this weeks DTD deepstack week I decided to flick in the Big 11 and The Sunday Million now for those that know me they would know I maybe play 50 mtts per year on stars if that and may grind some cash on Sky  every now and again so would hardly be prolific in terms of volume and I reckon I have played the million less than 10 times lifetime and with 1000 left I was in about 750th and was trying to cash as had less than 15 bb's ofr about 2 hours then suddenly heatered and with 200 left was 7/200 and then I lost some and got them back and was 40/96 before making an average call for 12bbs with KJss in the bb and got rivered then lost AQ v A10 to leave me 4 bbs at 20kbb but pulled out a 2015 stop and go to a min open to dbl through and then got back to 500k before losing A10 v AQ me BB vs Btn for 10 bigs and eventually exited in 83rd jamming over an open with my final 12 bigs with K10hh and got looked by AJ which I outflopped but rivered myself 2pair and gave my oppo a straight so cashed for just under $1400.

          This week sees me at DTD on Weds night for the HR and we made day2 of the main with 15 bigs having peaked at around 135k which I would have snap taken but couldnt kick on so will need a spin up on Saturday!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on June 01, 2015, 01:12:22 PM
          Bah…. trip report to Bourgee will have to wait for a while. I booked Thursday off work to visit a friend who was due to have a knee replacement at Southend’s Spire Wellesley Hospital and then kill two birds with one stone and have a nice relaxing meal afterwards. It turns out that the knee op had to be cancelled due her high blood pressure and the weather was so god awful shite so we just didn't feel like going out at all.  Friday was also off work and the weather was a different story altogether, clear blue skies and a really tough round at the London Golf Club http://www.londongolf.co.uk/Golf/International.aspx  .
          Ha no worries put it up whenever you go!

          Not really alot to report to be honest as have been grinding my little nuts off at work and life!

          The Restaurant has come to a bit of a standstill as we are a bit short on funding after having had to walk away from 2 investors after their demands meant we really wouldnt be able to work together so were punting around for other investors and got about enough money sorted to open the place before the landlords became a bit tired of waiting and started to show other people around (I'm sure they had been already) and intimated that they had a "national chain" interested so then wanted to hold off any further negotiation which meant another 3 weeks wait.

          Having spent a load of time in this building there are not too many "Nationals" that I think would be interested that arent already in the town or fit the size of premises/layout so I was hopeful of getting a response and then I got the email saying they were happy to proceed so I started to round up the troops to find that 2 of them had had severe changes of circumstances (which I know to be true as they are linked in a different circle) and another had invested elsewhere due to the wait so as seems to be the case with this project whenver I have had the ££ the landlords have not been ready and when I havent had all the cash they are ready.

          This has meant that we cannot take the gamble on the lease without having the investment so I proposed a different agreement on where we would have a 1 year break clause as well as the other breaks at years 3/5/7/1- and would pay year 1 upfront but wouldnt carry out any building work until we demostrated xxx amount of funding of which we have 60% and I would spend 6 months doing some local "Crowdfunding" events to sell %'s or use a website such as Crowdcube with our plan as locally this building provokes conversation and is used on literature all the time so in my ind it's easier to get 200 people locally to put up a grand to buy a small piece of a business and get some benefits from the business ie 10% off on food or a meal free for bigger investors on a monthly basis plus priority booking etc.

          Basically a few of us were prepared to risk £20k total to give us 12 months to raise about £200k of which I am 100% confident we would do it which means there is no risk to the landlord in terms of touching the premises and they get one year upfront which considering they have now had the building empty for 1 year and have a very hefty mortgage on the building and will now be responsible for business rate you may think would be attractive but they have currently vetoed the idea.

          So it's a case of playing a waiting game and I will chase them in 2 weeks time with the same offer as they are still not under offer! The sad thing is I 100% belive I am the right person to make this happen and get it open but need to prove that to them or win a chunk of money and put my nads on the line!

          I thought I may have got the chance to win a chunk last night as whilst playing event one of my package for this weeks DTD deepstack week I decided to flick in the Big 11 and The Sunday Million now for those that know me they would know I maybe play 50 mtts per year on stars if that and may grind some cash on Sky  every now and again so would hardly be prolific in terms of volume and I reckon I have played the million less than 10 times lifetime and with 1000 left I was in about 750th and was trying to cash as had less than 15 bb's ofr about 2 hours then suddenly heatered and with 200 left was 7/200 and then I lost some and got them back and was 40/96 before making an average call for 12bbs with KJss in the bb and got rivered then lost AQ v A10 to leave me 4 bbs at 20kbb but pulled out a 2015 stop and go to a min open to dbl through and then got back to 500k before losing A10 v AQ me BB vs Btn for 10 bigs and eventually exited in 83rd jamming over an open with my final 12 bigs with K10hh and got looked by AJ which I outflopped but rivered myself 2pair and gave my oppo a straight so cashed for just under $1400.

          This week sees me at DTD on Weds night for the HR and we made day2 of the main with 15 bigs having peaked at around 135k which I would have snap taken but couldnt kick on so will need a spin up on Saturday!

          Sounds like it is a lot easier buying houses in essexshire to make money than opening food gaffs!!!  Sounds an absolute nightmare.  Hope you get it sorted.  I would be tempted to pull the plug tbh. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mikeymike on June 01, 2015, 09:54:03 PM
          you might have already tried this route - but if you only need 200k in total - all main stream banks offer the small loan scheme which is underwritten by the gov - if you or your accountant have put together a strong business plan and you have say 20k capital to put in - the bank lends you 190k in way you can draw down providing you reach your targets - if it all goes belly up - the bank gets it money back from the gov

          only problem is you need to nag the bank as they do not like promoting the scheme

          gl


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 08, 2015, 11:07:43 AM
          you might have already tried this route - but if you only need 200k in total - all main stream banks offer the small loan scheme which is underwritten by the gov - if you or your accountant have put together a strong business plan and you have say 20k capital to put in - the bank lends you 190k in way you can draw down providing you reach your targets - if it all goes belly up - the bank gets it money back from the gov

          only problem is you need to nag the bank as they do not like promoting the scheme

          gl
          Hi Mikey

          Thanks for that and sorry it took me till now to respond to.

          I will look into it further but have a feeling it may affect the SEIS/EIS tax breaks for other investors but will definitely check it out.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 08, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
          Deepstack Weekend

          Well for me it started on the Weds with a drive up to Nottingham after work to play the high roller as part of a package I had sold in the live staking board and had already made day2 with 15 bigs from the first online leg so I really fancied the HR and definitely felt it may represent good value as I sincerely thought it would be rec heavy.

          I was wrong as very few rec recs turned up to play after we had started so my table consisted of Eleanor Gudger, Nish Hindocha (circuit reg), Dan Charlton, Willie Tann who was replaced after a bb move by Warbs, Ben Vinson on his second bullet, Cambridge Al and Liam O'Brien.   In the £1k's I play I rarely feel like the value at the table and whilst I still just played my game I knew it was going to be tough.

          Alex basically kept nicking by button from the hj and I only really had defendable hands so folded some and peeled others and then on my bb he was btn and he opened 90% and again I had really defendable bb hands (as most know I tend to defend pretty wide  ;)  ) and I tended to flop a piece and ended up calling one or 2 streets before folding as his bet sizing vs me and others tended to be pretty big which may or may not be an adjustment he makes in position against sticky players and in other lowlights I got turned or rivered vs Nish who turned out to be my nemesis all day in two pretty sizable pots one were we had 8x on 88J510 and he had turned house.

          I managed to win 2 pots vs Liam both with houses in the first where I rivered a house on a 4 flushing board having peeled a co open otb with 88 and called down on 842hhh 6h 4s and put in a value raise on the river which he folded to and we chatted at the break as he asked me if I had it but he only had a Qhigh flush so folded.  So the next time I rivered a house (yeah yeah I know) when I opened 1010 utg and he peeled from the big and we saw a flop of 108Jcc which I led into and got called the turn bought a Queen iirc and I led small as a blockng type of bet to leave just over pot back but was prepared to check back loads or fold if we didnt house up and he again called to see an 8 river which he checked for a 3rd time and this time based on the other hand I over bet jammed the river which in many rec's cases is never a bluff but I do use it as a bluff too (not that Liam would know this just for the benefit of any readers obv) and after a dwell he called to get us back to 40k but a few hands later I lost one pot to Nish before my exit hand.

          As exits go it was  pretty interesting hand and I think I made a bad river jam (without being results orientated but in game that split second it's different) as with 32k at the start of the hand and the blinds due to go 5/1000 in 5 mins I opened the button when folded to to 1800 with KJhh and Nish 3bet to 4900 which I called and we saw a 9910hh flop and he bet 3500 which was really small so I called and we saw in my eye what was the dream card of the Ah and he now checked to me but I had an awkward stack to pot ratio as now had 24k back and the pot only had 18k in it and i genuinely struggled to find a bet size but ended with 5800 which was called which really should have set alarm bells ringing and on a brock river he again checked and I put my remaining 18k in the pot and he just flicked in a 25 chip which I knew meant GG as he had AA for top boat.

          As I walked to the toilet I knew I should have checked back as apart from AQ with the Qh or AK every other hand that calls the turn is beating me and with no disrespect to Nish I dont think he will 3b too light from the BB and against someone like Alex then maybe I can still go for value so I chalked this down as a mistake to be learnt from.

          As it goes if they do put on the deepstack this month then I think there will be more value in playing it with everyone in Vegas. So back to the hotel I went and with being due to see my brother on thursday I hung around the area and for those that red the staking thread will know I played 1a of Leicesters 25/25 and built a stack for Sunday which meant getting home at 5am on Friday morning in that early morning brightness that we now have and driving past the odd milkman (they do still have them in our town) it reminded me of the good/bad old days when you saw it as a result if you were seeing milkmen on the way home.  This also meant that I got into the house about an hour before Max was going to wake so he became my alarm clock at 6am and I was in the office at 8am as per usual and had a 4pm meeting so had to tough it out till 8pm when I fell asleep and woke ready to attack day 2 at Dusk

           


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 08, 2015, 01:51:22 PM
          Day2 Deepstack

          I didnt really go into Saturday with any great expectations but have been able to spin up stacks since the middle of last year and believe I have a pretty good grind ethic and as I sat down and saw only Middy who I recognised I thought if I could just double up we could have a deep run and as we were on table 12 it was unlikey I would be moving all day.

          I saw some amazing things happen at the poker table during the day and there was one gentleman who really loved the game basically playing any 2 and either getting there with one comedy hand where he called an all in with 5s 7d on a 3 diamond board with no pair or gut shot and the shover had a big pair and as the diamond rolled in he rubbed the guy down by saying "I knew you didnt have a diamond in your hand which was why I called mate".

          He also provided this commentary when another short stack was all in vs me

          335k after open 44 utg to 13k @6k bb and MP jams for 45k total.

          As the cards go over the guy 2 to my right says I passed a four but luckily we were up against AJ and flopped the other 4 on 488

          "I passed a 4 guy" then gives me a fist pump with a big "Yessssssss"


          After we had Ko'd Middy it was all upwards on the chip curve for a long while and we pretty much coasted into the money with the bigger bubble looming at 31 when the next out didnt get a WPT seat for November and was an event I missed last year so it would be good to lock one up early for me and this months staking team.

          Taking Middy's spot now was my good friend Steve O'Keefe who we always have an unwritten swap with if we play the same event and a % of cash works itself one way or another during the year and he came over pretty chipped up and is good banter at the table and sat to my left was a young lady who I had seen before at a Sky event 2 years ago and remember her being pretty smashed and berating of the table at everyone's play which I reminded her of but she took it in good spirits.  We were just chit chatting and someone else asked where I was from so I said Leigh on Sea in Essex and she then asked a few minutes later what I did for a living so I told her I was an Estate Agent (it normally works!) to which she replied "I knew that" and it transpired that she had stumbled across my diary a few months ago and had read the best bits (pages 1-50 imo) and had even taken the time to link it up on FB saying that any degenerate 20 year olds should read it and she said she could really relate to a lot of the stuff in there which was nice to hear.

          Unfortunately she bust without a WPT seat but with a couple of grand and she has quite a game so am sure another opportunity will arise for her and she changed my opinion of her massively from the first time we met!  

          The rest of my day went well and with 40 left I got to 900k so had seat locked but then lost 2 annoying pots to go back to 500k and still felt I would need to win a pot to get a seat and dug in for the grind as I posted here halfway down in the staking thread  http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=65490.75    hand for hand dragged a bit and myself and Steve had a conversation about the seat should not affect things to which I disagreed and am sure I am right as you needed to finish 10th to get the value of the seat if it werent there and therefore it would be bad to dust off a stack and it should be played as a satelite until the seat bubble burst.

          Based on that I made a bad open with AQdd utg1 as the big stack was on the button and put in a hefty 3b and I folded without showing and took a walk round the tables H4H to see that there were 3 shorter than me and one guy had 4bbs so I was inwardly funking for him to bust which eventually he did and then you saw people get in rediculous stacks with very less than average hands as if their whole goal was the seat and had forgot about the £££ uptop and knowing how you can spin up from 1bb as we did at the Sky 6Max I just sat patiently whilst Steve heatered upto 2 million with a few hands of the day left.

          Most of my table knew that I had made day2 of the 25/25 which I think made them think I would just gii light but that was never going to happen but I was AI on the last hand vs Steve when he opened btn and I shipped AQdd and we won the race vs 99 to make back to back Day 3's at DTD and also means that having played 13 Mtt's all year I have now had 7 cashes with 6 flags so am definitely out performing skill level and expectation ;)

          I went to see my brother and my little nephew who is 5-6 weeks old now having had 6 hours sleep (kids get you this way) even though I was in thee comfiest hotel king bed I have slept in for a long while and then rocked up at DTD in good spirits with my 15 bigs which was the same number of bigs that we rocked up 24 hours earlier with.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Iain.jpg)
          Here he is with Finlay (despite the photo he is one year younger than me which obv makes you feel great as for years he used to rib me about me looking old)

          We kept the same tables as the night before and ergo everyone knew about Leicester so they all expected me to be just ripping but they really hadnt thought it through so the very first hand I shipped the button with 15bbs and AJss and got called for 80% of the villains stack with 66 and we won the race to get to 30bb and in with a shot agai but unfortunately we lost a race (hadnt lost many this weekend) for 16bbs Aipf with Ako vs 99 to take a sizeable hit and then peeled for one bb when Tim Blake opened UTG and Steve called the button and we had Q9dd but check folded as we flopped zilch.

          Our exit was a bit boring jamming Q10 for 8bbs otb and getting looked up by Tim with A6cc and were turned pretty thin so exited and said goodbye before driving straight to Leicester where we eventually finished 9th for a bit more dough but not a TOP3!!! Just gotta keep knocking at the door I suppose.

          Whilst driving down I heard Steve had finished 3rd so got a further £1k from our swap which is nice and now apart from some online cash there will be no more live poker until next months deepstack when we will do it all again.

          Thanks for all the nice words and the rail from anyone who I saw or spoke to at the weekend it is really nice to read the texts etc and I look forward to next month to play some live poker again.

          I think I love the game in a good way although I may still seem degenerate to some with multi tabling comps in diff casino's but playing about 20 comps a year across 12 weekends during that year I try to squeeze as much into it as I can.

          #Heart   copyright George2loose    
           
           
            
           


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on June 08, 2015, 03:25:36 PM
          Great write up as ever Rich. Glad to see you patched things up with your bro.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 08, 2015, 03:43:37 PM
          Great write up as ever Rich. Glad to see you patched things up with your bro.
          Cheers Andy, we dont have any properties together now which was probably the main bone of contention so can just be brothers again, and as he has recently had his first baby with Petra doing the photography we have gotten a lot closer again.

          When I go to DTD I always make an effort to go and see them so long may it continue.

          You still rocking the beard mate?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on June 08, 2015, 03:58:21 PM
          Family and business rarely mix well together especially when the personalities are poles apart.

          The beard is still here but will be gone in the next few weeks in time for my holiday. I kind of like it but the wife hates it so it's win win :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 15, 2015, 12:52:04 PM
          Not really done a lot this week apart from work although did take a family day off on Thursday and went to the park a few mins walk up the road and 5 mins from the seafront and it reminded me of how lucky I am to live in the area I do with Leigh Broadway being 5 mins away, the beach 5 mins away and London just 40 mins on the train.

          Heres a couple of vid's of the kids and obligatory selfie of Max with his Callipo ice lolly on a hot day!

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgX61lJF_W8

          The dog loves it too.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQWC_2-Thw

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Max%20selfie.jpg)

          Now that Max understands more you just get really random conversations out of him which I find so funny the things that come into their heads, here he was yesterday as we were on the seafront.

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMzS50EXSuE



          We are currently planning a pretty big extension on our house for next year when we will look to change our 3 bed 1930's semi into a 5 bed by creating 2 double bedrooms in the loft and a bathroom and going out on the side whilst wrapping it round the back to give a bigger kitchen/diner with vaulted ceiling and sexy back enabling the dining room on the back to be solely used as a photography studio.

          It will be a pretty big job and we have decided to move out and rent for a few months whilst the work is done and below are the plans for the extension which will make it big enough for us as a family if indeed we do have another little one in the coming 12-18months and mean we wouldnt have to move by choice as the property will be big enough for us forever and whilst around here everyone wants to move to detached places the location of our home is perfect so we will try and make money through property a different way.
          Just need to wait for the planning permission now...

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Extension.jpg)

          If anyone ever has any property questions then please feel free to ask itt or pm if you want to keep it private as I will always try to help with info or do some research for you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 22, 2015, 01:02:15 PM
          Fathers Day has come and gone and I know Petra likes to be a touch creative in all areas of life so it was no surpise not to receive a standard present but instead get a nice home made painted card from the kids and then using her photography skills managed to get the kids hands still ong enough to create this photo and make a clay decorative slab with "Dad Rocks" on it which was nice.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/fathersday2.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/fathersday1.jpg)

          After Max's football and a spot of lunch we spent the day down at Adventure Island on the seafront with Ivy's first ever rides on the kiddie rollercoaster's (check out the photo on FB) amongst others and whilst there we stumbled across the obligatory "Carnival Games" section and as soon as Max saw the large Minion figure then I knew I was going to be under it to win one with the game in question being the "Throw 2 balls in the bucket with both remaining in there to win a prize"
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/carnival.jpg)
          and at £2 a pop this could have been expensive but after 2 tester goes where I got 1/2 both times we managed to spin two balls in and won this....

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Minion.jpg)

          This was Max's face in the first ride selfie we did as we drive past this place so often and yet he only gets to go a couple of times per year but am sure he will go loads more as he gets older with an annual pass being just £45 which is great value locally.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/first%20ride%20selfie.jpg)

          This week should see me finally hearing on the Smokehouse venue after some communication from the Landlords which will see it go one way or another by Thursday so got my fingers corssed that it's positive news...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: The_nun on June 22, 2015, 01:22:49 PM
          Great pic's.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 11, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
          Well whilst all the bosses are over the pond I am still here in Blighty and life has been it's usual busy self with the tangled web of businesses and my day job as well but I cannot complain so I thought I would do a quick update.

          Last weekend was the deepstack weekend and I had sold a small package of 2 events to the usual punters and despite making day 2 of the HR I bust earlyish on day2 well out of the money so all focus was given to the main which I had already made day 2 with 40 bbs so was hopeful of a deep run however an hour into day 2 I wondered whether I would be entering the 2nd chance as I was up and down like a whores underwear.

          I cannot remember having a day like it tbh and 2 hands in I had moved from 160 > 200k when I made a speculative open with 810cc ( <3 parsley) utg and had to call off a shortie getting just over 2/1 and getting there vs A10o but then lost 3 pots to go 120 > 100 > 66 and found a double vs Trigg with QQ vs A9 before I was moved tables to a great table and double back to 225k but got moved again much to my disappointment when a light went from above our head so they broke us out of order.

          My chip stack continued to fluctuate for the rest of the day until we got around the bubble and I peeled a Guy Taylor open from the co with 99 otb and we saw a 777 flop which got checked from the SB & Guy to me and I led with just Guy calling and I called the 9 in in my head and it duly binked with me keeping the lead but Guy called again after a dwell and I got the impression he was jamming the river which was the 10c and after a dwell he jammed. I called and he insta mucked which meant we would now be itm so could try and get another seat to the WPT in November and a great last level meant we had 3/4 average with 37 left for Sunday and 4/6 day 3's where day 3s are part of the comp in the ones I have played since the back end of last year.

          Day 3 started off slowly and I was texting Spittles and Tom Langley updates throughout and I dont remember having a stack of anything less than 9bbs and no more than 25bbs at any point during the day and my mindset was I was always doubling when required but couldnt find myself with 2 pots together so just kept myself out of trouble as the big bubble for me came up and after only a few hands this time we had locked up the seat and could kick on for a deeper run than last months 21st place finish.  Alas we could only finish 12th but everyone had a sweat and having paid back all the investors they now have pretty much a freeroll in August where I am playing the Deepstack (HR and Main), UKIPT Bristol and then the Sky 6max having broken up the 2nd WPT seat we have won and a small top up from all parties so a good run in one of those will give us a decent profit overall.

          I looked at my records for this year and didnt think I had played as many comps as I had but when I included everything including side events or the odd Luton comp I have now played 18 live comps this year and cashed for 8 times (inc one unreported bowl amount from Luton) so before anyone else says it I am definitely running ahead of expectation ;)


          Also last weekend I bumped into this legend
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/SamMac.jpg)
          It's a good couple of years since I have seen him but I know he had come off the circuit and got a real job in London and now just plays a few times and year and actually looks really healthy for it, he doesnt post much anymore but is SM00035 which I think maybe his age now ;) anyway it was good to see him accumulating chips in the 2nd chance which he won.


          I have been in contact with someone who is probably very similar to how I was when I was in my early 20's and at the start of my degeneracy and they have been asking for advice etc and their story is so close to mine (I obv wont name names but they will know who they are when they read this) and when I look back I hope they manage to get themselves out of the cycle that they are currently in as I said to them as much as I have managed to rebuild and dig myself out of a few scrapes over the past couple I definitely dont think they would want to be me in 15-20 years time.

          Hopefully they will listen to some of the advice I give and will continue to give over the coming months as although when you have an addictive personality there is always that theoretical self destruct button available to press you don't actually need to press it and can lead a fulfilling life without it being boring or you losing your edge!


          Talking of my fulfilling life on my day off last week having been away from the kids for a few days we spent it in Old Leigh which is the quaint fishing village in Leigh on sea and a must visit if you are ever in the area with cobbled streets and little cafes and a couple of top drawer restaurants and being tucked away from Southend you get a better quality of beach visitor with us spending a bit of time eating seafood at the cocklesheds and then the kids walking out on the mud flats with one of their friends as the tide was well out.
          It is one of the things I love about living here by the sea!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mudflats2.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mudflats1.jpg)
          Cockles and Rollmops
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mixed%20Seafood%20and%20Roll%20Mops.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mixed%20seafood.jpg)
          Old Leigh inlet to the estuary
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Old%20Leigh.jpg)

          Work has been really busy with the housing market still taking off down here due to a lack of supply of properties and us currently holding only 25 available in our stock cabinet and every new instruction that is fresh to the market is selling for more than the asking price in 24/48 hours.  EG We placed a house on the market yesterday at 4.45pm and it hasnt even touched the internet yet but these fabulous girls below (Please do not question my recruitment policy!!!) got straight on the phones and today they have had 8 viewings from people who have not even seen the details as we cant be bothered to type them will do them Monday when it's sold and after 2/8 viewings we are currently £15k above the asking price that was set at £450k for a house worth £425k.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Recruitment%20Process.jpg)

          Our half year figures across the 3 offices on residential sales fees only are that we have turned over £600k which is £110k more than at this point last year and our business pipeline is 15% higher than the same period so we are in a healthy position to get close to £1.35million from the 3 offices which will be acceptable but means I may need to recruit again...


          Finally the Restaurant venture is still stalling but mainly as I think I am on the back burner with the landlords who just feed me piecemeal to keep my interest whilst a bigger concern is in negotiation but I am at a point in the next few weeks where my interest in the venture/premises will end and I shall research other places but not in our area.

          This week brings a couple of days at work and then a week in Slovakia to visit the outlaws with Petra and the kids.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: atdc21 on July 11, 2015, 05:21:47 PM
          nice write ups, great kids u got rich, oh and nice staff too :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: The_nun on July 11, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
          Great write up. Love how happy the children look on thier day out, but which one was clever enough to get all thier sick into a tiny carton like that.  ;D :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: OHCARRION on July 22, 2015, 03:57:14 PM
          I just read the first 10 pages and it's good, honest stuff :) GL in the future mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on July 22, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
          I just read the first 10 pages and it's good, honest stuff :) GL in the future mate.
          Thanks very much and welcome to Blonde!

          I literally just got back from a week in Slovakia on a mix of business and pleasure with the family and seeing the in-laws.

          Will put up some pics in the next few days.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 09, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
          Time for an update?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: CatfordFISH on August 10, 2015, 04:55:30 AM
          Defo need an update always enjoy reading about the business ventures!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 10, 2015, 03:22:51 PM
          Time for an update?
          Well as I have not been that active I had better do this in stages.

          After the July deepstack we flew mid month to Slovakia for a week to see Petra's folks and as many know I love Slovakia, especially the villages just out of Bratislava and would happily live over there at some point in my life but that's a tad unrealistic with kids etc atm.

          They live a simple life in many respects and the cost of living is pretty cheap giving a lot of bang for your euro!
          The views from the villages are great and below are a couple of clips of either the roads between the villages or the views from around
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6TiIGIqa3E
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8BHZhlwWU
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoCExoJB4Q

          The kids love it over there and spending time with their Babka and Jedo (Grandma and Grandad) and although Ivy isnt as quick on the uptake as Max was whenever Maria or Jozef ask them something in Slovak (as they dont speak English at all) Max understands and then responds with the answer in English.
          Here they are with Babka and Jedo
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_27.jpg)

          At Petra's sisters having lunch (notice the before and after of Petra's new Elfin haircut) with the potato salad being one prepared with sliced boiled potato's served in a water with pepper, vinegar, sugar and onions (doesnt sound great but tastes incred)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_28.jpg)

          A lot of families have these summer houses that they spend weekends at or if you live in Bratislava central where it's mostly flats and apartments they have these and travel out to for a couple of days at a time.
          Here was a really nice one being built a year ago
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-17.jpg)
          Here it is now
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_21.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpg)

          A lot more of them are a bit more basic
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-12.jpg)

          This is the in-laws one
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image-11.jpg)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKARrvtiMqY
          inside it
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir2b_lHDfk0
          and each weekend they will have a family bbq of sorts using home grown fruit and veg with fish or various meats
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_23.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_24.jpg)

          The weather there as Pads had posted in his blog about Hungary was amazing with it 37/38 degrees every day but its just a shame its land locked :(

          We flew back on the 23rd and it was back to the grind at work...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 10, 2015, 03:48:04 PM
          Work

          Has been pretty crap tbh and I currently feel under a bit of pressure from above so am keeping a fairly low profile as there is a real atmosphere between my MD and me which obv doesn't bode well but he is away till the end of the month on his annual 3 week jaunt to Vale de Lobo but it stems from the end of the first quarter this year where my managers were asking for some marketing help (his domain) as we foresaw the market heating up which means our stock levels drop so we wanted some things to help us stay ahead of the other agents and give us a greater chance of winning the instructions over the other agents and there were things signed off for all three offices (they wanted different things) but by the end of May nothing had been actioned and questions were asked in one of the managers meetings where I asked openly if they would be given some allowance if they missed their targets as the things they wanted were to help them "hit their target" and he said no which didnt go down well with the managers.

          The sad thing is that YTD against 2014 which was a pretty good year and the most we have turned over in the 4 years I have been here, we are £140k ahead on banked business which is a whopping 24% up with our business pipeline (next 3 months banking) 16% ahead of last year so we are likley to turnover £200k+ more than we did in 2014.

          I know that things are not right atm as he has also not paid one of the two "leaflet distribution" invoice's from my company and seems to be avoiding any correspondence on it whilst away which is irritating on a daily basis, not for the money but its like one of those itches you cannot reach but that annoys the hell out of you!


          Business Venture!!

          Well I had confirmation as I was driving to Bristol on Thursday that I had now indeed lost the "Royal Hotel" to another bidder which may be a godsend and then read that some family had taken it and wanted to turn it into a "mediteranan" restaurant which I don't quite get but wish them all the best and will be down there to see what they have done with the venue when they do indeed open and whilst losing the premises was a tad galling the timing may work out ok and I have definitely not lost my enthusiasm for the plan infact I got inspired a couple of weeks ago when whilst in Nottingham I went to Reds True BBQ and these were the guys who first inspired me to make this happen but was the first time I had eaten there and it was just what I wanted to deliver!

          The premises looked great and the food tasted good too, plus I even got the pleasure of Ryan Spittles as my waiter for the day (he plans to give up on the next upswong)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_18.jpg)

          I had the Brisket and my friend had the pulled pork with a side of greens and mac cheese
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_26.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_25.jpg)

          Having been in Bristol and eaten at a few different venues inc this place http://www.zazabazaar.com/ which was actually quite good despite being buffet style,  I am going to do some further work on the plan as if you get this right there is so much business to be had.




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on August 10, 2015, 04:10:08 PM
          I went to Reds 2 weeks ago and have been meaning to do a write up for you.

          Seeing as we had the same meal I wont bother!

          Think you made an error not having the Shipyard Pale Ale though, a most delicious pint.

          Having now eaten at Red's I can happily declare that Rub in Nottingham is shockingly shite in comparison.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 10, 2015, 04:10:45 PM
          I forgot about these photos which merge a bit of Slovakia with last years business venture of the "second hand children's clothes shop" in Petra's village which has now been trading for just under 18 months and continues to produce a profit of 500-800 euro's minimum per month but even if it broke even it would mean that Petra's mum has a job she doesnt need to worry about right on her doorstep.

          They still haven't rendered the front of the building so we dont expect them too now but at 200 euro per month inc electric were pretty cool and although it's pretty basic inside all the villagers know what they get which is good quality second hand clothes from England at a quarter of the price of new clothes over there.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/Shop.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/The%20shop.jpg)

          Due to the amount of stock we hold which Petra gets from one car boot sale per week and a quarterly collection from 2 schools who we act as a clothes bank for they are just about to have a 50% sale to clear a load of stock out and get some fresh stuff in.

          Next door to the shop is a hairdresser and unfortunately not having time to have a clipper before I left home I found out to my cost that a number 2 all over in Slovakia is different to that in England!  Could've been worse I suppose.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/Grade%202.jpg)

          Where we are in the village of Rohoznic there are 6-7 lakes which the locals catch Carp for their Christmas meals and it is such a peaceful place again with people coming and staying for the weekend catching and cooking on the bbq or making a big family sized pot of goulash using the burner in the picture
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/The%20Lakes.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/Lakeside.jpg)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkADTGR3zEk

          A week after getting back it was time for the monthly jaunt upto Nottingham for their deepstack where the staking team had decided to rollover the 2nd WPT seat we had won over for a few events in August starting with that...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 10, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
          Big time live poker pro nowadays. Need to sack off all these sidelines and focus on the real wages. IMO of course.

          Great diary as ever.  Will max ever lose that Barnet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 10, 2015, 04:39:48 PM
          I went to Reds 2 weeks ago and have been meaning to do a write up for you.

          Seeing as we had the same meal I wont bother!

          Think you made an error not having the Shipyard Pale Ale though, a most delicious pint.

          Having now eaten at Red's I can happily declare that Rub in Nottingham is shockingly shite in comparison.
          I did see on FB that you went mate and was going to ask how you got on.

          My conclusion is that if you get it right like "Red's" are then you smash it and if you dont like one by me and that Rub place are'nt then they very easily forgettable!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 10, 2015, 04:44:09 PM
          Big time live poker pro nowadays. Need to sack off all these sidelines and focus on the real wages. IMO of course.

          Great diary as ever.  Will max ever lose that Barnet?
          I'm just lucky mate and dont profess to be any good and over the past year or so have tried to iron out some of the errors I used to make.

          Well whilst you shouldnt say it as a parent (although I suppose it's better me saying it)  Max does have a pretty large noggin under the barnet so I think it's there to stay!

          Plus all the cool kids down here in Leigh on Sea have the "hair" ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 10, 2015, 04:50:39 PM
          Big time live poker pro nowadays. Need to sack off all these sidelines and focus on the real wages. IMO of course.

          Great diary as ever.  Will max ever lose that Barnet?
          I'm just lucky mate and dont profess to be any good and over the past year or so have tried to iron out some of the errors I used to make.

          Well whilst you shouldnt say it as a parent (although I suppose it's better me saying it)  Max does have a pretty large noggin under the barnet so I think it's there to stay!

          Plus all the cool kids down here in Leigh on Sea have the "hair" ;)

          It is no surprise to me that since you had mental coaching for your degenerate ways you have smoked up on the live poker scene.  You massively under rate ur self IMO and you are close to sending me to mental school if It has this much impact on the profits. I think they would say to me ' give up the booze and come back in three months if you still have a problem!'


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 10, 2015, 08:50:37 PM
          Hi Rich, great updates as per usual. Just heard that one of these is opening up by me http://hickorys.co.uk . Happy to give you a write up when it's open.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Kev B on August 10, 2015, 09:44:38 PM
          Loving the family abroad blogging. Great write up and pics.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on August 10, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
          FFS Rich. You're another one who will have to be shoe-horned into my blonde hero section.

          You really have turned your life around.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on August 10, 2015, 10:46:44 PM
          Big time live poker pro nowadays. Need to sack off all these sidelines and focus on the real wages. IMO of course.

          Great diary as ever.  Will max ever lose that Barnet?
          I'm just lucky mate and dont profess to be any good and over the past year or so have tried to iron out some of the errors I used to make.

          Well whilst you shouldnt say it as a parent (although I suppose it's better me saying it)  Max does have a pretty large noggin under the barnet so I think it's there to stay!

          Plus all the cool kids down here in Leigh on Sea have the "hair" ;)

          It is no surprise to me that since you had mental coaching for your degenerate ways you have smoked up on the live poker scene.  You massively under rate ur self IMO and you are close to sending me to mental school if It has this much impact on the profits. I think they would say to me ' give up the booze and come back in three months if you still have a problem!'

          Timing is everything. One of the funniest posts on blonde.

          Really interesting as always Rich and well done on the recent runs. I know just binking one means more to the bank account but I hope you can get past that.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: KarmaDope on August 11, 2015, 05:43:37 PM
          Hi Rich, great updates as per usual. Just heard that one of these is opening up by me http://hickorys.co.uk . Happy to give you a write up when it's open.

          You. Run. So. Good.

          This is my favourite place to eat. Ever.

          And on top of that, they do a lot in the areas they are based - eg in Chester they sponsor the local American Football team (ladies, seniors and Youths!)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 11, 2015, 07:15:12 PM
          Hi Rich, great updates as per usual. Just heard that one of these is opening up by me http://hickorys.co.uk . Happy to give you a write up when it's open.

          You. Run. So. Good.

          This is my favourite place to eat. Ever.

          And on top of that, they do a lot in the areas they are based - eg in Chester they sponsor the local American Football team (ladies, seniors and Youths!)

          Glad to hear it, could really do with some decent eateries around here.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on August 20, 2015, 09:36:33 AM
          Hi Rich, I know you like to be at the cutting edge of house marketing, but would you ever go this far?

          http://www.thisispropology.co.uk

          "We’re a little different. We like to have fun, be a little quirky whilst providing a truly amazing service. We think property has evolved, it’s not all about bricks and mortar. It’s about the things you love, the future, who you want to be, your values, the small things, the big things. It’s about our customers and their dreams.
          Welcome to Propology – please step future
          …"

          They appear to have the one office, in Alnwick. That's way up north from you, you'll have passed it on your way to and from Edinburgh if you drove, or took the train. Not so much if you flew.



          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK5-2fPyCjA


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2015, 01:33:23 PM
          Well what a couple of weeks!!

          I have always strived to be honest with myself and the readers of this diary and about 6-8 weeks ago I took a decision with Petra's understanding that if someone texted me some info or I read something on TFT etc that I would have a punt or two as although I wasnt missing punting I felt there was an edge missing in ME!!!

          So to safeguard everything that I have built up and not to fall back in a hole I set up Petra with access to all my accounts and my online banking password (GG life!) just so that she could check whenever she wanted to basically which in turn keeps me in check and I allowed myself a little roll to play with which turned from a couple of hundred into a grand fairly quickly of which I withdrew half and gave that to the boss.

          Then an amazing set of results happened based on my vision, Trigg which meant that in the past 7-10 days I have had my personal biggest single bet on a horse 3 times (might not be big to some obv and may be massive to others).

          First of all I had watched a maiden race at Goodwood and was impressed by a couple of the runners and noted the names down and watched for them to re-appear along with another horse who showed signs of greeness and whilst waiting for them to come out I had built the monkey roll upto another grand when the following text came in from Trigg

          "Back xxxxxxx today at 5/1"

          "They fancy it strong and I have xxx on"

          So I had £260 win on this good thing and it duly dotted up against the short priced favourite having been backed into 2/1 for a lovely return and a few days later I read something that made me start backing a horse called Mecca's Angel for the Nunthorpe on the Ante Post which was a risk in itself as this horse had been withdrawn from 3 engagements this year where the ground was considered too quick for it to run and if anyone doesnt know unless you get NRNB (non runner no bet) then if it doesnt turn up on the day it's GG monies so within a few days I had amassed £200EW at an average SP of 11/1 and then decided to wait.

          Last week the two horses I had been waiting to come out duly appeared in the entries list and were both running on consecutive nights at Kempton in maidens so I firstly had £150 win on Kasseopia at 5/1 and double on the PLACE (can come 1-3rd) market at 8/11 as I couldnt see it out the frame and texted Trigg to let him know.  The favourite in Kasseopia's race had actually finished behind the one I really liked the look of on the Weds so was hoping for a dece run but obviously wanted Kasseopia to win, anyway Kasseopia was backed throughout the day and finished 11/4 iirc but the fav blew it away by 6 lengths and I waited with anticipation for the prices for Weds as Miss Blondell had finished 1.5 lengths ahead of the fav in the Goodwood race and was down 2 grades llike the one that had just dotted up so when she opened up 11/4 I called in a few favours and within a short space of time had managed to get £600 on at effectively 5/2 which now became my second biggest single bet ever.

          During the Tuesday I had the Met Office Weather Forecast open on in the browser set over YORK RACECOURSE and it was drizzling all day which meant a going change was defo going to happen so I texted Arbboy about an easy back to lay as this horse would go off 6-8/1 and was still available at 12/1 with Paddy Power who unfortunately would only let me put £74 pound odd on it and I had to take some 9/1 and 10/1 elsewhere whilst waiting for Miss Blondell to run.

          Despite looking green around the bend at Kempton she quickened up the straight to win going away by 2 lengths and a few oioi's were heard in the living room and a couple of hours later I left home to head up to Nottingham in great spirits for the Sky 6 max events of which I was playing the main and sides if required and although Petra and the kids were due to come with me for a couple of days she had a couple of work bookings so they stayed back which meant on Thursday I could do some shopping and watch a few races from York before heading to Dusk to play the 6pm flight of the main.

          As avid followers from the start will know, I LOVE a Placepot (only on the big meetings) and permed a few horses up in the tougher races hoping for a result or two having bankered the first 2 favourites and as you can see below I got 3/4 up in a big handicap at big prices and a further couple of double ups which meant I had the pot for £5.40 and picked up about £1500 leaving me even more blessed!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Placepot.jpg)

          The Main event flight was abysmal tbh as it was put back with there only being 6runners as I regged and whilst outside on the phone they then started a bit earlier that they had said and I got back to the table having been blinded away and missed a couple of hands when I wouldnt have played with just 2 tables and would have fired both flights Friday instead (obv had to do that in the end).  I really love the Sky events and they are always played in great spirits with a great bunch of people and across the few days of play I never had a bad table with me playing with a lady who qualified in a freeroll for her first ever live tournament who was obviously very nervous but I am sure enjoyed her experience greatly all the way through to being sat with Fett (keep getting table draws vs him but we run good vs him so it's all good) and some amazing battles with Leon Campbell, Leo Mclean and then in the sides with Paul Jackson, Ian Gascoigne (SORRY MATE) and a young guy who peeled all my opens as I did to him called Chris Dougherty and I have never had so much fun at the tables across the few days of pokering.

          Anyway!
          Come Friday morning I tot up how much I have on Mecca's Angel and it totals £450 EW across sites, slips etc at an average SP of 10/1 and is officially the biggest single on a horse I have placed and I was really confident with the ground that she would be in the first 3 so decided to sweat it and whilst playing the 1pm leg I logged into a site on my phone and watched the race when it eventually went off to see Meccas track the pace with Paul Mulrennan taking a sneaky look across to see where the favourite Acapulco was and despite the other horse trading 1/25 in running when it shot clear a furlong out Meccas Angel came flying through in the last 100 yards to win going away by 2 lengths and get a return of approximately £6000 and I texted Petra to say something really good had happened and I would talk to her on the break.
          These were some of the returns
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mecca1.png)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mecca2.png)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mecca3.png)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mecca4.png)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mecca5.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mecca6.png)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/mecca7.png)

          I didnt manage to get through the 1pm flight which meant it was likely to be a long day as we snap late regged the 6pm flight to try and make day 2 and aim to better our 11th place finish in this event last year. Now for those who notice these things you may have seen a slightly more svelte looking Eso over the past few weeks as I had put on a considerable amount of Timber over the past 6-12 months and had decided to do something about it so have been eating really good and not snacking and also been getting to the gym 3 times a week doing some high intensity circuit training to shift the extra "Terry" that I have put on but I have had a bad back hence the reason I partook in about 2 hours of massage over Fri-Sun which is something I wouldnt normally do (drains the poker economy douc) but needs must and Sofia really sorted me out!

          I managed to make day 2 with 50 odd bigs so was hopeful of a deep run and early on day 2 the deck kinda hit me in the face which meant I got to double average in super quick time and despite the inevitable "Espew" (copyright Celtic) where I took off on the bubble with Q3hh utg we sailed into the money and then rebuilt to make the top 30 and be in with a shot but then we had to grind as we got very few spots eventually busting in 21st for £2500 and a return for my backers in the staking boards of £8250 from effectively a freeroll of a extra WPT seat we won the month before.

          The Saturday football consisted of one bet after a call from big bad "Barry Neville" who told me a football match in England was 100% going to be "both teams to score" and most likely 1-1 and a sea of blue was on oddschecker so we availed ourself of £500 at 4/5 and it finished 1-1!

          After a few hours sleep and following Peter27 in on some of his F1 bets (TYTY) I headed back to dusk to play the 6max Mini event in the turbo which I had chipped up from 50k to 150k by the end of level 3 having decided if you are going to fire 2 bullets in the turbo you may as well bust early so just played uber agg and knocked em bandy but then lost out a bit later on to finish with 106k at 4kbb for day2 but bust in a standard spot having been on the table and introduced myself to the lovely Bromley's (HI) so went to late reg the £10k guaranteed 6max event which was already a few levels in and sat down at the funniest table I have been on in ages.

          Everyone was having a great time with even the dealers getting involved in mine and Chinese Frankies banter and after hovering around SS for ages I realised there were chips to be had here but needed to open up a lot, so just chipped up solidly to amass a decent stack as we broke to 3 tables and then again hovered around the average as we broke to 2 tables which now consisted of Moi, Ian Gascoigne (sorry again) Paul Jackson, Di from Blue Blood, the aforementioned Chris Dougherty and a Leicester cash game reg and as the blinds started to get hot and only 6 people getting any money I managed to first of all double through GAS1 with KK vs his 1010 all in on a 6 high board and then double him back his 99 vs my A10hh with the first two cards out being the sweaty 5h 7h but bricks after and with me about to have 20bbs in 5 mins Di Farrell open shipped 42k at 8k bb and Ian 3b to 120k with 45k back and I had AQo and decided this was an opportunity to get an FT stack so I asked Ian what he had back to which he replied

          Well I'm not folding and if you have Aces then so be it!

          Never one to shirk a challenge I thought if we bust I am in bed back in Essex at 2am and if not then we may earn some more £££ so reshipped and Ian snapped and were on the backs in pretty bad shape vs Ian's "KINGS" and DI's AKdd but this is 2015 Eso and despite Ian's protestations of "dont do it George" he managed to roll out the board of   5   A   A   2   2   meaning that not only did we scoop the main but also miraculously chopped Di's side pot and could then set about making the FT which would be the bubble with 6 paid and obv 6max finals being 7 handed.

          We managed to make the FT 4/7 and picked a few spots to maintain until the Cash reg bust and we were gtd £600 but we didnt want that and then despite a guy called Luigi chipping up and busting people I chipped up vs him and others and eventually bust Waco from Sky to leave us 3 handed with Di immediately asking for a deal which I said no and when Luigi knocked her out there was just Us and Davide the dealer and Mitch, Nick Hicks and Giblin playing various punting games before going home and when they left having started heads up with 900k vs 2million of Luigi I managed to chip him down before peeling a button open with 67o and flopping A76 doubling through vs A10 and holding to get him 2.1 million to 800k and when he got back to 1.1mill we got it in where I opened A7ss and he shipped over the top 40bbs and we snapped off to the races vs 55 and was hopeful on the JJ6sxx board but we bricked to reverse positions and despite getting just under level again the deck hit him harder at 4.45am to 5.05am eventually me ripping 14bbs with K3dd but him waking up with A10 and holding (luckily there was no trophy) but we won a further £2250 to add to the weeks spoils which must be my biggest ever month totalling over £16500 in returns plus another WPT seat for the boys.

          I left DTD at 5.10am and managed to catch all the traffice going to work at the bottom end of the M1 getting home at 8.30 and a quick shave and shower after a 10 minute love in with Petra and the kids meant I was sat at the desk at 9.20am.

          Hanging now though!! 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on August 24, 2015, 01:41:23 PM
          Who had August in the 'Eso finds a way back into punting' sweepstake?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on August 24, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
          I think that punting again and winning is the nut worst result, but hey, what do I know.

          I'll be funking for you what ever.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 24, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
          I'm exhausted after reading that post.

          WAFL


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 24, 2015, 01:58:19 PM
          What a great read that was waking up with a Monday morning hangover!  Welcome back to the club son.  Just like page 1 of the diary all over again!   Far more interested in all the losing 'degen' yankees and four folds which were hidden next to the winning bets on the screen shots!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on August 24, 2015, 02:10:01 PM
          <3

          Grats on a sick month.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: ForthThistle on August 24, 2015, 03:15:54 PM
          WAL.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2015, 04:18:21 PM
          Who had August in the 'Eso finds a way back into punting' sweepstake?
          Me iirc!

          I think that punting again and winning is the nut worst result, but hey, what do I know.

          I'll be funking for you what ever.


          DW Tom I wont let you down ;)

          What a great read that was waking up with a Monday morning hangover!  Welcome back to the club son.  Just like page 1 of the diary all over again!   Far more interested in all the losing 'degen' yankees and four folds which were hidden next to the winning bets on the screen shots!!!
          Haha they were Saturday degen bowl yankee to win the world and the Bradshaw bet how I never collected I will never know as had him first scorer Walsall vs Southend and all scores from 2-1 upto 4-2 for the world.

          Lolz at Welcome back but it aint the same if you aint got a bet on it......

          @ Davey, Monda and Ralph TYTY


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on August 24, 2015, 04:29:36 PM
          Was watching the table in that AQ AK KK coup, poker can be brutal! Well played on getting 2nd this morning :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2015, 04:40:38 PM
          I was updating my records for the year and obv this is my best year in terms of numbers of cashes on the herbert mob http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=165320&_ga=1.170919843.2028905214.1440427088 with 10 entries so far and one unrecorded Luton cash and since I have been posting on Blonde I think my game has improved year on year just from speaking to all the people who give you time and discuss hands etc so thank you to all those people.

          Personally I have outperformed my expectations in the events I play as when you just look at the numbers to run deep so often this year has been incredible and that feeling of going deep is really amazing, god only knows what it must feel like in the World Series Main Event (maybe I will find out one day) but these are the numbers and tournaments played so far warts n all

          DTD January Deepstack  - 26/329

          UKIPT London - Bust penultimate level of day 1

          SKy Mini Deepstack - Brick

          Sky Main - Brick

          GPS Southend Main and Side event  - 2 x bricks

          UKIPT Nottingham  - 27/914

          same weekend Luton Side 8th (unrecorded)

          same weekend UKIPT Omaha - 3/47

          GUKPT Edinburgh - 6max - Bricked

          Main - Bust 23/180 with 20 paid

          Bounty Comp - 5/41

          Luton 25/25 - 30/200+ with 23 paid :(

          PP June Deepstack   High Roller - Bust Day 1
          Main  - 21/558
          same weekend 25/25 Leicester 9/107

          PP July Deepstack  High Roller - bust early Day 2
          Main - 12/507

          PP August Deepstack  High Roller - bust Day 1
          Main  -  8/718

          UKIPT Bristol
          Main  - Bust Day 1 early
          Win the button  - Bricked
          Bristol Cup - Unloaded the clip!

          Sky 6Max Week
          Main  -  21/514
          6 Max Mini - Bricked
          6 Max 1 day side  -  2/48

          So that's 25 played this year which seems like chunks and 11 cashes which I am really happy with but having been talking about this with Chuckles yesterday whether it's just a case of sticking at it and hopefully an even deeper run will come in something or if anyone who has played with me recently has picked up anything I am doing that could be good or bad?

          I'm always open to feedback as do strive to improve so please lmk either in here, pm or f2f


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 24, 2015, 04:41:28 PM
          Was watching the table in that AQ AK KK coup, poker can be brutal! Well played on getting 2nd this morning :)
          You should have come to say hello.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on August 24, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
           ;D :)up


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on August 24, 2015, 05:33:47 PM
          Another great read Rich and gratz on the windfall. Can honestly say my stomach is turning though.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on August 24, 2015, 05:42:10 PM
          Was watching the table in that AQ AK KK coup, poker can be brutal! Well played on getting 2nd this morning :)
          You should have come to say hello.

          I did, said "that's a lucky board" but you was in the "zone" :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 24, 2015, 06:36:19 PM


          I'm exhausted after reading that post.

          WAFL


          This


          What a great read that was waking up with a Monday morning hangover!  Welcome back to the club son.  Just like page 1 of the diary all over again!   Far more interested in all the losing 'degen' yankees and four folds which were hidden next to the winning bets on the screen shots!!!

          Obv this, too!



          Great reading, and definitely brightened up the day :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on August 24, 2015, 06:48:08 PM
          Great read Rich, well done on the recent scores.

          Nice to see you on the weekend mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: edgascoigne on August 24, 2015, 08:04:55 PM
          Great to see you hit a rich vein of form.

          Go carefully and steadily punting again and here's wishing all the best from the Gascoigne household (I be the old man had a right moan up!!)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dihard on August 24, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
          Really enjoyed playing with you guys last night and the banter was excellent as was your's, Paul's, Ian's and the other two guys company.  Think you need to master the art of the word 'Boom', seems to work for me.
          Great blog and I'm glad you managed to get home safely with a win under your belt.
          Di


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on August 24, 2015, 11:27:31 PM
          Much love, great post.

          Careful with the punting and hope you keep winning!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on August 25, 2015, 12:33:01 AM
          One for the good guys, keep running well mate. Love the Wrights


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on August 25, 2015, 01:51:26 AM
          Really enjoyed playing with you guys last night and the banter was excellent as was your's, Paul's, Ian's and the other two guys company.  Think you need to master the art of the word 'Boom', seems to work for me.
          Great blog and I'm glad you managed to get home safely with a win under your belt.
          Di

          I know you're new, but calling an essexs guys banter good is grounds for being kicked out! ;) especially when its eso's!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: George2Loose on August 25, 2015, 02:04:37 AM
          Good to see u yesterday mate and well done!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: GreekStein on August 25, 2015, 07:29:45 AM
          Ashamed of myself for not having been a reader of this diary til now!

          Caught up on the last few pages. Congrats on recent successes but....

          Noooooooooooooo @ punting again.

          Don't do it mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Doobs on August 25, 2015, 11:29:39 AM
          Ashamed of myself for not having been a reader of this diary til now!

          Caught up on the last few pages. Congrats on recent successes but....

          Noooooooooooooo @ punting again.

          Don't do it mate!

          Greekstein and RedDog are very right here. 

          I looked through your bets and there is just so much Spew in there.  £500 on both teams to score on the say so of Barry Neville sticks out(maybe I have a bad read?).  But there are multis too, and you must have bet thousands over 2 or 3 days.  That is exactly the stuff that got you in trouble before and you have the kids now.

          You can't bet anywhere close to reponsibly, so you just have to stop.  You are clearly very good at the estate agency stuff and the poker has been going exceptionally well.  That should be more than enough to keep you happy. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: iangascoigne on August 25, 2015, 03:04:49 PM
            The old man is still moaning about it. I mean KK v AK v AQ and you see a flop with not one ace but two. It's rigged this game.
             Nice spending some time with you mate and pleased you cashed. Never been so happy since my mothers funeral.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on August 25, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
          what's happening with the smoke house?  No mention of it recently.  Have you sacked it off?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Longines on August 27, 2015, 01:57:52 PM
          This popped up on a local food blog I follow - https://riponia.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/tatra-eastern-corner - a Slovak bar/restaurant in Leicester. Somewhere to try on the way to DTD?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on August 27, 2015, 02:21:42 PM
          Gavalar... That is all ..........  you Punterrrrrrrr !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 30, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
          Thanks for all the comments and concerns obv's on the punting front, I think a few may have taken it literally especially the amounts gamlbed and if the Tues/Weds night gambles hadn't landed then there certainly wouldn't have been a top up on Mecca's or what seems like a chunk on Barry Neville's say so (I cannot say too much but the match in question was 100% supposed to have both teams to score!)

          Well this week has been interesting and the windfall's may come at a good time as in the past I have posted about my tepid relationship with my MD Anthony and a couple of years ago we had a clash where I offered to resign and despite me being in the wrong at the time he refused and said he needed me as part of his team going forward and even saw me as the future leader of the business and 6 months after our clash I was given the promotion to oversea all 3 offices which took me out of a day to day office roll and with property prices doing well in Essex coupled with a lack of supply we are £150k ahead year to date vs 2014 performance so in good shape.

          However he hasn't had a great year personally where a property deal from 3 years ago came back to bite him on the backside with a settlement required and overall this has left him distant to the business with other things on his mind as well this caused some further friction as our managers started to ask for help on the marketing front (his bit) nothing was forthcoming and at a managers meeting in May things came to a head with since then him being very distant towards me personally.

          Around this time he also took on a expensive life/business coach that works with a few people we are associated with and he started to make sounds of not being happy with what he personally gets out of the business and this coach started to swing him round to stripping some of the senior management costs with him taking more of a day to day role in the business which time will tell if it's the right thing to do but on his return from his 3.5 week family holiday last week and with whilst he was away me being instructed to lay off one of our negs (at the end of her probation period) I feared it wasnt good news to be summonsed to a meeting which was confirmed when I was put at "Risk of redundancy" with my role no longer required which is kinda interesting as it was created for me despite me being happy in my other role doing a bit of both until a year ago.

          I always see things as an opportunity though and back myself to walk into any other role if required so having read through the paperwork involved he asked my thoughts and I told him exactly what I though and was in full control of the meeting with him being quite nervous about it and we cleared a lot of stuff up and at the end despite us due to have a formal meeting at the solicitors on Friday afternoon he asked whether I would meet him at the local David Lloyd club on friday morning for a chat which I agreed to.

          This was an interesting meeting as were both sat in the jacuzzi and talking openly which is something we hadnt done for 6 months and he accepted our current relationship problems are due to how he handled the situation 2 years ago and that he should have handled that and this year better but he wanted to make changes and then he offered me the chance to buy into our 3rd office for a small price.

          The office in question for whatever reason neither he nor I have ever liked (him despite having it for 15 years and me as I have never worked the town although its only 4 miles away) and it is the ugly duckling of the company with no refurb done to the front in the 4 years I have been here so it's branded differently to the rest, anyway he then suggested we cancel the solicitors meeting and postpone it until Weds to give me a chance to think through this opportunity and I rang the manager of the office (whom I rate highly) to see if he would be happy with putting up some cash with us both working that office and retaining 30% each of the profits with a view to us being the first people he could go to if we decided to franchise any other offices locally and we are meeting up tomorrow to discuss the opportunity prior to my meeting with Anthony on Tuesday and then the final solicitors meeting on Weds.

          To be honest I'm pretty cool either way and have decided that whatever happens I am going to take this redundancy and for the next couple of weeks spend some good time with Petra and the kids before Maxwell goes to school for the first time on September 14th with us even  trying to squeeze 5 days either in Slovakia or Spain after the Pokerfest main event next week and then as Max and Ivy go back to school/pre school I am going to take some time and develop my leaflet business inc finishing the website I am 70% done on and try and drive that a bit plus help Petra on her photography business as she time permitting could actually do an awful lot more shoots so we can see how the balance of me being home gives her some flexibility as opposed to only taking shoots on Weds/Sat's when my mum is over with the kids.

          I see everything as an opportunity and fortunately we are ok financially that I don't need to jump into anything for a few months whilst we look for the balance in our lives so its going to be nice to spend some time with Petra, Max and Ivy with a couple of breaks and after Pokerfest next week I am playing Luton 2 weeks after along with a trip to Malta in October where Max is pageboy at my cousins wedding over there so we are flying a week early and I will play some sides and maybe a satty to the Main event of the EPT to tick one off the bucket list as that finishes the day before the wedding which is incred planning on their part.

          I actually felt strangely empowered this week as it was happening and this may be the spur I have needed to drive me forward over the next decade as I really wanted to try and be in a position to retire at 50 so have 9 years to make that goal or get close to it.......

          So having a bit of time to spare over the last couple of days I have been out with the kids and followers will have seen Max on his balance bike over the past couple of years and his first bike with stabilizers he never got on with so we waited until he felt ready to go without them and having bought him a new bike last week here he is with one hours practice, a few frustration tears, a few tumbles but now starting off in the park pretty much on his own.
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCsavw-WznU


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: The_nun on August 30, 2015, 11:04:14 AM
          Fantastic Max, well done.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on September 04, 2015, 08:07:46 PM
          Genuinely pmsl at the last couple of pages.

          Great stuff Rich, glad you've finally come back with a bang :D



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 05, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
          Genuinely pmsl at the last couple of pages.

          Great stuff Rich, glad you've finally come back with a bang :D


          Thanks mate I take it as a compliment ;)

          Anyway there will be some incredible ice cream reporting done on Monday.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on September 05, 2015, 09:19:06 PM
          Genuinely pmsl at the last couple of pages.

          Great stuff Rich, glad you've finally come back with a bang :D


          Thanks mate I take it as a compliment ;)

          Anyway there will be some incredible ice cream reporting done on Monday.....

          I was confident you'd take it the way it was intended :)

          Take it steady mate. As much fun as it is to read about you following Barry Neville dead certs I secretly hope you keep it under control!!




          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: DrDreh on September 05, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
          'Have you ever had those days where you've won so much money, you just don't know how much it is you've won' - Richard Blacklock 05/09/2015 ~ 19:52


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 07, 2015, 11:13:12 AM
          Genuinely pmsl at the last couple of pages.

          Great stuff Rich, glad you've finally come back with a bang :D


          Thanks mate I take it as a compliment ;)

          Anyway there will be some incredible ice cream reporting done on Monday.....

          I was confident you'd take it the way it was intended :)

          Take it steady mate. As much fun as it is to read about you following Barry Neville dead certs I secretly hope you keep it under control!!



          I will come back to this in a combo of posts but everyone can rest assured that there is no way that I will be able to/allowed to dust of any of my recent ill gotten gains in a negative way as once the money had cleared into my account and all stakers were settle I snap transferred a further £7k to Petra's account for safe keeping leaving me my tournie buyins and a £2k buffer which was to be used for hotels this weekend just gone, some punting money and walking around cash.

          Anyway when I last was on I said about my work situation and I will be able to post more on this after next weekend but at the moment I am pretty much on gardening leave so decided to spend a bit of time with the kids and we spent a couple of days at Old Mcdonalds Farm and to a place by Billericay called Barleylands where they have loads of craft centres where kids/adults can make stuff from ceramics, pottery etc as well as a small farm and play area.

          Here are some photos of the days
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_36.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_34.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_31.jpg)

          There was even something for the degens among'st us
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_32.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_33.jpg)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNHW-kod4YQ
          Unfortunately we did'nt pick the winner as had "Where's Wooly" who led all the way to the last hurdle and got picked up over the last by "Wool I AM"

          We even bumped into Pads, JGill and Fedor doing some meditation prior to their Sunday Grind
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_35.jpg)

          After this it was a drive up to Nottingham for the High Roller and Main events which we bricked with full reports in the Live Staking board for those interested but despite losing there it was another decent weekend on the punting front and Petra will be getting cash input over the next few days as despite a losing day mainly down to being given the nod for a horse called Dark Shot in the 6.50 at Kempton which finished 3rd my contact then redeemed himself Saturday when he rang me to say that Zonderland in the 2.50 at Kempton would not get beat so we availed ourselves of the 5/2 available and it was a sea of blue on oddschecker for a while before drifting out to the same price on the off but hosing up quite comfortably.

          There were only a few losers on Saturday with a further £180 on Foundation at 11/8 from the night before cementing what was to be a £6k plus day after this....


          ICE CREAMS around the world should read on but for the pro's reading you may as well stop here.
          I have chatted to people far shrewder than myself about a bet called "Both Teams to Score and Win" and whilst I dont do it every week I know some do and do no more than 4 teams and just do the trebles and a fourfold and on Saturday after the Carlisle bet had been put up I decided to have a stab with some success but in the Cambridge v Luton match I saw the result going either way so did two x £15 lines with both results and as I am golden at the moment Luton at the bigger price prevailed.

          I was in game at DTD and had'nt seen any of the scores until 4.38 when all teams had scored and all my teams were winning but I decided that I was going to wait until the break at 5pm for the real sweat and did it true oldschool style with a bit of paper over the side of the result I wanted to see first and happily found that all had held (in fact 2 had scored 3rd goals) to pick up just over £4500.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_29.jpg)

          After I bust the main event I played the 2nd chance and bust in the final level of the day having ground a short stack for the last couple of levels and bumped into Samuels Grassi (those that know him will know he is a mad Italian ex footballer) and we had a chat about stuff in general and whilst he polarises opinion and there is some negative stuff about him on the interweb if you look deeply enough I like him and so far he hasnt done anything to change that opinion.

          He told me that Italy to him were good things to be winning at HT/FT on Sunday so I had a few pounds on that along with Peter's tips on the F1 with 1 loser and 2 winners but balanced that with one horse loser backing Reputation at York in the first who got chinned in the first and dusted off a couple of bullets in the sides at Dusk before heading home.

          Probably the two funniest things that happened over he weekend were firstly related to this guy
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/kilt.jpg)
          He is known as "Bob The Kilt" and I think is one of the blue bloods and is named so as his name is Bob and he wears a kilt and about 3 levels into the High Roller on Weds evening he was led to the table with 50k in chips and sat down perfectly normal and in the first hand he played he won about 5-6k off JJ Hazzan with a slightly larger bet sizing than you may have expected to see form others in the field.

          And about an orbit later with Bob in the big blind and myself in the SB the following hand played out (nearly), Jack Allen opened utg to 900 at 400bb and Nick Hicks flatted on the button and I found Jacks and just peeled the extra 700 and with action to Bob he threw in a 5k chip announcing "four thousand" in his Scottish accent which was peeled by Jack and then also by Nick,but as Nick went to call the bet the TD came over and tapped Bob on his shoulder and said "Excuse me sir but how much did you pay to enter this tournament?"

          the conversation flowed as follows

          Bob - (better if you read this in a scottish accent)  "Thurty Punds"

          TD - Erm sir I am sorry but you had entered the satelite to the main event which is over in the far corner and this is the High Roller with an entry of £1100!

          At which point I though about jamming as Jack should never have QQ+ there and almost always has AQ/AK and Nick rarely has a value hand so I would have a good chance of scooping some dead money but I asked for a ruling and it was decided that the hand was dead and all bar poor JJ would get their chips back from the hand in question and Bob would be taken out of this tournie and go to his desired one.

          As it goes if I jammed, Jack would have called with AK and we would have held as we ran the board for bants purposes and then carried on but I have never seen that happen at DTD before and what makes it worse I suppose is that the satty has a 20k starting stack and the HR 50k so someone dropped the batton for that to happen.


          The second bit that if you believe in doing someone a good turn and it comes back to you happened on Fri/Sat and maybe the reason we shipped the footie bet as I was sat with a young Russian guy called Aleksandr on Thursday in the main event and he busted and having made Day 2 I was pottering around Nottingham on Friday when I bumped into him and I knew he had bagged over 400k from the 7pm flight so congratulated him and we got chatting with it transpiring he was from St Petersberg and had won tickets to Pokerfest so came to play but had not been to England so travelled alone but his friends had asked him to get a couple of Nottingham Forest shirts for them and he couldnt find them anywhere.

          Being the nice guy that I am I offered to do a bit of research to see if any sports shops locally stocked them and would meet him at Dusk later but I quickly found out that the club shop was the only place to get them so whilst shipping a £330 seat on the Friday evening with nothing else to do I offered to go and meet him at his hotel at 10am Saturday morning and take him to the club shop and then drop him back before we started day 2 and he thanked me with us arranging to meet at 10am.

          Using the sat nav to find his hotel on the other side from where I was, I set off and as it said turn left and in a quarter of a mile your destination is on your right I could see a set of flood lights and thought it could'nt be could it.

          But yes as I picked him up I was laughing and told him that it was going to be a short journey as 400 yards back the way I came was the turning for the club shop and 1 minute later after getting in the car we were getting out and walking into the club shop......

          Karma is a wonderful thing!

          Today having got back from dusk we decided against going to Spain or Slovakia and instead are giving the kids a few days to remember and set off this afternoon with 2 overnight stays firstly at Peppa Pig world in Southampton for a couple of days and then a drive to Alton Towers to spend a further 2 days and nights at the theme park and splash land before GUKPT Luton next week.

          Peace!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 07, 2015, 02:06:45 PM
          Great write up you Punterrrrrrrrrrr !!

          Make the most of those days with the kids... best time of my life family days out when the kids were small  :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: maccol on September 07, 2015, 06:10:03 PM


          Make the most of those days with the kids... best time of my life family days out when the kids were small  :)
          Very much this.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on September 07, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
          Nice write up Rich, you (well the kids) will love Paulton's Park


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: GreekStein on September 07, 2015, 09:58:25 PM
          Great write up and nice touch with the Forest shirts!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on September 08, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
          Nice write up Rich, off to the Palace game Saturday, Jack is so excited as its only his 3rd away game to watch the mighty blues, Taking him around Sight Seeing in London first. That son and Dad think is key  Ad Ks


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on September 08, 2015, 06:44:44 PM
          Good stuff Rich!

          I think Arb would agree that it's a close run thing between you and Cutefish for goldenballs 2015 :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on September 22, 2015, 12:16:55 PM
          So picking up where we left off.

          On return from the poker fest weekend which resulted in bricks in the tournies it was a Monday afternoon drive down to Paultons Park which is in Southampton and the home of Peppa Pig world and I have to say I was most impressed with the immaculate gardens and overall cleanliness in general and the park itself with so much for the kids to do.

          We were pretty blessed with the weather for our few days away and also as most school kids were back at school the crowds were not to big either leaving plenty of time to go on stuff they wanted to with us returning to a hotel for a second night on the Tuesday evening.
          Some photo's of Peppa Pig world.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Teacups.jpg)
          Standard Georgie Pig selfie
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Georgepig.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Bananas.jpg)

          Max's favourite ride that we must have been on 15-20 times per day
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TChNJ7g9aB0

          Then at about 3.30 on the Weds afternoon we set off on the 3 1/2 hour drive upto Alton Towers  <3 and checked into the splashlands hotel for 2 nights and after dinner and an early night we were ready to go!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Alton%20Entrance.jpg)
          Just to the right of where we were stood is the iconic part of the old "Cork Screw" roller coaster that I explained to Max when I was a kid and we used to get taken there during holidays was the best ride they had to offer (how times have changed) albeit we didnt go on to many adult rides this time around as it was for the kids.

          I love Alton Towers and again the gardens are always presented well and albeit the staff may be a tad bored with sometimes them waiting for you to actually have anything to do are always really friendly.
          Love this view as you first enter the park
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/View%20from%20entrance.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mike%20the%20Knight.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Upsy.jpg)

          At about 3 pm on both the Thurs and Fri we headed back to the splashlands aqua park and took advantage of the swimming pools and water slides which the kids absolutely loved and also it knackered them out so that once we had had dinner and a quick story they were ready to nod off and get a good rest before the next day with the final part of our journey on the Friday being a trip sideways to Nottingham for dinner at Reds True BBQ as Petra has not eaten yet in the imo best version of this type of food offered in the UK which also meant we missed most of the traffic heading south for the weekend.


          Monday bought Max's first day of school which some may have seen on FB but if not here he was and he was really keen to start with a pretty easy first week of 8.45 - 11.50 Mon-Weds then Thurs and Fri being 8.45 - 1pm to give them a taste of lunch with this week them being 8.45 - 3pm and gg life for 12 years minimum.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/first%20day%20ay%20school.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/my%20boy.jpg)

          This one however was not so keen on going back to pre school
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/not%20so%20keen.jpg)

          Max has settled in ok so far but has been a bit tearful this past 2 days as we have all taken the walk to school and I think he thinks we just go off and have a good time without him without realising that we take Ivy to pre school before heading home to do some work ourselves and this week instead of it looking like a massive family outing just one of us has taken them.

          The back end of last week was GUKPT Luton and I had two staked events being the £300 side and the £1090 main event which unfortunately we bricked both but having been given a pass out for the evenings I played the £200 6max and finished 5th for £1090 where I played from about 15 players down my absolute best and just got coolered 3 times in massive pots one of which 9 handed I made a call for 1/3 of the chips in play in a 3b pot with 10J on 9102 6 vs a villain who I felt was weak pre flop and flop and turn where he 1.5x pot jammed and I called of good vs 9Q but we didnt hold on the river to leave me short and then chipped back up again only to lose to the same villain AQ v KQ to get us back 2/5 when a king ball hit the river.

          Having bust the main i took a de-tilt entry in the £150 turbo which didnt go well and then on the Saturday played the £200 8 max side and caught some heat in the middle levels just either getting gifted chips or waking up to a hand eg with the avg at 35k I have 50k at the start of the hand and UTG opens, I'm utg1 and find AA and 3b and the button decides he wants to rip for 25k with UTG then calling all in for 20k and we call to be against QQ of utg and JJ of button to see a runout of    Q24 5 A to go big in chips but as the players dwindled and the blinds went up we bled a little as Sicilian came to the table and started roffling around and as the final table bubble burst I was involved in a key hand where I had opened co with A10dd and villain who we had recently made a big bluff on called the button and we saw a flop of J34dd with him raising my cb which we called to see 10s turn and again called just taking the math but as soon as the Jc river came and I checked he snap jammed on me leaving me with the option of calling allin and either having a monster stack or being 6/9 with 7 paid and I decided it would be bad not to cash plus his snap jam didnt look weak so folded and we went to the FT.

          As soon as someone bust the usual Luton bubble saver was offered which was worth £320 so as we were 7-8/9 at this point didnt refuse and then I watched people implode as I just folded and laddered a spot or 2 before another implosion left us 6 handed with me and 3 bbs which I managed a remarkable standard 2015 double up jamming button for 3bbs with J6o and getting looked up by JKo of Chandra and we saw a runout of Kx6x6 and then a few hands later he bust from 3/6 with both myself and Renee really short in an ICM disaster and when she bust I was 4/4 but had £1200 locked up which was where the dream ended when I bust to Rob Garfield leaving Deano the win having played really well.

          So poker wise since the last update we played the HR/Main/2nd Chance at Poker fest and then at Luton £300 side/6max/Main/Bounty and £200 8max meaning 33 tournies this year and once Herbertmob is updated this week hopefully will have cashed 13 times with 12 flags and one unrecorded evnt for the year with a few events left to play.


          There is no change at work and I am still on gardening leave at the moment hoping to resolve this confidentiality agreement in the next few days before looking at the various opportunities and last night we booked a trip to Malta in half term week where we are due there for a family wedding but with EPT Malta on the week before I have been given the pass to fly a few days earlier on Weds 21st with Petra, my mum and the dustbins flying on the 27th and us all flying back together on the 2nd and I will be playing just 2 events being the IPT (UKIPT Equivalent) Main event for 1100euro and my first and possible one of only a handful of lifetime EPT Mains that I am likely to play at 5300 euro and will be selling a package for both at spot later today with me taking 60% as although its a massive one off shot for me I wanted any investors to know that I am taking more pain than they may do if we brick and then after flying back on the 2nd it will be a drive up to Dusk for the WPT where I probably just play the main with the seat won in May.

          Will post in the staking boards later tonight or tomorrow so keep your eyes peeled if you want a punt to bap.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on September 22, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
          How long did it take you to realise you were filming the wrong lane on the dinghy slide? ;)

          What a handsome family you have. There is nothing better than seeing kids smile.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on September 23, 2015, 11:38:14 AM
          oi oi punter...

          Good to see you and witness Sic-Lillian power to more trophies :)

          love the pictures with you and the kids.. truly brings back memories of some of the happiest times of my life.. cherish them mate as they soon grow up to being sullen little gits that hate everything.. (although mine are know where near as sullen and miserable as I was as a teenager :)   )

          Might even buy you dinner next week if your still tending lawns


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
          Heading off to Edinburgh today to play the GPS and buy Vinny a 1/2 yearly Nando's

          Have a small staking team of
          Picken 10%
          Bettsy 10%
          Hicksy 10%
          Rippley 5%
          Redfoxy 5%

          Will update here later for them after regging towards the end of level one (subject to no flight delays!!)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on October 01, 2015, 10:23:40 AM
          Heading off to Edinburgh today to play the GPS and buy Vinny a 1/2 chicken at Nando's

          Have a small staking team of
          Picken 10%
          Bettsy 10%
          Hicksy 10%
          Rippley 5%
          Redfoxy 5%

          Will update here later for them after regging towards the end of level one (subject to no flight delays!!)



          FYP

          GL eso, ship the lot


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 11:41:34 AM
          Heading off to Edinburgh today to play the GPS and buy Vinny a 1/2 chicken at Nando's

          Have a small staking team of
          Picken 10%
          Bettsy 10%
          Hicksy 10%
          Rippley 5%
          Redfoxy 5%

          Will update here later for them after regging towards the end of level one (subject to no flight delays!!)



          FYP

          GL eso, ship the lot
          Cheers Vern, the appt won't be the same without you, Reh and Karen ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
          Were in with 11 mins of level one to go

          Leggo


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on October 01, 2015, 02:41:28 PM
          Were in with 11 mins of level one to go

          Leggo

          If ever a missing apostrophe could change the meaning of a sentence, this was it :)

          GL Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
          Were in with 11 mins of level one to go

          Leggo

          If ever a missing apostrophe could change the meaning of a sentence, this was it :)

          GL Rich
          Haha thanks David, let's try to make day 2 from today and you can give me some more Edinburgh exploration tips for tomorrow like last year ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 03:52:27 PM
          30k from 25k at first break going back to 100/200


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 05:59:18 PM
          Peaked at 32k but now got 24k after we peel A8hh otb to an open of 800 at 300bb and see a flop of A2Jhhx which villain who has limped a lot now bets 1800 and we just call to see another 2 on the turn and after villain checks we do and a great river for one of us rolls off with the Kh appearing and after fiddling with his chops for a while our oppo settles on 4200 and we just call to see him fast roll A2o ftw

          Dinner break in 6mins then going back to 2/400/50


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 06:06:34 PM
          29725 at dinner


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on October 01, 2015, 07:00:58 PM
          GL Rich,Run good


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 07:31:43 PM
          GL Rich,Run good
          Cheers Mike

          Won first pot after dinner to get to 35k but chipped solidly down since but am pretty confident I have made the right folds in game

          22k at 400bb


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 08:53:02 PM
          21k at last break going back for 2 levels starting at 3/600/75

          Today has actually been one big grind with very few hands or decent run outs when we flopped well so am obv hoping to moan in a double up ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 10:05:18 PM
          Down to 13.5k and now back at 26k with 3 mins of 600bb left before last level of 4/800/100 to finish the day


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 10:20:38 PM
          19k after guy limps utg we raise AJo co and btn calls utg raises and we fold then next hand find QQ and open to 2k called by co n both blinds flop KJ2ccx and we check after blinds do intending to call co if he bets and it folds to us but bb calls so we fold and co folded river to a big bet


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 01, 2015, 11:40:33 PM
          Unfortunately I cannot give any epic dust offs or spin up tales as I was all in over a raise and a call for 13.5k with KK and didn't get looked up and ended up grinding out the day with 18400 so 18bbs for Saturday.

          £440 in returns for backers tho as 2nd bullet not used and I won't take advantage of the 2nd chance on Saturday when u can re enter for first level w 25bbs as hopefully we're gonna spin.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on October 02, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
          18BB is plenty to spin up for a master.

          Not sure what the weather is like up there but a trip out to Leith could be nteresting, or maybe check out The Stand for some Friday night comedy.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 02, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
          18BB is plenty to spin up for a master.

          Not sure what the weather is like up there but a trip out to Leith could be nteresting, or maybe check out The Stand for some Friday night comedy.
          Thanks David, I will give it a look.

          We've spin from worse positions over the past 12 months ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
          Day 2 spin up required in Edinburgh and just about to start with 18 bigs and a dream.

          Not a bad table if we can double up!

          Hopefully 11/7 is a good seat


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
          First double up 2 hands in when we open call vs sb with a dead (not arrived) BB there and hold vs AQo flopping him pretty dead on 447 x x

          39k and current tournament peak ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2015, 02:14:42 PM
          Back to 24k open AA with Ac utg2 to 2.5k and get called by table chippy to see 10103ccx which we both check and see the 7c on the turn which villain check calls 3k and then leads for 6k on the off suit King river which we sigh off losing to J4cc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2015, 02:49:24 PM
          22k with blinds just gone 6/1200/200


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 03, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
          And bust after an open and flat otb we ship 14bbs with 99 with the or reshipping it was off to the races vs AK and we didn't win.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on October 03, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
          Unlucky Rich, enjoy the rest of the time in Edin


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RedFox on October 04, 2015, 06:45:10 PM
          Hi Rich

          You might have gathered I didnt get there but after a 10 hour journey last Tuesday from Nottingham to Inverness - nearly 2 hours circumventing the Edinburgh bypass due to an accident I had enough of driving.

          So despite giving up what I thought would be nailed on making the final table for me  ;) decided to enjoy the weekend in Inverness dog walking and watching as much rugby as possible.

          Look forward to your Malta trip and big bucks return from the EPT.

          Cheers

          Malcolm



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 09, 2015, 02:05:22 PM
          Hi Rich

          You might have gathered I didnt get there but after a 10 hour journey last Tuesday from Nottingham to Inverness - nearly 2 hours circumventing the Edinburgh bypass due to an accident I had enough of driving.

          So despite giving up what I thought would be nailed on making the final table for me  ;) decided to enjoy the weekend in Inverness dog walking and watching as much rugby as possible.

          Look forward to your Malta trip and big bucks return from the EPT.

          Cheers

          Malcolm


          Cheers Malcolm, I was hoping to share a beer or two with you and Vinny but obv you were busy and Vinny bluffed he was doing some work!  (Maybe UKIPT in Nov we can catch up)

          So having got back from Edinburgh on Sunday life has been pretty busy as my "gardening leave" has now officially ended and for the first time in 13 years I am officially unemployed so have had to create a CV as my last 3 positions were just done on word of mouth and an interview with the companies approaching me.

          I have only made one call so far as there are only 2-3 companies that I will approach and having met them twice I was offered a position this week which is a backwards step but to take a big forwards step within 6-12 months so I will be going back to them after the weekend and I have a meeting with one of the guys from my old company who was made redundant last week also (current total is 5 inc me in a business that we have grown 20% minimum this year) and we may do something together but will let you know if that turns into anything soon.

          As I said the best thing about this situation was the time I have been able to spend at home with Petra and the kids and we are fortunate that getting straight back into work was not the priority so with Max starting school it's been great to take him to school and drop  Ivy at preschool then pick them up with Petra being able to develop her business a touch by taking more jobs on or doing some extra social media stuff and me some time to research/develop my ideas.

          In non manly stuff I have been able to help a bit more round the house also and cook a bit of dinner here and there (see below) as well as maintain my healthy gym regime which I will post more about in 10 days time just before I head to Malta with some photographic evidence and believe me there are a couple of horrific weighty/podgy photo's of me before I decided in April/May to do something about my expanding waist line.

          We eat pretty well at home and I am lucky that Petra has been brought up the way she has as everything is freshly cooked with very little if any processed food in the house and her mum/grandma taught her how to cook from scratch plus we intermix Slovak dishes with our dishes too.

          Today I decided to cook a Slovak dish called Zivanska which is a meat and veg dish that is prepared in a foil parcel and then placed in a bain marie and cooked and due to limited time with our busy lives we often cook for a couple of days so I today prepared 6 parcels for today and tomorrow when my Mum will also be with us for dinner.  You can do this dish with most meats and I used pork loins chops today but you can use Chicken, Venison or even fish and adapt the dish as the principle is the same.

          So I started out preparing all the meat and veg by slicing Onions, tomatoes, peppers, sweet and regular potatoes, cut some bacon into strips, cut up some frankfurters and gherkins then tenderised the pork with a mallet so we had this
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_39.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_41.jpg)
          Then after cutting the fat on the pork at 1" intervals to stop it curling I prepared the parcels by cutting two lengths of foil per parcel with each piece a bit smaller than the size of a red top newspaper and folding two of the top edges together like so
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_42.jpg)
          Place a piece of meat on each double bit of foil (obv the other 4 parcels are dotted around the kitchen) and season and spread a layer of mustard (optional) on the meat
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_43.jpg)
          Then you can intermix the veg and meat as you please so today I went for bacon, gherkins and the frankfurters first
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_44.jpg)
          before adding the tomatoes, onions and peppers
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_45.jpg)
          finally add the potatoes around the edges and on top finishing with a final season, some soy sauce and a drizzle of olive oil
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_46.jpg)
          before wrapping it all up like so, folding the ends in to finish
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_47.jpg)
          and then place in the deep sided oven dish before adding water and placing in the oven for about 45 minutes
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_48.jpg)

          The result I will post later when we cook and eat it (the Slovaks just transfer the foil parcel onto a plate and open it up and eat) when you should be greeted with a steaming plate of lovliness with all the flavours and veg along with some tender meat.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mulhuzz on October 09, 2015, 03:20:24 PM
          <3 Zivanska

          Halusky as well.

          Think the 'no processed' stuff holds for CZ as well, everyone here can cook fresh stuff from scratch.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 09, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
          <3 Zivanska

          Halusky as well.

          Think the 'no processed' stuff holds for CZ as well, everyone here can cook fresh stuff from scratch.
          Yeah I definitely think the eastern European's are bought up knowing the value of cooking and also using everything ie bones to make stock etc with very little wastage from a joint on the bone.

          Have you tried the white sausage and pigs trotters? oh and Carp at Christmas?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mulhuzz on October 09, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
          Haven't had carp yet, but try pretty much everything else.

          Friend text me the other day.

          'Do you have waders?'

          'What?'

          'Waders I think you say in English.'

          'What?'

          'For fishing'

          'Oh waders, of course, I have several pairs in my wardrobe'

          'Great. We need them for the Carp Festival'

          'The Carp Festival?'

          'Yes. It's 2 hours outside of Prague and very popular. I'll drive'

          'Christ'

          'No, Carp!'


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: sonour on October 10, 2015, 09:28:01 PM
          Hi Rich,

          Why don't you set up your own Estate Agency ?



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 10, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
          Hi Rich,

          Why don't you set up your own Estate Agency in Malta ?



          FYP


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on October 10, 2015, 10:28:11 PM
          Haven't had carp yet, but try pretty much everything else.

          Friend text me the other day.

          'Do you have waders?'

          'What?'

          'Waders I think you say in English.'

          'What?'

          'For fishing'

          'Oh waders, of course, I have several pairs in my wardrobe'

          'Great. We need them for the Carp Festival'

          'The Carp Festival?'

          'Yes. It's 2 hours outside of Prague and very popular. I'll drive'

          'Christ'

          'No, Carp!'

          Carp is the fish almost always used to make gefiltefish.

          You might not be familiar with the joy that is gefiltefish but it is a Jewish standard; chopped fish and some other ingredients made into balls rather like meatballs and either steamed or fried, often served as part of the Friday evening meal.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: claypole on October 16, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
          <3 Zivanska

          Halusky as well.

          Think the 'no processed' stuff holds for CZ as well, everyone here can cook fresh stuff from scratch.
          Yeah I definitely think the eastern European's are bought up knowing the value of cooking and also using everything ie bones to make stock etc with very little wastage from a joint on the bone.

          Have you tried the white sausage and pigs trotters? oh and Carp at Christmas?

          I agree with this - Eastern Europeans ftw :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 05:17:26 PM
          So this was the finished result of the Zhivanska after 40 mins in the oven and was followed by some home made Apple Strudle (not cooked by me!)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Bd8eJD_tQ

          A few days after this Petra and Ivy flew off to Slovakia to sort some stuff in the shop over there and for Petra to see her folks and as Max is in school and obv he cannot be taken out it was just me Max and the dog at home in a week that was then called "Boys Week" which meant no tidying up etc until the day that Petra got back when it was all hands to the pump!

          It was great to have a week with the boy and I would like to think that he enjoyed it too and whilst the girls were away I played two of the online legs of the Grand Prix and managed to get 195k for day 2 on Sunday just gone but having chipped up in the first 2 levels without showdown to get to a peak of 350k at 4/8k as the blinds were deep in 5/10k and with a very flat payout structure I took what was obv a flip to try and get a really good stack where I 4b jammed over an open from MP and a 3b all in for 24bb's from the SB and I found AQhh in the bb with 35bbs but lost vs 55 exiting in 166th place with a £100 ladder in 104th and prizes not reaching a grand until the last 36 and back down the M! we went.

          Earlier this year I posted that I wanted to lose some of the "Terry" that I had amassed having had the best part of 3 years out of the gym and having got to half Red Dog size (copyright Tikay) I decided in February I really needed to do something and with me I really need to be eating fairly well before I set foot in the gym (just a quirk of mine) so by March I had adjusted my diet whilst not worrying about a once a week meal out etc I then stepped into the gym and commenced a 3 x a week (most weeks) high intensity cardio circuit session using a program from a few years ago.

          I basically cut most of the bread out my diet with my daily intake of food looking something like this
          Breakfast - eaten with the kids being 2 slices of Brioche toast with a bit of jam or couple of slices of chocolate brioche slice

          mid morning snack of some fruit

          Lunch - one small 4 piece Sushi pack from Tesco and pack of meat (4-5 slices of beef, chicken or turkey) with some fruit

          Dinner - whatever we eat at home but normally a meat dish with some veg and carbs in either a few potatoes or rice

          and rarely eating a desert as this is a failing of mine as I have a sweet tooth!

          I'm sure if I really wanted to strip the fat further I could make some further tweaks but I have to remember that I'm 41, lead a busy life and its hard to eat that different to the kids at home plus I only have time to train for 45mins-1hour tops 3 x per week normally at 6.30am in the morning.

          Below you will see some photos that have been taken firstly on the 30th November last year (you can tell as it was the end of Movember) and then from a hotel room in Nottingham in May when I was one month into the programme with a final couple of images post session today which show quite clearly how my body has started to change over the past few months and I am probably in my best shape for years tbh which has come with added benefits of having more concentration whilst playing and overall having more energy on a day to day basis.

          If you are squeemish or dont want to see a half whale then scroll straight past my bloated photos but I am pretty chuffed with how I am looking currently and am going to endevour to keep it up whilst in Malta from tomorrow with an expectation of 5 sessions whilst there and also to step it up when I get back but am going to ask Harvey or Sean to devise me a little program based on my goals and time available as I felt I started to plateau toward this last couple of weeks so need a fresh challenge.

          30th November 2014 (Just Lol obv on so many levels but this diary is an honest one)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_63.jpg)

          End May 2015 and peak weight of 85-87kg (I am not worried about weight as much and have no idea what I weigh today but guess around 78kg as for me it's more about how I feel and look in clothes)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_62.jpg)

          Today
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_52.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_53.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_54.jpg)

          I think genetically I am slightly fortunate due to my sporting background and have always been blessed with a stocky, muscular build and kinda regret it a bit but in my 20's I tried to get big but was just lean and took one course of dyanabol whilst working in a gym and suddenly grew a set of shoulders and stocky chest which has remained ever since but I am chuffed with the results so far of my hard work and feel great inside too.   I will add the final two weeks and a bit about the program I used in another post 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 05:29:27 PM
          So the program I used is basically a high intensity circuit split into 3 days per week and each day is different across the 4 weeks

          Mondays are a "foundation day" where the larger muscle groups are used

          Weds are classed as "stability days" and utilise different stabilising muscles using similar movements but utilising Swiss balls and balance

          Fridays are about power and engage the fast twitch muscles and instead of working for a number of reps you work for x seconds.

          The first 2 weeks you are supposed to do 2 circuits but I did one for the first 2 weeks as I was literally blowing out of my arse and after 2 weeks repeated weeks one and two for 4 weeks until I then ventured to weeks three and four and have repeated these weeks below but never used a dumbell over 15kg's at any point to get to where we are today.

          Week 3
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_56.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_57.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_58.jpg)

          Week 4
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_59.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_60.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_61.jpg)


          So tomorrow I fly to Malta alone with Petra and the kids flying next Tuesday and are then with me until the 2nd Nov when we all fly back together and I am so excited about going and am looking forward to my first and probably one of a handful of EPT's I will ever play and it will be the biggest buyin event I have played too but strangely I am really relaxed and first of all hope for as agood a table draw as I can expect and then lets see what happens.

          The day after I fly I am playing the IPT (UKIPT equiv) main and have sold in the staking boards for both events so will update there if anyone wants a sweat and hope to have a few stories for my return.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: pleno1 on October 20, 2015, 05:35:13 PM
          Hey Rich, play the Sunday imo, all the kids will be grinding online :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 05:40:39 PM
          Hey Rich, play the Sunday imo, all the kids will be grinding online :)
          Good shout mate!

          I will message you when I get there and attempt to hook up.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 20, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
          Weight loss nearly as amazing as your tattoo on your left breast converting to your right breast over 12 months from the first picture to the later pictures.  How you manage to do that?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 05:45:22 PM
          Weight loss nearly as amazing as your tattoo on your left breast converting to your right breast over 12 months from the first picture to the later pictures.  How you manage to do that?
          Even you are too shrewd to not work that one out surely?

          Iirc it was you son who enquired as to what I weighed when I mentioned the fact I need to lose some timber.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on October 20, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
          Weight loss nearly as amazing as your tattoo on your left breast converting to your right breast over 12 months from the first picture to the later pictures.  How you manage to do that?
          Even you are too shrewd to not work that one out surely?

          Iirc it was you son who enquired as to what I weighed when I mentioned the fact I need to lose some timber.

          Planning to lose any more?  You look in great shape.  In all seriousness congrats. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
          Hi Rich,

          Why don't you set up your own Estate Agency ?


          Hi Rich,

          Why don't you set up your own Estate Agency in Malta ?



          FYP
          I will come back to these upon my return as I have to make some pretty big decisions over the next 2 weeks


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
          Haven't had carp yet, but try pretty much everything else.

          Friend text me the other day.

          'Do you have waders?'

          'What?'

          'Waders I think you say in English.'

          'What?'

          'For fishing'

          'Oh waders, of course, I have several pairs in my wardrobe'

          'Great. We need them for the Carp Festival'

          'The Carp Festival?'

          'Yes. It's 2 hours outside of Prague and very popular. I'll drive'

          'Christ'

          'No, Carp!'

          Carp is the fish almost always used to make gefiltefish.

          You might not be familiar with the joy that is gefiltefish but it is a Jewish standard; chopped fish and some other ingredients made into balls rather like meatballs and either steamed or fried, often served as part of the Friday evening meal.
          It must take a while to get the meat off the bone as the Carp has sooooo many bones including a massive ribcage.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 20, 2015, 06:57:59 PM
          Weight loss nearly as amazing as your tattoo on your left breast converting to your right breast over 12 months from the first picture to the later pictures.  How you manage to do that?
          Even you are too shrewd to not work that one out surely?

          Iirc it was you son who enquired as to what I weighed when I mentioned the fact I need to lose some timber.

          Planning to lose any more?  You look in great shape.  In all seriousness congrats. 
          Thanks pal, I would like to shift a touch more around the waist tbh but am realistic as well so would happily just lose a touch more and then maintain if I can.

          Hows yours coming along?



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on October 20, 2015, 10:24:14 PM
          Congrats on the results Rich, good to see the hard work pay off.

          I'm sure if I really wanted to strip the fat further I could make some further tweaks but I have to remember that I'm 41, lead a busy life and its hard to eat that different to the kids at home plus I only have time to train for 45mins-1hour tops 3 x per week normally at 6.30am in the morning.

          The above very true for most family guys imo.  Very hard to eat different to the family all the time.

          GL in Malta, hope you get an epic result.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on October 21, 2015, 01:46:46 AM
          Good luck in Malta. There's some nice restaurants in an area called st Julian's. If you've not heard of it let me know and i can sort out directions :)

          Oh, and stick a warning up next time you put naked pictures up. Gave me flashbacks of that night in a derby hotel :(


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: The_nun on October 21, 2015, 06:46:45 AM
          I think the honest approach to this thread works really good.  ::)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on October 22, 2015, 10:40:56 AM
          Good luck in Malta. There's some nice restaurants in an area called st Julian's. If you've not heard of it let me know and i can sort out directions :)

          Oh, and stick a warning up next time you put naked pictures up. Gave me flashbacks of that night in a derby hotel :(
          Cheers Son

          Arrived last night and tried to keep it from my Maltese family that I was coming prior to the wedding but unfortunately my old dear let the cat out the bag so I have already been texted 5 times from cousins and Aunties wanting to meet up but that goes with the territory here.

          We're staying away from St Julian's in Sliema at a friend of family appt called Bay View which kinda misdescribes the one bed appt that my mum will take over when Petra and the kids arrive Tuesday as there is not even a glimpse.

          I really love Malta and every time I come here it just feels like home!!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on October 22, 2015, 11:11:58 AM
          There is an Indian restaurant in Sliema that features 'Ooops lambs brain' on the menu!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RedFox on October 22, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
          Good luck in Malta. There's some nice restaurants in an area called st Julian's. If you've not heard of it let me know and i can sort out directions :)

          Oh, and stick a warning up next time you put naked pictures up. Gave me flashbacks of that night in a derby hotel :(
          Cheers Son

          Arrived last night and tried to keep it from my Maltese family that I was coming prior to the wedding but unfortunately my old dear let the cat out the bag so I have already been texted 5 times from cousins and Aunties wanting to meet up but that goes with the territory here.

          We're staying away from St Julian's in Sliema at a friend of family appt called Bay View which kinda misdescribes the one bed appt that my mum will take over when Petra and the kids arrive Tuesday as there is not even a glimpse.

          I really love Malta and every time I come here it just feels like home!!!

          Great to hear this sounds like a fun family time as well as picking up some mega title and wonga.

          Enjoy :-)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 18, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
          Well I kinda owe this an update and the past 4 weeks have gone so quickly and apologies in advance for the long nature of these posts but there has been a lot going on...

          When I last posted I was in Malta and was playing my first ever EPT along with the IPT main and unfortunately both events were bricked which is always disappointing when with the WPT at DTD on my return they were 2 of the biggest events I would play this year and for whatever reason the cards and runouts just went against me but I don't dwell on it too much as I received a lot of favourable runouts earlier this year.

          Having bust both the events it meant that I was there when Petra, the kids and my mum arrived on the Tuesday a few days before my cousins wedding so I got chance to be on holiday with them which was nice and although the weather was very changeable it was pleasant and we managed a couple of days by the sea and visited some of the other relly's I have there and hadnt seen for a couple of years.

          The kids love being there too and are definitely water babes with Max being happy splashing around and Ivy content to just have a bucket & spade and go from the waters edge to the first bit of the shore and below are a few photos of them with their own characters coming out all the time, they really are great kids!

          Ivy
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_69.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_70.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_71.jpg)
          I think the water was colder than she expected on the rooftop pool in this one!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_73.jpg)

          and Max
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_74.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_75.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_76.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_68.jpg)

          Max was due to be page boy for my cousin Michelle's wedding and despite some tears when he went to try on his suit he enjoyed his bits of the day with one of the ushers really looking after him from when we dropped him to their house at 9am in the morning until his duties were finished as they arrived at the reception venue and Max could relax ;)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_77.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_79.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_78.jpg)
          Max was even given the role of ring bearer
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suCx-M3nrqY

          The wedding itself was held in the amazing "Silent City of M'Dina which dates back to 4000BC and is a walled city which is still inhabited despite it's wealth of history by around 300 residents and as Carl (The Groom) was born in nearby Rabat they get the chance to get married in the beautiful church within the confines of the city itself and if you have ever visited Malta and indeed M'dina then you have probably spent a few minutes inside.

          One of the reasons I love Malta is that despite being only 20odd miles x 9 miles there is so much history on this small island and the beauty of it for me is a massive draw!
          Here is the inside of the church itself when we took Max for a walk through a few days before the wedding so he could see and practice his walk
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkZdnoVMXI0
          The windows and paintings on the walls and ceilings are imo immense
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_65.jpg)

          Here is Carl and Michelle outside the church and I posted last September some photo's of their house which is in another great town called Mosta and they have been renovating it for just over a year in readiness for the wedding and will now move in as husband and wife which is typical of Maltese couples being mainly Roman Catholic by religion.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_87.jpg)

          Then it was off to the reception a few minutes away and these photo's and video's show how blessed I truly am and obv before Vinny pipes up how far I bat out of my league ;)
          Here is my amazing family!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_81.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_80.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_82.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_83.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_85.jpg)
          Ivy spent pretty much the whole afternoon dancing
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTPazKNbY4

          and being an Maltese wedding with loads of Italian influence there was plenty of dancing going on which made a great afternoon and evening
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuiLvGNIxfY
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaLBiVHyI2E

          We then flew back to the UK late on Monday 2nd and a day later I headed off to DTD for the WPT which was a similar tale to Malta with the main busting in level 8 and I then played the 6max and finished 12th with 7 paid losing QK vs AJ aipf for an average stack having not had starting stack since the first hand of the tournament until 3 levels into day 2 after losing 10k in the first 20 minutes before a rally and then the disappointing feeling of an exit so I jumped straight into the £300 deepstack and literally the first hand I sit down after late regging I lose 30% of my stack in a multi way pot where I had to bluff the river or give up and unfortunately the villain didn't feel like folding quads so I ground it out before getting an absolute gift late on to come back healthy for day2.

          I ending up having to grind out day 2 losing two key pots and on the bubble I was definitely not going to be all in first as there were 4 micro stacks so had to wait for one to bust and then found a double up vs Ben Winsor who played great when I was on his table but having beld to 12 bigs with 12 left I jammed the button with AKdd into a guy who made some terrible folds against the shorties on our table and he found JJ and we didn't win the race to get a min cash +1.

          I will do one more post now and then later on update whats happening elsewhere in life.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 18, 2015, 03:00:29 PM
          I think we really do need to get a TV in the bedroom!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_86.jpg)

          Yup you got it, we are expecting again with baby number 3 being due in the early part of May and we didn't really say anything to anyone until we came back from Malta as didn't want to overshadow Carl and Michelle's day so its exciting times in the house although we have not said anything to the kids yet.

          We the plans we have and I will post about later the timing is great and we had been "trying" for a few months but if we had not caught by the end of the year then we would have stopped trying so hopefully god willing and everything going smoothly for the next 24 weeks we will be a family of 5 and the dog!

          It was nearly 6 as we actually had "Vanishing Twin Syndrome" http://americanpregnancy.org/multiples/vanishing-twin-syndrome/ which means there was in the early stages another baby there but for whatever reason the second baby has not developed since the very early stages although the membrane is still there and clearly visible.

          Obviously this comes with a tinge of sadness but I'm a half glass is full kinda guy so will assume that these things happen for a good reason and that maybe if things had carried on further then maybe the other twin may have been affected so hopefully all goes well and this may be the first time that we will find out the sex of the baby prior to him/her popping out but it will definitely be born at home just like Max and Ivy as long as Petra is classed as low risk.

          Now I need a Dubai style bink as will need to buy some nappies  :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on November 18, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
          Great news Rich. Better news than any bink whether on the felt or on the track ;) Congratulations.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on November 18, 2015, 03:14:16 PM
          Many congratulations to you both.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bookiebasher on November 18, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
          Happy Days , enjoy and congratulations.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: George2Loose on November 18, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
          Awesome news. Congrats buddy!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on November 18, 2015, 03:39:06 PM
          Great news Rich.

          Congratulations.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: BorntoBubble on November 18, 2015, 03:43:25 PM
          Top stuff Rich!

          Congratulations to you and the team!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on November 18, 2015, 03:45:30 PM

          Nice to hear the news Rich

          Keep grinding you will get there


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: craigbetts on November 18, 2015, 04:37:10 PM
          Oi oi, it just gets better. Massive congratulations.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on November 18, 2015, 05:21:03 PM
          Great TR & pics, and congrats to you all on the incoming bambino.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on November 18, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
          Congratulations to you both.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Big_D on November 18, 2015, 08:07:13 PM
          Congratulations Rich, great news mate!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TL900 on November 18, 2015, 09:04:09 PM
          congrats mate :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: FUN4FRASER on November 18, 2015, 09:46:17 PM
          congrats mate :)

          How Did that Happen Then  ?  :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 18, 2015, 11:41:23 PM
          You find out who done this to Petra, and I'll send the boys round xx


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on November 19, 2015, 01:14:27 AM
          Great news, congratulations!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: david3103 on November 19, 2015, 05:43:03 AM
          Congratulations Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: mondatoo on November 19, 2015, 05:48:50 AM
          Oioiiiiiiii, congrats mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on November 19, 2015, 08:31:07 AM
          Great news congrats Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on November 19, 2015, 08:46:33 AM
          Lovely.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Vinodh on November 19, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
          Congrats to you and Petra!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on November 19, 2015, 09:16:11 AM
          Wow.... Great news Pal


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on November 19, 2015, 03:08:51 PM
          Thanks for all the congrats guys.

          So in other real life news I had always planned to not put pressure on myself to jump into a role before the end of the year and think I had posted that I had one offer of a backwards step within a bigger firm with a view to move forwards at pace within about 18 months but with the knowledge that we were expecting and also the fact that this company work longer hours than the other firms I had worked for over the few weeks of Malta and WPT I came to the conclusion that the lower money and extra hours meant it probably wasn't the opportunity for me and along with some of our other plans I didn't want to join a firm and then leave them in less than a year so told them at the earliest opportunity that I wouldn't be joining them.

          Which means that since August 28th I have not done a days real work for the first time in 25 years!  I wouldn't have changed it for the world as have spent time with the kids and kind of taken the role of house hubby enabling Petra to get on with her work and have more flexibility with taking photo shoots etc and as a Dad who is normally just there when the kids wake and getting back for bed/bath time it's been great be able to afford that time for them without it hitting us financially but all that has to come to an end soon.

          Petra is doing really well with her stuff and recently won a first place for the group photo and 3rd place award at the London Portait Group which she attends once a month with the photo's below.  The 3rd place one was with Max and was a monochrome/music theme where the photographers could come up with their own interpretation of the subject and the evening was judged by an internationally renowned photographer who judges panels for the BIPP.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_92.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Award1.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_91.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Max2.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Max3.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Max1.jpg)

          So the plan moving forward is quite a surprising one but I am currently writing a business plan for something that I hope to launch in the first couple of months of 2016 and I have a couple of key meeting in the next 10 days which will hopefully mean I can press on with the setting of the company and obv will post further once those meetings have taken place and if so we will be looking to open further outlets over a short space of time with at the moment it being just me putting in the investment but I may take some external investment if required once my plan is complete.

          Then I need to drive the first 6months really hard but it's not a business I will need to spend much time after that on with the exception of managing the KPI's, staff etc and can devote some time to the opening up of other outlets.

          More surprisingly than me starting up something on my own is the fact that we are planning to move to Malta in most likely August 2016 and are already setting the wheels in motion with a plan to be there in time for Max to start school in September which would be their first year of junior school so he would have already have completed one year here and would be ahead of the kids in spoken/written English and also numeracy but will be behind in Maltese which my mum will be helping with over the next 9 months as over there as an ex pat the kids are taught 50/50 split English/Maltese so even if you only plan to be there for 2-3 years you need to suffer them learning Maltese but we are making a concious lifestyle choice to be out there as we have more family in Malta than England, my Mum plans to retire there in the next few years and just think as a lifestyle for the kids it will be a better environment for them to grow up in plus education is much improved over there meaning they have great opportunities moving forwards.

          One thing we wont be doing first off though is selling up as we love our house so just in case it all went tit's up we will rent our place out as with the way the local market has carried on here we most likely wouldn't be able to buy our own house back if we spent a couple of years out there so I wouldn't want to put Petra in that position, then with some savings we will plan to purchase at least one investment property over here which should mean that we could live pretty much rent free for the first year to see where we are at then.  It will mean with my likely business plans that I am back in England for 3-4 days every 2 weeks and then fly back so will take some forward planning with flights etc but Petra will have a great support network over there and also be in a lovely environment for the little un's.

          If everything goes well and we enjoy being there full time after a year or so then Petra can do what she does here but over there and will have had the first year off as she would have done here with hopefully baby no3 and we will then choose whether to sell the properties and effectively could move out there and be in completely mortgage free position in a house big enough for us which is lovely but knowing me we will probably stretch ourselves as you always need to feel that bit of pressure don't you?  ;)

          So the next few weeks are key to the next 18 months of where we see ourselves and therefore I have had to take the grown up decision to skip Edinburgh this week and most likely a side next week at the GUKPT but I will make an appearance at the GPS in Sheffield in a couple of weeks time which is likely to be it for the year as I get to grip with the upcoming changes and devote myself 100% to that.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: LonOhRay on November 19, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
           What a life!

           ;D ;D ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on November 19, 2015, 03:43:51 PM
          Congrats on the baby, and I'm rather jealous that you get to live in Malta tbh, good luck with everything.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 19, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
          Congrats on the baby, and I'm rather jealous that you get to live in Malta tbh, good luck with everything.


          Did you enjoy your recent visit dewi?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on November 19, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
          was great thanks Vinnie, did not get to drink enough though, and the poker was really bad :-( lol


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on November 19, 2015, 07:35:21 PM
          was great thanks Vinnie, did not get to drink enough though, and the poker was really bad :-( lol

          pretty standard then


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on November 19, 2015, 07:54:49 PM
          ha ha


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on November 20, 2015, 02:59:42 AM
          I'm a bit ocd, so it's taken me a month to read the entire diary before making a comment....

          Congrats is the best I can do for now. WP Eso & Petra!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 01, 2016, 11:38:42 AM
          I'm a bit ocd, so it's taken me a month to read the entire diary before making a comment....

          Congrats is the best I can do for now. WP Eso & Petra!
          Hi Phil (I assume this is you?) and Thanks very much.

          Happy New Year to all, I hope it brings great health and happiness to all Blonde Folk, friends and family with mine being a quiet one with the kids asleep and Petra lasting till 11.15 leaving just me to see the London fireworks and then keep up my late Nan's tradition of opening the back door to let the past year out and then going to the front door and let the New Year in.

          The last month or so has been pretty manic all around with me really working hard to put some effort into finishing this business plan and also looking at different locations to launch in 2016.

          I wont go into too much detail at the moment of what I hope to be launching in a few months time as all will become apparent over the next few weeks but I may need a favour with a few FB likes etc once we do get up and running but it is pretty exciting times ahead and I will either knock in a years salary (or in Arbboy terms 6months property price growth ;) ) or will have a scaleable business that can be replicated in other affluent towns that we will be launching our first one in.

          The thing I have probably enjoyed most about this is that even though you are starting with just one venue at the start as we need to prove the concept, I have had to think about "Brand" from day one so have already instructed a branding and marketing company who I am working with on name,logo positioning etc as its not just like naming it "Eso Estates" (its not an estate agent btw)

          Hopefully in the first 2 weeks of this year I will have a name and then can crack on and I should be seeing a premises in Chelmsford in the next week that I hope is the right size for what I want to do as it's the perfect location in terms of demographic, location to get this off the ground even though it's pretty scary with leases coming in at £50-65k per annum for 1500-2000sq ft and then rates on top of that!

          This does need to be right and I have a certain amount of DD to complete before committing any real funds to this and am not worried about walking away if I dont get the right vibe over the next few weeks but so far it all looks good.

          What is does mean though is that we will be putting back our move to Malta to August 2017 now as combined with an Easter launch and the baby being due in May it will put too much pressure on us to get it done this August and Petra would like to have a year where she knows where everything is in medical terms etc so I can just concentrate on this business and crack on!

          With Max and Ivy we chose not to find out the sex and had home births with Max being born in our bedroom and Ivy in the Lounge and if all goes well we will have a home birth again this time however Petra being the organised one out of us wanted to find out the sex so she can keep Max or Ivy's newborn clothes prior to leaving here in 18 months and we have already started the de-cluttering so on Friday we headed for our 20+ week scan and found out


          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_94.jpg)

          It's a BOY!!! Here is his head shot where you can see the nose and mouth etc and it is pretty incredible what they show you even though the baby is literally 12cm at this stage.

          So now we have a few months of argueing agreeing on a name and we always wanted Rory which was name 1 on the list when Max was born but he just looked more like a Maxwell (name 2) than a Rory and unfortunately he has a bit of difficulty with his "R"s at the moment so we are in two minds.

          In bed this morning the conversation went something like this

          Petra - What about Vince or Vincent

          Me - No way

          Petra - Why not? You like Vinny

          Me - I can just see it now, all the jokes about naming him after his Dad blah blah blah!


          Anyway thanks to everyone who posted in here or read in the past year and hopefully I will post some updates over the next few months and a big thanks to anyone who was confident/crazy enough to buy a piece in me in the events I played last year which just happened to be my best year in terms of cashes with 15 cashes from 38 events for about £32k when you include the value of the WPT seats won so thanks for letting me play some of the events that I would never have been able to without you guys.

          HNY everyone may all your dreams and wishes come true!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 01, 2016, 01:10:51 PM
          😳

          Vincent blacklock. Sounds alright.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on January 01, 2016, 02:28:03 PM
          All the best for 2016!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on January 02, 2016, 12:07:38 PM
          Hi Rich, yes it is I (lol).

          Thoroughly enjoyed the read of your diary/blog, and was "should I, shouldn't I?" about starting my own... But I've concluded that a) I don't play enough poker at the higher (more interesting) levels and b) Not enough ppl on here know me to make it interesting for a wider audience, and c) I'd be embarrassed by the tedium of my current life, whilst yearning for a return to my past.

          You continue to be inspirational for anyone who wonders whether they can 'make the change' and/or 'just do it', taking on what appears to be the substantial challenges of both a new business start-up and emigrating at the same time as welcoming a 3rd child to the family. It's an over-used word, but in your case it's appropriate - awesome!

          FWIW, if Max is having trouble with his r's, I think I might swerve the name Rory. There's something I like about Vince, though... It was my dad's name. More importantly, what room are you planning for his birth?

          Have a fantastic 2016, Eso - here's hoping everything works out!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Doobs on January 02, 2016, 12:28:19 PM
          Has Max got a tongue tie?  I have one, and had problems with my Rs when I was younger.  I had to go to speech therapy when I was young and pretty much hated every minute.  Felt like a right dimwit because I couldn't speak properly.  Can't imagine he will be happy with you choosing Rory.  My youngest had one too, but had it snipped when she was a baby.  

          http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/tongue-tie/Pages/Introduction.aspx (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/tongue-tie/Pages/Introduction.aspx)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RedFox on January 02, 2016, 06:38:30 PM
          Hi Rich

          I was reading your diary about the Malta WPT got interrupted and thought id leave it for another day which is now  :) and holy hell great news about your new boy, the Malta move and the  new business.

          Best wishes for the new year for all above.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 05, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
          Thanks for the GL's and thoughts over the past couple of posts and cheers Doobs for the info I will have a deeper look into that link.

          I am due to see a premises in Chelmsford tomorrow which hopefully will be suitable in size (it's a tad small at 1600sq ft) but should be workable so fingers crossed on that and I have been cracking on with bits of the plan and making contact and for what I am doing I need some nutritional help so always liking to keep things with people I know and trust I messaged two Blondes about hooking up and on Saturday I drove up to Nottingham to hook up with the guys and buy them early dinner (sorry Vin) and off to Reds we went for some smoked meat!!

          Here's the boys, Iraise on the left and birthday boy Zerofive on the right with just half of my noggin in shot (note to self to learn how to selfie properly in 2016)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_95.jpg)

          I went through my business plan to date as we ate and we discussed various aspects and whilst they wont become rich out of it in the start I hope the endgame is good for them and being focused on this at the moment with every penny important to the launch of this business I took them back to the DTD car park and then played the deepstack drove straight back to Essex which was pretty disciplined of me even if I say it myself as they were only just starting level 2.

          I'm going to search back over my 2015 goals in a bit and re-quote and then put up some aspirations for 2016 to give me motivation for the year ahead.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on January 06, 2016, 01:11:50 AM
          You didn't think to consult me about nutrition?

          Think I've played with iraise. Coventry I think? Looks a lot different to how I remember him.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: iRaise on January 06, 2016, 11:19:12 AM
          You didn't think to consult me about nutrition?

          Think I've played with iraise. Coventry I think? Looks a lot different to how I remember him.

          That was around the time I started the beard, would be great to one day have a proper one.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2016, 01:29:02 PM
          2015...

          1) First and foremost this year the biggest goal I have is to be the best Husband and Dad that I can be to Petra and the kids as I am a pretty lucky guy to have them so they are the number one priority and everything that I do or achieve is ofr them or to improve our lives as a family unit.

          2) I am not going to say I am going to lose x amount of weight or any of that malarkey but I do intend to try and shape up this year as I am concious that this is the time of life that my Dad had his first heart attack and as we have Heart disease in the family I really need to focus on this again so will be joining a cheap gym at the end of my road and am determined to put in 3 x sessions a week in the evenings and may even join the fatties thread for motivation unless anyone fancies some kind of prop...

          3) On top of everything else this year I plan to buy one property as an investment (renter for the kids) as with hopefully doing the restaurant venture it will be tough to secure deposit to buy and do a flip or two this year so I am looking at a property this week that with a bit of jiggery pokery I may be able to secure in a mutually convenient way!

          4) I really hope we get the restaurant venture off the ground in the first quarter and there has been some good movement this week and hopefully next week we can have the premises locked up and really crack on with the planning/design side and I will post further on this as we go.

          5) I would love to put some kind of poker goal in here but it's really hard to as saying I want to final a £500+ event in 2015 is imo not a quantifiable goal for me, therefore I will just hope to have enjoyed the game as much as I did in 2014, continue to make good decisions in game and hope to at the bare minimum cash for a bit more than my entries are this year in the 15-20 tournaments I am likely to play.
          Just quoting this to make it easier to come back to later on


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2016, 01:33:25 PM
          So in the midst of all this business panning it’s been very important to retain some family time too and yesterday was one of those days.
          After Max’s football in the morning we rushed home for a quick change and then attempted to make the 10.44 train to London but if you have kids then leaving the house for us is pretty much exactly like this…

          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFQfylQ2Jgg

          Eventually we made the station for 10.50 and ended up catching the 11.10 instead heading into London where we were going to research a couple of venues that offer a similar service to what we hope to launch in the next couple of months and we ended up in South Kensington for a couple of hours.

          Here was the team before we left the station
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_97.jpg)

          After the bit of research we wanted to do we walked through Serpentine Park stopping where a couple of friendly Squirrels decided they liked the little snack bar that Max was having and after a bit of coercing they we happy to approach and take food from his hand even holding his fingers whilst they took the little bits from him.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_98.jpg)

          An hour long walk was ended when we reached our final destination which was the Sanderson Hotel just off Oxford Street having been given a “Mad Hatters” tea party voucher affording us an afternoon tea for 4 with Champagne (for me only ;) ) and we were seated quickly before being given a choice of tea which even Max got involved with Ivy being more interested in her hot chocolate and the Ballerina in the sugar pot.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_99.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_100.jpg)

          Eventually we were presented with a plate of food each consisting of a ham and cheese toastie, some green bread filled with cream cheese and cucumber, a crab croquette and a quails egg scotch egg with a tiny bit of caviar on which was really nice and then the desert was brought out with a variety of nibbles all well presented and extremely tasty with a final ice cream served in a miniature flower pot consisting of raspberry ice cream covered with a crushed oreo biscuit and some water cress.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_101.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_102.jpg)

          Needless to say we were all stuffed by the end so the kids decided to have a play around in the lobby before we left for the train back to Leigh on Sea.
          Here’s Petra being the queen and feeling full

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_103.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_104.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_105.jpg)

          Whilst not the cheapest of afternoon tea’s I can thoroughly recommend this afternoon out even though it’s probably wasted on kids if you were looking for a little surprise or break from shopping in London for your girlfriend or partner, Mum or even someone else’s Mum as I am positive they would enjoy being looked after here at this great hotel.

          This week is a big week as in an hour’s time I have a big branding meeting for the new venture and tomorrow am at the venue we have an offer in on with a designer which subject to that going well will see me reinforce my offer to the landlord having proved our covenant to them last week where they wanted to see cleared funds able to get the venue open which we did and suddenly they were happy to give us some time in the venue and if we get confirmation this week that we can proceed then it’s going to be a busy few months ahead.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RED-DOG on January 18, 2016, 01:53:05 PM
          Great stuff Richard.

          Can you believe how quickly kids grow?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on January 18, 2016, 02:03:57 PM
          Great stuff Richard.

          Can you believe how quickly kids grow?
          I find it incredible Tom and even though I still have this edge in me that feels like I could press the (not literally obv) self destruct button at any given time they ground you so much and change your thought processes on everything.

          The way they learn these days is so different to when we are kids but I find it amazing the stages they go through with mine gonna be 5 & 3 this March and the next one due in May when we will go through it all again.

          I love every minute of it and am sure that never stops 😀


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on February 24, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
          I have a one bed BtL property in E11. I was planning to sell it in order to trade up to a 2-bed. With the change in Stamp Duty about to come into play from April, what's your view on the BtL market, specifically in London?

          If I had a buyer already lined up, what's the best way of establishing 'Fair Market Value'?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 24, 2016, 04:59:26 PM
          I have a one bed BtL property in E11. I was planning to sell it in order to trade up to a 2-bed. With the change in Stamp Duty about to come into play from April, what's your view on the BtL market, specifically in London?

          If I had a buyer already lined up, what's the best way of establishing 'Fair Market Value'?
          Hi Phil,
          Sorry it took me a bit of time to reply to your message on FB but was in a meeting when it came through earlier.

          In terms of an agent in that area I used to work for a firm called Douglas Allen who are very pro active and reputable so could recommend them highly or Churchills seem to have good coverage of those postcode.

          My personal opinion of the stamp duty change is that it created a short term boost in prices in popular areas with vendors adding a bit on in the knowledge that any BTL investors would need a deal through by April so took advantage of that but imo that then creates a negative as many BTL investors will be taking off the 3% stamp from any offers they are making therefore reducing the prices and it will be down to individual vendors situations as to whether they can afford to sell for those prices.

          I think in London it's a bubble that is hard to burst so only see increases continuing but if you are looking to purchase for the long term as an investment then the extra 3% will make a small difference but you would hope that xx years down the line the capital growth of buying right far outweighs that extra figure and it's only short term investors who will not purchase due to SD.

          Obviously the other changes in terms of investment properties are probably going to mean that less people are buying and more investors are getting out of the market which will mean a greater supply of properties which in theory means the vendors have to be more competitive in price due to competition.

          If I had a potential buyer but wanted to ascertain fair market value I would get two agents to value the property on my behalf and get the potential buyer to get two other agents (so that neither of you feel had over) and then take the mean price of the four as fair market value but if you are selling privately you wont need to pay an agents fee so this should be accounted for in some way (I certainly would be asking for a bit off if you were not paying an agents fee).

          Hope this answers your question but if not feel free to ping me another.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: PokerBroker on February 25, 2016, 04:59:02 PM
          How many properties have you in total?

          The main issue with this BTL subcharge is so many people across the industry aren't understanding it at all well.  My view is it's not going to make much difference and certainly won't help FTB's.   There aren't many FTB's getting turned over by the BTL landlords with an additional property supporting a pension or such like.  If anything the landlords making it difficult for the FTB market are the one's who wil get the subcharrge back as they wll be smart enough to expand the portfolio and set up Ltd companies. 

          This could have been a big step to help boost the property market for buyers, sellers and landlords but the Govt. has failed terribly.   I'm expecting a very busy March mnd you, I might take the last 2 weeks of the month off so when the proverbial does hit the fan I don't need to deal with it.   


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on February 25, 2016, 09:26:20 PM
          Thanks Rich. Much appreciated feedback. Thankfully you confirm my own views.

          PokerBroker:

          I have 2 BTL properties. The other one is in NW10, and it's a 2-bed, on which the yield is very good. It's a long term 'hold'. The one in E11 is only 1-bed, and it's not quite the best use of capital at this level of yield, hence the sale to release capital to finance a purchase (hopefully) of a 2-bed somewhere in the SE area.

          I have a business relationship with a guy who has contacts at all the London Housing Associations, who are always looking for properties into which they put vulnerable people from the housing register. Depending on the HA, you get a fixed term contract (mine are 3-5 years) during which you get a GTD rental income at the contracted rate. My associate is familiar with the decoration, fixtures & fittings requirements. For a reasonable fee, he finds the property, works out the rental income, negotiates the purchase, then gets it fit for HA use. After that, the cheques/DD's just keep coming. Yes, I have to deal with broken fittings & repairs, but I am contacted via the HA, and I have the option of taking care of the problem myself or using their workforce.

          I agree with Eso, in that the extra 3% will simply be factored into the equation for determining a workable rent. Ultimately, what BTL investors like me are looking for, are properties that will deliver capital appreciation over 15-20 years. My understanding is that I'll be able to transfer the properties into a pension 'envelope' which will help/avoid capital gains tax issues when the time comes to dispose. I have always believed strongly in property as a good long term investment, and so far these properties have not let me down.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on February 25, 2016, 10:05:37 PM
          Thanks Rich. Much appreciated feedback. Thankfully you confirm my own views.

          PokerBroker:

          I have 2 BTL properties. The other one is in NW10, and it's a 2-bed, on which the yield is very good. It's a long term 'hold'. The one in E11 is only 1-bed, and it's not quite the best use of capital at this level of yield, hence the sale to release capital to finance a purchase (hopefully) of a 2-bed somewhere in the SE area.

          I have a business relationship with a guy who has contacts at all the London Housing Associations, who are always looking for properties into which they put vulnerable people from the housing register. Depending on the HA, you get a fixed term contract (mine are 3-5 years) during which you get a GTD rental income at the contracted rate. My associate is familiar with the decoration, fixtures & fittings requirements. For a reasonable fee, he finds the property, works out the rental income, negotiates the purchase, then gets it fit for HA use. After that, the cheques/DD's just keep coming. Yes, I have to deal with broken fittings & repairs, but I am contacted via the HA, and I have the option of taking care of the problem myself or using their workforce.

          I agree with Eso, in that the extra 3% will simply be factored into the equation for determining a workable rent. Ultimately, what BTL investors like me are looking for, are properties that will deliver capital appreciation over 15-20 years. My understanding is that I'll be able to transfer the properties into a pension 'envelope' which will help/avoid capital gains tax issues when the time comes to dispose. I have always believed strongly in property as a good long term investment, and so far these properties have not let me down.

          Prob worth getting proper advice o the pensions front. Last year my accountant told me I couldn't put property in a pension. Then there is wtf are the Cons gonna do next to fuck over both landlords and pensions.
          Until the land becomes clearer on that i'm looking for renovations and sell-ons rather than rentals atm


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: PokerBroker on February 25, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
          My understanding is the property can't be wrapped in any pension product and only those owning more than 16btl's as a limited company will be able to avoid the sub charge.  Also tax relief on rental income is going and CGT will no doubt become harder to write off.  Instinctively it feels like the conservatives are trying to squeeze out the wannabe landlords and replace them with businesses who will benefit . . .  .


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: PokerBroker on February 26, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
          Thanks Rich. Much appreciated feedback. Thankfully you confirm my own views.

          PokerBroker:

          I have 2 BTL properties. The other one is in NW10, and it's a 2-bed, on which the yield is very good. It's a long term 'hold'. The one in E11 is only 1-bed, and it's not quite the best use of capital at this level of yield, hence the sale to release capital to finance a purchase (hopefully) of a 2-bed somewhere in the SE area.

          I have a business relationship with a guy who has contacts at all the London Housing Associations, who are always looking for properties into which they put vulnerable people from the housing register. Depending on the HA, you get a fixed term contract (mine are 3-5 years) during which you get a GTD rental income at the contracted rate. My associate is familiar with the decoration, fixtures & fittings requirements. For a reasonable fee, he finds the property, works out the rental income, negotiates the purchase, then gets it fit for HA use. After that, the cheques/DD's just keep coming. Yes, I have to deal with broken fittings & repairs, but I am contacted via the HA, and I have the option of taking care of the problem myself or using their workforce.

          I agree with Eso, in that the extra 3% will simply be factored into the equation for determining a workable rent. Ultimately, what BTL investors like me are looking for, are properties that will deliver capital appreciation over 15-20 years. My understanding is that I'll be able to transfer the properties into a pension 'envelope' which will help/avoid capital gains tax issues when the time comes to dispose. I have always believed strongly in property as a good long term investment, and so far these properties have not let me down.

          Prob worth getting proper advice o the pensions front. Last year my accountant told me I couldn't put property in a pension. Then there is wtf are the Cons gonna do next to fuck over both landlords and pensions.
          Until the land becomes clearer on that i'm looking for renovations and sell-ons rather than rentals atm

          We are taking over Eso's diary but no doubt this situation is going to impact a fair few people.   

          I was sent this yesterday.   But never looked at it till this morning - http://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/consultation-on-higher-rates-of-stamp-duty-land-tax-sdlt-on-purchases-of-additional-residential-properties/higher-rates-of-stamp-duty-land-tax-sdlt-on-purchases-of-additional-residential-properties?body


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2016, 10:27:40 AM
          ^^ haha no worries this diary hasn't had this much action since I knocked a chunk in 2 years ago 😂


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on February 26, 2016, 12:44:49 PM
          This diary needs you to borrow another chunk from the triads, then go missing and update from secret locations 👍🏻


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2016, 06:01:11 PM
          This diary needs you to borrow another chunk from the triads, then go missing and update from secret locations 👍🏻
          That might have to happen if my current venture goes tits up which I will come onto after but for now it's just Slovakia...

          So over half term we headed over to Slovakia to see Petra's folks and for the kids to see "Babi and Dodo" as we wont travel again now till well after the baby is born in May so it was nice to have a break and just do some internet research on my current venture which I will come back to in another post.

          I have been trying to look after myself and normally over there it's pretty hard as they are always feeding you or trying to give you a drink but I didn't do too bad this time with just a few extra carbs and a glass of wine when we went out for Valentines together.  The Slovak food is heavily meat based with some form of carbs and a variety of salads and they tend to eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper.

          It was a bit easier to manage to stay away from the alcohol this time as for those that dont know I was diagnosed with a pretty severe Hiatus Hernia in December and have been on a heavy course of drugs after my Endoscopy which is not a pleasant experience so used those as an excuse to not drink and tbh I am not a big drinker anyway.

          These are the kinds of dishes common over there
          This is Schnitzel with a potato salad that is served in a water, sweet vinegar and pepper mix
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_132.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_133.jpg)

          Valentines Night we escaped the kids and headed for this wooden hut in a nearby village where really only locals would go but it was great with a big open fire and we had one of those rare occasions when you have kids and just get chance to be alone for a bit.

          Here's Petra having a Kofola which is a fizzy slovak drink that I have never tried! Obv it's not alcoholic as you can see from the next photo where my Ribs had turned up and it seemed to be a baby bears worth her bump is progressing nicely.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_134.jpg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_135.jpg)

          A roast served with rice and shredded cucumber salad again served in a small bowl of sweet vinegar, water and pepper
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_138.jpg)

          For some of their dishes they make this bread called Knedle (pronounced Kenedeller) which they make on the day and is just flour and water with a bit of salt, no yeast is added and then instead of being baked it's steamed which gives a spongy texture to it and soaks up a lot of the sauces that they may serve that dish with be it goulash or venison meat balls etc

          Here is her mum making it
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S52jbRc2XF0
          Then before it's steamed
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_137.jpg)
          Then served with Meatballs and a tomato sauce
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_136.jpg)

          This must have been probably the unhealthiest thing I ate in our week away and looks pretty rank but actually tasted incred.

          Its dumplings that are filled with jam and served with Granko (basically Chocolate used to make a chocolate milkshake) which then melts form the heat of the steamed dumplings.  I only managed to eat 3 before Max had to help with the 4th one! Honest Harvey!!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_139.jpg)

          One misty day we went to this little animal park tucked away in a village that again having driven 10 mins down a country road only locals could ever know it's there and yet you get inside and its a great place for the kids
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_141.jpg)
          and whilst driving down this road and many other roads you see trees that have a mark on them like the next photo which means that you can approach whoever owns the land and ask them if anyone else has reserved the tree and then if not either the owner or you can cut down said tree and either you come back to collect the chopped up wood or he delivers it to your address which then feeds your open fire or wooden fueled central heating system for a while once you have stored and dried out the wood.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_140.jpg)

          Here were the kids in the little cafe part of the park having a little dance ;)
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJa_eKa54WY


          So having been back from there for a week now it's been back to planning the current venture and definitely the biggest project I have ever been involved in and a few people on here would have received FB messages the other day asking them to like a page which was so we could check and change if required our FB Url but also is the start of the drip feed of a business that is due to launch in Chelmsford High Street in mid June subject to me gaining the change of use required to A3 with a planning application gone in 2 weeks ago and the lease being acceptable to my solicitor.

          I will post about this later on with a photo of my premises and a video tour as it stands currently and this currently consumes all my time in planning, working with designers, doing courses as with the exception of one smaller investor myself and Petra are financing this ourselves in what is realistically including our starting cash flow a six figure investment and hopefully the proof of concept venue that will enable us to either crowdfund or from profits roll out a further few of these venues over the next few years.

          More about this later...


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
          So back in November whilst in Malta for a break and the IPT/EPT there was a pop up stand at the casino from a guy who had about 5 venues in Malta called Dr Juice and he was mobbed with poker players taking his juices, porridge and healthy salads and as I bust everything on day 1 I spent some time in his other venues and contacted him on my return to the UK as I knew he offered an international franchise but as I didnt particularly like his branding and felt the price was a bit high I decided to do a load of research myself rather than spend £40k euro on the franchise rights and then £10k every store that opens.

          The research I did was into brands such as Crussh, Leon, Abokado, Psycle and Juice Garden and then when in Sheffield for the GPS stumbled on a little place called Nourish where 3 guys had set up and have now opened there 2nd place in Leeds with them all offering a healthy option breakfast and lunch either food to go venue or eat in with a wide range of juices that supplement the menu.

          I realized that positioned right and in the correct locations there was an opportunity to invest in what through my research is a growth market over the next years and with many spin off's that my business plan allows me to do hopefully we will be able to meet our ambitious expansion plans which see us with 5-6 venues in similarly affluent towns or cities to where we launch our first venue in June.  There probably isnt a middle ground with this and it may well be a boom or bust scenario with us firmly set up for either eventuality and it wont break us if it did go tits in 2 years time but it will bloody well hurt but there is a massive upside if we get it right which makes it exciting enough to take this punt.

          So in December I started working with a branding company and we came up with 4-5 different brands and as our expansion plans see us as a multiple outlet business we have tried to think of this as a "Brand" from day1 which is often hard as you are not trading but hopefully will set us in good stead and in January we decided after being given the proofs of the brands and floating them around people who's judgement we respect and 95% of them came back unguided with the same brand being one they felt comfortable with and one they felt was already familiar to them which was "Juice Kitchen"
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_114.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_116.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_115.jpg)

          So having researched the local area the best place to launch this for a number of reasons that I will keep to myself for now was Chelmsford but this is the closest City which obviously I can get to in commutable distance so it was a case of finding a premises but we really wanted a high street location but again that comes at a premium price and with all the current development going on in the city rents are absolutely extortionate with 20 doors down from me Pret currently paying £130'000 per annum for a premises that is about half as big as mine.

          I spent 6 weeks doing various research on the numbers that the big chains do and the smaller guys to see if I felt I could make it work and also look at staff etc and there is definitely £££ in this city with my average day being 9am-9.30 head count of all 15 bits of competition, 9.30-11.30 sat in a nearby competitor seeing how any people they serve in that 2 hour window and equating an average spend, 11.30-12 another head count in 15 venues, 12-2pm sit in probably my closest competitor in terms of concept and look at the numbers of people they serve and then a final 2.30 head count.

          Early in January I viewed for a second time this venue with my designer who has recently designed a bar and grill in the town so has dealt with the planners and has a good idea as to what it will cost me to get the doors open (I had an idea but wanted to know what he thought about cost, concept etc) and having seen it again I made an offer to the landlord who we had met that day in passing whilst looking in the basement.  I actually think it was partly this meeting that sealed the premises for me as later that day having sent them a bank statement to prove my covenance and some exerts of my business plan I had an offer accepted and we are now just a few weeks away from being ready on the lease just waiting on planning when we will start the build.

          This is the venue with Jamie's Italian right next door at the very top of the High St
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg)
          Here it is inside literally still like a C & G with no desks, staff although the safe is still there so I'm hoping I find some loot!
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EqopQbtCqY
          Where it cuts off the second clip takes over and will be the area for the kitchen and customer toilets when you see the plan
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOZ5dR550Vg

          So as well as this space upstairs we also have 600sq ft in the basement which will basically be used for kitchen prep, storage and there are staff toilets and a small staff area too with the basement not requiring too much work.

          The layout lends itself to the design we have anyway due to the size etc so this is the proposed layout
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_143.jpg)

          and this gives an idea as to the general mood of the place we will be creating being the mood board we came up with recently
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_144.jpg)

          This is an exert from my plan which just gives you an idea as to what we will be doing and some of the associated spin offs that will launch once the shop has started trading in June.

          "Juice Kitchen was born from a personal frustration at the lack of healthy eating food to go venues and the Chelmsford premises aims to be the first of a planned roll out of further sites having built an eye catching brand offering a Healthy “Go To” alternative to conventional fast food outlets in our targeted towns and cities.

          Juice Kitchen will serve 100% freshly extracted fruit and vegetable based juices, smoothies and delicious healthy, nutritious food from breakfasts, wholesome wraps, soups, salad boxes at an affordable price all made fresh that day in our premises with all the nutritional & macro information transparent.

          There are also a number of other associated spin offs that can be built into the business once we are trading to further increase the turnover further including Meal Prep for individual clients, Delivery Service to local businesses, Attending local fetes and festivals, Outside catering service to businesses for meetings, Snack Box subscription, Healthy Honesty Box in local businesses with the whole business having a community aspect to it via working with people less fortunate that others through a “Pay it Forward” loyalty card scheme which will be launched within the first 6 months of trading".


          It's probably the most exciting yet scary thing I have done in my life as I am basically "ALL IN" in cash terms on this coupled with the fact I am just taking a survival budget salary for the first 18 months it's a massive investment with the build and equipment being £60k to doors open and is the main reason you wont see me this week at DTD or around the tour stops I used to frequent much (except maybe Southend GPS in March) as eg this week spending £1k plus ex's in Nottingham is the equivalent of a commercial blender for our superfood smoothies (bet none of you thought you would ever hear me saying that!)

          Obviously it wont be me cooking the food and I will be working with a manager with me being a trainee manager I suppose to learn but work it 24/7 for hopefully the time when we choose which avenue to expand with and as it's a healthy kitchen I am working with IRaise (Harvey) and Zerofive (Sean) on the nutritional side who will work adhoc alongside myself and the Head Chef in the creation of Nutritious, Healthy and Tasty dishes on a seasonal menu.

          We are lucky we have the run in to opening as it gives us time to get things right and drip feed the marketing out there so feel free to like the page on FB (its Juice Kitchen) as the more likes the better even if you are spread around the UK (this is actually better) and I will post more as we go through the process to opening etc


          GL to all Blondes at DTD this weekend and I hope to catch up with some in a few weeks at Southend.

          Obv if anyone has any questions or suggestions then feel free to post.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on February 26, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
          Those Schnitzels look delicious


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
          Those Schnitzels look delicious
          Cheers Boo

          I prefer the Chicken ones her mum makes but these were pork which are cut on the sides in about 8-10 places and then hit with the mallet to soften the meat before coated and cooked.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: DMorgan on February 26, 2016, 08:16:58 PM
          Looks great Rich,  seems to have a lot of parallels with Fruccola.

          This place in Budapest was always very very busy, glgl with it

          http://fruccola.hu/english.html


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 26, 2016, 08:54:07 PM
          Looks great Rich,  seems to have a lot of parallels with Fruccola.

          This place in Budapest was always very very busy, glgl with it

          http://fruccola.hu/english.html
          Thanks Dan, quite a few similarities there.

          Do you live in Hungary now as well? If so how's it going & what are you upto?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Devil Whale on February 27, 2016, 12:22:31 AM
          Rich
          just logged on and seen your up coming project really please for you it looks great, i know we have sat around a poker table for the last few years but not sure if you know what i do for a living, we fit out shops / coffee bars around the uk and build bespoke counters & supply & install seating etc, not sure what stage your at but if you would like any advise or budgets for your fit out i would be more than happy to help.
          Waggy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 27, 2016, 07:49:00 AM
          Rich
          just logged on and seen your up coming project really please for you it looks great, i know we have sat around a poker table for the last few years but not sure if you know what i do for a living, we fit out shops / coffee bars around the uk and build bespoke counters & supply & install seating etc, not sure what stage your at but if you would like any advise or budgets for your fit out i would be more than happy to help.
          Waggy
          Hi Waggy
          I never knew that was what you did, as I'm unlikely to see you around the scene if you want to send me a message on messenger with your phone number (use Eso Kral) and we can chat.

          Edit that I just sent you a PM with my number (you can't reply unless you have 10+ posts though) so we can speak next week

          Gl if you play this weekend mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on February 27, 2016, 09:12:50 AM

          Very best of luck Rich

          You have got the determination and drive to succeed which is a big bonus

          Will miss our poker tour chats


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on February 27, 2016, 12:04:38 PM
          As I've mentioned before my family came from what is now Belarus just before the turn of the 19thC and knedl or knedlech are a staple addition to no less a Jewish staple dish than chicken soup.

          I make them myself every time I make a new batch of "Jewish Penicillin", those little round dumplings are the perfect accompaniment.

          More great diarage Rich and I wish you the best of luck with your venture.

          Have you ever heard of a franchise called Papaya Hut? They used to abound in Toronto when I lived there during the 1970's and that papaya juice was delicious and seemed to be nutricious too. I've never come across any since then.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: nirvana on February 27, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
          Have had my fair share of similar dumplings with my wife being from Austria - in Austria they are Knoedl and I like them sweet -mmm Germknoedl and savoury from Tirol the delish Tiroler Speckknoedl

          Good luck with the ventures Rich


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on February 27, 2016, 07:06:17 PM
          Always enjoy your updates on your travels in Slovakia, and I trust that the 2nd hand children's clothes business is still providing a decent living for your mother-in-law over there?

          After the false starts and poor luck you've endured to date, I hope this one gets up & running with a sprint start. (IMO this health-food/drinks-bar project is far better than the pulled-pork/BBQ meat idea). All the very best of luck to you and the other Blondes involved - you certainly deserve it for taking this project forward with Petra "invested" with the third Blacklock.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 28, 2016, 08:36:22 AM

          Very best of luck Rich

          You have got the determination and drive to succeed which is a big bonus

          Will miss our poker tour chats
          Cheers Trevor, I am sure we will get the chance before the year is out to have a chat about how you were long on xxx stock and it went the other way and you still came up goulden ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 28, 2016, 08:42:39 AM
          As I've mentioned before my family came from what is now Belarus just before the turn of the 19thC and knedl or knedlech are a staple addition to no less a Jewish staple dish than chicken soup.

          I make them myself every time I make a new batch of "Jewish Penicillin", those little round dumplings are the perfect accompaniment.

          More great diarage Rich and I wish you the best of luck with your venture.

          Have you ever heard of a franchise called Papaya Hut? They used to abound in Toronto when I lived there during the 1970's and that papaya juice was delicious and seemed to be nutricious too. I've never come across any since then.
          I am pretty sure I remember us having a conversation about Knedele on a fairway whilst I was being hustled :)

          Papaya Hut didnt show up in my research this time although a few American ones did and Franchising is something that we would look at later if we didn't have an exit strategy sale in the plan if successful.

          When the weathers a bit warmer and the fairways harder I may even attempt to have my yearly round with you again and donate towards the winter heating bill  ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on February 28, 2016, 08:54:19 AM
          Have had my fair share of similar dumplings with my wife being from Austria - in Austria they are Knoedl and I like them sweet -mmm Germknoedl and savoury from Tirol the delish Tiroler Speckknoedl

          Good luck with the ventures Rich
          You Sir should write a book!

          Always enjoy your updates on your travels in Slovakia, and I trust that the 2nd hand children's clothes business is still providing a decent living for your mother-in-law over there?

          After the false starts and poor luck you've endured to date, I hope this one gets up & running with a sprint start. (IMO this health-food/drinks-bar project is far better than the pulled-pork/BBQ meat idea). All the very best of luck to you and the other Blondes involved - you certainly deserve it for taking this project forward with Petra "invested" with the third Blacklock.
          Thanks Phil
          Being London based I bet you come across a lot of these places which although with a higher concentrated footfall have much higher rents to contend with and more competition and still make it work.  When I first went to look at Abokado I thought they were a little tinpot company due to the outside of the premises I was looking at and then checked out their website to find a husband and wife team had built up 26 premises from scratch.

          The shop in Slovakia still ticks over and is whilst shows a 5 figure profit yearly definitely more of a family benefit with her mum able to run it and walk a couple of minutes to work everyday and back whilst benefiting their village which means way more than money.

          The Smokehouse idea got a bit messy as there was too many investors so it was destined to be a non starter so its good that with this one we have nearly all the risk with the only other investor being one of the guys who was made redundant from the agents around the same time as me and he is just about to launch his online agent in our area but wanted a sweat as over the past few months we have had weekly meetings to discuss our respective businesses and been on various courses locally so he has seen the idea grow from me thinking I could open it with 30k lolz to where we are today.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on February 28, 2016, 11:36:01 AM
          As I've mentioned before my family came from what is now Belarus just before the turn of the 19thC and knedl or knedlech are a staple addition to no less a Jewish staple dish than chicken soup.

          I make them myself every time I make a new batch of "Jewish Penicillin", those little round dumplings are the perfect accompaniment.

          More great diarage Rich and I wish you the best of luck with your venture.

          Have you ever heard of a franchise called Papaya Hut? They used to abound in Toronto when I lived there during the 1970's and that papaya juice was delicious and seemed to be nutricious too. I've never come across any since then.
          I am pretty sure I remember us having a conversation about Knedele on a fairway whilst I was being hustled :)

          Papaya Hut didnt show up in my research this time although a few American ones did and Franchising is something that we would look at later if we didn't have an exit strategy sale in the plan if successful.

          When the weathers a bit warmer and the fairways harder I may even attempt to have my yearly round with you again and donate towards the winter heating bill  ;D

          We're on a few temporary greens at present but the course will be in good shape for you to get your own back from mid-May. You know you're always welcome and it'll be my treat this time.

          I wasn't suggesting a franchise when I mentioned Papaya Hut, just how delicious the papaya juice was and how I've never seen it offered anywhere.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 02, 2016, 06:02:43 PM
          Saw this at a trade show yesterday that made me chuckle!

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_145.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: DMorgan on March 02, 2016, 07:01:15 PM
          Looks great Rich,  seems to have a lot of parallels with Fruccola.

          This place in Budapest was always very very busy, glgl with it

          http://fruccola.hu/english.html
          Thanks Dan, quite a few similarities there.

          Do you live in Hungary now as well? If so how's it going & what are you upto?

          No I was there for a few months a couple of years ago, back in Sheffield now living in a converted pub with another poker player, a couple of muggle friends and the PLO dog

          I spend most of my time in the trenches playing PLO just enjoying the easy life really. I took up a forex trading job for a little while last year with a startup investment management firm, getting qualified to do proprietary trading work mainly trading from home with company dime and replicating their trades with my own money. It seemed like it would be a good fit alongside poker but fairly quickly it became clear that it was gunna have to be one or the other so I threw myself back into the lab studying and working on my PLO game and its working out pretty well. I'm able to do something that I enjoy for a living and I have great people around me so its all good!

          I didn't miss live poker for a long time but I've kinda been feeling the bug again so next time theres an event at DTD I'll be coming down for a bit of PLO cash so maybe run into you there? The last time I played live was the Wembley ISPT which feels like an age ago!

          glgl with the business, hope you ping the lot


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2016, 12:47:07 PM
          Well were about 10 weeks away from baby number 3 coming along and whilst in Slovakia we had a maternity/family shoot done with a photographer that we have used previously and these were the resultant photos of which there are a couple of crackers
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_147.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_148.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_150.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_151.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_152.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_153.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_155.jpg)

          In before Vinny with the one below as we still cannot afford any shoes in the house ;)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_156.jpg)

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_159.jpg)

          Business wise our planning permission to change the usage from A1 to A3 has now been formally received and entered on the planning website so hopefully sometime in April we should gain that and be ready to sign the lease when we will then be able to start the building work around the time the little one is due which will provide it's own set of challenges (I love a bit of pressure!)

          Next week is my first outing of the year at GPS Westcliff as it would be rude not to play in my own backyard but I don't harbor any great expectation having not picked up a card since December but am looking forward to the chance to play tbh so if anyone is travelling and wants to grab dinner then lmk.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 09, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
          I'm down next week.

          Available for dinner around North London or Luton.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2016, 01:04:23 PM
          I'm down next week.

          Available for dinner around North London or Luton.
          Sigh!

          Just you or am I buying the clan dinner?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 09, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
          I'm down next week.

          Available for dinner around North London or Luton.
          Sigh!

          Just you or am I buying the clan dinner?

          They are down too, so if Petra wants to meet up, don't know if that's piss with the kids at school etc. We'll discuss it when you ring me two weeks ago ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 09, 2016, 06:41:24 PM
          Beautiful pics mate


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2016, 06:54:54 PM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on March 09, 2016, 07:20:20 PM
          Those are gorgeous photos and aren't the kids growing up apace.

          I particularly like the detail in the black and white pics.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 09, 2016, 09:17:45 PM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2016, 09:21:29 PM
          Those are gorgeous photos and aren't the kids growing up apace.

          I particularly like the detail in the black and white pics.
          Cheers Ralph
          Oh they are growing quickly and on Sunday Ivy is 3 and 10 days later Max turns 5. They are great kids though and excited about having a baby brother to fuss over although Ivy still wants to call him Rosie 😂.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 09, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.
          Lmk if you are definitely coming mate and we can have a bite sometime over the few days.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 09, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.
          Lmk if you are definitely coming mate and we can have a bite sometime over the few days.

          Will do.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 10, 2016, 12:14:26 AM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.
          Lmk if you are definitely coming mate and we can have a bite sometime over the few days.

          Will do.

          I'm very close to Cockfosters and that restaurant you were talking about.

          Just saying.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bobAlike on March 10, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.
          Lmk if you are definitely coming mate and we can have a bite sometime over the few days.

          Will do.

          I'm very close to Cockfosters and that restaurant you were talking about.

          Just saying.

          Will bare that in mind as I drive by mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on March 10, 2016, 11:39:06 AM
          Beautiful pics mate
          Thanks mate, I've not forgot about that thing we were speaking about.  Has it launched yet?

          The first site is up but needs tweaking, not using it yet for orders just testing. I'm thinking of coming down to Southend for the GPS as long as work permits. Hope fully see you there.
          Lmk if you are definitely coming mate and we can have a bite sometime over the few days.

          Will do.

          I'm very close to Cockfosters and that restaurant you were talking about.

          Just saying.

          Will bare that in mind as I drive by mate.

          :)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2016, 12:15:41 PM
          This time of year is always tinged with great happiness and sadness at the same time as on the positive side on the 17th March was the first time that myself and Petra went out on a date (courting if Tikay is reading this) and the 13th and 23rd see Ivy's and Max's respective Birthdays but the 19th is the anniversary of my Dad passing away.

          Here he is
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_2.jpeg)

          He was a great man and had time for everyone and was a very giving person and when his illness hit him hard he just toughed it out and said he didn't want any respite treatment just to prolong life for 18months and knew his time was his time.

          I wish he was around to see the kids as he would have been an amazing grandad and there isn't a day that goes by without him in my thoughts and luckily we saved a few of his ashes to be scattered close to by where we are so that the kids have somewhere close they can come to remember him.  He always wanted to live by the sea but never got chance so I found him a lovely spot just by the seafront by the gardens and this beautiful Horse Chestnut tree is where he rests overlooking the estuary and the benches give the opportunity to just sit and have a chat to him on shared occasions.

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpeg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image.jpeg)

          RIP Dad.


          This week has also seen further planning on the business and every week there is something new to think about in the schedule which makes life really exciting but I took a couple of days this week and played 1a of the GPS Southend, needed 1b too mind :( but today we go back with 71000 chips to 1600bb with about 70 left so I'm hoping for a bit of karma run good today to give me a chance of softening the blow of the chunk of money were outlaying over the coming months.

          Have a great weekend everyone.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on March 19, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
          Lost my old fella suddenly two months ago, still struggling to come to terms but watching u on live stream makes me smile 88 gl mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on March 19, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
          Thoughts with you, Rich.

          All the best today.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2016, 05:31:55 PM
          Lost my old fella suddenly two months ago, still struggling to come to terms but watching u on live stream makes me smile 88 gl mate.
          Sorry to hear about your sad loss Mike <3

          That was a nice and timely double up as you say as I chipped down solidly in the first 2 levels of today so we're back in it a bit.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 19, 2016, 05:32:35 PM
          Thoughts with you, Rich.

          All the best today.
          Thanks Mark.  Hope you are having a great time abroad mate.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on March 19, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
          Thoughts with you, Rich.

          All the best today.
          Thanks Mark.  Hope you are having a great time abroad mate.

          Betting, booze, and BBQs... How could I not ;D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on March 20, 2016, 12:23:37 PM
          Lost my old fella suddenly two months ago, still struggling to come to terms but watching u on live stream makes me smile 88 gl mate.
          Sorry to hear about your sad loss Mike <3

          That was a nice and timely double up as you say as I chipped down solidly in the first 2 levels of today so we're back in it a bit.....
          Sadly GPS Southend was not meant to be for me although I do have a 10% swap out who is a top 3 stack with 14 left so got a chance of some £££.  I went back with 71k and was sat to the left of Watto who had chunks and just opened every spot and having lost 30k pretty quickly I sat on 15-20bbs for about 4 hours and just grinded it through, picking up pots here and there and apart from being AI on the live stream with 88 v AJ I was never called so at dinner break with 75k and 12 off the money going back to 4k bb I knew I would need a double up.

          Unfortunately having found KK after a Ben Winsor open we 3b leaving a pot sized bet back which went in on J88 but Ben had peeled the 3b with JJ so I was drawing thin and exited in 29th 5 off the money.

          I realized that I love live poker with the banter and catching up with people who you only see from time to time and it was great to see some faces this week but I wont be playing again now for god knows how long as it's back to the project.....

          GL to anyone playing today or punters in general.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on May 16, 2016, 05:03:07 PM
          Buy-to-Let Property investment advice required.

          I purchased a BTL in Willesden Green 6 years ago for c.£160k through an agent who has relationships with all the London Housing Associations. I put up 25% equity plus costs, and for a fee he finds the property and oversees the process of the refurb so that it meets HA requirements. I then get a 3 year contract with the HA for GTD rental income with no voids. We know what the rent will be in advance, so we can calculate the yield accurately.

          Fast forward 6 years; at the end of the 2nd lease the HA found permanent accommodation for my tenant, so they decided to execute a hand-back of the property. It's now vacant and my agent has made the following proposal - and this is what I'd like your advice on (and anyone else who has knowledge in this area):

          The property needs to be cleaned, re-painted, re-carpeted, re-Lino-ed etc so that it will be in satisfactory condition for a new HA tenant on a new 3-year lease of £1325.00 per month. The agent has quoted a price of £6350 to do this work.

          However, he has also made an alternative suggestion: since there is sufficient floor space to create a 3rd bedroom by re-jigging the rooms upstairs, at a cost of £15k (net of a £3k grant) the monthly rent would increase to £1755 over a 5 year lease rather than the 3 year duration if the bigger refurb isn't done. However, because the planning application & approval process can take quite awhile, and mean a lengthy rental void, he has suggested doing the work anyway and then apply for planning permission retrospectively when the time comes - I.e if/when I sell it. If unapproved, he says it can simply be converted back at approx £6k.

          So, there will be roughly £25k extra rental income over 5 years if the 3-bed refurb is done, but approx £20k will be eaten by the cost & possible back-conversion. In addition, the conversion will be in place without planning permission, and if we need to sell, the permission will need to be applied for anyway or the conversion reversed.

          Do you know what the likelihood of a retrospective planning approval would be?
          Do you think this 3-bed proposition sounds a sensible option?

          My gut says no - but I'm risk averse, and I don't like the idea of doing work without permissions.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: EvilPie on May 16, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
          What a beautiful dilemma to have :)

          Don't forget that your £6350 will be a deductible expense whereas the £15k would be an improvement so won't be.

          Looks like almost a no-brainer to just leave it given the numbers never mind the risk of any issues with planning.



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 16, 2016, 09:42:28 PM
          As Matt says a nice dilemma to have!

          Ok I have sold many properties over the years that have had major work done but didnt have the correct permissions or building regs in place at the point of sale many years down the line and as long as it is handled correctly then it should not be a problem for a buyer.

          I would ask an architect to have a look first (most will give you an initial consultation FOC) where they will tell you whether you need planning permission or whether building regs only are required and then I would take a free consultation with a solicitor and ask them about the implications as whilst not a lawyer it's not normally the thing a council randomly check unless they are made aware and after x years (4 years) http://www.gardandco.com/conveyancing/planning-permission.html then they cannot ask you to take the property back to it's initial form however you will still need to sort things out for your buyer which should be done at the outset.

          Once you are under offer you should through the agent make them aware and offer to cover the cost of an indemnity insurance policy (We have done these for clients with similar problems) and the policy covers the buyers against the council coming back after them once they have completed but you shouldnt contact the council to ask for retrospective planning permission as then an indemnity policy wouldnt cover you as you have made the council aware of the problem so if you dont want to wait for retrospective permission (could be you or your buyers are in a rush) then offering a insurance policy at the cost of around £300 inc vat should suffice.

          I would also consider the capital growth in terms of the risk involved as adding an extra room in London or surrounding should add anything from £20-30k (maybe more but thats a question for your agent in that area) I would imagine.

          The indemnity insurance question is probably a good one to ask the solicitor as well imo but they are ten a penny as are used for people who knocked through a wall from lounge to dining room to have a through lounge but needed building regs through to if you could replace your own windows but are not fensa registered and people who did extensions, added conservatories etc.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on May 17, 2016, 10:08:25 AM

          Hows your new venture going Rich?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: 4KSuited on May 17, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
          As Matt says a nice dilemma to have!

          Ok I have sold many properties over the years that have had major work done but didnt have the correct permissions or building regs in place at the point of sale many years down the line and as long as it is handled correctly then it should not be a problem for a buyer.

          I would ask an architect to have a look first (most will give you an initial consultation FOC) where they will tell you whether you need planning permission or whether building regs only are required and then I would take a free consultation with a solicitor and ask them about the implications as whilst not a lawyer it's not normally the thing a council randomly check unless they are made aware and after x years (4 years) http://www.gardandco.com/conveyancing/planning-permission.html then they cannot ask you to take the property back to it's initial form however you will still need to sort things out for your buyer which should be done at the outset.

          Once you are under offer you should through the agent make them aware and offer to cover the cost of an indemnity insurance policy (We have done these for clients with similar problems) and the policy covers the buyers against the council coming back after them once they have completed but you shouldnt contact the council to ask for retrospective planning permission as then an indemnity policy wouldnt cover you as you have made the council aware of the problem so if you dont want to wait for retrospective permission (could be you or your buyers are in a rush) then offering a insurance policy at the cost of around £300 inc vat should suffice.

          I would also consider the capital growth in terms of the risk involved as adding an extra room in London or surrounding should add anything from £20-30k (maybe more but thats a question for your agent in that area) I would imagine.

          The indemnity insurance question is probably a good one to ask the solicitor as well imo but they are ten a penny as are used for people who knocked through a wall from lounge to dining room to have a through lounge but needed building regs through to if you could replace your own windows but are not fensa registered and people who did extensions, added conservatories etc.


          Thanks Rich. I've read the info on the gardandco page, and there's a couple of points that arise:

          1. The 4 year "limitation clause" suggests that as long as the council are unaware of the conversion, and that permission is not actually applied for, the works can stand. However what's the process for getting the deeds to match the property particulars? There's also a suggestion that the council still has the right to demand restoration even after 4 years have passed and they knew nothing of the changes. Or have I misunderstood?

          2. Interestingly, the grant application is through the local council "Grants Team, Private Housing Services" (Brent). There are loads of forms to complete, so I haven't yet looked at the detail, but I'm supposing that somewhere in there they'll be asking about the number of rooms in the property. Thus, by default, the Council will at least be indirectly aware of the proposed change in configuration. Critically, this means that the Planning Indemnity Insurance policy becomes invalidated. On top of this, my agent charges a 10% fee for 'handling' the grant application (though I believe it's me who has to fill in all the forms), so I'll be getting a net £2,700 (his estimate) at the end of the process.

          Is this now sounding too complicated & risky a process?

          The Building Regs vs Planning Permission sounds like the best possible route, so I will endeavour to consult a local architect on the matter in the coming days.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 17, 2016, 10:24:59 PM

          Hows your new venture going Rich?
          Hi Trevor,
          Hope all is good with you.

          I will come back with an update tomorrow when I can put some photos up.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on May 18, 2016, 08:51:03 AM

          Are you at DTD this weekend sir


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on May 18, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

          Are you at DTD this weekend sir

          Lol, he would be even more of a hero if he could pull that off.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on May 18, 2016, 02:47:55 PM

          Are you at DTD this weekend sir

          Lol, he would be even more of a hero if he could pull that off.

          Behind the curve obviously


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 18, 2016, 07:19:57 PM

          Are you at DTD this weekend sir

          Lol, he would be even more of a hero if he could pull that off.
          You should check out the staking board son ;)



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 18, 2016, 09:57:52 PM

          Hows your new venture going Rich?
          So since my last update things have really moved on and we have been busy working on brand and premises whilst waiting for the change of use planning permission as we needed A3 usage which we should have had the determination date from the council on my birthday the 21st April but instead of getting the result I got a phone call to say that they had cocked up and as the property was located in a conservation area should have advertised it in a newspaper for 3 consecutive weeks but had forgot but unfortunately it had to go in before they could give the decision even though in the email it was saying they would say yes.

          This is obviously pretty annoying as there is then a 1 week consultation period before we get the say so but in saying that it did me a favour as 8 weeks ago my designer had said that he had been meaning to ask me since we had been working together if I would sell him 10% so we agreed a deal and then he said his personal trainer wanted to meet me and we started off a process where on my second meeting with the PT and his GF they expressed an interest in buying 35% and I put together a deal for them but they had a row which clouded what they could do as a couple and he asked whether he could have 1 week to raise the cash elsewhere as she was the one with the ££ and as he had come through my designer I agreed but said I would keep the channels of communication open with her as she said her money would come in independently and a week later he was no further forward so I had a couple of meeting with her and she had a couple of days but in the meantime he was badgering her telling her that she shouldnt invest as he would feel bad as he wouldnt be part of it and as they are a bit on off her judgement was clouded but I couldnt wait so said I was going to do my own thing.

          Which means I have pretty much raised some extra ££ to fill the gap left by the others and also had to cut back some of the spend we were making as keeping the pennies back to survive the first 6-12 months is key and all in all it now means subject to signing the lease in the next 14 days it is well over a 6 figure investment for us now and adds that extra pressure that hopefully we will thrive off.

          So we should get the decision on Monday 23rd and hope to get the lease completed within a week with the build starting on or around the 1st June.

          A few pages back there were a few photos of how the front looked with also a couple of videos of the layout etc and the other day this is how the inside was as the landlord has started the strip out (he has to hand it to us as a brick shell) when myself, Dwight the designer and Mark the builder (who we are currently trying to agree an equity deal as well with) visited to go through the proposed specs.

          This is front to back view
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_18.jpeg)

          Proposed kitchen area with the wall to be about 1 metre from this stud work
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_19.jpeg)

          The view from the back towards the front
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpeg)


          Then I went back to reinspect it this week so this was Tuesday with the view from front to back showing the kitchen area (my proposed head chef is in the shorts) and the walkway that will go through to the toilets.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_8.jpeg)

          The view toward the front
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_9.jpeg)

          and today after the wall which we hope to expose the brickwork further has now had the studwork removed so we can see the quality of the bricks and whether we can have a feature wall
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_5.jpeg)


          In theory there are a couple of niggles to sort out on the lease and then if all is good we will get the keys and start work in the first week of June with a 3-4 week build and then a couple of weeks of staff training, stress testing the premises and kitchen, promotion in the city which will start about 2 weeks into the build and then launch 1st or 2nd week of July.

          I will post more photo's up as we go and the coming weeks are filled with the nitty gritty stuff like packaging, tables, chairs, recruitment, uniforms, menus etc.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 18, 2016, 11:21:37 PM
          So this week also brought the massive change as we gave birth to our 3rd child Quinn Charles Blacklock who was born Friday afternoon at 6.36pm and I thought I would write about the experience from a "blokes perspective"

          So we have been through all the emotions since we have conceived with finding out that we had a vanishing twin, a redundancy, the business venture and the usual stresses of day to day life but we are a pretty good team as a unit and very relaxed as a couple.

          Both Max and Ivy were born at home with Max being born in our bedroom and Ivy in the lounge as Petra was low risk both times and this time was no different so we had planned to have our baby at home again but knowing that if something went wrong we were prepared to go to hospital and Petra invested a lot of time in looking at Hynobirthing which is a spiritual way of looking at birth and that they really take control and are confident of the process and use relaxation techniques to help with the birth.

          Seeing your baby move is one of the most amazing experiences and wonders of pregnancy in my opinion and if you look at the middle bit of her bump you will clearly see him move an arm or leg which is incredible
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv1zwdgt6MY

          At around 8pm on Thursday evening Petra started to feel the odd contraction start so we fitted the Tens machine to her back and sat and relaxed watching tv and as we were having another home birth just got ourselves ready.  We loved having home births and I hope if anyone having a baby in future who is low risk tries this as you are so much more comfortable in your own environment which is better for mum and baby and you get dedicated care with in our area (am sure it's the same elsewhere) one midwife coming when you have called in and once they class you as being established in labour a second midwife coming and they both stay with you until a couple of hours after the baby has been born when they just shut the door behind themselves and leave you to be as a family.

          We went to bed at about 10pm and slept till 3.45am when her contractions woke her again so we went downstairs and had a drink and chatted about the day ahead and made a few calls to first of all our birth photographer as Petra wanted to experience life the other side of the camera this time and Angie was to be with us from mid labour through to an hour or so after birth and capture the moments you never get back with her knowing the boundaries of what should/should not be shot and give us photo's that cannot be replicated.

          Petra also decided that she wanted her placenta encapsulated which means its placed in a tuppaware box and picked up the next day and they make you a fruit smoothie (this wont be on the juice menu at our place btw) as its beneficial to the mum and then they make a load of capsules that are to be taken daily over the first couple of weeks that again have health benefits to a new mum but you call them when you go into labour so they know to come within 24 hours of you giving birth.

          We also called the hospital to let them know that Petra was in labour and they told us that there was no midwife who could come and see us so if we wanted to be seen we would have to go to hospital which was never going to happen (they can do this if short staffed) and a woman has the right to give birth wherever she wishes and they have to react so we said we would wait till the morning shift came on at 8am and call back then unless we went into established labour early and the next couple of hours were spent lighting some candles, getting the snacks ready for Petra, midwifes etc, a warm drink and away we go.

          At 5.30 am on Friday 13th Max wakes and comes downstairs and we sit him down and explain that today he is likely to become a big brother again and ask him if he wants to stay with us or go to school, we actively encourage the kids at a young age to experience life and had built them up that if they wanted to be around as we birthed it was cool so never felt they shouldnt be with us but he chose to go to school albeit they were told we may take him out early if baby came during school time as Ivy finishes pre school at 12 so we didnt want him to feel left out.  6am comes and Ivy wakes to the news her baby brother is coming today which she is ecstatic about.

          6.15am and the first midwife comes to check Petra over but feels its very early stages so says she will go and someone will be back later on.

          Petra had done her own birth plan based upon her knowing what she wanted out of this birth (all being well) and this was it.  It's pretty full on but as I say she wanted to be in control!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_15.jpeg)

          At 8am the midwife is long gone and Petra goes for a bath whilst I get the kids ready for school and have breakfast before we go on our walk to both school and preschool being careful not to mention it to the mum's on the way as they will message Petra and she wants to relax so when I get back from the school run at 9.15 we just sit around together having a drink till 11.30 just chatting about general life and business with some relaxation music on in the background and I reply to some work emails ensuring that she gets anything she needs with the occasional massage as her contractions are now coming every 6-8 minutes lasting 45 seconds at a time.

          Here she is completely chilled in our lounge
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_17.jpeg)
          Even Bentley played his part ;)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_14.jpeg)

          11.50 comes and its the short walk to get Ivy from her school and Petra goes for a sleep and when she wakes at 1.15 we all have lunch together and as Friday was a great day with sun and a temperature in Essex of around 20 degrees we flit between the garden and house and as the contractions are increasing in intensity all the time Petra decides to call the photographer and we do a couple of quiz's together before Ivy and me walk to get Max from his school and we go home.

          At 3.50pm a midwife reappears and this time Lorraine has a student midwife in tow but again doesnt thing Petra is in established labour and just sits with us for a bit using the doppler to check on the heartbeat of the baby
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7cUvfAV4Mg
          We need to keep the kids in their routine as much as possible so they have dinner with me at 5.15pm but as were finishing Petra's contractions are now closer together and stronger and the only examination she had showed her to be 8cm dilated so the second midwife is called and everyone decamps to the lounge with Max and Ivy sat playing their Ipads whilst Petra goes through the decibels.

          The knock at the door at 6pm brought our own midwife Terri who had finished her shift and as she lives in our road popped in and the proper 2nd midwife who again had a student midwife with her so including Petra and myself there are now 10 people in this room for the birth which came pretty quickly as only 36 minutes later at 6.36pm our beautiful baby boy Quinn is born weighing in at a rather large 9lb 3oz and a full 2lb heavier than either of the other two and Petra had him skin to skin straight away.

          Here he is meeting the kids 2 minutes later (crap quality photo of mine but will post more when we have approved the photographers ones) and a few minutes after this was taken Max took the responsibility for cutting the cord to his little brother which was incredible to watch and something that will live with him and bond him to his brother forever!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_13.jpeg)

          With me
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_12.jpeg)

          5am Saturday morning when he finally learnt how to sleep
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_10.jpeg)

          His first bath last night
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_7.jpeg)

          Today
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_6.jpeg)

          Petra did an amazing job and got everything she wanted out of this birth and was completely positive the whole time and made it an unbelievable experience for everyone concerned with the midwifes even writing to us thanking us for being part of it.

          I will post Angie's slideshow when it is put together as although it may be graphic in part it truly captures the moments that most people will never remember.

          Now I could really do with a deep deep run at this weeks WPT as I need to purchase some nappies!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Boba Fett on May 18, 2016, 11:52:43 PM
          Congrats Rich!

          #5 on that list is a common request from my gf!

          Was the birth of Max more of a "standard" thing with just going to the hospital when Petra went into labour and the procedure for this one developed since you have experience of the situation?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on May 19, 2016, 03:41:31 AM
          Congrats son.  Only a degen like you could be going to DTD to play a monkey donkfest after a week like you have had !!  All the best.  Hope you get the nappies at dtd.  You are golden you will probably get the school fees for Eton at the same time!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 19, 2016, 09:15:59 AM
          Congrats Rich!

          #5on that list is a common request from my gf

          Was the birth of Max more of a "standard" thing with just going to the hospital when Petra went into labour and the procedure for this one developed since you have experience of the situation?
          Only for you son 😂😂😂😂
          So many other tap ins were available

          With the other two they were also born at home and the only time we went to the hospital is the standard newborn checks they do a couple of days later or if you have any difficulties.  It is proven that the mums are more relaxed with a home birth as they are in their own environment, tear less and in our opinion you get more concentrated care as they are sat in your home not floating off to other patients etc.

          Something your not telling us Fett?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 19, 2016, 09:17:41 AM
          Congrats son.  Only a degen like you could be going to DTD to play a monkey donkfest after a week like you have had !!  All the best.  Hope you get the nappies at dtd.  You are golden you will probably get the school fees for Eton at the same time!
          Cheers Arb, stranger things have happened and you read about these golfers winning a week after their other halves have given birth as they are relaxed and in a good place so let's hope.....


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on May 19, 2016, 09:30:09 AM

          Congrats Rich pleased everyones well

          My son opens a shop in Hatton Garden this weekend

          Got fed up hearing about run ins with the builders and designer, good luck sorting them

          Thank f*k i live in the sticks, 8 mile round trip for newspaper and pint of milk


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Boba Fett on May 19, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
          Congrats Rich!

          #5on that list is a common request from my gf

          Was the birth of Max more of a "standard" thing with just going to the hospital when Petra went into labour and the procedure for this one developed since you have experience of the situation?
          Only for you son 😂😂😂😂
          So many other tap ins were available

          With the other two they were also born at home and the only time we went to the hospital is the standard newborn checks they do a couple of days later or if you have any difficulties.  It is proven that the mums are more relaxed with a home birth as they are in their own environment, tear less and in our opinion you get more concentrated care as they are sat in your home not floating off to other patients etc.

          Something your not telling us Fett?
          Not yet, see #5


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on May 19, 2016, 04:05:32 PM
          Congratulations mate, I feel nervous just at the thought of it all. The birth sheet scares me a touch too I must say. Hope everyone is happy and healthy


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: arbboy on May 19, 2016, 04:10:27 PM
          Congrats son.  Only a degen like you could be going to DTD to play a monkey donkfest after a week like you have had !!  All the best.  Hope you get the nappies at dtd.  You are golden you will probably get the school fees for Eton at the same time!
          Cheers Arb, stranger things have happened and you read about these golfers winning a week after their other halves have given birth as they are relaxed and in a good place so let's hope.....

          Nappy factor it is called in the trade.  Much bigger effect when you have a boy, especially the first son.  Natural instinct is to want to provide for your son.  Gl son.  Golden fish like you don't need the nappy factor.  You are odds on to cash with betwilson.com.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 19, 2016, 04:51:00 PM

          Congrats Rich pleased everyones well

          My son opens a shop in Hatton Garden this weekend

          Got fed up hearing about run ins with the builders and designer, good luck sorting them

          Thank f*k i live in the sticks, 8 mile round trip for newspaper and pint of milk
          Thanks Trevor

          Whats his shop going to be in Hatton Garden? Jewellery?

          Luckily the designer and builder are both invested in the business in equity (subject to a few formalities) and they are both people who I know and trust, have met each other and we make a pretty good team so fingers crossed it's a smooth process.

          I hope to see you over the weekend and when I get to your age  ;tk; I hope to live in the sticks with a mile long drive too.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 19, 2016, 04:52:14 PM
          Congratulations mate, I feel nervous just at the thought of it all. The birth sheet scares me a touch too I must say. Hope everyone is happy and healthy
          Cheers Adam, I am sure you will take to it like a duck to water mate as always seem pretty relaxed about stuff.

          They are all doing really well thanks bud.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on May 19, 2016, 04:57:36 PM
          For those interested here is the photographers take on our birth story.

          Was shared on FB today but if you dont have me here it is

          http://www.heartsandflowersphotography.co.uk/birth-story/


          This is a birth slideshow though so expect some actual birthing and some nudity (not me obv) and for me the moments where Ivy hugs Petra, The kids see Quinn for thr first time and Max cutting the cord are magical moments.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: flushthemout on May 19, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
          Thanks for sharing Rich  Ahrt Kh


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 11, 2016, 07:09:02 PM
          Loads to update on and been absolutely manic busy on the set up of our new venture and I am pleased to say that on Friday we finally completed on the premises in Chelmsford High St and the landlord kindly gave us permission to start work on Weds as the delays were on his side so we are now well underway with the 5 week build process.

          I will post more about this in the next few days as the past 3 weeks in which 2 chance meetings led to some external investment that has enabled this project to get off the ground with a really good team of people from a diversity of fields as I will post about in the coming days.

          Part of my research was visiting a company this week in Glasgow which turned out to be a great meeting as the owner who I didnt know was going to be there gave me 90 mins of his time and showed me around his operation plus I got chance to tie up with this guy
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_21.jpeg)

          As you will see Vinny doesnt really do salad, except in his nando's but by midday he had had 2 juices and by the time I flew back down south later that evening I had subjected his body to a further juice and superfood salad with a bit of rawnola.  Apparently by midnight he was a few pounds lighter!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_22.jpeg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_23.jpeg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on June 11, 2016, 09:40:39 PM
          Haha, incred scenes :D

          Best of luck with the new venture, it sounds like it's kicking along nicely.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 12, 2016, 10:13:55 PM
          Haha, incred scenes :D

          Best of luck with the new venture, it sounds like it's kicking along nicely.
          Cheers Marky

          Well after my post about the council delaying the change of use decision I realised I was going into this project underfunded as all the various quotes came in so at that point there was myself and my designer who held 10% and then I was waiting for a final build quote to come in which between myself and the builder who refits coffee shops, kitchens and cafe we came to an equity arrangement in exchange for the build cost coming down it would still have left us on a bit of a shoestring budget until...

          I managed to get a pass out to play the WPT and had arranged to meet Ryan Spittles for a pre comp Nando's before we played day1 and despite me travelling further with Ryan in bed 1 mile away at the hotel he was late and when I walked in I looked around and saw Wattsy and Chris Sly sat on a table of four so joined them and we started chatting as I waited for Ryan.

          Chris told me that him and Trickett were in the process of looking for a venue to open up a juice bar and I couldnt believe it and being the helpful guy I am said what I had been upto over the past 6 months and I would gladly share my contacts with him and would email him on Saturday when back home and once I had finished day 1 I went to get his email addy from the high stakes room and was introduced to Sam and we chatted for a short while.

          I emailed them the next day the plan with contents and really didnt expect anything further until I got a text from them to say they were in and wanted to shelve their plans and buy into this and inquired how much equity was free and after a few days where we met up on site I am please to say that they are now 28% shareholders in the company and whilst I know for them this is just a financial transaction with me unlikely to see them behind the counter ever they bring a lot of other stuff to the table.

          I actually thought that was it until the day before I signed the lease I was walking from the solicitors and bumped into a really successful guy who has a recruitment company with over 50 staff working for him who I last saw 3 months earlier when he asked what I was up to and he said he would have loved to BAP but due to personal circumstances couldnt at that time.

          3 months on and I told him the lease was signed and I had just tied up the last bit of equity in the company and he wanted in, to which I said there was no room but he badgered me and he actually brings a massive amount to the table in terms of ideas, contacts etc so it was a no brainer to open up a piece and within 48 hours I had seen what he will bring and how we will work together on what should now be a really fun journey with a lot of hard work but an amazing team to take this brand forwards hopefully which is

          Me
          Dwight the designer & architect etc
          Mark on building refits etc
          Chris and Sam  social media and contacts/ideas etc and intros into the poker/sporting world
          Matthew on the business and contacts side

          This also meant we start off the project on a better financial footing with over £200k raised and then on Friday we finally completed on this beautiful building at 1 High St, Chelmsford under a 9 year lease with a number of break clauses in our favor starting at year 2
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg)

          which looked like this a couple of weeks ago
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_18.jpeg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_20.jpeg)

          And on Thursday looked like this with the builders already under way just doing the ground work and a bit of dry lining etc before the major works start this week on a 4-5 week build before a couple of weeks staff training and a launch sometime towards the 3rd week of July give or take a week.
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_24.jpeg)

          I will post updates on here as we grow through the build process but if you have not yet liked us on FB then please click here https://www.facebook.com/JuiceKitchenChelmsford/ and give us a thumbs up as every little helps, no matter where you may be in the world.


          On the family front we had the birth photographer come back and do a few family photos whilst Petra's folks have been staying with us from Slovakia for the past 3 weeks and if you click on the link you will see the best of them which shows the new svelte me and my incredible family
          http://heartsandflowersphotography.co.uk/blacklocks-family-shoot/


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: PokerBroker on June 14, 2016, 08:19:57 AM
          Good luck with this venture mate, I', a juice fan.  I bought one almost every day from Juice Garden in Glasgow when they had a pop up in the city centre.  That was a good idea I felt but it didn't motivate me to go and to their shop in the west of the city. 

          I did by a juicer but that went south when I realised how much mess was nvolved. 


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 14, 2016, 08:27:15 AM
          Good luck with this venture mate, I', a juice fan.  I bought one almost every day from Juice Garden in Glasgow when they had a pop up in the city centre.  That was a good idea I felt but it didn't motivate me to go and to their shop in the west of the city. 

          I did by a juicer but that went south when I realised how much mess was nvolved. 
          Thanks mate.

          I spoke to Manny (the owner) about that pop up and he said it was designed as another thing to put their brand out there locally but unfortunately the weather was atrocious for that period they had it.

          I think most people have a juicer in a cupboard somewhere gathering dust 😉


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on June 17, 2016, 06:53:43 AM

          Nice to hear things coming along nicely

          People that have a go deserve applause, most folk haven't got the balls to do it

          Hope you get the lot bud


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 17, 2016, 09:06:55 AM

          Nice to hear things coming along nicely

          People that have a go deserve applause, most folk haven't got the balls to do it

          Hope you get the lot bud

          Cheers Trevor

          At various points over the past 6 months I could have got it massively wrong with who I was investing with but the current team are by far the strongest to hopefully take this forward and whilst it's me with the most on the line you've got to have a go haven't you 😉

          Whatever happens it won't break me and if we get it right which hopefully we will then the upside is really big.

          Thanks for the GL my friend.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Lucky on June 17, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
          Another big plus one for the admiration and best wishes from me too Richard.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on June 17, 2016, 05:04:24 PM
          Impressive stuff, and I hope it crushes!

          I've got a juicer in the cupboard, and it has been there since xmas when the new kitchen started being built.

          Got a nutribullet somewhere, which I'll find at some point, and replace the Kenwood thing I use for my protein shakes.

          This time next year ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: rfgqqabc on June 24, 2016, 08:35:17 PM
          I hope you need an intern some day.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 24, 2016, 10:29:46 PM
          I hope you need an intern some day.
          You offering mate ;)

          Impressive stuff, and I hope it crushes!

          I've got a juicer in the cupboard, and it has been there since xmas when the new kitchen started being built.

          Got a nutribullet somewhere, which I'll find at some point, and replace the Kenwood thing I use for my protein shakes.

          This time next year ;)
          Another big plus one for the admiration and best wishes from me too Richard.
          ^^ Thanks Alan and Mark :)

          We are currently flat out and for those not seeing our progress on FB I have been keeping it about a week behind where we currently are so this was our first day on site about 10 days ago as they prepared the walls to create the kitchen area
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_24.jpeg)

          This was the 15th June and a little walk through taking you from the back where we are creating two customer toilets and then into our proposed kitchen are and finally into the front of house area
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMcsuxIC2is

          Then this was today just showing the front of house area
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfj0tIm8JVg

          They hope to hand over to us on the 8th July and then we have 2 weeks of staff training before we hope to open....



          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on June 24, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
          A pretty sexy bit of kit was delivered today with this arriving

          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/Norwalk.jpg)

          It's a Norwalk Cold Press Juicer that uses a hydraulic press to give you the best quality juice you can ever have!

          Cant wait to try it ;)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on August 03, 2016, 09:14:40 AM

          Hows it going Rich?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 05, 2016, 05:15:37 AM

          Hows it going Rich?
          Hi Trevor, we actually open in 3 hours time and I've just got in from setting up having got there today at 6am 😒 

          I will post a few vids in the next 24 hours of how the finished article is.

          Thanks for asking though.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Tractor on August 05, 2016, 08:12:35 AM
          Good luck! Look forward too seeing the finished results.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: booder on August 05, 2016, 10:27:24 AM
          Good luck


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 05, 2016, 10:31:48 AM
          Best of luck Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: redsimon on August 05, 2016, 10:50:24 AM
          Best of luck Rich.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Dewi_cool on August 05, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
          Pob Lwc


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: bookiebasher on August 05, 2016, 11:47:55 AM
          Good luck! Look forward too seeing the finished results.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: DMorgan on August 05, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
          gl Rich, hope you smash it


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: the sicilian on August 05, 2016, 02:47:34 PM
          Best of luck mate !


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: RedFox on August 05, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
          Hope the opening goes juicilicious  :D


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 05, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
          Hope today goes well, Rich!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: shipitgood on August 06, 2016, 04:17:47 PM
          Outstanding, all the best with the new bis!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: typhoon13 on August 12, 2016, 08:53:44 AM

          Nice slow roll on the vids

          I know you must be busy but we want to see the place buzzzzzzzzzing please


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Eso Kral on August 14, 2016, 10:34:38 PM

          Nice slow roll on the vids

          I know you must be busy but we want to see the place buzzzzzzzzzing please

          Sorry for the delay Trevor but literally the feet have not touched the ground for a few days but that should change going forward this week.

          So back in January this is how the premises I viewed looked
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_142.jpg)
          With inside being like so
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EqopQbtCqY

          And on our opening day this is what we have created
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_37.jpeg)

          With a quick walk through the front of house
          YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de0dP02DaQE

          1 minute after opening we had our very first Juice Kitchen customers
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_36.jpeg)

          We have a pretty agressive opening offer with a free tea/coffee with every breakfast purchase and a free juice or smoothie with every lunch purchase to really launch ourselves to the City and if anyone has followed us on FB you will see that we have quite an attractive range of food and drink on offer which changes as we feel like, as we are independant and can change to suit.

          Despite offering a healthy discount we took in the region of £6k in week one and are on course to beat that in week 2 and have received great feedback and reviews from all quarters so far and with my head chef and fornt of house manager away on annual leave (an unexpected hazard of recruiting for a fresh start with a launch that gets delayed) for a week now the team have really slotted well into the City.

          I have had 2 Gym chains request meetings to set up discounts for 6500 members in total and a variety of local employers get in touch asking for schemes to be set up for their employees and part of the next few weeks is going out to these companies and presenting to them the benefits of them offering a small subsidy to their staff to eat with us as there is evidence that if their staff eat better at lunchtime they will be more productive in the afternoon so if we can then discount it slightly to the employee it's win win for all and we just invoice the company at the end of the month.

          We have served between 140-190 people per day so far and are learning every day about the business and all the processes we wish to set up and whilst having to "work in the business" at the moment, pretty soon I will be able to "work on it" which is when the team of investors and staff really get the best out of me.

          Talking about me! As I have been really looking after myself in terms of eating and training for those that have not read the Blonde will get you Strong thread, I have got myself into pretty good shape over the past few months and certainly in the best shape I have been in for a few years from the paunchy photo shown late last year to this by training 3/4 times per week and eating well!
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_31.jpeg)

          Family life is good and despite not being able to be back home at a respectable time in the 3 weeks upto launching and leaving early giving time to train before work we have done really well as a family unit with Petra being the standard trooper that she is and timing wise a visit for her and the kids to Slovakia where they flew a week ago and are away for another 2 weeks has worked out well so that I dont have to feel guilty about not being around to help out whilst we get through this initial launch period.

          Here they are recently
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_38.jpeg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_39.jpeg)
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_35.jpeg)

          I have had conversations recently with people who said how nice it was that I wasnt talking about punting etc and as I have not earnt any money whilst getting this business off the ground and with Petra being pregnant at the start of the year and not bringing much in from her photography I really battened down the hatches and hardly had a bet at all but with the footie season starting I thought it was time to bet like a pro mug punter (in before) and as I cant bet in chunks in any way shape or form I have to shoot for the stars.

          Needless to say I didnt expect to be collecting this from Paddy Power this week ;)   
          (http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/esokral/Mobile%20Uploads/image_33.jpeg)

          The text convo with Dubai read as follows
          "Oioi" (text accompanied by photo)

          replies
          Ha!

          Not only you need 4 teams to win

          Need 8 teams to score

          and 4 less than the other 4!!


          Me - This is a bet I have done 25-30 times lifetime and got it up for chunks twice

          Dubai - run above the curve at life mate


          Hope everyone reading here is all good and I will post when I can about how we are doing etc but if you are on FB or Instagram and havent followed us yet please do as it's easier to see what I am up to there.  You can find me on FB @juicekitchenchelmsford and Instagram the same.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: vegaslover on August 15, 2016, 04:03:31 AM
          Nice update Rich, though I did see the opening day pics and vid on FB.
          Amazing how time flies once Kids come along. Seems only recently that you were posting about Max and now you got three of them growing up so fast.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: KarmaDope on August 15, 2016, 05:39:41 PM
          Sick that you landed that acca mate, n1!

          GL with the biz, hope it all goes well for you.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on August 15, 2016, 05:47:53 PM
          It's an Esolife :D

          Congrats on everything going so well, and long may it continue!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on August 15, 2016, 11:07:44 PM
          The kids look fantastic, it's amazing how fast they grow up.

          Glad to hear that everything is going well and you are now fully funded for golf.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on October 11, 2016, 05:18:00 PM
          Hoping that no news is good news but would love an update.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: celtic on November 13, 2016, 02:30:32 AM
          I Had the pleasure of going to juice kitchen a few weeks back. They really have done a nice job with the shop. The staff were really friendly, no one seemed to mind Archie running riot for most of his stay. And the food was very reasonably priced. Not that I paid of course, but I could what I woulda paid on the the receipt 😁 I had a Thai green curry and some other stuff.  Would defo recommend if you're ever down that way.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: verndog158 on November 13, 2016, 02:41:32 AM
          I Had the pleasure of going to juice kitchen a few weeks back. They really have done a nice job with the shop. The staff were really friendly, no one seemed to mind Archie running riot for most of his stay. And the food was very reasonably priced. Not that I paid of course, but I could what I woulda paid on the the receipt 😁 I had a Thai green curry and some other stuff.  Would defo recommend if you're ever down that way.

          Did they deliver Your Nando's to the shop too?
          Am with Celtic, had a very nice smoothly on my visit, one grumble was the lack of young fit waitresses though. Am sure Eso has this under control though!!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: StuartHopkin on January 05, 2017, 01:25:25 PM
          Hoping that no news is good news but would love an update.

          Happy New Year Rich!

          Any updates on juice or huge football bet binks?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Omm on March 30, 2017, 08:15:41 AM
          Hi Rich,

          Just woke up and come down stairs, wife is watching TOWIE and see that your place is part of the show. Bet you are thrilled with the exposure, can I ask, did you approach them and have you had to pay to be involved or does it work in reverse? No problem if you would rather not answer.

          Well done by the way, obviously working hard , hope you are reaping the rewards. Are you looking to replicate in other cities yet?


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: TightEnd on September 01, 2017, 01:43:03 PM
          a sighting yesterday

          (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4399/36805878491_03e3bd36e0_z.jpg)


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on September 01, 2017, 01:48:52 PM
          Impressive beardage!


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Karabiner on September 01, 2017, 03:15:49 PM
          Impressive beardage!

          Although a fair bit greyer than the one I remember - but that was before we played golf.


          Title: Re: "The Downswings of Property and Poker"
          Post by: Marky147 on September 02, 2017, 01:59:29 PM
          Impressive beardage!

          Although a fair bit greyer than the one I remember - but that was before we played golf.

          Definitely very Amos like in colour :D